Editorchat’s Blog

We all know that fair pay is an issue for writers and money (or lack thereof) is an issue for publishers. Just this week in Crain’s New York we learned that $35K is the new black, errr $75K for author advances. Is this really the right move? Advertising, R&D and other business-building investments tend to pay off during a recession, reports The New Yorker‘s James Surowiecki. Are cost-conscious publishers blowing it by not investing now?

Perhaps the answer isn’t to invest more but to invest smarter. We’re seeing clever publishers return to the days of Dickens with serial books and e-books. We’ve seen TwitPay and TipJoy emerge as models for micropayments via Twitter. These and more have the potential to lead a radical revolution in pay models. What are you trying? Specifically, we are wondering:

• Writers: are publishers plying you with new pay ideas? What’s the craziest pay model you’ve tried?
• Editors: are you being asked to explore new and different pay models?
• What models are working? Which aren’t? What are the roadblocks to success?

[20:31:05] LydiaBreakfast: Good Evening tweeps and welcome to the 5/20 edition of our chat. Please introduce yourself and tell us what you do. #editorchat

[20:31:05] milehighfool: And we’re live. Please introduce yourself when you join. #editorchat

[20:31:09] GLHancock: @milehighfool Thanks. How are you tonight? This week? #editorchat

[20:31:49] jennipps: @milehighfool Hey, Tim! Good to see you. BTW…to you & @LydiaBreakfast…just turned in an article to a newsletter featuring #editorchat

[20:31:56] JaneFriedman: Hi everyone – Jane Friedman, Publisher/Editorial Director of Writer’s Digest (F+W Media) #editorchat

[20:32:12] milehighfool: @GLHancock Super busy. Not regretting the blogathon but, wow, it’s tough to add that to my regular writing schedule. You? #editorchat

[20:32:41] jennipps: Hi, all! Jen, fl writer in south Oklahoma writing about health, writing, creativity, plus-size issues, & everything in between. #editorchat

[20:32:42] JMegonigal: Jordana Megonigal, editor in chief for Upstate S.C. business publication (and soon others?) And I’m a GEN-X #editorchat

[20:32:56] ptsaldari: Hello from p.tsaldari #editorchat

[20:33:00] milehighfool: @jennipps Wow. I’m truly flattered, Jen. Thanks for thinking of us. #editorchat

[20:33:06] shortformernie: Howdy! Ernie Smith, Editor of super-awesome tightly edited news site ShortFormBlog: http://shortformblog.com/ #editorchat

[20:33:09] GLHancock: @milehighfool What blogathon or do you mean here and now? #editorchat

[20:33:11] booksandcorsets: Hi all, I’m an editor w/Sterling Publishing, working on branded books and the Hearst magazine lines #editorchat

[20:33:15] LydiaBreakfast: I am your co-host Lydia Dishman, freelance features writer covering business, food, travel and style for a pile o’ mags #editorchat

[20:33:16] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Hey! Checking in from Iow-ay, Land of Windy. #editorchat

[20:33:27] milehighfool: @JaneFriedman Glad you could make it, Jane. #editorchat

[20:33:44] jennipps: @milehighfool But of course! After it’s in print, I have OK from the editor to post it online. I’ll let you know when it’s up #editorchat

[20:33:44] shortformernie: But when I’m at work, I totally work at The Washington Post’s Express as a designer and visual editor duder. #editorchat

[20:33:47] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Hey Yay! #editorchat

[20:34:06] LydiaBreakfast: @booksandcorsets Fabulous thanks for coming! #editorchat

[20:34:07] dan_miranda: Hello everyone tweeting from a new account to make sure I don’t disturb anyone. You may know me as @timecommander #editorchat

[20:34:38] milehighfool: Your other co-host here. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, blogging at Quicken.com, writing daily. #editorchat

[20:34:40] GLHancock: Georganna, writer/editor/websites for writers; published since 1964; Luddite in electronic clothing. (not really the last one) #editorchat

[20:34:48] hinder: Hi. All. Katie HInderer – editor for teen mag, hip hop mag, and commercial real estate publication. Freelance writer too. #editorchat

[20:35:18] JenniferPerillo: Hi All. Jennifer Perillo, consulting food editor at Working Mother & freelance food writer/recipe developer. #editorchat

[20:35:23] PDXsays: lurking:at .@AboutUs hosting NTEN PDXTech Club: Online Story Telling by Roger Burks, Sr Writer, Mercy Corps. #Editorchat

[20:35:34] marciamarcia: Freelance writer w/ FastCo+, educator, editor, learner, mom, SoMe enthusiast. Thrilled to have a short break to join in on #editorchat

[20:35:35] merylkevans: Content Maven from Plano, TX who writes, edits and plays with words plus a little gamin’ and PR’in. #editorchat

[20:35:37] shortformernie: @dan_miranda Howdy, dude. #editorchat

[20:35:57] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo Yippee you made it! Now pass out those yummie bytes #editorchat

[20:36:03] JenniferPerillo: I’m doing #editorchat tonight, so pls filter if you like for the next hour.

[20:36:09] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia Hello Marcia thanks for coming #editorchat

[20:36:14] sooutdoors: #editorchat Lloyd here from Southern Ontario Outdoors. Writer, author, journalist.

[20:36:28] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans Hello Miss Meryl #editorchat

[20:36:44] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Lloyd, so glad you made it – I know the time is a crunch for you #editorchat

[20:37:00] milehighfool: @marciamarcia @merylkevans @JenniferPerillo Welcome, all. #editorchat

[20:37:15] milehighfool: @sooutdoors Hey, you made it. Sorry about the time crunch. #editorchat

[20:37:41] SpecialDee: #editorchat Special Sections editor @sunjournal, Maine, also Arts & Humanities student @usmlac

[20:37:52] milehighfool: @JaySlacks Glad you could make it, Jarvis. #editorchat

[20:38:02] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:11] JaySlacks: @LydiaBreakfast Jarvis Slacks, writing and adjunct english teacher and I forgot this part: #editorchat

[20:38:13] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Hello Special Dee #editorchat

[20:38:16] ellmcgirt: Heyo! Ellen McGirt, senior writer, Fast Company magazine, coming to hang awhile! I write feature stories, mostly. #editorchat

[20:38:18] JMegonigal: Hey all friends – for 1.5 hrs, filter me, filter me, filter me! (Unless you want to talk journalism!) #editorchat

[20:38:51] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Well thanks for the warm welcome. Doing the dinner dishes during #editorchat.

[20:38:57] LydiaBreakfast: @JaySlacks Brilliant, thanks for joining and lending us your perspective #editorchat

[20:39:03] milehighfool: @ellmcgirt Hi Ellen. Wow. Your first editorchat, I think. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:39:14] JMegonigal: @ellmcgirt YAY Ellen! Welcome! #editorchat

[20:39:17] LydiaBreakfast: @ellmcgirt Hooray No #utb jokes I’ll be good #editorchat

[20:39:18] SpecialDee: @merylkevans #editorchat I love the “play with words” it’s so functional.

[20:39:34] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Glad you could make it, Jordana. #editorchat

[20:40:04] LydiaBreakfast: So let me just remind everyone that editorchat is for writers and editors, anyone else is welcome to lurk #editorchat

[20:40:10] merylkevans: Another warning… entering a second tweetchat… so you may want to slam www.twittersnooze.com on me. #editorchat

[20:40:13] milehighfool: @sooutdoors Don’t we all? #editorchat

[20:40:33] milehighfool: Rules coming next. #editorchat

[20:40:37] ellmcgirt: This is my maiden voyage yes! I’m back and forth with my actual editor, so I’ll be off and on a bit. But am so happy to make it. #editorchat

[20:40:47] SpecialDee: @GLHancock #editorchat I am just learning about Luddites and Neo-Luddites in my Science, Technology & Society class.

[20:40:47] JMegonigal: @milehighfool Wouldn’t miss this one for the world!! #editorchat

[20:41:16] GLHancock: #editorchat

[20:41:21] milehighfool: Rule No. 1 Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:41:42] milehighfool: Rule No. 2 Stay on topic. #editorchat

[20:41:59] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat

[20:42:00] PDXsays: conceptor | writer | editoir in PDX. work with Brick | mortar biz to come to SoME. and strat up book authors | blog “journalists #Editorchat

[20:42:17] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:42:19] SpecialDee: Little tip for newbies: If you’re using TweetDeck you can follow this conversation in a separate column by doing a search for #editorchat

[20:42:37] milehighfool: Rule no. 5: Refer to the question number when commenting. Q1, Q2, etc. #editorchat

[20:43:07] dawndsokol: I’m a book designer and author…I’m just going to lurk. Hope that’s OK. #editorchat

[20:43:52] milehighfool: @dawndsokol Of course it is. Whatever suits you. Chime in anytime. We try to post transcirpts within a day or two. #editorchat

[20:44:01] LydiaBreakfast: For those of you who didn’t read the post on the topic, we will be discussing the generation gap and its effect on publishing. #editorchat

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Last week we took a leap across the Content Divide and discussed how best to deal with widening gap between working with fewer resources and staff and the demand for more and different kinds of content: multi-media, links, photos, etc. As vibrant as that conversation was, we’re struck by how few success stories there are to share.

Could this have anything to do with the social landscape of media? More specifically, we’re wondering if the gap is widening because of the philosophical differences between the old guard and the new school.  Interesting pieces on the generation gap in publishing can be found in Time Magazine, “When Gen X Rules the Workplace” and in Poynter Online where Kelly McBride tells Maureen Dowd to get with the (new) program in “Dowd Could Learn from the ‘Retweet’ Ethic, Giving Credit Where it’s Due.”

Let’s talk about the Generation Gap:

Do you see a cultural shift occurring as social media levels the playing field between old and new forms of thought?

Is the old business model based on ad revenue and subscriptions so ingrained in the collective mindset of veterans that there is no room for creating a fresh (read: sustainable and profitable approach)?

Editors: How do you view other publications?  Are they competition for ad dollars and content? Why or why not?

Writers: How do you handle exclusive content?  Is it important to you to be first with a story, or will you be satisfied with telling the best story?

You may also enjoy Newsweek’s piece “Can Anything Save Magazines?” which argues for a return of the premium model in publishing.

If you have any other thoughts or questions, do drop us a line in the comment box.  See you all on Wednesday night, 8:30pm EST.

[20:31:35] LydiaBreakfast: And we are live tweeps, welcome to the May 13th edition of our fine chat, where we will discuss “The Content Divide” #editorchat

[20:31:58] LydiaBreakfast: Please introduce yourselves and tell us what you do #editorchat

[20:32:57] SpecialDee: Looking forward to it: RT @LydiaBreakfast: discuss “The Content Divide” #editorchat

[20:33:11] JDEbberly: Hello everyone. I’m JD Ebberly and I write pieces on blogging and new media. I love this chat !! #Editorchat

[20:33:12] jennipps: Hi, everyone! Jen, fl writer from south Oklahoma. Write for TutorialBlog, OWFI Report, WritingforDollars, etc. #editorchat

[20:33:14] JMegonigal: Jordana Megonigal, editor of Business mag in Upstate S.C. and local publishing co. #editorchat

[20:33:23] SpecialDee: Special Sections editor in Maine #editorchat

[20:33:33] LydiaBreakfast: hello to already assembled chatters @shortformernie @beckydmbr @jennipps @katpowers @travelswithjenn @specialdee #editorchat

[20:33:37] KatPowers: Editor, Boston area #editorchat

[20:34:06] wordful: Aloha, I’m Charles Bohannan of Wordful from Hawaii. I’m an editor, writer and blogger, small business owner. #editorchat

[20:34:12] deegospel: Hi, I’m Dee Stewart. Contributing Editor for various Christian Entertainment publications. Blogger, PR, former journ #editorchat

[20:34:26] LydiaBreakfast: @JDebberly and @jmegonigal welcome #editorchat

[20:34:33] LydiaBreakfast: @deegospel Hi Dee #editorchat

[20:34:43] LydiaBreakfast: @wordful Aloha friend #editorchat

[20:35:06] milehighfool: Made it. Sorry I’m late, editorchatters. #editorchat

[20:35:08] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Like your new photo #editorchat

[20:35:19] travelswithjenn: Jennifer Netherby, freelance writer from Portland, Or. I write about entertainment and technology #editorchat

[20:35:22] hinder: Hey. I’m Katie a freelance writer/editor for a number of pubs and websites. Based in the Midwest now. #editorchat

[20:35:25] milehighfool: Glad everyone could make it. #editorchat

[20:35:31] shortformernie: What’s up yo? Ernie Smith, designer at Wash. Post Express, editor of ShortFormBlog (http://shortformblog.com/) And I wear hats! #editorchat

[20:35:34] retheauditors: Francine McKenna in Chicago, Author and Editor of http://retheauditors a blog focused on the business of the Big 4 audit firms #editorchat

[20:35:46] AndyBumatai: RT @Wordful: Aloha, I’m Charles Bohannan of Wordful from Hawaii. I’m an editor, writer and blogger, small business owner. #editorchat

[20:35:47] LydiaBreakfast: @hinder Hi Katie! #editorchat

[20:35:49] thewritermama: Hi, my name is Christina Katz, I’m an author, speaker, writing instructor and the pub/ed of three e-zines. (waving) #editorchat

[20:35:50] JaneFriedman: Hi everyone – Publisher/Editorial Director of Writer’s Digest at F+W Media #editorchat

[20:35:52] KBordessa: Kris Bordessa, family, fun and travel writer for nationals as well as author of several books. Will try to keep up! #editorchat

[20:35:57] LydiaBreakfast: @retheauditors So glad you came! #editorchat

[20:36:02] ErikSherman: I’m Erik Sherman, freelance print journalist, blogger at BNET, editor, book author, photographer #editorchat

[20:36:04] milehighfool: Keep introducing yourselves as you join. I’ll get us going with the rules. #editorchat

[20:36:13] Single_Shot: Hey folks. Diane Mapes, your friendly neighborhood freelance writer from Seattle, covering health, lifestyle & the singles beat #editorchat

[20:36:19] LydiaBreakfast: @JaneFriedman Hi Jane – thanks so much for joining us #editorchat

[20:36:30] merylkevans: Typing from windy Plano, Texas, where I do everything words — write, edit, research and play. #editorchat

[20:36:35] LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot Yay! #editorchat

[20:36:42] milehighfool: Jabe, Christina, Francine, Erik — welcome. #editorchat

[20:36:51] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Welcome, please pass the potstickers #editorchat

[20:37:01] TamarahLand: Hello all, TL here. I am a freelance writer and blogger #editorchat

[20:37:07] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans Hello Texas Meryl #editorchat

[20:37:12] jennipps: @merylkevans Meryl, I didn’t realize you’re in Plano. We’re practically neighbors. lol. I’m in Ada, OK. About 3-ish hours away. #editorchat

[20:37:15] milehighfool: Jabe? Ugh. *Jane*. Sticky fingers — sorry about that. #editorchat

[20:37:15] littlebrownpen: Hi all. Nichole Robertson, freelance writer currently working on a few travel and Paris lifestyle pieces #editorchat

[20:37:22] LydiaBreakfast: @KBordessa Kris, thanks for coming #editorchat

[20:37:38] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast Thanx — will try to earn that “yay!” ; ) #editorchat

[20:37:42] LydiaBreakfast: @TamarahLand TL thanks for coming tonight #editorchat

[20:38:00] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Hiya Nichole #editorchat

[20:38:02] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:03] KBordessa: @LydiaBreakfast I often pop in to watch, but keeping up at dinner time is hard! #editorchat

[20:38:27] merylkevans: @jennipps Howdy there, neighbor! Excuse me while I go into a silent rendition of Oklahoma! I can’t help it! #editorchat

[20:38:27] milehighfool: Rule No. 1 Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:38:31] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast Hi! Really looking forward to tonight’s #editorchat #editorchat

[20:38:38] LydiaBreakfast: @KBordessa in and out is fine too, just glad you are here #editorchat

[20:38:55] milehighfool: Rule No. 2 Stay on topic. #editorchat

[20:39:01] jennipps: @merylkevans lol. Heck, sometimes even I do it. Though often not-so-silent. #editorchat

[20:39:25] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat

[20:39:57] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:39:58] deegospel: Hi, Twuddies. For the next 1/2 hour I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.

[20:40:16] merylkevans: @jennipps Well, I’m tone deaf. Actually, completely deaf. So I’d only embarrass myself and make everyone mad in my household. #editorchat

[20:40:27] jennipps: @milehighfool I know I’m weird, but this is my favorite rule. lol. #editorchat

[20:40:46] merylkevans: Busy with @smallbizchat and @editorchat. If I am making you crazy… just hit http://twittersnooze.com/ for a day. #editorchat

[20:40:49] milehighfool: And a new rule — no. 5: Refer to the question number when commenting. Q1, Q2, etc. #editorchat

[20:41:05] LydiaBreakfast: For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.RT @deegospel #editorchat

[20:41:20] milehighfool: @jennipps Mine too, Jen. Mine too #editorchat

[20:41:29] jennipps: @merylkevans I thought I’d seen where you had mentioned that sometime before. #editorchat

[20:41:54] milehighfool: For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.RT @deegospel

[20:41:55] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s give everyone a couple more minutes to introduce before we start the Qs #editorchat

[20:41:58] JDEbberly: @merylkevans It’s really tough trying to follow TWO chats simultaneously #Editorchat

[20:41:59] KatPowers: will be hyper-chatting with editors. Think about http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep, via @deegospel #editorchat

[20:41:59] JMegonigal: Hey tweeps…for the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep!

[20:42:04] hinder: RT For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.

[20:42:23] jennipps: @milehighfool I always laugh a little and think if it were only possible… #editorchat

[20:42:46] merylkevans: @JDEbberly Not really. I have TweetChat open in two tabs. One for #smallbizchat and one for #editorchat

[20:43:01] Hergett: Missing out on #editorchat for a birthday celebration. Happy-sad.

[20:43:31] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Happy birthday wishes, sorry you won’t be with us #editorchat

[20:43:34] milehighfool: @Hergett Happy Birthday — we’ll see you next time. #editorchat

[20:43:36] jennipps: @Hergett Aww. Well, happy birthday to the birthday boy/girl. #editorchat

[20:43:44] ErikSherman: I’m on #editorchat for the next hour or so. Use http://www.twitttersnooze.com to ignore my tweets

[20:43:46] JaneFriedman: For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.

[20:43:49] dodgemedlin: Hey all. Mark Dodge Medlin of the San Diego U-T, stopping by #editorchat, where I’ll probably mostly lurk. #editorchat

[20:43:52] KBordessa: @merylkevans Wow – I can barely keep up w/one and you’re watching two?? #editorchat

[20:44:17] LydiaBreakfast: @dodgemedlin Mark, welcome. Don’t be shy #editorchat

[20:44:41] SpecialDee: I like to follow chats in TweetDeck by doing a search for #editorchat which creates a column of chat tweets. How do you follow the chat?

[20:44:47] wetzeledit: Howdy. Not sure if I can keep up but will try to pop in. Wendy Wetzel, freelance copyeditor. #editorchat

[20:44:49] shortformernie: @dodgemedlin Greetings, man. #editorchat

[20:44:57] GLHancock: Newbie to #editorchat, but not to editing. Please be patient with me. #editorchat

[20:45:05] hotspringer: Good evening. I’m Rebecca McCormick, multimedia travel writer from Hot Springs, Ark. #editorchat

[20:45:13] Single_Shot: Don’t know if it’s something I said (typed?), but the twittersnooze website isn’t opening for me. #editorchat

[20:45:36] merylkevans: @KBordessa Well, maybe it helps I am on a laptop sitting up in my comfy bedroom with the right lighting away from noisy kids. #editorchat

[20:46:07] deegospel: URL Change: Put me on http://www.twittersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep. #editorchat

[20:46:08] Jenbenjenben: Another newbie here, too. Longtime editor turned SAHM starting to freelance again. #editorchat

[20:46:10] LydiaBreakfast: So talking about the content divide, you know amid cutbacks is a stated desire among some publishers to produce more content #editorchat

[20:46:14] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Wha? Why in the world would you want to put *us* on snooze? Think of the spit-takes you’ll miss. #editorchat

[20:46:29] LydiaBreakfast: @GLHancock Hi there, welcome. Join in as you can #editorchat

[20:46:35] shortformernie: @Single_Shot thre were three ts in the link; take one out. #editorchat

[20:46:35] JDEbberly: @GLHancock You’re welcome to join us here at Editorchat, GL! #Editorchat

[20:46:50] LydiaBreakfast: @Jenbenjenben Excellent thanks for joining #editorchat

[20:46:56] dodgemedlin: @shortformernie Hey Ernie. How goes it? #editorchat

[20:47:00] JDEbberly: @Jenbenjenben Welcome to Editorchat, Jen! Glad you’ve dropped by tonight #Editorchat

[20:47:00] deegospel: @Single_Shot the url is http://www.twittersnooze.com my bad #editorchat

[20:47:18] milehighfool: @Jenbenjenben Glad you could make it. Welcome. #editorchat

[20:47:49] KatPowers: RT @deegospel @Single_Shot the url is http://www.twittersnooze.com my bad #editorchat #editorchat

[20:48:24] LydiaBreakfast: Talking about content, we know that community is a way to bridge the emerging content divide, where few writers are doing more #editorchat

[20:48:24] rjreports: Hi! I’m actually a writer, on staff at the San Diego Reader … Hopefully I’m still welcome #editorchat

[20:48:40] luckychica: Hello Everyone. First time on #editorchat. Former journo, now freelance writer/editor and captain of my own site for women. #editorchat

[20:48:43] Single_Shot: @milehighfool Never! Just hadn’t seen the site & wanted to suss it out. It’s working now (thanks to RT). #editorchat

[20:48:52] LitChat: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Let’s give everyone a couple more minutes to introduce before we start the Qs #editorchat

[20:48:53] shortformernie: @dodgemedlin OK, just working my butt off per ush. #editorchat

[20:49:12] Single_Shot: @KatPowers Thanks! #editorchat

[20:49:12] milehighfool: Right. We’re seeing a lot of evidence of a widening content divide in all areas of publiishing. #editorchat

[20:49:14] LydiaBreakfast: Q #1 Editors: Are you to trying to find new ways to generate more content, even with mandates to cut staff ? #editorchat

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A new survey from temp worker agency Kelly Services says that 26 percent of the population is now self-employed, up from 19 percent in 2006. With news of layoffs in virtually every American industry, it’s a good bet that this additional 7 percent includes unwilling freelancers. It’s certainly true in publishing. Former New Yorker writer Daniel Baum has been tweeting the story behind his firing in detail.

And yet amid the cutbacks is a stated desire among some publishers to produce more content than ever. BusinessWeek‘s John Byrne was on editorchat not long ago talking about filling digital pages through community engagement. We wonder if that’s all there is.

Is community the only way to bridge this emerging content divide, where few writers are asked to do more than ever? Specifically, we’re wondering:

Editors: Are you to trying to find new ways to generate more content, even with mandates to cut staff ?

Writers: Are editors asking you to produce more? What’s changed in your output routine?

Editors: What have you tried that’s worked in bridging the content divide?

Writers: Do you see the content divide as a threat or an opportunity?

For additional reading, take a look at Publishing Executive‘s piece “User Generated Content is Nothing New” and the Editor and Publisher article on the new WSJ code of conduct with regards to staff using Twitter and Facebook for their work

Drop us a comment below and tell us your stories of success or failure in bridging the content divide.  And join us tomorrow night when we’ll chat about these questions and more.

[20:30:23] milehighfool: And we’re live. Please introduce yourself when you join, #editorchat
[20:30:47] LydiaBreakfast: Good evening tweeps, welcome to another edition of #editorchat
[20:31:31] LydiaBreakfast: Lydia Dishman here, co-hosting along with my pal Tim Beyers @milehighfool #editorchat
[20:31:42] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast Hi everyone. I’m Dan Miranda and I’m the thirteen year old blogger who’s the face behind http://bit.ly/cyt #editorchat
[20:32:29] milehighfool: @timecommander Hi Dan. Glad you could make it. #editorchat
[20:32:41] netta50: Yay, #editorchat! I’m working and tweeting, so pardon my lapses. I’m Netta and I’m a freelance writer/editor. Missed you guys the last 2 wks
[20:32:46] joecortez: Evening! Freelance Writer Joe Cortez on this end — will be lurking on Editor Chat tonight! Looking fwd to good conversation! #editorchat
[20:32:48] JDEbberly: J. D. Ebberly out of N Virginia, I write pieces about blogging & new media and I really enjoy Editorchat! #editorchat
[20:33:08] LydiaBreakfast: @joecortez Hi Joe, don’t just lurk, join the discussion #editorchat
[20:33:11] KatPowers: Good evening, #editorchat #editorchat
[20:33:19] LydiaBreakfast: @JDEbberly Hola JD #editorchat
[20:33:21] UrbanMuseWriter: I’m Susan, a Boston-based writer/blogger who covers business and lifestyle topics for consumer & trade pubs. #editorchat
[20:33:40] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers Glad you made it! #editorchat
[20:33:42] milehighfool: @netta50 Good to see you again, Netta. #editorchat
[20:33:53] LydiaBreakfast: @UrbanMuseWriter Hi Susan, welcome #editorchat
[20:33:54] milehighfool: @JDEbberly Thanks for joining us again, JD. #editorchat
[20:33:54] joecortez: @LydiaBreakfast I’ll pipe in where I feel its appropriate – I’m working on client content 2nite so I’m going back & forth! #editorchat
[20:34:07] SpecialDee: I’m a Maine-based newspaper special sections editor, glad to be here #editorchat
[20:34:08] timecommander: @joecortez Hey Joe, you just wrote an excellent post on what we say online and how it can be used against us. #editorchat
[20:34:22] milehighfool: @UrbanMuseWriter Hi Susan. Thanks for coming tonight. #editorchat
[20:34:22] netta50: @milehighfool Very glad to be here #editorchat
[20:34:50] milehighfool: @SpecialDee Hey there. Our special sections ed. Glad you could make it. #editorchat
[20:35:00] wordful: Charles Bohannan in Hawaii. I blog about writing, blogging and finding a balance between being practical and creative. Aloha! #editorchat
[20:35:07] deegospel: Hi, Twuddies. For the next hour I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.
[20:35:21] joecortez: @timecommander Thanks for the props — really appreciate the praise from an accomplished blogger! #editorchat
[20:35:22] Hergett: Rachel Hergett, reporter/editor at Bozeman Daily Chronicle. Will be in and out of #editorchat tonight.
[20:35:41] LydiaBreakfast: @wordful Hey Charles Welcome aboard #editorchat
[20:35:45] milehighfool: @wordful Hey Charles. Must be beautiful on the islands about now. #editorchat
[20:35:52] TamarahLand: good evening. newbie blogger, freelance writer. first time in #editorchat
[20:36:01] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Hi Rachel – nice to see your (real) face #editorchat
[20:36:04] littlebrownpen: Hi all. Nichole Robertson. Freelance writer and copy director for an organic skin care brand. #editorchat
[20:36:10] judywriter: I’m Judy. I write about construction – comm’ll & residential – & about baby boomers for a trade pub & writing a book on same. #editorchat
[20:36:13] wordful: @milehighfool Yes it is, just about all the time I guess #editorchat
[20:36:16] LydiaBreakfast: @deegospel Welcome, so glad you came #editorchat
[20:36:21] timecommander: @joecortez “accomplished blogger.” Didn’t think you even knew who I was! #editorchat
[20:36:22] milehighfool: Keep introducing yourselves as you join. I’ll get us going with the rules. #editorchat
[20:36:31] LydiaBreakfast: @TamarahLand Great thanks for coming #editorchat
[20:36:49] deegospel: @LydiaBreakfast I’ve been missing it. Glad I remembered. #editorchat
[20:36:50] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Hi Nichole #editorchat
[20:36:51] milehighfool: Rule No. 1 Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.
[20:37:01] joecortez: @timecommander We’ve talked before here and I lurk on your blog…you put out some good stuff! #editorchat
[20:37:07] LydiaBreakfast: @judywriter Hi Judy, thanks for joining #editorchat
[20:37:11] netta50: *waves* to all joining #editorchat
[20:37:12] shortformernie: Hey all, missed last week. Ernie Smith, designer, Wash. Post Express, editor ShortFormBlog (http://shortformblog.com) Woot! #editorchat
[20:37:19] milehighfool: Rule No. 2 Stay on topic. #editorchat
[20:37:26] B2BMKTGCHAT: how many marketers particpating in #editorchat? #b2bmktgchat
[20:37:45] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie Ernie so glad you could make it #editorchat
[20:37:54] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat
[20:38:03] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw
[20:38:12] LydiaBreakfast: @B2BMKTGCHAT 0. This is for editors and those who work with them #editorchat
[20:38:14] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat
[20:38:21] timecommander: @joecortez Glad to hear. Always happy to hear about a new reader. #editorchat
[20:38:33] Hergett: @LydiaBreakfast I guess I’m coming out of my shell sans avatar! #editorchat
[20:38:38] BaileyMcC: Hi all Bailey managing editor @Civsource & writer @ various other places #editorchat
[20:38:54] deegospel: Hi. I’m Dee Stewart, owner of PR firm in Atlanta specializing in entertainment and green businesses. #editorchat
[20:39:00] judywriter: @LydiaBreakfast Hi! I’ve missed it for a few times & it’ll be good to sink my teeth into again. #editorchat
[20:39:44] milehighfool: @deegospel Hi Dee. You’re welcome to lurk but editorchat is for editors and those who work with them. #editorchat
[20:40:01] WillRogersPaper: Joining in – Randy Cowling from Claremore Daily Progress #editorchat
[20:40:38] LydiaBreakfast: @WillRogersPaper Hello Randy thanks for coming #editorchat
[20:40:40] milehighfool: @judywriter Glad to have you back, Judy. Should be great to have a fresh voice in our continuing discussion re: innovation. #editorchat
[20:40:53] deegospel: @milehighfool I’m also an editor of a Christian Magazine. Thanks! #editorchat
[20:41:41] milehighfool: @deegospel Great. Would love to have your perspective as an editor. #editorchat
[20:42:02] shortformernie: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! Glad to be back! #editorchat
[20:42:04] BeckyDMBR: Hey, all! Becky here in Iow-ay! #editorchat
[20:42:22] LydiaBreakfast: So folks, this is a continuation of our discussion on innovations in our business #editorchat
[20:42:29] milehighfool: A warm up before we start: Anyone absolutely, positively going to buy the new Kindle? #editorchat
[20:42:33] judywriter: @milehighfool Thanks! Just got back from Construction Writers Assn. conference & am all inspired & fired up. #editorchat
[20:42:34] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Woot! #editorchat
[20:42:36] deegospel: @milehighfool NP. #editorchat
[20:42:59] deegospel: @milehighfool I’m thinking about the Kindle DX. I like that the screen is larger. #editorchat
[20:43:04] LydiaBreakfast: as Amazon unveils its large format Kindle DX, billed as a potential savior of the newspaper industry. We’re not so sure. #editorchat
[20:43:09] JDEbberly: @milehighfool I want that new Kindle so badly I can taste it! #editorchat
[20:44:10] WillRogersPaper: @milehighfool: No on Kindle #editorchat
[20:44:25] milehighfool: As I trample on Lydia’s opener. The point remains. In a discussion re: innovation the Kindle is big news. #editorchat
[20:44:30] shortformernie: @milehighfool Buy?! It should be subsidized 100% by the newspaper companies! #editorchat
[20:44:57] deegospel: @LydiaBreakfast I agree. If you can read most of the newspaper online for free. Why would the Kindle be it’s savior? #editorchat
[20:45:04] judywriter: @milehighfool I’m absolutely NOT going to buy it! I have a Gen 1 & don’t like it much. Gen 2 better but not gonna pay twice. #editorchat
[20:45:15] netta50: The price tag is pretty steep, but it’s on my wish list. #editorchat
[20:45:22] milehighfool: @shortformernie Fitting. So. Fitting. #editorchat
[20:45:44] deegospel: @milehighfool I think it’s great for magazines, because most magazines site don’t share as much content as newspapers #editorchat
[20:46:15] LydiaBreakfast: Kindle or no, what are you doing to move into this next era of publishing? We want to talk about what has worked and hasn’t. #editorchat
[20:46:43] judywriter: @shortformernie I agree w/ you too! #editorchat
[20:46:55] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast Kindle or no, what are you doing to move into this next era of publishing? #editorchat
[20:47:09] UrbanMuseWriter: @milehighfool I’m not convinced that I need a Kindle. I already do a lot of reading on my BlackBerry, plus I have an iPod. #editorchat
[20:47:14] milehighfool: Please remember to mark your answers with Q1, Q2, etc. #editorchat
[20:47:30] shortformernie: @lydiabreakfast You should see the rugburns on my face from being so close to the cutting edge. It stings. #editorchat
[20:47:32] wordful: #kindle really need to be in color — then I’ll consider buying it #editorchat
[20:47:51] melodyhritt: #editorchat not sure about buying the Kindle DX yet but this is the first time I’ve been tempted.
[20:47:53] deegospel: what question are we on? #editorchat
[20:48:09] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie that is why I have hardwood floors. Smoother #editorchat
[20:48:10] Hergett: I agree with @UrbanMuseWriter “I’m not convinced that I need a Kindle. I already do a lot of reading on my BlackBerry…” #editorchat
[20:48:59] LydiaBreakfast: @deegospel Q1 about moving into the next era – what has worked? #editorchat
[20:49:04] timecommander: @milehighfool $489 is a bit pricey. I’ll pass. #editorchat
[20:49:08] judywriter: Re next era of publishing: It’s all about new media, SM, online video, interactivity. Getting it funded is another subject, tho #editorchat
[20:49:16] KatPowers: Q1 Don’t we all have a stockpile of gadgets we thought were the greatest kicking around? Pairing down to a laptop and phone #editorchat
[20:50:01] shortformernie: Q1: Clearly, the Cuecat. That did wonders for the Dallas Morning News, didn’t it? #editorchat
[20:50:07] judywriter: @wordful I agree. The more it’s like Zinio, the better. #kindle #editorchat
[20:50:20] deegospel: q1: Creating Online Communities & providing content the community wants like Essence Magazine does is a step forward #editorchat
[20:50:45] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast Q1: social media is the future. but I agree with @KatPower. I can do just fine with a laptop and phone. #editorchat
[20:50:51] milehighfool: Q1 Devil’s Advocate: So if we don’t need the Kindle, why is it selling, and why are digital subs to the NYT selling for it? #editorchat
[20:50:51] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie can you explain to those who might not know what that is? #editorchat
[20:51:27] LydiaBreakfast: @timecommander are you homeschooled? #editorchat
[20:51:31] joecortez: Q1: Publishing needs to take new approaches that SM, Broadcast, Online, & Gadgets can not. Bring readers back w/deep content. #editorchat
[20:51:36] timecommander: @milehighfool Because the marketing behind it is genius. #editorchat
[20:51:40] shortformernie: @LydiaBreakfast Sure. Basically Belo spent a bunch of money around the time of the dot-com bubble on these barcode devices. #editorchat
[20:51:43] BeckyDMBR: Some papers are offering Kindles at lower cost w/subscriptions. Hmm. Wonder how much lower? #editorchat
[20:51:47] SuburbNews: The price of some terrific gadgets saddens me and makes me concerned about equal access for poor, even middle class. #editorchat
[20:51:54] UrbanMuseWriter: @milehighfool I will probably buy a Kindle someday but right now I just don’t feel the need to spend the $$ #editorchat
[20:51:55] JDEbberly: Q1 The Kindle is selling because there are always ppl who love gadgets. Like me! #editorchat
[20:52:03] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast Ha, I’ve gotten that question a lot. No I’m not, I just manage my time effectively. #editorchat
[20:52:18] KatPowers: Why Kindle? RT@timecommander @milehighfool Because the marketing behind it is genius. #editorchat #editorchat
[20:52:27] milehighfool: @timecommander I’m not so sure. I think it’s because there’s an advantage to consolidating reading material. #editorchat
[20:52:31] shortformernie: @LydiaBreakfast And they cost them a TON of money because nobody wanted them and they were useless. #editorchat
[20:52:53] LydiaBreakfast: @timecommander laptops are usually the domain of homeschoolers #editorchat
[20:52:58] deegospel: q1: @milehighfool The Kindle is needed. Going Green isn’t just a celeb trend; it very well will be the future, but… #editorchat
[20:53:08] JDEbberly: RT @KatPowers: Why Kindle? RT@timecommander @milehighfool Because the marketing behind it is genius. #editorchat #editorchat
[20:53:15] judywriter: Q1: At conf I just went to, we talked about how hard it is to know/predict who’ll respond to what. Surprises, not all good. #editorchat
[20:53:23] shortformernie: That’s what we have to be afraid of when we look at things like the Kindle. The Kindle could be just like the Cuecat. #editorchat
[20:53:25] milehighfool: @shortformernie Thus the danger with innovation. But back to the question: What’s working? #editorchat
[20:53:37] deegospel: q1: the beauty of newsprint–I hope–doesn’t entirely go away. #editorchat
[20:53:38] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast laptops are the domain of thirteen year old children in general. #editorchat
[20:53:46] milehighfool: @judywriter What was the worst or most surprising? #editorchat
[20:54:05] LydiaBreakfast: @judywriter that is why it is good to fail quickly, get out and do the next thing #editorchat
[20:54:05] superjaberwocky: @Hergett I don’t need a Kindle, but I would be on top of a large-format iPod Touch in an instant. #editorchat
[20:54:43] judywriter: Q1: What’s working is to engage ppl in stories (hard to predict which ones’ll draw), and keep pumping out content. #editorchat
[20:54:44] BeckyDMBR: @timecommander Genius marketing? Howso? #editorchat
[20:54:59] milehighfool: Twitter is working well for me as a trendspotter. The tweestream has become my breaking news feed. #editorchat
[20:55:08] deegospel: q1: What’s working? For the mags I contribute to as an editor, using SMS helps mag connect faster with their subscribers #editorchat
[20:55:17] shortformernie: I think what’s worked best so far has been the combining of Web technologies. Which newspapers are always afraid to do. #editorchat
[20:55:39] deegospel: q1: building membership sites is a way that magazines can still add revenue #editorchat
[20:55:43] milehighfool: @judywriter So we know Twitter is an engagment tool for us writers. What about Facebook and other SM. Are you using it? #editorchat
[20:55:48] KatPowers: Q1 what works is getting folks to respond immediately to stories. They get addicted. Comments, sending emails, it’s all good #editorchat
[20:55:51] judywriter: @milehighfool Worst was when we invested a lot in a major story & got more comments on a throwaway story. $$$$ #editorchat
[20:55:55] netta50: I think the appeal of Kindle is green, portability, and attractive to techies. #editorchat
[20:56:23] milehighfool: @shortformernie Yes! Mashuos — combining Web content from two or more sources into one — are easier to do now. #editorchat
[20:56:23] JDEbberly: RT @deegospel: q1: building membership sites is a way that magazines can still add revenue (I agree.) #editorchat
[20:56:35] judywriter: @LydiaBreakfast Absolutely, have to fail quickly. HARD to do in a big co. That’s why publishing co’s are struggling. #editorchat
[20:56:36] anti9to5guide: Dang, I just realized I’m missing #editorchat!
[20:56:49] shortformernie: Q1: Someone’s already built what you need – the secret is trying not to own the market but to build on top of it. #editorchat
[20:56:55] LydiaBreakfast: Facebook is too slow after using twitter. Fan and group pages are static and don’t invite discussion #editorchat
[20:56:58] JDEbberly: @anti9to5guide Welcome Back! #editorchat
[20:57:07] LydiaBreakfast: @anti9to5guide No you’re not, here you are #editorchat
[20:57:10] judywriter: @milehighfool I use FB, LinkedIn, & (obviously)twitter. Am speaking about it tomorrow, in fact. Ppl don’t get it at all! #editorchat
[20:57:17] milehighfool: Whoa. Did I say Mashuos? Sounds like potatoes gone wrong. I meant mashups. #editorchat
[20:57:22] netta50: @milehighfool FB, not so much. It’s bloated and a time suck, if not managed properly. #editorchat
[20:57:38] shortformernie: Q1: My last paper, Link, was a really great idea journalistically, and from a content and design perspective it killed. #editorchat
[20:57:40] joecortez: Q1: I agreee with @shortformernie — all the tools are there; its time to find the best application for the job at hand. #editorchat
[20:57:45] deegospel: q1: @mario1123 membership sites is a tough one? #editorchat
[20:57:47] deegospel: #editorchat
[20:58:00] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Jump in Michelle #editorchat
[20:58:02] judywriter: @milehighfool I went thru the same thing with the Web. “WHY use it?” “No good” “Too time consuming” “No value” “Play, not work” #editorchat
[20:58:17] shortformernie: Q1: But it got the Web wrong. It was late and it tried to build its own site around old technology instead of mashups. #editorchat
[20:58:30] milehighfool: @judywriter Right. So very mid-90s. #editorchat
[20:58:39] UrbanMuseWriter: RT @netta50: @milehighfool FB, not so much. It’s bloated and a time suck, if not managed properly. (I’m so over FB!) #editorchat
[20:58:42] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool I was trying to figure out what language mashuos was. #editorchat
[20:58:58] shortformernie: Q1: And that was a corporate failing, BTW – they didn’t prioritize the Web the way they could have. #editorchat
[20:59:12] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR Potato Latin. #editorchat
[20:59:20] jennipps: Forgot what time #editorchat started. Trying to log in from home.
[20:59:25] shortformernie: Why build your own garden when you can buy from the farmer’s market? #editorchat
[20:59:33] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie aren’t we looking at the same problem now? #editorchat
[20:59:35] anti9to5guide: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Thx. Can’t stay long, but did wanna drop in. Freelance writer focused on career stories right now. #editorchat
[20:59:37] deegospel: q1: I also think that building exclusive events sponsored by the mag like Pink & Skirt Mag does is working for certain mags #editorchat
[20:59:50] milehighfool: RT @shortformernie: Why build your own garden when you can buy from the farmer’s market? #editorchat
[20:59:52] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Hi Jen #editorchat
[21:00:05] judywriter: Q1: What works is to keep technology open, don’t make it hard for ppl to participate, i.e., go thru a lot of hoops to join in. #editorchat
[21:00:24] netta50: @UrbanMuseWriter I know, right? It’s starting to be annoying, like Myspace. #editorchat
[21:00:40] judywriter: @shortformernie They’re doing the same thing w/ social media. Not getting it, not prioritizing it, not funding resources for it. #editorchat
[21:00:55] milehighfool: @deegospel Yes. Exclusivity is a time-tested strategy. #editorchat
[21:00:58] LydiaBreakfast: @judywriter agreed – am less likely to leave a comment if I have to create a profile first #editorchat
[21:00:58] KatPowers: RT@judywriter Q1: What works is to keep technology open, don’t make it hard for ppl to participate, i.e., go thru a lot of hoop #editorchat
[21:01:09] UrbanMuseWriter: @deegospel yes, but neither mag is doing well. Pink went quarterly & I believe Skirt has stopped publishing, at least in Boston #editorchat
[21:01:14] BeckyDMBR: @shortformernie Build your own garden if you like the act of gardening. #editorchat
[21:01:32] WillRogersPaper: Still alot of graybeards not wanting to throw in the towel and mesh print and online. Can it be all or nothing? #editorchat
[21:01:40] milehighfool: So where’s the win when it comes to innovation? How have you benefited readers by embracing innovation? #editorchat
[21:01:49] LydiaBreakfast: @UrbanMuseWriter Skirt used to be independent, now like a franchise #editorchat
[21:01:59] deegospel: q1: @UrbanMuseWriter Skirt’s publishing in Atlanta. I’m in Atlanta. #editorchat
[21:02:09] shortformernie: @judywriter EXACTLY. A hamfisted approach to the Web is not what we need right now. #editorchat
[21:02:17] dodgemedlin: Hey all. Mark Dodge Medlin of The San Diego Union-Tribune here, keeping half an eye on #editorchat, the other 1.5 eyes on work. #editorchat
[21:02:30] LydiaBreakfast: @WillRogersPaper I don’t think all or nothing is a viable part of the new vocabulary #editorchat
[21:02:30] UrbanMuseWriter: @netta50 Too busy, too many vampire bites & pokes & prods & stuff I don’t understand #editorchat
[21:02:52] milehighfool: A Foolish example: I often tweet follow-ups to my Fool.com stories. Twiter exclusives, per se. #editorchat
[21:02:53] LydiaBreakfast: @dodgemedlin Hey Mark – thanks so much for coming #editorchat
[21:02:59] UrbanMuseWriter: @LydiaBreakfast The Boston editor announced at a panel last week that she got laid off bc they’re not publishing #editorchat
[21:03:32] judywriter: @LydiaBreakfast Co’s want to keep track of participants but ppl don’t want a hassle or to give out their info. #editorchat
[21:03:37] milehighfool: @dodgemedlin Thanks for droppng by, Mark. We’ll try not to make you cross-eyed. #editorchat
[21:03:40] LydiaBreakfast: @UrbanMuseWriter the one we have in Gville is so skinny it may as well not exist #editorchat
[21:03:57] JMegonigal: Q1:We decided NOT to put our mag digital (we want ppl to PAY for it) but we built website to complement. Has worked well so far. #editorchat
[21:03:58] anti9to5guide: @JDEbberly Thanks. Nice to be here. #editorchat
[21:04:00] judywriter: @shortformernie Hamfisted. Great word. And so dead on!! #editorchat
[21:04:22] judywriter: @shortformernie You must be a writer. LOL #editorchat
[21:04:28] shortformernie: @milehighfool Big and small. Every time we put a TinyURL in print telling readers to get even more information. #editorchat
[21:04:36] milehighfool: @UrbanMuseWriter Colorado’s books seem to be doing better. 5280 has been a Nat. Mag. Award winner. #editorchat
[21:04:36] KatPowers: @JMegonigal What do you put in one that does not go in the other? #editorchat
[21:04:44] netta50: @UrbanMuseWriter Exactly. Simple interface is so much better. You lose people with complicated and inane. #editorchat
[21:04:53] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal yes it has! Have you all seen Business Black Box? Great pub #editorchat
[21:05:29] lauriemeisel: Hi I was lurking. I’m the Web Producer for Architectural Record w/exp in newsletter/site editing #editorchat
[21:05:30] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Why couldn’t they also pay for digital? isn’t a mind-shift needed? #editorchat
[21:05:52] milehighfool: @lauriemeisel Glad you could make it. #editorchat
[21:06:06] LydiaBreakfast: @lauriemeisel Hi Laurie, jump on in #editorchat
[21:06:10] judywriter: A pub shut down 15 regional mags & laid off everybody. I thought why not redirect to the Web? Dumb, IMHO. #editorchat
[21:06:14] shortformernie: Q2: Where I’m at with Express is encouraging a continuing of the interest in the story, whether or not we have the full thing. #editorchat
[21:06:21] milehighfool: @netta50 The irony: It’s often far more complex to create something simple and elegant. #editorchat
[21:06:26] bobbyrettew: @JMegonigal Just got my @InsideBlackBox copy at the HOUSE! GREAT JOB! Very clean and INNOVATIVE! #editorchat
[21:06:39] JMegonigal: @KatPowers Expert blogs on one, full features; different articles in print. They tease back and forth, but dont cross. #editorchat
[21:06:57] ohmgee: hiya. popping tweetchat cherry. art director of oregon business magazine, former newspaper designer and tweets as @nwspprscppln #editorchat
[21:07:00] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast You’re sweet. #editorchat
[21:07:04] shortformernie: Q2: So, our long-term goal for building fact boxes – since we’re short – is to let readers know where else to go online. #editorchat
[21:07:42] JMegonigal: @milehighfool could, but our market hasn’t “gotten” there yet. They still dont see a lot of value in web/digital (at least paid) #editorchat
[21:07:45] LydiaBreakfast: @ohmgee we’ll be gentle, promise #editorchat
[21:07:57] milehighfool: @shortformernie You’re the gateway to helping them get smarter. Isn’t that the currency of the Web? #editorchat
[21:08:31] WillRogersPaper: @LydiaBreakfast I agree wholeheartedly…problem is that’s a large obstacle. What I heari is simple interface, mashup of content #editorchat
[21:09:23] digitalsista: seems to be a bunch of chats going on tonight #editorchat #smallbizchat
[21:09:26] shortformernie: @milehighfool You got it. You can’t get the Web on the Metro. But you can get Express. We do our job if you go back to the Web. #editorchat
[21:09:34] netta50: @milehighfool Agreed, but worth it.U should’nt have to give a pint of blood for access, or B threatened with brain draining apps.#editorchat
[21:10:08] deegospel: i’ve lost track of the last question. #editorchat
[21:10:16] LydiaBreakfast: OK Q3, Has anyone found a good way to do long form writing? #editorchat
[21:10:19] milehighfool: @netta50 No more Zombie software. or zombie content, for that matter. #editorchat
[21:10:51] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Either on the Web or in print, yes? Speaks to how the Web seems to be killing the long form. #editorchat
[21:10:54] shortformernie: @LydiaBreakfast Considering my Twitter name, I’m leaving this one alone #editorchat
[21:11:36] ohmgee: @LydiaBreakfast whew. thank you! =) #editorchat
[21:11:37] stephauteri: @LydiaBreakfast: What do you mean re: Q3? (I’m late.) In terms of finding a market for it? #editorchat
[21:11:41] PDXsays: @LydiaBreakfast hi Lydia.. at @AboutUs for a presentation on editing and use if wikipedia and journalism #wikiwed #editorchat
[21:11:48] judywriter: Do readers benefit from innovation? We’ll, “innovation” is often barely “catching up.” Readers benefit from more & better. #editorchat
[21:11:51] milehighfool: @shortformernie Oh come on, Ernie. Take a sta. Make it bleed. Is the long form really dead? #editorchat
[21:11:55] anti9to5guide: Do you mean no. 2 pencil vs. laptop? Kidding. I still like essays for anthologies & the few media outlets that buy ‘em. #editorchat
[21:12:06] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie C’mon Ernie, if you were going to do it, how would you? Sequential narrative? #editorchat
[21:12:11] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast I’m not sure long form is viable anymore. #editorchat
[21:12:17] wordful: Long form writing works when the narrative creates a highly engaging, sacred space. Stevepavlina.com is a good example of this. #editorchat
[21:12:18] KatPowers: Whoops! Mother in law called. What is Q3? #editorchat
[21:12:22] LydiaBreakfast: @PDXsays Hi, ooh that sounds good! #editorchat
[21:12:35] milehighfool: Because I don’t buy it. I’m of the mind that the Web and social media offer limitless opporunities for low-cost experimentation. #editorchat
[21:12:36] joecortez: Q3: Long form is never dead — that’s effectively what books are. Very, VERY long form. #editorchat
[21:12:45] LydiaBreakfast: @stephauteri how to do it, how to find a market, etc. #editorchat
[21:13:11] judywriter: @LydiaBreakfast Q3, leaving that one alone too. #editorchat
[21:13:19] LydiaBreakfast: @joecortez LOL #editorchat
[21:13:45] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers Has anyone found a good way to do long form writing? #editorchat
[21:13:48] stephauteri: Q3: Finding a market for it is so tough. Everything now is listicles and bullet points and charts and graphs. #editorchat
[21:13:48] shortformernie: @milehighfool @lydiabreakfast I’ve banked my entire career on anything but the long form. I’d say it’s not my forte. #editorchat
[21:13:51] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Essay is a perfect form for the Web. Look at Salon and Slate. #editorchat
[21:13:52] deegospel: q3: White Paper. I love a Moleskine Notebook. Makes me feel intelligent #editorchat
[21:14:03] UrbanMuseWriter: Q3 outside of books, the outlets for long-form NF is shrinking, which is as shame. #editorchat
[21:14:29] WillRogersPaper: Long form can survived if enhanced with images, video and audio #editorchat
[21:14:31] shortformernie: Q3: But that said, I do think the long form never really died on the Web. Have you seen how long some blog posts are? Really? #editorchat
[21:14:33] anti9to5guide: Yes, Salon/Slate are the bomb. #editorchat
[21:14:37] deegospel: @mario1123 lol #editorchat
[21:14:39] stephauteri: Q3: But I love those sites that still traffic in long-form stuff. As @milehighfool says, sites like Salon are a godsend. #editorchat
[21:14:41] JMegonigal: Q3: IWill we see a new trend emerge? mags; long-form mags; books. Trend for mags points to bit info. But long form not dead yet! #editorchat
[21:14:45] DavisFreeberg: I think that longform content is more attractive to niche audiences than the masses. If your pub is focused it has more value #editorchat
[21:15:19] milehighfool: So who’s had success writing the long form recently? Anyone? Longer than, say, 1,200 words. (Which used to be short.) #editorchat
[21:15:20] judywriter: @milehighfool I agree re limitless opportuniies for low-cost experimentation. Gotta love change in this business! #editorchat
[21:15:25] anti9to5guide: Just printed out a couple mediabistro articles on outlets that buy essays. It’s from 2008. Half of them are probably gone now. #editorchat
[21:15:36] LydiaBreakfast: RT @WillRogersPaper Long form can survived if enhanced with images, video and audio #editorchat
[21:15:41] deegospel: q3: @milehighfool Oh I agree. #editorchat
[21:15:45] shortformernie: Q3: Ultimately, if you have a good article and it’s compelling, people will read it. Really, short-form is for sorting the junk. #editorchat
[21:16:02] stephauteri: @anti9to5guide: I believe the MB guides are being updated right now. Thank god. #editorchat
[21:16:14] milehighfool: @JMegonigal I badly want to see a new magazine dedicated to nothing but the very best essays. Or is it already out there? #editorchat
[21:16:18] judywriter: @deegospel LOL #editorchat
[21:16:38] anti9to5guide: Yeah, sure, something for a book anthology that I wrote last month. #editorchat
[21:16:42] JMegonigal: @jamieprince That’s true. There’s a psych response to mags and books that papers dont have. Does that = Survival? Maybe. #editorchat
[21:16:44] UrbanMuseWriter: @anti9to5guide They’re working on updating & adding a part 3. Stay tuned! #editorchat
[21:16:49] stephauteri: @milehighfool: I just did a 2,000-word piece for Nerve. They kept cutting and cutting, though. #editorchat
[21:16:52] milehighfool: @shortformernie Disagree. When done well, the short form is pure art. #editorchat
[21:17:00] judywriter: Long form isn’t my fave. I could never get through a New Yorker. #editorchat
[21:17:02] SpecialDee: Q1 Great content is fine but the user experience must be enjoyable or the visitor will go to a site that is enjoyable/easy2use #editorchat
[21:17:15] joecortez: Q3: If you are passionate about the topic, and give a reason to find out how the story ends, they’ll follow the long form thru. #editorchat
[21:17:22] netta50: The definition of flash fiction is under 1500 words. What definition is “long form”? #editorchat
[21:17:33] WillRogersPaper: If sites are Hyperlocal, or Hyperfocus on niche – long form connects with a community or specific market – content still drives #editorchat
[21:17:44] stephauteri: Long-form has always been my fave, but being a paid blogger has made my ability to write long-form suffer. #editorchat
[21:17:47] mobienthusiast: Who is tweeting #editorchat questions please?
[21:17:48] UrbanMuseWriter: RT @milehighfool: @shortformernie Disagree. When done well, the short form is pure art. (here, here! almost like a haiku) #editorchat
[21:17:53] fixin2: Sorry I’m late to the dance. News editor for small daily in Mississippi. #editorchat
[21:17:57] JMegonigal: @milehighfool Not that I’m aware, but there r essay mags that r still VERY strong, right? think Harpers and New Yorker as stds. #editorchat
[21:18:08] anti9to5guide: @stephauteri @UrbanMuseWriter Yeah, saw that post on upod, which is why I went to check the earlier one(s). #editorchat
[21:18:11] shortformernie: @milehighfool There’s an art to sorting the junk. #editorchat
[21:18:12] milehighfool: @stephauteri Outstanding. What details can you share about the assignment itself? Was the length intimidating for the ed.? #editorchat
[21:18:14] SpecialDee: Q1 difference between reading from computer screen and reading from paper; screens use diff neuro paths. #editorchat
[21:18:41] deegospel: RT @LydiaBreakfast: OK Q3, Has anyone found a good way to do long form writing? #editorchat
[21:19:02] LydiaBreakfast: @mobienthusiast I do the Qs #editorchat
[21:19:10] wordful: @shortformernie I don’t know…you seem to have a really artful touch with the short form on your blog. #editorchat
[21:19:19] stephauteri: @milehighfool: It was actually the length they originally asked for, but they’ve suddenly decided to go shorter across the board #editorchat
[21:19:28] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Q3 Still good mags out there. Most, if not all, are online as well, though. #editorchat
[21:19:33] stephauteri: @milehighfool: Bad timing for me, I suppose! #editorchat
[21:19:40] lauriemeisel: Q3 I don’t see long form on the web sustaining itself nowadays w/o the extra images or multimedia. Web audiences bore faster #editorchat
[21:19:43] milehighfool: @SpecialDee Wow. That sounds so William Gibson. What’s the net neuro result? #editorchat
[21:19:54] anti9to5guide: Since you bring up short online attention spans, curious, what is everyone’s max word length they’ll read in a reported column? #editorchat
[21:20:15] SpecialDee: Q1 adding diff types of media 2 site such as videos 2 accompany stories, podcasts, live chats 2 engage readers 3 times/week. #editorchat
[21:20:22] deegospel: q3: I love long form writing. I get very little requests outside of Lit & Industry Trade Journals to write. #editorchat
[21:20:38] stephauteri: @anti9to5guide: I think it depends on how compelling a piece is, especially in the first few graphs. #editorchat
[21:20:42] SuburbNews: Agree RT @WillRogersPaper If sites are Hyperlocal- long form connects with a community or specific market – content still drives #editorchat
[21:20:50] deegospel: @anti9to5guide 250 words #editorchat
[21:20:51] LydiaBreakfast: @anti9to5guide printed I can read thousands of words. Online, two page clicks, maybe three #editorchat
[21:21:00] stephauteri: @anti9to5guide: I’ll follow a piece for pages if the first few graphs pull me in. #editorchat
[21:21:09] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Most of the time, I write to 600 words. #editorchat
[21:21:12] shortformernie: @wordful To clarify: By sorting the junk, I mean organization and clarity. A good editor can clear the hay and find the needle. #editorchat
[21:21:28] DavisFreeberg: @anti9to5guide it depends on the content. I’ll spend all night reading a boring 200 page legal doc if it’s the right topic. #editorchat
[21:21:55] fixin2: Q3: I think long form on the Internet will have to be interspersed and supplemented with other media, broken into series. #editorchat
[21:21:59] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Which I know is crazy short. Wrote a 900-word query last night. #editorchat
[21:22:00] netta50: Online web copy assignment for me rarely exceed 500 words. #editorchat
[21:22:05] deegospel: @LydiaBreakfast I rarely scroll past the screen. My book blog was created with short form in mind, but my readers want more… #editorchat
[21:22:28] anti9to5guide: Interesting. I have an online column that’s supposed to be at least 2 screens 750 words. I often wind up at 1K words, 3 screens. #editorchat
[21:22:32] PDXsays: @LydiaBreakfast I am not sure about others’tweets in room.. hope they are contributing to body of knowledge #wikiwed #editorchat
[21:22:38] milehighfool: @DavisFreeberg Right. All depends on the content, and the reader’s needs. #editorchat
[21:22:50] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Wowza, that must’ve been some article you’re pitching! #editorchat
[21:22:50] DavisFreeberg: pagination has more to do with whether or not I keep reading an article, then the actual length #editorchat
[21:22:59] wordful: @shortformernie thanks for clarifying. Good editorial skills are must-have on the web. So much–I mean SO much–junk out there. #editorchat
[21:23:07] pomahony2: I am reading #editorchat. I wish that every 5 min, they would stop and they would tell us newbies what they are talking about @pomahony2
[21:23:15] TheaPatrick: Just checkin in,following the chat but no comment yet;great advice @shortformernie ! www.happilymarriedafter.wordpress.com #editorchat
[21:23:45] JMegonigal: Bouncing in, bouncing out. Goodnight, all. #editorchat
[21:23:47] shortformernie: @anti9to5guide My blog: 100 words is a stretching-it maximum. Some posts are as short as six words. #editorchat
[21:23:48] milehighfool: @netta50 Same. But I badly want to push the limits. I want to prove that there’s life after trying an anecdotal lede. #editorchat
[21:23:50] anti9to5guide: @deegospel I initially gasped when you said “250 words,” but yeah, color me long-winded. #editorchat
[21:24:10] LydiaBreakfast: @pomahony2 we are on long form writing – how to do it and where to sell it #editorchat
[21:24:16] WillRogersPaper: Content that connects is key, multimedia essential, frequency of postings &updates – how important? I agree Org key 4 long form #editorchat
[21:24:16] anti9to5guide: @shortformernie Fun. Going to check it out this evening. #editorchat
[21:24:17] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Personal essay, it turns out. Wish me luck #editorchat
[21:24:30] UrbanMuseWriter: @DavisFreeberg it’s like Disneyland, where you’re tricked into waiting 45 min for a ride, bc ou don’t see how long the line is #editorchat
[21:24:54] netta50: @milehighfool My roots are in flash, so I’ve had to adapt to fit a lot of info in much less space. #editorchat
[21:24:57] wordful: RT @shortformernie @wordful By sorting junk, I mean organization and clarity. A good editor can clear the hay & find the needle #editorchat
[21:25:02] SuburbNews: @shortformernie Six words? Wow. And people thought 140 characters wasn’t enough! #editorchat
[21:25:08] AbsoluteWrite: So no – the longform isn’t dead. In some ways, in terms of fiction, might see a renaissance – and NF should get a lift from that #editorchat
[21:25:12] lauriemeisel: Q3 Even w/an engaging piece, if it is split w/too many pages online, readers drop off. And page splits are due to ad $$ #editorchat
[21:25:13] milehighfool: @WillRogersPaper Frequency also seems to be part of the new currency. On the Web, readers are like a hungry child. #editorchat
[21:26:10] netta50: @milehighfool That’s the CLIENT’S specs. They’re ordering shorter articles for their web copy. #editorchat
[21:26:08] KatPowers: RT @milehighfool @WillRogers Paper Frequency also seems to be part of the new currency. On the Web, readers are like a hungry ch #editorchat
[21:26:13] stephauteri: RT @wordful: By sorting junk, I mean organization and clarity. A good editor can clear the hay & find the needle. #editorchat
[21:26:32] milehighfool: @AbsoluteWrite That’s encouraging. But I wonder if the expectations are different for fiction? #editorchat
[21:26:32] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Good luck! Everyone’s fave thing to write, those PEs. #editorchat
[21:26:55] judywriter: @milehighfool Yeah, but the hungry children seem to prefer sugar to vegetables. Makes it a challenge for “real” stories. #editorchat
[21:27:03] stephauteri: @wordful: You’re so right. As traumatized as I was by my truncated essay, it was also nicely tightened in the editing process. #editorchat
[21:27:32] milehighfool: RT @judywriter Yeah, but the hungry children seem to prefer sugar to vegetables. Makes it a challenge for “real” stories. #editorchat
[21:27:43] fixin2: RT @judywriter: Yeah, but the hungry children seem to prefer sugar to vegetables. Makes it a challenge for “real” stories. #editorchat
[21:27:48] AbsoluteWrite: @milehighfool #editorchat Sure, until we see NF e-books take off the way, say, paranormal romance.
[21:27:49] deegospel: q3: @fixin2 usually if i have a more than 250 words on any of my columns I use utterli or btr to create a podcast they can hear #editorchat
[21:28:10] deegospel: @anti9to5guide lol i’m usually reading online content on my blackberry #editorchat
[21:28:11] WillRogersPaper: @milehighfool updating content online = TV channel surfers – view & move on. Give them something new each time they will return #editorchat
[21:28:18] LydiaBreakfast: Q4 – With sugar vs. veggies in mind, Editors, what are you doing to engage and work more effectively with writers? #editorchat
[21:28:26] wordful: @stephauteri Maybe I RTed that Editor statement wrong. @shortformernie said it, give him credit. #editorchat
[21:28:40] anti9to5guide: @stephauteri So great how much you can learn from a thoughtful editor who has the time to prune your piece. #editorchat
[21:29:06] SuburbNews: @judywriter Funny. Coworker calls them “broccoli stories.” Long stories eg lawsuit re: pension debacle. Dry, boring but imp. #editorchat
[21:29:11] stephauteri: RT @shortformernie: By sorting junk, I mean organization and clarity. A good editor can clear the hay & find the needle. #editorchat
[21:29:28] stephauteri: @wordful: Thanks dude! My bad. #editorchat
[21:29:31] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q4 – Editors, what are you doing to engage and work more effectively with writers? #editorchat
[21:29:49] KatPowers: Sooo many writers don’t understand what the new expectations are online. Communicating that is key (Is that Q4? Q5?) #editorchat
[21:30:01] deegospel: RT @lauriemeisel: Q3 Even w/an engaging piece, if it’s split w/many pages online, readers drop off. & page splits R due 2 ad $$ #editorchat
[21:30:05] anti9to5guide: @deegospel Ah, that explains it. I need to remember that some people are reading our work on a two-inch screen. #editorchat
[21:30:15] WillRogersPaper: A4 – talk, talk, talk with writers. explore angles, glean nuggets, help them connect with reader #editorchat
[21:30:21] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers Q4 #editorchat
[21:30:23] milehighfool: @SuburbNews A perfect opportunity for innovation, no? Why do long stories have to be boring? Can’t they be dramatic and newsy? #editorchat
[21:30:37] judywriter: Q4. It’s good to have a mix of both types. Easier to get the variety w/ a lot of freelancers, especially now w/ high unemploy. #editorchat
[21:30:44] JMegonigal: Q4: try to build and maintain a SMALL pool/writers who know us + who we can spoil w/ conferences or food every once and a while. #editorchat
[21:30:54] KatPowers: @LydiaBreakfast d’oh! #editorchat
[21:30:56] jennipps: Hi, everyone! Bad connection at home finally let me in. Jen, freelance writer in south Oklahoma. #editorchat
[21:31:14] UrbanMuseWriter: @KatPowers tell us more! what do you wish writers did differently? #editorchat
[21:31:34] judywriter: @SuburbNews Certain ppl need those dry-but-important stories, & it establishes the pub as the authority. #editorchat
[21:31:34] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal hmmm food? drinks too? #editorchat
[21:31:39] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Excellent. And your branch office in Colorado opens when? #editorchat
[21:31:49] JMegonigal: Q4 I’ll pay for conferences for whole pool when I can – it builds them up and pays off for ME in the long run! #editorchat
[21:32:13] Hergett: @SuburbNews: @judywriter “Broccoli stories” possibly a reference to Lamott’s “Bird by Bird” #editorchat
[21:32:16] milehighfool: @jennipps Glad you made it, Jen. Talking about innovation success stories. #editorchat
[21:32:17] AbsoluteWrite: @milehighfool #editorchat in terms of longer form NF (10-20K words) It’s an area to examine, and e-book for handheld is the clear platform
[21:32:37] KatPowers: @UrbanMuseWriter You can’t wait for a print deadline, file now; Write with SEO in mind (Use name of town, not just “police said” #editorchat
[21:33:04] milehighfool: @AbsoluteWrite Agreed. This is one of those area where the Kindle could be a killer app. An iTablet from Apple, too. #editorchat
[21:33:18] DavisFreeberg: I bet brief but frequent articles is better 4 pubs that use ad revenue, while long is better for those who charge subscriptions #editorchat
[21:33:25] deegospel: @AbsoluteWrite Ebook. Yes, I agree. #editorchat
[21:33:45] milehighfool: RT @KatPowers: You can’t wait for a print deadline, file now; Write with SEO in mind (Use name of town, not just “police said” #editorchat
[21:33:49] SuburbNews: @Hergett I’ll ask him Yes, agree @milehighfool. Challenge is to make them more readable, compelling. Good writing, multimedia #editorchat
[21:33:50] judywriter: @Hergett That’s way too high-brow for me. I’m a NASCAR fan. LOL #editorchat
[21:33:55] jennipps: @KatPowers But at the same time, don’t write SEO for the sake of SEO or it doesn’t sound right. #editorchat
[21:34:09] JMegonigal: @milehighfool As soon as I can get there. #editorchat
[21:34:19] milehighfool: @KatPowers So should today’s writers also be bloggers to learn these sorts of innovations? #editorchat
[21:34:28] deegospel: @Hergett I love “Bird by Bird” #editorchat
[21:34:34] KatPowers: @jennipps But there’s an art to it. #editorchat
[21:34:50] judywriter: @KatPowers The problem is that so few writers understand SEO. And they keep changing what the search engines pick up. #editorchat
[21:34:50] UrbanMuseWriter: @jennipps I think it becomes more natural with practice, but I’ve had to tell clients their SEO goals will destroy good content #editorchat
[21:35:13] KatPowers: @milehighfool I think blogging helps, but a good editor explaining the rules of the road will help most #editorchat
[21:35:16] jennipps: @KatPowers There definitely is that. #editorchat
[21:35:31] KatPowers: @judywriter And that’s why I’m learning from all you folks on twitter. #editorchat
[21:35:34] jennipps: @UrbanMuseWriter Agreed on all counts. You can spot the first SEO articles I did a mile away. lol #editorchat
[21:35:49] deegospel: @milehighfool Maybe not Blog owners, but it wouldn’t hurt for them to guestblog #editorchat
[21:35:50] judywriter: @milehighfool All pub writers should also be bloggers, IMHO. Adds dimension & personality. #editorchat
[21:35:51] milehighfool: @UrbanMuseWriter That officially qualifies you for writing sainthood in my book. #editorchat
[21:36:10] KatPowers: @UrbanMuseWriter I think you’re right that it can stink, but a little SEO goes a long way #editorchat
[21:36:25] UrbanMuseWriter: I won’t put a certain word in every post title just bc you want to rank higher for that word. It has to make sense! #editorchat
[21:36:30] LydiaBreakfast: so should editors start teaching SEO to their writers, or is it up to the writers to get schooled? #editorchat
[21:36:43] milehighfool: @KatPowers Yes. There’s really few things better than having a good editor to guide you. #editorchat
[21:36:46] KatPowers: RT @judywriter @milehighfool All pub writers should also be bloggers, IMHO. Adds dimension & personality. #editorchat
[21:36:56] jennipps: @KatPowers That’s a lesson I had to learn quickly. I’m not saying I’ve completely mastered it, but I feel like I’m getting there #editorchat
[21:37:00] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @KatPowers Yes. There’s really few things better than having a good editor to guide you. #editorchat
[21:37:18] KatPowers: @milehighfool A good editor who makes cookies is best #editorchat
[21:37:20] deegospel: @JMegonigal Yey for Anne Lamotte @Hergrett #editorchat
[21:37:29] SpecialDee: @KatPowers Blogs r community builders. What are blogs? Portals 2 topic-based world of information, comments, links, multimedia? #editorchat
[21:37:36] milehighfool: @KatPowers I agree. All freelancers, especially. Shows off your talent and topical interests to editors. #editorchat
[21:37:41] deegospel: RT @KatPowers: @milehighfool A good editor who makes cookies is best #editorchat
[21:37:41] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast I’d say it’s up to the individual writers to learn SEO. That’s not to say eds can’t point out good resources tho #editorchat
[21:37:50] SpecialDee: @milehighfool It’s the screen flicker that affects the way online content is read AND understood #editorchat http://bit.ly/pTeGm
[21:38:50] JDEbberly: I definitely agree with you Jen that writers need to learn SEO. Lots of great blogs about it. #editorchat
[21:39:05] KatPowers: @SpecialDee Maybe I like them on blogs as that’s how I learned this web stuff #editorchat
[21:39:17] JMegonigal: @jennipps Agreed. SOME editor are leaders and will take it on themselves to teach, train, stretch. Many just have a title. #editorchat
[21:39:31] lauriemeisel: @milehighfool Interesting point re: writers being bloggers. Good bloggers have learned what is needed to keep readers returning #editorchat
[21:39:40] deegospel: Editors should know SEO. I edit for SEM, and let the writer just Write. #editorchat
[21:39:44] joecortez: SEO is proof that you know your audience — and how to interact with them. If you don’t know, better ask somebody! #editorchat
[21:39:45] milehighfool: What about communication tools? Anyone tried creating editorial social networks using tools like Yammer? #editorchat
[21:39:55] KatPowers: @JDEbberly what’s the best blog to send a reporter to to learn SEO? #editorchat
[21:40:17] UrbanMuseWriter: Q4 Lately, I’ve found that the eds I work w/ don’t have a formal style guide. I can read the pub, but clear expectations help #editorchat
[21:40:31] jennipps: @JMegonigal I think relying on eds to teach writers is a mistake. Our initiative is part of what puts us above others query-wise #editorchat
[21:40:32] SpecialDee: Q3 I think long form on the web is fine but it is tied to design: typography, graphics. #editorchat
[21:40:42] JDEbberly: @KatPowers I’ll have to get back to you on that. #editorchat
[21:40:56] deegospel: @KatPowers @skydiver @problogger @chrisbrogran are great starts #editorchat
[21:41:06] milehighfool: Yammer is like a private version of Twitter, BTW. #editorchat
[21:41:30] wordful: If you focus on writing clear, concise and compelling copy, you will naturally write keyword-dense copy. [I stole this statement #editorchat
[21:41:32] AbsoluteWrite: #editorchat We’ve used LJ groups, conference AIM chats, private messageboard rooms, Google docs, and wikis, to good effect
[21:41:38] jennipps: @milehighfool Thanks for that. I’d heard of Yammer but never what it was like/about. #editorchat
[21:41:41] stephauteri: RT @jennipps: I think relying on eds to teach writers is a mistake. Our initiative is part of what puts us above others. #editorchat
[21:41:43] AngEngland: RT @judywriter: @milehighfool All pub writers should also be bloggers, IMHO. Adds dimension & personality. #editorchat
[21:42:10] JDEbberly: @deegospel Yep, @ChrisBrogan and @Problogger are really great at SEO #editorchat
[21:42:16] milehighfool: @joecortez Your audience, or your search engine? Do SEO and audience really correlate that closely? #editorchat
[21:42:16] SpecialDee: Q3 There are different “rules” for what is pleasing to the eye in print and what is pleasing on the web. #editorchat
[21:42:24] shortformernie: @wordful Nice steal! I agree with that completely. #editorchat
[21:42:33] KatPowers: Google groups has worked for a number of us, @milehighfool #editorchat
[21:42:37] anti9to5guide: Have to duck out. My date/dinner is here and I’m still in my robe. Thx for the great chat, folks. #editorchat
[21:43:02] deegospel: @anti9to5guide have a great night. #editorchat
[21:43:04] LydiaBreakfast: @anti9to5guide enjoy the date #editorchat
[21:43:05] RTseo: RT @milehighfool @joecortez your audience, or your search engine? do seo and audience really correlate that closely? #editorchat
[21:43:07] KatPowers: I mean Google Docs. Google Groups? #editorchat
[21:43:23] Hergett: SEO is crucial for eds today, but how to convince privately-held (aka stodgy ) papers it’s necessary is still a challenge for me #editorchat
[21:43:29] JDEbberly: http://chrisbrogan.com and http://problogger.net are great blogs to learn SEO #editorchat
[21:43:35] SpecialDee: Q3 special sections may have 8 pages 2 provide quality articles. Both online and in print = 500 word articles, 750 maximum. #editorchat
[21:43:35] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Have fun. #editorchat
[21:43:36] lauriemeisel: @LydiaBreakfast Both. editors need to know SEO as do effective web writers #editorchat
[21:43:56] KatPowers: @Hergett When your page views are bigger than theirs, they’ll get it #editorchat
[21:44:05] JMegonigal: @jennipps True. Can’t rely. But editors who CAN lead, should. #editorchat
[21:44:08] joecortez: @milehighfool If your audience can’t find you, what good is the content? That being said, writers can also overdose on SEO… #editorchat
[21:44:11] KatPowers: @JDEbberly woot! #editorchat
[21:44:20] AbsoluteWrite: @LydiaBreakfast The problem is excessive SEO SEV keyword-loading can actually count as spam and too often writers Don’t Get It #editorchat
[21:44:24] shortformernie: @anti9to5guide Have a good one! #editorchat
[21:44:28] jennipps: @JMegonigal I have no argument with that. #editorchat
[21:44:34] netta50: RT @lauriemeisel: @LydiaBreakfast Both. editors need to know SEO as do effective web writers #editorchat
[21:44:37] joecortez: @milehighfool Your point is understood though — balancing quality content with SEO is truly a science. #editorchat
[21:44:50] JMegonigal: @milehighfool We are now building an intranet for our writers where they can pick up assignments, get resources, billing, etc. #editorchat
[21:44:59] JaySlacks: I wish writers could spend more time writing and less time on the business end of things. But those days are over. #editorchat
[21:45:01] LydiaBreakfast: Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check? #editorchat
[21:45:11] GetResults: Like RT @JDEbberly I definitely agree w U Jen that writers need 2 learn SEO. Lots of great blogs about it. #editorchat – pitch 2 strength
[21:45:18] LydiaBreakfast: That was Q 5 folks – Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check? #editorchat
[21:45:39] UrbanMuseWriter: @JMegonigal your intranet sounds fantastic – a great central resource for writers! #editorchat
[21:45:41] KatPowers: @JaySlacks I don’t remember a time there wasn’t a biz end to writing #editorchat
[21:45:45] milehighfool: @joecortez I’m sure that’s true. Wish I had a better understanding of it. Seems to be an area where writers can help. #editorchat
[21:46:00] deegospel: @AbsoluteWrite exactly that’s why i edit for SEO and SEM. don’t want writers losing their voice #editorchat
[21:46:27] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: That was Q 5 folks – Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check? #editorchat
[21:46:38] CathyWebSavvyPR: RT @joecortez: @milehighfool Your point is understood though — balancing quality content with SEO is truly a science. #editorchat
[21:47:09] LydiaBreakfast: Switching gears from SEO to sourcing : Q5 Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check? #editorchat
[21:47:15] KatPowers: Q5 @milehighfool the humble link? Keeps a lot of folks honest #editorchat
[21:47:16] milehighfool: Also, an early killjoy warning as Q5 goes out: 10 minutes till we’re back to intros and a link, if you want to post one. #editorchat
[21:47:23] netta50: @JaySlacks Me too. I spend more times sometimes on the biz end than actual writing.#editorchat
[21:47:24] deegospel: RT @LydiaBreakfast: q5: Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check? #editorchat
[21:47:39] JDEbberly: RT @joecortez: @milehighfool Your point is understood though — balancing quality content with SEO is truly a science. #editorchat
[21:47:52] merylkevans: I think many writers who claim to have SEO and SEM expertise really do not. Many don’t even know the difference between them. #editorchat
[21:48:26] jennipps: Q5 – I’m on the lookout for additional sourcing sites other than HARO. I use Twitter some for this… #editorchat
[21:48:38] milehighfool: @KatPowers A link rather than a pitch. So if you have a site or a blog, tell us. #editorchat
[21:49:03] jennipps: @merylkevans I admit I need to learn about SEM. #editorchat
[21:49:24] merylkevans: Q5: Social networks. Blogs, LinkedIn, Twitter. #editorchat
[21:49:43] milehighfool: @merylkevans (Raises hand.) I don’t know the difference. #editorchat
[21:50:10] merylkevans: @jennipps The problem is that SEM is about buying ads & keywords, not writing. I wrote about the difference – tough article. #editorchat
[21:50:25] LydiaBreakfast: @milehighfool difference between “optimization” and “marketing” #editorchat
[21:50:41] UrbanMuseWriter: Q5 Anyone used PitchRate.com? Sounds similar to HARO but I haven’t tried it #editorchat
[21:50:45] LydiaBreakfast: paid vs. free #editorchat
[21:50:52] JaySlacks: @netta50 I think part of that is our impatience as writers. We want recognition badly. Good writing takes decades, not years. #editorchat
[21:51:24] netta50: @jennipps Twitter is a great gateway. #editorchat
[21:51:44] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Which is which? Paid / free? #editorchat
[21:51:55] milehighfool: @JaySlacks True. And that’s discouraging for a lot of would-be writers who don’t want to enjoy the journey. #editorchat
[21:52:02] LydiaBreakfast: @JaySlacks Agreed – did you read Gladwell’s Outliers? He argues it takes 10K hours to become really good at anything #editorchat
[21:52:04] merylkevans: @UrbanMuseWriter Q5: PitchRate is nice. It’s a web site and you can receive emails. Also media kitty, but not completely free. #editorchat
[21:52:04] netta50: @JaySlacks Agreed. That’s part of it. The other part is earning a living as you go. Balance is hard to find. #editorchat
[21:52:18] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR SEO free, SEM pay #editorchat
[21:52:41] CathyWebSavvyPR: RT @merylkevans: Q5: Social networks. Blogs, LinkedIn, Twitter. #editorchat
[21:52:51] milehighfool: On Q5: Has anyone successfully used FB for sourcing? LinkedIn? #editorchat
[21:52:55] LydiaBreakfast: RT @netta50 Agreed. That’s part of it. The other part is earning a living as you go. Balance is hard to find. AMEN! #editorchat
[21:53:02] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR SEO free, SEM pay #editorchat
[21:53:11] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast K. Thanks. #editorchat
[21:53:22] bacigalupe: Following the #editorchat discussion, hard to respond quickly with my itouch, thank you all for the great ideas on lenght and scope
[21:53:33] JaySlacks: @KatPowers But there was a time where the writing was more important than the business. That’s gone, sadly. #editorchat
[21:53:33] jennipps: @milehighfool Facebook, never. LinkedIn, I’ve gotten close but it didn’t work out. #editorchat
[21:53:44] JMegonigal: @milehighfool We used LinkedIN recently. VERY efficient. Cut the column time by 75% easy. #editorchat
[21:53:50] UrbanMuseWriter: @milehighfool HARO grew out of a FB group & I used it when it was on FB #editorchat
[21:54:01] merylkevans: SEO – organic… drives your site’s pages to higher results on search engines. SEP – paid placement and lots of testing. #editorchat
[21:54:10] bacigalupe: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Facebook is too slow after using twitter. Fan and group pages are static and don’t invite discussion #editorchat
[21:54:20] merylkevans: @merylkevans That’s SEM not SEP! #editorchat
[21:54:28] netta50: It’s the rare non-fiction writer that doesn’t indulge in their fiction habit. Fiction takes longer; NF pays the bills. #editorchat
[21:54:47] DavisFreeberg: @milehighfool I’ve used LinkedIn b4. Glassdoor is also good resource. My fav though is reverse server searches via yougotsignal #editorchat
[21:54:52] milehighfool: Where else? Name one great must-use source before we close. #editorchat
[21:55:07] JBMovies: @merylkevans I don’t pay for ppl to visit my site. Everything based on ppl conversing with me, or PR #editorchat
[21:55:09] judywriter: @milehighfool Q5. I’ve found twitter to be exceptional for sources, FB not much, LinkedIn for prof colleagues. #editorchat
[21:55:12] UrbanMuseWriter: @UrbanMuseWriter Sometimes I’ll post a FB status update about the sources I need. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. #editorchat
[21:55:23] milehighfool: My favorite is the news sites of the popular analyst firms. NPD, comScore, etc. #editorchat
[21:55:28] jennipps: @netta50 Hee. I can vouch for that. I’m dusting off my short fiction & sending it out. Got a rejection today. Onward & upward. #editorchat
[21:55:40] deegospel: q5: @milehighfool i used LinkedIn when I’m building content for Trade Journal. for entertainment mags photobloggers are a help #editorchat
[21:55:40] merylkevans: @milehighfool Good old fashioned Internet research. #editorchat
[21:55:50] JaySlacks: @LydiaBreakfast Most of the best writers weren’t writers when they were writing. The writing came later, raw and brilliant. #editorchat
[21:55:55] Colgo: @milehighfool I used LinkedIn for info – asked same q on FB, Twitter; best response on LinkedIn despite being smallest network #editorchat
[21:56:02] KatPowers: I write about a city, so this is over my head. I use a phone book. Q5 #editorchat
[21:56:03] lauriemeisel: @milehighfool Q5 Haven’t personally but work with an editor who successfully used LinkedIn for sourcing. #editorchat
[21:56:06] judywriter: @JMegonigal What’s your secret to using LinkedIn? I have 200+ contacts & still find Twitter much better. #editorchat
[21:56:11] milehighfool: For people, I like specialist sites: GameSpy or the discussion boards at Fool.com. #editorchat
[21:56:38] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: For people, I like specialist sites: GameSpy or the discussion boards at Fool.com. #editorchat
[21:56:44] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Q5 Sourcing on FB? Not yet but lots of chatter w/colleagues. #editorchat
[21:57:01] milehighfool: We’re at the time, folks. Four minutes to go so, if you want, re-intro yourself and post a link. #editorchat
[21:57:09] netta50: Twitter trends, Google trends, morning news #editorchat
[21:57:11] CathyWebSavvyPR: @judywriter On linked in – one key to reaching people is to ask and answer questions both on mian site and w/in groups #editorchat
[21:57:26] deegospel: @AbsoluteWrite True. Readers will disconnect easy and You don’t want to lose their loyalty. #editorchat
[21:57:43] milehighfool: And while you’re doing that I have a public service announcement. We’re thinking of upgrading editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat
[21:57:59] JaySlacks: @milehighfool Our society has supported the Arts since when? 60s? 70s? Writers can’t write if they are networking constantly #editorchat
[21:58:00] JMegonigal: @judywriter I find L.I. to have a higher “credibility” bc of the amount of info. For my purposes, much better. #editorchat
[21:58:02] LydiaBreakfast: Almost ready to wrap so, if you want, re-intro yourself and post a link. #editorchat
[21:58:12] jennipps: Jen Nipps, fl writer in s Oklahoma. New article up on TutorialBlog – www.tutorialblog.org/author/jen-nipps. Also new @OWFI PR #editorchat
[21:58:17] CathyWebSavvyPR: RT @JMegonigal: @judywriter I find L.I. to have a higher “credibility” bc of the amount of info. For my purposes, much better. #editorchat
[21:58:18] JDEbberly: JD Ebberly hailing from N VA, writes about blogging & new media. The only link U need is http://editorchat.wordpress.com/ #editorchat
[21:58:22] JMegonigal: @judywriter I created a group for the mag; then set Discussions on that group to get sources/info. #editorchat
[21:58:29] judywriter: @CathyWebSavvyPR OK, I’ll give it another chance. thanks! #editorchat
[21:58:35] deegospel: @milehighfool q5: I do use Facebook. I have a box on there. I tell them what articles I’m working on & they connect #editorchat
[21:58:40] shortformernie: @milehighfool Howso? #editorchat
[21:58:47] stephauteri: Oy. I had nothin’ those last 2 qs. C’est la vie. Thanks for the chat everyone! I’m a writer for Nerve and other fine pubs. #editorchat
[21:58:49] jennipps: RT @JaySlacks @milehighfool Our society has supported the Arts since when? 60s? 70s? Writers can’t write if they are networking #editorchat
[21:58:52] Hergett: @milehighfool I have effectively used FB for sourcing a couple times, especially locally where I have mutual contacts. #editorchat
[21:58:52] merylkevans: ID is my name and the article I mentioned on SEO/SEM is here: http://bit.ly/WIlIV #editorchat
[21:58:56] judywriter: @JMegonigal I can understand that. #editorchat
[21:59:02] UrbanMuseWriter: Thx, all! I’m Susan, a Boston-based business/lifestyle writer who blogs at www.UrbanMuseWriter.com #editorchat
[21:59:03] KatPowers: editing a weekly paper and an online daily at http://www.wickedlocal.com/somerville outside Boston #editorchat
[21:59:07] SuburbNews: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Thanks for another lovely chat. Now time to get my kids in bed (way past bed time, ugh) #editorchat
[21:59:10] milehighfool: If you’d be at all open to donating a few bucks to help with the cost, DM or @reply to me or Lydia. #editorchat
[21:59:19] netta50: RT @JaySlacks: @milehighfool Our society has supported the Arts since 60′sWriters can’t write if they are networking constantly #editorchat
[21:59:21] shortformernie: Ernie Smith, Designer Wash. Post Express, editor ShortFormBlog (http://shortformblog.com) AND NO I DON’T HATE LONG FORM! #editorchat
[21:59:33] jennipps: @merylkevans Thanks for the link, Meryl. #editorchat
[21:59:42] CathyWebSavvyPR: @milehighfool are you bringing it over to wordpress.org on it’s own URL? #editorchat
[21:59:47] JMegonigal: Jordana Megonigal, editor-in-chief of a business pub in Greenville, S.C. www.InsideBlackBox.com #editorchat
[21:59:57] milehighfool: @shortformernie Clean up the stly, load pages faster, etc. #editorchat
[21:59:58] JDEbberly: Thanks for another FABULOUS chat, @milehighfool & @LydiaBreakfast and everyone at Editorchat, week after riveting week ! #editorchat
[22:00:03] judywriter: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast This really isn’t fair. I didn’t intend to stay for the whole chat. Thx for great session! #editorchat
[22:00:24] jennipps: @milehighfool If you can take PayPal, I can/will. #editorchat
[22:00:33] deegospel: Dee Stewart blogger, pr pro, mag editor, former journalist. Atlanta. read my profile. this was my first time here. had fun. #editorchat
[22:00:35] shortformernie: I faded out a little at the end there but tonight was a really good chat, guys. Feel free to follow me @shortformblog or here. #editorchat
[22:00:38] joecortez: Thanks for a great chat! Joe Cortez, Freelance Writer/Multimedia Producer for Hire! Latest Project: http://tinyurl.com/cn88vd #editorchat
[22:00:57] JaySlacks: @netta50 That’s interesting. I think fiction requires a strong and powerful distraction sometimes. #editorchat
[22:00:59] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for another great chat! Back to the pollen in Iow-ay for me. #editorchat
[22:00:59] milehighfool: @judywriter Glad you could make it. Thanks to all. Keep going if you’d like but we’re about out of here. #editorchat
[22:01:06] LydiaBreakfast: @joecortez Thanks Joe #editorchat
[22:01:15] SpecialDee: Q5: LinkedIn discussion and QandA areas are great resources. #editorchat
[22:01:21] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie Thanks Ernie #editorchat
[22:01:30] ohmgee: re-intro: martin gee: lurker, art director of oregon business magazine, former newspaper designer (merc). tweets @nwspprscppln #editorchat
[22:01:32] joecortez: Much thanks and appreciation to @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast for hosting another wonderful session! #editorchat
[22:01:44] Hergett: Rachel Hergett, reporter/editor Bozeman Daily Chronicle. http://www.dailychronicle.com/ & http://www.linkedin.com/pub/12/b9b/26 #editorchat
[22:01:51] jennipps: Great chat. Sorry I missed most of it. Actually almost completely forgot about it. Too wild a weekend at the conference I guess. #editorchat
[22:01:52] LydiaBreakfast: @ohmgee Thanks Martin, please join us again #editorchat
[22:01:57] CathyWebSavvyPR: Travel writer from se PA & location/attraction photographer (PR pro & blogger 2 but the walls between the 2 are inviolate) #editorchat
[22:01:58] judywriter: @JMegonigal Congrats on being so forward-looking & innovative. Clearly it’s working! #editorchat
[22:02:00] KatPowers: Indeed. You folks rock #editorchat
[22:02:01] JDEbberly: Transcripts of tonight’s chat can be found at http://editorchat.wordpress.com/ & http://twemes.com/editorchat #editorchat
[22:02:03] merylkevans: This is one of my two fave chats. Thanks, @lydiabreakfast and @milehighfool for another winner. #editorchat
[22:02:07] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Glad you came Rachel #editorchat
[22:02:18] netta50: Freelance writer/editor, and you can find me on www.wordwebbing.com. Great chat, as usual, thanks Tim and Lydia! #editorchat
[22:02:24] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans Thanks for coming #editorchat
[22:02:38] lauriemeisel: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Thanks for having this newbie. Learned a lot! #editorchat
[22:02:39] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers As do you, our chatters #editorchat
[22:02:58] milehighfool: @merylkevans Thanks much. These are always fun and informative for us. #editorchat
[22:03:01] wendyperrin: Another late night at the office. Finally on the train headed home . . . & find out I’ve missed #editorchat yet again. Drat.
[22:03:40] JDEbberly: @jennipps That must have been one memorable conference, Jen! Glad you enjoyed it! #editorchat
[22:03:47] milehighfool: @wendyperrin You’ll make it one of these days. Thanks for the sentiment. We appreciate it. #editorchat
[22:03:53] LydiaBreakfast: @wendyperrin sorry you missed it, we would like to hear from you sometime #editorchat
[22:04:00] CathyWebSavvyPR: Thanks @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast for running a great chat – I mostly listened in – #editorchat
[22:04:15] LydiaBreakfast: @lauriemeisel Glad you came #editorchat
[22:04:19] deegospel: @LydiaBreakfast thanks for inviting me. i had fun #editorchat
[22:04:21] SpecialDee: Thanks @LydiaBreakfast and @milehighfool for hosting #editorchat Always learn much!
[22:04:31] KatPowers: @wendyperrin RT @JDEbberly Transcripts of tonight’s chat can be found at http://editorchat.wordpress.com/ & http://twemes.com/ed #editorchat
[22:04:41] LydiaBreakfast: @deegospel you are most welcome #editorchat
[22:04:56] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Ms Dee, thank you! #editorchat
[22:05:24] JMegonigal: @judywriter Thank you. That’s sweet. #editorchat
[22:05:46] netta50: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast Always interesting and fabulous. Thanks. #editorchat
[22:05:59] AbsoluteWrite: #editorchat thanks, all. As always, was interesting and excellent food for thought
[22:06:12] JMegonigal: Good night. Thanks again to @lydiabreakfast and @milehighfool for a great #editorchat
[22:06:39] LydiaBreakfast: Thanks all for coming, your co-host Lydia Dishman, freelance features writer for business, travel, food and style (and more!) #editorchat
[22:07:02] judywriter: @milehighfool Will you take a contribution via PayPal? #editorchat
[22:07:07] milehighfool: Great work, all. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, freelance writer of big ideas: http://timbeyers.com #editorchat
[22:07:37] shortformernie: @lydiabreakfast @milehighfool Thanks for the great work as always guys! #editorchat
[22:08:04] LydiaBreakfast: public service announcement: We’re thinking of upgrading editorchat.wordpress.com, DM us if you’d like to donate and help out #editorchat

We’re back to innovation this week as Amazon unveils its large format Kindle DX, billed as a potential savior of the newspaper industry. We’re not so sure. No doubt publishers are looking for ways to be more innovative, but we’re in the trenches.  What are you doing to move into this next era of publishing?  We want to talk about what has worked, and some things you may have tried recently that haven’t.

Specifically we’re wondering:

Has anyone found a good way to do long form writing?

Editors, what are you doing to engage and work more effectively with writers?

Freelancers, have you changed how you do your queries?

Writers, what have you done to further engage readers?

Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check?

If you have any other questions, please add them in the comments section and we’ll try to discuss them tonight at 8:30pm EST.

Julia Angwin of The Wall Street Journal joins us as guest moderator tonight.

[20:32:26] milehighfool: Rule No. 1 Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:32:56] milehighfool: Rule No. 2 Stay on topic. #editorchat

[20:32:57] jimmcbee: @LydiaBreakfast Exponentially more fun. Logarithmically, even. #editorchat

[20:33:11] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Hi Jen glad you could make it stay as long as you can, this is going to be great! #editorchat

[20:33:24] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat

[20:33:26] KatPowers: will join #editorchat as soon as 4 yr old stops tantrumming

[20:33:28] mariaelenaduron: Grateful 2 join in on the chat 2nite! Am looking 4ward 2 gr8 convo, tips, + advice. Followers will B noisy w/lots of value! #editorchat

[20:33:36] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee whoa don’t go getting all quadratic equations on me #editorchat

[20:33:45] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:34:15] JDEbberly: @LydiaBreakfast @jimmcbee LOL on the quadratics #Editorchat

[20:34:19] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers take your time we’ll be here until 10pm EST #editorchat

[20:34:19] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Definitely. I might leave Tweetchat open & check in from time to time. #editorchat

[20:34:26] milehighfool: @KatPowers Tantrumrunning at 4? Sigh. Our youngest just turned 4. #editorchat

[20:35:09] bikelady: Hi there. I’ve not yet participated in this but figured I’d give it a try. I write about business, travel and self-help. #editorchat

[20:36:05] milehighfool: @bikelady Glad you could make it. Good night for you to join us with Julia Angwin here. #editorchat

[20:36:15] LydiaBreakfast: @bikelady Thanks for joining, welcome. #editorchat

[20:36:44] milehighfool: For those who haven’t yet seen, Julia’s new book, “Stealing MySpace,” is here: http://bit.ly/15mS3W #editorchat

[20:37:12] jimmcbee: How’s this: editorchat > writing about medical coding. OK, I’m all math’d out. #editorchat

[20:37:18] JDEbberly: @bikelady Editorchat exptends a warm welcome to you, Jackie ! #Editorchat

[20:38:03] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:31] jennipps: @JuliaAngwin Sounds…interesting? Thank you for joining us! #editorchat

[20:39:01] jg_rat: Sitting here editing a website. Gosh I’m glad I’m not outside in the Aussie autumn sunlight, under that terrible blue sky #editorchat

[20:39:21] JuliaAngwin: Greetings, thanks for the shout-out Tim. And thanks to all of you for inviting me – excited to be here. #editorchat

[20:39:49] edwardboches: is julia going to start this off? pov or questions? #editorchat

[20:40:05] milehighfool: @jg_rat You know you want to be here. Admit it. You can’t resist. #editorchat

[20:40:09] jimmcbee: Great to have you here, Julia. #editorchat

[20:40:32] JuliaAngwin: I want to discuss online identity – Do you have multiple online identities for your writing life and other parts of your life? #editorchat

[20:40:41] LydiaBreakfast: @edwardboches Julia is going to ask the Qs tonight #editorchat

[20:40:45] jg_rat: @milehighfool You’re right. Here’s my favourite story of the day: Man-eating mice attack: http://tinyurl.com/cw9873 #editorchat

[20:40:47] JDEbberly: RT @JuliaAngwin: Greetings, thanks for the shout-out Tim. And thanks to all of you for inviting me – excited to be here. #editorchat #Ed …

[20:41:02] KatPowers: OK, and 4 year old takes threat to take away Spiderman shoes seriously. Now watching #editorchat #editorchat

[20:41:32] milehighfool: RT Q1: Do you have multiple online identities for your writing life and other parts of your life? #editorchat

[20:42:00] milehighfool: @jg_rat Oh. My. #editorchat

[20:42:07] jennipps: @JuliaAngwin Q1 – I used to have multiple IDs online, but a few years ago, I consolidated them all into JenNipps. #editorchat

[20:42:13] edwardboches: as a blogger, social media enthusiast, pr practitioner and content creator, i have one. consistency, voice, reputation importnt #editorchat

[20:42:20] LydiaBreakfast: Reminder, refer to the Q number when responding #editorchat

[20:42:55] JDEbberly: Q1: I have had multiple online identities in the past, particularly around 2000-2003 #Editorchat

[20:43:25] LydiaBreakfast: @JDEbberly and then what happened? #editorchat

[20:43:30] jennipps: Q1 – There are still a few remnants of my other ID around, though, on sites I didn’t want to start over with. #editorchat

[20:43:31] jg_rat: Q1 jg_rat used to be my seekrit identity, but he seems to have taken over my personal and professional life #editorchat

[20:43:35] JuliaAngwin: @jennipps Do you miss the old separations of identity? #editorchat

[20:43:41] jimmcbee: q1: Never gave it much thought till it came up here in your absence, Julia. I mainly try to be me, for good or ill. #editorchat

[20:43:46] milehighfool: @edwardboches Isn’t voice different from identity, though? Voice is a style, identity is a presence. #editorchat

[20:43:46] KatPowers: Q1 I have the misfortune to have the same name as a band, so sometimes I’m under a mommy alias for my email #editorchat #editorchat

[20:44:36] JDEbberly: @LydiaBreakfast My interests gradually changed and I settled on JD Ebberly who is into social media/new media and blogging #Editorchat

[20:44:44] SpecialDee: Just got home from Poetry class. Special Sections editor, Lewiston-Auburn, Maine. #editorchat

[20:44:50] jennipps: @JuliaAngwin I did at first. But now I feel like I have a more complete image of me and I don’t have to remember what goes where #editorchat

[20:45:10] ptrcrown: RT Q1: I write, blog, edit in a personal style… find I can’t keep up with more than one identity. #editorchat

[20:45:31] mguerard: If you’re tweeting to friends as well as tweeting for your job, it’s a good idea to have separate identieies. #editorchat

[20:45:37] LydiaBreakfast: I’m curious as to why everyone felt they needed separate identities? For work vs. personal? Or different writing styles? #editorchat

[20:46:04] LydiaBreakfast: @mguerard Hey Marcia, so glad you are joining us again #editorchat

[20:46:10] bikelady: For Q1, I’d have to say yes and no. I’m working on pulling them all together. Takes careful thought. #editorchat

[20:46:24] SpecialDee: Q1: I use one online personality – me! Might have different usernames though. One voice. #editorchat

[20:46:27] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Poetry class, a most worthy pursuit. Thanks for joining us #editorchat

[20:46:27] JuliaAngwin: Lots of feedback of people with one identity: you don’t feel locked into this one image of yourself? #editorchat

[20:46:36] JDEbberly: @LydiaBreakfast For me, it was different writing styles and for diff. audiences back in 2002 #Editorchat

[20:46:41] milehighfool: @bikelady What steps are you taking to pull them together? #editorchat

[20:46:53] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast I had separate IDs for writing & personal/fun forums. Then I got out of a lot of the fun forums. #editorchat

[20:46:58] BaileyMcC: Obama presser + #editorchat = ton’s o’ tweets.

[20:47:08] wetzeledit: I thought about blogging anonymously to keep separate from professional life but figure it’s too late and me is me anyway. #editorchat

[20:47:22] jimmcbee: q1: so far have resisted mild temptation to set up ‘professional’ ‘brand’ separate from my usual smartass self. #editorchat

[20:47:25] ErikSherman: Tuning in for a short time (book deadline nagging) – freelance writer/editor/photographer/bill collector in Mass. #editorchat

[20:47:29] CarlosV: young aspiring magazine editor here.. any tips or/and suggestions will be appreciated! #editorchat

[20:47:33] milehighfool: @JenetDechary So, for example, you aren’t using Twitter and Facebook and MySpace? Everything in one place? #editorchat

[20:47:37] JuliaAngwin: Some academics call this the “unitary identity” that the Internet forces us into – it doesn’t allow us to escape our past. #editorchat

[20:47:39] elyssaeast: Q1: Hi y’all I’m new here . I think one identity is best. It can and should be multi-faceted, as we all are. #editorchat

[20:47:39] edwardboches: @milehighfool true. but content, voice, pov, info I provide all determine value and or trustworthiness, if nothing to hide 1 id #editorchat

[20:47:58] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Hello Mr. Sherman many thanks for coming #editorchat

[20:48:01] wetzeledit: My identity is the same but my expression of it is evolving. #editorchat

[20:48:04] mguerard: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks. I would keep separate identities because my employer undoubtedly does not agree with me on things. #editorchat

[20:48:05] bikelady: For Q2, @LydiaBreakfast’s Q, I’ve had separate identities for my speaking and writing careers, and diff specialties. #editorchat

[20:48:19] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Thanks for joining, Erik. We’re into the identity side of last week’s brand discussion. #editorchat

[20:48:22] jennipps: @JuliaAngwin No, because my interests are so varied that no one finds it odd or thinks I “shouldn’t” do something b/c of persona #editorchat

[20:48:28] JDEbberly: @elyssaeast Welcome to Editorchat, Elyssa! We’re glad you’ve joined us tonight! #Editorchat

[20:48:43] LydiaBreakfast: RT @wetzeledit My identity is the same but my expression of it is evolving. -Well said. #editorchat

[20:48:47] JuliaAngwin: @wetzeledit Very nicely put. #editorchat

[20:48:55] milehighfool: RT @JuliaAngwin: Some academics call this the “unitary identity” that the Internet forces us into. #editorchat

[20:49:01] edwardboches: what i say or subjects presented on different blogs, twitter, FB, etc may be different, but from same “brand” #editorchat

[20:49:46] ptrcrown: Q2 There is no escape, really. Only denial. #editorchat

[20:49:47] elyssaeast: “Unitary identity” that’s quite a ringer! It is hard to figure out how to approach, at least initially. #editorchat

[20:49:55] jimmcbee: q1: When visualeditors.com was getting started, founder requested that people use real IDs to avoid anonymous snipery. Worked. #editorchat

[20:50:02] JuliaAngwin: RT @wetzeledit My identity is the same but my expression of it is evolving.- Q: Is society tolerant of evolution? #editorchat

[20:50:03] edwardboches: you may act differently at party, office, town meeting, but you are the same person, yes? online no different. #editorchat

[20:50:16] LydiaBreakfast: @edwardboches which is where it gets interesting, where does person end and brand begin? #editorchat

[20:50:55] sairy: @edwardboches I’m the same way; I’ve found in particular that for me, it’s best not to automate twitter-to-facebook feeds. #editorchat

[20:51:07] milehighfool: @edwardboches No question. But to Julia’s point re: academics — doesn’t you past follow both off and online? #editorchat

[20:51:38] wetzeledit: @JuliaAngwin Can you restate your followup Q? Not sure I understand. #editorchat

[20:51:49] BaileyMcC: RT @edwardboches: you may act differently at party, office, town meeting, but you are the same person, yes? online no different. #editorchat

[20:51:55] ErikSherman: @LydiaBreakfast I think there is only the person and how you do business and your aspirations. Same for companies. #editorchat

[20:51:58] bikelady: @milehighfool For Q3 @milehighfool, I work at thinking more strategically. How does this relate to “bikelady”? I ask. #editorchat

[20:52:05] milehighfool: @JuliaAngwin Not just society. How about readers? Or, for that matter, editors? Is it good to evolve as a writer? #editorchat

[20:52:12] LydiaBreakfast: RT @juliaangwin Q2: Is society tolerant of evolution? of online identities converging? #editorchat

[20:52:14] elyssaeast: @JDEbberly Thanks for the welcome #editorchat

[20:52:15] mguerard: But I sometimes tweet silly things to make people laugh, and then news because I work for a newspaper. Would not want them mixed #editorchat

[20:52:58] ErikSherman: @mguerard I think people can figure the difference between goofing around and serious content. #editorchat

[20:53:11] wetzeledit: Seems like everything is converging to be online. So isn’t some evolution inevitable as we all figure it out? #editorchat

[20:53:17] milehighfool: @mguerard Right. The ever-present conflict between work and personal life. Takes root digitally, as well. #editorchat

[20:53:23] JuliaAngwin: Question: Our identity evolves, but does our online audience tolerate the switch? e.g. if we suddenly switch our writing topics #editorchat

[20:53:29] jennipps: Q2 – In some cases, I think its expected that the two would converge. Ex.: It seems celebs don’t/can’t have anonymous IDs online #editorchat

[20:53:40] sairy: @milehighfool after experimenting a lot, I find there’s not much tolerance for making dramatic shifts; separate feeds help there #editorchat

[20:53:52] JDEbberly: @wetzeledit I agree with @wetzeledit Re: Q2 #Editorchat

[20:54:01] jkwill10: Q1: I don’t intentionally brand myself but I hope people like what I do (but there are a lot of Jeff Williams’ out there) #editorchat

[20:54:02] mguerard: @ErikSherman Readers can tell the difference, but the owner of the brand — my newspaper — would not be amused. #editorchat

[20:54:20] milehighfool: RT @JuliaAngwin: Question: Our identity evolves, but does our online audience tolerate the switch? #editorchat

[20:54:30] jimmcbee: q2: Re: evolution. Resistance is futile. We all grow and change. Shucks, look how fast Web sites come and go. Ephemera. #editorchat

[20:54:34] elizabethbarr: I think there’s a lot of flexibility when you’re writing for an online audience. They are quicker to discern tone and identity. #editorchat

[20:54:51] milehighfool: @jkwill10 Hey Jeff. You’re back. it’s been a while. #editorchat

[20:54:57] LydiaBreakfast: @jkwill10 good point Jeff, doesn’t having a common name almost beg for creating a different identity to set yourself apart? #editorchat

[20:55:12] elyssaeast: There is also the comment thread & people’s reactions, which can enhance or impede identity management. #editorchat

[20:55:14] milehighfool: @sairy Separate feeds for your readers, in other words? #editorchat

[20:55:14] edwardboches: in early days, people were reluctant to reveal true id. now since everyone is there, it seems not only OK, but important #editorchat

[20:55:22] littlebrownpen: @elizabethbarr I agree. Online audiences are more forgiving of our multiple personalities. #editorchat

[20:55:45] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Hi Nichole good to see you! #editorchat

[20:55:50] BaileyMcC: If you’re open with your audience about the potential variety of your content, people tend to tolerate earlier on #editorchat

[20:55:52] ErikSherman: @mguerard Ah, true – that’s where I have an advantage not being on staff. #editorchat

[20:55:59] sairy: @juliaangwin I’ve found online is like offline; I started a personal blog focused on tech, but when I diverged, I lost readers #editorchat

[20:56:11] JDEbberly: RT @littlebrownpen: @elizabethbarr I agree. Online audiences are more forgiving of our multiple personalities. #editorchat #Editorchat

[20:56:21] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast You too! Just returned from Paris. I was out of commission due to eclair overload. #editorchat

[20:56:30] milehighfool: @elizabethbarr Agreed. As an online writer myself, I’d argue a well-understood identity is critical. Draw ‘em in fast. #editorchat

[20:56:36] mguerard: @ErikSherman Give it time, I’ll probably have that advantage soon myself! #editorchat

[20:56:38] ErikSherman: @JuliaAngwin I think you have to try to bring them along, otherwise you’re stuck in what you’ve always done. Dreadful. #editorchat

[20:56:41] JuliaAngwin: Q: Does mixing personal and professional add to authenticity? Is that worth the risk? #editorchat

[20:56:51] edwardboches: name and identity: are they the same. as long as consistent and real id obvious somehow, behind handle, ok, no? #editorchat

[20:56:59] jimmcbee: Julia, you look from a higher vantage point than I. Do you find that fame puts fetters on online personality? #editorchat

[20:57:11] KatPowers: I actually have had readers tell my younger writers they expect them to share who they are #editorchat ie cyclist, vegetarian, etc

[20:57:15] bikelady: @JuliaAngwin To your audience @, I don’t think audience knows/cares whether U write about more than one topic/specialty. Do U? #editorchat

[20:57:16] ptrcrown: ? Do you regard a nickname or “handle” as an identity? #editorchat

[20:57:17] bacigalupe: @JuliaAngwin in this environment, audience has the ability to quickly become involved in the process, thus more accountability #editorchat

[20:57:21] LanceUlanoff: @JuliaAngwin It’s not whether they tolerate it, it’s whether or not you still have an audience listening to you. #editorchat

[20:57:21] edwardboches: what about search? don’t you want your content and blog and articles to be found? #editorchat

[20:57:27] LydiaBreakfast: Q3: Does mixing personal and professional add to authenticity? Is that worth the risk?RT @JuliaAngwin #editorchat

[20:57:27] creditmatters: RT @JuliaAngwin Our identity evolves, but does our online audience tolerate the switch? e.g. we suddenly swtch our writng topics #editorchat

[20:57:27] milehighfool: RT @JuliaAngwin: Q: Does mixing personal and professional add to authenticity? Is that worth the risk? #editorchat

[20:57:53] JuliaAngwin: @jimmcbee My vantage point is not quite as high as fame. But agree that higher perch means farther to fall. #editorchat

[20:58:00] sairy: @JuliaAngwin on twitter, a little personal adds to authenticity, as in blogs; too much though, you lose followers/readers #editorchat

[20:58:03] elyssaeast: The difference between authenticity and transparency sometimes gets blurred, #editorchat.

[20:58:12] LydiaBreakfast: Q3 the bigger the celeb (film, book, TV, journo) the more important it becomes to also show the real side #editorchat

[20:58:16] ErikSherman: @sairy It may be that you need to stay focused within the same vehicle. #editorchat

[20:58:32] meghanmbiro: @edwardboches I encourage people to keep online=”real” personality. If no-not a truly authentic/as compelling a brand? #editorchat

[20:58:32] jkwill10: @LydiaBreakfast luckily for me, I am not interested in national branding. Everyone knows Jeff in Wisconsin Rapids #editorchat

[20:58:48] AmySueNathan: @milehighfool I think personal and professional adds credibility – as long as you’re not blogging with a lampshade on your head. #editorchat

[20:58:48] LanceUlanoff: @ptrcrown I do, but am always happier when people rep themselves with their real name. I do it myself for that reason. #editorchat

[20:58:51] JuliaAngwin: @elyssaeast somewhere in between authenticity and transparency is the world of oversharing! #editorchat

[20:59:05] milehighfool: @LanceUlanoff Glad you could make it, Lance. Depends on the outlet, don’t you think? The Motley Fool embraces the personal . #editorchat

[20:59:08] jimmcbee: q3: I think stripping personality out of newspapers is part of what’s hurt them. Seem elitist. We shouldn’t repeat that error. #editorchat

[20:59:17] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool It’s an interesting dance. But I am more drawn to blogs that reflect the author’s real life, points of view, etc. #editorchat

[20:59:20] sairy: @ErikSherman I think you’re right, or create multiple identities – I have various blogs & twitter feeds for diff. purposes. #editorchat

[20:59:27] edwardboches: Q3. seems people want to know the creator of content, blog, journalist, etc. as an individual, so personal and pro OK #editorchat

[20:59:28] milehighfool: @AmySueNathan How could they see if you were? #editorchat

[20:59:33] LydiaBreakfast: @JuliaAngwin well said. Oversharing is the new TMI #editorchat

[20:59:47] BaileyMcC: what are u doing in your prof life that being a real person poses a sig. risk? Short of CIA pretty sure everyone should be cool #editorchat

[20:59:50] elyssaeast: @JuliaAngwin Yes so where do we find that balance. The culture has trended towards over-sharing. #editorchat

[20:59:54] mrinaldesai: Q: Does mixing personal n professional add to authenticity? worth the risk? #editorchat (via @JuliaAngwin) the best if u have 1 identity

[21:00:01] ErikSherman: @JuliaAngwin I think authenticity comes from being honest in your work and thinking. #editorchat

[21:00:27] elizabethbarr: @JuliaAngwin @elyssaeast My instinct is the same re oversharing, but then how to explain success of Dooce or Penelope Trunk? #editorchat

[21:00:30] sairy: I do find that Facebook is the most open online loc for showing your true colors (i.e. all interests) when sharing with people #editorchat

[21:00:31] LanceUlanoff: @LydiaBreakfast I’d say it lends an authenticity to whatever you’re writing. It also helps people connect to what you write. #editorchat

[21:00:32] JuliaAngwin: @mrinaldesai Glad to see you here! #editorchat

[21:00:46] jkwill10: Being personal is crucial for authenticity. Besides, I love talking to people about my writing at Home Depot #editorchat

[21:00:48] edwardboches: q3 you can show your human personal side w/o giving away too much personal data #editorchat

[21:00:55] SpecialDee: Q2: I think society is tolerant of evolution-it’s easier 2 go w/the flow. Sometimes no choice. Like 2 see both sides of peeps. #editorchat

[21:00:57] JDEbberly: RT @ErikSherman: @JuliaAngwin I think authenticity comes from being honest in your work and thinking. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:01:04] sairy: @milehighfool yes, separate feeds I think works for a lot of writers I know #editorchat

[21:01:20] ErikSherman: @LanceUlanoff That makes sense – it would be like an automotive mag suddenly covering fine art. #editorchat

[21:01:38] SuburbNews: Lisa Sink, reporter @ Milw Journal Sentinel jumping in. Great points, @sairy. Trying to figure out how much personal is too much #editorchat

[21:01:42] LydiaBreakfast: @elizabethbarr Dooce got there first. And frankly, I think her style doesn’t wear well after a while. #editorchat

[21:01:43] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen Right. How do create an identity if you share nothing at all? As a writer, there’s more risk in being coy. #editorchat

[21:01:49] Jfavreau: I think you need to be aware of your audience! I tweet and post status messages based more on my audience. #editorchat

[21:01:59] mrinaldesai: @JuliaAngwin #editorchat Most have dual personalities n hence LinkedIn n FB, online n offline – Being 1 ALL across has been best for me

[21:02:03] elyssaeast: @edwardboches q3 I agree. It’s important to be a real human being. But less is often more. #editorchat

[21:02:04] JuliaAngwin: @elizabethbarr Voyeurism has always been popular – particularly in a recession it’s cheap entertainment. #editorchat

[21:02:23] LanceUlanoff: @milehighfool Maybe, but wherever I’ve been I’ve seen it done and done it myself–unless explicitly told not to. #editorchat

[21:02:59] ErikSherman: @LydiaBreakfast Q3 Not sure that’s necessary. There are examples of high profiles that are private. #editorchat

[21:03:03] littlebrownpen: @JuliaAngwin Very true in my case. Escapism is more appealing in this economic environment. #editorchat

[21:03:12] JuliaAngwin: Q: is the inevitable result of mixing personal/professional as journalists and writers the end of objectivity? #editorchat

[21:03:23] milehighfool: @LanceUlanoff Agreed. Readers need the personal to connect. #editorchat

[21:03:33] elizabethbarr: @JuliaAngwin I guess the real question is, what are you after? Scads of readers or credibility? #editorchat

[21:03:35] jennipps: Sorry, everyone. Have to head out already. Too much to do before leaving for a conference tomorrow. #editorchat

[21:03:38] elyssaeast: @milehighfool There’s a difference between being coy and maintaining a boundary. #editorchat

[21:03:47] LanceUlanoff: @SpecialDee Always easier to go with the flow, but we follow those who don’t #editorchat

[21:03:56] LydiaBreakfast: RT @JuliaAngwin Q4: is the inevitable result of mixing personal/professional as journalists and writers the end of objectivity? #editorchat

[21:04:03] milehighfool: RT Q: is the inevitable result of mixing personal/professional as journalists and writers the end of objectivity? #editorchat

[21:04:06] meghanmbiro: @edwardboches Met a Twitter friend in person and asked “how does my in person match my online presence?” Live it + Ask ?’s #editorchat

[21:04:08] jimmcbee: Re: Fear of giving up too much; I think the opposite has often been the case in print (dep. on medium). We’ve alienated many. #editorchat

[21:04:11] ErikSherman: @JuliaAngwin Oversharing is something different – it’s inherently not genuine, but manufactured. #editorchat

[21:04:13] JDEbberly: @jennipps See you next week Jen! Have a great conference! #Editorchat

[21:04:28] edwardboches: @JuliaAngwin let’s hope not.with slow demise of papers, pressure on magazines and emergence of blogs, obj jrnlsm more impnt now #editorchat

[21:04:29] jkwill10: @jennipps bye Jenn #editorchat

[21:04:34] wordful: @LanceUlanoff That’s so very true. Hi everyone I’m late. Charles here (writer, editor, blogger) #editorchat

[21:04:43] mguerard: @JuliaAngwin I don’t think it’s inevitable at all. I think it’s possible to be objective and have some personality. #editorchat

[21:04:44] booksandcorsets: Q1: My personal blog/writing identity has recently attached to my prof. id. I went back and locked many posts and now all is ok #editorchat

[21:04:47] sairy: RT @JuliaAngwin Q4: is the inevitable result of mixing personal/professional as journalists and writers the end of objectivity? #editorchat

[21:04:48] wetzeledit: @JuliaAngwin Perhaps the end of the illusion of objectivity? People may see your biases, or suspect some based on the personal. #editorchat

[21:04:59] elizabethbarr: @JuliaAngwin I think if you’re honest about who you are and your conflicts, objectivity isn’t as important as transparency. #editorchat

[21:05:08] milehighfool: @elyssaeast Certainly. Where do you draw the line? #editorchat

[21:05:10] ErikSherman: @sairy I have different blogs and publication outlets, cataloging them by content. #editorchat

[21:05:17] LydiaBreakfast: Reminder, please refer to the Q number when responding please #editorchat

[21:05:22] LanceUlanoff: @Jfavreau I agree. I’m always Tweeting with my audience in mind. They follow me primarily for tech, so I try to stick with that.#editorchat

[21:05:42] lilatovcocktail: RT Q: is the inevitable result of mixing personal/professional as journalists and writers the end of objectivity? #editorchat

[21:05:57] SpecialDee: Q3: when you’re known online by your byline – is that based on writing style or personality? Authenticity is important. #editorchat

[21:05:58] jkwill10: Q4: Does that mean you can’t be personal and objective? I disagree. #editorchat

[21:06:02] jimmcbee: rt @JuliaAngwin is the inevitable result of mixing personal/professional as journalists and writers the end of objectivity? #editorchat

[21:06:14] LydiaBreakfast: @LanceUlanoff But we also want to know what the tech guy had for lunch #editorchat

[21:06:15] JuliaAngwin: RT @elizabethbarr objectivity isn’t as important as transparency — Good question. What do you guys think? #editorchat

[21:06:18] LanceUlanoff: @JuliaAngwin And when exactly were journalists ever really objective? #editorchat

[21:06:34] BaileyMcC: U can still b objective & connect, just use good judgement. #editorchat

[21:06:38] edwardboches: Q4 interesting to think that objectivity as just an illusion. #editorchat

[21:06:48] JuliaAngwin: @LanceUlanoff Totally agree but it’s a Platonic ideal we strive for. #editorchat

[21:06:49] sairy: @ErikSherman makes sense; I do the same… also diff. twitter feeds, like @sarahgranger is just for my articles. #editorchat

[21:07:15] JDEbberly: @JuliaAngwin Transparency is very important. #Editorchat

[21:07:16] jimmcbee: Objectivity is a goal at best; a lie at worst. Let’s build a new altar to Honesty. #editorchat

[21:07:23] elizabethbarr: @edwardboches I agree – I think true objectivity has always been elusive, an ideal. #editorchat

[21:07:24] edwardboches: Q4 well if you’re not objective then transparency becomes really important #editorchat

[21:07:29] KatPowers: RT @elizabethbarr I think if you’re honest about who you are and your conflicts, objectivity isn’t as important as transparency. #editorchat

[21:07:42] littlebrownpen: @edwardboches LOL. There’s a song just waiting to be written ( objectivity is just an illusion). #editorchat

[21:07:51] JuliaAngwin: RT @jimmcbee Objectivity is a goal at best; a lie at worst. Let’s build a new altar to Honesty. Nicely said. #editorchat

[21:07:54] SuburbNews: Q4:You can be personal & personable w/o losing objectivity. Just have to keep opinions to self on issues you cover.#editorchat #editorchat

[21:08:01] sairy: RT @JuliaAngwin @elizabethbarr objectivity isn’t as important as transparency #editorchat — very good point, full disclosure is key.

[21:08:11] ErikSherman: @JuliaAngwin I think objectivity has always been a myth anyway. You battle biases by keeping them in plain view. #editorchat

[21:08:18] KatPowers: RT @jimmcbee Objectivity is a goal at best; a lie at worst. Let’s build a new altar to Honesty. #editorchat

[21:08:31] littlebrownpen: Honestly, it’s easy to separate the genuine from the gamed. People are drawn to the former. #editorchat

[21:08:42] JuliaAngwin: On a personal note, my husband and I met at a lecture discussing this very topic of the future of objectivity! #editorchat

[21:08:56] LydiaBreakfast: RT @ErikSherman I think objectivity has always been a myth anyway. You battle biases by keeping them in plain view. -Interesting #editorchat

[21:09:03] BaileyMcC: @sairy @JuliaAngwin @elizabethbarr objectivity isn’t as important as transparency #editorchat — very good point, full disclosure is key.

[21:09:05] JuliaAngwin: Had to throw that in, speaking of mixing personal and professional #editorchat

[21:09:05] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Well said. Sunshine is what’s needed. #editorchat

[21:09:15] sairy: @AmySueNathan yes, I limit what I share everywhere… no need to put up what my cat ate for dinner. #editorchat

[21:09:25] wordful: Honesty comes first. Objectivity can easily get in the way of authenticity, transparency and passion. #editorchat

[21:09:44] ErikSherman: @wetzeledit Or readers will simply assume or make up biases if they don’t like your logic. #editorchat

[21:09:47] JDEbberly: RT @wordful: Honesty comes first. Objectivity can easily get in the way of authenticity, transparency and passion. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:10:06] BeckyDMBR: Ack. Late again but here now! #editorchat

[21:10:09] KatPowers: I tell students I can’t be objective, my city is the best #editorchat However, I can be fair to other cities. It’s about transparency

[21:10:10] SuburbNews: I am not convinced that journalists should start flaunting their opinions, becoming advocates. Watchdog, yes, but there’s a line #editorchat

[21:10:10] edwardboches: Q4 when readers have as much say as journalists you’re called out if you’re not both honest and authentic #editorchat

[21:10:22] jimmcbee: @milehighfool Sunshine is what’s needed. (And not usually well received, I’ll add. Pretend-objectivity is easier.) #editorchat

[21:10:37] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Hey hey Ioway! #editorchat

[21:10:37] SpecialDee: @JuliaAngwin Yes, Q4, and aren’t editors tasked w/making sure articles are objectively written? #editorchat

[21:10:37] sairy: @JuliaAngwin that’s a great story; that’s good to share! #editorchat

[21:10:47] LanceUlanoff: @JuliaAngwin: Q4 Agree with all: honesty and transparency are they keys –in everything really. #editorchat

[21:10:50] elizabethbarr: Objectivity limits bravery. Think how dull everything would be if you couldn’t let any hint of opinion show. #editorchat

[21:10:59] milehighfool: @SuburbNews Fair enough but I’d love to see more well-researched commentary. #editorchat

[21:11:07] wetzeledit: @ErikSherman True but they may use your personal sharing as the basis for those attacks. Even if not fair, it’s ammo. #editorchat

[21:11:20] milehighfool: Says the guy who writes for a site that publishes commentary #editorchat

[21:11:46] jimmcbee: @SuburbNews however, readers ascribe opinions, biases and advocacy to us whether we like it or not. Take the bull by the horns. #editorchat

[21:11:47] SpecialDee: News and op ed pieces – two different beasts? #editorchat

[21:11:52] LanceUlanoff: This was interesting, but I have to drop out. Cheers #editorchat

[21:11:53] milehighfool: RT @elizabethbarr: Objectivity limits bravery. Think how dull everything would be if you couldn’t let any hint of opinion show. #editorchat

[21:11:58] JuliaAngwin: RT@ wetzeledit they may use your personal sharing as the basis for those attacks. Even if not fair, it’s ammo — good point #editorchat

[21:12:05] littlebrownpen: Agree. Especially finance-related. @milehighfool @SuburbNews Fair enough but I’d love to see more well-researched commentary #editorchat

[21:12:06] stephauteri: Howdy there! Steph Auteri, writer for Nerve and other publications, popping in late. #editorchat

[21:12:06] bacigalupe: @LydiaBreakfast may be now the social location becomes more explicit and we address up front the myth of objectivity #editorchat

[21:12:24] ErikSherman: @SuburbNews But how about analysis? There are lots of journos who know sources are full of it but won’t come out and say it. #editorchat

[21:12:25] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee very #editorchat

[21:12:31] milehighfool: @LanceUlanoff Hope to see you here again, sir. #editorchat

[21:12:47] jonathanfields: @JuliaAngwin Even if reporting isn’t completely objective & transparent, crowdsourced vetting gets you close 2 truth fast. #editorchat

[21:12:51] JDEbberly: @LanceUlanoff Thanks for stopping by, Lance! Looking forward to seeing you here next Weds. Night! #Editorchat

[21:12:58] wordful: @bacigalupe “the myth of objectivity” I like that #editorchat

[21:13:05] milehighfool: @stephauteri Glad you could make it, Steph. #editorchat

[21:13:13] sairy: RT @JuliaAngwin @wetzeledit they may use personal sharing as the basis for attacks. Even if not fair, it’s ammo – good point #editorchat

[21:13:28] ErikSherman: @wetzeledit True enough. I’m not the sharing sort, just found that some fanatics would fill in what they wanted. #editorchat

[21:13:45] mguerard: @ErikSherman I think if the source is full of it, you simply don’t use them. #editorchat

[21:13:47] JuliaAngwin: So it seems we all agree that transparency is key for honesty. I’d like to get a good example or two of a success story #editorchat

[21:14:19] mrinaldesai: @JuliaAngwin #editorchat #quote Bob Dylan – “All I can do is be me”

[21:14:36] booksbelow: RT @edwardboches: Q4 when readers have as much say as journalists you’re called out if you’re not both honest and authentic #editorchat

[21:14:46] 190east: RT @JuliaAngwin: So we all agree that transparency is key for honesty. I’d like to get a good example or two of a success story #editorchat

[21:15:12] wordful: @JuliaAngwin @AaronWall of SEO Book is a great example of pure honesty/transparency relating to his success #editorchat

[21:15:26] elyssaeast: The type of piece, the venue, & the audience determine how personal, transparent, & opinionated one can be. #editorchat

[21:16:06] milehighfool: Great idea. Success stories are in short supply, it seems. is transparency improving? #editorchat

[21:16:06] ErikSherman: @mguerard Sometimes the story is about the source, in which case you can’t simply ignore them. #editorchat

[21:16:41] ptrcrown: Example: When a Nobel laureate writes “I don’t know the answer…” it tells a lot about the writer and state of knowledge… #editorchat

[21:17:14] ErikSherman: @JuliaAngwin Not sure it’s a great example, but I’ve noted certain business background when analyzing a tech company… #editorchat

[21:17:22] sairy: @JuliaAngwin success story: @queenofspain is open about her opinions on twitter, but as an editor she is completely non-partisan #editorchat

[21:17:38] ErikSherman: @JuliaAngwin …because I had experience in a specific area that led me to make a comment that I did. #editorchat

[21:17:39] milehighfool: @booksbelow The crowdsourcing point is a good one. Well-done stories are spread far and wide. #editorchat

[21:18:07] dugL: @elyssaeast #editorchat She’s right. A venue that relies on image would be a bad place to confess secrets.

[21:18:32] JDEbberly: RT @wordful: @JuliaAngwin @AaronWall of SEO Book is a great example of pure honesty/transparency relating to his success #editorchat #Ed …

[21:18:56] BeckyDMBR: Dangit. And I realize I’m leaving off the hastag. Sorry. #editorchat

[21:19:02] pickcontests: (@mrinaldesai)@JuliaAngwin #editorchat #quote Bob Dylan – “All I can do is be me” http://twitter.com/mrinaldesai/statuses/1654740027

[21:19:17] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Hey there, howdy! #editorchat

[21:19:22] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Just remember that the majority can be really wrong, like knowing the earth is flat. #editorchat

[21:19:24] edwardboches: @BeckyDMBR post from tweetchat.com way easier #editorchat

[21:19:59] jimmcbee: Success story? When Bluffton Today started, we threw the rule book out. Reporters, readers blogged pretty freely, interacted … #editorchat

[21:20:03] milehighfool: @ptrcrown We’re usually better off admitting ignorance than proving it, no? #editorchat

[21:20:05] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool I’d like to see more well-researched … anything. #editorchat

[21:20:22] KatPowers: Dude the Earth is flat. How else would I be able to talk you you folks up there? #editorchat

[21:20:41] BeckyDMBR: @SpecialDee News and op-ed *should* be different. It’s inappropriate to express opinion when reporting on xyz murder. Just is. #editorchat

[21:20:45] elyssaeast: Business narratives operate on transparency but they often seem overly scripted towards success & therefore inauthentic. #editorchat

[21:20:49] JuliaAngwin: Potential success story: some say e-books will finally allow writers to be judged by their words not their covers/marketing #editorchat

[21:20:55] littlebrownpen: YES! @milehighfool @ptrcrown We’re usually better off admitting ignorance than proving it, no? #editorchat

[21:21:02] jimmcbee: … in ways that were refreshing (sometimes pain in the ass, too). Writers allowed to write personal columns at times, etc. … #editorchat

[21:21:19] elyssaeast: @pickcontests Yes but Bob Dylan famously said, “I’m not there.” #editorchat

[21:21:35] LydiaBreakfast: @JuliaAngwin I think it is going to take a while for people to get over the misconceptions about e-books #editorchat

[21:21:39] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Certainly, but the added feedback loop adds dynamism and can lead to better thinking. #editorchat

[21:21:58] sairy: RT @JuliaAngwin some say e-books will finally allow writers to be judged by their words not their covers/marketing #editorchat – yes/no/tbd?

[21:22:00] jimmcbee: … readers ate it up. Market penetration was deep and wide. (Free delivery was big part of it, too.) #editorchat

[21:22:00] littlebrownpen: @JuliaAngwin Agree about ebooks. #editorchat

[21:22:02] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR See, this is why we love having you here, Becky. #editorchat

[21:22:23] BeckyDMBR: @edwardboches TweetDeck’s not bad. It’s just my brain that needs a kick-start. #editorchat

[21:22:37] elizabethbarr: @LydiaBreakfast @JuliaAngwin Agreed. The early adopters will pay for an e-book, but the public at large? #editorchat

[21:22:41] wetzeledit: @JuliaAngwin Judged, but not necessarily sold! (Just kidding…I wish…) #editorchat

[21:22:45] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Agreed. They’ve been co-opted by twammers disguised as marketers. #editorchat

[21:22:55] LydiaBreakfast: @JuliaAngwin some think they are similar to self-pubbed books, ie: mistakenly that no publisher would pick them up #editorchat

[21:23:04] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Undoubtedly it can. But many assume it”s a foregone conclusion, and it’s not. #editorchat

[21:23:13] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast But teh e-book movement is an opportunity to establish identity more deeply, no? #editorchat

[21:23:23] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Agreed. #editorchat

[21:23:43] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Agreed. They’ve been co-opted by twammers disguised as marketers. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:23:52] JuliaAngwin: @wetzeledit Selling is always the hardest part. Boy, am I learning that! #editorchat

[21:23:57] stephauteri: RT @LydiaBreakfast on e-books: some think they are similar to self-pubbed books, & that no publisher would pick them up. [yes!] #editorchat

[21:24:00] SuburbNews: @BeckyDMBR @milehighfool Yes, you’re right, need more research and thoughtfulness, less punditry? #editorchat

[21:24:03] ErikSherman: @LydiaBreakfast And they still have to be marketed, or else no one reads them. #editorchat

[21:24:17] elizabethbarr: E-books aren’t any different from iTunes or music online. Puts a whole industry of execs out of work, but the product is same. #editorchat

[21:24:36] wordful: RT @JuliaAngwin @wetzeledit Selling is always the hardest part. Boy, am I learning that! *Yeah no kidding!* #editorchat

[21:24:46] elyssaeast: @JuliaAngwin So how is it going for you sales wise? What are you learning? #editorchat

[21:25:02] milehighfool: @SuburbNews Absolutely. You can’t stand on a soapbox can yourself authentic or authoritative. #editorchat

[21:25:18] LydiaBreakfast: @JuliaAngwin right and the publisher never tells the author how much of the selling they have to do themselves! #editorchat

[21:25:24] JuliaAngwin: @elyssaeast I made a decision not to ask my publisher for numbers because there was no way I wouldn’t be disappointed. #editorchat

[21:25:30] sairy: wrt e-books, I’ve heard mixed views from people at all points on tech & publishing spectrum – I think in 5 yrs it’ll shake out. #editorchat

[21:25:38] SpecialDee: Byline = reputation = integrity; editors uphold journalists to these standards – in print and online. #editorchat

[21:25:47] rogerdooley: @SpecialDee I’d certainly hope so. But then, I always thought editorial and advertising were different. Old-fashioned, I guess. #editorchat

[21:26:04] milehighfool: Geez. What is it with my typing tonight? I meant, stand on a soapbox and *call* call yourself authoritiative. #editorchat

[21:26:20] Jfavreau: RT @SpecialDee Byline = reputation = integrity; editors uphold journalists to these standards – in print and online #editorchat

[21:26:27] BeckyDMBR: @SuburbNews Yes. Plenty of punditry out there. Not enough research and straight info. #editorchat

[21:26:33] stephauteri: @LydiaBreakfast: That’s b/c publishers financially support only a teeny-weeny percentage of the books they publish. Sure things. #editorchat

[21:26:36] elyssaeast: At least for now the ebook is harder to market than the physical one bc the reader has to shell out for an e-reader. Not cheap! #editorchat

[21:27:10] ErikSherman: @LydiaBreakfast They’re starting to. If they think you can’t sell lots, you don’t get the contract. #editorchat

[21:27:28] stephauteri: @elyssaeast: I’m intrigued by those online publishers who offer books in both e and print form… #editorchat

[21:27:31] LydiaBreakfast: @stephauteri financially support = take a bath a lot of times #editorchat

[21:27:52] elizabethbarr: @rogerdooley Re line between editorial and advertising – growing thinner by the day. #editorchat

[21:27:53] JuliaAngwin: Maybe e-books are eventually transparency for authors – people can compare crowd-source reviews, share reading experiences? #editorchat

[21:28:00] elyssaeast: @JuliaAngwin That’s a solid move. A book’s value is rarely reflected in its sales. #editorchat

[21:28:35] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast I’m still looking for my benefactor. One day they will come! Joining late. Bob Bobala from Intuit. #editorchat

[21:28:38] ErikSherman: OK, speaking of books, I have one to finish tonight. #editorchat

[21:28:41] JDEbberly: @milehighfool I know waht you mean, I’ve been typing tpyos all evening #Editorchat

[21:28:43] KatPowers: @SpecialDee Question: Does identity matter more for a journalist than a run-of-the-mill expert you’re quoting? #editorchat

[21:28:47] LydiaBreakfast: @JuliaAngwin they can sort of do that online at B&N and amazon with reviews and ratings #editorchat

[21:29:02] sairy: RT @JuliaAngwin Maybe e-books are transparency for authors – people can compare crowd-source reviews, share experiences? #editorchat

[21:29:09] BeckyDMBR: Book publishing has changed A LOT in the last 10-15 years. Scaled down on publisher’s end, ramped up on author’s. #editorchat

[21:29:11] jimmcbee: < waiting for someone to offer me money for product placement in an article. #editorchat

[21:29:19] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala Hey there mr San Diego #editorchat

[21:29:25] JDEbberly: I MEANT “what” and “typos”. It’s ironic when I typo’d the word “typo” #Editorchat

[21:29:28] jkwill10: Gospel: RT @SpecialDee: Byline = reputation = integrity; editors uphold journalists to these standards – in print and online. #editorchat

[21:29:38] elyssaeast: @stephauteri Which publishers? #editorchat

[21:29:51] sairy: @JuliaAngwin I think you’ve hit on something… as I’ve followed the tech beyond gov’t transparency projects, we’re not far off. #editorchat

[21:30:05] SuburbNews: @ErikSherman Journos can do analysis based on their expertise but should be clearly labeled analysis. Explaining, not advocating #editorchat

[21:30:09] wordful: Many bloggers create how-to ebooks & give them away in xchange for email address. Then they use mailing list for affiliate sales #editorchat

[21:30:35] SpecialDee: @KatPowers Identity of the journalist or the run of the mill expert being quoted? #editorchat

[21:30:51] elyssaeast: @JDEbberly I make typos all the time w/ TweetDeck. Such tiny fonts. #editorchat

[21:30:55] stephauteri: @elyssaeast: I once worked for academic publishers, and they really only spent $ on direct mail & space advertising. #editorchat

[21:31:21] davidbdale: Transparency is as elusive as objectivity. Who will admit to being a shill for the party or know that he’s blinded by dogma? #editorchat

[21:31:38] gbmiii: @JuliaAngwin #editorchat #quote Bob Dylan – “All I can do is be me” http://ff.im/-2sAMZ

[21:31:43] stephauteri: @elyssaeast: Larger publishers will do the whole publicity thing, but the extent depends on how much faith they have in ur book. #editorchat

[21:32:07] KatPowers: @SpecialDee We’re online, so now we’re at the same level as experts with blogs (for some). 1/2 #editorchat

[21:32:26] SpecialDee: If news becomes aggregated, will journalists have their own RSS feeds based on their byline? by their newspaper? combo? #editorchat

[21:32:47] KatPowers: 2/2 and we’re wrestling with the idea that we have to be above the crowd but also we have to be part of the crowd #editorchat

[21:32:59] elizabethbarr: Many publishers won’t consider you if you don’t have a built-in platform for marketing, either a blog or a column. #editorchat

[21:33:10] milehighfool: @SpecialDee I’ve seen this many places already. TheStreet.com does it. #editorchat

[21:33:37] elizabethbarr: @SpecialDee Great question! That will be one for newspaper guilds to hammer out. Which means no consensus for a while! #editorchat

[21:33:39] timecommander: @Wordful Do you suggest doing this or rather is it not recommended? #editorchat

[21:33:49] sairy: @SpecialDee I’ve already seen feeds by topic and by author in several publications #editorchat

[21:34:10] hinder: @specialDee a lot of pubs have their writers posting all their pieces on twitter/facebook already. Kinda serves as an RSS feed. #editorchat

[21:34:11] SuburbNews: Sadly, I have to go put the kids to bed. I’ll try to return or read the transcript. Thank you. Interesting Qs and debate #editorchat

[21:34:42] JuliaAngwin: So let’s pull this together. How much does maintaining a digital identity, building audience interfere/enhance the writing life? #editorchat

[21:34:45] jimmcbee: @SpecialDee that’s assuming they have newspapers to work for. #editorchat

[21:34:47] milehighfool: @SuburbNews Thanks for joining us again. See you soon. #editorchat

[21:34:50] stephauteri: @hinder: This is true, but I think the ones who are merely broadcasting and not interacting have got it wrong. #editorchat

[21:34:50] SpecialDee: @KatPowers It’s a case of where your stories appear-on a newspaper site? Then there must be an editor behind you. #editorchat

[21:35:08] edwardboches: @SpecialDee wow. that would put even more power in hands of readers and make it even more difficult for pub to make $ or subs #editorchat

[21:35:14] elizabethbarr: @hinder Or they post an excerpt on their blog and link to the paper/magazine. But that’s on a case by case basis, no? #editorchat

[21:35:15] elyssaeast: @stephauteri I was a reviews editor at PW and watched publishers sink tons behind 1 or 2 titles & leave the rest to wither. #editorchat

[21:35:17] LydiaBreakfast: @SuburbNews thanks for joining us, goodnight to the kiddos #editorchat

[21:35:35] wordful: @timecommander Depends on what your intentions are. Some people just use their blogs as a platform to bigger things. #editorchat

[21:35:48] SpecialDee: Exactly. RT @jimmcbee: @SpecialDee that’s assuming they have newspapers to work for. #editorchat

[21:35:49] LydiaBreakfast: Q5 How much does maintaining a digital identity, building audience interfere/enhance the writing life? #editorchat

[21:35:52] hinder: @stephauteri I totally agree. It’s not building a following it’s just shoving news down the people’s throats. #editorchat

[21:35:54] milehighfool: RT Q: How much does maintaining a digital identity, building audience interfere/enhance the writing life? #editorchat

[21:36:28] stephauteri: @JuliaAngwin: It may be time intensive, but I believe it enhances the writing experience. #editorchat

[21:36:49] elyssaeast: @JuliaAngwin Building an identity via social networking at least can be really time consuming & can get in the way of writing. #editorchat

[21:37:00] JuliaAngwin: @stephauteri Do you learn from your audience? Get ideas from readers? #editorchat

[21:37:06] stephauteri: @JuliaAngwin: All that input from those you connect with online enriches your writing by showing you different POVs. #editorchat

[21:37:11] mrinaldesai: @JuliaAngwin #editorchat it’s about ‘you media’ – all very important

[21:37:16] KatPowers: Q5 folks know who I am, where I’m coming from, usually more inclined to feed me info #editorchat

[21:37:31] BaileyMcC: Q5 it enhances it, your audience can be a great asset for material, instant feedback, etc. #editorchat

[21:37:33] sairy: @JuliaAngwin I think it still depends on genre; writing about tech online or off fits well with new media, but it’s a time suck. #editorchat

[21:37:42] elyssaeast: @milehighfool It interferes, but it’s necessary (and can be fun.) #editorchat

[21:37:46] ptrcrown: Thank you! I must go and be myself… “every one else is taken”. This was stimulating and thought provoking. #editorchat

[21:37:47] edwardboches: @stephauteri doesn’t effectiveness of “marketing” or blding readership, and quality of content go hand in hand? #editorchat

[21:37:50] jimmcbee: q5: will be more critical and time consuming the less writers/editors are able to rely on publishers for their daily bread. #editorchat

[21:37:55] stephauteri: @elyssaeast: It’s so sad! I used to feel so frustrated on behalf of my authors. #editorchat

[21:37:56] elizabethbarr: Q5 I think it involves a lot more strategy and deciding beforehand what your brand is and what you stand for. Gives you focus. #editorchat

[21:37:58] bob_bobala: @milehighfool If you like to write and communicate with people it opens up a huge world. If you don’t, it’s gotta be tiring. #editorchat

[21:38:21] JDEbberly: Q5: It actually enhances my writing. back when I had three online identities, tracking diff. identities enhanced creativity #Editorchat

[21:38:36] stephauteri: @edwardboches: Oh totally! If I was putting out complete drivel, I’m assuming I’d have far less followers. #editorchat

[21:38:41] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast @JuliaAngwin Q5 I think it depends on your writing/reporting. #editorchat

[21:38:42] LydiaBreakfast: @ptrcrown Thanks for joining us tonight, you did very well for a first timer #editorchat

[21:38:44] Jfavreau: @JuliaAngwin I am new to this and I tend to build a following by participating in chats like this. #editorchat

[21:38:49] bacigalupe: @JuliaAngwin @JuliaAngwin transparency & honesty may be correlated but not sure one leads to the other, aren’t they contextual? #editorchat

[21:38:54] edwardboches: can’t believe i just posted a tweet with a grammatical error on editorchat #editorchat

[21:39:00] hinder: I’ve found the digital identity helps the writing. Sources reach out to you plus you are more connected to what they care about. #editorchat

[21:39:27] mguerard: @edwardboches Did any of these editors pounce on it? #editorchat #editorchat

[21:39:28] LydiaBreakfast: @edwardboches typing so quickly, it is hard NOT to make a mistake #editorchat

[21:39:29] bob_bobala: @JDEbberly Three identities! I’d say that’s an enhancement. #editorchat

[21:39:46] BeckyDMBR: @edwardboches We’re all editing you! #editorchat

[21:39:46] elyssaeast: Q5 The good thing is that it enables authors to exceed more control w/ marketing themselves. It’s audience building. #editorchat

[21:39:59] JuliaAngwin: @JDEbberly Maybe multiple online identities is good practice for character development. #editorchat

[21:40:45] edwardboches: @mguerard no, but i saw a post with a worse mistake right after mine, so i feel ok, thanks. #editorchat

[21:40:46] milehighfool: Having an identity is a prerequisite to creating a community, which is essential both for writer and outlet, no? #editorchat

[21:40:51] elyssaeast: @BeckyDMBR LOL! #editorchat

[21:40:53] wordful: Q5 it certainly gives us more control and reach over our potential to be heard #editorchat

[21:41:16] jkwill10: Q5: I get a little social media-ed out from time to time and don’t keep up with people like I should #editorchat

[21:41:24] underoak: Hey, #editorchat, dropping in to share from @fionamorgan: With fewer reporters covering local news, who fills gaps? http://bit.ly/12wbWF

[21:41:52] JDEbberly: @JuliaAngwin I agree with you there, Julia, except that I never went on to writing great Tom Clancy novels #Editorchat

[21:42:00] SpecialDee: Q5: Building audience/maintaining online identity can boost your resources-it’s the ultimate business card. #editorchat

[21:42:12] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Very much so. But if writing, engagement is part of the deal. #editorchat

[21:42:22] LydiaBreakfast: @underoak that is a whole other discussion, maybe for next session? #editorchat

[21:42:27] bob_bobala: Building an online identity can sure help hone your voice. #editorchat

[21:42:31] jimmcbee: Gotta do supper. Thanks to Julia. Take care, y’all, and check out http://smartnewsnc.com when you get a chance. Hi to @underoak #editorchat

[21:42:32] wetzeledit: Shoot, I have to go–thanks for the great chat and I’ll see you all ’round the Twittersphere. –Wendy Wetzel, freelance copyed #editorchat

[21:42:34] stephauteri: @milehighfool: I agree. If you lack focus, you lack identity, in which case it becomes tougher to build a body of work #editorchat

[21:42:45] stephauteri: @milehighfool: …and build an audience. #editorchat

[21:43:00] milehighfool: @wetzeledit Thanks, Wendy. Glad you could join us. #editorchat

[21:43:18] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee ‘Night Jim, thanks again. #editorchat

[21:43:39] JuliaAngwin: @JDEbberly There’s still time! #editorchat

[21:43:41] sairy: @JuliaAngwin thanks – this was a great #editorchat

[21:43:42] LydiaBreakfast: @wetzeledit Thanks Wendy always a pleasure #editorchat

[21:43:54] milehighfool: @stephauteri And without the audience … (Shudders). #editorchat

[21:43:55] bob_bobala: @milehighfool I’m just saying the Emily Dickinson’s of the world would struggle with social media. #editorchat

[21:44:04] jkwill10: #editorchat rocks as always. @lydiabreakfast and @milehighfool are superstars. Nite

[21:44:26] JuliaAngwin: @sairy Thanks for coming, thoroughly enjoyed it. #editorchat

[21:44:30] milehighfool: @jimmcbee Thanks much, Jim. See you next week. #editorchat

[21:44:36] LydiaBreakfast: @jkwill10 we heart you too Jeff #editorchat

[21:44:53] elizabethbarr: @bob_bobala I think Emily Dickinson would love SM. She’d just be a lurker and skewerer of it. #editorchat

[21:45:02] milehighfool: @jkwill10 Thanks, Jeff. See you next week, I hope. #editorchat

[21:45:05] JDEbberly: @JuliaAngwin It would be nice if I could write up a couple dozen thrillers. Great retirement revenue stream potential there #Editorchat

[21:45:05] underoak: @LydiaBreakfast Yep, sorry for getting off topic. Apologies. My answer to Q5 upcoming will partly ‘splain. #editorchat

[21:45:46] LydiaBreakfast: RT @elizabethbarr I think Emily Dickinson would love SM. She’d just be a lurker and skewerer of it. -Brilliant! #editorchat

[21:46:01] JDEbberly: @jimmcbee Looking forward to seeing you next week! Have a fabulous evening! #Editorchat

[21:46:04] milehighfool: Killjoy warning: 10 minutes left. We’ll allow for a re-intro and a link beginning at 9:55 pm. #editorchat

[21:46:04] KatPowers: @elizabethbarr Imagine Dylan Thomas embracing social media! #editorchat

[21:46:05] bob_bobala: @elizabethbarr Right on, Elizabeth. #editorchat

[21:46:09] JuliaAngwin: @elizabethbarr Maybe we should just start tweeting Emily Dickinson lines and bring her to life! #editorchat

[21:46:31] elyssaeast: @elizabethbarr If ED were alive today she’d blog her heart out! #editorchat

[21:46:33] LydiaBreakfast: @JuliaAngwin she has a myspace page #editorchat

[21:46:50] underoak: Q5 for #editorchat: Yes, digital life interferes with writing focus (as I procrastitweet). But it adds massive sources, links, connections.

[21:47:04] elizabethbarr: Way OT, but a blogger I read did a post about Shakespeare’s Twitter stream. It was hilarious! #editorchat

[21:47:08] hinder: She’d be a creeper! RT @elizabethbarr I think Emily Dickinson would love SM. She’d just be a skewerer of it. -Brilliant! #editorchat

[21:47:16] LydiaBreakfast: @underoak procrastitweet! #editorchat

[21:47:23] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Doesn’t Shakespeare as well? #editorchat

[21:47:32] SpecialDee: @JDEbberly Write a couple dozen thrillers? Just enrolled in Writing Fiction course – starts in few weeks. #editorchat

[21:47:41] elyssaeast: @underoak procrastitweet: I love that! #editorchat

[21:48:14] JDEbberly: @underoak That’s a new Twerm, “Procrastitweet” I need to remember to post it on the Twitter Wiki #Editorchat

[21:48:27] pickcontests: (@gbmiii)@JuliaAngwin #editorchat #quote Bob Dylan – “All I can do is be me” http://ff.im/-2sAMZ http://twitter.com/gbmiii/statuses/1654 …

[21:48:38] LydiaBreakfast: @elizabethbarr BTW would love to see Dorothy Parker tweet. That would be amazing #editorchat

[21:49:01] JuliaAngwin: @underoak procrastitweet: I’m the opposite, I procrastinate tweeting! #editorchat

[21:49:23] milehighfool: @elyssaeast Another twitticism. Tons of them at the Twictionary. (Yes, that’s real.) #editorchat

[21:49:38] stephauteri: RT @underoak: Yes, digital life interferes with writing focus (as I procrastitweet). But it adds massive sources, links… #editorchat

[21:49:50] elizabethbarr: @LydiaBreakfast Dorothy Parker’s Tweets? Don’t give me ideas. (Should I call dibs on this? How does that work?) #editorchat

[21:50:04] Vitalizer: RT @JDEbberly: @underoak That’s a new Twerm, “Procrastitweet” I need to remember to post it on the Twitter Wiki #Editorchat

[21:50:26] LydiaBreakfast: @elizabethbarr ha ha that could be a joint project. What fresh hell indeed! #editorchat

[21:50:36] wordful: BTW what happened to the editorchat.wordpress.com blog? I never saw this week’s questions posted there. #editorchat

[21:50:46] milehighfool: @Vitalizer Send me a link when it’s up. #editorchat

[21:50:52] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Tons of ways to procrastinate. At least SM offers networking, swine flu updates, etc. #editorchat

[21:51:34] stephauteri: RT: @BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Tons of ways to procrastinate. At least SM offers networking, swine flu updates, etc. #editorchat

[21:51:36] milehighfool: @wordful Since Julia had questions of her own we decided to not post a new intro. #editorchat

[21:52:22] elizabethbarr: Speaking of swine flu, has editorchat tackled the topic of media scares/responsible reporting on public health? #editorchat

[21:52:28] wordful: @milehighfool oh, thanks. I was late, must have missed that. #editorchat

[21:52:58] bacigalupe: @LydiaBreakfast would we have a new form of twitter poetry with all kind of deconstructive theories about the 140 characters? #editorchat

[21:53:04] wordful: @wordful and thanks Julia for your questions! #editorchat

[21:53:22] LydiaBreakfast: @elizabethbarr not yet, perhaps for another week #editorchat

[21:53:41] milehighfool: Two-minute warning. At 9:55 om we’ll start re-intros and a link. #editorchat

[21:53:50] JuliaAngwin: @wordful Thanks for coming – it was really fun! #editorchat

[21:54:01] LydiaBreakfast: @bacigalupe that is a great idea! #editorchat

[21:54:30] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Two-minute warning. At 9:55 om we’ll start re-intros and a link. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:55:16] JuliaAngwin: Thanks to @LydiaBreakfast and @milehighfool for hosting me tonight. This has been a real pleasure and thought-provoking. #editorchat

[21:55:21] dugL: @bacigalupe , you’re so soupy, i wanna snake past @LydiaBreakfast, #editorchat is where it’s at. that’s twitter poetry

[21:55:30] BeckyDMBR: @bacigalupe Deconstructing poetry would be “funner” if it coincided with Drunk Tweeting. Just sayin’. #editorchat #editorchat

[21:55:46] milehighfool: And we’re at 9:55. Reintroduce yourself and add a link if you’d like. #editorchat

[21:55:56] jg_rat: missed most of #editorchat again. Editoring got in the way again. Sigh.

[21:56:12] bacigalupe: @JuliaAngwin terrific questions! #editorchat

[21:56:17] BeckyDMBR: @JuliaAngwin Thanks so much for coming tonight! #editorchat #editorchat

[21:56:23] elyssaeast: All of this procrastinating talk is making me feel guilty! (Head hanging in shame.) I have to get back to my book. #editorchat

[21:56:37] underoak: @BeckyDMBR Indeed on procrastination via SM. And perhaps tweeting also serves as a writing warmup exercise. #editorchat

[21:56:48] elizabethbarr: Have to put my toque on and make creme brulees. I really enjoyed my first EC. Thanks to Lydia, Milehigh and @JuliaAngwin! #editorchat

[21:56:55] stephauteri: Glad to catch the last half of #editorchat! Fabulous as always. #editorchat

[21:57:21] JDEbberly: Hello, I’m J.D. Ebberly. I recommend that you participate in Editorchat every Wednesday Night from 8p to 10p EST #Editorchat

[21:57:23] stephauteri: Steph Auteri. Writer for Nerve.com and other pubs. I also blog over at http://www.freelancedom.com #editorchat

[21:57:34] SpecialDee: Thanks to @LydiaBreakfast and @milehighfool for hosting @JuliaAngwin tonight. #editorchat

[21:57:38] elyssaeast: Thank you @milehighfool, @LydiaBreakfast, @JuliaAngwin, and ALL for such an interesting discussion. I’m so glad I dropped by. #editorchat

[21:57:41] stephauteri: @elizabethbarr: yummm…creme brulee… #editorchat

[21:57:56] BeckyDMBR: I’m a freelance journalist in Iow-ay, online and (gasp) in print. #editorchat

[21:58:06] elyssaeast: Cheers to all. It certainly was time well spent. #editorchat

[21:58:23] KatPowers: editor of a paper and website just outside Boston, using your wisdom at http://www.wickedlocal.com/somerville #editorchat

[21:58:37] hinder: Writer/editor for a variety of pubs. Thanks #editorchat – had a great time.

[21:58:46] bob_bobala: Thanks guys. Bob Bobala writing for TurboTax, Quicken, formerly Motley Fool, and for myself here: http://exitstrategypress.com #editorchat

[21:58:50] BeckyDMBR: @underoak Tweeting definitely limbers you up for editing your work. #editorchat

[21:59:01] JuliaAngwin: Happy Wednesday – thanks to all of you for joining the discussion tonight! #editorchat

[21:59:11] BaileyMcC: Bailey McCann managing editor at CivSource, writer/copywriter/editor/etc at other places too. www.civsourceonline.com #editorchat

[21:59:22] JDEbberly: MAJOR KUDOS to @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for hosting @JuliaAngwin here on Editorchat. Very Fascinating chat!! #Editorchat

[21:59:46] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast Hello, I’m Dan Miranda. I couldn’t make it to #editorchat, but I look forward to being there next week. Oh yeah, I’m 13.

[21:59:56] wordful: Charles Bohannan struggling writer editor blogger in Hawaii. #editorchat

[21:59:56] SpecialDee: Great discussions 2nite! Thanks! Here’s what I do as a Special Sections editor http://bit.ly/dHBIr #editorchat

[22:00:06] LydiaBreakfast: Thanks to all for coming tonight, hope you enjoyed mixing it up with our guest mod. @juliaangwin #editorchat

[22:01:43] JDEbberly: @LydiaBreakfast This chat was off the charts tonight! I’m telling all my Twitter friends about it! #Editorchat

[22:02:33] LydiaBreakfast: @timecommander thanks Dan, oh and feel free to use your real 13 y/o speak. my daughter only talks in txt. #editorchat

[22:03:09] LydiaBreakfast: @JDEbberly awesome glad you had a good time #editorchat

[22:03:12] Jfavreau: Jamie Favreau writer at http://jamiefavreau.wordpress.com and trying to create an opp as a freelancer or community coordinator. #editorchat

[22:03:43] milehighfool: Thanks to everyone for joining and to @JuliaAngwin for moderating. Once more, find Stealing MySpace here: http://bit.ly/15mS3W #editorchat

[22:04:16] elizabethbarr: Indeed! RT @JDEbberly: @LydiaBreakfast This chat was off the charts tonight! I’m telling all my Twitter friends about it! #Editorchat

[22:04:26] bikelady: I apologize for slipping out. Got a call from sis. Her daughter in an accident. Had to take that call. I’ll try again next week. #editorchat

[22:05:37] LydiaBreakfast: We’ll try to post the transcript as soon as we can. Check editorchat.wordpress.com for the full conversation. Good night all! #editorchat

[22:05:39] milehighfool: Continue as long as you’ like but I’m signing off. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, http://timbeyers.com Night all #editorchat

[22:06:21] CathyWebSavvyPR: @JuliaAngwin Sorry I missed your chat tonight, I was co-hosting a #SmallBizChat from 8-9 and forgot about #editorchat after

[22:07:36] hdbbstephen: @edwardboches #editorchat Just had a convo about ID & name. Difficult for me, have a *very* common name…

[22:08:12] JDEbberly: The transcript will soon be posted at http://editorchat.wordpress.com for those who missed the chat tonight #Editorchat

[22:08:17] CathyWebSavvyPR: RT @JuliaAngwin Potent’l success story some say e-books will finally allow writers 2 B judged by their words not covers/mrketing #editorchat

[22:08:20] JuliaAngwin: @CathyWebSavvyPR No worries, thanks for trying to stop by! #editorchat

[22:08:52] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast G’night! Thanks for another great chat! #editorchat