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[20:31:32] milehighfool: And we’re live. Welcome to another edition of #editorchat. Please introduce yourselves as you join.

[20:31:43] shortformernie: Hey all. @milehighfool Got your message, will respond soon. #editorchat

[20:32:40] jennipps: Hi, all!! Jen, fl writer in south Oklahoma, specializing in creativity, writing, plus-size issues, and health at the moment. #editorchat

[20:32:47] shortformernie: Howdy hey! Ernie Smith, editor, ShortFormBlog — that’s http://shortformblog.com — and designer, Wash. Post Express. #editorchat

[20:33:12] milehighfool: @shortformernie Awesome. Thanks, Ernie. Glad you could make it tonight. #editorchat

[20:33:30] anndouglas: Please use www.twittersnooze.com if you want to filter my #editorchat tweets for the next couple of hours.

[20:33:31] milehighfool: @jennipps Welcome back, Jen. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:33:37] hotspringer: Rebecca McCormick, freelance travel and feature writer from Hot Springs, Ark. #editorchat

[20:34:04] jennipps: @milehighfool And I’m not house- or dog-sitting tonight, so I should be able to be here for the whole thing. #editorchat

[20:34:05] GLHancock: Georganna in San Diego, proud of the Padres, reading the Union-Tribune, writing, editing, and fooling around with websites #editorchat

[20:34:19] AuldHouse: #editorchat by night launching AuldHouse Publishing focusing on how-to content in ebook format

[20:34:19] jennipps: @hotspringer Hi, Rebecca! Good to see you. #editorchat

[20:34:22] merylkevans: Texas gal who doesn’t have a tattoo and loves to play with words both for a living as writer / editor and for fun. #editorchat

[20:34:24] anndouglas: Hi all. I’m Ann Douglas – author, blogger, magazine columnist, copywriter, etc. #editorchat

[20:35:07] jennipps: @merylkevans That reminds me of a blog post I’ve had simmering for a couple days. Um…the playing with words part, not the tat. #editorchat

[20:35:09] milehighfool: @hotspringer @GLHancock Rebecca, Georganna — welcome. Glad you could makeit. #editorchat

[20:35:17] littlebrownpen: Hi everyone. Nichole Robertson. Freelance writer, blogger, Copy Director for a German organic skin care brand. #editorchat

[20:35:44] jennipps: @anndouglas Hi, Ann. Thanks for the RT earlier. #editorchat

[20:35:54] chriswebb: Hello all. I am an Associate Publisher, John WIley & Sons. #editorchat

[20:36:12] hinder: Howdy all. I’m Katie writer and editor for a handful of publications and websites. #editorchat

[20:36:12] jennipps: @littlebrownpen Did you get a new avatar picture? Looks good. #editorchat

[20:36:15] LydiaBreakfast: Good Evening all, a hearty welcome from your co-host Lydia Dishman, freelance features writer #editorchat

[20:36:29] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen @AuldHouse @merylkevans Hey there. Thanks for joining us tonight. #editorchat

[20:36:48] LydiaBreakfast: @chriswebb Hi Chris, nice to see you thanks for coming #editorchat

[20:36:50] milehighfool: @chriswebb Welcome. Great to have you here. #editorchat

[20:36:58] littlebrownpen: @jennipps I did. I had to get rid of the winter hat. #editorchat

[20:37:08] LydiaBreakfast: @hinder Hey Katie thanks for coming #editorchat

[20:37:29] fixin2: Good evening. I’m Paul, news editor for a small daily newspaper in Mississippi. #editorchat

[20:37:58] milehighfool: @hinder Hey Katie. Good post re: freelancing failure. Valuable lessions for us all, I think. #editorchat

[20:38:00] LydiaBreakfast: @hotspringer Hey Rebecca good to see you #editorchat

[20:38:02] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:12] LydiaBreakfast: @fixin2 Hi Paul thanks for joining us #editorchat

[20:38:15] ErikSherman: Evening I’m a freelancer, contributing editor at BNET, write for various magazines, and a book here and there #editorchat

[20:38:19] milehighfool: @fixin2 Hi Paul. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:38:26] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Nichole you look lovely, with or without your hat #editorchat

[20:38:37] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Good evening Erik, welcome #editorchat

[20:38:58] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! I was teased quite a bit about it. But I have somewhere between two and three photos of myself. #editorchat

[20:38:59] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Good to see you again, Erik. See the news from Google I/O? I swear it’s the new Macworld. #editorchat

[20:39:04] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Jen, good to see you again #editorchat

[20:39:24] chriswebb: So as this is my first #editorchat, is there a topic for discussion tonight?

[20:39:45] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans hey Meryl, are you attempting three chats tonight? #editorchat

[20:40:08] jennipps: @chriswebb Yep. Either @milehighfool or @LydiaBreakfast will get us started with the first question in a few minutes. #editorchat

[20:40:09] LydiaBreakfast: @chriswebb radical monetization and we’ll start the questions soon #editorchat

[20:40:25] fixin2: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! Wasn’t sure I could make it; can hang for about 30-40 min. #editorchat

[20:40:33] milehighfool: @chriswebb There is. Radical monetization models in publishing. We’ll get to the Qs shortly. First, let me offer some rules. #editorchat

[20:40:37] SpecialDee: #editorchat Jumping in the convo, Special Sections Editor at Maine newspaper. Hello!

[20:40:51] merylkevans: @LydiaBreakfast Sure am! So far, so good… and trying to add one to my chat list at the moment. #editorchat

[20:40:55] LydiaBreakfast: @fixin2 excellent, tweeps are in and out all the time #editorchat

[20:41:05] milehighfool: Rule No. 1 Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:41:10] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Hiya Ms. Dee, thanks for stopping in #editorchat

[20:41:24] milehighfool: Rule No. 2 Stay on topic. #editorchat

[20:41:28] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans you are a wonder #editorchat

[20:41:36] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Trade shows as news making spots seem to go through phases. #editorchat

[20:42:09] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat

[20:42:19] ErikSherman: @LydiaBreakfast With the way things are going, radical monetization will be anything that works. #editorchat

[20:42:24] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:42:57] milehighfool: Rule No. 5: Refer to the question number when commenting. Q1, Q2, etc. #editorchat

[20:43:03] GLHancock: @ErikSherman tee! hee! That’s what I thought, too! #editorchat

[20:43:11] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman we’ll see what these fine tweeps come up with tonight. The new model may just be found in our chat. #editorchat

[20:43:27] studentoflife: RT @milehighfool Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.)#editorchat

[20:44:10] milehighfool: @ErikSherman (Wince.) Too true, but we’ll give it a whirl anyhow. We’ve seen some interesting ideas lately. #editorchat

[20:44:27] bacigalupe: Redundant Rule: Keep the comments short #editorchat

[20:44:37] rachelcw: Take 2. Rachel Weingarten – author/marketer/freelance writer/prognosticator & commentator All around helpful person #editorchat

[20:45:15] JDEbberly: Apologies for arriving here late! Traffic is bad here in N VA #editorchat

[20:45:21] LydiaBreakfast: @bacigalupe excellent point, thanks for that #editorchat

[20:45:51] ErikSherman: @milehighfool One just came into my email inbox – magazines considering iPhone apps. #editorchat

[20:45:52] JDEbberly: I apologize to my followers for excessive tweets as I enter Editorchat, which runs from 830pm to 10pm EST #editorchat

[20:45:59] LydiaBreakfast: @JDEbberly JD you just need to tweet on the side of the road #editorchat

[20:46:02] milehighfool: @bacigalupe More important yet not a rule: Keep comments relevant. #editorchat

[20:46:05] jennipps: @JDEbberly Good to see you! Glad you made it through the traffic. #editorchat

[20:46:41] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Not surprised, though I like the idea of Kindle DX subscriptions better. #editorchat

[20:46:56] milehighfool: @JDEbberly Glad you could make it, JD. #editorchat

[20:46:56] jennipps: @milehighfool Hm. It kind of is a rule. Goes along with the “Stay on topic” part. #editorchat

[20:47:13] rachelcw: oh yes, my apologies in advance if I seem to be tweeting on high speed, I’m about to enter #editorchat

[20:47:27] LydiaBreakfast: @rachelcw Rachel, welcome! #editorchat

[20:47:36] Dark_Faust: John Blyler, EiC for several technology trade pubs. This is the earliest that I’ve been here in a while. #editorchat

[20:47:41] bacigalupe: So the topic is the topic today? #editorchat

[20:47:42] ErikSherman: @milehighfool And just think – it could be worse. You could be in charge of Sirius XM. #editorchat

[20:47:52] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Oh, oh, hey, hey … Becky here from Iow-ay. #editorchat

[20:47:59] milehighfool: @rachelcw Welcome, Rachel. We can attest to how helpful you are. #editorchat

[20:48:05] LydiaBreakfast: So we are talking radical monetization tonight, in light of shrinking budgets in all media #editorchat

[20:48:19] rachelcw: waves hello to Lydia! thanks #editorchat

[20:48:27] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Wahoo! #editorchat

[20:48:30] shortformernie: @JDEbberly There’s a reason why I live in D.C. proper. #editorchat

[20:48:37] imagirlscout: @kgh23 just found this … You might be interested: Editorchat, which runs from 830pm to 10pm EST #editorchat

[20:48:43] JDEbberly: JD Ebberly here out of N VA – Writes articles on blogging and new media – Glad to be in Editorchat! #editorchat

[20:48:48] bacigalupe: What’s radical monetization? (oops, I will be spammed) #editorchat

[20:48:50] GLHancock: A friend asked me if I thought it would be a good idea to give all school kids Kindles and make texts electronic. Cal is broke! #editorchat

[20:48:53] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie Hiya Ernie, thanks for dropping in #editorchat

[20:48:55] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Right. The good news: I can’t tan like Mel Karmazin. #editorchat

[20:49:33] marciamarcia: Freelance writer w/ FastCo+, educator, editor, learner, mom, SoMe enthusiast. Thrilled to have a short break to join in on #editorchat

[20:49:36] merylkevans: @JDEbberly Lived in DC for six years… don’t miss the traffic itty bit. #editorchat

[20:49:40] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR Hey Becky! Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:49:43] Dark_Faust: Did anyone see the WSJ article about the shortage of investment analysts? Companies aren’t getting coverage which means lost $$. #editorchat

[20:50:01] Dark_Faust: Similar to the plight of editors in general. #editorchat

[20:50:05] AuldHouse: @bacigalupe I was about to ask the same thing–would like definition. #editorchat

[20:50:22] jennipps: @imagirlscout You’re both welcome to join in #editorchat. (BTW, hi from a fellow Okie.)

[20:50:23] bacigalupe: The #editorchat at the start is like taking off the jackets, picking up a drink, finding a sofa…

[20:50:27] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust do you have a link? #editorchat

[20:50:30] ErikSherman: @milehighfool That tan is proof of the existence of cyborgs. #editorchat

[20:50:58] milehighfool: What we mean by radical monetization = new or unproven models for monetizing content, be it reporting, books, etc. #editorchat

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[20:31:05] LydiaBreakfast: Good Evening tweeps and welcome to the 5/20 edition of our chat. Please introduce yourself and tell us what you do. #editorchat

[20:31:05] milehighfool: And we’re live. Please introduce yourself when you join. #editorchat

[20:31:09] GLHancock: @milehighfool Thanks. How are you tonight? This week? #editorchat

[20:31:49] jennipps: @milehighfool Hey, Tim! Good to see you. BTW…to you & @LydiaBreakfast…just turned in an article to a newsletter featuring #editorchat

[20:31:56] JaneFriedman: Hi everyone – Jane Friedman, Publisher/Editorial Director of Writer’s Digest (F+W Media) #editorchat

[20:32:12] milehighfool: @GLHancock Super busy. Not regretting the blogathon but, wow, it’s tough to add that to my regular writing schedule. You? #editorchat

[20:32:41] jennipps: Hi, all! Jen, fl writer in south Oklahoma writing about health, writing, creativity, plus-size issues, & everything in between. #editorchat

[20:32:42] JMegonigal: Jordana Megonigal, editor in chief for Upstate S.C. business publication (and soon others?) And I’m a GEN-X #editorchat

[20:32:56] ptsaldari: Hello from p.tsaldari #editorchat

[20:33:00] milehighfool: @jennipps Wow. I’m truly flattered, Jen. Thanks for thinking of us. #editorchat

[20:33:06] shortformernie: Howdy! Ernie Smith, Editor of super-awesome tightly edited news site ShortFormBlog: http://shortformblog.com/ #editorchat

[20:33:09] GLHancock: @milehighfool What blogathon or do you mean here and now? #editorchat

[20:33:11] booksandcorsets: Hi all, I’m an editor w/Sterling Publishing, working on branded books and the Hearst magazine lines #editorchat

[20:33:15] LydiaBreakfast: I am your co-host Lydia Dishman, freelance features writer covering business, food, travel and style for a pile o’ mags #editorchat

[20:33:16] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Hey! Checking in from Iow-ay, Land of Windy. #editorchat

[20:33:27] milehighfool: @JaneFriedman Glad you could make it, Jane. #editorchat

[20:33:44] jennipps: @milehighfool But of course! After it’s in print, I have OK from the editor to post it online. I’ll let you know when it’s up #editorchat

[20:33:44] shortformernie: But when I’m at work, I totally work at The Washington Post’s Express as a designer and visual editor duder. #editorchat

[20:33:47] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Hey Yay! #editorchat

[20:34:06] LydiaBreakfast: @booksandcorsets Fabulous thanks for coming! #editorchat

[20:34:07] dan_miranda: Hello everyone tweeting from a new account to make sure I don’t disturb anyone. You may know me as @timecommander #editorchat

[20:34:38] milehighfool: Your other co-host here. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, blogging at Quicken.com, writing daily. #editorchat

[20:34:40] GLHancock: Georganna, writer/editor/websites for writers; published since 1964; Luddite in electronic clothing. (not really the last one) #editorchat

[20:34:48] hinder: Hi. All. Katie HInderer – editor for teen mag, hip hop mag, and commercial real estate publication. Freelance writer too. #editorchat

[20:35:18] JenniferPerillo: Hi All. Jennifer Perillo, consulting food editor at Working Mother & freelance food writer/recipe developer. #editorchat

[20:35:23] PDXsays: lurking:at .@AboutUs hosting NTEN PDXTech Club: Online Story Telling by Roger Burks, Sr Writer, Mercy Corps. #Editorchat

[20:35:34] marciamarcia: Freelance writer w/ FastCo+, educator, editor, learner, mom, SoMe enthusiast. Thrilled to have a short break to join in on #editorchat

[20:35:35] merylkevans: Content Maven from Plano, TX who writes, edits and plays with words plus a little gamin’ and PR’in. #editorchat

[20:35:37] shortformernie: @dan_miranda Howdy, dude. #editorchat

[20:35:57] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo Yippee you made it! Now pass out those yummie bytes #editorchat

[20:36:03] JenniferPerillo: I’m doing #editorchat tonight, so pls filter if you like for the next hour.

[20:36:09] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia Hello Marcia thanks for coming #editorchat

[20:36:14] sooutdoors: #editorchat Lloyd here from Southern Ontario Outdoors. Writer, author, journalist.

[20:36:28] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans Hello Miss Meryl #editorchat

[20:36:44] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Lloyd, so glad you made it – I know the time is a crunch for you #editorchat

[20:37:00] milehighfool: @marciamarcia @merylkevans @JenniferPerillo Welcome, all. #editorchat

[20:37:15] milehighfool: @sooutdoors Hey, you made it. Sorry about the time crunch. #editorchat

[20:37:41] SpecialDee: #editorchat Special Sections editor @sunjournal, Maine, also Arts & Humanities student @usmlac

[20:37:52] milehighfool: @JaySlacks Glad you could make it, Jarvis. #editorchat

[20:38:02] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:11] JaySlacks: @LydiaBreakfast Jarvis Slacks, writing and adjunct english teacher and I forgot this part: #editorchat

[20:38:13] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Hello Special Dee #editorchat

[20:38:16] ellmcgirt: Heyo! Ellen McGirt, senior writer, Fast Company magazine, coming to hang awhile! I write feature stories, mostly. #editorchat

[20:38:18] JMegonigal: Hey all friends – for 1.5 hrs, filter me, filter me, filter me! (Unless you want to talk journalism!) #editorchat

[20:38:51] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Well thanks for the warm welcome. Doing the dinner dishes during #editorchat.

[20:38:57] LydiaBreakfast: @JaySlacks Brilliant, thanks for joining and lending us your perspective #editorchat

[20:39:03] milehighfool: @ellmcgirt Hi Ellen. Wow. Your first editorchat, I think. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:39:14] JMegonigal: @ellmcgirt YAY Ellen! Welcome! #editorchat

[20:39:17] LydiaBreakfast: @ellmcgirt Hooray No #utb jokes I’ll be good #editorchat

[20:39:18] SpecialDee: @merylkevans #editorchat I love the “play with words” it’s so functional.

[20:39:34] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Glad you could make it, Jordana. #editorchat

[20:40:04] LydiaBreakfast: So let me just remind everyone that editorchat is for writers and editors, anyone else is welcome to lurk #editorchat

[20:40:10] merylkevans: Another warning… entering a second tweetchat… so you may want to slam www.twittersnooze.com on me. #editorchat

[20:40:13] milehighfool: @sooutdoors Don’t we all? #editorchat

[20:40:33] milehighfool: Rules coming next. #editorchat

[20:40:37] ellmcgirt: This is my maiden voyage yes! I’m back and forth with my actual editor, so I’ll be off and on a bit. But am so happy to make it. #editorchat

[20:40:47] SpecialDee: @GLHancock #editorchat I am just learning about Luddites and Neo-Luddites in my Science, Technology & Society class.

[20:40:47] JMegonigal: @milehighfool Wouldn’t miss this one for the world!! #editorchat

[20:41:16] GLHancock: #editorchat

[20:41:21] milehighfool: Rule No. 1 Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:41:42] milehighfool: Rule No. 2 Stay on topic. #editorchat

[20:41:59] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat

[20:42:00] PDXsays: conceptor | writer | editoir in PDX. work with Brick | mortar biz to come to SoME. and strat up book authors | blog “journalists #Editorchat

[20:42:17] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:42:19] SpecialDee: Little tip for newbies: If you’re using TweetDeck you can follow this conversation in a separate column by doing a search for #editorchat

[20:42:37] milehighfool: Rule no. 5: Refer to the question number when commenting. Q1, Q2, etc. #editorchat

[20:43:07] dawndsokol: I’m a book designer and author…I’m just going to lurk. Hope that’s OK. #editorchat

[20:43:52] milehighfool: @dawndsokol Of course it is. Whatever suits you. Chime in anytime. We try to post transcirpts within a day or two. #editorchat

[20:44:01] LydiaBreakfast: For those of you who didn’t read the post on the topic, we will be discussing the generation gap and its effect on publishing. #editorchat

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[20:31:35] LydiaBreakfast: And we are live tweeps, welcome to the May 13th edition of our fine chat, where we will discuss “The Content Divide” #editorchat

[20:31:58] LydiaBreakfast: Please introduce yourselves and tell us what you do #editorchat

[20:32:57] SpecialDee: Looking forward to it: RT @LydiaBreakfast: discuss “The Content Divide” #editorchat

[20:33:11] JDEbberly: Hello everyone. I’m JD Ebberly and I write pieces on blogging and new media. I love this chat !! #Editorchat

[20:33:12] jennipps: Hi, everyone! Jen, fl writer from south Oklahoma. Write for TutorialBlog, OWFI Report, WritingforDollars, etc. #editorchat

[20:33:14] JMegonigal: Jordana Megonigal, editor of Business mag in Upstate S.C. and local publishing co. #editorchat

[20:33:23] SpecialDee: Special Sections editor in Maine #editorchat

[20:33:33] LydiaBreakfast: hello to already assembled chatters @shortformernie @beckydmbr @jennipps @katpowers @travelswithjenn @specialdee #editorchat

[20:33:37] KatPowers: Editor, Boston area #editorchat

[20:34:06] wordful: Aloha, I’m Charles Bohannan of Wordful from Hawaii. I’m an editor, writer and blogger, small business owner. #editorchat

[20:34:12] deegospel: Hi, I’m Dee Stewart. Contributing Editor for various Christian Entertainment publications. Blogger, PR, former journ #editorchat

[20:34:26] LydiaBreakfast: @JDebberly and @jmegonigal welcome #editorchat

[20:34:33] LydiaBreakfast: @deegospel Hi Dee #editorchat

[20:34:43] LydiaBreakfast: @wordful Aloha friend #editorchat

[20:35:06] milehighfool: Made it. Sorry I’m late, editorchatters. #editorchat

[20:35:08] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Like your new photo #editorchat

[20:35:19] travelswithjenn: Jennifer Netherby, freelance writer from Portland, Or. I write about entertainment and technology #editorchat

[20:35:22] hinder: Hey. I’m Katie a freelance writer/editor for a number of pubs and websites. Based in the Midwest now. #editorchat

[20:35:25] milehighfool: Glad everyone could make it. #editorchat

[20:35:31] shortformernie: What’s up yo? Ernie Smith, designer at Wash. Post Express, editor of ShortFormBlog (http://shortformblog.com/) And I wear hats! #editorchat

[20:35:34] retheauditors: Francine McKenna in Chicago, Author and Editor of http://retheauditors a blog focused on the business of the Big 4 audit firms #editorchat

[20:35:46] AndyBumatai: RT @Wordful: Aloha, I’m Charles Bohannan of Wordful from Hawaii. I’m an editor, writer and blogger, small business owner. #editorchat

[20:35:47] LydiaBreakfast: @hinder Hi Katie! #editorchat

[20:35:49] thewritermama: Hi, my name is Christina Katz, I’m an author, speaker, writing instructor and the pub/ed of three e-zines. (waving) #editorchat

[20:35:50] JaneFriedman: Hi everyone – Publisher/Editorial Director of Writer’s Digest at F+W Media #editorchat

[20:35:52] KBordessa: Kris Bordessa, family, fun and travel writer for nationals as well as author of several books. Will try to keep up! #editorchat

[20:35:57] LydiaBreakfast: @retheauditors So glad you came! #editorchat

[20:36:02] ErikSherman: I’m Erik Sherman, freelance print journalist, blogger at BNET, editor, book author, photographer #editorchat

[20:36:04] milehighfool: Keep introducing yourselves as you join. I’ll get us going with the rules. #editorchat

[20:36:13] Single_Shot: Hey folks. Diane Mapes, your friendly neighborhood freelance writer from Seattle, covering health, lifestyle & the singles beat #editorchat

[20:36:19] LydiaBreakfast: @JaneFriedman Hi Jane – thanks so much for joining us #editorchat

[20:36:30] merylkevans: Typing from windy Plano, Texas, where I do everything words — write, edit, research and play. #editorchat

[20:36:35] LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot Yay! #editorchat

[20:36:42] milehighfool: Jabe, Christina, Francine, Erik — welcome. #editorchat

[20:36:51] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Welcome, please pass the potstickers #editorchat

[20:37:01] TamarahLand: Hello all, TL here. I am a freelance writer and blogger #editorchat

[20:37:07] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans Hello Texas Meryl #editorchat

[20:37:12] jennipps: @merylkevans Meryl, I didn’t realize you’re in Plano. We’re practically neighbors. lol. I’m in Ada, OK. About 3-ish hours away. #editorchat

[20:37:15] milehighfool: Jabe? Ugh. *Jane*. Sticky fingers — sorry about that. #editorchat

[20:37:15] littlebrownpen: Hi all. Nichole Robertson, freelance writer currently working on a few travel and Paris lifestyle pieces #editorchat

[20:37:22] LydiaBreakfast: @KBordessa Kris, thanks for coming #editorchat

[20:37:38] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast Thanx — will try to earn that “yay!” ; ) #editorchat

[20:37:42] LydiaBreakfast: @TamarahLand TL thanks for coming tonight #editorchat

[20:38:00] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Hiya Nichole #editorchat

[20:38:02] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:03] KBordessa: @LydiaBreakfast I often pop in to watch, but keeping up at dinner time is hard! #editorchat

[20:38:27] merylkevans: @jennipps Howdy there, neighbor! Excuse me while I go into a silent rendition of Oklahoma! I can’t help it! #editorchat

[20:38:27] milehighfool: Rule No. 1 Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:38:31] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast Hi! Really looking forward to tonight’s #editorchat #editorchat

[20:38:38] LydiaBreakfast: @KBordessa in and out is fine too, just glad you are here #editorchat

[20:38:55] milehighfool: Rule No. 2 Stay on topic. #editorchat

[20:39:01] jennipps: @merylkevans lol. Heck, sometimes even I do it. Though often not-so-silent. #editorchat

[20:39:25] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat

[20:39:57] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:39:58] deegospel: Hi, Twuddies. For the next 1/2 hour I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.

[20:40:16] merylkevans: @jennipps Well, I’m tone deaf. Actually, completely deaf. So I’d only embarrass myself and make everyone mad in my household. #editorchat

[20:40:27] jennipps: @milehighfool I know I’m weird, but this is my favorite rule. lol. #editorchat

[20:40:46] merylkevans: Busy with @smallbizchat and @editorchat. If I am making you crazy… just hit http://twittersnooze.com/ for a day. #editorchat

[20:40:49] milehighfool: And a new rule — no. 5: Refer to the question number when commenting. Q1, Q2, etc. #editorchat

[20:41:05] LydiaBreakfast: For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.RT @deegospel #editorchat

[20:41:20] milehighfool: @jennipps Mine too, Jen. Mine too #editorchat

[20:41:29] jennipps: @merylkevans I thought I’d seen where you had mentioned that sometime before. #editorchat

[20:41:54] milehighfool: For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.RT @deegospel

[20:41:55] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s give everyone a couple more minutes to introduce before we start the Qs #editorchat

[20:41:58] JDEbberly: @merylkevans It’s really tough trying to follow TWO chats simultaneously #Editorchat

[20:41:59] KatPowers: will be hyper-chatting with editors. Think about http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep, via @deegospel #editorchat

[20:41:59] JMegonigal: Hey tweeps…for the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep!

[20:42:04] hinder: RT For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.

[20:42:23] jennipps: @milehighfool I always laugh a little and think if it were only possible… #editorchat

[20:42:46] merylkevans: @JDEbberly Not really. I have TweetChat open in two tabs. One for #smallbizchat and one for #editorchat

[20:43:01] Hergett: Missing out on #editorchat for a birthday celebration. Happy-sad.

[20:43:31] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Happy birthday wishes, sorry you won’t be with us #editorchat

[20:43:34] milehighfool: @Hergett Happy Birthday — we’ll see you next time. #editorchat

[20:43:36] jennipps: @Hergett Aww. Well, happy birthday to the birthday boy/girl. #editorchat

[20:43:44] ErikSherman: I’m on #editorchat for the next hour or so. Use http://www.twitttersnooze.com to ignore my tweets

[20:43:46] JaneFriedman: For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.

[20:43:49] dodgemedlin: Hey all. Mark Dodge Medlin of the San Diego U-T, stopping by #editorchat, where I’ll probably mostly lurk. #editorchat

[20:43:52] KBordessa: @merylkevans Wow – I can barely keep up w/one and you’re watching two?? #editorchat

[20:44:17] LydiaBreakfast: @dodgemedlin Mark, welcome. Don’t be shy #editorchat

[20:44:41] SpecialDee: I like to follow chats in TweetDeck by doing a search for #editorchat which creates a column of chat tweets. How do you follow the chat?

[20:44:47] wetzeledit: Howdy. Not sure if I can keep up but will try to pop in. Wendy Wetzel, freelance copyeditor. #editorchat

[20:44:49] shortformernie: @dodgemedlin Greetings, man. #editorchat

[20:44:57] GLHancock: Newbie to #editorchat, but not to editing. Please be patient with me. #editorchat

[20:45:05] hotspringer: Good evening. I’m Rebecca McCormick, multimedia travel writer from Hot Springs, Ark. #editorchat

[20:45:13] Single_Shot: Don’t know if it’s something I said (typed?), but the twittersnooze website isn’t opening for me. #editorchat

[20:45:36] merylkevans: @KBordessa Well, maybe it helps I am on a laptop sitting up in my comfy bedroom with the right lighting away from noisy kids. #editorchat

[20:46:07] deegospel: URL Change: Put me on http://www.twittersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep. #editorchat

[20:46:08] Jenbenjenben: Another newbie here, too. Longtime editor turned SAHM starting to freelance again. #editorchat

[20:46:10] LydiaBreakfast: So talking about the content divide, you know amid cutbacks is a stated desire among some publishers to produce more content #editorchat

[20:46:14] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Wha? Why in the world would you want to put *us* on snooze? Think of the spit-takes you’ll miss. #editorchat

[20:46:29] LydiaBreakfast: @GLHancock Hi there, welcome. Join in as you can #editorchat

[20:46:35] shortformernie: @Single_Shot thre were three ts in the link; take one out. #editorchat

[20:46:35] JDEbberly: @GLHancock You’re welcome to join us here at Editorchat, GL! #Editorchat

[20:46:50] LydiaBreakfast: @Jenbenjenben Excellent thanks for joining #editorchat

[20:46:56] dodgemedlin: @shortformernie Hey Ernie. How goes it? #editorchat

[20:47:00] JDEbberly: @Jenbenjenben Welcome to Editorchat, Jen! Glad you’ve dropped by tonight #Editorchat

[20:47:00] deegospel: @Single_Shot the url is http://www.twittersnooze.com my bad #editorchat

[20:47:18] milehighfool: @Jenbenjenben Glad you could make it. Welcome. #editorchat

[20:47:49] KatPowers: RT @deegospel @Single_Shot the url is http://www.twittersnooze.com my bad #editorchat #editorchat

[20:48:24] LydiaBreakfast: Talking about content, we know that community is a way to bridge the emerging content divide, where few writers are doing more #editorchat

[20:48:24] rjreports: Hi! I’m actually a writer, on staff at the San Diego Reader … Hopefully I’m still welcome #editorchat

[20:48:40] luckychica: Hello Everyone. First time on #editorchat. Former journo, now freelance writer/editor and captain of my own site for women. #editorchat

[20:48:43] Single_Shot: @milehighfool Never! Just hadn’t seen the site & wanted to suss it out. It’s working now (thanks to RT). #editorchat

[20:48:52] LitChat: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Let’s give everyone a couple more minutes to introduce before we start the Qs #editorchat

[20:48:53] shortformernie: @dodgemedlin OK, just working my butt off per ush. #editorchat

[20:49:12] Single_Shot: @KatPowers Thanks! #editorchat

[20:49:12] milehighfool: Right. We’re seeing a lot of evidence of a widening content divide in all areas of publiishing. #editorchat

[20:49:14] LydiaBreakfast: Q #1 Editors: Are you to trying to find new ways to generate more content, even with mandates to cut staff ? #editorchat

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[20:30:23] milehighfool: And we’re live. Please introduce yourself when you join, #editorchat
[20:30:47] LydiaBreakfast: Good evening tweeps, welcome to another edition of #editorchat
[20:31:31] LydiaBreakfast: Lydia Dishman here, co-hosting along with my pal Tim Beyers @milehighfool #editorchat
[20:31:42] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast Hi everyone. I’m Dan Miranda and I’m the thirteen year old blogger who’s the face behind http://bit.ly/cyt #editorchat
[20:32:29] milehighfool: @timecommander Hi Dan. Glad you could make it. #editorchat
[20:32:41] netta50: Yay, #editorchat! I’m working and tweeting, so pardon my lapses. I’m Netta and I’m a freelance writer/editor. Missed you guys the last 2 wks
[20:32:46] joecortez: Evening! Freelance Writer Joe Cortez on this end — will be lurking on Editor Chat tonight! Looking fwd to good conversation! #editorchat
[20:32:48] JDEbberly: J. D. Ebberly out of N Virginia, I write pieces about blogging & new media and I really enjoy Editorchat! #editorchat
[20:33:08] LydiaBreakfast: @joecortez Hi Joe, don’t just lurk, join the discussion #editorchat
[20:33:11] KatPowers: Good evening, #editorchat #editorchat
[20:33:19] LydiaBreakfast: @JDEbberly Hola JD #editorchat
[20:33:21] UrbanMuseWriter: I’m Susan, a Boston-based writer/blogger who covers business and lifestyle topics for consumer & trade pubs. #editorchat
[20:33:40] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers Glad you made it! #editorchat
[20:33:42] milehighfool: @netta50 Good to see you again, Netta. #editorchat
[20:33:53] LydiaBreakfast: @UrbanMuseWriter Hi Susan, welcome #editorchat
[20:33:54] milehighfool: @JDEbberly Thanks for joining us again, JD. #editorchat
[20:33:54] joecortez: @LydiaBreakfast I’ll pipe in where I feel its appropriate – I’m working on client content 2nite so I’m going back & forth! #editorchat
[20:34:07] SpecialDee: I’m a Maine-based newspaper special sections editor, glad to be here #editorchat
[20:34:08] timecommander: @joecortez Hey Joe, you just wrote an excellent post on what we say online and how it can be used against us. #editorchat
[20:34:22] milehighfool: @UrbanMuseWriter Hi Susan. Thanks for coming tonight. #editorchat
[20:34:22] netta50: @milehighfool Very glad to be here #editorchat
[20:34:50] milehighfool: @SpecialDee Hey there. Our special sections ed. Glad you could make it. #editorchat
[20:35:00] wordful: Charles Bohannan in Hawaii. I blog about writing, blogging and finding a balance between being practical and creative. Aloha! #editorchat
[20:35:07] deegospel: Hi, Twuddies. For the next hour I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.
[20:35:21] joecortez: @timecommander Thanks for the props — really appreciate the praise from an accomplished blogger! #editorchat
[20:35:22] Hergett: Rachel Hergett, reporter/editor at Bozeman Daily Chronicle. Will be in and out of #editorchat tonight.
[20:35:41] LydiaBreakfast: @wordful Hey Charles Welcome aboard #editorchat
[20:35:45] milehighfool: @wordful Hey Charles. Must be beautiful on the islands about now. #editorchat
[20:35:52] TamarahLand: good evening. newbie blogger, freelance writer. first time in #editorchat
[20:36:01] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Hi Rachel – nice to see your (real) face #editorchat
[20:36:04] littlebrownpen: Hi all. Nichole Robertson. Freelance writer and copy director for an organic skin care brand. #editorchat
[20:36:10] judywriter: I’m Judy. I write about construction – comm’ll & residential – & about baby boomers for a trade pub & writing a book on same. #editorchat
[20:36:13] wordful: @milehighfool Yes it is, just about all the time I guess #editorchat
[20:36:16] LydiaBreakfast: @deegospel Welcome, so glad you came #editorchat
[20:36:21] timecommander: @joecortez “accomplished blogger.” Didn’t think you even knew who I was! #editorchat
[20:36:22] milehighfool: Keep introducing yourselves as you join. I’ll get us going with the rules. #editorchat
[20:36:31] LydiaBreakfast: @TamarahLand Great thanks for coming #editorchat
[20:36:49] deegospel: @LydiaBreakfast I’ve been missing it. Glad I remembered. #editorchat
[20:36:50] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Hi Nichole #editorchat
[20:36:51] milehighfool: Rule No. 1 Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.
[20:37:01] joecortez: @timecommander We’ve talked before here and I lurk on your blog…you put out some good stuff! #editorchat
[20:37:07] LydiaBreakfast: @judywriter Hi Judy, thanks for joining #editorchat
[20:37:11] netta50: *waves* to all joining #editorchat
[20:37:12] shortformernie: Hey all, missed last week. Ernie Smith, designer, Wash. Post Express, editor ShortFormBlog (http://shortformblog.com) Woot! #editorchat
[20:37:19] milehighfool: Rule No. 2 Stay on topic. #editorchat
[20:37:26] B2BMKTGCHAT: how many marketers particpating in #editorchat? #b2bmktgchat
[20:37:45] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie Ernie so glad you could make it #editorchat
[20:37:54] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat
[20:38:03] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw
[20:38:12] LydiaBreakfast: @B2BMKTGCHAT 0. This is for editors and those who work with them #editorchat
[20:38:14] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat
[20:38:21] timecommander: @joecortez Glad to hear. Always happy to hear about a new reader. #editorchat
[20:38:33] Hergett: @LydiaBreakfast I guess I’m coming out of my shell sans avatar! #editorchat
[20:38:38] BaileyMcC: Hi all Bailey managing editor @Civsource & writer @ various other places #editorchat
[20:38:54] deegospel: Hi. I’m Dee Stewart, owner of PR firm in Atlanta specializing in entertainment and green businesses. #editorchat
[20:39:00] judywriter: @LydiaBreakfast Hi! I’ve missed it for a few times & it’ll be good to sink my teeth into again. #editorchat
[20:39:44] milehighfool: @deegospel Hi Dee. You’re welcome to lurk but editorchat is for editors and those who work with them. #editorchat
[20:40:01] WillRogersPaper: Joining in – Randy Cowling from Claremore Daily Progress #editorchat
[20:40:38] LydiaBreakfast: @WillRogersPaper Hello Randy thanks for coming #editorchat
[20:40:40] milehighfool: @judywriter Glad to have you back, Judy. Should be great to have a fresh voice in our continuing discussion re: innovation. #editorchat
[20:40:53] deegospel: @milehighfool I’m also an editor of a Christian Magazine. Thanks! #editorchat
[20:41:41] milehighfool: @deegospel Great. Would love to have your perspective as an editor. #editorchat
[20:42:02] shortformernie: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! Glad to be back! #editorchat
[20:42:04] BeckyDMBR: Hey, all! Becky here in Iow-ay! #editorchat
[20:42:22] LydiaBreakfast: So folks, this is a continuation of our discussion on innovations in our business #editorchat
[20:42:29] milehighfool: A warm up before we start: Anyone absolutely, positively going to buy the new Kindle? #editorchat
[20:42:33] judywriter: @milehighfool Thanks! Just got back from Construction Writers Assn. conference & am all inspired & fired up. #editorchat
[20:42:34] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Woot! #editorchat
[20:42:36] deegospel: @milehighfool NP. #editorchat
[20:42:59] deegospel: @milehighfool I’m thinking about the Kindle DX. I like that the screen is larger. #editorchat
[20:43:04] LydiaBreakfast: as Amazon unveils its large format Kindle DX, billed as a potential savior of the newspaper industry. We’re not so sure. #editorchat
[20:43:09] JDEbberly: @milehighfool I want that new Kindle so badly I can taste it! #editorchat
[20:44:10] WillRogersPaper: @milehighfool: No on Kindle #editorchat
[20:44:25] milehighfool: As I trample on Lydia’s opener. The point remains. In a discussion re: innovation the Kindle is big news. #editorchat
[20:44:30] shortformernie: @milehighfool Buy?! It should be subsidized 100% by the newspaper companies! #editorchat
[20:44:57] deegospel: @LydiaBreakfast I agree. If you can read most of the newspaper online for free. Why would the Kindle be it’s savior? #editorchat
[20:45:04] judywriter: @milehighfool I’m absolutely NOT going to buy it! I have a Gen 1 & don’t like it much. Gen 2 better but not gonna pay twice. #editorchat
[20:45:15] netta50: The price tag is pretty steep, but it’s on my wish list. #editorchat
[20:45:22] milehighfool: @shortformernie Fitting. So. Fitting. #editorchat
[20:45:44] deegospel: @milehighfool I think it’s great for magazines, because most magazines site don’t share as much content as newspapers #editorchat
[20:46:15] LydiaBreakfast: Kindle or no, what are you doing to move into this next era of publishing? We want to talk about what has worked and hasn’t. #editorchat
[20:46:43] judywriter: @shortformernie I agree w/ you too! #editorchat
[20:46:55] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast Kindle or no, what are you doing to move into this next era of publishing? #editorchat
[20:47:09] UrbanMuseWriter: @milehighfool I’m not convinced that I need a Kindle. I already do a lot of reading on my BlackBerry, plus I have an iPod. #editorchat
[20:47:14] milehighfool: Please remember to mark your answers with Q1, Q2, etc. #editorchat
[20:47:30] shortformernie: @lydiabreakfast You should see the rugburns on my face from being so close to the cutting edge. It stings. #editorchat
[20:47:32] wordful: #kindle really need to be in color — then I’ll consider buying it #editorchat
[20:47:51] melodyhritt: #editorchat not sure about buying the Kindle DX yet but this is the first time I’ve been tempted.
[20:47:53] deegospel: what question are we on? #editorchat
[20:48:09] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie that is why I have hardwood floors. Smoother #editorchat
[20:48:10] Hergett: I agree with @UrbanMuseWriter “I’m not convinced that I need a Kindle. I already do a lot of reading on my BlackBerry…” #editorchat
[20:48:59] LydiaBreakfast: @deegospel Q1 about moving into the next era – what has worked? #editorchat
[20:49:04] timecommander: @milehighfool $489 is a bit pricey. I’ll pass. #editorchat
[20:49:08] judywriter: Re next era of publishing: It’s all about new media, SM, online video, interactivity. Getting it funded is another subject, tho #editorchat
[20:49:16] KatPowers: Q1 Don’t we all have a stockpile of gadgets we thought were the greatest kicking around? Pairing down to a laptop and phone #editorchat
[20:50:01] shortformernie: Q1: Clearly, the Cuecat. That did wonders for the Dallas Morning News, didn’t it? #editorchat
[20:50:07] judywriter: @wordful I agree. The more it’s like Zinio, the better. #kindle #editorchat
[20:50:20] deegospel: q1: Creating Online Communities & providing content the community wants like Essence Magazine does is a step forward #editorchat
[20:50:45] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast Q1: social media is the future. but I agree with @KatPower. I can do just fine with a laptop and phone. #editorchat
[20:50:51] milehighfool: Q1 Devil’s Advocate: So if we don’t need the Kindle, why is it selling, and why are digital subs to the NYT selling for it? #editorchat
[20:50:51] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie can you explain to those who might not know what that is? #editorchat
[20:51:27] LydiaBreakfast: @timecommander are you homeschooled? #editorchat
[20:51:31] joecortez: Q1: Publishing needs to take new approaches that SM, Broadcast, Online, & Gadgets can not. Bring readers back w/deep content. #editorchat
[20:51:36] timecommander: @milehighfool Because the marketing behind it is genius. #editorchat
[20:51:40] shortformernie: @LydiaBreakfast Sure. Basically Belo spent a bunch of money around the time of the dot-com bubble on these barcode devices. #editorchat
[20:51:43] BeckyDMBR: Some papers are offering Kindles at lower cost w/subscriptions. Hmm. Wonder how much lower? #editorchat
[20:51:47] SuburbNews: The price of some terrific gadgets saddens me and makes me concerned about equal access for poor, even middle class. #editorchat
[20:51:54] UrbanMuseWriter: @milehighfool I will probably buy a Kindle someday but right now I just don’t feel the need to spend the $$ #editorchat
[20:51:55] JDEbberly: Q1 The Kindle is selling because there are always ppl who love gadgets. Like me! #editorchat
[20:52:03] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast Ha, I’ve gotten that question a lot. No I’m not, I just manage my time effectively. #editorchat
[20:52:18] KatPowers: Why Kindle? RT@timecommander @milehighfool Because the marketing behind it is genius. #editorchat #editorchat
[20:52:27] milehighfool: @timecommander I’m not so sure. I think it’s because there’s an advantage to consolidating reading material. #editorchat
[20:52:31] shortformernie: @LydiaBreakfast And they cost them a TON of money because nobody wanted them and they were useless. #editorchat
[20:52:53] LydiaBreakfast: @timecommander laptops are usually the domain of homeschoolers #editorchat
[20:52:58] deegospel: q1: @milehighfool The Kindle is needed. Going Green isn’t just a celeb trend; it very well will be the future, but… #editorchat
[20:53:08] JDEbberly: RT @KatPowers: Why Kindle? RT@timecommander @milehighfool Because the marketing behind it is genius. #editorchat #editorchat
[20:53:15] judywriter: Q1: At conf I just went to, we talked about how hard it is to know/predict who’ll respond to what. Surprises, not all good. #editorchat
[20:53:23] shortformernie: That’s what we have to be afraid of when we look at things like the Kindle. The Kindle could be just like the Cuecat. #editorchat
[20:53:25] milehighfool: @shortformernie Thus the danger with innovation. But back to the question: What’s working? #editorchat
[20:53:37] deegospel: q1: the beauty of newsprint–I hope–doesn’t entirely go away. #editorchat
[20:53:38] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast laptops are the domain of thirteen year old children in general. #editorchat
[20:53:46] milehighfool: @judywriter What was the worst or most surprising? #editorchat
[20:54:05] LydiaBreakfast: @judywriter that is why it is good to fail quickly, get out and do the next thing #editorchat
[20:54:05] superjaberwocky: @Hergett I don’t need a Kindle, but I would be on top of a large-format iPod Touch in an instant. #editorchat
[20:54:43] judywriter: Q1: What’s working is to engage ppl in stories (hard to predict which ones’ll draw), and keep pumping out content. #editorchat
[20:54:44] BeckyDMBR: @timecommander Genius marketing? Howso? #editorchat
[20:54:59] milehighfool: Twitter is working well for me as a trendspotter. The tweestream has become my breaking news feed. #editorchat
[20:55:08] deegospel: q1: What’s working? For the mags I contribute to as an editor, using SMS helps mag connect faster with their subscribers #editorchat
[20:55:17] shortformernie: I think what’s worked best so far has been the combining of Web technologies. Which newspapers are always afraid to do. #editorchat
[20:55:39] deegospel: q1: building membership sites is a way that magazines can still add revenue #editorchat
[20:55:43] milehighfool: @judywriter So we know Twitter is an engagment tool for us writers. What about Facebook and other SM. Are you using it? #editorchat
[20:55:48] KatPowers: Q1 what works is getting folks to respond immediately to stories. They get addicted. Comments, sending emails, it’s all good #editorchat
[20:55:51] judywriter: @milehighfool Worst was when we invested a lot in a major story & got more comments on a throwaway story. $$$$ #editorchat
[20:55:55] netta50: I think the appeal of Kindle is green, portability, and attractive to techies. #editorchat
[20:56:23] milehighfool: @shortformernie Yes! Mashuos — combining Web content from two or more sources into one — are easier to do now. #editorchat
[20:56:23] JDEbberly: RT @deegospel: q1: building membership sites is a way that magazines can still add revenue (I agree.) #editorchat
[20:56:35] judywriter: @LydiaBreakfast Absolutely, have to fail quickly. HARD to do in a big co. That’s why publishing co’s are struggling. #editorchat
[20:56:36] anti9to5guide: Dang, I just realized I’m missing #editorchat!
[20:56:49] shortformernie: Q1: Someone’s already built what you need – the secret is trying not to own the market but to build on top of it. #editorchat
[20:56:55] LydiaBreakfast: Facebook is too slow after using twitter. Fan and group pages are static and don’t invite discussion #editorchat
[20:56:58] JDEbberly: @anti9to5guide Welcome Back! #editorchat
[20:57:07] LydiaBreakfast: @anti9to5guide No you’re not, here you are #editorchat
[20:57:10] judywriter: @milehighfool I use FB, LinkedIn, & (obviously)twitter. Am speaking about it tomorrow, in fact. Ppl don’t get it at all! #editorchat
[20:57:17] milehighfool: Whoa. Did I say Mashuos? Sounds like potatoes gone wrong. I meant mashups. #editorchat
[20:57:22] netta50: @milehighfool FB, not so much. It’s bloated and a time suck, if not managed properly. #editorchat
[20:57:38] shortformernie: Q1: My last paper, Link, was a really great idea journalistically, and from a content and design perspective it killed. #editorchat
[20:57:40] joecortez: Q1: I agreee with @shortformernie — all the tools are there; its time to find the best application for the job at hand. #editorchat
[20:57:45] deegospel: q1: @mario1123 membership sites is a tough one? #editorchat
[20:57:47] deegospel: #editorchat
[20:58:00] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Jump in Michelle #editorchat
[20:58:02] judywriter: @milehighfool I went thru the same thing with the Web. “WHY use it?” “No good” “Too time consuming” “No value” “Play, not work” #editorchat
[20:58:17] shortformernie: Q1: But it got the Web wrong. It was late and it tried to build its own site around old technology instead of mashups. #editorchat
[20:58:30] milehighfool: @judywriter Right. So very mid-90s. #editorchat
[20:58:39] UrbanMuseWriter: RT @netta50: @milehighfool FB, not so much. It’s bloated and a time suck, if not managed properly. (I’m so over FB!) #editorchat
[20:58:42] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool I was trying to figure out what language mashuos was. #editorchat
[20:58:58] shortformernie: Q1: And that was a corporate failing, BTW – they didn’t prioritize the Web the way they could have. #editorchat
[20:59:12] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR Potato Latin. #editorchat
[20:59:20] jennipps: Forgot what time #editorchat started. Trying to log in from home.
[20:59:25] shortformernie: Why build your own garden when you can buy from the farmer’s market? #editorchat
[20:59:33] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie aren’t we looking at the same problem now? #editorchat
[20:59:35] anti9to5guide: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Thx. Can’t stay long, but did wanna drop in. Freelance writer focused on career stories right now. #editorchat
[20:59:37] deegospel: q1: I also think that building exclusive events sponsored by the mag like Pink & Skirt Mag does is working for certain mags #editorchat
[20:59:50] milehighfool: RT @shortformernie: Why build your own garden when you can buy from the farmer’s market? #editorchat
[20:59:52] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Hi Jen #editorchat
[21:00:05] judywriter: Q1: What works is to keep technology open, don’t make it hard for ppl to participate, i.e., go thru a lot of hoops to join in. #editorchat
[21:00:24] netta50: @UrbanMuseWriter I know, right? It’s starting to be annoying, like Myspace. #editorchat
[21:00:40] judywriter: @shortformernie They’re doing the same thing w/ social media. Not getting it, not prioritizing it, not funding resources for it. #editorchat
[21:00:55] milehighfool: @deegospel Yes. Exclusivity is a time-tested strategy. #editorchat
[21:00:58] LydiaBreakfast: @judywriter agreed – am less likely to leave a comment if I have to create a profile first #editorchat
[21:00:58] KatPowers: RT@judywriter Q1: What works is to keep technology open, don’t make it hard for ppl to participate, i.e., go thru a lot of hoop #editorchat
[21:01:09] UrbanMuseWriter: @deegospel yes, but neither mag is doing well. Pink went quarterly & I believe Skirt has stopped publishing, at least in Boston #editorchat
[21:01:14] BeckyDMBR: @shortformernie Build your own garden if you like the act of gardening. #editorchat
[21:01:32] WillRogersPaper: Still alot of graybeards not wanting to throw in the towel and mesh print and online. Can it be all or nothing? #editorchat
[21:01:40] milehighfool: So where’s the win when it comes to innovation? How have you benefited readers by embracing innovation? #editorchat
[21:01:49] LydiaBreakfast: @UrbanMuseWriter Skirt used to be independent, now like a franchise #editorchat
[21:01:59] deegospel: q1: @UrbanMuseWriter Skirt’s publishing in Atlanta. I’m in Atlanta. #editorchat
[21:02:09] shortformernie: @judywriter EXACTLY. A hamfisted approach to the Web is not what we need right now. #editorchat
[21:02:17] dodgemedlin: Hey all. Mark Dodge Medlin of The San Diego Union-Tribune here, keeping half an eye on #editorchat, the other 1.5 eyes on work. #editorchat
[21:02:30] LydiaBreakfast: @WillRogersPaper I don’t think all or nothing is a viable part of the new vocabulary #editorchat
[21:02:30] UrbanMuseWriter: @netta50 Too busy, too many vampire bites & pokes & prods & stuff I don’t understand #editorchat
[21:02:52] milehighfool: A Foolish example: I often tweet follow-ups to my Fool.com stories. Twiter exclusives, per se. #editorchat
[21:02:53] LydiaBreakfast: @dodgemedlin Hey Mark – thanks so much for coming #editorchat
[21:02:59] UrbanMuseWriter: @LydiaBreakfast The Boston editor announced at a panel last week that she got laid off bc they’re not publishing #editorchat
[21:03:32] judywriter: @LydiaBreakfast Co’s want to keep track of participants but ppl don’t want a hassle or to give out their info. #editorchat
[21:03:37] milehighfool: @dodgemedlin Thanks for droppng by, Mark. We’ll try not to make you cross-eyed. #editorchat
[21:03:40] LydiaBreakfast: @UrbanMuseWriter the one we have in Gville is so skinny it may as well not exist #editorchat
[21:03:57] JMegonigal: Q1:We decided NOT to put our mag digital (we want ppl to PAY for it) but we built website to complement. Has worked well so far. #editorchat
[21:03:58] anti9to5guide: @JDEbberly Thanks. Nice to be here. #editorchat
[21:04:00] judywriter: @shortformernie Hamfisted. Great word. And so dead on!! #editorchat
[21:04:22] judywriter: @shortformernie You must be a writer. LOL #editorchat
[21:04:28] shortformernie: @milehighfool Big and small. Every time we put a TinyURL in print telling readers to get even more information. #editorchat
[21:04:36] milehighfool: @UrbanMuseWriter Colorado’s books seem to be doing better. 5280 has been a Nat. Mag. Award winner. #editorchat
[21:04:36] KatPowers: @JMegonigal What do you put in one that does not go in the other? #editorchat
[21:04:44] netta50: @UrbanMuseWriter Exactly. Simple interface is so much better. You lose people with complicated and inane. #editorchat
[21:04:53] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal yes it has! Have you all seen Business Black Box? Great pub #editorchat
[21:05:29] lauriemeisel: Hi I was lurking. I’m the Web Producer for Architectural Record w/exp in newsletter/site editing #editorchat
[21:05:30] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Why couldn’t they also pay for digital? isn’t a mind-shift needed? #editorchat
[21:05:52] milehighfool: @lauriemeisel Glad you could make it. #editorchat
[21:06:06] LydiaBreakfast: @lauriemeisel Hi Laurie, jump on in #editorchat
[21:06:10] judywriter: A pub shut down 15 regional mags & laid off everybody. I thought why not redirect to the Web? Dumb, IMHO. #editorchat
[21:06:14] shortformernie: Q2: Where I’m at with Express is encouraging a continuing of the interest in the story, whether or not we have the full thing. #editorchat
[21:06:21] milehighfool: @netta50 The irony: It’s often far more complex to create something simple and elegant. #editorchat
[21:06:26] bobbyrettew: @JMegonigal Just got my @InsideBlackBox copy at the HOUSE! GREAT JOB! Very clean and INNOVATIVE! #editorchat
[21:06:39] JMegonigal: @KatPowers Expert blogs on one, full features; different articles in print. They tease back and forth, but dont cross. #editorchat
[21:06:57] ohmgee: hiya. popping tweetchat cherry. art director of oregon business magazine, former newspaper designer and tweets as @nwspprscppln #editorchat
[21:07:00] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast You’re sweet. #editorchat
[21:07:04] shortformernie: Q2: So, our long-term goal for building fact boxes – since we’re short – is to let readers know where else to go online. #editorchat
[21:07:42] JMegonigal: @milehighfool could, but our market hasn’t “gotten” there yet. They still dont see a lot of value in web/digital (at least paid) #editorchat
[21:07:45] LydiaBreakfast: @ohmgee we’ll be gentle, promise #editorchat
[21:07:57] milehighfool: @shortformernie You’re the gateway to helping them get smarter. Isn’t that the currency of the Web? #editorchat
[21:08:31] WillRogersPaper: @LydiaBreakfast I agree wholeheartedly…problem is that’s a large obstacle. What I heari is simple interface, mashup of content #editorchat
[21:09:23] digitalsista: seems to be a bunch of chats going on tonight #editorchat #smallbizchat
[21:09:26] shortformernie: @milehighfool You got it. You can’t get the Web on the Metro. But you can get Express. We do our job if you go back to the Web. #editorchat
[21:09:34] netta50: @milehighfool Agreed, but worth it.U should’nt have to give a pint of blood for access, or B threatened with brain draining apps.#editorchat
[21:10:08] deegospel: i’ve lost track of the last question. #editorchat
[21:10:16] LydiaBreakfast: OK Q3, Has anyone found a good way to do long form writing? #editorchat
[21:10:19] milehighfool: @netta50 No more Zombie software. or zombie content, for that matter. #editorchat
[21:10:51] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Either on the Web or in print, yes? Speaks to how the Web seems to be killing the long form. #editorchat
[21:10:54] shortformernie: @LydiaBreakfast Considering my Twitter name, I’m leaving this one alone #editorchat
[21:11:36] ohmgee: @LydiaBreakfast whew. thank you! =) #editorchat
[21:11:37] stephauteri: @LydiaBreakfast: What do you mean re: Q3? (I’m late.) In terms of finding a market for it? #editorchat
[21:11:41] PDXsays: @LydiaBreakfast hi Lydia.. at @AboutUs for a presentation on editing and use if wikipedia and journalism #wikiwed #editorchat
[21:11:48] judywriter: Do readers benefit from innovation? We’ll, “innovation” is often barely “catching up.” Readers benefit from more & better. #editorchat
[21:11:51] milehighfool: @shortformernie Oh come on, Ernie. Take a sta. Make it bleed. Is the long form really dead? #editorchat
[21:11:55] anti9to5guide: Do you mean no. 2 pencil vs. laptop? Kidding. I still like essays for anthologies & the few media outlets that buy ‘em. #editorchat
[21:12:06] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie C’mon Ernie, if you were going to do it, how would you? Sequential narrative? #editorchat
[21:12:11] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast I’m not sure long form is viable anymore. #editorchat
[21:12:17] wordful: Long form writing works when the narrative creates a highly engaging, sacred space. Stevepavlina.com is a good example of this. #editorchat
[21:12:18] KatPowers: Whoops! Mother in law called. What is Q3? #editorchat
[21:12:22] LydiaBreakfast: @PDXsays Hi, ooh that sounds good! #editorchat
[21:12:35] milehighfool: Because I don’t buy it. I’m of the mind that the Web and social media offer limitless opporunities for low-cost experimentation. #editorchat
[21:12:36] joecortez: Q3: Long form is never dead — that’s effectively what books are. Very, VERY long form. #editorchat
[21:12:45] LydiaBreakfast: @stephauteri how to do it, how to find a market, etc. #editorchat
[21:13:11] judywriter: @LydiaBreakfast Q3, leaving that one alone too. #editorchat
[21:13:19] LydiaBreakfast: @joecortez LOL #editorchat
[21:13:45] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers Has anyone found a good way to do long form writing? #editorchat
[21:13:48] stephauteri: Q3: Finding a market for it is so tough. Everything now is listicles and bullet points and charts and graphs. #editorchat
[21:13:48] shortformernie: @milehighfool @lydiabreakfast I’ve banked my entire career on anything but the long form. I’d say it’s not my forte. #editorchat
[21:13:51] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Essay is a perfect form for the Web. Look at Salon and Slate. #editorchat
[21:13:52] deegospel: q3: White Paper. I love a Moleskine Notebook. Makes me feel intelligent #editorchat
[21:14:03] UrbanMuseWriter: Q3 outside of books, the outlets for long-form NF is shrinking, which is as shame. #editorchat
[21:14:29] WillRogersPaper: Long form can survived if enhanced with images, video and audio #editorchat
[21:14:31] shortformernie: Q3: But that said, I do think the long form never really died on the Web. Have you seen how long some blog posts are? Really? #editorchat
[21:14:33] anti9to5guide: Yes, Salon/Slate are the bomb. #editorchat
[21:14:37] deegospel: @mario1123 lol #editorchat
[21:14:39] stephauteri: Q3: But I love those sites that still traffic in long-form stuff. As @milehighfool says, sites like Salon are a godsend. #editorchat
[21:14:41] JMegonigal: Q3: IWill we see a new trend emerge? mags; long-form mags; books. Trend for mags points to bit info. But long form not dead yet! #editorchat
[21:14:45] DavisFreeberg: I think that longform content is more attractive to niche audiences than the masses. If your pub is focused it has more value #editorchat
[21:15:19] milehighfool: So who’s had success writing the long form recently? Anyone? Longer than, say, 1,200 words. (Which used to be short.) #editorchat
[21:15:20] judywriter: @milehighfool I agree re limitless opportuniies for low-cost experimentation. Gotta love change in this business! #editorchat
[21:15:25] anti9to5guide: Just printed out a couple mediabistro articles on outlets that buy essays. It’s from 2008. Half of them are probably gone now. #editorchat
[21:15:36] LydiaBreakfast: RT @WillRogersPaper Long form can survived if enhanced with images, video and audio #editorchat
[21:15:41] deegospel: q3: @milehighfool Oh I agree. #editorchat
[21:15:45] shortformernie: Q3: Ultimately, if you have a good article and it’s compelling, people will read it. Really, short-form is for sorting the junk. #editorchat
[21:16:02] stephauteri: @anti9to5guide: I believe the MB guides are being updated right now. Thank god. #editorchat
[21:16:14] milehighfool: @JMegonigal I badly want to see a new magazine dedicated to nothing but the very best essays. Or is it already out there? #editorchat
[21:16:18] judywriter: @deegospel LOL #editorchat
[21:16:38] anti9to5guide: Yeah, sure, something for a book anthology that I wrote last month. #editorchat
[21:16:42] JMegonigal: @jamieprince That’s true. There’s a psych response to mags and books that papers dont have. Does that = Survival? Maybe. #editorchat
[21:16:44] UrbanMuseWriter: @anti9to5guide They’re working on updating & adding a part 3. Stay tuned! #editorchat
[21:16:49] stephauteri: @milehighfool: I just did a 2,000-word piece for Nerve. They kept cutting and cutting, though. #editorchat
[21:16:52] milehighfool: @shortformernie Disagree. When done well, the short form is pure art. #editorchat
[21:17:00] judywriter: Long form isn’t my fave. I could never get through a New Yorker. #editorchat
[21:17:02] SpecialDee: Q1 Great content is fine but the user experience must be enjoyable or the visitor will go to a site that is enjoyable/easy2use #editorchat
[21:17:15] joecortez: Q3: If you are passionate about the topic, and give a reason to find out how the story ends, they’ll follow the long form thru. #editorchat
[21:17:22] netta50: The definition of flash fiction is under 1500 words. What definition is “long form”? #editorchat
[21:17:33] WillRogersPaper: If sites are Hyperlocal, or Hyperfocus on niche – long form connects with a community or specific market – content still drives #editorchat
[21:17:44] stephauteri: Long-form has always been my fave, but being a paid blogger has made my ability to write long-form suffer. #editorchat
[21:17:47] mobienthusiast: Who is tweeting #editorchat questions please?
[21:17:48] UrbanMuseWriter: RT @milehighfool: @shortformernie Disagree. When done well, the short form is pure art. (here, here! almost like a haiku) #editorchat
[21:17:53] fixin2: Sorry I’m late to the dance. News editor for small daily in Mississippi. #editorchat
[21:17:57] JMegonigal: @milehighfool Not that I’m aware, but there r essay mags that r still VERY strong, right? think Harpers and New Yorker as stds. #editorchat
[21:18:08] anti9to5guide: @stephauteri @UrbanMuseWriter Yeah, saw that post on upod, which is why I went to check the earlier one(s). #editorchat
[21:18:11] shortformernie: @milehighfool There’s an art to sorting the junk. #editorchat
[21:18:12] milehighfool: @stephauteri Outstanding. What details can you share about the assignment itself? Was the length intimidating for the ed.? #editorchat
[21:18:14] SpecialDee: Q1 difference between reading from computer screen and reading from paper; screens use diff neuro paths. #editorchat
[21:18:41] deegospel: RT @LydiaBreakfast: OK Q3, Has anyone found a good way to do long form writing? #editorchat
[21:19:02] LydiaBreakfast: @mobienthusiast I do the Qs #editorchat
[21:19:10] wordful: @shortformernie I don’t know…you seem to have a really artful touch with the short form on your blog. #editorchat
[21:19:19] stephauteri: @milehighfool: It was actually the length they originally asked for, but they’ve suddenly decided to go shorter across the board #editorchat
[21:19:28] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Q3 Still good mags out there. Most, if not all, are online as well, though. #editorchat
[21:19:33] stephauteri: @milehighfool: Bad timing for me, I suppose! #editorchat
[21:19:40] lauriemeisel: Q3 I don’t see long form on the web sustaining itself nowadays w/o the extra images or multimedia. Web audiences bore faster #editorchat
[21:19:43] milehighfool: @SpecialDee Wow. That sounds so William Gibson. What’s the net neuro result? #editorchat
[21:19:54] anti9to5guide: Since you bring up short online attention spans, curious, what is everyone’s max word length they’ll read in a reported column? #editorchat
[21:20:15] SpecialDee: Q1 adding diff types of media 2 site such as videos 2 accompany stories, podcasts, live chats 2 engage readers 3 times/week. #editorchat
[21:20:22] deegospel: q3: I love long form writing. I get very little requests outside of Lit & Industry Trade Journals to write. #editorchat
[21:20:38] stephauteri: @anti9to5guide: I think it depends on how compelling a piece is, especially in the first few graphs. #editorchat
[21:20:42] SuburbNews: Agree RT @WillRogersPaper If sites are Hyperlocal- long form connects with a community or specific market – content still drives #editorchat
[21:20:50] deegospel: @anti9to5guide 250 words #editorchat
[21:20:51] LydiaBreakfast: @anti9to5guide printed I can read thousands of words. Online, two page clicks, maybe three #editorchat
[21:21:00] stephauteri: @anti9to5guide: I’ll follow a piece for pages if the first few graphs pull me in. #editorchat
[21:21:09] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Most of the time, I write to 600 words. #editorchat
[21:21:12] shortformernie: @wordful To clarify: By sorting the junk, I mean organization and clarity. A good editor can clear the hay and find the needle. #editorchat
[21:21:28] DavisFreeberg: @anti9to5guide it depends on the content. I’ll spend all night reading a boring 200 page legal doc if it’s the right topic. #editorchat
[21:21:55] fixin2: Q3: I think long form on the Internet will have to be interspersed and supplemented with other media, broken into series. #editorchat
[21:21:59] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Which I know is crazy short. Wrote a 900-word query last night. #editorchat
[21:22:00] netta50: Online web copy assignment for me rarely exceed 500 words. #editorchat
[21:22:05] deegospel: @LydiaBreakfast I rarely scroll past the screen. My book blog was created with short form in mind, but my readers want more… #editorchat
[21:22:28] anti9to5guide: Interesting. I have an online column that’s supposed to be at least 2 screens 750 words. I often wind up at 1K words, 3 screens. #editorchat
[21:22:32] PDXsays: @LydiaBreakfast I am not sure about others’tweets in room.. hope they are contributing to body of knowledge #wikiwed #editorchat
[21:22:38] milehighfool: @DavisFreeberg Right. All depends on the content, and the reader’s needs. #editorchat
[21:22:50] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Wowza, that must’ve been some article you’re pitching! #editorchat
[21:22:50] DavisFreeberg: pagination has more to do with whether or not I keep reading an article, then the actual length #editorchat
[21:22:59] wordful: @shortformernie thanks for clarifying. Good editorial skills are must-have on the web. So much–I mean SO much–junk out there. #editorchat
[21:23:07] pomahony2: I am reading #editorchat. I wish that every 5 min, they would stop and they would tell us newbies what they are talking about @pomahony2
[21:23:15] TheaPatrick: Just checkin in,following the chat but no comment yet;great advice @shortformernie ! www.happilymarriedafter.wordpress.com #editorchat
[21:23:45] JMegonigal: Bouncing in, bouncing out. Goodnight, all. #editorchat
[21:23:47] shortformernie: @anti9to5guide My blog: 100 words is a stretching-it maximum. Some posts are as short as six words. #editorchat
[21:23:48] milehighfool: @netta50 Same. But I badly want to push the limits. I want to prove that there’s life after trying an anecdotal lede. #editorchat
[21:23:50] anti9to5guide: @deegospel I initially gasped when you said “250 words,” but yeah, color me long-winded. #editorchat
[21:24:10] LydiaBreakfast: @pomahony2 we are on long form writing – how to do it and where to sell it #editorchat
[21:24:16] WillRogersPaper: Content that connects is key, multimedia essential, frequency of postings &updates – how important? I agree Org key 4 long form #editorchat
[21:24:16] anti9to5guide: @shortformernie Fun. Going to check it out this evening. #editorchat
[21:24:17] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Personal essay, it turns out. Wish me luck #editorchat
[21:24:30] UrbanMuseWriter: @DavisFreeberg it’s like Disneyland, where you’re tricked into waiting 45 min for a ride, bc ou don’t see how long the line is #editorchat
[21:24:54] netta50: @milehighfool My roots are in flash, so I’ve had to adapt to fit a lot of info in much less space. #editorchat
[21:24:57] wordful: RT @shortformernie @wordful By sorting junk, I mean organization and clarity. A good editor can clear the hay & find the needle #editorchat
[21:25:02] SuburbNews: @shortformernie Six words? Wow. And people thought 140 characters wasn’t enough! #editorchat
[21:25:08] AbsoluteWrite: So no – the longform isn’t dead. In some ways, in terms of fiction, might see a renaissance – and NF should get a lift from that #editorchat
[21:25:12] lauriemeisel: Q3 Even w/an engaging piece, if it is split w/too many pages online, readers drop off. And page splits are due to ad $$ #editorchat
[21:25:13] milehighfool: @WillRogersPaper Frequency also seems to be part of the new currency. On the Web, readers are like a hungry child. #editorchat
[21:26:10] netta50: @milehighfool That’s the CLIENT’S specs. They’re ordering shorter articles for their web copy. #editorchat
[21:26:08] KatPowers: RT @milehighfool @WillRogers Paper Frequency also seems to be part of the new currency. On the Web, readers are like a hungry ch #editorchat
[21:26:13] stephauteri: RT @wordful: By sorting junk, I mean organization and clarity. A good editor can clear the hay & find the needle. #editorchat
[21:26:32] milehighfool: @AbsoluteWrite That’s encouraging. But I wonder if the expectations are different for fiction? #editorchat
[21:26:32] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Good luck! Everyone’s fave thing to write, those PEs. #editorchat
[21:26:55] judywriter: @milehighfool Yeah, but the hungry children seem to prefer sugar to vegetables. Makes it a challenge for “real” stories. #editorchat
[21:27:03] stephauteri: @wordful: You’re so right. As traumatized as I was by my truncated essay, it was also nicely tightened in the editing process. #editorchat
[21:27:32] milehighfool: RT @judywriter Yeah, but the hungry children seem to prefer sugar to vegetables. Makes it a challenge for “real” stories. #editorchat
[21:27:43] fixin2: RT @judywriter: Yeah, but the hungry children seem to prefer sugar to vegetables. Makes it a challenge for “real” stories. #editorchat
[21:27:48] AbsoluteWrite: @milehighfool #editorchat Sure, until we see NF e-books take off the way, say, paranormal romance.
[21:27:49] deegospel: q3: @fixin2 usually if i have a more than 250 words on any of my columns I use utterli or btr to create a podcast they can hear #editorchat
[21:28:10] deegospel: @anti9to5guide lol i’m usually reading online content on my blackberry #editorchat
[21:28:11] WillRogersPaper: @milehighfool updating content online = TV channel surfers – view & move on. Give them something new each time they will return #editorchat
[21:28:18] LydiaBreakfast: Q4 – With sugar vs. veggies in mind, Editors, what are you doing to engage and work more effectively with writers? #editorchat
[21:28:26] wordful: @stephauteri Maybe I RTed that Editor statement wrong. @shortformernie said it, give him credit. #editorchat
[21:28:40] anti9to5guide: @stephauteri So great how much you can learn from a thoughtful editor who has the time to prune your piece. #editorchat
[21:29:06] SuburbNews: @judywriter Funny. Coworker calls them “broccoli stories.” Long stories eg lawsuit re: pension debacle. Dry, boring but imp. #editorchat
[21:29:11] stephauteri: RT @shortformernie: By sorting junk, I mean organization and clarity. A good editor can clear the hay & find the needle. #editorchat
[21:29:28] stephauteri: @wordful: Thanks dude! My bad. #editorchat
[21:29:31] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q4 – Editors, what are you doing to engage and work more effectively with writers? #editorchat
[21:29:49] KatPowers: Sooo many writers don’t understand what the new expectations are online. Communicating that is key (Is that Q4? Q5?) #editorchat
[21:30:01] deegospel: RT @lauriemeisel: Q3 Even w/an engaging piece, if it’s split w/many pages online, readers drop off. & page splits R due 2 ad $$ #editorchat
[21:30:05] anti9to5guide: @deegospel Ah, that explains it. I need to remember that some people are reading our work on a two-inch screen. #editorchat
[21:30:15] WillRogersPaper: A4 – talk, talk, talk with writers. explore angles, glean nuggets, help them connect with reader #editorchat
[21:30:21] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers Q4 #editorchat
[21:30:23] milehighfool: @SuburbNews A perfect opportunity for innovation, no? Why do long stories have to be boring? Can’t they be dramatic and newsy? #editorchat
[21:30:37] judywriter: Q4. It’s good to have a mix of both types. Easier to get the variety w/ a lot of freelancers, especially now w/ high unemploy. #editorchat
[21:30:44] JMegonigal: Q4: try to build and maintain a SMALL pool/writers who know us + who we can spoil w/ conferences or food every once and a while. #editorchat
[21:30:54] KatPowers: @LydiaBreakfast d’oh! #editorchat
[21:30:56] jennipps: Hi, everyone! Bad connection at home finally let me in. Jen, freelance writer in south Oklahoma. #editorchat
[21:31:14] UrbanMuseWriter: @KatPowers tell us more! what do you wish writers did differently? #editorchat
[21:31:34] judywriter: @SuburbNews Certain ppl need those dry-but-important stories, & it establishes the pub as the authority. #editorchat
[21:31:34] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal hmmm food? drinks too? #editorchat
[21:31:39] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Excellent. And your branch office in Colorado opens when? #editorchat
[21:31:49] JMegonigal: Q4 I’ll pay for conferences for whole pool when I can – it builds them up and pays off for ME in the long run! #editorchat
[21:32:13] Hergett: @SuburbNews: @judywriter “Broccoli stories” possibly a reference to Lamott’s “Bird by Bird” #editorchat
[21:32:16] milehighfool: @jennipps Glad you made it, Jen. Talking about innovation success stories. #editorchat
[21:32:17] AbsoluteWrite: @milehighfool #editorchat in terms of longer form NF (10-20K words) It’s an area to examine, and e-book for handheld is the clear platform
[21:32:37] KatPowers: @UrbanMuseWriter You can’t wait for a print deadline, file now; Write with SEO in mind (Use name of town, not just “police said” #editorchat
[21:33:04] milehighfool: @AbsoluteWrite Agreed. This is one of those area where the Kindle could be a killer app. An iTablet from Apple, too. #editorchat
[21:33:18] DavisFreeberg: I bet brief but frequent articles is better 4 pubs that use ad revenue, while long is better for those who charge subscriptions #editorchat
[21:33:25] deegospel: @AbsoluteWrite Ebook. Yes, I agree. #editorchat
[21:33:45] milehighfool: RT @KatPowers: You can’t wait for a print deadline, file now; Write with SEO in mind (Use name of town, not just “police said” #editorchat
[21:33:49] SuburbNews: @Hergett I’ll ask him Yes, agree @milehighfool. Challenge is to make them more readable, compelling. Good writing, multimedia #editorchat
[21:33:50] judywriter: @Hergett That’s way too high-brow for me. I’m a NASCAR fan. LOL #editorchat
[21:33:55] jennipps: @KatPowers But at the same time, don’t write SEO for the sake of SEO or it doesn’t sound right. #editorchat
[21:34:09] JMegonigal: @milehighfool As soon as I can get there. #editorchat
[21:34:19] milehighfool: @KatPowers So should today’s writers also be bloggers to learn these sorts of innovations? #editorchat
[21:34:28] deegospel: @Hergett I love “Bird by Bird” #editorchat
[21:34:34] KatPowers: @jennipps But there’s an art to it. #editorchat
[21:34:50] judywriter: @KatPowers The problem is that so few writers understand SEO. And they keep changing what the search engines pick up. #editorchat
[21:34:50] UrbanMuseWriter: @jennipps I think it becomes more natural with practice, but I’ve had to tell clients their SEO goals will destroy good content #editorchat
[21:35:13] KatPowers: @milehighfool I think blogging helps, but a good editor explaining the rules of the road will help most #editorchat
[21:35:16] jennipps: @KatPowers There definitely is that. #editorchat
[21:35:31] KatPowers: @judywriter And that’s why I’m learning from all you folks on twitter. #editorchat
[21:35:34] jennipps: @UrbanMuseWriter Agreed on all counts. You can spot the first SEO articles I did a mile away. lol #editorchat
[21:35:49] deegospel: @milehighfool Maybe not Blog owners, but it wouldn’t hurt for them to guestblog #editorchat
[21:35:50] judywriter: @milehighfool All pub writers should also be bloggers, IMHO. Adds dimension & personality. #editorchat
[21:35:51] milehighfool: @UrbanMuseWriter That officially qualifies you for writing sainthood in my book. #editorchat
[21:36:10] KatPowers: @UrbanMuseWriter I think you’re right that it can stink, but a little SEO goes a long way #editorchat
[21:36:25] UrbanMuseWriter: I won’t put a certain word in every post title just bc you want to rank higher for that word. It has to make sense! #editorchat
[21:36:30] LydiaBreakfast: so should editors start teaching SEO to their writers, or is it up to the writers to get schooled? #editorchat
[21:36:43] milehighfool: @KatPowers Yes. There’s really few things better than having a good editor to guide you. #editorchat
[21:36:46] KatPowers: RT @judywriter @milehighfool All pub writers should also be bloggers, IMHO. Adds dimension & personality. #editorchat
[21:36:56] jennipps: @KatPowers That’s a lesson I had to learn quickly. I’m not saying I’ve completely mastered it, but I feel like I’m getting there #editorchat
[21:37:00] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @KatPowers Yes. There’s really few things better than having a good editor to guide you. #editorchat
[21:37:18] KatPowers: @milehighfool A good editor who makes cookies is best #editorchat
[21:37:20] deegospel: @JMegonigal Yey for Anne Lamotte @Hergrett #editorchat
[21:37:29] SpecialDee: @KatPowers Blogs r community builders. What are blogs? Portals 2 topic-based world of information, comments, links, multimedia? #editorchat
[21:37:36] milehighfool: @KatPowers I agree. All freelancers, especially. Shows off your talent and topical interests to editors. #editorchat
[21:37:41] deegospel: RT @KatPowers: @milehighfool A good editor who makes cookies is best #editorchat
[21:37:41] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast I’d say it’s up to the individual writers to learn SEO. That’s not to say eds can’t point out good resources tho #editorchat
[21:37:50] SpecialDee: @milehighfool It’s the screen flicker that affects the way online content is read AND understood #editorchat http://bit.ly/pTeGm
[21:38:50] JDEbberly: I definitely agree with you Jen that writers need to learn SEO. Lots of great blogs about it. #editorchat
[21:39:05] KatPowers: @SpecialDee Maybe I like them on blogs as that’s how I learned this web stuff #editorchat
[21:39:17] JMegonigal: @jennipps Agreed. SOME editor are leaders and will take it on themselves to teach, train, stretch. Many just have a title. #editorchat
[21:39:31] lauriemeisel: @milehighfool Interesting point re: writers being bloggers. Good bloggers have learned what is needed to keep readers returning #editorchat
[21:39:40] deegospel: Editors should know SEO. I edit for SEM, and let the writer just Write. #editorchat
[21:39:44] joecortez: SEO is proof that you know your audience — and how to interact with them. If you don’t know, better ask somebody! #editorchat
[21:39:45] milehighfool: What about communication tools? Anyone tried creating editorial social networks using tools like Yammer? #editorchat
[21:39:55] KatPowers: @JDEbberly what’s the best blog to send a reporter to to learn SEO? #editorchat
[21:40:17] UrbanMuseWriter: Q4 Lately, I’ve found that the eds I work w/ don’t have a formal style guide. I can read the pub, but clear expectations help #editorchat
[21:40:31] jennipps: @JMegonigal I think relying on eds to teach writers is a mistake. Our initiative is part of what puts us above others query-wise #editorchat
[21:40:32] SpecialDee: Q3 I think long form on the web is fine but it is tied to design: typography, graphics. #editorchat
[21:40:42] JDEbberly: @KatPowers I’ll have to get back to you on that. #editorchat
[21:40:56] deegospel: @KatPowers @skydiver @problogger @chrisbrogran are great starts #editorchat
[21:41:06] milehighfool: Yammer is like a private version of Twitter, BTW. #editorchat
[21:41:30] wordful: If you focus on writing clear, concise and compelling copy, you will naturally write keyword-dense copy. [I stole this statement #editorchat
[21:41:32] AbsoluteWrite: #editorchat We’ve used LJ groups, conference AIM chats, private messageboard rooms, Google docs, and wikis, to good effect
[21:41:38] jennipps: @milehighfool Thanks for that. I’d heard of Yammer but never what it was like/about. #editorchat
[21:41:41] stephauteri: RT @jennipps: I think relying on eds to teach writers is a mistake. Our initiative is part of what puts us above others. #editorchat
[21:41:43] AngEngland: RT @judywriter: @milehighfool All pub writers should also be bloggers, IMHO. Adds dimension & personality. #editorchat
[21:42:10] JDEbberly: @deegospel Yep, @ChrisBrogan and @Problogger are really great at SEO #editorchat
[21:42:16] milehighfool: @joecortez Your audience, or your search engine? Do SEO and audience really correlate that closely? #editorchat
[21:42:16] SpecialDee: Q3 There are different “rules” for what is pleasing to the eye in print and what is pleasing on the web. #editorchat
[21:42:24] shortformernie: @wordful Nice steal! I agree with that completely. #editorchat
[21:42:33] KatPowers: Google groups has worked for a number of us, @milehighfool #editorchat
[21:42:37] anti9to5guide: Have to duck out. My date/dinner is here and I’m still in my robe. Thx for the great chat, folks. #editorchat
[21:43:02] deegospel: @anti9to5guide have a great night. #editorchat
[21:43:04] LydiaBreakfast: @anti9to5guide enjoy the date #editorchat
[21:43:05] RTseo: RT @milehighfool @joecortez your audience, or your search engine? do seo and audience really correlate that closely? #editorchat
[21:43:07] KatPowers: I mean Google Docs. Google Groups? #editorchat
[21:43:23] Hergett: SEO is crucial for eds today, but how to convince privately-held (aka stodgy ) papers it’s necessary is still a challenge for me #editorchat
[21:43:29] JDEbberly: http://chrisbrogan.com and http://problogger.net are great blogs to learn SEO #editorchat
[21:43:35] SpecialDee: Q3 special sections may have 8 pages 2 provide quality articles. Both online and in print = 500 word articles, 750 maximum. #editorchat
[21:43:35] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Have fun. #editorchat
[21:43:36] lauriemeisel: @LydiaBreakfast Both. editors need to know SEO as do effective web writers #editorchat
[21:43:56] KatPowers: @Hergett When your page views are bigger than theirs, they’ll get it #editorchat
[21:44:05] JMegonigal: @jennipps True. Can’t rely. But editors who CAN lead, should. #editorchat
[21:44:08] joecortez: @milehighfool If your audience can’t find you, what good is the content? That being said, writers can also overdose on SEO… #editorchat
[21:44:11] KatPowers: @JDEbberly woot! #editorchat
[21:44:20] AbsoluteWrite: @LydiaBreakfast The problem is excessive SEO SEV keyword-loading can actually count as spam and too often writers Don’t Get It #editorchat
[21:44:24] shortformernie: @anti9to5guide Have a good one! #editorchat
[21:44:28] jennipps: @JMegonigal I have no argument with that. #editorchat
[21:44:34] netta50: RT @lauriemeisel: @LydiaBreakfast Both. editors need to know SEO as do effective web writers #editorchat
[21:44:37] joecortez: @milehighfool Your point is understood though — balancing quality content with SEO is truly a science. #editorchat
[21:44:50] JMegonigal: @milehighfool We are now building an intranet for our writers where they can pick up assignments, get resources, billing, etc. #editorchat
[21:44:59] JaySlacks: I wish writers could spend more time writing and less time on the business end of things. But those days are over. #editorchat
[21:45:01] LydiaBreakfast: Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check? #editorchat
[21:45:11] GetResults: Like RT @JDEbberly I definitely agree w U Jen that writers need 2 learn SEO. Lots of great blogs about it. #editorchat – pitch 2 strength
[21:45:18] LydiaBreakfast: That was Q 5 folks – Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check? #editorchat
[21:45:39] UrbanMuseWriter: @JMegonigal your intranet sounds fantastic – a great central resource for writers! #editorchat
[21:45:41] KatPowers: @JaySlacks I don’t remember a time there wasn’t a biz end to writing #editorchat
[21:45:45] milehighfool: @joecortez I’m sure that’s true. Wish I had a better understanding of it. Seems to be an area where writers can help. #editorchat
[21:46:00] deegospel: @AbsoluteWrite exactly that’s why i edit for SEO and SEM. don’t want writers losing their voice #editorchat
[21:46:27] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: That was Q 5 folks – Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check? #editorchat
[21:46:38] CathyWebSavvyPR: RT @joecortez: @milehighfool Your point is understood though — balancing quality content with SEO is truly a science. #editorchat
[21:47:09] LydiaBreakfast: Switching gears from SEO to sourcing : Q5 Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check? #editorchat
[21:47:15] KatPowers: Q5 @milehighfool the humble link? Keeps a lot of folks honest #editorchat
[21:47:16] milehighfool: Also, an early killjoy warning as Q5 goes out: 10 minutes till we’re back to intros and a link, if you want to post one. #editorchat
[21:47:23] netta50: @JaySlacks Me too. I spend more times sometimes on the biz end than actual writing.#editorchat
[21:47:24] deegospel: RT @LydiaBreakfast: q5: Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check? #editorchat
[21:47:39] JDEbberly: RT @joecortez: @milehighfool Your point is understood though — balancing quality content with SEO is truly a science. #editorchat
[21:47:52] merylkevans: I think many writers who claim to have SEO and SEM expertise really do not. Many don’t even know the difference between them. #editorchat
[21:48:26] jennipps: Q5 – I’m on the lookout for additional sourcing sites other than HARO. I use Twitter some for this… #editorchat
[21:48:38] milehighfool: @KatPowers A link rather than a pitch. So if you have a site or a blog, tell us. #editorchat
[21:49:03] jennipps: @merylkevans I admit I need to learn about SEM. #editorchat
[21:49:24] merylkevans: Q5: Social networks. Blogs, LinkedIn, Twitter. #editorchat
[21:49:43] milehighfool: @merylkevans (Raises hand.) I don’t know the difference. #editorchat
[21:50:10] merylkevans: @jennipps The problem is that SEM is about buying ads & keywords, not writing. I wrote about the difference – tough article. #editorchat
[21:50:25] LydiaBreakfast: @milehighfool difference between “optimization” and “marketing” #editorchat
[21:50:41] UrbanMuseWriter: Q5 Anyone used PitchRate.com? Sounds similar to HARO but I haven’t tried it #editorchat
[21:50:45] LydiaBreakfast: paid vs. free #editorchat
[21:50:52] JaySlacks: @netta50 I think part of that is our impatience as writers. We want recognition badly. Good writing takes decades, not years. #editorchat
[21:51:24] netta50: @jennipps Twitter is a great gateway. #editorchat
[21:51:44] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Which is which? Paid / free? #editorchat
[21:51:55] milehighfool: @JaySlacks True. And that’s discouraging for a lot of would-be writers who don’t want to enjoy the journey. #editorchat
[21:52:02] LydiaBreakfast: @JaySlacks Agreed – did you read Gladwell’s Outliers? He argues it takes 10K hours to become really good at anything #editorchat
[21:52:04] merylkevans: @UrbanMuseWriter Q5: PitchRate is nice. It’s a web site and you can receive emails. Also media kitty, but not completely free. #editorchat
[21:52:04] netta50: @JaySlacks Agreed. That’s part of it. The other part is earning a living as you go. Balance is hard to find. #editorchat
[21:52:18] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR SEO free, SEM pay #editorchat
[21:52:41] CathyWebSavvyPR: RT @merylkevans: Q5: Social networks. Blogs, LinkedIn, Twitter. #editorchat
[21:52:51] milehighfool: On Q5: Has anyone successfully used FB for sourcing? LinkedIn? #editorchat
[21:52:55] LydiaBreakfast: RT @netta50 Agreed. That’s part of it. The other part is earning a living as you go. Balance is hard to find. AMEN! #editorchat
[21:53:02] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR SEO free, SEM pay #editorchat
[21:53:11] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast K. Thanks. #editorchat
[21:53:22] bacigalupe: Following the #editorchat discussion, hard to respond quickly with my itouch, thank you all for the great ideas on lenght and scope
[21:53:33] JaySlacks: @KatPowers But there was a time where the writing was more important than the business. That’s gone, sadly. #editorchat
[21:53:33] jennipps: @milehighfool Facebook, never. LinkedIn, I’ve gotten close but it didn’t work out. #editorchat
[21:53:44] JMegonigal: @milehighfool We used LinkedIN recently. VERY efficient. Cut the column time by 75% easy. #editorchat
[21:53:50] UrbanMuseWriter: @milehighfool HARO grew out of a FB group & I used it when it was on FB #editorchat
[21:54:01] merylkevans: SEO – organic… drives your site’s pages to higher results on search engines. SEP – paid placement and lots of testing. #editorchat
[21:54:10] bacigalupe: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Facebook is too slow after using twitter. Fan and group pages are static and don’t invite discussion #editorchat
[21:54:20] merylkevans: @merylkevans That’s SEM not SEP! #editorchat
[21:54:28] netta50: It’s the rare non-fiction writer that doesn’t indulge in their fiction habit. Fiction takes longer; NF pays the bills. #editorchat
[21:54:47] DavisFreeberg: @milehighfool I’ve used LinkedIn b4. Glassdoor is also good resource. My fav though is reverse server searches via yougotsignal #editorchat
[21:54:52] milehighfool: Where else? Name one great must-use source before we close. #editorchat
[21:55:07] JBMovies: @merylkevans I don’t pay for ppl to visit my site. Everything based on ppl conversing with me, or PR #editorchat
[21:55:09] judywriter: @milehighfool Q5. I’ve found twitter to be exceptional for sources, FB not much, LinkedIn for prof colleagues. #editorchat
[21:55:12] UrbanMuseWriter: @UrbanMuseWriter Sometimes I’ll post a FB status update about the sources I need. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. #editorchat
[21:55:23] milehighfool: My favorite is the news sites of the popular analyst firms. NPD, comScore, etc. #editorchat
[21:55:28] jennipps: @netta50 Hee. I can vouch for that. I’m dusting off my short fiction & sending it out. Got a rejection today. Onward & upward. #editorchat
[21:55:40] deegospel: q5: @milehighfool i used LinkedIn when I’m building content for Trade Journal. for entertainment mags photobloggers are a help #editorchat
[21:55:40] merylkevans: @milehighfool Good old fashioned Internet research. #editorchat
[21:55:50] JaySlacks: @LydiaBreakfast Most of the best writers weren’t writers when they were writing. The writing came later, raw and brilliant. #editorchat
[21:55:55] Colgo: @milehighfool I used LinkedIn for info – asked same q on FB, Twitter; best response on LinkedIn despite being smallest network #editorchat
[21:56:02] KatPowers: I write about a city, so this is over my head. I use a phone book. Q5 #editorchat
[21:56:03] lauriemeisel: @milehighfool Q5 Haven’t personally but work with an editor who successfully used LinkedIn for sourcing. #editorchat
[21:56:06] judywriter: @JMegonigal What’s your secret to using LinkedIn? I have 200+ contacts & still find Twitter much better. #editorchat
[21:56:11] milehighfool: For people, I like specialist sites: GameSpy or the discussion boards at Fool.com. #editorchat
[21:56:38] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: For people, I like specialist sites: GameSpy or the discussion boards at Fool.com. #editorchat
[21:56:44] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Q5 Sourcing on FB? Not yet but lots of chatter w/colleagues. #editorchat
[21:57:01] milehighfool: We’re at the time, folks. Four minutes to go so, if you want, re-intro yourself and post a link. #editorchat
[21:57:09] netta50: Twitter trends, Google trends, morning news #editorchat
[21:57:11] CathyWebSavvyPR: @judywriter On linked in – one key to reaching people is to ask and answer questions both on mian site and w/in groups #editorchat
[21:57:26] deegospel: @AbsoluteWrite True. Readers will disconnect easy and You don’t want to lose their loyalty. #editorchat
[21:57:43] milehighfool: And while you’re doing that I have a public service announcement. We’re thinking of upgrading editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat
[21:57:59] JaySlacks: @milehighfool Our society has supported the Arts since when? 60s? 70s? Writers can’t write if they are networking constantly #editorchat
[21:58:00] JMegonigal: @judywriter I find L.I. to have a higher “credibility” bc of the amount of info. For my purposes, much better. #editorchat
[21:58:02] LydiaBreakfast: Almost ready to wrap so, if you want, re-intro yourself and post a link. #editorchat
[21:58:12] jennipps: Jen Nipps, fl writer in s Oklahoma. New article up on TutorialBlog – www.tutorialblog.org/author/jen-nipps. Also new @OWFI PR #editorchat
[21:58:17] CathyWebSavvyPR: RT @JMegonigal: @judywriter I find L.I. to have a higher “credibility” bc of the amount of info. For my purposes, much better. #editorchat
[21:58:18] JDEbberly: JD Ebberly hailing from N VA, writes about blogging & new media. The only link U need is http://editorchat.wordpress.com/ #editorchat
[21:58:22] JMegonigal: @judywriter I created a group for the mag; then set Discussions on that group to get sources/info. #editorchat
[21:58:29] judywriter: @CathyWebSavvyPR OK, I’ll give it another chance. thanks! #editorchat
[21:58:35] deegospel: @milehighfool q5: I do use Facebook. I have a box on there. I tell them what articles I’m working on & they connect #editorchat
[21:58:40] shortformernie: @milehighfool Howso? #editorchat
[21:58:47] stephauteri: Oy. I had nothin’ those last 2 qs. C’est la vie. Thanks for the chat everyone! I’m a writer for Nerve and other fine pubs. #editorchat
[21:58:49] jennipps: RT @JaySlacks @milehighfool Our society has supported the Arts since when? 60s? 70s? Writers can’t write if they are networking #editorchat
[21:58:52] Hergett: @milehighfool I have effectively used FB for sourcing a couple times, especially locally where I have mutual contacts. #editorchat
[21:58:52] merylkevans: ID is my name and the article I mentioned on SEO/SEM is here: http://bit.ly/WIlIV #editorchat
[21:58:56] judywriter: @JMegonigal I can understand that. #editorchat
[21:59:02] UrbanMuseWriter: Thx, all! I’m Susan, a Boston-based business/lifestyle writer who blogs at www.UrbanMuseWriter.com #editorchat
[21:59:03] KatPowers: editing a weekly paper and an online daily at http://www.wickedlocal.com/somerville outside Boston #editorchat
[21:59:07] SuburbNews: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Thanks for another lovely chat. Now time to get my kids in bed (way past bed time, ugh) #editorchat
[21:59:10] milehighfool: If you’d be at all open to donating a few bucks to help with the cost, DM or @reply to me or Lydia. #editorchat
[21:59:19] netta50: RT @JaySlacks: @milehighfool Our society has supported the Arts since 60′sWriters can’t write if they are networking constantly #editorchat
[21:59:21] shortformernie: Ernie Smith, Designer Wash. Post Express, editor ShortFormBlog (http://shortformblog.com) AND NO I DON’T HATE LONG FORM! #editorchat
[21:59:33] jennipps: @merylkevans Thanks for the link, Meryl. #editorchat
[21:59:42] CathyWebSavvyPR: @milehighfool are you bringing it over to wordpress.org on it’s own URL? #editorchat
[21:59:47] JMegonigal: Jordana Megonigal, editor-in-chief of a business pub in Greenville, S.C. www.InsideBlackBox.com #editorchat
[21:59:57] milehighfool: @shortformernie Clean up the stly, load pages faster, etc. #editorchat
[21:59:58] JDEbberly: Thanks for another FABULOUS chat, @milehighfool & @LydiaBreakfast and everyone at Editorchat, week after riveting week ! #editorchat
[22:00:03] judywriter: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast This really isn’t fair. I didn’t intend to stay for the whole chat. Thx for great session! #editorchat
[22:00:24] jennipps: @milehighfool If you can take PayPal, I can/will. #editorchat
[22:00:33] deegospel: Dee Stewart blogger, pr pro, mag editor, former journalist. Atlanta. read my profile. this was my first time here. had fun. #editorchat
[22:00:35] shortformernie: I faded out a little at the end there but tonight was a really good chat, guys. Feel free to follow me @shortformblog or here. #editorchat
[22:00:38] joecortez: Thanks for a great chat! Joe Cortez, Freelance Writer/Multimedia Producer for Hire! Latest Project: http://tinyurl.com/cn88vd #editorchat
[22:00:57] JaySlacks: @netta50 That’s interesting. I think fiction requires a strong and powerful distraction sometimes. #editorchat
[22:00:59] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for another great chat! Back to the pollen in Iow-ay for me. #editorchat
[22:00:59] milehighfool: @judywriter Glad you could make it. Thanks to all. Keep going if you’d like but we’re about out of here. #editorchat
[22:01:06] LydiaBreakfast: @joecortez Thanks Joe #editorchat
[22:01:15] SpecialDee: Q5: LinkedIn discussion and QandA areas are great resources. #editorchat
[22:01:21] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie Thanks Ernie #editorchat
[22:01:30] ohmgee: re-intro: martin gee: lurker, art director of oregon business magazine, former newspaper designer (merc). tweets @nwspprscppln #editorchat
[22:01:32] joecortez: Much thanks and appreciation to @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast for hosting another wonderful session! #editorchat
[22:01:44] Hergett: Rachel Hergett, reporter/editor Bozeman Daily Chronicle. http://www.dailychronicle.com/ & http://www.linkedin.com/pub/12/b9b/26 #editorchat
[22:01:51] jennipps: Great chat. Sorry I missed most of it. Actually almost completely forgot about it. Too wild a weekend at the conference I guess. #editorchat
[22:01:52] LydiaBreakfast: @ohmgee Thanks Martin, please join us again #editorchat
[22:01:57] CathyWebSavvyPR: Travel writer from se PA & location/attraction photographer (PR pro & blogger 2 but the walls between the 2 are inviolate) #editorchat
[22:01:58] judywriter: @JMegonigal Congrats on being so forward-looking & innovative. Clearly it’s working! #editorchat
[22:02:00] KatPowers: Indeed. You folks rock #editorchat
[22:02:01] JDEbberly: Transcripts of tonight’s chat can be found at http://editorchat.wordpress.com/ & http://twemes.com/editorchat #editorchat
[22:02:03] merylkevans: This is one of my two fave chats. Thanks, @lydiabreakfast and @milehighfool for another winner. #editorchat
[22:02:07] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Glad you came Rachel #editorchat
[22:02:18] netta50: Freelance writer/editor, and you can find me on www.wordwebbing.com. Great chat, as usual, thanks Tim and Lydia! #editorchat
[22:02:24] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans Thanks for coming #editorchat
[22:02:38] lauriemeisel: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Thanks for having this newbie. Learned a lot! #editorchat
[22:02:39] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers As do you, our chatters #editorchat
[22:02:58] milehighfool: @merylkevans Thanks much. These are always fun and informative for us. #editorchat
[22:03:01] wendyperrin: Another late night at the office. Finally on the train headed home . . . & find out I’ve missed #editorchat yet again. Drat.
[22:03:40] JDEbberly: @jennipps That must have been one memorable conference, Jen! Glad you enjoyed it! #editorchat
[22:03:47] milehighfool: @wendyperrin You’ll make it one of these days. Thanks for the sentiment. We appreciate it. #editorchat
[22:03:53] LydiaBreakfast: @wendyperrin sorry you missed it, we would like to hear from you sometime #editorchat
[22:04:00] CathyWebSavvyPR: Thanks @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast for running a great chat – I mostly listened in – #editorchat
[22:04:15] LydiaBreakfast: @lauriemeisel Glad you came #editorchat
[22:04:19] deegospel: @LydiaBreakfast thanks for inviting me. i had fun #editorchat
[22:04:21] SpecialDee: Thanks @LydiaBreakfast and @milehighfool for hosting #editorchat Always learn much!
[22:04:31] KatPowers: @wendyperrin RT @JDEbberly Transcripts of tonight’s chat can be found at http://editorchat.wordpress.com/ & http://twemes.com/ed #editorchat
[22:04:41] LydiaBreakfast: @deegospel you are most welcome #editorchat
[22:04:56] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Ms Dee, thank you! #editorchat
[22:05:24] JMegonigal: @judywriter Thank you. That’s sweet. #editorchat
[22:05:46] netta50: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast Always interesting and fabulous. Thanks. #editorchat
[22:05:59] AbsoluteWrite: #editorchat thanks, all. As always, was interesting and excellent food for thought
[22:06:12] JMegonigal: Good night. Thanks again to @lydiabreakfast and @milehighfool for a great #editorchat
[22:06:39] LydiaBreakfast: Thanks all for coming, your co-host Lydia Dishman, freelance features writer for business, travel, food and style (and more!) #editorchat
[22:07:02] judywriter: @milehighfool Will you take a contribution via PayPal? #editorchat
[22:07:07] milehighfool: Great work, all. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, freelance writer of big ideas: http://timbeyers.com #editorchat
[22:07:37] shortformernie: @lydiabreakfast @milehighfool Thanks for the great work as always guys! #editorchat
[22:08:04] LydiaBreakfast: public service announcement: We’re thinking of upgrading editorchat.wordpress.com, DM us if you’d like to donate and help out #editorchat

Julia Angwin of The Wall Street Journal joins us as guest moderator tonight.

[20:32:26] milehighfool: Rule No. 1 Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:32:56] milehighfool: Rule No. 2 Stay on topic. #editorchat

[20:32:57] jimmcbee: @LydiaBreakfast Exponentially more fun. Logarithmically, even. #editorchat

[20:33:11] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Hi Jen glad you could make it stay as long as you can, this is going to be great! #editorchat

[20:33:24] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat

[20:33:26] KatPowers: will join #editorchat as soon as 4 yr old stops tantrumming

[20:33:28] mariaelenaduron: Grateful 2 join in on the chat 2nite! Am looking 4ward 2 gr8 convo, tips, + advice. Followers will B noisy w/lots of value! #editorchat

[20:33:36] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee whoa don’t go getting all quadratic equations on me #editorchat

[20:33:45] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:34:15] JDEbberly: @LydiaBreakfast @jimmcbee LOL on the quadratics #Editorchat

[20:34:19] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers take your time we’ll be here until 10pm EST #editorchat

[20:34:19] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Definitely. I might leave Tweetchat open & check in from time to time. #editorchat

[20:34:26] milehighfool: @KatPowers Tantrumrunning at 4? Sigh. Our youngest just turned 4. #editorchat

[20:35:09] bikelady: Hi there. I’ve not yet participated in this but figured I’d give it a try. I write about business, travel and self-help. #editorchat

[20:36:05] milehighfool: @bikelady Glad you could make it. Good night for you to join us with Julia Angwin here. #editorchat

[20:36:15] LydiaBreakfast: @bikelady Thanks for joining, welcome. #editorchat

[20:36:44] milehighfool: For those who haven’t yet seen, Julia’s new book, “Stealing MySpace,” is here: http://bit.ly/15mS3W #editorchat

[20:37:12] jimmcbee: How’s this: editorchat > writing about medical coding. OK, I’m all math’d out. #editorchat

[20:37:18] JDEbberly: @bikelady Editorchat exptends a warm welcome to you, Jackie ! #Editorchat

[20:38:03] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:31] jennipps: @JuliaAngwin Sounds…interesting? Thank you for joining us! #editorchat

[20:39:01] jg_rat: Sitting here editing a website. Gosh I’m glad I’m not outside in the Aussie autumn sunlight, under that terrible blue sky #editorchat

[20:39:21] JuliaAngwin: Greetings, thanks for the shout-out Tim. And thanks to all of you for inviting me – excited to be here. #editorchat

[20:39:49] edwardboches: is julia going to start this off? pov or questions? #editorchat

[20:40:05] milehighfool: @jg_rat You know you want to be here. Admit it. You can’t resist. #editorchat

[20:40:09] jimmcbee: Great to have you here, Julia. #editorchat

[20:40:32] JuliaAngwin: I want to discuss online identity – Do you have multiple online identities for your writing life and other parts of your life? #editorchat

[20:40:41] LydiaBreakfast: @edwardboches Julia is going to ask the Qs tonight #editorchat

[20:40:45] jg_rat: @milehighfool You’re right. Here’s my favourite story of the day: Man-eating mice attack: http://tinyurl.com/cw9873 #editorchat

[20:40:47] JDEbberly: RT @JuliaAngwin: Greetings, thanks for the shout-out Tim. And thanks to all of you for inviting me – excited to be here. #editorchat #Ed …

[20:41:02] KatPowers: OK, and 4 year old takes threat to take away Spiderman shoes seriously. Now watching #editorchat #editorchat

[20:41:32] milehighfool: RT Q1: Do you have multiple online identities for your writing life and other parts of your life? #editorchat

[20:42:00] milehighfool: @jg_rat Oh. My. #editorchat

[20:42:07] jennipps: @JuliaAngwin Q1 – I used to have multiple IDs online, but a few years ago, I consolidated them all into JenNipps. #editorchat

[20:42:13] edwardboches: as a blogger, social media enthusiast, pr practitioner and content creator, i have one. consistency, voice, reputation importnt #editorchat

[20:42:20] LydiaBreakfast: Reminder, refer to the Q number when responding #editorchat

[20:42:55] JDEbberly: Q1: I have had multiple online identities in the past, particularly around 2000-2003 #Editorchat

[20:43:25] LydiaBreakfast: @JDEbberly and then what happened? #editorchat

[20:43:30] jennipps: Q1 – There are still a few remnants of my other ID around, though, on sites I didn’t want to start over with. #editorchat

[20:43:31] jg_rat: Q1 jg_rat used to be my seekrit identity, but he seems to have taken over my personal and professional life #editorchat

[20:43:35] JuliaAngwin: @jennipps Do you miss the old separations of identity? #editorchat

[20:43:41] jimmcbee: q1: Never gave it much thought till it came up here in your absence, Julia. I mainly try to be me, for good or ill. #editorchat

[20:43:46] milehighfool: @edwardboches Isn’t voice different from identity, though? Voice is a style, identity is a presence. #editorchat

[20:43:46] KatPowers: Q1 I have the misfortune to have the same name as a band, so sometimes I’m under a mommy alias for my email #editorchat #editorchat

[20:44:36] JDEbberly: @LydiaBreakfast My interests gradually changed and I settled on JD Ebberly who is into social media/new media and blogging #Editorchat

[20:44:44] SpecialDee: Just got home from Poetry class. Special Sections editor, Lewiston-Auburn, Maine. #editorchat

[20:44:50] jennipps: @JuliaAngwin I did at first. But now I feel like I have a more complete image of me and I don’t have to remember what goes where #editorchat

[20:45:10] ptrcrown: RT Q1: I write, blog, edit in a personal style… find I can’t keep up with more than one identity. #editorchat

[20:45:31] mguerard: If you’re tweeting to friends as well as tweeting for your job, it’s a good idea to have separate identieies. #editorchat

[20:45:37] LydiaBreakfast: I’m curious as to why everyone felt they needed separate identities? For work vs. personal? Or different writing styles? #editorchat

[20:46:04] LydiaBreakfast: @mguerard Hey Marcia, so glad you are joining us again #editorchat

[20:46:10] bikelady: For Q1, I’d have to say yes and no. I’m working on pulling them all together. Takes careful thought. #editorchat

[20:46:24] SpecialDee: Q1: I use one online personality – me! Might have different usernames though. One voice. #editorchat

[20:46:27] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Poetry class, a most worthy pursuit. Thanks for joining us #editorchat

[20:46:27] JuliaAngwin: Lots of feedback of people with one identity: you don’t feel locked into this one image of yourself? #editorchat

[20:46:36] JDEbberly: @LydiaBreakfast For me, it was different writing styles and for diff. audiences back in 2002 #Editorchat

[20:46:41] milehighfool: @bikelady What steps are you taking to pull them together? #editorchat

[20:46:53] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast I had separate IDs for writing & personal/fun forums. Then I got out of a lot of the fun forums. #editorchat

[20:46:58] BaileyMcC: Obama presser + #editorchat = ton’s o’ tweets.

[20:47:08] wetzeledit: I thought about blogging anonymously to keep separate from professional life but figure it’s too late and me is me anyway. #editorchat

[20:47:22] jimmcbee: q1: so far have resisted mild temptation to set up ‘professional’ ‘brand’ separate from my usual smartass self. #editorchat

[20:47:25] ErikSherman: Tuning in for a short time (book deadline nagging) – freelance writer/editor/photographer/bill collector in Mass. #editorchat

[20:47:29] CarlosV: young aspiring magazine editor here.. any tips or/and suggestions will be appreciated! #editorchat

[20:47:33] milehighfool: @JenetDechary So, for example, you aren’t using Twitter and Facebook and MySpace? Everything in one place? #editorchat

[20:47:37] JuliaAngwin: Some academics call this the “unitary identity” that the Internet forces us into – it doesn’t allow us to escape our past. #editorchat

[20:47:39] elyssaeast: Q1: Hi y’all I’m new here . I think one identity is best. It can and should be multi-faceted, as we all are. #editorchat

[20:47:39] edwardboches: @milehighfool true. but content, voice, pov, info I provide all determine value and or trustworthiness, if nothing to hide 1 id #editorchat

[20:47:58] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Hello Mr. Sherman many thanks for coming #editorchat

[20:48:01] wetzeledit: My identity is the same but my expression of it is evolving. #editorchat

[20:48:04] mguerard: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks. I would keep separate identities because my employer undoubtedly does not agree with me on things. #editorchat

[20:48:05] bikelady: For Q2, @LydiaBreakfast’s Q, I’ve had separate identities for my speaking and writing careers, and diff specialties. #editorchat

[20:48:19] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Thanks for joining, Erik. We’re into the identity side of last week’s brand discussion. #editorchat

[20:48:22] jennipps: @JuliaAngwin No, because my interests are so varied that no one finds it odd or thinks I “shouldn’t” do something b/c of persona #editorchat

[20:48:28] JDEbberly: @elyssaeast Welcome to Editorchat, Elyssa! We’re glad you’ve joined us tonight! #Editorchat

[20:48:43] LydiaBreakfast: RT @wetzeledit My identity is the same but my expression of it is evolving. -Well said. #editorchat

[20:48:47] JuliaAngwin: @wetzeledit Very nicely put. #editorchat

[20:48:55] milehighfool: RT @JuliaAngwin: Some academics call this the “unitary identity” that the Internet forces us into. #editorchat

[20:49:01] edwardboches: what i say or subjects presented on different blogs, twitter, FB, etc may be different, but from same “brand” #editorchat

[20:49:46] ptrcrown: Q2 There is no escape, really. Only denial. #editorchat

[20:49:47] elyssaeast: “Unitary identity” that’s quite a ringer! It is hard to figure out how to approach, at least initially. #editorchat

[20:49:55] jimmcbee: q1: When visualeditors.com was getting started, founder requested that people use real IDs to avoid anonymous snipery. Worked. #editorchat

[20:50:02] JuliaAngwin: RT @wetzeledit My identity is the same but my expression of it is evolving.- Q: Is society tolerant of evolution? #editorchat

[20:50:03] edwardboches: you may act differently at party, office, town meeting, but you are the same person, yes? online no different. #editorchat

[20:50:16] LydiaBreakfast: @edwardboches which is where it gets interesting, where does person end and brand begin? #editorchat

[20:50:55] sairy: @edwardboches I’m the same way; I’ve found in particular that for me, it’s best not to automate twitter-to-facebook feeds. #editorchat

[20:51:07] milehighfool: @edwardboches No question. But to Julia’s point re: academics — doesn’t you past follow both off and online? #editorchat

[20:51:38] wetzeledit: @JuliaAngwin Can you restate your followup Q? Not sure I understand. #editorchat

[20:51:49] BaileyMcC: RT @edwardboches: you may act differently at party, office, town meeting, but you are the same person, yes? online no different. #editorchat

[20:51:55] ErikSherman: @LydiaBreakfast I think there is only the person and how you do business and your aspirations. Same for companies. #editorchat

[20:51:58] bikelady: @milehighfool For Q3 @milehighfool, I work at thinking more strategically. How does this relate to “bikelady”? I ask. #editorchat

[20:52:05] milehighfool: @JuliaAngwin Not just society. How about readers? Or, for that matter, editors? Is it good to evolve as a writer? #editorchat

[20:52:12] LydiaBreakfast: RT @juliaangwin Q2: Is society tolerant of evolution? of online identities converging? #editorchat

[20:52:14] elyssaeast: @JDEbberly Thanks for the welcome #editorchat

[20:52:15] mguerard: But I sometimes tweet silly things to make people laugh, and then news because I work for a newspaper. Would not want them mixed #editorchat

[20:52:58] ErikSherman: @mguerard I think people can figure the difference between goofing around and serious content. #editorchat

[20:53:11] wetzeledit: Seems like everything is converging to be online. So isn’t some evolution inevitable as we all figure it out? #editorchat

[20:53:17] milehighfool: @mguerard Right. The ever-present conflict between work and personal life. Takes root digitally, as well. #editorchat

[20:53:23] JuliaAngwin: Question: Our identity evolves, but does our online audience tolerate the switch? e.g. if we suddenly switch our writing topics #editorchat

[20:53:29] jennipps: Q2 – In some cases, I think its expected that the two would converge. Ex.: It seems celebs don’t/can’t have anonymous IDs online #editorchat

[20:53:40] sairy: @milehighfool after experimenting a lot, I find there’s not much tolerance for making dramatic shifts; separate feeds help there #editorchat

[20:53:52] JDEbberly: @wetzeledit I agree with @wetzeledit Re: Q2 #Editorchat

[20:54:01] jkwill10: Q1: I don’t intentionally brand myself but I hope people like what I do (but there are a lot of Jeff Williams’ out there) #editorchat

[20:54:02] mguerard: @ErikSherman Readers can tell the difference, but the owner of the brand — my newspaper — would not be amused. #editorchat

[20:54:20] milehighfool: RT @JuliaAngwin: Question: Our identity evolves, but does our online audience tolerate the switch? #editorchat

[20:54:30] jimmcbee: q2: Re: evolution. Resistance is futile. We all grow and change. Shucks, look how fast Web sites come and go. Ephemera. #editorchat

[20:54:34] elizabethbarr: I think there’s a lot of flexibility when you’re writing for an online audience. They are quicker to discern tone and identity. #editorchat

[20:54:51] milehighfool: @jkwill10 Hey Jeff. You’re back. it’s been a while. #editorchat

[20:54:57] LydiaBreakfast: @jkwill10 good point Jeff, doesn’t having a common name almost beg for creating a different identity to set yourself apart? #editorchat

[20:55:12] elyssaeast: There is also the comment thread & people’s reactions, which can enhance or impede identity management. #editorchat

[20:55:14] milehighfool: @sairy Separate feeds for your readers, in other words? #editorchat

[20:55:14] edwardboches: in early days, people were reluctant to reveal true id. now since everyone is there, it seems not only OK, but important #editorchat

[20:55:22] littlebrownpen: @elizabethbarr I agree. Online audiences are more forgiving of our multiple personalities. #editorchat

[20:55:45] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Hi Nichole good to see you! #editorchat

[20:55:50] BaileyMcC: If you’re open with your audience about the potential variety of your content, people tend to tolerate earlier on #editorchat

[20:55:52] ErikSherman: @mguerard Ah, true – that’s where I have an advantage not being on staff. #editorchat

[20:55:59] sairy: @juliaangwin I’ve found online is like offline; I started a personal blog focused on tech, but when I diverged, I lost readers #editorchat

[20:56:11] JDEbberly: RT @littlebrownpen: @elizabethbarr I agree. Online audiences are more forgiving of our multiple personalities. #editorchat #Editorchat

[20:56:21] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast You too! Just returned from Paris. I was out of commission due to eclair overload. #editorchat

[20:56:30] milehighfool: @elizabethbarr Agreed. As an online writer myself, I’d argue a well-understood identity is critical. Draw ‘em in fast. #editorchat

[20:56:36] mguerard: @ErikSherman Give it time, I’ll probably have that advantage soon myself! #editorchat

[20:56:38] ErikSherman: @JuliaAngwin I think you have to try to bring them along, otherwise you’re stuck in what you’ve always done. Dreadful. #editorchat

[20:56:41] JuliaAngwin: Q: Does mixing personal and professional add to authenticity? Is that worth the risk? #editorchat

[20:56:51] edwardboches: name and identity: are they the same. as long as consistent and real id obvious somehow, behind handle, ok, no? #editorchat

[20:56:59] jimmcbee: Julia, you look from a higher vantage point than I. Do you find that fame puts fetters on online personality? #editorchat

[20:57:11] KatPowers: I actually have had readers tell my younger writers they expect them to share who they are #editorchat ie cyclist, vegetarian, etc

[20:57:15] bikelady: @JuliaAngwin To your audience @, I don’t think audience knows/cares whether U write about more than one topic/specialty. Do U? #editorchat

[20:57:16] ptrcrown: ? Do you regard a nickname or “handle” as an identity? #editorchat

[20:57:17] bacigalupe: @JuliaAngwin in this environment, audience has the ability to quickly become involved in the process, thus more accountability #editorchat

[20:57:21] LanceUlanoff: @JuliaAngwin It’s not whether they tolerate it, it’s whether or not you still have an audience listening to you. #editorchat

[20:57:21] edwardboches: what about search? don’t you want your content and blog and articles to be found? #editorchat

[20:57:27] LydiaBreakfast: Q3: Does mixing personal and professional add to authenticity? Is that worth the risk?RT @JuliaAngwin #editorchat

[20:57:27] creditmatters: RT @JuliaAngwin Our identity evolves, but does our online audience tolerate the switch? e.g. we suddenly swtch our writng topics #editorchat

[20:57:27] milehighfool: RT @JuliaAngwin: Q: Does mixing personal and professional add to authenticity? Is that worth the risk? #editorchat

[20:57:53] JuliaAngwin: @jimmcbee My vantage point is not quite as high as fame. But agree that higher perch means farther to fall. #editorchat

[20:58:00] sairy: @JuliaAngwin on twitter, a little personal adds to authenticity, as in blogs; too much though, you lose followers/readers #editorchat

[20:58:03] elyssaeast: The difference between authenticity and transparency sometimes gets blurred, #editorchat.

[20:58:12] LydiaBreakfast: Q3 the bigger the celeb (film, book, TV, journo) the more important it becomes to also show the real side #editorchat

[20:58:16] ErikSherman: @sairy It may be that you need to stay focused within the same vehicle. #editorchat

[20:58:32] meghanmbiro: @edwardboches I encourage people to keep online=”real” personality. If no-not a truly authentic/as compelling a brand? #editorchat

[20:58:32] jkwill10: @LydiaBreakfast luckily for me, I am not interested in national branding. Everyone knows Jeff in Wisconsin Rapids #editorchat

[20:58:48] AmySueNathan: @milehighfool I think personal and professional adds credibility – as long as you’re not blogging with a lampshade on your head. #editorchat

[20:58:48] LanceUlanoff: @ptrcrown I do, but am always happier when people rep themselves with their real name. I do it myself for that reason. #editorchat

[20:58:51] JuliaAngwin: @elyssaeast somewhere in between authenticity and transparency is the world of oversharing! #editorchat

[20:59:05] milehighfool: @LanceUlanoff Glad you could make it, Lance. Depends on the outlet, don’t you think? The Motley Fool embraces the personal . #editorchat

[20:59:08] jimmcbee: q3: I think stripping personality out of newspapers is part of what’s hurt them. Seem elitist. We shouldn’t repeat that error. #editorchat

[20:59:17] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool It’s an interesting dance. But I am more drawn to blogs that reflect the author’s real life, points of view, etc. #editorchat

[20:59:20] sairy: @ErikSherman I think you’re right, or create multiple identities – I have various blogs & twitter feeds for diff. purposes. #editorchat

[20:59:27] edwardboches: Q3. seems people want to know the creator of content, blog, journalist, etc. as an individual, so personal and pro OK #editorchat

[20:59:28] milehighfool: @AmySueNathan How could they see if you were? #editorchat

[20:59:33] LydiaBreakfast: @JuliaAngwin well said. Oversharing is the new TMI #editorchat

[20:59:47] BaileyMcC: what are u doing in your prof life that being a real person poses a sig. risk? Short of CIA pretty sure everyone should be cool #editorchat

[20:59:50] elyssaeast: @JuliaAngwin Yes so where do we find that balance. The culture has trended towards over-sharing. #editorchat

[20:59:54] mrinaldesai: Q: Does mixing personal n professional add to authenticity? worth the risk? #editorchat (via @JuliaAngwin) the best if u have 1 identity

[21:00:01] ErikSherman: @JuliaAngwin I think authenticity comes from being honest in your work and thinking. #editorchat

[21:00:27] elizabethbarr: @JuliaAngwin @elyssaeast My instinct is the same re oversharing, but then how to explain success of Dooce or Penelope Trunk? #editorchat

[21:00:30] sairy: I do find that Facebook is the most open online loc for showing your true colors (i.e. all interests) when sharing with people #editorchat

[21:00:31] LanceUlanoff: @LydiaBreakfast I’d say it lends an authenticity to whatever you’re writing. It also helps people connect to what you write. #editorchat

[21:00:32] JuliaAngwin: @mrinaldesai Glad to see you here! #editorchat

[21:00:46] jkwill10: Being personal is crucial for authenticity. Besides, I love talking to people about my writing at Home Depot #editorchat

[21:00:48] edwardboches: q3 you can show your human personal side w/o giving away too much personal data #editorchat

[21:00:55] SpecialDee: Q2: I think society is tolerant of evolution-it’s easier 2 go w/the flow. Sometimes no choice. Like 2 see both sides of peeps. #editorchat

[21:00:57] JDEbberly: RT @ErikSherman: @JuliaAngwin I think authenticity comes from being honest in your work and thinking. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:01:04] sairy: @milehighfool yes, separate feeds I think works for a lot of writers I know #editorchat

[21:01:20] ErikSherman: @LanceUlanoff That makes sense – it would be like an automotive mag suddenly covering fine art. #editorchat

[21:01:38] SuburbNews: Lisa Sink, reporter @ Milw Journal Sentinel jumping in. Great points, @sairy. Trying to figure out how much personal is too much #editorchat

[21:01:42] LydiaBreakfast: @elizabethbarr Dooce got there first. And frankly, I think her style doesn’t wear well after a while. #editorchat

[21:01:43] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen Right. How do create an identity if you share nothing at all? As a writer, there’s more risk in being coy. #editorchat

[21:01:49] Jfavreau: I think you need to be aware of your audience! I tweet and post status messages based more on my audience. #editorchat

[21:01:59] mrinaldesai: @JuliaAngwin #editorchat Most have dual personalities n hence LinkedIn n FB, online n offline – Being 1 ALL across has been best for me

[21:02:03] elyssaeast: @edwardboches q3 I agree. It’s important to be a real human being. But less is often more. #editorchat

[21:02:04] JuliaAngwin: @elizabethbarr Voyeurism has always been popular – particularly in a recession it’s cheap entertainment. #editorchat

[21:02:23] LanceUlanoff: @milehighfool Maybe, but wherever I’ve been I’ve seen it done and done it myself–unless explicitly told not to. #editorchat

[21:02:59] ErikSherman: @LydiaBreakfast Q3 Not sure that’s necessary. There are examples of high profiles that are private. #editorchat

[21:03:03] littlebrownpen: @JuliaAngwin Very true in my case. Escapism is more appealing in this economic environment. #editorchat

[21:03:12] JuliaAngwin: Q: is the inevitable result of mixing personal/professional as journalists and writers the end of objectivity? #editorchat

[21:03:23] milehighfool: @LanceUlanoff Agreed. Readers need the personal to connect. #editorchat

[21:03:33] elizabethbarr: @JuliaAngwin I guess the real question is, what are you after? Scads of readers or credibility? #editorchat

[21:03:35] jennipps: Sorry, everyone. Have to head out already. Too much to do before leaving for a conference tomorrow. #editorchat

[21:03:38] elyssaeast: @milehighfool There’s a difference between being coy and maintaining a boundary. #editorchat

[21:03:47] LanceUlanoff: @SpecialDee Always easier to go with the flow, but we follow those who don’t #editorchat

[21:03:56] LydiaBreakfast: RT @JuliaAngwin Q4: is the inevitable result of mixing personal/professional as journalists and writers the end of objectivity? #editorchat

[21:04:03] milehighfool: RT Q: is the inevitable result of mixing personal/professional as journalists and writers the end of objectivity? #editorchat

[21:04:06] meghanmbiro: @edwardboches Met a Twitter friend in person and asked “how does my in person match my online presence?” Live it + Ask ?’s #editorchat

[21:04:08] jimmcbee: Re: Fear of giving up too much; I think the opposite has often been the case in print (dep. on medium). We’ve alienated many. #editorchat

[21:04:11] ErikSherman: @JuliaAngwin Oversharing is something different – it’s inherently not genuine, but manufactured. #editorchat

[21:04:13] JDEbberly: @jennipps See you next week Jen! Have a great conference! #Editorchat

[21:04:28] edwardboches: @JuliaAngwin let’s hope not.with slow demise of papers, pressure on magazines and emergence of blogs, obj jrnlsm more impnt now #editorchat

[21:04:29] jkwill10: @jennipps bye Jenn #editorchat

[21:04:34] wordful: @LanceUlanoff That’s so very true. Hi everyone I’m late. Charles here (writer, editor, blogger) #editorchat

[21:04:43] mguerard: @JuliaAngwin I don’t think it’s inevitable at all. I think it’s possible to be objective and have some personality. #editorchat

[21:04:44] booksandcorsets: Q1: My personal blog/writing identity has recently attached to my prof. id. I went back and locked many posts and now all is ok #editorchat

[21:04:47] sairy: RT @JuliaAngwin Q4: is the inevitable result of mixing personal/professional as journalists and writers the end of objectivity? #editorchat

[21:04:48] wetzeledit: @JuliaAngwin Perhaps the end of the illusion of objectivity? People may see your biases, or suspect some based on the personal. #editorchat

[21:04:59] elizabethbarr: @JuliaAngwin I think if you’re honest about who you are and your conflicts, objectivity isn’t as important as transparency. #editorchat

[21:05:08] milehighfool: @elyssaeast Certainly. Where do you draw the line? #editorchat

[21:05:10] ErikSherman: @sairy I have different blogs and publication outlets, cataloging them by content. #editorchat

[21:05:17] LydiaBreakfast: Reminder, please refer to the Q number when responding please #editorchat

[21:05:22] LanceUlanoff: @Jfavreau I agree. I’m always Tweeting with my audience in mind. They follow me primarily for tech, so I try to stick with that.#editorchat

[21:05:42] lilatovcocktail: RT Q: is the inevitable result of mixing personal/professional as journalists and writers the end of objectivity? #editorchat

[21:05:57] SpecialDee: Q3: when you’re known online by your byline – is that based on writing style or personality? Authenticity is important. #editorchat

[21:05:58] jkwill10: Q4: Does that mean you can’t be personal and objective? I disagree. #editorchat

[21:06:02] jimmcbee: rt @JuliaAngwin is the inevitable result of mixing personal/professional as journalists and writers the end of objectivity? #editorchat

[21:06:14] LydiaBreakfast: @LanceUlanoff But we also want to know what the tech guy had for lunch #editorchat

[21:06:15] JuliaAngwin: RT @elizabethbarr objectivity isn’t as important as transparency — Good question. What do you guys think? #editorchat

[21:06:18] LanceUlanoff: @JuliaAngwin And when exactly were journalists ever really objective? #editorchat

[21:06:34] BaileyMcC: U can still b objective & connect, just use good judgement. #editorchat

[21:06:38] edwardboches: Q4 interesting to think that objectivity as just an illusion. #editorchat

[21:06:48] JuliaAngwin: @LanceUlanoff Totally agree but it’s a Platonic ideal we strive for. #editorchat

[21:06:49] sairy: @ErikSherman makes sense; I do the same… also diff. twitter feeds, like @sarahgranger is just for my articles. #editorchat

[21:07:15] JDEbberly: @JuliaAngwin Transparency is very important. #Editorchat

[21:07:16] jimmcbee: Objectivity is a goal at best; a lie at worst. Let’s build a new altar to Honesty. #editorchat

[21:07:23] elizabethbarr: @edwardboches I agree – I think true objectivity has always been elusive, an ideal. #editorchat

[21:07:24] edwardboches: Q4 well if you’re not objective then transparency becomes really important #editorchat

[21:07:29] KatPowers: RT @elizabethbarr I think if you’re honest about who you are and your conflicts, objectivity isn’t as important as transparency. #editorchat

[21:07:42] littlebrownpen: @edwardboches LOL. There’s a song just waiting to be written ( objectivity is just an illusion). #editorchat

[21:07:51] JuliaAngwin: RT @jimmcbee Objectivity is a goal at best; a lie at worst. Let’s build a new altar to Honesty. Nicely said. #editorchat

[21:07:54] SuburbNews: Q4:You can be personal & personable w/o losing objectivity. Just have to keep opinions to self on issues you cover.#editorchat #editorchat

[21:08:01] sairy: RT @JuliaAngwin @elizabethbarr objectivity isn’t as important as transparency #editorchat — very good point, full disclosure is key.

[21:08:11] ErikSherman: @JuliaAngwin I think objectivity has always been a myth anyway. You battle biases by keeping them in plain view. #editorchat

[21:08:18] KatPowers: RT @jimmcbee Objectivity is a goal at best; a lie at worst. Let’s build a new altar to Honesty. #editorchat

[21:08:31] littlebrownpen: Honestly, it’s easy to separate the genuine from the gamed. People are drawn to the former. #editorchat

[21:08:42] JuliaAngwin: On a personal note, my husband and I met at a lecture discussing this very topic of the future of objectivity! #editorchat

[21:08:56] LydiaBreakfast: RT @ErikSherman I think objectivity has always been a myth anyway. You battle biases by keeping them in plain view. -Interesting #editorchat

[21:09:03] BaileyMcC: @sairy @JuliaAngwin @elizabethbarr objectivity isn’t as important as transparency #editorchat — very good point, full disclosure is key.

[21:09:05] JuliaAngwin: Had to throw that in, speaking of mixing personal and professional #editorchat

[21:09:05] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Well said. Sunshine is what’s needed. #editorchat

[21:09:15] sairy: @AmySueNathan yes, I limit what I share everywhere… no need to put up what my cat ate for dinner. #editorchat

[21:09:25] wordful: Honesty comes first. Objectivity can easily get in the way of authenticity, transparency and passion. #editorchat

[21:09:44] ErikSherman: @wetzeledit Or readers will simply assume or make up biases if they don’t like your logic. #editorchat

[21:09:47] JDEbberly: RT @wordful: Honesty comes first. Objectivity can easily get in the way of authenticity, transparency and passion. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:10:06] BeckyDMBR: Ack. Late again but here now! #editorchat

[21:10:09] KatPowers: I tell students I can’t be objective, my city is the best #editorchat However, I can be fair to other cities. It’s about transparency

[21:10:10] SuburbNews: I am not convinced that journalists should start flaunting their opinions, becoming advocates. Watchdog, yes, but there’s a line #editorchat

[21:10:10] edwardboches: Q4 when readers have as much say as journalists you’re called out if you’re not both honest and authentic #editorchat

[21:10:22] jimmcbee: @milehighfool Sunshine is what’s needed. (And not usually well received, I’ll add. Pretend-objectivity is easier.) #editorchat

[21:10:37] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Hey hey Ioway! #editorchat

[21:10:37] SpecialDee: @JuliaAngwin Yes, Q4, and aren’t editors tasked w/making sure articles are objectively written? #editorchat

[21:10:37] sairy: @JuliaAngwin that’s a great story; that’s good to share! #editorchat

[21:10:47] LanceUlanoff: @JuliaAngwin: Q4 Agree with all: honesty and transparency are they keys –in everything really. #editorchat

[21:10:50] elizabethbarr: Objectivity limits bravery. Think how dull everything would be if you couldn’t let any hint of opinion show. #editorchat

[21:10:59] milehighfool: @SuburbNews Fair enough but I’d love to see more well-researched commentary. #editorchat

[21:11:07] wetzeledit: @ErikSherman True but they may use your personal sharing as the basis for those attacks. Even if not fair, it’s ammo. #editorchat

[21:11:20] milehighfool: Says the guy who writes for a site that publishes commentary #editorchat

[21:11:46] jimmcbee: @SuburbNews however, readers ascribe opinions, biases and advocacy to us whether we like it or not. Take the bull by the horns. #editorchat

[21:11:47] SpecialDee: News and op ed pieces – two different beasts? #editorchat

[21:11:52] LanceUlanoff: This was interesting, but I have to drop out. Cheers #editorchat

[21:11:53] milehighfool: RT @elizabethbarr: Objectivity limits bravery. Think how dull everything would be if you couldn’t let any hint of opinion show. #editorchat

[21:11:58] JuliaAngwin: RT@ wetzeledit they may use your personal sharing as the basis for those attacks. Even if not fair, it’s ammo — good point #editorchat

[21:12:05] littlebrownpen: Agree. Especially finance-related. @milehighfool @SuburbNews Fair enough but I’d love to see more well-researched commentary #editorchat

[21:12:06] stephauteri: Howdy there! Steph Auteri, writer for Nerve and other publications, popping in late. #editorchat

[21:12:06] bacigalupe: @LydiaBreakfast may be now the social location becomes more explicit and we address up front the myth of objectivity #editorchat

[21:12:24] ErikSherman: @SuburbNews But how about analysis? There are lots of journos who know sources are full of it but won’t come out and say it. #editorchat

[21:12:25] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee very #editorchat

[21:12:31] milehighfool: @LanceUlanoff Hope to see you here again, sir. #editorchat

[21:12:47] jonathanfields: @JuliaAngwin Even if reporting isn’t completely objective & transparent, crowdsourced vetting gets you close 2 truth fast. #editorchat

[21:12:51] JDEbberly: @LanceUlanoff Thanks for stopping by, Lance! Looking forward to seeing you here next Weds. Night! #Editorchat

[21:12:58] wordful: @bacigalupe “the myth of objectivity” I like that #editorchat

[21:13:05] milehighfool: @stephauteri Glad you could make it, Steph. #editorchat

[21:13:13] sairy: RT @JuliaAngwin @wetzeledit they may use personal sharing as the basis for attacks. Even if not fair, it’s ammo – good point #editorchat

[21:13:28] ErikSherman: @wetzeledit True enough. I’m not the sharing sort, just found that some fanatics would fill in what they wanted. #editorchat

[21:13:45] mguerard: @ErikSherman I think if the source is full of it, you simply don’t use them. #editorchat

[21:13:47] JuliaAngwin: So it seems we all agree that transparency is key for honesty. I’d like to get a good example or two of a success story #editorchat

[21:14:19] mrinaldesai: @JuliaAngwin #editorchat #quote Bob Dylan – “All I can do is be me”

[21:14:36] booksbelow: RT @edwardboches: Q4 when readers have as much say as journalists you’re called out if you’re not both honest and authentic #editorchat

[21:14:46] 190east: RT @JuliaAngwin: So we all agree that transparency is key for honesty. I’d like to get a good example or two of a success story #editorchat

[21:15:12] wordful: @JuliaAngwin @AaronWall of SEO Book is a great example of pure honesty/transparency relating to his success #editorchat

[21:15:26] elyssaeast: The type of piece, the venue, & the audience determine how personal, transparent, & opinionated one can be. #editorchat

[21:16:06] milehighfool: Great idea. Success stories are in short supply, it seems. is transparency improving? #editorchat

[21:16:06] ErikSherman: @mguerard Sometimes the story is about the source, in which case you can’t simply ignore them. #editorchat

[21:16:41] ptrcrown: Example: When a Nobel laureate writes “I don’t know the answer…” it tells a lot about the writer and state of knowledge… #editorchat

[21:17:14] ErikSherman: @JuliaAngwin Not sure it’s a great example, but I’ve noted certain business background when analyzing a tech company… #editorchat

[21:17:22] sairy: @JuliaAngwin success story: @queenofspain is open about her opinions on twitter, but as an editor she is completely non-partisan #editorchat

[21:17:38] ErikSherman: @JuliaAngwin …because I had experience in a specific area that led me to make a comment that I did. #editorchat

[21:17:39] milehighfool: @booksbelow The crowdsourcing point is a good one. Well-done stories are spread far and wide. #editorchat

[21:18:07] dugL: @elyssaeast #editorchat She’s right. A venue that relies on image would be a bad place to confess secrets.

[21:18:32] JDEbberly: RT @wordful: @JuliaAngwin @AaronWall of SEO Book is a great example of pure honesty/transparency relating to his success #editorchat #Ed …

[21:18:56] BeckyDMBR: Dangit. And I realize I’m leaving off the hastag. Sorry. #editorchat

[21:19:02] pickcontests: (@mrinaldesai)@JuliaAngwin #editorchat #quote Bob Dylan – “All I can do is be me” http://twitter.com/mrinaldesai/statuses/1654740027

[21:19:17] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Hey there, howdy! #editorchat

[21:19:22] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Just remember that the majority can be really wrong, like knowing the earth is flat. #editorchat

[21:19:24] edwardboches: @BeckyDMBR post from tweetchat.com way easier #editorchat

[21:19:59] jimmcbee: Success story? When Bluffton Today started, we threw the rule book out. Reporters, readers blogged pretty freely, interacted … #editorchat

[21:20:03] milehighfool: @ptrcrown We’re usually better off admitting ignorance than proving it, no? #editorchat

[21:20:05] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool I’d like to see more well-researched … anything. #editorchat

[21:20:22] KatPowers: Dude the Earth is flat. How else would I be able to talk you you folks up there? #editorchat

[21:20:41] BeckyDMBR: @SpecialDee News and op-ed *should* be different. It’s inappropriate to express opinion when reporting on xyz murder. Just is. #editorchat

[21:20:45] elyssaeast: Business narratives operate on transparency but they often seem overly scripted towards success & therefore inauthentic. #editorchat

[21:20:49] JuliaAngwin: Potential success story: some say e-books will finally allow writers to be judged by their words not their covers/marketing #editorchat

[21:20:55] littlebrownpen: YES! @milehighfool @ptrcrown We’re usually better off admitting ignorance than proving it, no? #editorchat

[21:21:02] jimmcbee: … in ways that were refreshing (sometimes pain in the ass, too). Writers allowed to write personal columns at times, etc. … #editorchat

[21:21:19] elyssaeast: @pickcontests Yes but Bob Dylan famously said, “I’m not there.” #editorchat

[21:21:35] LydiaBreakfast: @JuliaAngwin I think it is going to take a while for people to get over the misconceptions about e-books #editorchat

[21:21:39] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Certainly, but the added feedback loop adds dynamism and can lead to better thinking. #editorchat

[21:21:58] sairy: RT @JuliaAngwin some say e-books will finally allow writers to be judged by their words not their covers/marketing #editorchat – yes/no/tbd?

[21:22:00] jimmcbee: … readers ate it up. Market penetration was deep and wide. (Free delivery was big part of it, too.) #editorchat

[21:22:00] littlebrownpen: @JuliaAngwin Agree about ebooks. #editorchat

[21:22:02] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR See, this is why we love having you here, Becky. #editorchat

[21:22:23] BeckyDMBR: @edwardboches TweetDeck’s not bad. It’s just my brain that needs a kick-start. #editorchat

[21:22:37] elizabethbarr: @LydiaBreakfast @JuliaAngwin Agreed. The early adopters will pay for an e-book, but the public at large? #editorchat

[21:22:41] wetzeledit: @JuliaAngwin Judged, but not necessarily sold! (Just kidding…I wish…) #editorchat

[21:22:45] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Agreed. They’ve been co-opted by twammers disguised as marketers. #editorchat

[21:22:55] LydiaBreakfast: @JuliaAngwin some think they are similar to self-pubbed books, ie: mistakenly that no publisher would pick them up #editorchat

[21:23:04] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Undoubtedly it can. But many assume it”s a foregone conclusion, and it’s not. #editorchat

[21:23:13] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast But teh e-book movement is an opportunity to establish identity more deeply, no? #editorchat

[21:23:23] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Agreed. #editorchat

[21:23:43] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Agreed. They’ve been co-opted by twammers disguised as marketers. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:23:52] JuliaAngwin: @wetzeledit Selling is always the hardest part. Boy, am I learning that! #editorchat

[21:23:57] stephauteri: RT @LydiaBreakfast on e-books: some think they are similar to self-pubbed books, & that no publisher would pick them up. [yes!] #editorchat

[21:24:00] SuburbNews: @BeckyDMBR @milehighfool Yes, you’re right, need more research and thoughtfulness, less punditry? #editorchat

[21:24:03] ErikSherman: @LydiaBreakfast And they still have to be marketed, or else no one reads them. #editorchat

[21:24:17] elizabethbarr: E-books aren’t any different from iTunes or music online. Puts a whole industry of execs out of work, but the product is same. #editorchat

[21:24:36] wordful: RT @JuliaAngwin @wetzeledit Selling is always the hardest part. Boy, am I learning that! *Yeah no kidding!* #editorchat

[21:24:46] elyssaeast: @JuliaAngwin So how is it going for you sales wise? What are you learning? #editorchat

[21:25:02] milehighfool: @SuburbNews Absolutely. You can’t stand on a soapbox can yourself authentic or authoritative. #editorchat

[21:25:18] LydiaBreakfast: @JuliaAngwin right and the publisher never tells the author how much of the selling they have to do themselves! #editorchat

[21:25:24] JuliaAngwin: @elyssaeast I made a decision not to ask my publisher for numbers because there was no way I wouldn’t be disappointed. #editorchat

[21:25:30] sairy: wrt e-books, I’ve heard mixed views from people at all points on tech & publishing spectrum – I think in 5 yrs it’ll shake out. #editorchat

[21:25:38] SpecialDee: Byline = reputation = integrity; editors uphold journalists to these standards – in print and online. #editorchat

[21:25:47] rogerdooley: @SpecialDee I’d certainly hope so. But then, I always thought editorial and advertising were different. Old-fashioned, I guess. #editorchat

[21:26:04] milehighfool: Geez. What is it with my typing tonight? I meant, stand on a soapbox and *call* call yourself authoritiative. #editorchat

[21:26:20] Jfavreau: RT @SpecialDee Byline = reputation = integrity; editors uphold journalists to these standards – in print and online #editorchat

[21:26:27] BeckyDMBR: @SuburbNews Yes. Plenty of punditry out there. Not enough research and straight info. #editorchat

[21:26:33] stephauteri: @LydiaBreakfast: That’s b/c publishers financially support only a teeny-weeny percentage of the books they publish. Sure things. #editorchat

[21:26:36] elyssaeast: At least for now the ebook is harder to market than the physical one bc the reader has to shell out for an e-reader. Not cheap! #editorchat

[21:27:10] ErikSherman: @LydiaBreakfast They’re starting to. If they think you can’t sell lots, you don’t get the contract. #editorchat

[21:27:28] stephauteri: @elyssaeast: I’m intrigued by those online publishers who offer books in both e and print form… #editorchat

[21:27:31] LydiaBreakfast: @stephauteri financially support = take a bath a lot of times #editorchat

[21:27:52] elizabethbarr: @rogerdooley Re line between editorial and advertising – growing thinner by the day. #editorchat

[21:27:53] JuliaAngwin: Maybe e-books are eventually transparency for authors – people can compare crowd-source reviews, share reading experiences? #editorchat

[21:28:00] elyssaeast: @JuliaAngwin That’s a solid move. A book’s value is rarely reflected in its sales. #editorchat

[21:28:35] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast I’m still looking for my benefactor. One day they will come! Joining late. Bob Bobala from Intuit. #editorchat

[21:28:38] ErikSherman: OK, speaking of books, I have one to finish tonight. #editorchat

[21:28:41] JDEbberly: @milehighfool I know waht you mean, I’ve been typing tpyos all evening #Editorchat

[21:28:43] KatPowers: @SpecialDee Question: Does identity matter more for a journalist than a run-of-the-mill expert you’re quoting? #editorchat

[21:28:47] LydiaBreakfast: @JuliaAngwin they can sort of do that online at B&N and amazon with reviews and ratings #editorchat

[21:29:02] sairy: RT @JuliaAngwin Maybe e-books are transparency for authors – people can compare crowd-source reviews, share experiences? #editorchat

[21:29:09] BeckyDMBR: Book publishing has changed A LOT in the last 10-15 years. Scaled down on publisher’s end, ramped up on author’s. #editorchat

[21:29:11] jimmcbee: < waiting for someone to offer me money for product placement in an article. #editorchat

[21:29:19] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala Hey there mr San Diego #editorchat

[21:29:25] JDEbberly: I MEANT “what” and “typos”. It’s ironic when I typo’d the word “typo” #Editorchat

[21:29:28] jkwill10: Gospel: RT @SpecialDee: Byline = reputation = integrity; editors uphold journalists to these standards – in print and online. #editorchat

[21:29:38] elyssaeast: @stephauteri Which publishers? #editorchat

[21:29:51] sairy: @JuliaAngwin I think you’ve hit on something… as I’ve followed the tech beyond gov’t transparency projects, we’re not far off. #editorchat

[21:30:05] SuburbNews: @ErikSherman Journos can do analysis based on their expertise but should be clearly labeled analysis. Explaining, not advocating #editorchat

[21:30:09] wordful: Many bloggers create how-to ebooks & give them away in xchange for email address. Then they use mailing list for affiliate sales #editorchat

[21:30:35] SpecialDee: @KatPowers Identity of the journalist or the run of the mill expert being quoted? #editorchat

[21:30:51] elyssaeast: @JDEbberly I make typos all the time w/ TweetDeck. Such tiny fonts. #editorchat

[21:30:55] stephauteri: @elyssaeast: I once worked for academic publishers, and they really only spent $ on direct mail & space advertising. #editorchat

[21:31:21] davidbdale: Transparency is as elusive as objectivity. Who will admit to being a shill for the party or know that he’s blinded by dogma? #editorchat

[21:31:38] gbmiii: @JuliaAngwin #editorchat #quote Bob Dylan – “All I can do is be me” http://ff.im/-2sAMZ

[21:31:43] stephauteri: @elyssaeast: Larger publishers will do the whole publicity thing, but the extent depends on how much faith they have in ur book. #editorchat

[21:32:07] KatPowers: @SpecialDee We’re online, so now we’re at the same level as experts with blogs (for some). 1/2 #editorchat

[21:32:26] SpecialDee: If news becomes aggregated, will journalists have their own RSS feeds based on their byline? by their newspaper? combo? #editorchat

[21:32:47] KatPowers: 2/2 and we’re wrestling with the idea that we have to be above the crowd but also we have to be part of the crowd #editorchat

[21:32:59] elizabethbarr: Many publishers won’t consider you if you don’t have a built-in platform for marketing, either a blog or a column. #editorchat

[21:33:10] milehighfool: @SpecialDee I’ve seen this many places already. TheStreet.com does it. #editorchat

[21:33:37] elizabethbarr: @SpecialDee Great question! That will be one for newspaper guilds to hammer out. Which means no consensus for a while! #editorchat

[21:33:39] timecommander: @Wordful Do you suggest doing this or rather is it not recommended? #editorchat

[21:33:49] sairy: @SpecialDee I’ve already seen feeds by topic and by author in several publications #editorchat

[21:34:10] hinder: @specialDee a lot of pubs have their writers posting all their pieces on twitter/facebook already. Kinda serves as an RSS feed. #editorchat

[21:34:11] SuburbNews: Sadly, I have to go put the kids to bed. I’ll try to return or read the transcript. Thank you. Interesting Qs and debate #editorchat

[21:34:42] JuliaAngwin: So let’s pull this together. How much does maintaining a digital identity, building audience interfere/enhance the writing life? #editorchat

[21:34:45] jimmcbee: @SpecialDee that’s assuming they have newspapers to work for. #editorchat

[21:34:47] milehighfool: @SuburbNews Thanks for joining us again. See you soon. #editorchat

[21:34:50] stephauteri: @hinder: This is true, but I think the ones who are merely broadcasting and not interacting have got it wrong. #editorchat

[21:34:50] SpecialDee: @KatPowers It’s a case of where your stories appear-on a newspaper site? Then there must be an editor behind you. #editorchat

[21:35:08] edwardboches: @SpecialDee wow. that would put even more power in hands of readers and make it even more difficult for pub to make $ or subs #editorchat

[21:35:14] elizabethbarr: @hinder Or they post an excerpt on their blog and link to the paper/magazine. But that’s on a case by case basis, no? #editorchat

[21:35:15] elyssaeast: @stephauteri I was a reviews editor at PW and watched publishers sink tons behind 1 or 2 titles & leave the rest to wither. #editorchat

[21:35:17] LydiaBreakfast: @SuburbNews thanks for joining us, goodnight to the kiddos #editorchat

[21:35:35] wordful: @timecommander Depends on what your intentions are. Some people just use their blogs as a platform to bigger things. #editorchat

[21:35:48] SpecialDee: Exactly. RT @jimmcbee: @SpecialDee that’s assuming they have newspapers to work for. #editorchat

[21:35:49] LydiaBreakfast: Q5 How much does maintaining a digital identity, building audience interfere/enhance the writing life? #editorchat

[21:35:52] hinder: @stephauteri I totally agree. It’s not building a following it’s just shoving news down the people’s throats. #editorchat

[21:35:54] milehighfool: RT Q: How much does maintaining a digital identity, building audience interfere/enhance the writing life? #editorchat

[21:36:28] stephauteri: @JuliaAngwin: It may be time intensive, but I believe it enhances the writing experience. #editorchat

[21:36:49] elyssaeast: @JuliaAngwin Building an identity via social networking at least can be really time consuming & can get in the way of writing. #editorchat

[21:37:00] JuliaAngwin: @stephauteri Do you learn from your audience? Get ideas from readers? #editorchat

[21:37:06] stephauteri: @JuliaAngwin: All that input from those you connect with online enriches your writing by showing you different POVs. #editorchat

[21:37:11] mrinaldesai: @JuliaAngwin #editorchat it’s about ‘you media’ – all very important

[21:37:16] KatPowers: Q5 folks know who I am, where I’m coming from, usually more inclined to feed me info #editorchat

[21:37:31] BaileyMcC: Q5 it enhances it, your audience can be a great asset for material, instant feedback, etc. #editorchat

[21:37:33] sairy: @JuliaAngwin I think it still depends on genre; writing about tech online or off fits well with new media, but it’s a time suck. #editorchat

[21:37:42] elyssaeast: @milehighfool It interferes, but it’s necessary (and can be fun.) #editorchat

[21:37:46] ptrcrown: Thank you! I must go and be myself… “every one else is taken”. This was stimulating and thought provoking. #editorchat

[21:37:47] edwardboches: @stephauteri doesn’t effectiveness of “marketing” or blding readership, and quality of content go hand in hand? #editorchat

[21:37:50] jimmcbee: q5: will be more critical and time consuming the less writers/editors are able to rely on publishers for their daily bread. #editorchat

[21:37:55] stephauteri: @elyssaeast: It’s so sad! I used to feel so frustrated on behalf of my authors. #editorchat

[21:37:56] elizabethbarr: Q5 I think it involves a lot more strategy and deciding beforehand what your brand is and what you stand for. Gives you focus. #editorchat

[21:37:58] bob_bobala: @milehighfool If you like to write and communicate with people it opens up a huge world. If you don’t, it’s gotta be tiring. #editorchat

[21:38:21] JDEbberly: Q5: It actually enhances my writing. back when I had three online identities, tracking diff. identities enhanced creativity #Editorchat

[21:38:36] stephauteri: @edwardboches: Oh totally! If I was putting out complete drivel, I’m assuming I’d have far less followers. #editorchat

[21:38:41] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast @JuliaAngwin Q5 I think it depends on your writing/reporting. #editorchat

[21:38:42] LydiaBreakfast: @ptrcrown Thanks for joining us tonight, you did very well for a first timer #editorchat

[21:38:44] Jfavreau: @JuliaAngwin I am new to this and I tend to build a following by participating in chats like this. #editorchat

[21:38:49] bacigalupe: @JuliaAngwin @JuliaAngwin transparency & honesty may be correlated but not sure one leads to the other, aren’t they contextual? #editorchat

[21:38:54] edwardboches: can’t believe i just posted a tweet with a grammatical error on editorchat #editorchat

[21:39:00] hinder: I’ve found the digital identity helps the writing. Sources reach out to you plus you are more connected to what they care about. #editorchat

[21:39:27] mguerard: @edwardboches Did any of these editors pounce on it? #editorchat #editorchat

[21:39:28] LydiaBreakfast: @edwardboches typing so quickly, it is hard NOT to make a mistake #editorchat

[21:39:29] bob_bobala: @JDEbberly Three identities! I’d say that’s an enhancement. #editorchat

[21:39:46] BeckyDMBR: @edwardboches We’re all editing you! #editorchat

[21:39:46] elyssaeast: Q5 The good thing is that it enables authors to exceed more control w/ marketing themselves. It’s audience building. #editorchat

[21:39:59] JuliaAngwin: @JDEbberly Maybe multiple online identities is good practice for character development. #editorchat

[21:40:45] edwardboches: @mguerard no, but i saw a post with a worse mistake right after mine, so i feel ok, thanks. #editorchat

[21:40:46] milehighfool: Having an identity is a prerequisite to creating a community, which is essential both for writer and outlet, no? #editorchat

[21:40:51] elyssaeast: @BeckyDMBR LOL! #editorchat

[21:40:53] wordful: Q5 it certainly gives us more control and reach over our potential to be heard #editorchat

[21:41:16] jkwill10: Q5: I get a little social media-ed out from time to time and don’t keep up with people like I should #editorchat

[21:41:24] underoak: Hey, #editorchat, dropping in to share from @fionamorgan: With fewer reporters covering local news, who fills gaps? http://bit.ly/12wbWF

[21:41:52] JDEbberly: @JuliaAngwin I agree with you there, Julia, except that I never went on to writing great Tom Clancy novels #Editorchat

[21:42:00] SpecialDee: Q5: Building audience/maintaining online identity can boost your resources-it’s the ultimate business card. #editorchat

[21:42:12] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Very much so. But if writing, engagement is part of the deal. #editorchat

[21:42:22] LydiaBreakfast: @underoak that is a whole other discussion, maybe for next session? #editorchat

[21:42:27] bob_bobala: Building an online identity can sure help hone your voice. #editorchat

[21:42:31] jimmcbee: Gotta do supper. Thanks to Julia. Take care, y’all, and check out http://smartnewsnc.com when you get a chance. Hi to @underoak #editorchat

[21:42:32] wetzeledit: Shoot, I have to go–thanks for the great chat and I’ll see you all ’round the Twittersphere. –Wendy Wetzel, freelance copyed #editorchat

[21:42:34] stephauteri: @milehighfool: I agree. If you lack focus, you lack identity, in which case it becomes tougher to build a body of work #editorchat

[21:42:45] stephauteri: @milehighfool: …and build an audience. #editorchat

[21:43:00] milehighfool: @wetzeledit Thanks, Wendy. Glad you could join us. #editorchat

[21:43:18] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee ‘Night Jim, thanks again. #editorchat

[21:43:39] JuliaAngwin: @JDEbberly There’s still time! #editorchat

[21:43:41] sairy: @JuliaAngwin thanks – this was a great #editorchat

[21:43:42] LydiaBreakfast: @wetzeledit Thanks Wendy always a pleasure #editorchat

[21:43:54] milehighfool: @stephauteri And without the audience … (Shudders). #editorchat

[21:43:55] bob_bobala: @milehighfool I’m just saying the Emily Dickinson’s of the world would struggle with social media. #editorchat

[21:44:04] jkwill10: #editorchat rocks as always. @lydiabreakfast and @milehighfool are superstars. Nite

[21:44:26] JuliaAngwin: @sairy Thanks for coming, thoroughly enjoyed it. #editorchat

[21:44:30] milehighfool: @jimmcbee Thanks much, Jim. See you next week. #editorchat

[21:44:36] LydiaBreakfast: @jkwill10 we heart you too Jeff #editorchat

[21:44:53] elizabethbarr: @bob_bobala I think Emily Dickinson would love SM. She’d just be a lurker and skewerer of it. #editorchat

[21:45:02] milehighfool: @jkwill10 Thanks, Jeff. See you next week, I hope. #editorchat

[21:45:05] JDEbberly: @JuliaAngwin It would be nice if I could write up a couple dozen thrillers. Great retirement revenue stream potential there #Editorchat

[21:45:05] underoak: @LydiaBreakfast Yep, sorry for getting off topic. Apologies. My answer to Q5 upcoming will partly ‘splain. #editorchat

[21:45:46] LydiaBreakfast: RT @elizabethbarr I think Emily Dickinson would love SM. She’d just be a lurker and skewerer of it. -Brilliant! #editorchat

[21:46:01] JDEbberly: @jimmcbee Looking forward to seeing you next week! Have a fabulous evening! #Editorchat

[21:46:04] milehighfool: Killjoy warning: 10 minutes left. We’ll allow for a re-intro and a link beginning at 9:55 pm. #editorchat

[21:46:04] KatPowers: @elizabethbarr Imagine Dylan Thomas embracing social media! #editorchat

[21:46:05] bob_bobala: @elizabethbarr Right on, Elizabeth. #editorchat

[21:46:09] JuliaAngwin: @elizabethbarr Maybe we should just start tweeting Emily Dickinson lines and bring her to life! #editorchat

[21:46:31] elyssaeast: @elizabethbarr If ED were alive today she’d blog her heart out! #editorchat

[21:46:33] LydiaBreakfast: @JuliaAngwin she has a myspace page #editorchat

[21:46:50] underoak: Q5 for #editorchat: Yes, digital life interferes with writing focus (as I procrastitweet). But it adds massive sources, links, connections.

[21:47:04] elizabethbarr: Way OT, but a blogger I read did a post about Shakespeare’s Twitter stream. It was hilarious! #editorchat

[21:47:08] hinder: She’d be a creeper! RT @elizabethbarr I think Emily Dickinson would love SM. She’d just be a skewerer of it. -Brilliant! #editorchat

[21:47:16] LydiaBreakfast: @underoak procrastitweet! #editorchat

[21:47:23] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Doesn’t Shakespeare as well? #editorchat

[21:47:32] SpecialDee: @JDEbberly Write a couple dozen thrillers? Just enrolled in Writing Fiction course – starts in few weeks. #editorchat

[21:47:41] elyssaeast: @underoak procrastitweet: I love that! #editorchat

[21:48:14] JDEbberly: @underoak That’s a new Twerm, “Procrastitweet” I need to remember to post it on the Twitter Wiki #Editorchat

[21:48:27] pickcontests: (@gbmiii)@JuliaAngwin #editorchat #quote Bob Dylan – “All I can do is be me” http://ff.im/-2sAMZ http://twitter.com/gbmiii/statuses/1654 …

[21:48:38] LydiaBreakfast: @elizabethbarr BTW would love to see Dorothy Parker tweet. That would be amazing #editorchat

[21:49:01] JuliaAngwin: @underoak procrastitweet: I’m the opposite, I procrastinate tweeting! #editorchat

[21:49:23] milehighfool: @elyssaeast Another twitticism. Tons of them at the Twictionary. (Yes, that’s real.) #editorchat

[21:49:38] stephauteri: RT @underoak: Yes, digital life interferes with writing focus (as I procrastitweet). But it adds massive sources, links… #editorchat

[21:49:50] elizabethbarr: @LydiaBreakfast Dorothy Parker’s Tweets? Don’t give me ideas. (Should I call dibs on this? How does that work?) #editorchat

[21:50:04] Vitalizer: RT @JDEbberly: @underoak That’s a new Twerm, “Procrastitweet” I need to remember to post it on the Twitter Wiki #Editorchat

[21:50:26] LydiaBreakfast: @elizabethbarr ha ha that could be a joint project. What fresh hell indeed! #editorchat

[21:50:36] wordful: BTW what happened to the editorchat.wordpress.com blog? I never saw this week’s questions posted there. #editorchat

[21:50:46] milehighfool: @Vitalizer Send me a link when it’s up. #editorchat

[21:50:52] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Tons of ways to procrastinate. At least SM offers networking, swine flu updates, etc. #editorchat

[21:51:34] stephauteri: RT: @BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Tons of ways to procrastinate. At least SM offers networking, swine flu updates, etc. #editorchat

[21:51:36] milehighfool: @wordful Since Julia had questions of her own we decided to not post a new intro. #editorchat

[21:52:22] elizabethbarr: Speaking of swine flu, has editorchat tackled the topic of media scares/responsible reporting on public health? #editorchat

[21:52:28] wordful: @milehighfool oh, thanks. I was late, must have missed that. #editorchat

[21:52:58] bacigalupe: @LydiaBreakfast would we have a new form of twitter poetry with all kind of deconstructive theories about the 140 characters? #editorchat

[21:53:04] wordful: @wordful and thanks Julia for your questions! #editorchat

[21:53:22] LydiaBreakfast: @elizabethbarr not yet, perhaps for another week #editorchat

[21:53:41] milehighfool: Two-minute warning. At 9:55 om we’ll start re-intros and a link. #editorchat

[21:53:50] JuliaAngwin: @wordful Thanks for coming – it was really fun! #editorchat

[21:54:01] LydiaBreakfast: @bacigalupe that is a great idea! #editorchat

[21:54:30] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Two-minute warning. At 9:55 om we’ll start re-intros and a link. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:55:16] JuliaAngwin: Thanks to @LydiaBreakfast and @milehighfool for hosting me tonight. This has been a real pleasure and thought-provoking. #editorchat

[21:55:21] dugL: @bacigalupe , you’re so soupy, i wanna snake past @LydiaBreakfast, #editorchat is where it’s at. that’s twitter poetry

[21:55:30] BeckyDMBR: @bacigalupe Deconstructing poetry would be “funner” if it coincided with Drunk Tweeting. Just sayin’. #editorchat #editorchat

[21:55:46] milehighfool: And we’re at 9:55. Reintroduce yourself and add a link if you’d like. #editorchat

[21:55:56] jg_rat: missed most of #editorchat again. Editoring got in the way again. Sigh.

[21:56:12] bacigalupe: @JuliaAngwin terrific questions! #editorchat

[21:56:17] BeckyDMBR: @JuliaAngwin Thanks so much for coming tonight! #editorchat #editorchat

[21:56:23] elyssaeast: All of this procrastinating talk is making me feel guilty! (Head hanging in shame.) I have to get back to my book. #editorchat

[21:56:37] underoak: @BeckyDMBR Indeed on procrastination via SM. And perhaps tweeting also serves as a writing warmup exercise. #editorchat

[21:56:48] elizabethbarr: Have to put my toque on and make creme brulees. I really enjoyed my first EC. Thanks to Lydia, Milehigh and @JuliaAngwin! #editorchat

[21:56:55] stephauteri: Glad to catch the last half of #editorchat! Fabulous as always. #editorchat

[21:57:21] JDEbberly: Hello, I’m J.D. Ebberly. I recommend that you participate in Editorchat every Wednesday Night from 8p to 10p EST #Editorchat

[21:57:23] stephauteri: Steph Auteri. Writer for Nerve.com and other pubs. I also blog over at http://www.freelancedom.com #editorchat

[21:57:34] SpecialDee: Thanks to @LydiaBreakfast and @milehighfool for hosting @JuliaAngwin tonight. #editorchat

[21:57:38] elyssaeast: Thank you @milehighfool, @LydiaBreakfast, @JuliaAngwin, and ALL for such an interesting discussion. I’m so glad I dropped by. #editorchat

[21:57:41] stephauteri: @elizabethbarr: yummm…creme brulee… #editorchat

[21:57:56] BeckyDMBR: I’m a freelance journalist in Iow-ay, online and (gasp) in print. #editorchat

[21:58:06] elyssaeast: Cheers to all. It certainly was time well spent. #editorchat

[21:58:23] KatPowers: editor of a paper and website just outside Boston, using your wisdom at http://www.wickedlocal.com/somerville #editorchat

[21:58:37] hinder: Writer/editor for a variety of pubs. Thanks #editorchat – had a great time.

[21:58:46] bob_bobala: Thanks guys. Bob Bobala writing for TurboTax, Quicken, formerly Motley Fool, and for myself here: http://exitstrategypress.com #editorchat

[21:58:50] BeckyDMBR: @underoak Tweeting definitely limbers you up for editing your work. #editorchat

[21:59:01] JuliaAngwin: Happy Wednesday – thanks to all of you for joining the discussion tonight! #editorchat

[21:59:11] BaileyMcC: Bailey McCann managing editor at CivSource, writer/copywriter/editor/etc at other places too. www.civsourceonline.com #editorchat

[21:59:22] JDEbberly: MAJOR KUDOS to @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for hosting @JuliaAngwin here on Editorchat. Very Fascinating chat!! #Editorchat

[21:59:46] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast Hello, I’m Dan Miranda. I couldn’t make it to #editorchat, but I look forward to being there next week. Oh yeah, I’m 13.

[21:59:56] wordful: Charles Bohannan struggling writer editor blogger in Hawaii. #editorchat

[21:59:56] SpecialDee: Great discussions 2nite! Thanks! Here’s what I do as a Special Sections editor http://bit.ly/dHBIr #editorchat

[22:00:06] LydiaBreakfast: Thanks to all for coming tonight, hope you enjoyed mixing it up with our guest mod. @juliaangwin #editorchat

[22:01:43] JDEbberly: @LydiaBreakfast This chat was off the charts tonight! I’m telling all my Twitter friends about it! #Editorchat

[22:02:33] LydiaBreakfast: @timecommander thanks Dan, oh and feel free to use your real 13 y/o speak. my daughter only talks in txt. #editorchat

[22:03:09] LydiaBreakfast: @JDEbberly awesome glad you had a good time #editorchat

[22:03:12] Jfavreau: Jamie Favreau writer at http://jamiefavreau.wordpress.com and trying to create an opp as a freelancer or community coordinator. #editorchat

[22:03:43] milehighfool: Thanks to everyone for joining and to @JuliaAngwin for moderating. Once more, find Stealing MySpace here: http://bit.ly/15mS3W #editorchat

[22:04:16] elizabethbarr: Indeed! RT @JDEbberly: @LydiaBreakfast This chat was off the charts tonight! I’m telling all my Twitter friends about it! #Editorchat

[22:04:26] bikelady: I apologize for slipping out. Got a call from sis. Her daughter in an accident. Had to take that call. I’ll try again next week. #editorchat

[22:05:37] LydiaBreakfast: We’ll try to post the transcript as soon as we can. Check editorchat.wordpress.com for the full conversation. Good night all! #editorchat

[22:05:39] milehighfool: Continue as long as you’ like but I’m signing off. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, http://timbeyers.com Night all #editorchat

[22:06:21] CathyWebSavvyPR: @JuliaAngwin Sorry I missed your chat tonight, I was co-hosting a #SmallBizChat from 8-9 and forgot about #editorchat after

[22:07:36] hdbbstephen: @edwardboches #editorchat Just had a convo about ID & name. Difficult for me, have a *very* common name…

[22:08:12] JDEbberly: The transcript will soon be posted at http://editorchat.wordpress.com for those who missed the chat tonight #Editorchat

[22:08:17] CathyWebSavvyPR: RT @JuliaAngwin Potent’l success story some say e-books will finally allow writers 2 B judged by their words not covers/mrketing #editorchat

[22:08:20] JuliaAngwin: @CathyWebSavvyPR No worries, thanks for trying to stop by! #editorchat

[22:08:52] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast G’night! Thanks for another great chat! #editorchat

[20:30:28] milehighfool: And we’re live. Julia Angwin of The Wall Street Journal, our planned guest moderator, is on a breaking story. #editorchat

[20:30:51] KarenLynch: The stars aligned and I checked Twitter just before the start of this chat. I’m a freelancer, joining in! #editorchat

[20:31:22] milehighfool: So it’ll be yours truly and @LydiaBreakfast with you, as usual. Introduce yourself as you join, and welcome. #editorchat

[20:31:36] OurManinSH: rt: first credentialed twitter coverage of a Omega China Golf pro tour w/ @lonniehodge over at @chinagolf #journchat #editorchat

[20:31:56] milehighfool: Welcome, Karen. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:31:59] SpecialDee: Newspapers want 2 build online communities; would you blog on your local newspaper’s site if they allowed readers to blog? #editorchat

[20:32:10] wordful: Hello Charles Bohannan here in Hawaii: writer, editor, blogger, surfer. #editorchat

[20:32:13] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast Sorry to hear that but glad we’re still having it #editorchat

[20:32:33] LydiaBreakfast: H?ello tweeps, sorry about @juliaangwin but we are forging ahead. #editorchat

[20:32:41] anndouglas: I’ll be joining in tonight, too. (Author, blogger, mag columnist: pregnancy/parenting etc.) Love this chat! #editorchat

[20:32:50] hotspringer: Rebecca McCormick here. Fountain pen-lovin’, cello-playin’ freelance travel writer from Hot Springs, Arkansas. #editorchat

[20:32:59] SpecialDee: RT @SpecialDee: I am Special Sections editor at Maine newspaper. #editorchat

[20:33:08] JDEbberly: Hi JD Ebberly in N VA, blogger who writes pieces on blogging and new media #Editorchat

[20:33:12] bob_bobala: Bob Bobala of TurboTax, Quicken, and formerly The Motley Fool, signing in while still working here on the West Coast #editorchat

[20:33:17] milehighfool: Hei Ann, Rebecca, Charles — glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:33:24] wetzeledit: I’m back! Glad the chat is on. Wendy Wetzel, freelance editor (Christian books) #editorchat

[20:33:27] travelinggal: Hello – I’m freelance writer/blogger who covers mainly travel as well as other topics. Glad to be here #editorchat

[20:33:28] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Howdy, howdy … Becky, journalist in Iow-ay here! #editorchat

[20:33:38] spencerspellman: Hello all, Spencer Spellman here. Greenville, South Carolina freelance writer and travel editor #editorchat

[20:33:43] SuSaw: RT @juliaangwin*so* sorry that I cannot host the #editorchat discussion tonight. I am swamped by MySpace news. DEEPEST Apologies.

[20:33:46] milehighfool: @SpecialDee Glad you could make it. You too, Bob and JD. #editorchat

[20:34:06] timecommander: @VeronicaFitzHug #editorchat time!

[20:34:15] UrbanMuseWriter: So glad I finally get to join #editorchat Boston-based freelance writer/blogger covering career & lifestyle topics

[20:34:17] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR Becky! Glad you could make it. Thanks for joining. #editorchat

[20:34:26] travelinggal: I forgot to add that I’m in NE Georgia. #editorchat

[20:34:36] jennipps: Hi, everyone! Jen here, fl writer in south Oklahoma, currently writing about writing, freelancing, & (new gig) health. #editorchat

[20:34:39] anndouglas: Will be participating in #editorchat until approx 10 pm. (in case you wish to adjust your settings).

[20:34:47] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR A photographer friend made me look good. #editorchat

[20:35:09] milehighfool: @UrbanMuseWriter Hey Susan. Finally is right — glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:35:15] spencerspellman: @jennipps Glad to see you here tonight. #editorchat

[20:35:37] DaydreamWriter: Joining #editorchat tonight. Philadelphia-based freelance writer/blogger covering health, entertainment, education, and lifestyle.

[20:35:39] jennipps: @spencerspellman And same to you. #editorchat

[20:35:44] milehighfool: @timecommander Glad you could make it again. Welcome. #editorchat

[20:35:45] timecommander: Hey everyone, I’m Dan Miranda, the thirteen year old blogger. I see a lot of familiar faces, which is great! #editorchat

[20:35:55] GeriRosman: Any business writers/editors on tonight? I’m a publicist based in NJ. Thanks! #editorchat

[20:35:56] milehighfool: Time to get to the rules. #editorchat

[20:36:11] spencerspellman: @DaydreamWriter Welcome #editorchat

[20:36:15] milehighfool: No 1. Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:36:16] JDEbberly: @timecommander Great to see you again Dan! #Editorchat

[20:36:35] LydiaBreakfast: Glad to see everyone tonight Thanks for joining despite our change o’ plans. #editorchat

[20:36:41] milehighfool: Rule No. 2. Stay on topic #editorchat

[20:37:01] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast It’ll still be a great chat. #editorchat

[20:37:12] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat

[20:37:17] timecommander: @JDEbberly @milehighfool Great to be here again! Appreciate the warm welcome! #editorchat

[20:37:25] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast No worries. Glad we can still forge ahead. #editorchat

[20:37:29] shortformernie: Hey all, Ernie Smith, designer at Wash Post Express, Editor of ShortFormBlog (http://shortformblog.com/). And I’m a cool guy. #editorchat

[20:37:36] CrypticFragment: @jennipps is #editorchat for editors only or also writers like #writechat ?

[20:37:42] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:37:53] UrbanMuseWriter: @milehighfool Thanks! Looking forward to this #editorchat

[20:38:03] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:11] milehighfool: @shortformernie You do a great job,, too, Ernie. Love the blog. #editorchat

[20:38:29] jennipps: @CrypticFragment It’s also for writers. Join us! Best way (IMO) is Tweetchat. #editorchat

[20:38:35] LydiaBreakfast: @CrypticFragment editors and writers #editorchat

[20:38:39] jimmcbee: Dropping in. Ex-newspaper guy, current newsletter guy + http://smartnewsnc.com guy. #editorchat

[20:38:40] milehighfool: @CrypticFragment Writers welcome. For editors and those of us who write for them. #editorchat

[20:38:52] PDXsays: hi writer|editor freelance Porltand or #editorchat

[20:38:52] hotspringer: (I love it when @milehighfool enforces Rule No. 4. He zapped me one night.) #editorchat

[20:39:16] spencerspellman: @jimmcbee Welcome. Glad to see you here again. #editorchat

[20:39:31] milehighfool: @jimmcbee Good to see you again, Jim, #editorchat

[20:39:35] Sascha_Zuger: Hi all, popping in for a bit, but on deadline. Freelancer for mags/papers, author. #editorchat

[20:39:36] spencerspellman: @PDXsays Welcome. Nice to meet you. #editorchat

[20:40:20] shortformernie: @milehighfool Thanks man #editorchat

[20:40:21] gmarkham: @SpecialDee nope. I have nothing that I want to say to the geographic community. #editorchat

[20:40:23] spencerspellman: @Sascha_Zuger Welcome. I feel the deadline thing. I can only stay for a bit too because of deadlines #editorchat

[20:40:27] jimmcbee: Good to be here again. Missed out last week. ^5 to Ernie, while I’m at it. #editorchat

[20:40:45] CrypticFragment: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast @jennipps hello I’m a poet/fiction writer just relocated to Denver, recently resumed writing also #editorchat

[20:41:00] LydiaBreakfast: So tweeps, we are going to shelve @juliaangwin’s questions since she’s not here, and throw out some other ones on the same topic #editorchat

[20:41:10] travelinggal: Deadlines must be catching. I’m on a few as well. #editorchat

[20:41:37] LydiaBreakfast: @travelinggal thanks for joining us despite your deadlines #editorchat

[20:41:44] milehighfool: @CrypticFragment Well then we should meeti up. I’m in Littleton, over by the Chatfield State Park. #editorchat

[20:42:08] Single_Shot: Hey folks! Diane Mapes, Seattle freelance journalist covering lifestyle, health, singles issues & oddball body stuff. #editorchat

[20:42:12] travelinggal: @LydiaBreakfast wouldn’t miss it #editorchat

[20:42:18] KarenLynch: Love seeing fellow FLXers here. Hi all. Thanks fearless mods for doing this! #editorchat

[20:42:20] standupkid: Hello all… television reporter, freelancer at the New York Post, blogger and soon to be wine travel expert here. #editorchat

[20:42:24] LydiaBreakfast: Please refer to the Question number when you answer so we can all follow along #editorchat

[20:42:32] jennipps: @travelinggal Same here. Got some new ones this morning, too. #editorchat

[20:42:45] JenniferPerillo: Hey all. Jennifer here. Recipe developer/writer/editor in NYC. #editorchat

[20:42:49] CrypticFragment: @milehighfool I am in DU vicinity public transit not familiar w/area yet, just arrived late last night! #editorchat

[20:43:05] mriggen: @LydiaBreakfast Hi there, joining late but editor of http://www.poptech.org/blog/ First time here! #editorchat

[20:43:22] travelinggal: @standupkid wine travel – how interesting #editorchat

[20:43:24] LydiaBreakfast: Q1 On online identities – writers: do you consciously write to develop a certain following? #editorchat

[20:43:29] UrbanMuseWriter: @jennipps Congrats on the new assignments! #editorchat

[20:43:54] standupkid: @travelinggal @mrsstandupkid and I are launching a site this summer! #editorchat

[20:44:28] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Right. Broadcasting yourself is an interesting idea. We want to know why you broadcast. #editorchat

[20:44:40] SpecialDee: @gmarkham What if your blog was about writing/journalism, which local businesses would benefit from in their marketing writing? #editorchat

[20:44:56] jennipps: @UrbanMuseWriter Thanks! New-to-me area, but I’m excited. #editorchat

[20:44:57] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast I’m not sure what you mean by “certain following”, but I don’t write for one set crowd. I write for people. #editorchat

[20:45:14] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast Q1 So why you broadcast yourself on Twitter, Facebook, etc.? #editorchat

[20:45:21] rondoylewrites: Alright, I finally get to squeeze one tweet into #editorchat! Hi everyone, I’m Ron S. Doyle, freelance writer from Denver, CO. #editorchat

[20:45:30] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q1 On online identities – writers: do you consciously write to develop a certain following? #editorchat

[20:45:47] KarenLynch: @LydiaBreakfast Can you clarify Q1? Do you mean a Twitter/FB following? #editorchat

[20:46:03] milehighfool: @rondoylewrites Finally — glad to see you here, sir. Loving the Mile High presence here tonight. #editorchat

[20:46:04] jimmcbee: q1) can you clarify the question a little? do you mean re: blogging? twitteration? #editorchat

[20:46:05] jennipps: Q1 – Maybe…. I never really thought about it, but since my preferred niche is primarily writing/creativity, I guess so. #editorchat

[20:46:12] SpecialDee: Q1: In my work, each supplement has a theme, with a niche audience. #editorchat

[20:46:14] LydiaBreakfast: @timecommander The certain following usually springs from specialization on a specific topic: travel or food perhaps. #editorchat

[20:46:16] gillespi: Morning all – greetings from Brisbane Australia – author and occasional op-ed writer on the danger of sugar. #editorchat

[20:46:17] spencerspellman: Yes I had the same question , thanks @KarenLynch #editorchat

[20:46:24] cnewvine: Colleen Newvine joining late. Head of market research at AP & voice of @apstylebook. Really interested in multiple identities. #editorchat

[20:46:27] wordful: I like to write truthfully and hope to attract people who appreciate truth. The rule applies across genres. #editorchat

[20:46:30] anndouglas: Q1: I am who I am, both online and offline. I don’t have an online persona, although I know others do (like radio hosts etc). #editorchat

[20:46:40] milehighfool: @KarenLynch So, on Q1, why are you on FB, Twitter? Were you pressured by a publisher, editor to get here? #editorchat

[20:46:46] LydiaBreakfast: @KarenLynch across the board, online and print audiences #editorchat

[20:46:46] rondoylewrites: Q1: Absolutely. @twittercize connects me to the health/fitness demographic and I blog about topics that I pitch to magazines. #editorchat

[20:46:50] JDEbberly: Q1: WRT to blogging, bloggers write to attract a certain audience. #Editorchat

[20:47:02] shortformernie: Re Q1: God, my entire site is writing to nurture a following. I want to engage people. I want people who crave information. #editorchat

[20:47:06] Sascha_Zuger: Q1 Wouldn’t say I write for a certain following, but I’m aware I use my full, real name and edit myself accordingly. #editorchat

[20:47:16] bob_bobala: Q1: Secondary question to that: Do you write for/as yourself or for/as the organization you represent? #editorchat

[20:47:23] booksandcorsets: Hello all, joining the chat. I’m an editor at Sterling publishing working primarily in nonfiction and heavily illustrated titles #editorchat

[20:47:37] shortformernie: Q1: But I actually wrote about this yesterday on my friend Charles Apple’s blog. #editorchat

[20:47:40] milehighfool: RT @shortformernie: Re Q1: God, my entire site is writing to nurture a following. I want to engage people. #editorchat

[20:48:00] spencerspellman: Q1 Personally I first started getting sucked into FB, etc. for personal use, staying connected with friends… #editorchat

[20:48:04] standupkid: Q1: I believe branding yourself is the best way to build an audience in today’s environment, on TV, in print, online. #editorchat

[20:48:14] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Lloyd here from Southern Ontario Outdoors. I have 3 distinct markets I write for. Different persona for each

[20:48:16] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast I understand that. I’m still saying, I write for people. People are my niche. #editorchat

[20:48:19] rondoylewrites: Q1: For example, I blog about cycling, parenting, etc. Do I want a certain following? Yes, they’re called editors. #editorchat

[20:48:21] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala I know some writers do, such as @kathysena tweeting as consumer reports #editorchat

[20:48:41] jennipps: @bob_bobala I mostly write for/as myself unless given a different stylesheet to go by. #editorchat

[20:48:45] spencerspellman: Q1 Now it’s half and half, because there’s some range to my niches, I write to a general audience, not so much focuesed #editorchat

[20:48:46] AbsoluteWrite: Hi, folks – MacAllister, from AbsoluteWrite.com. After lurking for a couple of weeks, thought I should introduce myself. #editorchat

[20:48:52] shortformernie: Q1: My opinion is that you have to blog broadly. You have to focus, it has to be something a lot of people can latch onto. #editorchat

[20:49:03] milehighfool: @bob_bobala There are those here who have to have a following, and those who create one through content. Agree? #editorchat

[20:49:08] jimmcbee: q1) we have a definite style for the med. coding newsletters. Policy stuff is more the Awful Voice of Newspapering. #editorchat

[20:49:18] jennipps: @AbsoluteWrite woohoo!! Great to see you here, Mac!! #editorchat

[20:49:19] KarenLynch: Re Q1: I started on Twitter to get a following for my niche blog. My tweets were often topical, absolutely #editorchat

[20:49:32] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie do you tend to think using first person is a way to get there? #editorchat

[20:49:36] UrbanMuseWriter: Q1 I’m on Twitter primarily to connect with other writers /potential blog readers but I’ve found it useful for other things, too #editorchat

[20:49:37] spencerspellman: Q1 I would like to think that my normal personality comes out strongly in my writing and interaction on Twitter #editorchat

[20:49:51] shortformernie: Q1: That’s why TechCrunch is successful. That’s why a narrowly focused journalism blog will, sadly, never make money. #editorchat

[20:49:59] wordful: Part of writing online is revealing your personality, thus you may develop a “cult of personality.” #editorchat

[20:49:59] rondoylewrites: Alright, I must go–it’s my wedding anniversary (getting to pop into #editorchat was my present) Happy writing, everyone! #editorchat

[20:50:01] Willowbottom: Better late than never? Re Q1: I’m on Twitter for two reasons: 1) Encouraged to see who’s saying what, 2) Be inspired. #editorchat

[20:50:02] anndouglas: Q1: Brand new anthology about moms/blogging touches about blog personas. [Am contributor.] http://is.gd/tZ5B #editorchat

[20:50:06] spencerspellman: @AbsoluteWrite Welcome. Glad to see you here. #editorchat

[20:50:06] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Yeah, it’s driving me buggy. I have my own writing life and then I also have my day job. Split personality. #editorchat

[20:50:06] booksandcorsets: Q1: I’m on Twitter for myself rather than my house. I’m in acquisitions and the netwrkng w/agents and potential aus is priceless #editorchat

[20:50:12] milehighfool: @KarenLynch Do you edit yourself a certain way for Twitter? For FB? #editorchat

[20:50:17] hinder: Hi all. First time on #editorchat writer/editor for teen, hip hop and real estate pubs.

[20:50:18] KarenLynch: @UrbanMuseWriter I agree … interaction became a serendipitous benefit of Twitter #editorchat

[20:50:20] UrbanMuseWriter: Q1 in terms of my paid assignments, I write a lot for college students & twentysomethings, as well as small business owners #editorchat

[20:50:20] Single_Shot: Q1: My “platform” is singles issues so I def. cover the singles stuff on the blog (& via assignments). Humor is part of it 2. #editorchat

[20:50:45] anndouglas: Touches upon…. [Blush.] #editorchat

[20:50:46] milehighfool: @Willowbottom Hey. Glad you made it. So a following isn’t your interest? #editorchat

[20:50:52] LydiaBreakfast: Q1 let me clarify again – developing a voice is not just related to twitter, but to your blogs, print, books, etc. #editorchat

[20:51:02] shortformernie: @lydiabreakfast ShortFormBlog is in the voice of “we.” Because I’d rather sell people on the concept, not the writer. So, no. #editorchat

[20:51:06] JMegonigal: Hi all! Jordana, editor in South Carolina, following along here #editorchat

[20:51:32] timecommander: @standupkid Agreed. I came across a great article on personal branding becoming the future here: http://bit.ly/awec #editorchat

[20:51:40] wordful: Q1 The voice should reflect your persona. #editorchat

[20:51:40] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Right. A single voice for every platform?Or multiple voices for multiple platforms? #editorchat

[20:51:41] spencerspellman: Actually I would change my answer some and say that there usually is a certain type of voice to my writing #editorchat

[20:51:51] maggiekb1: Q1: I use a voice here that I can’t use in all my assignments, definitely. But I’m not sure I do that w/ a plan. Maybe I should. #editorchat

[20:51:54] KarenLynch: @milehighfool I do not edit myself … I’m such an open book. Social media seems to just be another way to be myself. #editorchat

[20:51:57] spencerspellman: @JMegonigal Hey there. Welcome! Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:51:59] Willowbottom: @milehighfool I hope ppl will follow b/c they find me interesting & want to contribute to the dialogue. No interest in bldg #s. #editorchat

[20:52:11] shortformernie: @LydiaBreakfast It’s something I borrowed in part from my old paper, Link. We had a “voice,” but it was not one person’s. #editorchat

[20:52:12] AbsoluteWrite: @jennipps Thanks, Jen. Followed you over, y’know. It’s interesting being a fly on the wall while such terrific folks talk #editorchat

[20:52:18] JMegonigal: Q1 – I’d think (esp for freelancers) creating yourself as your own brand should be goal #1… #editorchat

[20:52:19] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast I think I’m pretty consistent across the board, but someone else would have to actually say if I succeed or not. #editorchat

[20:52:31] LydiaBreakfast: Related to Q1 if you are using different personas, how do you accomplish that (style, mixed media, lots o’ links, etc.)? #editorchat

[20:52:38] JDEbberly: RT @timecommander I came across a great article on personal branding becoming the future here: http://bit.ly/awec #Editorchat

[20:52:43] Willowbottom: I do edit myself for different platforms – Twitter grants me a certain level of anonymity allowing me to be more frank/spunky. #editorchat

[20:52:43] konadad: RT @rondoylewrites: I blog about cycling, parenting, etc. Do I want a certain following? Yes, they’re called editors. #editorchat Agreed.

[20:52:44] UrbanMuseWriter: @milehighfool I’d say the voice depends on the pub. I’d be more casual in a teen website vs. B2B pub #editorchat

[20:52:53] milehighfool: @maggiekb1 Or maybe you shouldn’t. Seems this is an open question, which is why we’re asking it. #editorchat

[20:53:03] jimmcbee: Med. coding pubs style is a weird combination of familiarity (2nd person) and super technical content. #editorchat

[20:53:15] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Once upon a time ago, I tried the different personas thing. I couldn’t do it. #editorchat

[20:53:19] CrypticFragment: leaving #editorchat need to catch up on other online errands can’t keep up see the writers folks Sunday at #writechat

[20:53:26] KarenLynch: @milehighfool And no, no pressure to get here … just a desire to learn the way of the future of communication/media #editorchat

[20:53:38] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee sounds like it takes a while to master #editorchat

[20:53:45] SpecialDee: Q1 I think people read articles based on topics of interest, followed by bylines; but topic makes the reader stick w/article. #editorchat

[20:53:47] milehighfool: @UrbanMuseWriter And in your online presence? is the Susan of your artidles the same as the one we read on Twitter? #editorchat

[20:53:49] spencerspellman: My writing style in articles, content, blogs, even FB/Twitter doesn’t change much at all #editorchat

[20:53:50] Willowbottom: @LydiaBreakfast Tone of response – on Facebook or blog, must tone myself down, be more informative. Twitter, I go for the zing. #editorchat

[20:53:52] wordful: Q1 Multiple voices, one persona. My blog is my most personal voice but other blogs are tailored. It’s still me, though #editorchat

[20:54:10] jennipps: @CrypticFragment See ya later. Glad you stopped in for a bit. #editorchat

[20:54:17] KarenLynch: I think using your own name forces you to “be you” instead of someone else. It’s YOUR reputation on the line. #editorchat

[20:54:28] bob_bobala: Talked to Zappos exec last week and he combines all – personal life with business life – on twitter. Makes it more interesting. #editorchat

[20:54:34] spencerspellman: I like to think there’s still that edgy, kind of humorous tone no matter what the platform or what the writing #editorchat

[20:54:49] standupkid: Q1 I don’t think your various voices can ever conflict without risking your brand. Complement, show different sides, stay YOU. #editorchat

[20:54:51] Single_Shot: @Willowbottom I love your frank/spunky self. I chose part of my beat/platform for my Twitter “persona”. #editorchat

[20:54:52] jimmcbee: @LydiaBreakfast I suspect it does for some. I kinda fell right into it. But I’m not in love w/ dry, ‘objective’ style. #editorchat

[20:54:56] shortformernie: I write in two voices all the time. Express is so much more serious than SFB is. You have to know when to silence your voice. #editorchat

[20:55:12] shortformernie: You also have to know when to lower your voice’s volume. #editorchat

[20:55:15] spencerspellman: @bob_bobala Great comment . I think that’s how it should be #editorchat

[20:55:16] milehighfool: @wordful Tough to pull off, right? Developing a voice is so difficult I want to use mine everywhere. #editorchat

[20:55:18] jennipps: @bob_bobala I agree. It does. Plus it eliminates any slip-ups by posting in the “wrong” place. #editorchat

[20:55:36] merylkevans: Q1: I consciously write to give the reader something of value, not write about something because it appeals to me. #editorchat

[20:55:40] maggiekb1: @wordful This is true for me as well I think. Same persona and style comes through everywhere, but to varying degrees. #editorchat

[20:55:42] UrbanMuseWriter: @milehighfool some pubs don’t allow much room for the writer’s personality, while others embrace it #editorchat

[20:55:47] milehighfool: RT @shortformernie: You also have to know when to lower your voice’s volume.(Good point.) #editorchat

[20:55:47] jimmcbee: I’ve learned that many readers appreciate when your pub has a distinct personality. #editorchat

[20:55:55] hinder: Q1: I write/edit for a diverse range of pubs that I don’t try to develop a specific platform. Want to be known as a great worker #editorchat

[20:56:01] spencerspellman: At #smstravel a few weeks ago @karasw mentioned that if heavy brand focused, she wants personality behind the voice #editorchat

[20:56:08] wordful: @milehighfool yes, but I guess I do it unconsciously. Writing is such a worthy craft. #editorchat

[20:56:23] BeckyDMBR: Q1: Blog voice definitely different from what I write as correspondent. #editorchat

[20:56:27] spencerspellman: She wants to know that the person behind the brand sometimes forgets to take out the kitty litter #editorchat

[20:56:34] gillespi: @KarenLynch agree with that. takes a lifetime to build reputation & one post to destroy it – using your own name ensures caution #editorchat

[20:56:37] milehighfool: @merylkevans Interesting. I’m the opposite. I find that if it appeals to me, I’m more likely to engage the reader. #editorchat

[20:56:41] Willowbottom: @Single_Shot Thank you – I like your beat persona. #editorchat

[20:56:44] shortformernie: You’re still the same guy whether you’re writing about Susan Boyle or writing about the Craigslist killer. Your voice changes. #editorchat

[20:56:48] Sascha_Zuger: @milehighfool My choice of user pic reflects my initial impetus in joining Twitter. Straight headshot on the NPR affiliate page. #editorchat

[20:56:59] bob_bobala: @hinder Agree with that. Be the best you can be, no matter what the platform or outlet you’re communicating on. #editorchat

[20:56:59] LydiaBreakfast: RT @wordful Writing is such a worthy craft. Amen! #editorchat

[20:57:11] hotspringer: A good editor will help to set tone, volume of voice before writing ever begins. #editorchat

[20:57:15] konadad: As long as you write passionately about a topic, your “persona” doesn’t really matter. #editorchat

[20:57:19] wordful: Online readers are certainly more open to hearing the writer’s personal voice. #editorchat

[20:57:23] Single_Shot: @Willowbottom I’m feeling like a beat persona tonight. ; ) #editorchat

[20:57:30] maggiekb1: I should note that I’m (vaguely) participating in #editorchat tonight. I try to keep posts down, but you may want to filter. Sorry for trbl

[20:57:31] Willowbottom: With regards to voices, I’d add that I maintain (“maintain” = loosely) four different blogs – similar style, different voices. #editorchat

[20:57:37] jennipps: RT @bob_bobala @hinder Agree with that. Be the best you can be, no matter what the platform or outlet you’re communicating on. #editorchat

[20:57:38] standupkid: Oh. Let me throw in an exception to my “be yourself” rule: Writing for a distinctive pub like the NY POST. Then, be THEM. #editorchat

[20:57:51] milehighfool: @Sascha_Zuger So, in writing, you’re truly schizophrenic. I suspect we all are, to a degree. #editorchat

[20:57:51] UrbanMuseWriter: RT @Willowbottom: @Single_Shot I like your beat persona. #editorchat <– me, too!

[20:57:52] SpecialDee: Q1 Most, but not all, of the assignments I give out are to be written in 3rd person. #editorchat

[20:58:03] spencerspellman: @milehighfool What do you think Q1. One voice across all writing and platforms? #editorchat

[20:58:04] jimmcbee: q1) It’s a dicey thing having personality as a writer. What worked for Hunter S. Thompson might not work for you. #editorchat

[20:58:15] shortformernie: @konadad Lies. Your voice is your most important part of the entire package. If you ignore it, you’ll drive off a cliff. #editorchat

[20:58:33] EilSmi: RT @bob_bobala: Talked to Zappos exec last week. He combines personal life with business life on twitter. More interesting. #editorchat

[20:58:34] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Yes, nuts might be a good way to describe it. #editorchat

[20:58:38] Willowbottom: Similar style in that I try for most punch in least words, bullet style, formatting; but different tone entirely. #editorchat

[20:58:45] BeckyDMBR: @UrbanMuseWriter Exactly. Sometimes it gets edited OUT. #editorchat

[20:58:52] Sascha_Zuger: @milehighfool I use the voice of whatever outlet I’m working with to tell the story in best manner for their readers. #editorchat

[20:58:56] shortformernie: @jimmcbee Nor should you steal Hunter S. Thompson’s personality. #editorchat

[20:59:03] anndouglas: @Willowbottom Yes. I think being able to springboard off of another comment instantly adds power and meaning to your reply. #editorchat

[20:59:03] milehighfool: @spencerspellman Honestly, I thik you have to give editors what they need. I’m tempted to use once voice but know I need range. #editorchat

[20:59:17] Willowbottom: @jimmcbee I think personality is the luxury of people who can afford to not care about what people may think. #editorchat

[20:59:23] UrbanMuseWriter: Took a feature writing course where the instructor discouraged use of 1st person POV. Called it a crutch. Not sure I agree #editorchat

[20:59:34] wordful: @shortformernie I agree, persona is what makes us real. Passion is merely incidental. #editorchat

[20:59:37] Dark_Faust: Sorry all – it’s been a while since I was last able to join the session. Where are the questions for this evening? Thx. #editorchat

[20:59:43] jimmcbee: q1) But I think we’ve killed many readers (in the news biz) by pretending not to have souls. #editorchat

[20:59:43] Willowbottom: @anndouglas agreed – and humor! #editorchat

[20:59:46] standupkid: @BeckyDMBR Anything truly original or funny…or the ONE THING that you like most? That will ALWAYS be edited out. It’s a RULE #editorchat

[20:59:59] bob_bobala: @milehighfool It’s a good question on voice. And it’s tied to your “writer brand.” #editorchat

[21:00:03] Willowbottom: @UrbanMuseWriter A crutch? I think it can lead to trimmer writing. #editorchat

[21:00:05] LydiaBreakfast: Depending on the publication, I can me as personal or as business-like as necessary to tell the story. #editorchat

[21:00:11] spencerspellman: @milehighfool Yeah I understand. I def have to be careful sometimes to stay within very strict boundaries for some pubs #editorchat

[21:00:15] timecommander: @milehighfool Writers won’t get anywhere unless they have a) an extremely solid voice or b) multiple voices. #editorchat

[21:00:21] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful Mmm … that depends. When I read an AP story? I don’t want snark. #editorchat

[21:00:26] milehighfool: @jimmcbee Very true. Isn’t there also a risk in not writing to your true self? #editorchat

[21:00:37] sooutdoors: Q1 Different persona may be necessary if you have mult distinct areas of expertise, but writing style doesn’t need to change. #editorchat

[21:00:40] jennipps: RT @wordful @shortformernie I agree, persona is what makes us real. Passion is merely incidental #editorchat

[21:00:46] lorilowe: @wordful I also use my most personal voice in my blog and book writing. For some corporate writing, definitely a different voice #editorchat

[21:00:48] Single_Shot: @standupkid Yes, I know that rule! I hate that rule! #editorchat

[21:00:54] SpecialDee: Q1 In poetry class we critique each other’s poems each week and 1 question always asked, “who is the speaker?” #editorchat

[21:01:09] LydiaBreakfast: @milehighfool Your true self can be lots of “people” #editorchat

[21:01:17] jimmcbee: @Willowbottom disagree. Though maybe it’s a luxury for people who don’t have to care what their editor thinks #editorchat

[21:01:19] mariaelenaduron: Jumping on late but happy 2 b on the chat! #editorchat

[21:01:26] KarenLynch: Re: Q1 and voice: I think writing on assignment is one thing and writing for your own site/blog is another. #editorchat

[21:01:36] BeckyDMBR: @jimmcbee Yeah, it didn’t always work for The Good Doctor either. #editorchat

[21:01:40] jennipps: Ditto! RT @LydiaBreakfast Depending on the publication, I can me as personal or as business-like as necessary to tell the story. #editorchat

[21:01:51] merylkevans: @LydiaBreakfast Agreed — in both styles (business and personal), I still want to make sure I give the reader something. #editorchat

[21:01:55] UrbanMuseWriter: @Willowbottom 1st person is easy, but it’s harder to make the reader feel like they’re there (w/out using “you”) #editorchat

[21:01:58] Willowbottom: So one question for the community : how do you react if what an editor doesn’t like *is* your voice? #editorchat

[21:02:06] milehighfool: @sooutdoors Good point. A related Q: Do editors actively seek range in evaluating writing samples? #editorchat

[21:02:12] hotspringer: Voice is like the difference in how you speak to your spouse but maybe not to your mother. It can be controlled. #editorchat

[21:02:22] UrbanMuseWriter: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Depending on the publication, I can me as personal or as business-like as necessary to tell the story. #editorchat Amen!

[21:02:23] jimmcbee: @milehighfool And yet it’s easy to come off as amateurish or churlish or what-have-you. I don’t claim to have mastered it. #editorchat

[21:02:32] wordful: @BeckyDMBR Yes, you’re right. I tend to exclude journalists and copywriters when I talk about writing online. #editorchat

[21:02:43] Willowbottom: @LydiaBreakfast That’s what Sybil said… #editorchat

[21:02:53] standupkid: @Single_Shot I wrote a story about Facebook for the Post…edited by a great, smart, but not “hip” editor. Need I say more? #editorchat

[21:02:59] shortformernie: I just want to note to you guys: It helps that I suffer from multiple personality disorder. It helps my writing. #editorchat

[21:03:01] hinder: I think personality should come out fully in a blog. Legit articles need to have less you. Still voice is key to any article #editorchat

[21:03:09] Willowbottom: @jimmcbee aHAH! Touche, my good man! #editorchat

[21:03:13] bob_bobala: @SpecialDee It’s funny. In fiction you always talk about a writer’s voice, but I want to talk about my character’s voice. #editorchat

[21:03:22] shortformernie: @Willowbottom You beat your editor up, duh! #editorchat

[21:03:31] jennipps: @KarenLynch RIght. For the new gig I have, I’m reading over their site to get a feeling for their tone vs mine so to do better. #editorchat

[21:03:33] spencerspellman: Q1 I think you should have a voice, but that voice should have the versatility to change in different situations #editorchat

[21:03:34] milehighfool: @Willowbottom Then you’re screwed. #editorchat

[21:03:38] LydiaBreakfast: Q2 authors: have your editors and publishing companies ask that you “brand yourself” by blogging, twittering, or using other SM #editorchat

[21:03:57] standupkid: @UrbanMuseWriter Also true in television. If you are CAREFUL about protecting your brand, you can be versatile, unique… #editorchat

[21:04:07] jennipps: @milehighfool Depends on area. I had one ask for a health article, which I didn’t have in my samples, so I think sometimes yes. #editorchat

[21:04:12] spencerspellman: Your voice in National Geographic by nature I think will have to be different then say for a technology blog #editorchat

[21:04:19] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast Excellent point re true self being lots of “people”! #editorchat

[21:04:26] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Regarding range, yes, if you need someone who can do a lot of different things. #editorchat

[21:04:28] KarenLynch: @Willowbottom If you study the publication closely enough, you can likely align your voice with the pubs, and avoid that problem #editorchat

[21:04:29] Willowbottom: @milehighfool crud. #editorchat

[21:04:34] milehighfool: @Willowbottom Well, okay, maybe not. You can’t really know till you talk with the editor live. Email won’t tell you. #editorchat

[21:04:49] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Less so if you have a very specific job to do and the writer can do it — range or no range. #editorchat

[21:04:53] standupkid: @bob_bobala Fiction! SO easy…all you do is write down what the characters do and say, right? Geez. #editorchat

[21:04:55] spencerspellman: RT @LydiaBreakfast Q2 authors: have your editors and publishing companies ask that you “brand yourself” by blogging, twittering, #editorchat

[21:04:58] jimmcbee: @Willowbottom If it was something you really loved doing, they wouldn’t have to pay you, would they? Suck it up, soldier! #editorchat

[21:05:04] wordful: Q2: I’m my own editor and publishing company! So, absolutely yes to the question! #editorchat

[21:05:15] timecommander: @standupkid That’s the key to it all. If you’re not careful, your material is no longer yours. #editorchat

[21:05:15] jennipps: Q2 – I was blogging before I got published. No one suggested I join Twitter. #editorchat

[21:05:16] Willowbottom: @LydiaBreakfast I have been told that I am too diverse in my interests and to focus on one area. Too bad…not my style. #editorchat

[21:05:29] gillespi: @LydiaBreakfast nup – in fact Penguin couldn’t be more indifferent – possibly an Australian thing? #editorchat

[21:05:40] Single_Shot: @Willowbottom Find a new editor, maybe? Or pitch/write in voice they like or that’s better suited to the publication. #editorchat

[21:05:44] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q2 authors: have your editors and publishing companies ask that you “brand yourself” via SM #editorchat

[21:05:44] UrbanMuseWriter: @jennipps good call, I always compare the published article to what I submitted so I can nail the nuances of the voice next time #editorchat

[21:05:45] Willowbottom: @jimmcbee True enough – I guess s/he who pays gets to say what stays! #editorchat

[21:05:48] MissADS08: @LydiaBreakfast Not the people that I know who are writing books, but it sounds like a good idea to me! #editorchat

[21:05:58] merylkevans: Q2: I choose to be a one-person business, so it’s a must for me — if I want to stay busy and get paid for it. #editorchat

[21:06:17] LydiaBreakfast: @gillespi nope just specific to that publisher #editorchat

[21:06:45] Sascha_Zuger: @LydiaBreakfast HarperStudio had an Authors’ Breakfast for us to discuss social media and its benefits and importance. #editorchat

[21:06:48] Single_Shot: @standupkid Sounds almost tragically funny. I’ll go look it up & u can email me the jokes/asides that were stripped out. Deal? #editorchat

[21:06:50] jennipps: @UrbanMuseWriter I figure it’s the best way to get repeat assignments. lol #editorchat

[21:06:53] BeckyDMBR: @KarenLynch I agree. #editorchat

[21:06:53] JMegonigal: Q2 It definitely helps an editor to have writers who market themselves as their own brands #editorchat

[21:07:09] jimmcbee: @LydiaBreakfast q2) They’re not that advanced re: social media. #editorchat

[21:07:14] xybrewer: #editorchat Q2 Yes. Is it a good thing or a bad thing? I feel really boxed in.

[21:07:15] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast Q2: I think it’s necessary that I brand myself as the “13 yr old blogger” because it makes me diverse. #editorchat

[21:07:20] stephauteri: is popping in late! Freelance writer: Sex, relationships, and the freelance life. #editorchat

[21:07:24] LydiaBreakfast: @Sascha_Zuger and what did you learn? #editorchat

[21:07:31] wordful: Q2: The editors I’ve worked for have not asked me to do social media branding. They’re too old-school. #editorchat

[21:07:31] JDEbberly: RT @JMegonigal: Q2 It definitely helps an editor to have writers who market themselves as their own brands #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:07:38] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal #editorchat

[21:07:39] milehighfool: RT @Sascha_Zuger: @LydiaBreakfast HarperStudio had an Authors’ Breakfast for us to discuss social media. (A rarity?) #editorchat

[21:07:56] Willowbottom: Am I alone in finding “brand” near synonymous with “pigeonhole”? How could I change my perspective? #editorchat

[21:08:04] LydiaBreakfast: @timecommander It also makes you stand out #editorchat

[21:08:32] wetzeledit: I think publishers want authors with platform/brand but would not specifically push social media (yet) #editorchat

[21:08:34] milehighfool: Related Q2: Edtiros, do you want your writers engaged in social media? Do you support it? #editorchat

[21:08:36] spencerspellman: RT @JMegonigal Q2 It definitely helps an editor to have writers who market themselves as their own brands #editorchat

[21:08:43] UrbanMuseWriter: @stephauteri welcome, Steph! #editorchat

[21:08:46] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast No. I’ve been the one driving the online publicity/marketing activities; taking courses to learn more; etc. #editorchat

[21:08:47] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast Q2: I think branding/marketing/plugging yourself is a given in book publishing now. #editorchat

[21:09:00] LydiaBreakfast: @Willowbottom not necessarily. If you are branded reliable, that is a pretty good hole to be pigeoned in, no? #editorchat

[21:09:05] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast As an editor, it’s a pride thing to be able to “claim” well-known brands (writers) as part of your pub. #editorchat

[21:09:07] milehighfool: @Willowbottom Maybe. But isn’t having a niche key to getting published? #editorchat

[21:09:13] shortformernie: I’ve never been asked to “brand myself,” mainly because I’m not really worthy of it. So I just do it. #editorchat

[21:09:17] jimmcbee: q2) have tried to get employers to radically rethink our policy newsletters into a web 2.0 function. No dice. #editorchat

[21:09:21] wordful: @Willowbottom You’ll need brand to rise above the noise and mediocrity on the web. #editorchat

[21:09:32] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful I’ve noticed, tho, that many traditional media outlets try on the snark, and it really doesn’t work. #editorchat

[21:09:35] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @Willowbottom not necessarily. If you are branded reliable, that is a pretty good hole to be pigeoned in. #editorchat

[21:09:38] shortformernie: Plus, branding yourself is painful. Have you seen how hot they make those cattle prods? #editorchat

[21:09:41] merylkevans: I don’t use my deafness in my brand, but I make comments around it 2b more memorable. Teachers knew me so I couldn’t cut class. #editorchat

[21:09:45] jennipps: @milehighfool And to getting known before & after publication. #editorchat

[21:09:47] wetzeledit: It has to be done well. I know authors who start new websites & blogs for each book but never put content on them. #editorchat

[21:09:49] Willowbottom: @milehighfool Indeed – I suppose “Jill of all trades” is hardly a successful way to be, however fun. #editorchat

[21:09:58] booksandcorsets: I think many current editors don’t yet grasp the social networking possibilities. There are those who do, however. #editorchat

[21:10:02] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast That’s what I’m going for. By the time I’m older, hopefully, I’ll already be noticed in the blogosphere. #editorchat

[21:10:02] jimmcbee: @shortformernie ‘What do you do when you’re branded … and you know you’re a man?’ #editorchat

[21:10:13] stephauteri: @Willowbottom: Perhaps it would help to reconsider “brand” as “platform”? #editorchat

[21:10:23] thebrandbuilder: @xybrewer @LydiaBreakfast Do writers typically have portfolios on the web? (Pubs they’ve written for, articles, etc.) #editorchat

[21:10:33] RBLevin: Editors, would you like or dislike non-conversational pitches inserted into your #editorchat?

[21:10:35] milehighfool: @Willowbottom Snarktastic twitterer of obscure and wonderful things, on the other hand … #editorchat

[21:10:41] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Q2 Lots of publishing is still old school. I find younger editors embrace these new avenues to promote “brand”#editorchat

[21:10:46] kristoforlawson: oooo… don’t tell me i’m missing an #editorchat

[21:10:49] wordful: @BeckyDMBR True, that’s because they’re traditional. They only have a footing in certain old-established niches. #editorchat

[21:10:50] shortformernie: @jimmcbee Well played, sir. #editorchat

[21:10:52] LydiaBreakfast: RT @jmegonigal As an editor, it’s a pride thing to be able to “claim” well-known brands (writers) as part of your pub. #editorchat

[21:11:04] milehighfool: RT @stephauteri: @Willowbottom: Perhaps it would help to reconsider “brand” as “platform”? (Or portfolio.) #editorchat

[21:11:07] jennipps: Definitely agree. RT @stephauteri @Willowbottom: Perhaps it would help to reconsider “brand” as “platform”? #editorchat

[21:11:12] JMegonigal: @thebrandbuilder No, not typically, but they SHOULD. #editorchat

[21:11:18] merylkevans: @thebrandbuilder Some do. Some don’t. I used to, but couldn’t keep up. My bio lists some pubs. I plan to put up portfolio page. #editorchat

[21:11:29] anndouglas: @milehighfool I think so. Most info sharing between authors is facilitated by author orgs or happens informally. #editorchat

[21:11:30] RBLevin: Topic came up today in a meeting. I maintain it’s intrusive and journalists would find it annoying. #editorchat

[21:11:38] JDEbberly: @kristoforlawson Still plenty of time left for you to enjoy Editorchat, KL! #Editorchat

[21:11:41] RBLevin: Curious as to how others think. #editorchat

[21:11:48] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast No. My editor is not on Twitter or FB, doesn’t blog. #editorchat

[21:12:02] booksquare: for those who weren’t aware, #editorchat is going on right now. here’s the search stream: http://snurl.com/ghsnf

[21:12:04] RBLevin: @thebrandbuilder I think you HAVE to. #editorchat

[21:12:06] milehighfool: @RBLevin Hey Rich. What do you mean? #editorchat

[21:12:13] Willowbottom: @milehighfool yah but it’s hard to publish snarktastic-or sustain for prolonged periods unless there’s a lot of ire behind it! #editorchat

[21:12:15] shortformernie: Branding yourself is as much your persona as your sloganeering. If people think of you as “that guy,” that’s killer branding. #editorchat

[21:12:31] spencerspellman: Editors have encouraged it to me, but have not wanted to be married to it, maybe in case it backfires? #editorchat

[21:12:43] lorilowe: @jennipps Great point. All my platform writing is in same voice. Freelance voice varies with project/client. #editorchat

[21:12:44] jimmcbee: @RBLevin that’s what #journchat is for. Cross of pr and editorial folks. #editorchat

[21:12:53] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful Well, and if you think about it, there’s only so much snark one can use to report on, oh, serial murder. #editorchat

[21:13:02] Single_Shot: @Willowbottom I’m hoping a person’s ‘brand’ can shift over time. Book 1 brand-quirky food history; book 2-quirky wit period. #editorchat

[21:13:31] shortformernie: Which is why I’m going to start calling myself “the 13 year old blogger,” like @timecommander even though I’m almost 28 #editorchat

[21:13:33] hinder: I’m working the website for a new teen pub and even those editors don’t get the importance of utilizing social media It’s a prob #editorchat

[21:13:35] standupkid: @Single_Shot That’s a deal. Sigh. #editorchat

[21:13:36] BeckyDMBR: @KarenLynch That and ASK editors what they expect regarding voice / persona. #editorchat

[21:13:37] RBLevin: @milehighfool Hashtagged conversations where people butt in and post a pitch or an ad using the tag. #editorchat

[21:13:38] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee Thanks Jim, you took the words… #editorchat

[21:13:47] wordful: @BeckyDMBR Yeah, and corporate greed. #editorchat

[21:13:47] merylkevans: @milehighfool That’s true, too. My kids interest me, but it won’t interest readers unless it’s a story with a topic of interest. #editorchat

[21:13:58] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Sure it can. Like Lydia says. Reliable = brand that goes with you wherever. #editorchat

[21:14:13] kristoforlawson: what are we talking about today? #editorchat

[21:14:14] RBLevin: @jimmcbee So you would find it intrusive if flacks pitched in #editorchat? I feel most would and it should be avoided.

[21:14:27] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans it’s a fine line to walk talking about your personal stuff in the context of an article #editorchat

[21:15:09] milehighfool: @RBLevin We don’t allow it. Pitching is for #journchat. #editorchat

[21:15:12] spencerspellman: I think reliability and understanding of Social Media is key, if not then it could be bad for both the writer and editor #editorchat

[21:15:35] jimmcbee: @RBLevin bingo … I think @LydiaBreakfast, @milehighfool want us to stay on point. #editorchat

[21:15:36] LydiaBreakfast: @RBLevin we state clearly in our guidelines that this chat is a tool for writers and editors to work together, not pitch stories #editorchat

[21:15:40] anndouglas: The PR people associated with my book division aren’t on Twitter yet. Other parts of huge pub co are. #editorchat

[21:15:49] hotspringer: I’ve said this before re: online brand. Your behavior becomes your avatar. #editorchat

[21:16:03] Willowbottom: @Single_Shot I have a friend who did that – first book memoir, second contemporary/historical romance #editorchat

[21:16:04] wetzeledit: @spencerspellman Agree, sometimes perhaps a bad online presence is no better than none – maybe worse in some cases. #editorchat

[21:16:12] timecommander: @shortformernie The only thing I can promise by that is a ton of attention (and many 55 year old moms getting mad at you) #editorchat

[21:16:18] milehighfool: @merylkevans Touche. Regardless, I think if you don’t get juiced by the topic, it’ll be difficult to write. #editorchat

[21:16:22] RBLevin: @milehighfool I am speaking more broadly, beyond #editorchat. If people are hashchatting, is it rude to pitch?

[21:16:28] spencerspellman: RT @hotspringer I’ve said this before re: online brand. Your behavior becomes your avatar. #editorchat

[21:16:28] kristoforlawson: @spencerspellman – true! It is important to understand what social media is, it is hugely important in todays market #editorchat

[21:16:29] wordful: RT @hotspringer I’ve said this before re: online brand. Your behavior becomes your avatar. Well said. #editorchat

[21:16:31] KB_Alan: RT @booksquare: for those who weren’t aware, #editorchat is going on right now.

[21:16:34] Single_Shot: @Willowbottom That’s a large leap. Did it work for her okay? #editorchat

[21:16:42] RBLevin: @milehighfool Also, you can’t really stop it, can you? #editorchat

[21:16:43] shortformernie: @hotspringer That’s the point I was trying to make! *high five* #editorchat

[21:16:43] jennipps: @hotspringer I’ve seen both good and bad examples of that to prove the point. ANd when they;’re bad, YIKES! #editorchat

[21:16:53] milehighfool: RT @hotspringer: I’ve said this before re: online brand. Your behavior becomes your avatar. (Agreed.) #editorchat

[21:16:55] spencerspellman: @wetzeledit Yeah I would say that it’s usually worse #editorchat

[21:17:09] merylkevans: @milehighfool Definitely. I struggle the most with articles with a topic that doesn’t grip me as much. #editorchat

[21:17:15] JDEbberly: RT @hotspringer I’ve said this before re: online brand. Your behavior becomes your avatar. #Editorchat

[21:17:25] jimmcbee: My online ‘brand’ must be all over the place, as my interests and attitudes vary a lot. #editorchat

[21:17:25] LydiaBreakfast: Q2 again, writers, are your publishers asking you to brand yourself using SM, or do you already do that? #editorchat

[21:17:37] milehighfool: @RBLevin No question. Why wouldn’t it be? #editorchat

[21:17:40] Willowbottom: @Single_Shot I think so – her first book sold well, her second just got accepted and I believe is out next year. #editorchat

[21:17:53] shortformernie: @timecommander Why do the 55-year-old moms get mad at you? #editorchat

[21:17:54] spencerspellman: @hotspringer Excellent comment about your behavior, totally agree. #editorchat

[21:18:02] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee there is that multiple personality thing again #editorchat

[21:18:11] stephauteri: @jimmcbee: I’m with you. I have a tough time coming up with a nice and neat elevator pitch for myself. #editorchat

[21:18:26] stephauteri: @jimmcbee: Then again, it’s nice being the go-to person for SOMEthing. #editorchat

[21:18:36] hinder: Changing your niche/diversifying is possible. I covered real estate for years and slowly fought to break out through small gigs. #editorchat

[21:18:40] kristoforlawson: I think SM should be an automatic response to the current market, you shouldn’t need to be asked if you are good at your job #editorchat

[21:18:45] milehighfool: @RBLevin No, but you can ignore it. You’ve been a journalist, Rich. What about your online ID? Differ by the medium? #editorchat

[21:19:08] BeckyDMBR: What does that mean exactly … your brand as a writer? #editorchat

[21:19:11] JDEbberly: Q2: I use SM to brand myself, have been for some time. #Editorchat

[21:19:20] jimmcbee: @LydiaBreakfast Hey, that’s Ernie’s brand. Color me ADHD. #editorchat

[21:19:22] PR_Student: What’s an elevator pitch #editorchat

[21:19:26] RBLevin: @milehighfool That was the answer, pro or con, that I was after. #editorchat

[21:19:50] mammaloves: @BeckyDMBR Are you part of discussion right now? #editorchat??

[21:19:51] Single_Shot: Q2: Never had anyone ASK me 2 do social media. But it makes editors/agents light up when you tell them you do. #editorchat

[21:19:52] timecommander: @shortformernie A thirteen year old kid shouldn’t be on Twitter, apparently. #editorchat

[21:20:04] jennipps: @spencerspellman See ya, Spencer. Glad you could stay even for a bit. #editorchat

[21:20:04] LydiaBreakfast: RT @kristoforlawson I think SM should be automatic response to the current market (agreed) #editorchat

[21:20:05] milehighfool: Flip side of the brand question: Not sure it has a financial impact. Look at the NYT. Plenty of their writers have great brands. #editorchat

[21:20:09] UrbanMuseWriter: @PR_Student it’s a short, succinct way of saying what you do #editorchat

[21:20:10] RBLevin: @milehighfool Not sure what you mean? I use one ID for hacking and flacking, since I’m always me. #editorchat

[21:20:15] kristoforlawson: @PR_Student – an elevator pitch is a short pitch which you would give someone in the time it takes to ride an elevator #editorchat

[21:20:22] Sascha_Zuger: @milehighfool Sorry — got bumped. Yes, it’s not often authors are brought together and I believe nearly everyone attended. #editorchat

[21:20:32] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Oooooo. Who are these editors? Names please #editorchat

[21:20:38] jimmcbee: @stephauteri Have no interest in being well-known. However, I could see value in branding for Smartnews purposes. #editorchat

[21:20:38] UrbanMuseWriter: @PR_Student if you’re on the elevator with a CEO, you have until he gots off at the top floor to wow him. What will you say? #editorchat

[21:20:39] wordful: @PR_Student a quick description that neatly sums up what you do. Something you could tell someone while taking an elevator. #editorchat

[21:20:41] LydiaBreakfast: @PR_Student describing yourself and your biz concisely as in, the time it takes to ride the elevator #editorchat

[21:20:44] Matt_scherer: @PR_student, it’s the twitter version of selling yourself. Toastmasters teaches you how to do it very effectively #editorchat

[21:20:48] jennipps: RT @Single_Shot Q2: Never had anyone ASK me 2 do social media. But it makes editors/agents light up when you tell them you do. #editorchat

[21:20:49] stephauteri: @PR_Student: http://liltext.com/dja It’s like a brief means of explaining all that it is you do and have to offer. #editorchat

[21:20:55] KarenLynch: Re Q2: I’m not a published author (yet) but included SM in book proposal I recently submitted to a publisher. Thought it prudent #editorchat

[21:21:03] RBLevin: @milehighfool I’m not asking if I can pitch here. I’m surveying to settle a debate. I maintain it *is* rude. #editorchat

[21:21:10] SpecialDee: A speaker has a voice. The voice has a tone. The tone creates the brand. #editorchat

[21:21:21] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @PR_Student describing yourself and your biz concisely as in, the time it takes to ride the elevator #editorchat #Ed …

[21:21:27] jennipps: SM involvement might be something to include when I meet with an editor or agent at a conference next weekend… #editorchat

[21:21:30] JDEbberly: RT @SpecialDee: A speaker has a voice. The voice has a tone. The tone creates the brand. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:21:30] hotspringer: Q2: My golf-addict husband tries new drivers, putters to improve his game. As a freelance journo, I do SM to stay IN the game. #editorchat

[21:21:34] hinder: Q2: I ‘social media’ for 2 of my freelance gigs. It wasn’t editor requested, but building a brand for both was a must. #editorchat

[21:21:35] wetzeledit: RT Single_Shot Q2: Never had anyone ASK me 2 do social media. But it makes editors/agents light up when you tell them you do #editorchat

[21:21:48] wordful: Wow, we all jumped on that elevator pitch question, huh? #editorchat

[21:21:53] anndouglas: @hinder Agree. Mainly known for writing about pregnancy/parenting, but have been writing about motherhood, politics lately. #editorchat

[21:21:55] Single_Shot: @Willowbottom That’s great. As a writer w/multiple interests/voices (fiction, nonfiction, humor, etc), it’s hard 2 narrow focus. #editorchat

[21:22:03] kristoforlawson: @milehighfool – but are the writers branded on what they have already done as a writer? #editorchat

[21:22:04] wordful: What is the reference to SM? #editorchat

[21:22:09] merylkevans: Q2: SM is today what web pages was in 1995. Few do it at first, but essential later. Most have an idea how to set up web page. #editorchat

[21:22:18] LydiaBreakfast: @wordful that is the spirit of this thing – helpful #editorchat

[21:22:30] KarenLynch: @wordful Social Media = SM #editorchat

[21:22:38] spencerspellman: @hinder I agree it helps out you and the editor or at least that’s how it should help. #editorchat

[21:22:44] AlbrightDC: RT @kristoforlawson I think SM should be an automatic response to the current market, you shouldn’t need to be asked #editorchat

[21:22:46] JMegonigal: Ack! 11% juice and no charger tonight. Fun #editorchat while it lasted. Sorry to run, ‘night all!

[21:22:56] wordful: @KarenLynch right, now I feel dumb! #editorchat

[21:23:11] milehighfool: Also, if all querying is selling, shouldn’t you have a verifiable brand to pitch? Social media can help, I think. #editorchat

[21:23:16] spencerspellman: @hinder Promote and connect you , while promoting and connecting the editor/publication #editorchat

[21:23:30] Willowbottom: @merylkevans and the barriers to entry SM are less and less every time there’s an innovation. #editorchat

[21:23:42] Single_Shot: @milehighfool I may be thinking more of book editors. But my beat editors LOVE it when I’m picked up by media. SM 2, no doubt. #editorchat

[21:23:43] spencerspellman: Gotta run now. Thanks. I enjoyed it all. #editorchat

[21:23:59] shortformernie: @timecommander To those moms I say, “You’re crazy.” You’re an innovator, not a bad kid. #editorchat

[21:24:04] timecommander: @wordful Ha, it took me a second to get it as well, Charles. But being thirteen gives me an excuse! #editorchat

[21:24:12] kristoforlawson: RT @merylkevans: Q2: SM is today what web pages was in 1995. Few do it at first #editorchat

[21:24:20] milehighfool: @kristoforlawson Yes, and that, increasingly, incliudes blogs and social media. #editorchat

[21:24:22] stephauteri: RT @milehighfool: Also, if all querying is selling, shouldn’t you have a verifiable brand to pitch? #editorchat

[21:24:42] merylkevans: @Willowbottom Exactly. What seems geeky to some now will work like using Word later. It gets easier for all to use. #editorchat

[21:24:47] shortformernie: @KarenLynch I’m so happy the name isn’t “Social and Media.” Then @timecommander would have to leave the room. #editorchat

[21:24:47] wordful: @timecommander actually less of an excuse since you are 13! #editorchat

[21:24:48] Single_Shot: @KarenLynch Smart cookie re SM in book proposal! #editorchat

[21:24:49] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Pitching is selling, but I don’t think that SM verifies your “brand”… #editorchat

[21:24:55] stephauteri: @milehighfool: I agree. And when your brand stretches across multiple platforms, it’s also a good indicator of your versatility. #editorchat

[21:24:58] justicefergie: @mammaloves what’s the #editorchat discussion about?

[21:25:05] jimmcbee: I hate selling. Even when I believe in the product. #editorchat

[21:25:07] obilon: Jumping in here for a bit. Anyone got a link to the “rules”? #editorchat

[21:25:09] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Same here. I was interviewed by the NYT last year for an iPhone story — great pub for the Fool. #editorchat

[21:25:15] timecommander: @wordful HAHA! True indeed! #editorchat

[21:25:28] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Brand is highly misunderstood – mistaken for advertising/notoriety… #editorchat

[21:25:52] ErikSherman: @milehighfool When it’s the encapsulation of doing business with a person/company. #editorchat

[21:25:53] LydiaBreakfast: @obilon all info on editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:25:56] milehighfool: @ErikSherman You don’t think your network is part of your brand as a writer? Who you know? Who you’ve done biz with? #editorchat

[21:26:08] timecommander: @shortformernie They say it’s dangerous and I do agree with them to an extent, but they completely blow it out of proportion. #editorchat

[21:26:12] Single_Shot: @KarenLynch SM is social media. I thought we were talking about sadism & masochism? ; ) #editorchat

[21:26:14] kristoforlawson: shouldn’t your work ultimately brand you, and SM is just a tool for you to connect with your audience #editorchat

[21:26:14] wordful: RT @stephauteri when your brand stretches across multiple platforms, it’s also a good indicator of your versatility. [Awesome!] #editorchat

[21:26:22] DougLance: Where are the writers editing each others work? #editorchat

[21:26:25] stephauteri: @jimmcbee: Ha! I feel as if selling myself is the toughest thing of all. It denotes a high level of belief in your worth. #editorchat

[21:26:37] DougLance: Where are the writers editing each others work on twitter? #editorchat

[21:27:30] shortformernie: BTW, to everyone adding me at @shortformernie, be sure to add @shortformblog too. I use this mostly for Tweet chats. #editorchat

[21:27:47] LydiaBreakfast: @stephauteri It is a struggle for a lot of freelancers, I think. #editorchat

[21:27:54] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Important point. But I also think it depends on the editor. Writing online principally, SM is important to my eds. #editorchat

[21:27:58] Single_Shot: @milehighfool I bet they LOVED you after the NYT interview! #editorchat

[21:28:01] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Certainly who you’ve done business with counts, but that goes to experience. #editorchat

[21:28:07] hotspringer: RT @stephauteri when your brand stretches across multiple platforms, it’s also a good indicator of your versatility. [Awesome!] #editorchat

[21:28:34] merylkevans: “If I am not for myself, who will be for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?” SM makes it possible #editorchat

[21:28:38] ErikSherman: @milehighfool But it’s much more than a list. I know people with good-sounding credits that I’d never hire. #editorchat

[21:28:40] jimmcbee: @stephauteri C’mon, you write for nerve. If that don’t give you the aura of cool, I dunno how to help ya. #editorchat

[21:28:46] stephauteri: @LydiaBreakfast: True. It ties in with the difficulty of setting rates, as well. But that’s a whole other convo… #editorchat

[21:28:52] timecommander: @shortformernie …and following. #editorchat

[21:29:05] KarenLynch: @Single_Shot Oh, what a difference an ampersand makes #editorchat

[21:29:05] bacigalupe: an aside, coming late today, great link with 20 books for the freelancer http://tinyurl.com/cdv3v9 suggested by @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat

[21:29:11] SpecialDee: When you blog a combination of personal and business posts, who owns them, you or your boss? #editorchat

[21:29:16] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot No, that’s S-*AND*-M. #editorchat

[21:29:19] anti9to5guide: Hey all, popping in late while on a deadline. Michelle Goodman, freelance writer/author who needs a vacation. #editorchat

[21:29:19] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman which is why it is important to develop a voice and a following #editorchat

[21:29:20] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Yes. Who you know doesn’t count? Who has commented on your work via SM, for example? #editorchat

[21:29:21] stephauteri: @jimmcbee: aaahaha. Touche. #editorchat

[21:29:25] obilon: What question are we at or is it open to discuss all of them? #editorchat

[21:29:30] Sascha_Zuger: @LydiaBreakfast (sorry, bumped) Inspiring meeting – http://tinyurl.com/dj55dc #editorchat

[21:29:32] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast I fought the blog and the blog won. #editorchat

[21:29:48] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Ultimately, the editor wants to know that you can communicate a story in the format in question. #editorchat

[21:29:56] milehighfool: @ErikSherman More precisely, I’ve never been published in BusinessWeek but editors there have tweeted my articles. #editorchat

[21:30:08] kristoforlawson: @SpecialDee – depends on your contract… but I would say you should own everything you write, but licence it to your work #editorchat

[21:30:18] anti9to5guide: @Single_Shot Ain’t that the truth (re your blog). It’s great though. #editorchat

[21:30:19] Single_Shot: @BeckyDMBR @KarenLynch Details, details! #editorchat

[21:30:19] milehighfool: @ErikSherman No doubt. That’s the bottom line. #editorchat

[21:30:20] ErikSherman: @milehighfool So, for example, a book editor won’t automatically go for a magazine writer who has never actually done a book. #editorchat

[21:30:23] jennipps: RT @ErikSherman @milehighfool Ultimately, the editor wants to know that you can communicate a story in the format in question. #editorchat

[21:30:27] BeckyDMBR: @KarenLynch The little symbol with the big name. #editorchat

[21:30:44] jimmcbee: @stephauteri will have to dig into yr blog to see how you reconcile writing for nerve w/ being self-described ‘recluse’ #editorchat

[21:30:49] LydiaBreakfast: @obilon Q2 again, writers, are your publishers asking you to brand yourself using SM, or do you already do that? #editorchat

[21:30:59] BeckyDMBR: @SpecialDee Depends on how the contract’s written. #editorchat

[21:31:03] Willowbottom: @milehighfool Isn’t that 2 degrees from being published in BusinessWeek though? So close, so close… #editorchat

[21:31:05] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman which is why it is important to develop a voice and a following #editorchat

[21:31:08] stephauteri: RT @ErikSherman @milehighfool Ultimately, the editor wants to know that you can communicate a story in the format in question. #editorchat

[21:31:17] gmarkham: @SpecialDee If you’re doing it as part of your job, the company owns them. #editorchat

[21:31:19] obilon: @LydiaBreakfast Thank you again. #editorchat

[21:31:25] anndouglas: @SpecialDee The contract should specify rights. www.asja.org and other writers’ orgs have good rights info. #editorchat

[21:31:40] stephauteri: @jimmcbee: ::sigh:: An incredibly conflicted life. #editorchat

[21:31:46] ErikSherman: @milehighfool For editors I know, “who you know” means sources, not necessarily others commenting on work … #editorchat

[21:31:47] JDEbberly: RT @ErikSherman @milehighfool Ultimately, the editor wants to know that you can communicate a story in the format in question. #Editorchat

[21:31:50] milehighfool: @Willowbottom I know. Such teases, they are #editorchat

[21:31:53] anti9to5guide: Q2: My book publisher asks me to SM like crazy. Not sure my other editors have time to ponder it. #editorchat

[21:32:13] ErikSherman: @milehighfool And for online work, one real interest is whether you can create traffice… #editorchat

[21:32:16] merylkevans: @LydiaBreakfast Q2: Doing it myself. I’m a lone freelancer and fully booked. I think SM makes a big difference in my biz. #editorchat

[21:32:20] stephauteri: Q2: My editors haven’t asked me to brand myself, but I have offered to help them move into SM. #editorchat

[21:32:25] ErikSherman: @milehighfool or traffic without a final e. <s> #editorchat

[21:32:33] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast Already do it. See my personal brand as being separate from my book brand. #editorchat

[21:32:34] rachelcw: oh bummer, I keep coming home too late for #editorchat

[21:32:35] anti9to5guide: Q2: I’ve also had people interview me re freelancing who ask me to SM the heck out of the Q&A. #editorchat

[21:32:44] jimmcbee: @stephauteri oh well, no conflict, no dramatic tension. No drama, no story. #editorchat

[21:32:45] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman I don’t think that is a hard and fast rule, look at @dooce, blogger got a book deal because of her style #editorchat

[21:32:59] bacigalupe: @LydiaBreakfast well, I should do less SM to get more written #editorchat

[21:33:04] ErikSherman: @milehighfool They may have, but then they’re reacting not to your presence on SM, but to your writing #editorchat

[21:33:13] hotspringer: Welcome, @rachelcw. #editorchat

[21:33:13] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Yep. I mean that, too. But a successful query of mine included that BW reference. #editorchat

[21:33:21] anti9to5guide: @anndouglas That’s interesting re your two brands. Can you elaborate on waht they are? #editorchat

[21:33:27] LydiaBreakfast: @bacigalupe that is the challenge my friend #editorchat

[21:33:32] SpecialDee: @anndouglas Thanks. I ask because some blogs have advertising, so who makes the $, you or your boss? Will check www.asja.org #editorchat

[21:33:38] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Actually, not necessarily the bottom line, because it has to be the right kind of traffic. #editorchat

[21:33:43] Willowbottom: @rachelcw My strategy is to just not leave the office. #editorchat

[21:33:43] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast And her audience. #editorchat

[21:33:44] Sascha_Zuger: @LydiaBreakfast Penguin had me set up a blog under my pen name & included pseudonym email address on jacket to connect w/readers #editorchat

[21:34:09] Dark_Faust: Q2: Still a lot of journos in the technology trade professions that see most SM as a waste of time. #editorchat

[21:34:33] anndouglas: @Sascha_Zuger There’s always that…. #editorchat

[21:34:52] DougLance: What is SM? #editorchat

[21:35:02] bob_bobala: @Dark_Faust Oh yes, they rebel against it. Don’t see the big picture. #editorchat

[21:35:14] jimmcbee: @Dark_Faust Sure can be. I spose if you’re disciplined, you use it to cultivate sources, not goof off. #editorchat

[21:35:15] LydiaBreakfast: @DougLance SM = social media #editorchat

[21:35:24] obilon: @Dark_Faust Really? They see SM as a waste b/c it does nothing to promote them? Or a time suck with no ROI? #editorchat

[21:35:34] jimmcbee: @DougLance SM=social media #editorchat

[21:35:35] milehighfool: Framing the question somewhat differently? Is social media critical to you as a writer? Editor? #editorchat

[21:35:55] bacigalupe: heard this expression in yoga the other day: “gravity surfing”, well, this is how it feels to balance the SM and the writing #editorchat

[21:36:04] ErikSherman: @LydiaBreakfast It’s not hard and fast, but it’s a hurdle. However, having a “platform” and audience is a bigger hurdle. #editorchat

[21:36:18] hinder: Seriously, anyone who thinks SM is a waste of time doesn’t understand their audience. #editorchat

[21:36:25] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Not critical. But can definitely help with book promo. I have yet to see direct payoff for freelance articles/work #editorchat

[21:36:29] anndouglas: Odd. “There’s always that” was meant for @bacigalupe Sorry to confuse u @Sascha_Zuger #editorchat

[21:36:29] jennipps: @milehighfool I’m finding it increasingly important to me as a writer. Eds are finding me via social media, surprisingly (to me) #editorchat

[21:36:37] Dark_Faust: wrt Q2: How about editors that are SM behind corp wall, i.e., still promoting their own brand. Many readers don’t know or care #editorchat

[21:36:41] stephauteri: @milehighfool: As a writer, its been critical to me in building my profile within certain niches. #editorchat

[21:36:54] milehighfool: @Dark_Faust I think it depends on who you’re referring to. I know a lot of tech trade writers who use SM often, and well. #editorchat

[21:37:03] Single_Shot: @jimmcbee I definitely use Twitter to find sources. #editorchat

[21:37:09] JDEbberly: RT @hinder: Seriously, anyone who thinks SM is a waste of time doesn’t understand their audience. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:37:16] stephauteri: @milehighfool: On the less critical but still important level, it’s helped me to build a supportive community around myself. #editorchat

[21:37:17] jimmcbee: @milehighfool It’s becoming more and more helpful for source farming. Have yet to find many publishers or investors, tho. #editorchat

[21:37:43] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust Probably because their rightly skeptical about much touted tech – they’ve seen it the morning after. #editorchat

[21:37:51] kristoforlawson: @Dark_Faust – I think most journos are catching on pretty well, but there are a few still confused about it all #editorchat

[21:37:56] Single_Shot: @jimmcbee And, um, there is a fair amount of goofing off, too. #editorchat

[21:38:00] anndouglas: @anti9to5guide Sure. There’s me (Ann Douglas) the writer. There’s THE MOTHER OF ALL the book brand. #editorchat

[21:38:05] rachelcw: @Willowbottom excellent and tragic option! and something I’m regularly guilty of #editorchat

[21:38:12] shortformernie: @milehighfool Social media is an amazing way to let people know that you’re for real and serious about your abilities and craft. #editorchat

[21:38:17] rachelcw: hello all and my apologies for dropping in so late #editorchat

[21:38:25] LydiaBreakfast: SM has completely changed the way I do business, and expanded my reach exponentially. Just look at my twosse. #editorchat

[21:38:27] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide So as a marketing and brand development tool rather than a biz dev tool? #editorchat

[21:38:28] bob_bobala: I actually see a huge payoff on TurboTax. Our content doesn’t answer everybody’s questions, so users can answer each other’s Qs. #editorchat

[21:38:30] Dark_Faust: Does SM really provide ROI? Not for flacks but for editors/writers? Any one have actual data? #editorchat

[21:38:43] DougLance: #editorchat — I think this is the beginning of SM. A group of people fighting for influence leaves everyone powerless. Common goals ispower

[21:38:46] stephauteri: And I second @Single_Shot. It’s a great way to find sources. #editorchat

[21:39:04] shortformernie: @milehighfool And it strokes my ego in a way that I can’t get in my offline life, because I’m otherwise cold and alone. #editorchat

[21:39:08] ErikSherman: @anti9to5guide I’ve actually gotten assignments by pointing an editor to a blog entry I did and treating it as a full query. #editorchat

[21:39:15] milehighfool: @jimmcbee “Source farming.” What a great phrase. #editorchat

[21:39:20] KarenLynch: @jennipps They’re finding me, too … but why … why are they following me? Editors? Why do you follow freelancers? #editorchat

[21:39:26] jimmcbee: @Single_Shot LinkedIn has been good for med. policy sources. Not much is good for medical coding sources, though. #editorchat

[21:39:28] anndouglas: Don’t want to be linked exclusively to the brand (do a lot of other things) so I have to brand myself separately. #editorchat

[21:40:01] anti9to5guide: @anndouglas Ah, smart. Your series has a great title! #editorchat

[21:40:07] GirlsSentAway: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @PR_Student describing yourself and your biz concisely as in, the time it takes to ride the elevator #editorchat

[21:40:17] BeckyDMBR: @anndouglas Exactly. @dooce got a book deal for more than *just* her voice. #editorchat

[21:40:19] jennipps: @Dark_Faust No actual data but personal experience, yes. #editorchat

[21:40:20] Dark_Faust: @obilon The later – they see SM as another time sink with limited ROI. They may be right. But to reach new readers, need SM. #editorchat

[21:40:26] anti9to5guide: @ErikSherman Wow, fantastic. A 140-word pitch. At first contact? Or once you’ve already been working w/them? #editorchat

[21:40:28] milehighfool: @Dark_Faust Sure. I got a gig by being on Twitter. I know I’m not the only one. #editorchat

[21:40:31] thebrandbuilder: RT @LydiaBreakfast: “SM has completely changed the way I do business, and expanded my reach exponentially.” #editorchat

[21:40:38] shortformernie: By the way, I’m in the midst of rethinking my SFB format to be even more Twitter-oriented. Because that’s how important SM is. #editorchat

[21:40:45] rachelcw: @ErikSherman but don’t you find some editors don’t want articles that were previously blogged about by you? #editorchat

[21:40:52] stephauteri: Rt @shortformernie: And it strokes my ego in a way that I can’t get in my offline life, b/c I’m otherwise cold & alone. [aahaha] #editorchat

[21:40:52] jennipps: @KarenLynch I’ve wondered that before, too. I know why one is following me, via a RL friend’s recommendation #editorchat

[21:41:09] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust I think it’s still too soon for real ROI calc – you have to see how it works over time and then be able to measure. #editorchat

[21:41:10] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Marketing/branding, source hunting, and community bldg. Though I would like to use for biz dev. Just haven’t yet. #editorchat

[21:41:23] Single_Shot: @milehighfool @jimmcbee Re source farming. There is a fair amount of “weeding out” that has 2 be done sometimes, 2! #editorchat

[21:41:26] anndouglas: That’s one of the reasons I set up a separate Twitter account for @themotherofall – to try to create that separation. #editorchat

[21:41:44] JudySL: I was one of AOL’s community leaders back when “chat” consisted of BBs…I think we’re at the cusp of new usage #editorchat

[21:41:44] rachelcw: I got the best job offer of my career via Twitter and small gigs as well. It was the accessibility factor that sold these people #editorchat

[21:41:47] jimmcbee: @KarenLynch I follow ‘em cos maybe they’ll wanna join in with my project, http://smartnewsnc.com #editorchat

[21:41:51] hinder: When I started tweeting for the teen pub, our weekly views doubled immediately, monthly doubled too. So yes, SM works. #editorchat

[21:41:51] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Actually, I lied I got a small speaking gig through Twitter earlier this year. #editorchat

[21:41:52] milehighfool: RT @ErikSherman: @anti9to5guide I’ve gotten assignments by pointing an ed. to a blog I did and treating it as a full query. #editorchat

[21:41:53] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: “SM has completely changed the way I do business, and expanded my reach exponentially. #Editorchat

[21:41:54] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: “SM has completely changed the way I do business, and expanded my reach exponentially. #Editorchat

[21:42:04] Dark_Faust: @bob_bobala They are already established editors. SM seems like another time drag from the publisher. #editorchat

[21:42:18] kristoforlawson: how important will twitter be in the future… we have already seen how @aplusk can use it #editorchat

[21:42:23] Willowbottom: @Dark_Faust Regarding limited ROI, I suppose the question is: can they afford to be wrong? Worst that happens is you waste time. #editorchat

[21:42:30] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Yep. Wheat, meet chaff. #editorchat

[21:42:40] jennipps: @ErikSherman How do/can you measure ROI, though? THat’s eomthing I’ve never really understood. It’s not really quantifiable. #editorchat

[21:42:42] Single_Shot: @jimmcbee I use different places 4 different sources. Twitter is great 4 “real people” sources. HARO is good 4 pros & real peeps #editorchat

[21:42:49] Sascha_Zuger: @milehighfool Joining Twitter has been incredible boost, in my experience. #editorchat

[21:42:56] jimmcbee: Cold & alone? Now Ernie’s trespassin’ on MY brand. #editorchat

[21:42:57] anndouglas: @SpecialDee I’m paid to blog @torontostar + @yahoocanada (freelance; not an employee). Have my own blogs (profile link). #editorchat

[21:42:59] Dark_Faust: I think SM is key to engaging the future audience. It’s messy and loopsided, but is necessary. #editorchat

[21:42:59] UrbanMuseWriter: Yes, all of these are great uses RT @anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Marketing/branding, source hunting, and community bldg. #editorchat

[21:43:10] obilon: @Dark_Faust You engage readers better in SM than any other way. Q&A, updates, teasers, crowd sourcing, feedback – Immediately! #editorchat

[21:43:13] rachelcw: @Dark_Faust I think we’re all reestablishing ourselves via new mediums and expanded social networking opportunities #editorchat

[21:43:32] anti9to5guide: @Single_Shot I get sources through Facebook a lot. LinkedIn Questions too. #editorchat

[21:43:41] bob_bobala: @Dark_Faust Right, just more work! Well, I know tech editors that are completely afraid of SM. Think it undermines them. #editorchat

[21:43:48] dianavilibert: Hello #editorchat! @MarieClaire Mag associate web editor here (fashionably late?) coming out of hiding & stopping by for a bit! #editorchat

[21:43:49] JenniferPerillo: @rachelcw Agree about article prev blogged about. I used to hold onto ideas for that very reason. #editorchat

[21:43:50] jimmcbee: @Single_Shot not familiar with HARO. #editorchat

[21:43:56] JudySL: the only prob with twitter is that it’s hard to really pinpoint and target when you’re source hunting, don’tcha think? #editorchat

[21:44:00] obilon: @Single_Shot Agreed. Different SM venues for different types of sources and info gathering. Good way to think about it. #editorchat

[21:44:04] garylwest: On my work Twitter account we now have 600 followers in a few months. Took 2 years to get to 200 e-letter subscribers. #editorchat

[21:44:14] milehighfool: RT @anti9to5guide: @Single_Shot I get sources through Facebook a lot. LinkedIn Questions too. #editorchat

[21:44:15] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot Ever been in a newsroom? Goofing off is sometimes required. [grin] #editorchat

[21:44:27] Dark_Faust: @Willowbottom Risk analysis – good approach. I agree with you. But most editors w/ traditional pubs are just plain worn out. #editorchat

[21:44:31] LydiaBreakfast: @Willowbottom the rule of thumb for new ventures is fail fast. On Twitter, you’ll see in a skinny minute how fast it works #editorchat

[21:44:32] Sascha_Zuger: @dianavilibert Hi, Diana! #editorchat

[21:44:37] anndouglas: @ErikSherman What an efficient way to pitch an editor. Great tip! #editorchat

[21:44:52] rachelcw: @JenniferPerillo though I think that if presented more as a teaser with the opportunity for a full fledged feature it might work #editorchat

[21:44:55] jennipps: @jimmcbee I’ve found great sources through #HARO – www.helpareporter.com – run/founded by @skydiver #editorchat

[21:44:57] BeckyDMBR: @rachelcw Hey! No need to apologize. Pull up a chair. #editorchat

[21:44:58] ErikSherman: @Willowbottom That’s one reason I’m trying out twitter – don’t expect a fast payback and the cost is low. It’s worth the try. #editorchat

[21:45:11] milehighfool: @JudySL Yes, but hashtags improve the process. HARO (Help a Reporter Out) by @skydiver is an excellent tool. #editorchat

[21:45:16] merylkevans: @jimmcbee HARO = helpareporter.com by @skydiver. I get a lot of help when I am short on sources from that awesome list. #editorchat

[21:45:24] standupkid: Twitter is a fast source and quote finding machine like nothing I’ve ever experienced. #editorchat

[21:45:28] Dark_Faust: @rachelcw Agree. I think we all have to try. We have to be engaged or we’ll miss the crucial wave. #editorchat

[21:45:28] Willowbottom: @Dark_Faust and that’s the rotten part-understand being worn out, chasing red herrings, but may be time to reevaluate self then. #editorchat

[21:45:31] rachelcw: thanks @beckydmbr & @hotspringer #editorchat

[21:45:39] ErikSherman: @jennipps Depends completely on your business model. No general answer. #editorchat

[21:45:52] Single_Shot: @milehighfool Some of the chaff’s been chafing as of late. ; ) #editorchat

[21:45:53] jimmcbee: @JudySL yeah, it’s a bit of a crapshoot. When you have enough followers interested in your topic area, it’s not so bad. #editorchat

[21:46:12] LydiaBreakfast: @dianavilibert Hi Diana, so glad you joined #editorchat

[21:46:30] wordful: Did we get to Q3 yet? #editorchat

[21:46:30] Zoeyjane: I’m totally eavesdropping on #editorchat. Is it considered that, in the twitterverse?

[21:46:55] obilon: @milehighfool HARO (Help a Reporter Out) by @skydiver is an excellent tool. (Agreed!) #editorchat

[21:47:05] milehighfool: @dianavilibert Glad you could make it, Diana. Are you asking writers to use social media? How do you use it as an editor? #editorchat

[21:47:09] Dark_Faust: @ErikSherman Regarding hard ROI. I know that SM works for me, but whether it’s cost effective use of my time…don’t know. #editorchat

[21:47:10] JudySL: RT merylkevans @jimmcbee HARO = helpareporter.com by @skydiver. That and Profnet -great for experts! judy #editorchat

[21:47:17] Willowbottom: One thing I would say about Twitter is that it’s helped to vastly increase my repertoire of acronyms. 140 chars’ll do that to ya #editorchat

[21:47:17] LydiaBreakfast: Q3 Editors are you taking steps to create communities that will appeal to different demographics beyond your current readership? #editorchat

[21:47:27] hotspringer: Ditto on HARO. Led to follow-ups on Twitter. Story picked up by USAToday.com and WSJ.com. #editorchat

[21:47:30] Single_Shot: @jimmcbee HARO = Help a Reporter Out. Huge listserv of PR folks etc. where you can post for sources. It’s at helpareporter.com #editorchat

[21:47:36] ErikSherman: @garylwest But you can’t just count numbers. For example, if you have 100 followers and tweet a link, maybe get 3 or 4 clicks. #editorchat

[21:48:01] ErikSherman: @garylwest People opting into an e-letter are investing more time and commitment. #editorchat

[21:48:08] JudySL: @milehighfool hashtags help but still it’s hard to LOCALIZE things…queries go out all over the world… #editorchat

[21:48:10] jennipps: I got a LOT more info/replies than I needed for my last query on HARO. Might be able to use some for future articles. #editorchat

[21:48:22] Dark_Faust: @kristoforlawson Confused or just tired of their publisher’s asking them to try every new things that comes along. #editorchat

[21:48:40] GirlsSentAway: RT @UrbanMuseWriter: 1st person is easy, but it’s harder to make the reader feel like they’re there (w/out using “you”) #editorchat

[21:48:41] stephauteri: @jimmcbee: I second (third? fifth?) the HARO recommendation. That list is a lifesaver. #editorchat

[21:48:45] jimmcbee: thanks to everyone re: HARO. Will take it for a spin soon. #editorchat

[21:49:00] BeckyDMBR: @jimmcbee Look it up (HARO). It’s a great resource. @skydiver #editorchat

[21:49:15] CathyWebSavvyPR: RT @merylkevans HARO = helpareporter.com by @skydiver. I get a lot of help when I am short on sources from that awesome list. #editorchat

[21:49:28] rondoylewrites: Did I miss the outro? #editorchat

[21:49:41] anti9to5guide: @JudySL Haven’t had trouble connecting w/ the right sources on twitter based on query. If anything, I get extras 4 later pieces #editorchat

[21:49:58] jennipps: I think Tweetchat just quit working. #editorchat

[21:50:08] Dark_Faust: @milehighfool Yes – I know twitter works. Has allowed me to scoop an important story. It’s just that everything takes time. #editorchat

[21:50:12] CathyWebSavvyPR: @kikarose Helo, have you checked out #editorchat? it is Wednesday night 9-11? I think – you might get ideas 4 your writing.

[21:50:13] PR_Student: @anndouglas Do you think that would work? Just a link to a blog or SMR? #editorchat

[21:50:16] Single_Shot: @BeckyDMBR Love being in newsroom & miss it dreadfully. May have to invite some reporters over to hang in my kitchen office. #editorchat

[21:50:32] wordful: testing…not seeing updates on tweetchat #editorchat

[21:50:43] mariaelenaduron: I agree. HARO is the best! + if U follow @skydiver U’ll get updates of the most urgent stories of the day/moment #editorchat

[21:50:52] Willowbottom: The little ones don’t #editorchat and they’re home now – catch you all later. Thanks for the convo! #editorchat

[21:50:56] SpecialDee: If you’re using TweetDeck, do a search for #editorchat which creates a column just for tweets on that topic.

[21:50:58] garylwest: So did TweetChat crash, ore everyone just get quiet? #editorchat

[21:51:05] jimmcbee: Twitter seems to be choking, again. #editorchat

[21:51:13] Dark_Faust: @bob_bobala That’s not good. Why would it undermine them? Lots of tech folks use twitter. That’s why I’ve found it useful. #editorchat

[21:51:14] JDEbberly: RT @Sascha_Zuger: @milehighfool Joining Twitter has been incredible boost, in my experience. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:51:31] shortformernie: You guys still here? TweetChat got awful quiet. #editorchat

[21:51:33] dianavilibert: @milehighfool: Yes! We’re all about SM at @marieclaire mag, especially Twitter since we got on it in January. #editorchat #editorchat

[21:51:51] RBLevin: @garylwest Have you analyzed those followers? Many might be worthless. #editorchat

[21:52:44] Dark_Faust: But where does it end? In addition to Twitter, does everyone maintain sites on Facebook, LinkedIn, Plaxo, Ning, blog, etc … #editorchat

[21:52:53] TKFwriter: @anndouglas Hi Ann I’m confused. where’s your chat? Nothing happening at #editorchat I can see

[21:52:56] jennipps: Switched to TweetGrid. We’ll see if that works. #editorchat

[21:53:15] jennipps: @Zoeyjane Eavesdrop away & join in if you want. #editorchat

[21:54:40] Hergett: Feeling like I’m missing out on #editorchat, but the news can’t wait.

[21:55:09] anndouglas: @Zoeyjane I think once you declare your presence, you’re no longer eavesdropping. (Thinking of kid crouched at top of stairs.) #editorchat

[21:55:31] shortformernie: Alright all, I’m leaving for now. Need to update the blog. Ernie @shortformblog (http://shortformblog.com/) Fun as always. #editorchat

[21:55:32] LydiaBreakfast: @rondoylewrites five more min #editorchat

[21:55:40] sooutdoors: I have to scoot. Good chat as always. Drop by for some great Outdoors info & blogs http://www.sooutdoors.ca #editorchat

[21:55:44] ErikSherman: @JudySL To localize, you need to move into web searches, or indicate location in HARO/Profnet. #editorchat

[21:55:57] rachelcw: With many things-even traditional advertising it’s not as quantifiable as one might imagine,but results build over time-here too #editorchat

[21:56:03] obilon: @jennipps Mine did to for a bit. #editorchat

[21:56:06] merylkevans: @jennipps It did. Just reload it. Worked for me. #editorchat

[21:56:14] milehighfool: @rondoylewrites Not yet, Ron. We’re going to 10:10 b/c Twitter crashed for a few mins. #editorchat

[21:56:19] Single_Shot: @jimmcbee HARO’s worked really well 4 me. BUT you’ll often get inundated (& some sources reply to EVERY call, I swear). #editorchat

[21:56:20] jennipps: @wordful Switch to TweetGrid. It’s working for me. Seems like Tweetchat quit. #editorchat

[21:56:31] milehighfool: @Willowbottom Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[21:56:39] garylwest: @ErikSherman I understand your point, but we also see Twitter as now on of the top 10-15 refering domains to our site. #editorchat

[21:56:44] wordful: @garylwest not sure I got that lapse too #editorchat

[21:56:53] mariaelenaduron: @jennipps I think UR right. I just switched to tweetgrid b/c tweetchat was standing STILL. #editorchat

[21:57:07] anndouglas: Twitter saved my life last week when I needed to interview some Dads in a hurry – and all my usual Dads went AWOL. #editorchat

[21:57:09] CouplaJerks: @Dark_Faust We say pick one or two to focus on. We like linkedIn for business development and twitter for meeting new people #editorchat

[21:57:25] milehighfool: @Dark_Faust No doubt. Twitter is a regular r part of my task list. #editorchat

[21:57:34] jimmcbee: former editor @garylwest meet former employee @shortformernie #editorchat

[21:57:35] bob_bobala: @Dark_Faust Personally, I think they fear for their jobs, especially if the content out there is better than theirs. #editorchat

[21:57:44] garylwest: @RBLevin We are an ag publication. A lot are connected to ag industry or ag media. #editorchat

[21:57:50] anndouglas: I asked for help and had more than enough people to interview in less than an hour. I was so grateful & relieved. #editorchat

[21:57:51] LydiaBreakfast: Time to get ready for the out-tro folks. Let’s start wrapping up. Any more pearls about online identities? #editorchat

[21:58:02] Single_Shot: @Willowbottom Nice chatting w/another anti-pigeonholer. ; ) #editorchat

[21:58:40] milehighfool: @shortformernie It crashed for a few, Ernie. We’re taking an extra 10 min. to compensate. Intros begin at 10:05 tweeps. #editorchat

[21:58:41] bob_bobala: @jimmcbee Yeah, big twitter gag reflex. I think we’re in trouble. #editorchat

[21:58:44] jennipps: Thanks for the recs to reload Tweetchat. I did & still didn’t work, so I switched to TweetGrid. #editorchat

[21:58:50] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust You have to pick a few, I think – look for biggest ones in your areas of focus. #editorchat

[21:59:17] stephauteri: @Dark_Faust: I can’t keep up with those who are on every sm site out there. I can barely manage to maintain my blog & my Twitter #editorchat

[21:59:26] Single_Shot: I think Tweetchat just ran to the loo. #editorchat

[21:59:28] milehighfool: @TKFwriter Twitter was experiencing some problems but we’re back now, talkiing wriitng, brands and social media. #editorchat

[21:59:30] jennipps: @TKFwriter Try another client like Tweetgrid or Twitterfall or the like. #editorchat

[21:59:39] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust One ROI calc: look at how much time you save using SM and multiple it by billable rate. #editorchat

[21:59:49] bacigalupe: Q3 it really depends on what is the audience/niche, for some is the world, for others is pieces of it, diff. strategies in twtr #editorchat

[21:59:50] Dark_Faust: @Willowbottom #editorchat I think so. For me, I try all the SMs. Can’t top real experience to figure out where things are going.

[22:00:08] rachelcw: @Dark_Faust like so many other things balance is crucial. Exploration, integration, business model, goals and new developments #editorchat

[22:00:15] milehighfool: @Hergett There’s always next week I’ll be following you to the news desk shortly. #editorchat

[22:00:21] ErikSherman: @GaryLWest It may work well for you – still, there are customers and there are customers. I’m taking a direct marketing view. #editorchat

[22:00:24] RBLevin: @GaryLWest I’m sure. But a lot might well be noise. The raw numbers don’t tell the story. #editorchat

[22:01:10] RBLevin: @GaryLWest If you’re policing your followers, then the 600 you have are golden. #editorchat

[22:01:10] GirlsSentAway: RT @ErikSherman: @anti9to5guide I’ve gotten assignments by pointing an ed. to a blog I did and treating it as a full query. #editorchat

[22:01:12] LydiaBreakfast: wrapping in ten tweeps. Any more pearls about online identities? #editorchat

[22:01:25] JDEbberly: TweetGrid works like a Champ during chats http://tweetgrid.com #Editorchat

[22:01:29] Sascha_Zuger: @Dark_Faust I’m only on Twitter, will start blog on publisher’s site soon. #editorchat

[22:01:35] hinder: Hmm… Never used HARO before, but now I’m interested… #editorchat

[22:01:42] bob_bobala: Gotta run. Thanks, gang. Bob Bobala, among many other things, a fiction writer. Can read stuff here: exitstrategypress.com #editorchat

[22:01:43] ErikSherman: @rachelcw True enough. But I find that often you can get some quantification. #editorchat

[22:01:53] GirlsSentAway: RT @stephauteri: @milehighfool: As a writer, its been critical to me in building my profile within certain niches. #editorchat

[22:01:54] jimmcbee: Time for tacos! Have enjoyed the chat, folks. Take care and check out Smartnews when ya get a chance. #editorchat

[22:01:54] merylkevans: #editorchat

[22:01:57] milehighfool: @anndouglas I think the trick is timing and type. Finding Mac users to comment via Twitter is easy. CIOs? Not so much. #editorchat

[22:01:57] jennipps: @CouplaJerks Agreed. I do have IDs on Facebook & MySpace, too, but those are largely for friends/family. #editorchat

[22:01:59] RBLevin: @GaryLWest But if you don’t check each and every one as they sign up, the numbers can mislead you. #editorchat

[22:02:40] obilon: I find Twitter to be good for broad, general appeal questions. Once I get specific I need HARO, profnet or possibly LinkedIn. #editorchat

[22:03:04] dianavilibert: @Dark_Faust: You can’t possibly use everything to its potential–at @marieclaire, we’re most present on Twitter, FB, and MySpace #editorchat

[22:03:31] AbsoluteWrite: Forgot hashtag. . Social networking, marketing, branding, social media, and reputation are all entwined, they’re not synonyms #editorchat

[22:03:38] DaydreamWriter: How do you manage all of your work? #editorchat

[22:03:44] SpecialDee: For an idea on all the SM sites out there and whether or not your username is already taken, visit http://bit.ly/12prW #editorchat

[22:03:45] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast @mariaschneider has some great tips on tweeting authors/creating persona on her website Editorunleashed.com/ #editorchat

[22:04:09] milehighfool: Killjoy warning: seven minutes left. Re-introduce yourself and post a link if you’d like. #editorchat

[22:04:21] ErikSherman: @garylwest I could see SM being big in agriculture – lots of people working in isolated way. #editorchat

[22:04:25] KarenLynch: @LydiaBreakfast Thank you so much. What a great way to use Twitter. Have a good night. #editorchat

[22:04:26] PR_Student: Intros? #editorchat

[22:04:53] rachelcw: well, not sure if anyone is going to be at ASJA on Friday, but we’re going to be discussing this on my panel on Friday morning #editorchat

[22:04:56] milehighfool: RT @ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust One ROI calc: look at how much time you save using SM and multiply by billable rate. #editorchat

[22:05:05] JenniferPerillo: My tweetgrid seems to be grumpy tnight. Thanks for a great #editorchat again. Jennifer http://www.InJenniesKitchen.com

[22:05:14] mariaelenaduron: Yes, I agree it’s all about balance w/SM – it expands the field. #editorchat

[22:05:21] anndouglas: @PR_Student I didn’t quite understand your question — probably because I’m scrolling all over trying to keep up. DM me, ok? #editorchat

[22:06:29] anndouglas: @jimmcbee It is definitely having a v-e-r-y t-o-u-g-h t-i-m-e. #editorchat

[22:06:58] Dark_Faust: @Sascha_Zuger Blog on publishers site? Book or magazine pub? R U freelancer or staff? Curious who pays for blog #editorchat

[22:07:56] obilon: @milehighfool Agreed. Broad queries work well o Twitter. High level or specific ones, not so much. #editorchat

[22:08:13] jennipps: Jen, fl writer in south OK, contributor @ WritingforDollars.com & TutorialBlog.org. Now also @ 4HEALTH mag (as of today). #editorchat

[22:08:22] Sascha_Zuger: Night, all — nice chat, Lydia and Tim! #editorchat

[22:08:28] SpecialDee: LinkedIn has good discussions, not in real time. FriendFeed has good discussions, real time. #editorchat

[22:08:38] garylwest: @RBLevin I know more about the people following us on Twitter than our e-mail subscribers. And I’ve got follower from #agchat #editorchat

[22:08:39] Single_Shot: Thanx 4 another great chat folks! Diane Mapes, Seattle freelance journalist http://singleshotseattle.wordpress.com/ #editorchat

[22:08:47] Dark_Faust: @rachelcw Well, yes, I agree. But what are you on? I do FB, Twitter, linkedin, Ning, several blogs + write full time. #editorchat

[22:08:57] mariaelenaduron: RT @AbsoluteWrite Social networking, marketing, branding, social media, and reputation are all entwined, they’re not synonyms #editorchat

[22:09:15] anndouglas: @jennipps IFacebook for family/friends/close acquaintances. LinkedIn: Business. Twitter: Learning, connecting w/amazing ppl. #editorchat

[22:09:21] CassieTuttle: @milehighfool Darn! I missed the #editorchat again.

[22:09:25] LydiaBreakfast: Thanks to all for coming tonight, hiccups and all, we had a great time chatting with you! #editorchat

[22:09:43] PDXsays: took a phone call and completely missed #editorchat. will go thru the transcripts for the tasty info

[22:09:54] Dark_Faust: @ErikSherman How much time us save using SM? Save from what? Lost me #editorchat

[22:10:02] stephauteri: is ready to get into her pjs. Thanks for the chat! Writes about: Sex, relationships, & the freelance lifestyle. stephauteri.com #editorchat

[22:10:06] milehighfool: Time to close up shop. Continue as long as you’d like but, officially, we’re done for the week. Great chat, everyone. #editorchat

[22:10:17] anti9to5guide: Thx for great chat as usual. Michelle Goodman, writing about careers, freelancing, balance, pop culture: www.anti9to5guide.com #editorchat

[22:10:20] JDEbberly: For all the latest about PR/Blogging/Mktg/SEO/Writing/Tech/NewMedia —> @JDEbberly will keep you updated 7days/wk!! #Editorchat

[22:10:39] anndouglas: @JenniferPerillo I visited your blog quite a few times this week and was really inspired by the things you were cooking up. #editorchat

[22:10:40] SpecialDee: I blog at http://specialdee.wordpress.com about SM, newspapers, and subjects in that realm. #editorchat

[22:10:56] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust To figure an ROI on SM, one way is to look at where it saves you time, then calculate the dollar savings. #editorchat

[22:11:11] mariaelenaduron: @milehighfool I like twitanalyzer 4 all diff. aspects it looks at, then Favotter + retweetrank 4 measuring quality on twitter #editorchat

[22:11:19] Dark_Faust: @stephauteri Yes, exactly, so that’s the issue. Or the opportunity. All these things will be consolidated. But for now.. #editorchat

[22:11:26] Sascha_Zuger: @Dark_Faust HarperStudio has set up a blog for each of its authors on the website. I freelance mags/papers and write books. #editorchat

[22:11:26] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust When you know how much time you save, you know how much money you save at your billable rates. #editorchat

[22:11:32] obilon: Either Twitter or Tweetchat or both are SLOW… Good night. http://lonscohen.com #editorchat

[22:11:45] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust This doesn’t work for all benefits of SM, but will for many. #editorchat

[22:11:59] rachelcw: @Dark_Faust I explore all options, introduce myself and then engage most on the few that I feel works for me at any given time #editorchat

[22:12:26] jennipps: It’s been a great chat, everyone. #editorchat

[22:12:34] AbsoluteWrite: Thanks, everyone. Was interesting! #editorchat

[22:12:55] JDEbberly: Thank you for an excellent Editorchat, @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast ! I LOVE Editorchat! #Editorchat

[22:13:02] anndouglas: See you next time, everyone. Thanks for everything, @LydiaBreakfast + @milehighfool #editorchat

[22:13:08] BeckyDMBR: These chats are great … thanks so much for another great one! #editorchat

[22:13:36] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Thanks! #editorchat

[22:13:46] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Thank you! #editorchat

[22:13:59] rachelcw: I freelance, am a marketer, do a lot of speaking lately, have written some books www.rachelweingartenbooks.com working on more #editorchat

[22:14:05] ErikSherman: Woops – make that freelance journalist, author, chief cook, bottlewasher – http://bit.ly/3CABa #editorchat

[22:14:13] jennipps: Might not be able to make it next week. Leaving for a conference next Thursday morning. #editorchat

[22:14:26] UrbanMuseWriter: Thanks @milehighfool & @LydiaBreakfast for #editorchat

[22:14:40] unearthingasia: #editorchat I blog at http://unearthingasia.com about Singapore, Jakarta, Hong Kong, Phillipines and… countries in the region of Asia

[22:14:46] anndouglas: @TKFwriter Sorry I didn’t see this until now. You follow #editorchat by searching for the term on TweetDeck or another piece of software.

[22:14:58] rachelcw: goodnight all. even though I was late to this party I’m always grateful for what I learn here! @Dark_Faust we can continue on DM #editorchat

[22:15:31] jennipps: Thanks @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for great hosting, cat-herding, & trying to keep us on track. #editorchat

[22:15:48] Dark_Faust: #editorchat Crazy business, isn’t it? Snippets of conversations that tease without really satisfying. Well, until next week … ciao.

[22:16:28] JDEbberly: @jennipps Wish you the very best on that conference, Jen! Have a fabulous evening! #Editorchat

[22:17:07] JDEbberly: RT @Dark_Faust: #editorchat Crazy business, isn’t it? Snippets of conversations that tease without really satisfying. Well, until next …

[22:21:15] anti9to5guide: @ogiovetti Yes, that’s exactly what it means. No, social media (SM). Sorry, was in #editorchat for a little while. Check it out next Wed.

[22:25:34] lorilowe: @hinder: HARO is very helpful. I’ve found multiple sources for my book. Great tool. www.haro.com. #editorchat

[22:26:47] JenniferPerillo: @anndouglas Thanks. It’s always good to hear people like what I’m doing. #editorchat

[22:27:03] JDEbberly: RT @jennipps: Thanks @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for great hosting, cat-herding, & trying to keep us on track. #editorchat #Edito …

[22:27:42] shortformernie: Hey, too bad that Twitter ruined #editorchat for the evening. Still fun though as always. #editorchat

[22:27:51] papertyger: i missed #editorchat because i was busy screaming myself hoarse at a Rangers game. typical.

[22:27:56] rondoylewrites: Thanks to @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast. I left TweetDeck running during dinner and returned to great questions and answers! #editorchat

[20:30:11] milehighfool: And we’re live. Please introduce yourself when you join. #editorchat

[20:30:25] joecortez: @LydiaBreakfast I think I’ll be in good company then! #editorchat

[20:30:41] LydiaBreakfast: @wordful hey there, what time is it in your neck of the woods/ocean #editorchat

[20:30:56] JDEbberly: @BeckyDMBR Editorchat’ll be starting in under a minute, Becky! #editorchat

[20:31:23] LydiaBreakfast: An official welcome from your co-moderator Lydia Dishman, freelance business journalist, also covering travel, food and style #editorchat

[20:31:30] wordful: Charles here of wordful.com in Kamuela, Hawaii. Aloha! @LydiaBreakfast it’s 2:30 pm. #editorchat

[20:32:15] joecortez: Hi Everyone! I’m a journalist turned freelance writer looking to learn about this crazy business from other great freelancers! #editorchat

[20:32:20] JDEbberly: Hello all! I’m JD Ebberly from North VA. I write pieces about blogging and New Media #editorchat

[20:32:21] milehighfool: Let’s get to the rules. No 1. Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:32:39] jennipps: Hi, everyone! Jen, fl writer in south Oklahoma, specializing in writing/creativity, plus-size issues, & (soon) health. #editorchat

[20:32:56] jennipps: Missed everyone last week! #editorchat

[20:33:09] milehighfool: And your other co-moderator, Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor now also blogging at Quicken.com #editorchat

[20:33:43] milehighfool: Rule No. 2. Stay on topic #editorchat

[20:34:10] wordful: I have an interest in niche content publishing and blogging. I’ve been an editor for 11 years, offline and online. #editorchat

[20:34:33] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat

[20:34:34] SuziSteffen: Yes! Home & organized enough to participate in #editorchat! Off to Tweetchat. If you don’t want to read these posts, use TwitterSnooze.com.

[20:34:40] JDEbberly: Tim Beyers ( @milehighfool ) now blogging at http://quicken.com #editorchat

[20:34:54] RBLevin: @milehighfool Hey congrats on the Quicken gig. When did that start? #editorchat

[20:35:09] mariaelenaduron: Hi all! Maria here…editor, columnist, blogger and work with both online + offline pubs. #editorchat

[20:35:13] littlebrownpen: Hi everyone. I’m Nichole Robertson, freelance writer and Copy Director for a European skin care brand #editorchat

[20:35:14] Colgo: Dropping in on #editorchat … hi everyone – Paul here, an online editor in Sydney

[20:35:17] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen Yay, glad you could make it! #editorchat

[20:35:24] KBordessa: Hi. Kris Bordessa, travel and parenting freelancer for national magazines. Trying to keep up & cook dinner @ same time. #editorchat

[20:35:39] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:35:43] LydiaBreakfast: @Colgo Hey Paul, many thanks for joining #editorchat

[20:35:54] sooutdoors: Good evening all, Lloyd here from Southern Ontario OUtdoors. Writer and Past President of Outdoor Writers of Canada #editorchat

[20:35:59] mhertz: Hey everyone. Freelance writer/editor/copy editor in San Francisco Bay Area, working in a variety of industries. #editorchat

[20:36:02] milehighfool: @RBLevin Hey Rich. Started today. I’ll post a link later. #editorchat

[20:36:02] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Hey Nichole, we missed you last time #editorchat

[20:36:19] jesshatchigan: H’lo, all – Jess, writer based in Ann Arbor, MI. #editorchat

[20:36:21] LydiaBreakfast: @KBordessa Thanks for joining, cook us some too pls #editorchat

[20:36:38] jennipps: @milehighfool woohoo!! COngrats! #editorchat

[20:36:44] LydiaBreakfast: @mhertz welcome #editorchat

[20:36:45] travelinggal: Hello, hello. Apryl Thomas, freelance writer/travel blogger in northeast Georgia. Just trying to keep it all together. #editorchat

[20:36:52] LydiaBreakfast: @jesshatchigan Hey Jess, thanks for coming #editorchat

[20:36:53] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen Welcome back, Nichole. In Paris today, or New York? #editorchat

[20:37:06] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Lloyd, always a pleasure #editorchat

[20:37:07] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast I missed editorchat when I was in NYC two weeks ago. I shook from the withdraw. #editorchat

[20:37:14] mhertz: And, sorry, my name is Marc Hertz. #editorchat

[20:37:24] LydiaBreakfast: @travelinggal Hello Apryl, welcome #editorchat

[20:37:29] milehighfool: @travelinggal Hello Apryl. Glad you could join us. #editorchat

[20:37:34] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool LOL. In PA at the moment. Will be in Paris again in June. Tough life I have, huh? #editorchat

[20:37:40] jennipps: @travelinggal Sometimes trying to keep it all together is like two full-time jobs in one. #editorchat

[20:37:45] carlazanoni: Hi there. I’m a bilingual freelance journalist living in New York City. #editorchat

[20:37:55] milehighfool: @jennipps Thanks, Jen. It’s a nice win for me. #editorchat

[20:38:03] jg_rat: John Grey, editor of couriermail,.com.au #editorchat

[20:38:04] travelinggal: @littlebrownpen lucky you #editorchat

[20:38:06] LydiaBreakfast: Sorry if I missed personally greeting anyone #editorchat

[20:38:06] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:10] SuziSteffen: Hey all. Suzi here, arts & special sections editor for Eugene, Ore alt-weekly, freelancer & j-school adjunct. #editorchat

[20:38:24] jennipps: @littlebrownpen Can I hide away in your suitcase and go too? I went to Paris in 1998 and would *love* to go back! #editorchat

[20:38:27] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen Seriously #editorchat

[20:38:34] travelinggal: @jennipps it doesn’t help that I was gone last week to a conference. My brain has been mushy all this week. #editorchat

[20:38:40] kwagg: sorry joining late … Kristen editor at small community paper in KC area #editorchat

[20:38:53] mhertz: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for the welcome! #editorchat

[20:39:08] littlebrownpen: @jennipps Sure. I travel very light, so you’d fit right in. #editorchat

[20:39:13] LydiaBreakfast: @kwagg not late, we are just getting started, welcome #editorchat

[20:39:34] milehighfool: Welcome everyone. Should be a great chat tonight. Seems like the new time works well? #editorchat

[20:39:42] KBordessa: @travelinggal I’d take conference fuzz to flu fuzz any day! Blech #editorchat

[20:39:48] jennipps: @travelinggal I don’t have that excuse. My brain was just mushy in general last week. *s* #editorchat

[20:39:53] kwagg: @LydiaBreakfast thanks, first time joining in, actually. #editorchat

[20:40:02] jennipps: @littlebrownpen Oooohhh, tempting. #editorchat

[20:40:21] travelinggal: @KBordessa bless your heart! Are you feeling any better? #editorchat

[20:40:37] JDEbberly: @KBordessa Yeah KB, I know all about that flu fuzz. This strain makes you all weak. Ugh. #editorchat

[20:40:38] LydiaBreakfast: Ok tweeps we are going to jump in to the questions, please refer to the Q# so we all know what you are referring to #editorchat

[20:40:56] jennipps: @milehighfool Great for me! I’d been kind of scrambling to make 7:00. Tonight was impossible and I thought I was super late. #editorchat

[20:41:07] Sirjohn_writer: #editorchat new to this chat, but write international articles. It is good to meet everyone for the first time.

[20:41:16] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Please refer to the Q# so we all know what you are referring to #editorchat

[20:41:25] KBordessa: @travelinggal Oh, you southern girl! Yes, on the mend, catching up. #editorchat

[20:41:31] travelinggal: @Sirjohn_writer welcome #editorchat

[20:41:35] wordful: @milehighfool I like the old time better. #editorchat

[20:41:40] LydiaBreakfast: Q 1 Innovation is often good, + may help save the publishing industry from itself. But is all innovation good, or necessary? #editorchat

[20:41:51] milehighfool: @Sirjohn_writer Glad you could make it, sir. Welcome. #editorchat

[20:41:53] JDEbberly: @Sirjohn_writer Welcome to Editorchat, SirJohn! You are definitely welcome here! #editorchat

[20:42:00] jg_rat: Currently wrestling with legal issues – a harsh suppression order in another AU state is causing us grief (and fear of contempt) #editorchat

[20:42:03] jennipps: RT @LydiaBreakfast Please refer to the Q# so we all know what you are referring to. #editorchat

[20:42:17] travelinggal: @KBordessa It is that obvious? Next, I’ll be showing up on your doorstep with homemade chicken soup. #editorchat

[20:42:36] LydiaBreakfast: @jg_rat legal issues over innovation, or something else? #editorchat

[20:42:42] kwagg: Q1 innovation is good, but still using the basics is necessary. writing skills, understanding of news, etc. #editorchat

[20:42:52] jennipps: Q1 – If you strive for innovation just for the sake of innovation, you’re doing it for the wrong reasons. #editorchat

[20:43:35] milehighfool: @kwagg Agreed. But what about format innovations. Example: Should we be writing for the super-small screen? (iPhone, etc.) #editorchat

[20:43:48] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Good point. Innovation for innovation sake, not the point. #editorchat

[20:43:48] jennipps: Q1 – and innovation for the sake of innovation is not good and can complicate/break what worked beforehand. #editorchat

[20:43:51] jg_rat: @LydiaBreakfast Supreme Court has made wide suppression order that makes 100s of archived online stories dangerous #editorchat

[20:43:53] sooutdoors: Q1 I wouldn’t necessarily sat innovation itself is necessarily always good but it is necessary. Stagnate and die. #editorchat

[20:43:56] gmarkham: Hi. Mark Hamilton, journalism instructor and former editor. #editorchat

[20:43:57] a2editor: Hello, editorchat. Looking forward to the conversation on innovation tonight. #editorchat

[20:44:02] SuziSteffen: Q1 I think the editorial meeting in East Bay Express’ “Saving Newspapers” video says a lot abt innovation: http://is.gd/qlfZ #editorchat

[20:44:15] JDEbberly: Q1 Innovations for the small iPhone screen are in order #editorchat

[20:44:15] wordful: There’s nothing uncommon about evolving technology, but writers/editors/publishers still need to focus on content and audience. #editorchat

[20:44:16] mariaelenaduron: Q1: Some innovation gets in the way+can even make UR pub cloudy + difficult 2 read. I agree w/@jennipps, must fulfill real need. #editorchat

[20:44:19] LydiaBreakfast: @a2editor Hey there, we missed you #editorchat

[20:44:29] jennipps: @milehighfool I think there are/will be people who can write for super small screen, but I doubt I’m among them. *s* #editorchat

[20:44:30] jg_rat: Q1 It’s all about storytelling, isn’t it? #editorchat

[20:44:52] milehighfool: Mark, Laura, glad you could make it. Your take on publishing innovation? How necessary is it? #editorchat

[20:44:56] kwagg: @milehighfool IMO keeping that in mind is important but you can’t forget the basics in the process diminshs product otherwise #editorchat

[20:45:02] SuziSteffen: I also think it’s hard to know what “innovations” will work, so we’re all trying everything that we can. #editorchat

[20:45:04] a2editor: @LydiaBreakfast Hi, thanks. Missed my editorchat tweeps last week. #editorchat

[20:45:05] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps don’t you think twitter’s 140 char. limitation helps that? #editorchat

[20:45:06] wordful: @mariaelenaduron good point #editorchat

[20:45:11] spencerspellman: Not as much Twittering today, busy busy. Sad that I’m missing #editorchat

[20:45:11] mhertz: Q1 @milehighfool I suppose a writer just need to know what medium he/she is writing for and adjust accordingly #editorchat

[20:45:12] carlazanoni: Q1 I always thought the basics were more important than innovative tools, now finding so many eds are interested in the latter. #editorchat

[20:45:54] shortformblog: Q1: If you’re not innovating, you’re not thinking. Simple as that. I think you’d have to be crazy to not think forward. #editorchat

[20:46:00] milehighfool: @SuziSteffen Hey Suzi. Assuming we don’t have time to watch now, what’s the takeaway? #editorchat

[20:46:05] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen Do you think that can lead to a mash of not-very-usable content? #editorchat

[20:46:11] mariaelenaduron: RT @wordful There’s nothing uncommon bout evolving technology,but writers/editors/publishers need 2 focus on content+audience #editorchat

[20:46:22] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast It definitely does. So in that light, I might be among the small-screen format writers eventually, but not yet. #editorchat

[20:46:24] SpecialDee: Special Sections editor http://www.sunjournal.com Maine newspaper, joining the convo. #editorchat

[20:46:27] a2editor: @milehighfool I think innovation is necessary (and inevitable), but can create messes in times of transition. #editorchat

[20:46:28] shortformblog: Q1: But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be a good editor of what innovations make most sense. #editorchat

[20:46:30] joecortez: Q1: Innovation is only innovation when it actually serves a purpose that will improve the industry. Otherwise, its just clutter. #editorchat

[20:46:36] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast Hope #editorchat goes well. Sad I’m missing it. BTW, I’ve got to give you props for the Firefly Tea comment, could use one

[20:46:37] jg_rat: @mhertz @milehighfool Q1But writers should be writing for multiple platforms? #editorchat

[20:46:47] jennipps: @spencerspellman Darn! We’ll miss you. #editorchat

[20:46:48] milehighfool: @mhertz I think this is possibly the biggest issue, and what may be behind the devaluing of Web content. #editorchat

[20:46:59] bob_bobala: Q1 Innovate or die. I don’t think there’s a choice. (Sorry, still working here on the West Coast.) #editorchat

[20:47:04] Shelbow: Hi #editorchat. I’m Shelly, a Web content consultant and former book editor in San Diego.

[20:47:04] JDEbberly: @SpecialDee Welcome to Editorchat, Dee! #editorchat

[20:47:06] mariaelenaduron: @SuziSteffen LOL!! Am watching the video right now – thanks! #editorchat

[20:47:19] milehighfool: RT @joecortez: Q1: Innovation is only innovation when it actually serves a purpose that will improve the industry. #editorchat

[20:47:26] carlazanoni: @a2editor Completely agree about the mess it can make. #editorchat

[20:47:29] LydiaBreakfast: @spencerspellman hee hee, I am still waiting for my tumbler #editorchat

[20:47:33] SuziSteffen: @LydiaBreakfast Not really. Online, people will read/watch/listen to what’s interesting and filter out the rest. Print=diff tho. #editorchat

[20:47:38] shortformblog: BTW, came in a little late. Ernie Smith, designer, Wash. Post Express, creator of ShortFormBlog (http://shortformblog.com/) #editorchat

[20:47:48] jennipps: RT @shortformblog Q1: If you’re not innovating, you’re not thinking. Simple as that. I think you’d be crazy to not think fwd #editorchat

[20:47:59] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala Hey Bob, thanks for joining (at work!) #editorchat

[20:48:02] littlebrownpen: Q1 – Innovation without value is noise. #editorchat

[20:48:11] mhertz: Q1 I suppose the problem these days may be the speed of innovation and trying to keep up with them all. #editorchat

[20:48:11] JDEbberly: RT @joecortez: Q1: Innovation is only innovation when it actually serves a purpose that will improve the industry. #editorchat

[20:48:36] jg_rat: @SuziSteffen Q1 Don’t you think readers filter when they read paper? #editorchat

[20:48:41] sooutdoors: RT @littlebrownpen: Q1 – Innovation without value is noise. #editorchat

[20:48:43] bob_bobala: @carlazanoni The mess can be good… isn’t twitter just a big mess?! #editorchat

[20:48:46] jennipps: Agreed! RT @littlebrownpen Q1 – Innovation without value is noise. #editorchat

[20:48:56] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Hey Bob. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:48:59] Shelbow: @bob_bobala what are you doing at #editorchat on tax day?? ~Shelly

[20:49:06] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Glad to be here! #editorchat

[20:49:09] SuziSteffen: Q1 Yes. Students and recent grads tell me they need to learn coding. Wish I had time for all of that +, you know, work. #editorchat

[20:49:12] jg_rat: @mhertz Q1 Re keeping up, I am in constant state of future fatigue #editorchat

[20:49:13] jennipps: @mhertz And differentiating between the wheat and the chaff. #editorchat

[20:49:21] jenwillis: Apologies for my tardiness. I’m having connection/processor sluggishness. #editorchat

[20:49:26] mariaelenaduron: RT @littlebrownpen Q1 – Innovation without value is noise. <Amen!> #editorchat

[20:49:31] Colgo: Q1 Must say I agree with @bob_bobala who said: Innovate or die. I don’t think there’s a choice. #editorchat

[20:49:40] LydiaBreakfast: @jg_rat They might skip sections not of interest to them, but the line between editorial and ads might make it difficult #editorchat

[20:49:50] milehighfool: Q1 So if we agree that innovation without value is noise, how do we add value? #editorchat

[20:49:59] JDEbberly: RT @mhertz: Q1 I suppose the problem these days may be the speed of innovation and trying to keep up with them all. #editorchat

[20:50:02] jennipps: @Colgo But don’t you think there’s still a line of when innovation becomes cumbersome? #editorchat

[20:50:05] LydiaBreakfast: @jenwillis no problem, jump in as you can #editorchat

[20:50:10] SuziSteffen: @jennipps But how will you know, in advance, what innovation is noise and what is value? Or what @milehighfool said. #editorchat

[20:50:20] RBLevin: @wordful They also need to expand skill sets beyond word proc. Video, audio, design, lite coding are crucial skills for writers. #editorchat

[20:50:26] gmarkham: Q!: But there’s often no way to fully evaluate innovation until it’s been tried. #editorchat

[20:50:28] bob_bobala: @Shelbow Shelly, my job is done! I handed off to the TurboTax web team weeks ago. #editorchat

[20:50:37] carlazanoni: @bob_bobala But if I find this hard to follow and I’m 34 and educ., how about the the afflicted we’re supposed to comfort? #editorchat

[20:50:43] mariaelenaduron: @Colgo I agree w/innovation 2 as long as it serves a purpose. If it takes away from content+ value of pub 2 audience, then why? #editorchat

[20:50:43] SuziSteffen: @jg_rat Of course we all filter when we read, but changing too much too fast in print can lead to Very Angry Readers. #editorchat

[20:50:43] milehighfool: Another example: Community. Isn’t it what do you with, and how you engage with, the community that maters? #editorchat

[20:50:52] jennipps: @SuziSteffen THere’s the rub. lol. I don’t know. I think it’s a matter of personal preference/usability. #editorchat

[20:50:58] a2editor: Value is what it always was IMO: Inform, inspire, entertain. Just do it in new and more useful, convenient, creative ways. #editorchat

[20:51:03] marciamarcia: #editorchat

[20:51:11] timecommander: Innovation is only the start of technology. #editorchat

[20:51:16] jobsearchcoach: RT @JoeCortez: Q1: Innovation is only innovation when it serves purpose that will improve industry. Otherwise, its just clutter. #editorchat

[20:51:27] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Another example: Community. Isn’t it what do you with, and how you engage with, the community that maters? #editorchat

[20:51:28] SuziSteffen: Q1 But, @lydiabreakfast, I do want to keep that wall b/t ad and copy. Yipes otherwise. #editorchat

[20:51:35] bob_bobala: @SuziSteffen That’s interesting about the coding, Suzi. I work for TurboTax and would get more done if I could code. #editorchat

[20:51:37] jg_rat: @SuziSteffen People hate change. Peope love change. #editorchat

[20:51:41] SpecialDee: Q1: I can’t have conversations w/paper but can w/peeps, thus building of an online community in real time is good, but how to? #editorchat

[20:51:43] gmarkham: @joecortez do you have a definition for “improve the industry”? #editorchat

[20:51:49] Colgo: Q1 Modern platforms offer so much room for innovation that … all innovation is good – failures will result in good lessons #editorchat

[20:51:51] milehighfool: @RBLevin This is precisely my point. For writers, knowing the medium seems to be amost as important as knowing the content. #editorchat

[20:51:55] littlebrownpen: RT @a2editor Value is what it always was: Inform, inspire, entertain. Just do it in new and more useful, convenient, creative w #editorchat

[20:52:00] jennipps: RT @a2editor Value is what it always was: Inform, inspire, entertain. Just do it in new & more useful, convenient, creative ways #editorchat

[20:52:20] mariaelenaduron: @SuziSteffen Think U need 2 have feedback of real readers. It’s a mistake 4 any1 2 speak 4 their end user (customer) + assume. #editorchat

[20:52:21] jg_rat: @SpecialDee Q1 Social media may be part of the answer #editorchat

[20:52:26] milehighfool: @Colgo Interesting point. But only if you move fast to correct mistakes, yes? #editorchat

[20:52:29] wordful: @RBLevin yes as writers/editors we need to be mindful of innovation. no use stopping or fighting it…just focus on value #editorchat

[20:52:34] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala the question then becomes, how much are we required to do? #editorchat

[20:52:35] shortformblog: Let me dig it up, but I was just reading a story about Dallas laying off people they trained to innovate in video. Absurd. #editorchat

[20:52:35] bob_bobala: @carlazanoni Yeah, it’s not easy. I’m not making that argument. #editorchat

[20:53:00] RBLevin: @milehighfool Always has been. Only today, the medium is much more complex than a page. #editorchat

[20:53:02] jesshatchigan: @gmarkham Q1 Trial and error is part of innovation. The chaff falls by the wayside. #editorchat

[20:53:05] shortformblog: What the DMN did, that’s not useful innovation. Do not train people in innovative things only to lay them off. #editorchat

[20:53:19] joecortez: Q1: @milehighfool We add value in improving content: using technology to make what we write more interactive; more insightful. #editorchat

[20:53:24] Shelbow: Q1 I’d say keep your eye on the objective — e.g. making something easier to accomplish or understand– then innovate. #editorchat

[20:53:40] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast How much innovation or technology work are we required to do? #editorchat

[20:53:51] wordful: @milehighfool that’s right! A 21st century editor needs to embrace innovation in order to thrive. #editorchat

[20:53:55] kwagg: RT @Shelbow Q1 I’d say keep your eye on the objective — e.g. making something easier to accomplish or understand– then innovat #editorchat

[20:53:58] SuziSteffen: @LydiaBreakfast Q1 About how much we’re required to do, absolutely! #editorchat

[20:54:02] Colgo: @jennipps I think the editor’s role as a manager should be to provide a platform for agile innovation #editorchat

[20:54:17] bob_bobala: @Shelbow Q1 yes, that’s always job #1. #editorchat

[20:54:17] milehighfool: @jesshatchigan Does the chaff always fall away? I’m not so sure. if it were so, wouldn’t newspapers have figured out online? #editorchat

[20:54:19] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala tech work, I mean, should I go and take classes on CSS and HML #editorchat

[20:54:36] earleyedition: Watching a bit of #editorchat stream. Check it out if you’re into online journ issues

[20:54:45] SpecialDee: Q1 Innovation: How do you feel about online communities following specific bylines? #editorchat

[20:54:57] LydiaBreakfast: I meant HTML #editorchat

[20:55:00] jennipps: @milehighfool True. I think the ones that pay attention, even a little bit, would have. #editorchat

[20:55:01] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: tech work, I mean, should I go and take classes on CSS and HML #editorchat

[20:55:24] jesshatchigan: Q1 Good writers have been innovating since we began scratching symbols on cave walls. #editorchat

[20:55:25] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast I think it depends how much you need a job and how versatile you want to be. #editorchat

[20:55:25] Colgo: @mariaelenaduron Sure, but I think you have to have room to think laterally about what the content is and what audiences want #editorchat

[20:55:32] jennipps: @Colgo Which would make things easier for people on both sides of the desk, I assume? #editorchat

[20:55:33] continuum_q5: RT @timecommander: Innovation is only the start of technology. #editorchat the Tech effect now with the human element

[20:55:34] joecortez: @gmarkham Innovation = tools that make us more efficient or our jobs better, or adds more value to the content we put together. #editorchat

[20:55:34] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee writers becoming brands is all part of the innovation equation #editorchat

[20:55:37] dodgemedlin: @shortformblog Spokane S-R has had issues like that too. Their video dept. was going great guns for a while, but no more. #editorchat

[20:55:38] leanneclc: Time to discount “the medium is the message” will pay for good, in depth, smart content either in writing, online, TV, or radio. #editorchat

[20:55:45] JDEbberly: RT @wordful: @milehighfool that’s right! A 21st century editor needs to embrace innovation in order to thrive. #editorchat

[20:55:56] wordful: @milehighfool no need for CSS and HTML classes….just go to the people who specialize in it. #editorchat

[20:56:13] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast HTML I can do. CSS is Greek to me. I can’t make heads nor tails of it. I think a class is in order for me. #editorchat

[20:56:16] littlebrownpen: Very often wheat and chaff duke it out … #editorchat

[20:56:21] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Everything else being equal, that is. #editorchat

[20:56:33] Sirjohn_writer: #editorchat with the advancement of the computer translators it still amazes me that my articles can be recopied without guilt

[20:56:37] gmarkham: @jesshatchigan exactly. fear of failure is too ingrained in media culture; limits innovative attempts #editorchat

[20:57:01] wordful: We need to know what technology and innovation is needed but we don’t need to know how it works. #editorchat

[20:57:09] Shelbow: Speaking of innovation, have you all seen SDNN.com? They’re working hard at innovating the news industry. #editorchat

[20:57:09] milehighfool: Back to the Dark Side. Is the failure of newspapers to monetize online a failure of innovation? #editorchat

[20:57:12] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat You don’t need to become an expert but some basic knowledge is certainly helpful these days.

[20:57:15] jennipps: @gmarkham And thus almost ensuring failure. #editorchat

[20:57:39] gmarkham: @JoeCortez thanks #editorchat

[20:57:59] mariaelenaduron: @Colgo Agreed! Think we need 2 B mindful that innovation doesn’t = quality.Might have 2 wait 4 more innovation, 2 get quality. #editorchat

[20:58:01] jesshatchigan: @milehighfool, in what sense? How to make a business equation of online? #editorchat

[20:58:03] mhertz: Does innovation when it comes to newspapers thus mean going online and stuffing it with ads and/or charging users? #editorchat

[20:58:03] mikhailg: @littlebrownpen I thought editors separate the wheat from the chaff and then print the chaff. #editorchat

[20:58:03] bob_bobala: Q1 If talent was equal, I would hire someone with HTML, etc. skills over someone without them. #editorchat

[20:58:05] leanneclc: How can we be debating innovation? Some of the most successful media is very simple – Charlie Rose, NPR Radio, New Yorker…#editorchat

[20:58:13] SpecialDee: @jakrose Newspaper people: let your fans spread your bylined stories, create community http://is.gd/s8l6 #editorchat

[20:58:16] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen And doesn’t chaff sometimes win? #editorchat

[20:58:18] wordful: Dark Side: newspapers are too journalistic. They need to be more personal and community minded. Look at HuffPo. #editorchat

[20:58:24] jennipps: @milehighfool Not necessarily. Some have tried to go online and still not made it. #editorchat

[20:58:29] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala I’m starting class tomorrow #editorchat

[20:58:42] SuziSteffen: @milehighfool Re innovation: I don’t know. Even if so, is it writer/editors at fault? We don’t sell the ads or design the web. #editorchat

[20:58:43] sooutdoors: @milehighfool I would absolutely agree with that statement. Many are now addressing issues that needed attention years ago. #editorchat

[20:58:50] jennipps: @leanneclc BUt even in their simplicity, they still make use of some technological advancements/innovations. #editorchat

[20:58:58] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool I’ve thought about this often. I think it is a failure, sadly. #editorchat

[20:59:10] SpecialDee: @briansolis Nice job re Statusphere & friends of friends http://is.gd/n85u #editorchat

[20:59:23] dodgemedlin: @mhertz Charging users is not innovation. #editorchat

[20:59:25] wordful: @Shelbow yes, I agree. Perhaps I’m getting innovation mixed up w/technology…? #editorchat

[20:59:33] littlebrownpen: @mikhailg Very true. #editorchat

[20:59:39] milehighfool: @jesshatchigan Right. Surely the Web is a phenomenal distribution mechanism. For newspapers, it has zero value. #editorchat

[20:59:41] rosefox: Joining late–hi all. I’m a book reviews editor at Publishers Weekly and a freelance medical journalist. #editorchat

[20:59:52] LydiaBreakfast: @leanneclc True there are some “old skool” that work, but the majority of the publishing business is trying to find a new model #editorchat

[20:59:54] JDEbberly: SDNN San Diego News Network http://www.sdnn.com/ #editorchat

[20:59:56] leanneclc: @jennipps Agreed but not at the expense of content…great content first, innovation if it makes sense, not for innovations sake #editorchat

[21:00:09] carlazanoni: @wordful What does that mean too journalistic? #editorchat

[21:00:32] jennipps: @leanneclc I most certainly agree! #editorchat

[21:00:32] jg_rat: @wordful Q1 Tech can enable innovation – sometimes it forces it #editorchat

[21:00:59] milehighfool: @SuziSteffen Good point. Maybe the follow-up is, as writers nd editors, how do we shape innovation in a biz context? #editorchat

[21:01:07] LydiaBreakfast: It would be helpful to clarify innovation is a new way of reporting news, creating features, providing web content #editorchat

[21:01:13] bob_bobala: @SuziSteffen At least with what we’re doing here at Intuit, the writers are intimately involved in design. #editorchat

[21:01:13] gmarkham: I’m not sure anyone could have seen how the combination of disruption and recession would slay the business model. #editorchat (1/2)

[21:01:23] SpecialDee: Journalists with followings, good read @techcrunch http://is.gd/rVOS #editorchat

[21:01:26] BaileyMcC: The content can be fabulous, but if no one sees it b/c of lack of innovation, the bad content still wins #editorchat

[21:01:33] LydiaBreakfast: Technology is what we use as a tool to help us do those things. Not the same as innovation #editorchat

[21:01:38] timecommander: How can a newspaper company monetize? Guest posters? #editorchat

[21:01:42] gmarkham: sorry, there is no (2/2) #editorchat

[21:01:45] rosefox: @milehighfool #editorchat Newspapers’ and magazines’ only “failure” is not yet knowing what works. Everyone is scrambling right now.

[21:01:49] shortformblog: @leanneclc You know, if every news market owned their niche like those do, it’d be OK to stagnate. But most people don’t. #editorchat

[21:01:53] LydiaBreakfast: @rosefox Hello Rose, many thanks for joining us #editorchat

[21:01:57] Shelbow: RT @jg_rat: @wordful Q1 Tech can enable innovation – sometimes it forces it #editorchat SO True! That’s why I say #contentstrategy first!

[21:01:59] jesshatchigan: @milehighfool, what’s “caviar to the general” may be non-chaff that’s monetizable in non-mass markets? #editorchat

[21:02:07] leanneclc: @LydiaBreakfast I know but I think they are trying too hard and missing the point…consumers pay for content and still will #editorchat

[21:02:24] mariaelenaduron: RT LydiaBreakfast Technology is what we use as a tool to help us do those things. Not the same as innovation <Agreed!> #editorchat

[21:02:31] SuziSteffen: @bob_bobala That makes sense for online-only, but trad papers couldn’t foresee … er ditto @gmarkham. #editorchat

[21:02:49] IrisJumbe: @wordful can a newspaper ever be “too journalistic”? Papers have to pick a gear & not just stick with it, but excel. #editorchat

[21:02:49] wordful: @carlazanoni I mean to say not niche-focused, which is the way web content seems to be headed. #editorchat

[21:02:56] milehighfool: @jesshatchigan Agreed. One man’s what is another’s chaff, and so on. #editorchat

[21:03:01] ImFreckles: hello from Toronto. just checking in to see what the chatter is about tonight. #editorchat

[21:03:23] mhertz: @gmarkham. Agreed. It just seems like a perfect storm of bad news for the newspaper industry. #editorchat

[21:03:25] Colgo: @milehighfool Q1 I like the BBC line: Fall forward, fast – make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill failures. #editorchat

[21:03:33] carlazanoni: @Wordful Point taken. #editorchat

[21:03:37] leanneclc: @shortformblog Yeah, I know and I know there are a lot of niche pubs that are nice to have, but if there isn’t enough market….#editorchat

[21:03:38] BaileyMcC: Merely charging users for the same old thing isn’t innovation or even content strategy #editorchat

[21:03:47] rosefox: @leanneclc #editorchat Consumers are becoming more picky about when and why they pay for content. Providing better/targeted content is key.

[21:04:15] milehighfool: @rosefox Really? As much as that’s true right now I’m not sure either industry has experimented well. #editorchat

[21:04:54] milehighfool: @Colgo Right. This is a classic model for tech, Google especially. Fail small, win huge. The poker player’s motto. #editorchat

[21:05:09] JDEbberly: RT @rosefox: @leanneclc #editorchat Consumers are becoming more picky about when and why they pay for content. Providing better/targeted …

[21:05:11] marciamarcia: Joining #editorchat late. Realizing I could use the community of editors and writers 2nite more than thinking abt what I have yet to finish.

[21:05:43] Colgo: gotta go to a meeting, will catch up on the thread later #editorchat

[21:05:44] leanneclc: @rosefox I definitely agree, but those personal budgets are only going to stretch so far…some will lose, innovation or no #editorchat

[21:05:46] IrisJumbe: @BaileyMcC Agreed. Nor is charging them for content and services they can get for free elsewhere #editorchat

[21:05:47] milehighfool: @rosefox On this,w e agree. I like and have high hopes for the Newsweek model. Premium content deserves a premium price. #editorchat

[21:05:49] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia Thanks for joining/procrastinating with us #editorchat

[21:06:01] jennipps: @marciamarcia I’m trying to keep from thinking about what needs to be done/finished. #editorchat

[21:06:02] SuziSteffen: Good plan!RT @Colgo I like BBC line: Fall forward, fast – make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill failures. #editorchat

[21:06:16] bob_bobala: Q1 Is creativity innovation? Because with print dying and web content so competitive, the most creative will survive. #editorchat

[21:06:22] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool Agree. I happily pay for premium content. #editorchat

[21:06:23] rosefox: @milehighfool #editorchat I think we could refine our scrambling, yes, but a lot of improvements require capital that no one has right now.

[21:06:25] SpecialDee: Look at each department .RT @timecommander: How can a newspaper company monetize? Guest posters? #editorchat

[21:06:34] BaileyMcC: RT@Colgo Q1 I like the BBC line: Fall forward, fast, make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill fails. #editorchat

[21:06:40] SuziSteffen: Funny, I don’t believe that people will pay for content, but out of solidarity I subscribed to InDenverTimes. So hmmmm. #editorchat

[21:06:46] jg_rat: RT @Colgo: Q1 I like the BBC line: Fall forward fast, make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill failures [fast] #editorchat

[21:06:53] jennipps: @bob_bobala Sometimes creativity *can* be innovation, but not always. #editorchat

[21:06:57] BaileyMcC: @irisjumbe @irisjumbe exactly! #editorchat

[21:07:02] Hergett: @rosefox Isn’t that exactly what local newspapers have been touting? Does hyper-local not equal targeted? #editorchat

[21:07:05] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Absolutely it is, Content innovation I’d argue, is more important than tech innovation. In publishing at least. #editorchat

[21:07:16] leanneclc: @milehighfool @Rosefox – I’m in for premium content at a premium price. Hope there are enough of us! #editorchat

[21:07:29] JDEbberly: RT @Colgo: Q1 I like the BBC line: Fall forward fast, make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill failure #editorchat

[21:07:32] littlebrownpen: @SuziSteffen I think you are on to something with solidarity. It has to start somewhere. #editorchat

[21:07:42] jennipps: @SuziSteffen I actually think it’s been proven several times that people don’t pay for content more often than not. #editorchat

[21:08:07] bob_bobala: @marciamarcia Everybody’s taxes are done, right? If not, sorry for the plug, but you’d better head over to TurboTax.com #editorchat

[21:08:08] milehighfool: @rosefox In tech, certainly. But back to Bob’s point. Are we being as innovative with content as we can be? #editorchat

[21:08:17] marciamarcia: In the focus group work I’ve done, I’ve learned some people buy into concept of pay-for-content, others just don’t. #editorchat

[21:08:24] wordful: I believe people will pay for premium content but it has to be highly relevant to their needs and useful as well #editorchat

[21:08:36] ImFreckles: i think this idea about paying for content just means the content must be really good. people are getting harder to please #editorchat

[21:08:43] leanneclc: @Hergett My opinion – local newspapers = dumbed down news. That’s my problem with local…happy to pay for online news digest #editorchat

[21:08:54] LydiaBreakfast: I think we can agree that creativity, really knowing your audience, and crafting quality targeted content are innovations #editorchat

[21:08:57] jesshatchigan: @milehighfool, premium content and niche marketing are two avenues to monetize. #editorchat

[21:08:57] SuziSteffen: @jennipps I know! So I’m sort of laughing at my behavior/belief clash. I also pay for the ORegonian, the NYT and bunch o’ mags. #editorchat

[21:08:59] BaileyMcC: We have to get beyond the basic payments model, ppl will find what they want free enuf is out there, do more #editorchat

[21:09:10] littlebrownpen: @wordful Highly relevant is key. Niche content will attract more $$$ with that model. #editorchat

[21:09:13] mariaelenaduron: @wordful I agree. Am for paying for premium content, too. #editorchat

[21:09:28] LydiaBreakfast: Ready for Q2 Writers: How has technology or business innovation disrupted your process? Do you write more? Less? #editorchat

[21:09:34] bob_bobala: @milehighfool What’s becoming more and more intereting to me is how you meld content innovation with tech innovation. #editorchat

[21:09:50] wordful: @littlebrownpen exactly! Niche content is where all of this is headed. Newspapers are not niche content providers. #editorchat

[21:10:11] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Easy access to some things has disrupted my process. lol. I think I write more, for the most part. #editorchat

[21:10:13] milehighfool: @rosefox I should point out I’m not intending to point fingers at publishers so much as point out a fact: innovation is upon us. #editorchat

[21:10:13] mhertz: The problem is, as much as we writer/editors may be willing to pay for content, will the average reader? And in a down economy? #editorchat

[21:10:18] marciamarcia: If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:10:19] anndouglas: @ImFreckles You will love it. I just arrived a bit late myself, btw. Listening to get the gist of the convo. #editorchat

[21:10:28] rosefox: #editorchat What does “innovative with content” even mean? Is it possible to divorce content innovation and delivery/monetizing?

[21:10:29] bob_bobala: Q2 I write more. Absolutely more. Question is, is it more fulfilling? #editorchat

[21:10:29] ErikSherman: @marciamarcia Problem with asking people what they’d do is that it’s one of the least reliable types of market research. #editorchat

[21:10:42] BeckyDMBR: @JDEbberly I especially like “kill failure.” Sounds like old journo-speak to me. #editorchat

[21:10:47] wordful: Q2: I’ve grown with the technology so I don’t really think of being without it. #editorchat

[21:10:53] jennipps: Oops. Forgot to put Q2 on that last response. RT Easy access to some things has disrupted my process. lol. I think I write more, #editorchat

[21:11:00] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Have to disagree on the technology one. It’s allowed for so much innovation that wouldn’t be possible otherwise.#editorchat

[21:11:08] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q2 Writers: How has technology or business innovation disrupted your process? Do you write more? Less? #editorchat

[21:11:10] IrisJumbe: @jennipps Yup. They might pay for exclusive content but how often is anything online ever really exclusive to a single site? #editorchat

[21:11:12] leanneclc: Absolutely! RT @LydiaBreakfast …creativity, really knowing your aud., & crafting quality targeted content are innovations #editorchat

[21:11:13] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala a catchy way to meld the two is to provide a mulitmedia approach to each story with links, visuals, audio and video #editorchat

[21:11:21] littlebrownpen: RT: @marciamarcia If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:11:28] jennipps: @bob_bobala It is for me because I actually write it and submit things instead of holding on to it forever. #editorchat

[21:11:37] SuziSteffen: Q2: What I like about online is that I can write more about what I want to (theater, viz arts, etc.) w/o space worries. #editorchat

[21:11:41] BeckyDMBR: @SuziSteffen Yeah, but, have we heard … did InDenverTimes get enough subscribers to continue? #editorchat

[21:12:10] wordful: Technology helps spread the writing so much faster and cheaper, so I do it more. #editorchat

[21:12:14] mariaelenaduron: Q2: I definitely write more. Learning curve time is distracting, ultimately valuable + provided access 2 new + good sources. #editorchat

[21:12:18] joecortez: Q2: Technology helps me gather more sources more efficiently. Can also be major distraction to productivity if I let it be. #editorchat

[21:12:21] jennipps: @IrisJumbe Exactly! Even if it is “exclusive” for one site, it can soon be spread to others by readers of the first site. #editorchat

[21:12:31] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR Great question, Becky. I’m not sure. I’ve had to wait for my CC statement to close before signing up. #editorchat

[21:12:33] BaileyMcC: Q2 I don’t think of tech as a disruption, its a way to enhance what I write and provide more to the audience #editorchat

[21:12:38] mhertz: Q2 Technology (read: the Internet) has disrupted my writing process because it’s an easy opportunity to be distracted #editorchat

[21:12:42] JenniferPerillo: Q2: tech innovation leaves me feeling overwhelmed with all the outlets that need “feeding”. #editorchat

[21:12:50] SuziSteffen: @BeckyDMBR I believe they’re deciding on April … 23 or something? I’ll go look. http://is.gd/sF0j #editorchat

[21:12:52] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast Q2: As a medical journalist, I am daily grateful for PubMed. Tech = searchable content = better easier research. #editorchat

[21:12:55] Hergett: @leanneclc Local sources need to evolve, yes, and may not have the expansive content, but are still valuable to communities. #editorchat

[21:12:58] jennipps: RT @wordful Technology helps spread the writing so much faster and cheaper, so I do it more. #editorchat

[21:12:59] leanneclc: @IrisJumbe I’m not sure I’d pay for exclusive…premium or higher quality, yes, exclusive…who cares except media types #editorchat

[21:13:04] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen You mean with blogging? Don’t some pubs limit blogging? #editorchat

[21:13:06] timecommander: Q2: Yes. Like I said earlier: as long as content is creative it will be fulfilling. #editorchat

[21:13:08] marciamarcia: @ErikSherman Most of my work has looked at what people have done, and why they did it. We hear,”No never pay for content.” #editorchat

[21:13:21] SuziSteffen: @JenniferPerillo Yes, true, and I feel guilty if I’m not posting on the blog/Twittering interesting links/getting photos etc. #editorchat

[21:13:23] Shelbow: There are lots of ways to “pay” for content … I think premium content doesn’t have to be supported by just one model. #editorchat

[21:13:24] mariaelenaduron: @SuziSteffen Too true! I do like not having to worry about space. #editorchat

[21:13:31] JDEbberly: Q2 Technological innovation helps me pull things together better for articles. #editorchat

[21:13:35] SuziSteffen: @LydiaBreakfast Probably, but mine doesn’t. #editorchat

[21:13:37] IrisJumbe: Q2 It hasn’t disrupted me but I’ve had 2 expand my process to factor in time 4 the time-consuming techie things I’m not good at. #editorchat

[21:13:38] bob_bobala: @jennipps Oooh, there’s a whole other conversation: submissions. How long do you wait on them, etc. @milehighfool will want in. #editorchat

[21:13:38] LydiaBreakfast: @rosefox what about your work with PW (I review books too, btw) #editorchat

[21:13:39] JenniferPerillo: @jodifur funny this is one of the questions on #editorchat! And I said the same thing.

[21:14:17] jennipps: @bob_bobala lol. Maybe that’s a convo better for another time, then? #editorchat

[21:14:18] JDEbberly: @SuziSteffen I just LOVE to post links to interesting topics on Twitter! #editorchat

[21:14:21] milehighfool: Q2: Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer. Sources are easier to find. #editorchat

[21:14:27] littlebrownpen: Agree w/ @JenniferPerillo Q2: tech innovation leaves me feeling overwhelmed with all the outlets that need “feeding”. #editorchat

[21:14:46] jg_rat: Q2 Wish I had time to write. Too busy innovating ) #editorchat

[21:14:48] jg_rat: Q2 Wish I had time to write. Too busy innovating ) #editorchat

[21:14:48] ErikSherman: @marciamarcia When you think about it, why would they? Vast majority of sources are free anyway. #editorchat

[21:14:53] milehighfool: @milehighfool Yes, yes I do. #editorchat

[21:15:04] jennipps: @milehighfool True! And the adage to “write tight” gets put into practice daily and makes it easier in general. #editorchat

[21:15:07] timecommander: RT milehighfool: Q2: Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer. Sources are easier to find. #editorchat

[21:15:20] bob_bobala: Q2 I’d like to think that technology hasn’t disrupted my writing life; it’s enhanced it. #editorchat

[21:15:21] IrisJumbe: @leanneclc Doesn’t it depend on the topic of the content? e.g. an exclusive interview w/ someone you found completely inspiring? #editorchat

[21:15:29] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat I hope we can accept ebook subs soon, because searchable text makes it easier to fact-check reviews.

[21:15:35] anndouglas: Q2 Concerned by something I heard today – some mega-bookstores want online video content for certain types book to stock title. #editorchat

[21:15:37] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Duh. Sorry about that last tweet. Yes, I do want in re: submissions. #editorchat

[21:15:38] JDEbberly: @bob_bobala We should suggest to @milehighfool to discuss submissions next week! Hint! Hint! to mods #editorchat

[21:15:55] jennipps: RT @milehighfool Q2: Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer. Sources are easier to find. #editorchat

[21:15:59] LydiaBreakfast: RT @IrisJumbe Q2 hasn’t disrupted me but had 2 expand my process to factor in time 4 the time-consuming tech I’m not good at #editorchat

[21:16:00] milehighfool: RT @jg_rat: Q2 Wish I had time to write. Too busy innovating 0 #editorchat

[21:16:10] anndouglas: Realize that’s a book issue not a specifically journo issue but it speaks to all the extras being asked/demanded. #editorchat

[21:16:17] Hergett: Q2: It is much easier to find information/sources, but I have less time to process and reflect because of immediacy. #editorchat

[21:16:25] marciamarcia: @milehighfool Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer, too. Brilliant perspectives at our fingertips #editorchat

[21:16:31] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool Q2: Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer. Sources are easier to find. #editorchat

[21:16:42] jesshatchigan: Q@: Whose idea was it to combine word processing with the greatest distraction ever & the same keyboard? #editorchat

[21:16:43] DougLance: How much could I make with this? http://freelancefiction.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:16:47] bob_bobala: @milehighfool @jennips we’ll have to hook up on that at a later time for sure. #editorchat

[21:16:55] SuziSteffen: @JDEbberly I know you do! I read most of ‘em. #editorchat

[21:16:57] timecommander: The funny thing about Twitter is that due to innovation it will be way, way off the map in the near future. #editorchat

[21:17:01] jennipps: Twitter has helped me *loads* writing-wise (and source-wise, too). #editorchat

[21:17:05] milehighfool: @Hergett Immediacy as in deadline pressure? #editorchat

[21:17:30] Shelbow: Q2 Technology has facilitated my writing process — don’t know what I’d do without it! (And my roots are so old school.) #editorchat

[21:17:35] anndouglas: Generally, I’m very pro-technology. But if pub wants author to provide website full of videos, better be $ in contract #editorchat

[21:17:38] JDEbberly: RT @timecommander: The funny thing about Twitter is that due to innovation it will be way, way off the map in the near future. #editorchat

[21:17:41] jennipps: @bob_bobala @milehighfool Definitely! I’m looking forward to it. #editorchat

[21:17:47] a2editor: @JenniferPerillo I can’t stand needing to feed the beast. That feeling guides me to do what I love, not what I “should” do. #editorchat

[21:17:48] rosefox: #editorchat Blogs have helped me connect with other writers/editors, and both get and assign freelance gigs with great success.

[21:17:48] ErikSherman: @anndouglas That’s a scary thought – hard enough to get publsihers to edit. So who pays for video production? #editorchat

[21:17:48] marciamarcia: @ErikSherman Amazed at how often publishers (and it seems writers) don’t seem to grok that w/o hearing firsthand. #editorchat

[21:18:12] JDEbberly: RT @rosefox: #editorchat Blogs have helped me connect with other writers/editors, and both get and assign freelance gigs with great success.

[21:18:13] bob_bobala: @milehighfool on finding sources on twitter, would definitely like you to elaborate on that at another time. #editorchat

[21:18:16] SuburbNews: @milehighfool Is #editorchat almost done? Just signing on and reading the dialog from the start…..

[21:18:25] jodifur: @JenniferPerillo what question? mac for word or too many blogs? #editorchat

[21:18:44] littlebrownpen: @rosefox Agree. It’s such a great way to connect. #editorchat

[21:18:56] ErikSherman: @marciamarcia They’re managing from wishful thinking, not from being in touch with reality. #editorchat

[21:18:56] LydiaBreakfast: @SuburbNews we go until 10pm EST #editorchat

[21:19:01] jesshatchigan: Q2 Twitter absolutely rocks my writing world – great contacts a Tweet away. #editorchat

[21:19:01] JDEbberly: @SuburbNews We still have about 40 minutes left in Editorchat #editorchat

[21:19:06] milehighfool: @rosefox Your own blogs or others? I have seen excellent bloggers have great success in publishing. #editorchat

[21:19:09] rosefox: @timecommander #editorchat What do you think will replace/supplant Twitter?

[21:19:25] sooutdoors: #editorchat Q2 the problem with technological innovation is that you can make a career out of learning and never apply anything.

[21:19:28] jennipps: RT @jesshatchigan Q2 Twitter absolutely rocks my writing world – great contacts a Tweet away. #editorchat

[21:19:29] JenniferPerillo: @jodifur too many blogs #editorchat

[21:19:33] wordful: I like that technology has made me feel so much more connected to everyone, which deeply affects my writing #editorchat

[21:19:45] Hergett: @milehighfool Deadlines I can handle-it is more the blogosphere and networking that demand ideas now. Writing as therapy suffers #editorchat

[21:19:47] LydiaBreakfast: Twitter has been invaluable for me for sources, and general info I might not have found on my own. Also HARO #editorchat

[21:20:02] joecortez: Q2: Tech innovation (i.e. Twitter) def. helps to bridge people & ideas together. The result is more complete content faster. #editorchat

[21:20:22] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool Me too. So many bloggers I know have book deals, columns in magazines, other paying blog gigs. #editorchat

[21:20:23] sooutdoors: So True RT @wordful: I like that technology has made me feel so much more connected to everyone, which deeply affects my writing #editorchat

[21:20:24] rosefox: @littlebrownpen #editorchat And a great way to see/share writing samples, albeit informal ones.

[21:20:24] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Kind of like knowing when to stop researching and start writing? #editorchat

[21:20:24] jennipps: @sooutdoors True. So the idea for me, then, is to learn enough that I can *begin* to apply it and then continue to learn as I go #editorchat

[21:20:27] milehighfool: @bob_bobala I’ll try now. The search mechanism on Twitter offers a great virew of thinking on a topic. (1/2) #editorchat

[21:20:32] timecommander: @rosefox Definitely something we’ve never heard of. And it won’t be a bad thing either. Change is embraced when it’s gradual. #editorchat

[21:20:36] bob_bobala: @Hergett isn’t blogging writing as therapy?! #editorchat

[21:20:36] JDEbberly: @rosefox I think utility glasses with an Internet connection will replace Twitter by 2013-2014 #editorchat

[21:21:09] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Tweeting for sources myself has also proven fruitful. Fact checking, surprisingly, hasn’t been too hard. (2/2) #editorchat

[21:21:09] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Agree Twitter has been great resource in researching recipes & leads. #editorchat

[21:21:09] LydiaBreakfast: Related Q 3 Editors: Has the Web and mobile Internet changed what you ask of your writers? Are you placing limits on them? #editorchat

[21:21:20] ErikSherman: @wordful I don’t feel that way – maybe because I’ve been around technology for way too long and used to it. #editorchat

[21:21:32] timecommander: @JDEbberly Hey, anything is possible1 #editorchat

[21:21:44] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast That’s where my learn-enough-to-start mo came into play. #editorchat

[21:21:45] milehighfool: RT @bob_bobala: @Hergett isn’t blogging writing as therapy?! #editorchat

[21:21:51] a2editor: @sooutdoors That’s true. I’m tired of tweets advising how to use Twitter, by people who do nothing but tell you how to use Twtr. #editorchat

[21:21:54] leanneclc: Q2 – Research is much easier w/google alerts. But writing is the same for me…gather info, outline, write (shut open windows) #editorchat

[21:21:58] bob_bobala: @milehighfool and i presume you’ve also made contacts that have lead to interviews. #editorchat

[21:22:03] shortformernie: Hey all, Ernie at @shortformblog here; was getting complaints about tweetchat clutter, so bug me here if you want to chat #editorchat

[21:22:18] jesshatchigan: @JenniferPerillo, on the too many blogs – yes. It’s overkill. #editorchat

[21:22:18] shortformernie: Also, feel free to add this account too. #editorchat

[21:22:19] timecommander: @JDEbberly Hey, anything is possible! #editorchat

[21:22:22] SuziSteffen: Q3 I’d like my writers to write for our blog and understand link-rich posts (yes, we link out of our site). But … #editorchat

[21:22:37] wordful: @ErikSherman I’ve been around it for so long, too. But for me it seems to make the world smaller and more intimate. #editorchat

[21:22:38] bob_bobala: @leanneclc yeah, you’ve got to keep the rain off your laptop. #editorchat

[21:22:43] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo I can’t say how many times I’ve made a dinner off of something I read on twitter #editorchat

[21:22:46] CMM_PR: RT @marciamarcia If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:22:46] a2editor: @sooutdoors …these people never actually take their own advice and USE Twitter. #editorchat

[21:22:57] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q 3 Editors: Has the Web, mobile Internet changed what you ask of writers? Are you placing limits on them? #editorchat

[21:22:57] konadad: Arriving late to #editorchat. How is everyone?

[21:23:16] ErikSherman: @wordful It certainly makes communication easier. #editorchat

[21:23:27] leanneclc: @a2editor ahhh twitter for twitter’s sake…let’s all become “social media consultants” I think the pay’s about the same #editorchat

[21:23:29] JDEbberly: RT @CMM_PR: RT @marciamarcia If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:23:31] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Can you expand on Q3? What do you mean by limits?

[21:23:39] LydiaBreakfast: @konadad swell thanks for joining #editorchat

[21:23:42] mariaelenaduron: @shortformernie I had 2 do the same thing.Was on a chat earlier 2day + 2 much noise 4 one day. MayB some1 will innovate solution #editorchat

[21:23:43] anndouglas: @JenniferPerillo That’s a very good point. I have to limit myself to specific blogs and specific SM. #editorchat

[21:23:47] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Absolutely. Twitter helps me engage where I hadn’t before. #editorchat

[21:23:53] joecortez: Web and wired culture has made editors expect more of me as a writer: because we r all connected, they want more content faster. #editorchat

[21:23:55] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Q3: No, not placing limits. All these technologies has made me ask more of writers. #editorchat

[21:24:01] wordful: @leanneclc that’s pretty funny…and true #editorchat

[21:24:02] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Twitter was my first stop for a kosher cooking question this week #editorchat

[21:24:14] continuum_q5: RT @timecommander: @JDEbberly Hey, anything is possible! #editorchat it’s all just a matter of time right?

[21:24:34] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @bob_bobala Absolutely. Twitter helps me engage where I hadn’t before. #editorchat

[21:24:35] a2editor: @leanneclc I’ve stopped following back anyone who calls themself a social media “expert” or “geek.” I can’t stand the advice. #edi

[21:24:41] shortformernie: @mariaelenaduron Yeah, multiple complaints. I had to do something. Sigh. #editorchat

[21:24:59] Hergett: @bob_bobala It can be, but when I write for me it’s usually old school pen and paper style… Not quite the same. #editorchat

[21:25:11] Mike_Evans_: what client are y’all using tto follow this chat #editorchat

[21:25:31] ErikSherman: @a2editor Doesn’t that just leave about three dozen people? #editorchat

[21:25:36] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Q3: To be a writer in the connected world, you need to be versatile. Can you write for the iphone, web, etc.? #editorchat

[21:25:38] anndouglas: @rosefox I love it too. My harddrive – not so much! .pdf overload! #editorchat

[21:25:45] Shelbow: Wouldn’t it be cool art if your Twitter feed was continuously projected on your wall? #editorchat

[21:25:47] jennipps: @a2editor Agreed. The only ones like that I follow back anymore are SEO peeps since I know little abt SEO, though I’m learning #editorchat

[21:25:56] ErikSherman: @Mike_Evans_ I’m trying TweetChat at the moment. #editorchat

[21:26:02] rosefox: @Mike_Evans_ #editorchat I’m just refreshing the twitter search page. There’s probably a more efficient way to do it…

[21:26:05] LydiaBreakfast: @Mike_Evans_ tweetgrid or tweetchat work #editorchat

[21:26:11] milehighfool: @rosefox One example: Are you asking for shorter articles to fit the medium? (Mobile, in this case.) #editorchat

[21:26:13] jennipps: @anndouglas Thanks for the reminder. I need to move my .pdfs to my external hard drive. #editorchat

[21:26:24] jg_rat: Out – have major breaking story #editorchat

[21:26:25] JDEbberly: @continuum_q5 Technological innovation will increase with time, which means that to keep up, we must optimize ourselves. #editorchat

[21:26:26] bob_bobala: @Hergett Ahh yes, the therapy of pen and paper. I gave that up a long time ago. No wonder I’m two sheets away from insane now. #editorchat

[21:26:30] dodgemedlin: @Mike_Evans_ I’m using Tweetchat. Works fine for me. #editorchat

[21:26:30] catekustanczy: RT @JDEbberly @milehighfool: @bob_bobala Twitter helps me engage -and connect, and learn, and expand -where I hadn’t before. #editorchat

[21:26:33] goodiesformom: @a2editor doesn’t it seem like everyone is a “social media expert” these days?? #editorchat

[21:26:38] marciamarcia: Only thing I ask differently from writers in the social media era is to not ignore the topic, pretend the tech isn’t there #editorchat

[21:26:43] littlebrownpen: @a2editor Agree. And enough with the I’m a guru/geek/expert etc. Ick. #editorchat

[21:26:49] BaileyMcC: @Mike_Evans_ TwitterFall, using only this hashtag #editorchat

[21:26:52] IrisJumbe: RT @a2editor:@leanneclc I’ve stopped following back anyone who calls themself a social media expert; I can’t stand the advice. #editorchat

[21:26:54] a2editor: @ErikSherman It’s not that bad. #editorchat

[21:27:18] joecortez: @Mike_Evans_ Tweetgrid is a great tool to follow chats — its like Tweetdeck, except web based. #editorchat

[21:27:37] wordful: Great blog post by Skellie on “Social Media experts” http://tinyurl.com/cvc4pt #editorchat

[21:27:38] mhertz: Tweetchat. What a revelation… #editorchat

[21:27:40] shortformernie: Anyone who has 3,000 followers and the phrase “marketing expert” in their subject line doesn’t get followed back. No exceptions. #editorchat

[21:27:41] LydiaBreakfast: Related Q4 is creativity paying off in a business sense? #editorchat

[21:27:44] CMM_PR: Writers have to be multimedia pros, understand how to leverage numerous disparate SM channels & stay on topic. Challenging. #editorchat

[21:27:55] anndouglas: @leanneclc I think pay-for-content works when u can’t get content any other way. I pay for @mediabistro Otherwise, no. #editorchat

[21:27:59] milehighfool: @jg_rat Thanks for participating. #editorchat

[21:28:03] leanneclc: Q3 I think Twitter will be a help for mobile writing…short and attention getting. Has also helped with headline writing. #editorchat

[21:28:04] marciamarcia: @goodiesformom Outside this bubble, I don’t hear it much at all. Let’s not forget we’re still on the leading edge here. #editorchat

[21:28:09] littlebrownpen: @mhertz I know, right? It’s so 1999. #editorchat

[21:28:17] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast For me? It’s starting to. lol. #editorchat

[21:28:30] wordful: Great blog post by @skellie on “Social Media experts” http://tinyurl.com/cvc4pt #editorchat

[21:28:40] anndouglas: @leanneclc Just realized that’s what you were saying. Sorry for blanking out. #editorchat

[21:28:50] rosefox: @milehighfool #editorchat Ah. Not really, no. Book reviewing isn’t really affected by tech that way. #editorchat

[21:29:10] joecortez: Q4: Creativity always pays off in business: if I offer an angle or idea that someone else can’t, I’ll get business. No joke. #editorchat

[21:29:14] IrisJumbe: @mike_evans_ I’m trying out Nambu. Kinda buggy but a really clean interface #editorchat

[21:29:14] a2editor: @LydiaBreakfast Q4 I’m still waiting to see… #editorchat

[21:29:17] milehighfool: @shortformernie Especially if they followed 4,000 to get to 3,000. #editorchat

[21:29:24] jennipps: Q3 – Creativity paying off in a business sense – depends on the venue. Sometimes yes. Especially for sites like Twitter & Plurk. #editorchat

[21:29:26] LydiaBreakfast: If you missed it Q4 is creativity paying off in a business sense? #editorchat

[21:29:34] JenniferPerillo: Q4: More people are willing to compromise pay b/c they can work from home in PJs. That’s where the tech innovation becomes bad #editorchat

[21:29:48] leanneclc: @anndouglas no worries…it’s hard to keep up with this one…really some of the best content on twitter #editorchat

[21:29:49] amous: RT @JDEbberly: RT @CMM_PR: RT @marciamarcia If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:29:58] jennipps: Oops. Goofed again. Put Q3 instead of Q4. lol. #editorchat

[21:29:58] goodiesformom: @marciamarcia I get spam all the time from people telling me they are either social media or SEO experts. #editorchat

[21:30:12] SuziSteffen: Perfect RT @marciamarcia Only thing I ask diff from writers in social media era is to not ignore topic, pretend tech isn’t there #editorchat

[21:30:15] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo For the record, I get dressed (up) every day. Even if I am home all day. #editorchat

[21:30:19] JenniferPerillo: I am totally sucked into #editorchat and still have a pile of dinner dishes in the sink.

[21:30:34] milehighfool: Q4: I think writing for the Web — a platform that caters to innovation — has forced me to write better bursts of short content #editorchat

[21:30:54] shortformernie: @milehighfool Yep, you got it. #editorchat

[21:31:13] anndouglas: @ErikSherman Point I made to author who called me for advice. #editorchat

[21:31:16] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast Is creativity paying off ina business sense? Yes! Same old same ol gets you same ol same & who can afford that? #editorchat

[21:31:22] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Same here. Otherwise I feel more like lazing around instead of working. #editorchat

[21:31:28] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Q4: Sure. PW editors following #amazonfail on Twitter got a story and quote up before anyone else. #editorchat

[21:31:34] Mike_Evans_: Newby here . Can y’all send links to some of your writing, so I can learn from y’all? #editorchat

[21:31:37] jesshatchigan: RT @joecortez Q4:Creativity always pays off in business:if I offer an angle or idea that someone else can’t, I’ll get business #editorchat

[21:31:38] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo Dishes will be there after 10pm unfortunately no innovation can zap that #editorchat

[21:31:38] ErikSherman: Q4: I can often research more efficiently and have additional markets for my writing, so, yes, tech can pay. #editorchat

[21:31:39] leanneclc: @irisjumbe honestly, it depends on how good the interview is…not if it’s exclusive. I think exclusive is pretty elusive today #editorchat

[21:31:44] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Me too on getting dressed. Gotta set parameters but get the feeling many are that regimented. #editorchat

[21:31:48] joecortez: @JenniferPerillo Bad idea to sacrifice pay to work at home in PJ’s — getting face time with clients is the best thing I do! #editorchat

[21:31:52] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast People pay for creativity. Therefore it’s worth it in a business sense. #editorchat

[21:31:57] IrisJumbe: Q4 Creativity of concept can definitely pay off in this climate, more so than creative content. Everyone is looking 4 new ideas #editorchat

[21:32:01] shortformernie: I think I’m bolder in my creativity on the Web. I think further outside the box and am willing to say no less. #editorchat

[21:32:06] SuburbNews: #editorchat Soc media tools are building stronger relationships with readers, subscribers. But still such a small % of readers so worth it?

[21:32:10] jennipps: @JenniferPerillo I try to tell people it’s addictive. Some don’t believe me though. #editorchat

[21:32:10] LydiaBreakfast: @Mike_Evans_ We do links at the end of the chat #editorchat

[21:32:14] milehighfool: Still on Q4: Have you had success trying innovations that have boosted revenue or your personal income? #editorchat

[21:32:20] SuziSteffen: @rosefox Yeah, and then the site crashed like CRAZY! Unintended consequences of Twitter linkage. #editorchat

[21:32:25] anndouglas: @jennipps Should do that, too. Can’t do much more research until I do! #editorchat

[21:32:29] littlebrownpen: @jennipps @LydiaBreakfast Okay, so it’s not cool to work on the bed in yoga pants? I missed that memo. #editorchat

[21:32:35] shortformernie: There’s a lot more reasons to say no to something in print. #editorchat

[21:32:46] WarLordwrites: RT @Mike_Evans_: Newby here . Can y’all send links to some of your writing, so I can learn from y’all? #editorchat

[21:32:51] jennipps: RT @IrisJumbe Q4 Creativity of concept can definitely pay off in this climate, more so than creative content. #editorchat

[21:32:59] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Waiting for Rosie to become a reality from the Jetsons! #editorchat

[21:33:12] jennipps: @littlebrownpen If it works for you, go for it! Just doesn’t work for me. #editorchat

[21:33:19] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Ha ha ha #editorchat

[21:33:22] marciamarcia: @milehighfool No doubt the web has honed my writing and tightening skills. [Even this sentence started w/ more characters] #editorchat

[21:33:24] JDEbberly: RT @IrisJumbe Q4 Creativity of concept can definitely pay off in this climate, more so than creative content. #editorchat

[21:33:30] anndouglas: RT @jesshatchigan Whose idea was it to combine word processing with the greatest distraction ever & the same keyboard? #editorchat

[21:33:34] Sirjohn_writer: RT @ErikSherman: Q4: I can often research more efficiently and have additional markets for my writing, so, yes, tech can pay. #editorchat

[21:33:34] milehighfool: @shortformernie How so? In terms of a query? #editorchat

[21:33:36] CMM_PR: Brevity and speed are also demanded in the hypernews, ‘always on’, online medium. Brings the need for creativity. #editorchat

[21:33:41] timecommander: @milehighfool Every reader of my blog is a success to me because of the fact that I produce unique content. So my answer is yes. #editorchat

[21:33:44] leanneclc: @Hergett I have to disagree about them being valuable – they aren’t staying in business so the community doesn’t see the value #editorchat

[21:33:46] jesshatchigan: @littlebrownpen @jennipps @LydiaBreakfast, I thought the fuzzy slippers were a guaranteed perk. #editorchat

[21:33:51] Hergett: @SuburbNews But the % of readers following is growing. What is small now, may not always be so. #editorchat

[21:33:52] rosefox: @SuziSteffen #editorchat I blame @wilw! But even with the crash, a lot of people saw our site, saw our ads; we got good buzz. #editorchat

[21:33:59] shortformernie: Q4: Heck, I came up with my approach to ShortFormBlog because I didn’t have anyone besides myself to say no to. #editorchat

[21:34:31] continuum_q5: @JDEbberly and time will have to adapt #editorchat

[21:34:36] Sirjohn_writer: RT @JenniferPerillo: I am totally sucked into #editorchat and still have a pile of dinner dishes in the sink.

[21:34:39] mhertz: Q4 My greatest creativity has been somehow finding freelance assignments after being laid off late last year. #editorchat

[21:34:46] jennipps: @jesshatchigan Don’t know about fuzzy slippers, but going around in socks w/o shoes definitely is in my book. #editorchat

[21:34:49] Mike_Evans_: thx @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat

[21:35:00] JDEbberly: @KBordessa Thanks! I hope I am over this bug by next wednesday! #editorchat

[21:35:23] shortformernie: @milehighfool In print, you have limited space. Online, the only limits are your imagination and not angering readers. #editorchat

[21:35:50] SuziSteffen: Great discussions, as usual, y’all. Off to feed the kitten & make dinner (and, @JenniferPerillo, do *breakfast* dishes ). #editorchat

[21:36:08] jennipps: @shortformernie And attention spans count as a limitation sometimes. #editorchat

[21:36:10] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Ha ha, I actually used to do that when I worked at Random House (along with a few others) #editorchat

[21:36:12] christopherhire: RT @jesshatchigan: Q@: Whose idea was it to combine word processing with the greatest distraction ever & the same keyboard? #editorchat

[21:36:21] a2editor: @shortformernie …and the reader’s attention span. Is that not a significant limit? #editorchat

[21:36:29] goodiesformom: @mhertz ok, I need to hook up with you because we are looking at possible layoffs #editorchat

[21:36:33] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen Thanks for joining us Suzi #editorchat

[21:36:35] ErikSherman: @mhertz Ah, finding freelance work – mostly a matter of putting enough time into the marketing grind. #editorchat

[21:36:43] jesshatchigan: Q4 There are only 26 letters in the alphabet. Put them together creatively and you’ve got the latest bestseller. #editorchat

[21:36:46] anndouglas: When I’m writing for print, I feel constrained because I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:36:58] IrisJumbe: @mhertz That’s great to hear:) I quit my job to go fulltime freelance a little over a year ago so have to think on my feet too. #editorchat

[21:37:06] shortformernie: @jennipps @a2editor No disagreement there. #editorchat

[21:37:06] jennipps: @ErikSherman ANd the day job seriously interferes with that. *s* #editorchat

[21:37:21] hotspringer: Oddly, a big chunk of creativity goes into marketing freelance work. #editorchat

[21:37:24] KBordessa: @anndouglas Absolutely agree about not being able to hyperlink! #editorchat

[21:37:27] anndouglas: RT @jesshatchigan There are only 26 letters in the alphabet. Put them together creatively and you’ve got the latest bestseller. #editorchat

[21:37:30] CMM_PR: @shortformernie Don’t you find that you are also limited in time to post? Content can become outdated so quickly. #editorchat

[21:37:36] marciamarcia: @anndouglas Heck, I feel constrained when I *read* print that I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:37:37] SuburbNews: @Hergett I’m all for soc media, stronger connections, two-way dialog. Hope biz model comes to support innovations. #editorchat

[21:37:43] jennipps: RT @jesshatchigan Q4 There are only 26 letters in the alphabet. Put them together creatively & you’ve got the latest bestseller. #editorchat

[21:37:44] ErikSherman: @IrisJumbe I’ve been freelancing for 13 years and supporting my family – it’s possible. #editorchat

[21:37:53] goodiesformom: @shortformernie I love that online you can make a post as long or as short as you want. #editorchat

[21:37:55] timecommander: @anndouglas Another example of how the internet changed us completely and in every way. #editorchat

[21:37:57] milehighfool: @anndouglas Good point. Hyperlinking saves a lot of words for me. #editorchat

[21:38:00] mhertz: @goodiesformom I’ll do what I can, but I’m still looking for more work, believe you me. Never-ending process. #editorchat

[21:38:01] LydiaBreakfast: Q5 where is the line drawn between writer, editor and community? Is it really good for writers if community writes content too? #editorchat

[21:38:14] rosefox: @anndouglas #editorchat That frustrates me so much! I’ve started thinking in hyperlinks. Printed text is confining now. #editorchat

[21:38:15] anndouglas: @jesshatchigan Jess, that #quote belongs in an #anthology of #quotes for #writers. #editorchat

[21:38:17] ErikSherman: @jennipps There’s the difference – it *is* my day job. #editorchat

[21:38:27] bob_bobala: RT @jesshatchigan There are only 26 letters in the alphabet. Put them together creatively and you’ve got the latest bestseller. #editorchat

[21:38:31] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Outstanding! That’s great to hear. #editorchat

[21:38:34] a2editor: @CMM_PR Agreed. B/c I’m an editor (like to get things right) I struggle w/ posting in a timely manner and being proud of my wk. #editorchat

[21:38:36] mathewi: RT @anndouglas: When I’m writing for print, I feel constrained because I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:38:47] KatPowers: RT@marciamarcia @anndouglas Heck, I feel constrained when I *read* print that I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:38:47] jennipps: @ErikSherman I’m trying to get to a point where it is mine. Making progress, but I’m not there yet. #editorchat

[21:38:48] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast Hey when did you work @ RH? I was at Crown from 96-02. Ad/promo, not editorial. #editorchat

[21:38:56] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Q5 The line is getting fuzzier all the time. #editorchat

[21:38:57] ErikSherman: @anndouglas #oy #editorchat

[21:38:58] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Mine too, for the last nearly ten years #editorchat

[21:39:02] solotraveler: RT @hotspringer: Oddly, a big chunk of creativity goes into marketing freelance work. #editorchat. sure does!

[21:39:19] marciamarcia: @jesshatchigan These days, for a bestseller, you often need to speak those 26 letters creatively too. #editorchat

[21:39:28] wordful: Hyperlinks are the currency of the web. #editorchat

[21:39:33] JDEbberly: RT @solotraveler: RT @hotspringer: Oddly, a big chunk of creativity goes into marketing freelance work. #editorchat. sure does!

[21:39:34] LydiaBreakfast: @debbieharry Just missed you then, 87-95 (#old) #editorchat

[21:39:55] jennipps: Q5 – Depends on the atmosphere fostered in the community. Was a member of 1 where it wasn’t good. Now a member of 1 where it is. #editorchat

[21:39:56] milehighfool: Q5: Finally to the community question. it’s the one that really bothers me. As the line gets fuzzy, the writer becomes optional. #editorchat

[21:39:58] mhertz: Q5 Excellent question, because I’m about to possibly take a job where that line will definitely blur. It’s a challenge. #editorchat

[21:40:08] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Q5: My background is science fiction/fantasy, where the writer/reader/community line always blurs… #editorchat

[21:40:10] shortformernie: @CMM_PR That’s my biggest constraint with ShortFormBlog. So I understand. #editorchat

[21:40:22] IrisJumbe: @LydiaBreakfast Lydia, are you asking if writers feel threatened by community writers? #editorchat

[21:40:27] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast One of the many meanings of life is for interaction between animals. #editorchat

[21:40:30] bob_bobala: Q5 I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:40:41] jesshatchigan: @anndouglas, thanks, Ann. You made my day (chat?) #editorchat

[21:40:48] a2editor: Q5 Community can produce great content, but the craft of the writing gets lost, and only the editors and writers notice. Sad. #editorchat

[21:40:48] jodifur: @JenniferPerillo oh yeah. Totally me #editorchat

[21:40:53] jennipps: RT @bob_bobala Q5 I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:40:57] Hergett: @SuburbNews If papers want to survive, they have to change how they connect with social media. And I’m all for survival! #editorchat

[21:40:59] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat …and I’m in favor of that blurring. More content means more need for editors and anthologists. #editorchat

[21:41:04] continuum_q5: RT @timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast One of the many meanings of life is for interaction between animals. #editorchat it all starts somewhere.

[21:41:10] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast Were you @ little random? We’ll have to play six degrees sometime. #editorchat

[21:41:17] gmarkham: @SuburbNews the efforts for small % of readers now will pay off as the mediascape continues to change. #editorchat

[21:41:23] bob_bobala: @milehighfool It’s not the writer becomes optional. It’s that everybody becomes a writer. #editorchat

[21:41:30] LydiaBreakfast: @rosefox very interesting, we have not explored this fully and may be a topic in an upcoming discussion #editorchat

[21:41:41] anndouglas: @jesshatchigan Happy to hear that, Jess. It was brilliant. Couldn’t let it go un-hashtagged! #editorchat

[21:41:44] timecommander: @jesshatchigan She is really right. It is quite the unforgettable quote. #editorchat

[21:42:03] sooutdoors: Q5 #editorchat this is a troublesome issue. I can see how editors can be seduced by community content, but I feel it’s short term thinking.

[21:42:05] mathewi: RT @bob_bobala: I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:42:10] mhertz: @rosefox More content also means, unfortunately, more reason for publishers to charge less for said content. #editorchat

[21:42:12] LydiaBreakfast: @debbieharry Special Markets (dealt with all the imprints including Childrens and Outlet) #editorchat

[21:42:12] JenniferPerillo: And so the gal from Brooklyn blabs but forgot to say hi. I’m food editor at Working Mother & a freelance recipe developer #editorchat.

[21:42:17] marciamarcia: @a2editor Persnickety readers (and we probably all have them), notice too. #editorchat

[21:42:25] Shelbow: RT @bob_bobala Q5 I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:42:31] ErikSherman: @bob_bobala When everyone writes, the business advantage, now as always, comes from doing it better than most competitors. #editorchat

[21:42:32] SuburbNews: @gmarkham That’s what I’m banking on (and my husb and kids #editorchat

[21:42:36] JDEbberly: RT @bob_bobala: I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:42:37] IrisJumbe: @ErikSherman That’s my belief, too, Erik. Always encouraging to have it reinforced by someone with a lot of experience #editorchat

[21:42:39] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat That would be great. I can go on about this for hours. *grin* #editorchat

[21:42:40] CMM_PR: Q5 Writers and editors are trained and adhere to Journalistic standards. But community is free form, w/o parameters – new. #editorchat

[21:42:40] bob_bobala: @a2editor I agree it’s harder, but good writers should stand out from the din. #editorchat

[21:42:43] timecommander: @mhertz More content means less quality content. #editorchat

[21:42:48] Hergett: @LydiaBreakfast We’re trying to find ways to integrate community bloggers/writers into our paper site. More voices=more readers. #editorchat

[21:42:50] Dramagirl: RT @jg_rat: Q2 Wish I had time to write. Too busy innovating ) #editorchat

[21:42:51] goodiesformom: @jennipps it is so true that often only writers/editors notice the bad but great writers still shine #editorchat

[21:42:53] a2editor: Q5 Community writers have a great opportunity to break into writing. Tough to stand out, tho… #editorchat

[21:42:56] wordful: RT @bob_bobala Q5 I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:43:00] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Interesting point. @rosefox’s idea, too. More content means more need for experts. #editorchat

[21:43:02] mhertz: @rosefox I meant to say “pay” less for said content. #editorchat

[21:43:08] anndouglas: @rosefox Very similar blurring of lines in pregnancy/parenting community. I also love it. #editorchat

[21:43:21] jennipps: RT @ErikSherman @bob_bobala When everyone writes, the business advantage, now as always, comes from doing it better than most #editorchat

[21:43:22] SuburbNews: #editorchat Q5: if it leads to more engaged, connected comm – & as long as citizen journos don’t replace all but a few paid journos – yes!

[21:43:37] LydiaBreakfast: @rosefox we’ll definitely have to connect on this one then – I’ll DM you for more info #editorchat

[21:43:38] ErikSherman: Sorry, didn’t introduce myself – freelance writer ,working in print, online, on stage, on demand, on deadline #editorchat

[21:43:45] bob_bobala: @timecommander Well, more content means it’s harder to find quality content, but there could actually be MORE quality out there. #editorchat

[21:43:47] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast i’m so tempted to start reeling off names, but i won’t. leave it for DMs! #editorchat

[21:43:51] IrisJumbe: @Shelbow Haha. Can’t argue with that. And I’m also with @littlebrownpen re: working in one’s PJ’s. So liberating #editorchat

[21:43:59] jesshatchigan: Q5 Writers are part of the community, but also observers/commentators – we wear 2 (3?) hats. #editorchat

[21:44:00] littlebrownpen: This all sounds very much like the business model for about.com cicra 2000. They were ahead of the game (I was an ed there). #editorchat

[21:44:16] rosefox: @mhertz #editorchat That assumes content is fungible. I disagree, and business plans with that assumption will fail. #editorchat

[21:44:26] wordful: @milehighfool more content indicates the value of the editor will surely rise on the web #editorchat

[21:44:40] marciamarcia: I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. via @bob_bobala #editorchat

[21:44:47] JDEbberly: RT @wordful: @milehighfool more content indicates the value of the editor will surely rise on the web #editorchat

[21:44:48] pam_baumeister: Hi all. I’ll be in and out here….but, wanted to introduce myself: I’m the editor/assoc. publisher of a woman’s magazine in UT #editorchat

[21:44:51] joecortez: Q5: Community Writers encourage communal discussion. But without editor, can also encourage misinformation. #editorchat

[21:44:53] jesshatchigan: RT @ErikSherman @bob_bobala When everyone writes, the business advantage, now as always, comes from doing it better than most #editorchat

[21:44:55] timecommander: @bob_bobala You have quite the optimistic view on life. #editorchat

[21:45:03] bob_bobala: @jennipps Yes, I really believe — at least where I work in technology — that content can be a differentiator. #editorchat

[21:45:07] littlebrownpen: About.com – Niche topic sites, community-driven content, non-professional writers with professional editors. Bought out by NYT. #editorchat

[21:45:08] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool More need for experts … but it takes a while for those who pay to recognize that need. #editorchat

[21:45:13] tamera: How do you fund & provide access/ sources for a Sy Hersh under a citizen journo/ different model? #editorchat

[21:45:16] a2editor: @wordful You’d think so, but pubs are laying off editors before writers b/c they need content producers to survive. #editorchat

[21:45:20] milehighfool: @pam_baumeister You finally made it. Welcome, Pam. #editorchat

[21:45:20] anndouglas: @bob_bobala I love it when someone who doesn’t consider himself/herself a writer emerges w/powerful voice. #editorchat

[21:45:27] pam_baumeister: RT @joecortez: Q5: Community Writers encourage communal discussion. But without editor, can also encourage misinformation. #editorchat

[21:45:32] CMM_PR: @bob_bobala A great point. There’s also the issue of content ownership. #editorchat

[21:45:35] Mike_Evans_: Sorry, didn’t introduce myself – freelance writer ,working in print, online, on stage, #editorchat

[21:45:58] JenniferPerillo: @JoeCortez Personally, I don’t work in PJs but get the feeling others do. Just saying…#editorchat

[21:46:00] pam_baumeister: Hi @littlebrownpen! My alter-ego is @wasatchwoman #editorchat

[21:46:01] bob_bobala: @timecommander Ha ha. If only you knew me. #editorchat

[21:46:03] anndouglas: bob_bobala It’s such a joy to witness the spontaneous birth of a writer. #editorchat

[21:46:05] wordful: @a2editor then maybe editors should become writers as well…at least for now! #editorchat

[21:46:06] littlebrownpen: RT @joecortez: Q5: Community Writers encourage communal discussion. But without editor, can also encourage misinformation. #editorchat

[21:46:06] LydiaBreakfast: Then shouldn’t the community have a designated space not to be confused with the professional writers? #editorchat

[21:46:06] mhertz: @rosefox I hope you’re right, because I hear about more and more “$10 for 1,000 word” models out there. #editorchat

[21:46:17] pam_baumeister: @milehighfool Thanks for the welcome! Good to be here – finally. #editorchat

[21:46:26] KBordessa: @littlebrownpen As a writer, though, I avoid About.com sites. Not everyone does though, I suppose. #editorchat

[21:46:39] a2editor: @wordful That’s exactly what I did, lol. #editorchat

[21:46:41] anndouglas: @bob_bobala It’s such a joy to witness the spontaneous birth of a writer. #editorchat

[21:46:51] BeckyDMBR: @a2editor Yes, publications have been cutting editors and fact-checkers for decades. It’s hurt the biz. #editorchat

[21:46:53] timecommander: @bob_bobala A ton of things are differentiators though. Design, community, etc. You can’t really boil it done to content, IMO. #editorchat

[21:46:56] pam_baumeister: @LydiaBreakfast I agree with you, Lydia. The community needs to feel they have a voice, too. I let comm writers write online. #editorchat

[21:47:02] bob_bobala: @CMM_PR Yes, content ownership is a big one. When I worked at Motley Fool, we owned everything you wrote in our community. #editorchat

[21:47:07] milehighfool: To me, the real threat of innovation comes with ignoring the tools and refusing to experiment. In that sense, community is fuel. #editorchat

[21:47:42] wordful: @LydiaBreakfast that’s a good point — designate professional writers from community writers #editorchat

[21:47:51] littlebrownpen: @KBordessa Absolutely agree. The quality of the content was horrible. I avoid the sites as well. The model failed, really. #editorchat

[21:47:54] timecommander: @milehighfool That’s a great point. The other threat is that it’s used opposite of it’s intention. #editorchat

[21:47:57] LydiaBreakfast: @pam_baumeister Hello there, glad you could join in #editorchat

[21:48:02] AdinaGenn: @jesshatchigan q5 now is partiuclarly interesting for those of us struglling w/writing about the economy #editorchat

[21:48:12] leanneclc: @KBordessa I don’t avoid any sites…just weigh their content appropriately and check facts as needed…good kernels everywhere #editorchat

[21:48:17] rosefox: @mhertz #editorchat Constant Content won’t replace the NY Times; Make won’t replace engineering journals. There’s room for all. #editorchat

[21:48:31] bob_bobala: @timecommander Yeah I agree that all those can make your site/product stand out. Just saying content can really play a part. #editorchat

[21:48:35] milehighfool: @mhertz I’m not so sure that’s professional writing. Content bricklaying, perhaps. #editorchat

[21:48:36] pam_baumeister: @JenniferPerillo Ha! Working in PJ’s is never good for me. I feel I have to get “made up” to work. Especially @ the office. #editorchat

[21:48:48] a2editor: @BeckyDMBR Yes w/out editors, many writers’ work isn’t a lot better than community (sorry): harder to see value in paid content. #editorchat

[21:49:01] SpecialDee: If you’re new to TweetDeck, you can follow #editorchat by doing a Search which creates its own column for that chat.

[21:49:13] bob_bobala: @rosefox @mhertz Amen. I hope that is true. #editorchat

[21:49:14] jennipps: @milehighfool Content bricklaying – Good analogy. #editorchat

[21:49:38] marciamarcia: I bristle over suggestion to separate “real writers” from community writers. Imagine if we did that for tech dev or leadership. #editorchat

[21:49:49] jesshatchigan: @AdinaGenn, Hi Adina – in what way re Q5? #editorchat

[21:49:51] leanneclc: Isn’t writing kind of like running? You would do it anyway, because you can’t not (don’t tell those who pay you that, tho) #editorchat

[21:49:51] pam_baumeister: @a2editor I agree. Most community writers really need a good editor. Sadly, not all of them learn to self-edit. #editorchat

[21:49:52] IrisJumbe: RT @leanneclc I don’t avoid any sites. just weigh their content appropriately & check facts as needed. good kernels everywhere #editorchat

[21:49:56] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool Love it – “content bricklaying.” #editorchat

[21:49:59] mhertz: @milehighfool Content bricklaying. Nice. Sounds glamorous, no? #editorchat

[21:50:01] BeckyDMBR: @a2editor Yes, I’m seeing that a lot now. #editorchat

[21:50:06] anndouglas: RT @marciamarcia Heck, I feel constrained when I *read* print that I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:50:09] CMM_PR: @LydiaBreakfast Designating community vs professional writers could impact the perceived value of content. #editorchat

[21:50:31] ErikSherman: @a2editor Must agree – last time I did some significant editing, I was appalled at how copy came in. #editorchat

[21:50:33] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful I write because I can get paid to write. #editorchat

[21:50:41] bob_bobala: @pam_baumeister Ha. I know a lot of “writer” writers who don’t self-edit and need to. #editorchat

[21:50:52] MonroeOnABudget: RT @anndouglas When I’m writing for print, I feel constrained because I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat *OMG I’ve felt that way too at times.

[21:51:03] pam_baumeister: @marciamarcia I don’t think we need to divide out “real writers,” from community writers. They need training/mentoring, though. #editorchat

[21:51:23] timecommander: Q6: How has editing made a difference to your writing skills? #editorchat

[21:51:24] jesshatchigan: @leanneclc. amen and shhhh. My lips are sealed. #editorchat

[21:51:24] BeckyDMBR: @ErikSherman I used to edit lawyers, so I’m not sure I’d be terribly surprised. Would I? #editorchat

[21:51:24] gmarkham: @Wordful I think the pros will stand out; rather than separate them, help those in community who want to be journos (not all do) #editorchat

[21:51:34] bob_bobala: @CMM_PR I think this really comes into play when subject matter experts are involved, like on taxes with TurboTax commmunity. #editorchat

[21:51:40] jlcommunication: @LydiaBreakfast Just joining in but what separates professional from com. writer? What if com is better then ‘pro’ #editorchat

[21:51:42] pam_baumeister: @bob_bobala I know a lot of those same “writer” writers. I usually don’t use them more than twice in my pub. #editorchat

[21:51:42] AdinaGenn: @jesshatchigan meant to say writers r struggling w. the economy and writing about those struggling w. economy too #editorchat

[21:52:13] milehighfool: @marciamarcia Yes, but there is a difference between a well-researched article and a $5 rant. I want publishers to see that. #editorchat

[21:52:29] bob_bobala: @pam_baumeister Amen, sister. Writers, take note! #editorchat

[21:52:37] LydiaBreakfast: @jlcommunication I didn’t say they should be separated, it was a question for others to answer how they handle at their own pubs #editorchat

[21:52:39] JDEbberly: @QuickenPRChels I might just have to post that nugget on Twitter! #editorchat

[21:52:42] wordful: @gmarkham yeah, HuffPo does this. They have a ton of guest bloggers. #editorchat

[21:52:55] ErikSherman: @BeckyDMBR Oh, that had to be interesting. #editorchat

[21:52:56] jennipps: @milehighfool I would hope that they do, but, of course, no guarantees. #editorchat

[21:52:57] anndouglas: RT @marciamarcia “I bristle over suggestion to separate “real writers” from community writers. [strongly agree: it's rude] #editorchat

[21:52:58] joecortez: Q6: Editing forces me to take a second look: this makes me acknowledge my shortcomings, so I don’t repeat. Result: efficiency! #editorchat

[21:53:27] pam_baumeister: @jlcommunication good question. RT: what separates professional from community writer? What if com is better then ‘pro’ #editorchat

[21:53:28] jennipps: My computer hiccuped & had to restart Firefox. Can someone RT Q6 please? #editorchat

[21:53:41] karasw: RT @rosefox That frustrates me so much! I’ve started thinking in hyperlinks. Printed text is confining now. #editorchat

[21:53:43] ErikSherman: @milehighfool No, you want the publisher to see it and to care. The problem is that many don’t. #editorchat

[21:53:50] jlcommunication: @LydiaBreakfast Sorry. As I said, late to game. #editorchat

[21:54:11] pam_baumeister: @joecortez So true. I’ve learned so much as an editor. I can’t say that my writing is perfect, but I’ve learned what not to do. #editorchat

[21:54:12] marciamarcia: @laurakratochvil “Real writers write for the community.” Exactly. Thank you. #editorchat

[21:54:21] leanneclc: Then would “real” writers be like “real” artists? Only those who get paid are “real”? Hmmm history disagrees #editorch

[21:54:23] milehighfool: Killjoy warning: seven minutes left. Re-introduce yourself and post a link beginning at 9:55 pm. #editorchat

[21:54:36] SpecialDee: Do you think citizen journalism is the appropriate phrase for writers not employed by a news agency? #editorchat

[21:54:37] LydiaBreakfast: @jlcommunication no prob, just wanted to clarify for the others who thought it was a stance and not a question #editorchat

[21:54:40] JDEbberly: RT @marciamarcia: @laurakratochvil “Real writers write for the community.” Exactly. Thank you. #editorchat

[21:54:48] a2editor: @pam_baumeister If com is better than pro, they should be noticed and given a staff position. #editorchat

[21:54:57] jesshatchigan: @AdinaGenn, that is a good point. Thank you. #editorchat

[21:54:58] hotspringer: Generally, good writing proceeds from clear thinking. Good editing helps a writer think more so the reader has to think less. #editorchat

[21:55:14] jennipps: I try to self-edit. Will be going to a workshop on it at the end of the month, so that should help me out. #editorchat

[21:55:14] goodiesformom: @pam_baumeister I learn so much more from editing and I think it has made me a much better writer. #editorchat

[21:55:23] littlebrownpen: Q6: I learned how to write much better thanks to a great (mean! tough! thorough!) editor. #editorchat

[21:55:35] joecortez: @pam_baumeister I’m still learning from editors present and past — some of them the best I know have been non-pro grammar cops! #editorchat

[21:55:36] a2editor: @pam_baumeister Note I said “should.” There are great writers not being paid anything. #editorchat

[21:55:37] wordful: RT @laurakratochvil “Real writers write for the community.” That pretty much sums that up….great stuff #editorchat

[21:55:42] bob_bobala: @pam_baumeister @jlcommunication If community is better than the pro, hire the community. #editorchat

[21:55:49] BeckyDMBR: @ErikSherman Yeah, I drank a lot. #editorchat

[21:55:53] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Good point. And, as it happens, some of these publishers chalk up not caring to Innovation. #editorchat

[21:55:57] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Killjoy warning: seven minutes left. Re-introduce yourself and post a link beginning at 9:55 pm. #editorchat

[21:56:08] jesshatchigan: RT @hotspringer …. Good editing helps a writer think more so the reader has to think less. #editorchat

[21:56:12] IrisJumbe: Q6 I’ve always self-edited. Even b4 it was my job. It makes me conscious of space & helps keep the language succinct. #editorchat

[21:56:17] CMM_PR: @pam_baumeister A great quality of community is the newness of their approach to to the medium. Distinction from J’s is easy 2 c #editorchat

[21:56:20] SpecialDee: Special Sections editor of Maine newspaper http://specialdee.wordpress.com Great conversation tonight! #editorchat

[21:56:21] mhertz: Q6: As an editor (and copy editor), it takes me that much longer to write because I’m always editing (and copy editing) myself! #editorchat

[21:56:28] pam_baumeister: @a2editor Yes! Or, given regular writing assignments. I have lots of comm writers who think b/c they blog, they can write. #editorchat

[21:56:36] JenniferPerillo: RT @hotspringer: Good writing proceeds from clear thinking. Good editing helps a writer think more so reader has to think less. #editorchat

[21:56:40] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful What does HuffPo do? #editorchat

[21:56:41] AdinaGenn: @jesshatchigan especially as a freelance writer, chasing down invoices and looking for assignments is an art! #editorchat

[21:56:53] Hergett: RT @hotspringer Good writing proceeds from clear thinking Good editing helps a writer think more so the reader has to think less #editorchat

[21:56:59] marciamarcia: @milehighfool From a publisher’s perspective, a $5 rant can be more valuable. That’s what seems unfortunate. #editorchat

[21:57:06] LydiaBreakfast: @IrisJumbe Me too! #editorchat

[21:57:10] a2editor: Laura Cowan, freelance editor and writer working in book publishing and automotive media. Nice to see you all! Great topics. #editorchat

[21:57:14] leanneclc: So jealous of you who have had the ability to do one or the other…always worked for small companies, did both simultaneously #editorchat

[21:57:15] ErikSherman: @milehighfool It’s back to thinking of writing as content and, ironically, focusing more on the business than the audience. #editorchat

[21:57:18] littlebrownpen: Agree. Good writing = good thinking. Training not always relevant. #editorchat

[21:57:20] konadad: RT @littlebrownpen: Q6: I learned how to write much better thanks to a great (mean! tough! thorough!) editor. #editorchat

[21:57:22] CMM_PR: A blogger does not a writer make! #editorchat

[21:57:23] anndouglas: @leanneclc Agree. Some of the best writing I’ve done has been in support of causes I believe in. Not always $ involved. #editorchat

[21:57:36] jesshatchigan: @jennipps @milehighfool Content bricklaying – Good analogy. #editorchat ~have worked w engineers. Agree re good analogy.

[21:57:39] pam_baumeister: @joecortez Oh! I know! Those that can coach you on your grammar are the best editors. I owe a lot to some of my early editors. #editorchat

[21:57:39] JenniferPerillo: Ok, really need to get off twitter. The Mr. is getting cranky. Will catch last mins of #editorchat in the AM.

[21:57:41] wordful: @BeckyDMBR They have several contributing writers/bloggers. #editorchat

[21:57:55] LydiaBreakfast: OK tweeps time to reintroduce and send us your links #editorchat

[21:58:23] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo reintroduce yourself and send links #editorchat

[21:58:33] jlcommunication: @CMM_PR But can a writer also blog? #editorchat

[21:58:33] KatPowers: @marciamarcia I find I need the $5 rant to set me off on an investigation. That helps my work #editorchat

[21:58:41] JenniferPerillo: And for the record folks, I’m at the “office” dressed everyday. Just posed the PJ scenario b/c you know it’s happening! #editorchat

[21:58:41] SuburbNews: #editorchat Another question might be: what level of writing do readers want? Do they want citizen or pro-style? What if former?

[21:58:46] pam_baumeister: @CMM_PR True. Community writer’s can bring a freshness to a publication that seasoned writers sometimes lose. #editorchat

[21:58:54] a2editor: @pam_baumeister Now that’s a big topic to discuss in itself… #editorchat

[21:59:06] jennipps: Jen Nipps, fl writer in south Oklahoma. Contributor at TutorialBlog (www.tutorialblog.org/author/jen-nipps) Next article due Fri #editorchat

[21:59:08] CMM_PR: @jlcommunication Absolutely! #editorchat

[21:59:10] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful That’s about all they have. I believe HuffPo has 2000+ unpaid bloggers. #editorchat

[21:59:15] ErikSherman: Freelance covering business, technology, food, arts, and a few other things: www.eriksherman.com #editorchat

[21:59:16] wordful: Charles here…editor, writer and blogger. Very deflated today thanks to the IRS. More up to par next week on #editorchat

[21:59:18] JDEbberly: RT Oh! I know! Those that can coach you on your grammar are the best editors. I owe lot to some of my early editors #editorchat

[21:59:25] rosefox: #editorchat Rose Fox, PW book reviews editor, freelance medical journalist. Great talking with you! http://rosejasperfox.com #editorchat

[21:59:36] KBordessa: RT pam_baumeister @CMM_PR True. Community writer’s can bring a freshness to a publication that seasoned writers sometimes lose. #editorchat

[21:59:36] joecortez: @CMM_PR Blogger and Writer can be mutually exclusive — But not necessarily. Depends on the skill and ability of the wizard. #editorchat

[21:59:40] LydiaBreakfast: You are all welcome to continue the discusson at editorchat.wordpress.com but we’ve got to close shop here #editorchat

[21:59:46] pam_baumeister: RT: @CMM_PR A blogger does not a writer make! — If I had a dime for every blogger who has pitched me to write a column… #editorchat

[21:59:48] SuburbNews: #editorchat Of course, I don’t mean hard-hitting watchdog, investigations. But for other “news” is our writing style out of date? Q only

[21:59:48] JDEbberly: JD Ebberly. I write about blogging & New Media. I’ll update you on the same and much more at —> @JDEbberly #editorchat

[21:59:53] JenniferPerillo: @JenniferPerillo: Good night from Jennifer in Bklyn, NY. See ya at http://www.InJenniesKitchen.com! #editorchat

[22:00:03] leanneclc: @CMM_PR but a paid writer does not a “real” writer make either. Many bloggers have a long history in “professional writing” #edit

[22:00:03] unearthingasia: just joining #editorchat in time for.. reintroduction? did I miss the whole chat? Nik here, Editor for http://twurl.nl/4hus7r

[22:00:08] wordful: @BeckyDMBR well somebody is making money there… #editorchat

[22:00:09] mhertz: I’m Marc – freelance writer/editor/copy editor in SF Bay Area. Find me on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/b3/555 #editorchat

[22:00:10] milehighfool: @rosefox Thanks for joining, Rose. Engaging points. #editorchat

[22:00:12] ErikSherman: ‘Night, all. #editorchat

[22:00:15] IrisJumbe: RT @littlebrownpen: Good writing = good thinking. Training not always relevant. #editorchat [me: Agreed. but it can be useful too ]

[22:00:16] littlebrownpen: Nichole Robertson, freelance writer. I also blog about my excursions to Paris here: http://littlebrownpen.blogspot.com/ #editorchat

[22:00:24] Mike_Evans_: How do I get the schedule for future editor chats #editorchat

[22:00:40] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for another great chat! Becky in Iowa … #editorchat

[22:00:40] mhertz: Thanks for the chat, everyone. Interesting discussions as always. #editorchat

[22:00:44] BaileyMcC: Bailey… writer/consultant/editor, etc. Managing Editor at www.civsourceonline.com #editorchat

[22:00:45] LydiaBreakfast: @mhertz Thanks for coming #editorchat

[22:00:45] JDEbberly: Thank you very much @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast for yet another SUPERB Editorchat! Look foward 2 next week! #editorchat

[22:00:53] timecommander: Hey. I’m Dan Miranda, the thirteen year old writer, blogger and editor. I hope you check out commandyourtime.com today! #editorchat

[22:00:55] joecortez: Thanks for the chat! I’m Joe Cortez: freelance journalist, writer, video producer/reporter. Follow me here; website coming soon. #editorchat

[22:01:06] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Night, thanks for coming #editorchat

[22:01:18] pam_baumeister: I might add that @littlebrownpen is funny and witty…I’ve read her stuff. #editorchat

[22:01:18] JDEbberly: @Mike_Evans_ Editorchat convenes on Wed nights from 830pm to 10pm EST #editorchat

[22:01:21] milehighfool: @Mike_Evans_ Please see editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[22:01:21] jlcommunication: Intro: Former journ and journ teacher. Now freelance copywrite, p.r., journ – and yes I blog. www.jalcommunication.com #editorchat

[22:01:24] sooutdoors: #editorchat Good night all, great topics as always drop in a visit me at http://www.sooutdoors.ca

[22:01:24] jennipps: @Mike_Evans_ Topics & transcripts are posted at http://editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[22:01:30] LydiaBreakfast: @Mike_Evans_ editorchat.wordpress.com has all the info and transcripts #editorchat

[22:01:32] goodiesformom: Lois Whittaker, newsletter editor/marketing by day – blogger by night http://www.goodiesformom.com #editorchat

[22:01:34] wordful: @timecommander you’ve got such a cool and intriguing Twitter name #editorchat

[22:01:35] a2editor: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Thanks for your work putting together the chat, topics, etc. Always nice to see you. #editorchat

[22:01:37] bob_bobala: Thanks, Tweeps. Bob Bobala, writer/editor at TurboTax, formerly at Motley Fool. Also publish at http://exitstrategypress.com/ #editorchat

[22:01:39] LydiaBreakfast: @joecortez Thanks Joe #editorchat

[22:01:40] MudslideMama: @Mike_Evans_ It’s always this time, this place (the lurker speaks!) #editorchat

[22:01:47] paradisekitten: Really enjoyed the comments and chat tonight! Thanks all! http://coffeeomancy.blogspot.com/ #editorchat

[22:01:47] marciamarcia: @pam_baumeister Agree “spontaneous writers” (new fave moniker) benefit from mentoring, training & editing. So do pros. #editorchat

[22:01:49] BeckyDMBR: @wordful Yes. The owner/publisher. #editorchat

[22:01:49] pam_baumeister: I guess funny and witty could arguably mean the same thing…nicely done, Editor girl. #editorchat

[22:02:07] Hergett: Rachel Hergett, Bozeman, MT, editor by hiring, writer by choice, www.dailychronicle.com. Good night all. Back to work. #editorchat

[22:02:12] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Thanks for joining us #editorchat

[22:02:19] jennipps: Thanks to @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for their wonderful hosting. #editorchat

[22:02:44] SuburbNews: Thanks for interesting #editorchat – best to everyone

[22:02:48] milehighfool: @a2editor Thanks, Laura. Glad you could make it. Thanks to everyone for participating. #editorchat

[22:02:54] timecommander: @wordful Thanks! I actually planned using it a long time and never got around to it. It was strictly a marketing decision. #editorchat

[22:02:56] anndouglas: Ann Douglas, author, blogger, columnist etc http://anndouglas.typepad.com/blogs/ Thx @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool #editorchat

[22:02:57] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps thanks for coming #editorchat

[22:03:10] rosefox: RT @jennipps Thanks to @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for their wonderful hosting. #editorchat #editorchat

[22:03:11] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Night #editorchat

[22:03:12] pam_baumeister: @marciamarcia like the moniker. And, I’m following you. #editorchat

[22:03:13] joecortez: jennipps: RT @jennipps Thanks to @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for their wonderful hosting. #editorchat

[22:03:13] jesshatchigan: Thank you and good night from Jess in Ann Arbor, MI – www.hatchigan.com Great chat tonight. #editorchat

[22:03:14] hotspringer: Rebecca McCormick, freelance travel journalist and feature writer. http://tinyurl.com/RebMcC #editorchat

[22:03:14] jennipps: I’ve got to work on my next TutorialBlog article, so I will see everyone next week and on Twitter in the meantime. #editorchat

[22:03:25] LydiaBreakfast: @anndouglas Thanks for coming Ann #editorchat

[22:03:28] IrisJumbe: I’m a writer/editor currently burrowing away in Shanghai. My blog: http://www.artonym.com. Thx 4 the chat & tips, everyone #editorchat

[22:03:40] LydiaBreakfast: @jesshatchigan Night Jess #editorchat

[22:03:41] pam_baumeister: Q: When is working with a “diva” writer worth it and when do you cut them loose? #editorchat

[22:03:42] jlcommunication: @timecommander Power of the internet is that Dan has ability to find audience and publish in ways I couldn’t fathom at his age. #editorchat

[22:03:43] frankspencer: RT @marciamarcia: If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[22:04:00] LydiaBreakfast: @IrisJumbe Thanks Shanghai Iris #editorchat

[22:04:06] jesshatchigan: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast, thank you for hosting #editorchat

[22:04:31] bob_bobala: @pam_baumeister When do you cut the diva loose? 10 minutes ago, Pam. #editorchat

[22:04:41] LydiaBreakfast: All, please feel free to post comments and further questions on editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[22:04:49] milehighfool: @jesshatchigan @anndouglas ‘Night Jess, Ann. #editorchat

[22:04:54] a2editor: @jesshatchigan I’m also in Ann Arbor. Small world. Nice chatting with you. #editorchat

[22:05:43] jacksonp2008: What is #editorchat

[22:05:45] milehighfool: @joecortez Thanks, Joe. We appreciate it. #editorchat

[22:05:46] timecommander: @jlcommunication I hope you find yourself enjoying some posts on there. Feel free to leave a comment or two. #editorchat

[22:06:25] pam_baumeister: @bob_bobala I’m such a sap, Bob. I hate to hurt people…especially strong female writers. You’re giving me courage. #editorchat

[22:06:41] Hergett: RT @bob_bobala @pam_baumeister When do you cut the diva loose? 10 minutes ago, Pam. #editorchat

[22:06:47] IrisJumbe: @LydiaBreakfast Thank you, Lydia #editorchat

[22:06:58] jennipps: @JEFletcher I most definitely agree, on all counts but especially the last. Join us for #editorchat next week?

[22:07:00] LydiaBreakfast: Good night all and thanks so much for a wonderful chat, Lydia Dishman freelance biz journalist, lbdcommunications.blogspot.com #editorchat

[22:07:09] marciamarcia: Marcia Conner: Writer, editor, social media & learning strategist. www.marciaconner.com. Love learning from #editorchat

[22:07:27] pam_baumeister: @timecommander You look like you’re twelve. no offense. #editorchat

[22:07:32] jlcommunication: @timecommander Send your link again. I’m a former journ teacher and very excited to see young writers doing what you are. #editorchat

[22:07:36] KatPowers: Happy to stumble on #editorchat. In the real world, I’ve run out of teachers who can tolerate me. Not here

[22:08:16] milehighfool: ‘Night all. Great chat, as always. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, Quicken.com blogger, timbeyers dot com #editorchat

[22:08:32] timecommander: @pam_baumeister HA! I blame it on the short hair-cut. Even so, doesn’t it make it that much more impressive? #editorchat

[22:09:03] timecommander: @jlcommunication commandyourtime.com I’m happy to hear. #editorchat

[22:09:25] SpecialDee: @LydiaBreakfast Thank you for the #editorchat tonight.

[22:10:10] tracymueller: Oooh, just noticed the #editorchat hashtag for the first time. Might have to check that out next week.

[22:10:15] konadad: @pam_baumeister Working with a diva writer is worth it only if the final product benefits the reader. #editorchat

[22:10:34] pam_baumeister: @timecommander Yeah. I am truly impressed if you are indeed twelve. #editorchat

[22:10:51] anndouglas: @BeckyDMBR I always assumed those bloggers were paid. #editorchat

[22:10:56] shirleybrady: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Hi Lydia & Tim – Looks like an interesting #editorchat tonight (caught tail-end of Q5) – sorry I missed!

[22:11:20] timecommander: @pam_baumeister As opposed to me actually being thirteen? #editorchat

[22:11:58] pam_baumeister: @konadad I guess so. But, if I have to make adjustments to when a story comes out, it never sits well w/ the diva. Painful 4 me. #editorchat

[22:12:06] continuum_q5: RT @timecommander: @pam_baumeister As opposed to me actually being thirteen? #editorchat it’s not about age it’s maturity;-)

[22:12:36] UTBubble: RT @pam_baumeister: Q: When is working w/ a “diva” writer worth it & when do u cut them loose? #editorchat NEVER & SOON-I’ve been th

[22:12:41] pam_baumeister: @timecommander Well…that’s impressive, too. I’m curious about what brings you to #editorchat #editorchat

[22:12:49] shortformernie: I fell off the wagon, but It was a good chat tonight guys. #editorchat

[22:12:56] ErikSherman: RT @anndouglas … heard today – some mega-bookstores want online video content for certain types book to stock title. #editorchat

[22:13:22] shortformernie: Ernie @shortformblog (http://shortformblog.com/), see you all next week! #editorchat

[22:13:51] konadad: @pam_baumeister Yes, but the diva works for you — not the other way around. Tough, I know. #editorchat

[22:14:09] leanneclc: Another great #editorchat tonight. Really smart people, really good questions. Thank you all.

[22:14:19] timecommander: @pam_baumeister Wordful.com brought me here in literal sense…but seriously I edit for my middle school newspaper. #editorchat

[22:15:07] continuum_q5: @timecommander got to start somewhere #editorchat

[22:15:27] pam_baumeister: @konadad Good point. Thanks for the pep talk. I CAN do this! #editorchat

[22:16:05] pam_baumeister: @timecommander Smart kid. Good for you to be part of this community of writers/editors. #editorchat

[22:16:23] jlcommunication: @timecommander @pam_baumeister Dan’s perfect example of democratization of writing. The talent will rise to the top. #editorchat

[22:16:24] timecommander: @shortformernie Let me just say that I took one look at your blog… and it’s absolute gold. #editorchat

[22:17:26] JDEbberly: @timecommander I’m following you and I will Tweet one of your blog articles tonight! GOOD JOB!! #editorchat

[22:17:59] timecommander: @pam_baumeister Thanks. I plan on writing/editing taking me far in life, why not start early. #editorchat

[22:19:03] timecommander: @JDEbberly Thanks! Hope you like the site. #editorchat

[22:21:04] JDEbberly: @timecommander Your blog is really interesting, I’m subscribing to it now in Google Reader and look forward to more! #editorchat

[22:21:43] pam_baumeister: @jlcommunication True. Talent does rise to the top in this industry. That rise takes time, work and lots of patience, though. #editorchat

[22:21:52] a2editor: Srsly? There’s a carchat too? How can I choose between my beloved #editorchat and #carchat? Like a choice betwn peppermint and M&M cupcakes.

[22:22:02] hotspringer: @JenniferPerillo Thanks for the RT. Good to see you at #editorchat.

[22:22:39] pam_baumeister: @timecommander I’ll watch for your feature in Time Mag. ;o) Go for it! #editorchat

[22:23:09] joecortez: @pam_baumeister + @jlcommunication Agreed — talent is the result of hard work and dedication. How bad do you want it? #editorchat

[22:23:46] hotspringer: @JDEbberly Appreciated your input to #editorchat tonight. Thanks for the RT.

[22:24:28] michaelbanovsky: RT @a2editor: Srsly? There’s a carchat too? How can I choose between #editorchat n #carchat? Like a choice betwn peppermint and M&M cupcakes

[22:25:10] timecommander: @joecortez I’ll assume that question is directed toward me. How bad do I want it? I won’t stop writing. #editorchat

[22:25:23] Hergett: I meet the best tweeps at #editorchat

[22:25:53] shirleybrady: @timecommander You’re in middle school? And on #editorchat? Welcome (though likely have shoes older than you!) Will check out your blog

[22:26:32] joecortez: @timecommander It was a rhetorical question, but good answer — that drive will take you far – just hold on for dear life! #editorchat

[22:26:40] KBordessa: @leanneclc Good kernels everywhere, yes – but my patience is limited! #editorchat

[22:27:24] SuburbNews: @a2editor You are too funny about the carchat! Glad to meet you. #editorchat

[22:27:49] timecommander: @shirleybrady We have quite the funny one in you shirley. Hope you enjoy. #editorchat

[22:28:25] a2editor: @SuburbNews Nice to meet you too. See you next week? #editorchat

[22:28:53] wendyperrin: Did I miss #editorchat yet again?!

[22:29:32] The_Economy: oooh i stumbled upon #editorchat. wonder if they can give me directions to #economychat. we must be in similar neighborhoods. #economy

[22:29:36] timecommander: @wendyperrin Oh, Wendy, you missed out. The discussion that goes on in these parts are extraordinary. #editorchat

[20:01:22] milehighfool: Welcome, editorchatters. Rules coming. Please introduce yourself as you join. #editorchat

[20:01:23] LydiaBreakfast: No. 2. Stay on topic #editorchat

[20:01:53] sooutdoors: #editorchat good evening all, Lloyd here from Southern Ontario Outdoors – freelance writer & author.

[20:02:10] wordful: Aloha, Charles of Wordful here…my second time here…. I love this time of week #editorchat

[20:02:17] LydiaBreakfast: No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT – We are trying to dialogue, no hecklers. Thx #editorchat

[20:02:40] milehighfool: @sooutdoors Evening Llloyd. Glad you could make it again. #editorchat

[20:02:42] TMFZahrim: Hello, Anders Bylund of Fool.com and arstechnica.com here. 100% writer and tech geek. #editorchat

[20:02:51] jenwillis: #editorchat Hello from Portland! I’m a freelance writer specializing in sustainability and spirituality.

[20:02:55] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast The “no hecklers” is a good addition. #editorchat

[20:03:08] LydiaBreakfast: Welcome everyone Hope you all had a chance to peek at the questions. #editorchat

[20:03:32] LydiaBreakfast: @wordful Hi Charles, thanks for coming #editorchat

[20:03:33] stephauteri: Hey there. This is Steph, a writer specializing in relationships, sex, and all that good stuff. Blogger over at Nerve.com. #editorchat

[20:03:39] wordful: BTW http://editorchat.wordpress.com/ freezes my Chrome browser #editorchat

[20:03:45] LydiaBreakfast: @jenwillis Glad you could join us #editorchat

[20:03:55] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Hey! Becky from Iow-ay’s here! #editorchat

[20:04:01] LydiaBreakfast: @stephauteri Ms Auteri, welcome #editorchat

[20:04:13] milehighfool: Good to see everyone. Hi Jen, Anders, Steph, Charles. #editorchat

[20:04:20] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR She made it! #editorchat

[20:04:33] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR Welcome back, Becky. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:04:41] anndouglas: Going to participate in #editorchat May be a bit chatty.

[20:04:49] JMegonigal: Jordana, editor in Upstate S.C. here #editorchat

[20:04:58] jennipps: Howdy from south Oklahoma. Jen, freelance writer, contributor for TutorialBlog.org and WritingForDollars.com. #editorchat

[20:05:45] milehighfool: @anndouglas @JMegonigal: Hi Ann, Jordana. #editorchat

[20:05:58] edwardboches: marketer, creativ director and journalism, magazine, newspaper fan joining, hope OK, tried to contribute ideas last week #editorchat

[20:05:59] anti9to5guide: Hi everyone. Michelle Goodman, Seattle freelance writer/author focused on career articles at the moment. #editorchat

[20:06:06] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Hi Jen #editorchat

[20:06:08] kitchenMage: Going to follow @jenwillis over to #editorchat

[20:06:22] RayBeckerman: RT @TMFZahrim: Hello, Anders Bylund of Fool.com and arstechnica.com here. 100% writer and tech geek. #editorchat

[20:06:35] tweditor: Hi everyone. I’m Charmaine Cooper Hussain, a high-tech freelance editor dabbling in business/Web content a bit. #editorchat

[20:06:56] anndouglas: Hi everyone. Great to be back again. #editorchat

[20:07:05] LydiaBreakfast: I’ll give everyone a few more minutes to meet and greet before we begin. #editorchat

[20:07:13] mariaelenaduron: Maria Elena, editor-Personal Branding Blog; asst. editor -YOUnique; columnist-The National NetWorker + PersonalBranding Mag+more #editorchat

[20:07:20] gmarkham: mark hamilton, journalism instructor in Vancouver. will be dropping in and out #editorchat

[20:07:55] milehighfool: @gmarkham Welcome back, Mark. #editorchat

[20:08:15] anndouglas: I’m Ann Douglas. Blogger @torontostar + @yahoo Canada ; mag columnist @conceive ; freelance writer; author. #editorchat

[20:08:21] gmarkham: @milehighfool thanks, and hello to all #editorchat

[20:08:23] LydiaBreakfast: Hello Ann, Maria, and Mark. Welcome! #editorchat

[20:08:24] JDEbberly: Sorry I am late to Editorchat folks…. #editorchat

[20:08:37] TMFZahrim: O noes, fail whale! #editorchat

[20:08:45] milehighfool: If you haven’t yet, please take a look at the topic at editorchat.wordpress.com. #editorchat

[20:08:51] kitchenMage: Hi from one of the tiniest towns in WA state. I’m Beth Sheresh, writer, photog, cookbook author. I write about food. (ex-tech). #editorchat

[20:09:08] wordful: For all on Twitter, I learned last time that it’s more efficient to use TweetChat (tweetchat.com) for this #editorchat

[20:09:18] JDEbberly: I apologize to my followers as I Tweet more than usual as I enter Editorchat, for the next 85 minutes #editorchat

[20:09:23] milehighfool: Innovation is tonight’s theme. We’ll get to questions after everyone has a chance to introduce themselves. #editorchat

[20:09:35] LydiaBreakfast: So, the intro to this week is the Pew study that found writers of online content are more optimistic than their print peers. #editorchat

[20:09:52] JDEbberly: Hello! I’m JD Ebberly from N VA. I write pieces on blogging & new media #editorchat

[20:10:11] wordful: @LydiaBreakfast that seems reasonable to believe #editorchat

[20:10:17] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast Amen to that! #editorchat #editorchat

[20:10:36] dawnologue: @kitchenMage What is #editorchat???

[20:10:37] jennipps: Good to see everyone tonight! #editorchat

[20:11:00] milehighfool: @wordful You know, you’d think so, but we’re wondering why. The implications are large. #editorchat

[20:11:02] NitaBe: nitabe, freelancewriter from South East Oklahoma #editorchat

[20:11:10] jennipps: @dawnologue Check out http://editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[20:11:14] MikeLizun: Mike Lizun, Media Relations, Philly, former journ. Here to learn. #editorchat

[20:11:22] edwardboches: there is so much doom and gloom coverage and prediction about print journalism, not a surprise that online more positive #editorchat

[20:11:30] anndouglas: Love the topic! I have different experiences in different blogging environments. Will have lots to contribute. #editorchat

[20:11:35] milehighfool: @NitaBe Welcome, glad you could join us. #editorchat

[20:11:37] LydiaBreakfast: What are the necessary innovations writers and editors must make to produce profitable business models. #editorchat

[20:11:38] JDEbberly: RT @jennipps: @dawnologue Check out http://editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[20:11:45] kitchenMage: @dawnologue read this: http://editorchat.wordpress.com/ Then post and read the editorchat tag for discussion. #editorchat

[20:11:54] stephauteri: p.s. to my followers. I’m participating in #editorchat tonight, so feel free to either ignore me or join! #editorchat

[20:12:58] jenwillis: I just hope the optimism for online is well-deserved. #editorchat

[20:13:08] jennipps: @NitaBe Yay! You made it! (I was reading elsewhere & missed you come in.) #editorchat

[20:13:19] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: What are the necessary innovations writers and editors must make to produce profitable business models. #editorchat

[20:13:24] JMegonigal: @milehighfool Could it be stress of no revenue generation? Or barrage of people constantly telling you that ur in a dying prof? #editorchat

[20:13:30] edwardboches: new outlets for content. go where audience is. create more multiplatform experiences. involve reader even more. #editorchat

[20:13:38] anndouglas: I found myself constrained by a model that didn’t work as a blogger at yahoocanada. (Rules have become less rigid.) #editorchat

[20:13:44] TMFZahrim: RT Q1: What are the necessary innovations writers and editors must make to produce profitable business models. #editorchat

[20:14:12] tweditor: If there’s a journalist out there who knows how to be profitable online, they’re being really discreet about it. #editorchat

[20:14:16] JDEbberly: RT @maantren: RT @milehighfool: Are we all members of the media now? An #editorchat commentary: http://bit.ly/18McaH (Thanks again to @J …

[20:14:17] milehighfool: @JMegonigal It absolutely could. I’m sure newspaper reporters are tired of hearing it. I would be, too. #editorchat

[20:14:27] jennipps: Q1 – I think I was doing that & didn’t realize it when applying to more online markets than print, like TutorialBlog #editorchat

[20:14:32] wordful: be more personal and real, hustle and apply editorial standards — I’m referring to blogging #editorchat

[20:14:51] mobienthusiast: #editorchat is live, talk to editors and journalists, topics here: http://editorchat.wordpress.com/

[20:14:55] jimmcbee: a little tweeting, mostly cooking: Jim McBee, http://smartnewsnc.com just went live today. #editorchat

[20:16:02] milehighfool: @tweditor I’m not so sure. Salon is public and The Motley Fool is doing okay, from where I sit. #editorchat

[20:16:14] anndouglas: At first: only links to non-profits. A few grudging links to $ sites. No links to competitive sites, even if they had big scoop. #editorchat

[20:16:28] milehighfool: @anndouglas So what did you do to bust out of the constraints? #editorchat

[20:16:28] anti9to5guide: Have polls if it’s an article for a traditional news outlet (in addition to comments). They write about reader responses. #editorchat

[20:16:29] stephauteri: Q1: When it comes to profitability, maybe we need to look beyond written content for the $, & find new ways to involve readers. #editorchat

[20:16:40] TMFZahrim: All ads hardly flies unless you’re Google. Need to sell premium subscriptions or products too. #editorchat

[20:16:58] mobienthusiast: @milehighfool is hosting #editorchat tonight, thanks Tim.

[20:17:00] PDXsays: RT: LydiaBreakfastSo, intro to this week is Pew study showing online content writers are more optimistic than their print peers. #editorchat

[20:17:08] anti9to5guide: Yipes, I mean THEN write about reader responses. #editorchat

[20:17:12] wordful: @TMFZahrim I agree with that #editorchat

[20:17:13] jennipps: RT @TMFZahrim All ads hardly flies unless you’re Google. Need to sell premium subscriptions or products too. #editorchat

[20:17:37] TMFZahrim: Corollary: content must be top notch or those subs and stuff won’t sell #editorchat

[20:17:42] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide I think that’s important, and speaks to what Bryne said last week. Keep readers in a conversation. #editorchat

[20:17:45] mariaelenaduron: Q1: Be where the people R + create a “home” for them. Variety of platforms – different audiences #editorchat

[20:17:50] AngEngland: #editorchat I’m on a very slow connection so can’t chat right now, but I just wanted to say HELLO. Freelance writer/editor here.

[20:17:50] edwardboches: need to become content generators for health care, social media platforms, and others who might pay for good, objective content #editorchat

[20:17:55] mhertz: Sorry to be late to the chat. I’m a freelance writer and editor in the San Francisco Bay Area. #editorchat

[20:19:04] wordful: we need to balance content-based revenue streams with ads, affiliate sales, subscriptions, products #editorchat

[20:19:27] PDXsays: #editorchat Topic:Should writers be content SEO experts, crafting stories searchable to gain readership? http://editorchat.wordpress.com

[20:19:30] anndouglas: Blogger placed in awk position @ this site. Blogger comp favors self-referential links. May not make for best story. #editorchat

[20:19:29] jennipps: @edwardboches Re: content generator for health care…That’s definitely an area I’m looking into that could use day job know-how #editorchat

[20:19:31] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Yeah, I agree. At one MSM outlet I write for it’s against “legal’s” rules for me to comment back. Interesting. #editorchat

[20:19:30] TMFZahrim: Paradoxically, fishing for readers sometimes means selling out on message. Fine line to walk. #editorchat

[20:19:37] mobienthusiast: Comments at the end of articles are great for discussion, would be nice if someone weeded out inflammatory comments #editorchat

[20:20:07] anndouglas: @milehighfool Pushed the envelope. Kind of linked where I wanted to and hoped no one noticed. #editorchat

[20:20:11] jennipps: @anti9to5guide That doesn’t make sense. You’d think they’d want that interaction. #editorchat

[20:20:23] milehighfool: RT @TMFZahrim: Paradoxically, fishing for readers sometimes means selling out on message. Fine line. #editorchat

[20:20:32] edwardboches: “long format journalism matters,” marzotti but cost at least $40,000 to generate. how to quality of reader won’t pay #editorchat

[20:20:36] jennipps: @mobienthusiast And spammy comments too instead of blanket approvals. #editorchat

[20:20:38] anndouglas: @milehighfool Most of the time they haven’t edited them out….. #editorchat

[20:20:39] stephauteri: @anti9to5guide: The aren’t they missing the point of having an interactive medium? #editorchat

[20:22:16] LydiaBreakfast: @stephauteri I think lots of publishers are still not on board with the interactive part of the medium. #editorchat

[20:22:20] mobienthusiast: @jennipps & @anti9to5guide sounds like they want to avoid lawsuit fodder & don’t want to involve their lawyers in comments. #editorchat

[20:22:22] milehighfool: @stephauteri I wonder if many publishers are missing out on interactivity? How interactive is this group with readers? #editorchat

[20:22:25] anndouglas: The situation really took my enjoyment out of blogging as compared to @torontostar (which = best practices for linking etc) #editorchat

[20:22:27] milehighfool: @anndouglas Did they notice? Did they mind? #editorchat

[20:22:59] jennipps: @mobienthusiast Good point and one I hadn’t thought of. #editorchat

[20:23:04] anndouglas: @torontostar understands I need to create community. Even had a community member take my questions (in post) to her blog. #editorchat

[20:23:59] milehighfool: See, this is interest. Online writers are more optimistic but community building efforts are nascent or nonexistent. #editorchat

[20:23:59] jenwillis: Other than ads or premium subscription service, how do online publishers plan to make money (and the pay their contributors)? #editorchat

[20:24:00] wordful: @milehighfool you have to be interactive with your readers — that’s the whole idea of web 2.0 publishing. I know I am… #editorchat

[20:24:04] stephauteri: @milehighfool: I try to hop in on any discussion taking place on one of my pieces. Otherwise, I’m no longer a part of the convo! #editorchat

[20:24:07] anti9to5guide: Yes, it’s a directive from their legal dept. And in all honesty, the comments are seriously nasty much of the time. #editorchat

[20:24:15] LydiaBreakfast: @anndouglas That is best case scenario, what is it going to take to get other publishers to encourage that from their staff? #editorchat

[20:24:26] stephauteri: @milehighfool: And when you start the convo, shouldn’t you remain a part of it? #editorchat

[20:24:50] anndouglas: @milehighfool No one has ever raised issue. Have to assume they are ok with it or policy is more lib. #editorchat

[20:24:56] JMegonigal: @milehighfool Sadly, I wonder if many publishers consider themselves “above” their readers… does anyone else see this? #editorchat

[20:24:58] anti9to5guide: What I can do is link back to conversation/topic raised in a future column. So it’s not entirely dropped. #editorchat

[20:25:10] jennipps: @jenwillis Maybe that could be where the product sales someone mentioned earlier could come in, at least in part. #editorchat

[20:25:17] LydiaBreakfast: @anti9to5guide Then aren’t we supressing “free speech?” (another sticky wicket) #editorchat

[20:25:17] milehighfool: @stephauteri Right. You also lose credibility with reader if you ask a question, they respond, and you fail to engage further #editorchat

[20:25:26] mobienthusiast: I follow at least 5 #sandiego Union-Tribune employees; after last #editorchat @rickywhy and others made rss feeds, very responsive group

[20:25:38] edwardboches: Marzotti key note http://bit.ly/QflSx is brilliant. most popular online content is long format journalism, how to monetize #editorchat

[20:25:40] milehighfool: RT @JMegonigal Sadly, I wonder if many publishers consider themselves “above” their readers… does anyone else see this? #editorchat

[20:25:48] jimmcbee: I think it’s going to take several more ‘funerals’ before publishers see the light. #editorchat

[20:25:53] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast I think they are going to have to see competitors thriving. Then they will pay attention. #editorchat

[20:27:03] PDXsays: Hi freelance journalist and freelance editor here in PDX #editorchat

[20:27:05] stephauteri: @anti9to5guide: It can be tough distinguishing who is just trying to stir the pot. Sometimes responding only fuels the flames. #editorchat

[20:27:06] mhertz: I think community building takes a lot of work. It’s a long-term investment, one which may be hard to do in this economy. #editorchat

[20:27:08] jennipps: @anti9to5guide Ah. In that case, I understand it some. I can see how they’d think what the writer says could inflame commenters. #editorchat

[20:27:11] edwardboches: john talked about engaging much last week, can you use engaging also to convince reader of value of professional journalism? #editorchat

[20:27:37] edwardboches: worked with MPA and publishers for years, never felt that publishers thought they were above. more likely editors felt superior #editorchat

[20:27:43] milehighfool: @jimmcbee You’ve been an editor, Jim. How do publishers view the reader? #editorchat

[20:27:52] newswise: Interactivity in your content is crucial to web 2.0, even though I hate that term. #editorchat

[20:28:06] WriterWay: Anyone have the link to that Pew study of online v. print writers? #editorchat

[20:28:13] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal For that answer you have to look at who is building a thriving community. Engaged readers, good stories, etc. #editorchat

[20:28:21] kitchenMage: I saw a figure recently that 60% of ‘mom-blogger’ posts include product mention. Revenue stream=amazon, etc. #editorchat

[20:28:32] milehighfool: @mhertz I’m not sure. Twitter is free — instant community if you engage conversationally, no? #editorchat

[20:28:39] anti9to5guide: @stephauteri @jennipps Yeah. But I also think @milehighfool raises good point re not dropping the ball with readers. #editorchat

[20:28:43] tweditor: @edwardboches I think it might be too late to convince readers. Don’t underestimate cut and paste as the great content thief. #editorchat

[20:28:50] BaileyMcC: community building is key – look @ recent Forrester research that says PR to rep communities rather than brands now – trend #editorchat

[20:28:54] jimmcbee: at my last 2 pubs, I was blessed with bosses who got it. Before that? fuggedaboudit. #editorchat

[20:29:10] edwardboches: @kitchenMage some (many?) mom blogger paid by brands, less objective than true journalism #editorchat

[20:29:12] milehighfool: @WriterWay We’ll get it embedded at the blog after this chat. editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[20:29:24] jennipps: @anti9to5guide Definitely. Though I can understand it, I don’t agree with it. #editorchat

[20:29:44] newswise: @kitchenMage do you read dooce? Heather insists she only mentions stuff she actually uses. #editorchat

[20:29:51] stephauteri: @anti9to5guide: This is true. It seems foolish to not engage with ANY readers. This is a matter of comment regulation. #editorchat

[20:30:11] PDXsays: @BaileyMcC caution will robinson: these roles in PR and community still morphing, and that is over the last 6 manths #editorchat #editorchat

[20:30:11] anti9to5guide: Curious, what do you do when a reader attacks you on their blog? Respond? Let it go? For some journos, such attacks are the norm #editorchat

[20:30:14] milehighfool: So back to the topic if innovation. if you had to build a community right now, where do you start? #editorchat

[20:30:30] jimmcbee: most publishers’ job is to make sure corporate gets its cut, not to hobnob with the hoi polloi #editorchat

[20:30:33] PDXsays: test #editorchat #editorchat

[20:30:32] jenwillis: @kitchenMage Backfires if those blogs want to write a negative review about a product. Plus, you have to wonder about bias. #editorchat

[20:30:40] TJCNYC: I re-subscribed to “The Atlantic” because I want long-form journalism to thrive. Would have paid double, given the oppty. #editorchat

[20:30:52] LydiaBreakfast: @newswise I read dooce and find it hard to believe she can actually use everything she says – not enough hours between TiVo #editorchat

[20:30:57] anti9to5guide: @stephauteri Yeah, like on the nwjobs.com blog for the Seattle Times, I respond when the have a question of me. Or a gripe. #editorchat

[20:31:10] jimmcbee: @anti9to5guide let it go. nothing kills trolls like ignoring them #editorchat

[20:31:13] Cotey: All this talk about building communities with readers. Any good examples of that at all at paper blogs? #editorchat.

[20:31:18] milehighfool: Social media is an obvious idea. So are comments. What other ideas have you tried? #editorchat

[20:31:24] mhertz: @milehighfool Guess I meant people may be worried about using their time doing something that doesn’t bring money immediately #editorchat

[20:31:33] jenwillis: @anti9to5guide What’s the old adage? If they’re shooting at you, you must be doing something right? #editorchat

[20:31:34] anndouglas: @anti9to5guide That’s incredible. It must feel odd not answering when someone asks a question. #editorchat

[20:31:40] edwardboches: engaging with readers isn’t even a question. it’s the same for all brands. readers insist on expressing and socializing, #editorchat

[20:31:40] JDEbberly: @milehighfool If I had to build a community right now, I’d start with a blog and Twitter. #editorchat

[20:31:42] stephauteri: @anti9to5guide: Often, such commenters don’t respond to logical response. I try to let it go, while still engaging others. #editorchat

[20:32:05] JDEbberly: RT @jimmcbee: @anti9to5guide let it go. nothing kills trolls like ignoring them #editorchat

[20:32:12] newswise: @anti9to5guide tough question – to respond seems to validate the attack, to ignore seems cowardly #editorchat

[20:32:19] BaileyMcC: @anti9to5guide if its a legit beef-engage u can gain value fr that too. I let it go if its not outright flaming #editorchat

[20:32:32] edwardboches: @JDEbberly but how would you generate revenue? #editorchat

[20:32:33] jennipps: @anti9to5guide I’ve actually had that happen once. I let it go. Not worth the time/energy to try to correct their impression. #editorchat

[20:32:43] kitchenMage: @newswise I am not sure if I believe her. Xmas season saw lots of ’15 ____ I love” complete with (catalog?) photos. #editorchat

[20:32:56] anti9to5guide: @anndouglas On the site where I’m not supposed to respond to comments online, I can email them privately if I like. #editorchat

[20:33:05] bob_bobala: @jenwillis Re: blogs backfiring. I think that’s just the price of doing business. You have to embrace the good with the bad. #editorchat

[20:33:12] LydiaBreakfast: Part of growing online community is learning how to engage everyone and not take bait. Just like in real life. #editorchat

[20:33:43] stephauteri: @milehighfool: Re: community-building, I attempt to use Twitter or msg boards, but it’s tough to get readers to engage sometimes #editorchat

[20:33:43] anti9to5guide: @jennipps and others. I agree with letting it go. Nice to hear that others do that. #editorchat

[20:33:45] JDEbberly: @edwardboches I can use ads on the blog & forums and sell products once I have the traffic. #editorchat

[20:33:57] edwardboches: if no one will pay for content other than media companies and corporations, journalists risk losing their $$ value #editorchat

[20:34:01] jennipps: @milehighfool Good question. Would interaction in other forums/communities count as possibly building your own? #editorchat

[20:34:13] BaileyMcC: RT@edwardboches: engaging w/readers isn’t a question.it’s the same for all brands.readers insist on expressing and socializing, #editorchat

[20:34:23] anndouglas: @jennipps For a while, namecalling/insults + swearing @ blogger tolerated at one site I blog for. Policy changed. #editorchat

[20:34:25] PDXsays: @anti9to5guide check out @chrisheuer posts he is lead of @socailmediaclub, a group all about SoMe (social media) and that man by #editorchat

[20:34:29] mobienthusiast: RT @LydiaBreakfast Part of growing online community is learning how to engage everyone & not take bait. Just like in real life #editorchat

[20:34:34] apowerpoint: Some guidelines on how to respond to posts/comments from the Air Force. http://bit.ly/12mdZi #editorchat

[20:34:46] milehighfool: And community doesn’t just have to be online. The old fashioned open house could work for a local paper or bureau. #editorchat

[20:35:07] LydiaBreakfast: We have gone off on a tangent – Q2 When creating online content, should writers have to become SEO experts to get more readers #editorchat

[20:35:14] jimmcbee: it’s not like trolls are a brand new phenomenon … kinda telling that we’re just now figuring out how to deal with them. #editorchat

[20:35:35] Cotey: building community via comments AND registration is pretty tough. We had a great active H.S. sportsblog…before registration. #editorchat

[20:35:42] gmarkham: @edwardboches but once value is established there is a core that will pay. #editorchat

[20:35:55] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: We have gone off on a tangent – Q2 When creating online content, should writers have to become SEO experts? #editorchat

[20:35:56] PDXsays: @PDXsays s/b “… that man doesn’t let anything slip by.” #editorchat

[20:36:08] JDEbberly: @jimmcbee Ignoring trolls is usually the best way to deal with them #editorchat

[20:36:21] newswise: @anti9to5guide correcting inaccuracies is probably more important than just flaming. Depends on the attack #editorchat

[20:36:31] jennipps: Q2 – IMO, no. When I started w/TutorialBlog, my editor gave me some SEO phrases to use for the 1st, but after that, no. #editorchat

[20:36:42] jenwillis: @LydiaBreakfast I’m still trying to figure out SEO…. Good topic! #editorchat

[20:36:45] kitchenMage: @LydiaBreakfast Should we have to be SEOs? NO! Do we have to be SEOs? YES. In all our spare time. *head*keyboard* #editorchat

[20:36:44] PDXsays: @LydiaBreakfast bloggers say, “Content is king.” the only way for true findability is organic. #editorchat

[20:36:47] stephauteri: Q2: For the most part, I feel like SEO can be instinctive. Once you learn the rules, it’s always at the back of your mind. #editorchat

[20:36:47] SuziSteffen: Hi everyone, Suzi Steffen from an alt-weekly in Eugene here. Q2, not expert, but good 2 know SOMETHING re SEO. Tags, links, etc. #editorchat

[20:36:50] jimmcbee: @LydiaBreakfast great q! I wish I knew a thing or two about seo. NO ONE reads my crummy blog #editorchat

[20:36:52] TMFZahrim: Q2 To some degree we have to. Sometimes hard to fit SEO in the message though #editorchat

[20:37:05] Cotey: Terry Pluto/Cleveland Plain Dealer hosting Opening Day breakfast. Readers can eat/chat with Tribe beat writer. Brilliant idea. #editorchat

[20:37:08] NitaBe: @LydiaBreakfast,should we ‘have’ to become SEO experts, probably not, but it looks like it’s helpful #editorchat

[20:37:10] mhertz: Q2: Writers should certainly try and become SEO experts, because it can only benefit them if they write online #editorchat

[20:37:11] bob_bobala: @milehighfool re: Q2. I don’t know about experts, but definitely informed. It helps. You just don’t want to become an automaton #editorchat

[20:37:17] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee I could help with that #editorchat

[20:37:28] tweditor: No – Intentionally using SEO terms in stories introduces a “write-by-number” scenario that’s a step away from controlled media. #editorchat

[20:37:29] milehighfool: Community, SEO, isn’t allof this necessary for any sort of profitable digital enterprise? Publishing is no different #editorchat

[20:37:34] newswise: @LydiaBreakfast and throwing things at Jon #editorchat

[20:37:38] jennipps: @TMFZahrim I think if you know your topic well enough, the SEO phrases get put in naturally. #editorchat

[20:37:36] anti9to5guide: Sorry for the tangent I caused! I hate being asked to use keywords stories. Was once asked to work keyword in 6x in 750-wd stry #editorchat

[20:37:36] spencerspellman: I want to join in the conversation now, although I’m late #editorchat

[20:37:45] jenwillis: @kitchenMage I hear your frustration. I remember the simple days of the meta tag…. #editorchat

[20:37:53] CurtMonash: #editorchat Repeat unusual words/phrases rather than using pronouns. That’s my one big SEO trick, and I’m thought to be successful at SEO.

[20:37:55] edwardboches: Polish newspaper designer Jacek Utko thinks design can save print medium (newspaper) Ted conference http://bit.ly/tboAy #editorchat

[20:37:56] jimmcbee: @LydiaBreakfast by reading my blog? or teachin’ me SEO? #editorchat

[20:38:00] PDXsays: Content topic names and catagories morph faster than any writer can follow the trend.. trick is to keep reading and stay abreast #editorchat

[20:38:02] mobienthusiast: #editorchat Q2 SEO is important. Write for people, not search engines but research what ppl want to know (keywords)

[20:38:10] RandomReTweet: RT @mobienthusiast #editorchat Q2 SEO is important. Write for people, not search engines but research what ppl want to know (keywords)

[20:38:11] jennipps: @stephauteri That might be what I mean by it can happen naturally. #editorchat

[20:38:13] BaileyMcC: q2: Writers only benefit from knowing SEO, besides its not difficult. #editorchat

[20:38:15] LydiaBreakfast: Like everything else, it is a fine balance to write well and use SEO, but you can’t crunch it through an “auto-translator” #editorchat

[20:38:22] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast 1st response to that: is it about the qntty/readers, or the quality/writing? I fear we are losing the latter! #editorchat

[20:38:24] JDEbberly: Q2: Optimizing your online articles will in time bring you increased traffic and revenue. #editorchat

[20:38:34] stephauteri: RT @ jennipps: I think if you know your topic well enough, the SEO phrases get put in naturally. #editorchat

[20:38:40] TMFZahrim: @jennipps Hm okay. But I’m discouraged from linking to outside sources which would really help #editorchat

[20:38:37] jennipps: RT @CurtMonash #editorchat Repeat unusual words/phrases rather than using pronouns. That’s my one big SEO trick, and I’m thought #editorchat

[20:38:48] PDXsays: … *WE* create the SEO as we go… it is not *generated* out there somewhere… who makes up the search terms? it is *us*,… #editorchat

[20:38:49] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee SEO, I’ve had experience and now have skills #editorchat

[20:38:51] spencerspellman: Q2-No. Sometimes SEO takes away from the writing and doesn’t fit a writers style. SEO is good, but not the be all, end all #editorchat

[20:38:53] AnthonyMcMurray: RT @mobienthusiast #editorchat Q2 SEO is important. Write for people, not search engines but research what ppl want to know (keywords)

[20:38:53] anniegirl1138: @milehighfool #editorchat. My writing group is through the public lib & local newspaper.

[20:38:59] CurtMonash: #editorchat Of course, that’s easy when writing about companies whose names are made-up words.

[20:39:06] Ballyhoo: RT @stephauteri: Q2: 4 the most part, I feel lk SEO cn be instinctive. Once U lern the rules it’s always at the back of yr mind. #editorchat

[20:39:07] edwardboches: do you write for SEO after you’re done, going back an editing SEO in? Or from the start. Curious. #editorchat

[20:39:14] wordful: @mhertz to be an SEO expert is too vast…as @jennipps says if you’re natural it should take care it itself #editorchat

[20:39:17] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Therin lies the problem with SEO — it can substitute for good narrative. What good is that? #editorchat

[20:39:48] jennipps: @edwardboches I’ve done both but have an easier time with flow if I write it as I go. #editorchat

[20:39:53] wordful: good to be mindful of SEO but not write for SEO. The point if SEO is to connect humans, not search engines #editorchat

[20:39:59] SuziSteffen: @edwardboches Depends on whether it’s directly for online (links as I go) or first for print (can add later). #editorchat

[20:40:29] PDXsays: Yes, well saidRT:@stephauteri: Q2: 4 the most part, I feel lk SEO cn be instinctive. Once U lern the rules it’s [all in my mind] #editorchat

[20:40:35] spencerspellman: However, I’m not knocking SEO; it is a tool that writers should understand and stay abreast at to keep up w current trends #editorchat

[20:40:33] LydiaBreakfast: @edwardboches I keep it in mind, along with all the rest of the devices used to write a good story #editorchat

[20:40:57] Ballyhoo: @AnthonyMcMurray Tottaly agree re: write for what people are looking for #editorchat

[20:41:03] jimmcbee: I would think that if search engine placement is that critical to your mission, you’d have an expert on staff to help. #editorchat

[20:41:06] tweditor: Like last week, I’ll list what’s expected of us: research/report/blog/video/tweet/podcast/now SEO? Good thing we’re all smart! #editorchat

[20:41:04] BaileyMcC: @edwardboches I prefer to add it after,easier to get the story done and run a quick check – re: SEO #editorchat

[20:41:07] anti9to5guide: How about see what topics people search on most on your blog (via metric tool) and then write stories on them? Insta-SEO? Sorta? #editorchat

[20:41:09] PDXsays: @milehighfool you can’t even try for that… it changes too fast to keep up with. u must write as it comes #editorchat

[20:41:12] CurtMonash: #editorchat Limit yourself to SEO that doesn’t screw up your writing!

[20:41:15] JMegonigal: Idealist and Unrealistic, but journalism USED to be about information, NOT profits. It has morphed -original journ is long gone. #editorchat

[20:41:20] mhertz: @wordful Agreed. “Expert” is too big of a term. Maybe just “informed” when it comes to SEO. #editorchat

[20:41:26] wordful: @spencerspellman agreed. Writers nowadays on line need to factor that into their wrok #editorchat

[20:41:28] newswise: @cbs11news I disagree, I get exposed to more diverse content through communities like Twitter and digg where people share #editorchat

[20:41:48] jennipps: Good tip! RT @CurtMonash #editorchat Limit yourself to SEO that doesn’t screw up your writing! #editorchat

[20:41:54] milehighfool: What about tweaking the narrative to accommofate SEO? Common practice or no? #editorchat

[20:42:04] anndouglas: RT @AnthonyMcMurray RT @mobienthusiast #editorchat Write for people, not search engines but research what ppl want to know (keywords)

[20:42:09] BeckyDMBR: @JMegonigal Well, journalism (print) used to be supported by advertising profits. #editorchat

[20:42:26] SuziSteffen: @JMegonigal I don’t think that’s true. Look at the history of yellow journalism, the Spanish-American War … #editorchat

[20:42:39] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Or use community as your SEO guide. Give readers what they want, within reason. #editorchat

[20:42:45] spencerspellman: @JMegonigal I agree re: journalism USED to be about info, but is there still a place for it now and in the future #editorchat

[20:42:58] LisaGemini: I’m new to SEO; where’s a good place to learn it? #editorchat

[20:43:00] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool God, I hope not. I guess I’m old school. #editorchat

[20:43:07] jennipps: @milehighfool I’ve actually done that in the editing process. Sometimes it just doesn’t sound write & needs to be tweaked. #editorchat

[20:43:08] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal I don’t know, according to NYT Mag editor Gerald Marzorati, long form alive and well – just costs too much #editorchat

[20:43:09] JMegonigal: @BeckyDMBR Back further. Origins. (Like I said, idealist and unrealistic) #editorchat

[20:43:13] PDXsays: @anti9to5guide yes… pipes are used is Yahoo! find/sort/filter, but they own pipes… open source folks PHP/Ruby building pipes #editorchat

[20:43:25] mobienthusiast: RT @JDEbberly: Q2: Optimizing your online articles will in time bring you increased traffic and revenue. #editorchat

[20:43:29] RandomReTweet: RT @mobienthusiast RT @JDEbberly: Q2: Optimizing your online articles will in time bring you increased traffic and revenue. #editorchat

[20:43:45] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Yes, I use reader letters/comments as fodder for future column ideas. #editorchat

[20:43:54] Single_Shot: Stupid question from late entry (Diane Mapes, freelance journalist), who needs to use SEO? Nat’l news sites? Bloggers? Both? #editorchat

[20:44:04] jimmcbee: I think there’s kind of a mythology about a golden age of news. It’s always had its good and bad sides. #editorchat

[20:44:17] BeckyDMBR: @JMegonigal Yeah, OK. You could hope for a wealthy philanthropist to support your work. #editorchat

[20:44:23] jennipps: @LisaGemini I’d start with a Google search on something like “SEO tips” or “tips for writing SEO” #editorchat

[20:44:31] BaileyMcC: RT @jimmcbee: I think there’s kind of a mythology about a golden age of news. It’s always had its good and bad sides. #editorchat

[20:44:33] SuziSteffen: @milehighfool Excellent point! What they want and also within reason. #editorchat

[20:44:33] milehighfool: Devil’s advocate: Might SEO and community-building keep us from telling stories that need to be told but aren’t popular? #editorchat

[20:44:42] LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot that is the question Are all writers expected to use it now? #editorchat

[20:44:46] Booklorn: @Single_Shot Anyone who wants to get noticed on the noisy web needs SEO. #editorchat

[20:44:58] jennipps: @milehighfool I think so. #editorchat

[20:45:04] JMegonigal: @jimmcbee You’re probably right. #editorchat

[20:45:08] PDXsays: @Single_Shot everyone, if you want ur stuff read… but don’t be self-conscious is best advice I got.study, read,be organic #editorchat

[20:45:13] gmarkham: @jimmcbee The golden age has always been the one just passed. #editorchat

[20:45:24] jennipps: RT @Booklorn @Single_Shot Anyone who wants to get noticed on the noisy web needs SEO. #editorchat

[20:45:25] LisaGemini: @JMegonigal Yes, I do believe some publishers feel above readers. Some journos do, too, unfortunately. #editorchat

[20:45:27] anti9to5guide: @Single_Shot I think that’s currently up for debate. Hey, your editor called and your SEO-riddled rewrite is due! Ack! #editorchat

[20:45:54] bob_bobala: @milehighfool No. Don’t you think the most unpopular stories often get the biggest buzz? #editorchat

[20:46:11] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast @Booklorn But if I write about people w/horns growing out of their head, can’t I just assume that’ll get noticd? #editorchat

[20:46:18] stephauteri: @Single_Shot: I think both! SEO can always help in bringing new readers to you, if you’re what they’re looking for. #editorchat

[20:46:20] jimmcbee: @JMegonigal @LydiaBreakfast Palmetto State in da house, I see. #editorchat

[20:46:28] TJCNYC: Contrarian idea: start a GREAT user-supported journalism site; charge $1000/yr. Make long-form journalism exotic, rare. #editorchat

[20:46:33] LydiaBreakfast: RT @gmarkham The golden age has always been the one just passed. #editorchat

[20:46:38] gmarkham: SEO is seen too much as a magic bullet. It builds traffic but only in conjunction with providing consistent value. #editorchat

[20:46:41] spencerspellman: RT @jennipps @Booklorn @Single_Shot Anyone who wants to get noticed on the noisy web needs SEO. #editorchat

[20:46:44] Single_Shot: @anti9to5guide Very funny. ; ) #editorchat

[20:46:46] LisaGemini: @Booklorn I agree that you need to know SEO; do you teach it or know where to learn it? #editorchat

[20:46:48] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee Woot woot! #editorchat

[20:46:52] MargaretClark: @edwardboches I think about it from the start AND go back through afterwards to make sure my keywords are sprinkled throughout #editorchat

[20:47:09] Booklorn: @Single_Shot It depends on what words people will use to search for stories about people with horns growing out of their heads. #editorchat

[20:47:09] wordful: SEO is incidental and for too long SEO “experts” have been telling us it’s a secret art. Worry about SEO can get maddening. #editorchat

[20:47:11] PDXsays: has anyone ever watched a hash tag trend on twitter? watched peolpe intentionally drive it to the top in like and hour or 2? #editorchat

[20:47:12] CatherinVentura: @milehighfool #editorchat y too much emphasis on SEO might keep you from telling important stories but how can community building detract?

[20:47:22] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Certainly that was true in the early days of the Fool. Is it still that way? Sometimes, but not always. #editorchat

[20:47:30] jimmcbee: @gmarkham I think it was the age before last. Assuming the last age was the Age of USAToday. #editorchat

[20:47:33] bob_bobala: @spencerspellman Ha. Good luck with the $1000 per year, TJCNYC. #editorchat

[20:47:39] LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot only if you tag “horns” and “head” and “abnormal growth of horns” and use those phrases like mad in your story #editorchat

[20:47:45] solotraveler: @Single_Shot #editorchat all websites should have at least basic SEO. Beyond that and you need analytics and metrics to SEO really well.

[20:47:56] anndouglas: @milehighfool I haven’t seen that as much as grossly distorted headlines because of SEO – esp working in sexual terms. #editorchat

[20:48:01] SuziSteffen: @PDXsays Isn’t that what we are doing? #editorchat

[20:47:59] CatherinVentura: @TJCNYC #editorchat Like the Paris Review?

[20:48:32] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Well, that’s where business models and $ come in. #editorchat

[20:48:32] LisaGemini: @milehighfool That’s one great question, about tweaking narrative to fit SEO. Does that seriously happen often? #editorchat

[20:48:57] stephauteri: @milehighfool: There’s needs to be a balance. After all, you should be telling the stories *you* feel are important. #editorchat

[20:48:58] jimmcbee: a friend is lurking and just passed along a PPT on SEO by email #editorchat

[20:49:04] PDXsays: @anndouglas @LydiaBreakfast I think that is the idea… we *are* the creators of SEO, *if* we learn to harness our own power #editorchat

[20:49:13] jimmcbee: @anndouglas dirty SEO? #editorchat

[20:49:21] edwardboches: hey, I think I’ll become and SEO expert and be a highly paid consultant to journalists #editorchat

[20:49:29] jennipps: RT @stephauteri @milehighfool: There’s needs to be a balance. After all, you should be telling the stories *you* feel are imptnt #editorchat

[20:49:32] Booklorn: @LisaGemini No, I don’t teach SEO. I’m learning through self-teaching but need to pay more attention I think. #editorchat

[20:49:37] anndouglas: @milehighfool I’ve also noticed a lot of SEO optimization in tweets lately – again with the hot words (double meaning). #editorchat

[20:49:38] wordful: SEO should come after great content has been established #editorchat

[20:49:41] BeckyDMBR: SEO is one thing. But if you know that and still have crappy writing? Meh. #editorchat

[20:49:52] milehighfool: @anndouglas True. And for the record: I’m guilty of this. I go for noticeable headlines. trick is matching story to the head. #editorchat

[20:49:53] JDEbberly: RT @wordful: SEO should come after great content has been established #editorchat

[20:49:57] RandomReTweet: RT @JDEbberly RT @wordful: SEO should come after great content has been established #editorchat

[20:50:02] LydiaBreakfast: @edwardboches too bad none of us will be making any money #editorchat

[20:50:12] edwardboches: god save us all, writers and readers if SEO becomes the driving force behind our content #editorchat

[20:50:12] jenwillis: @PDXsays I like that, writers as of SEO. Empowerment! #editorchat

[20:50:31] PDXsays: @SuziSteffen yes.. see my most recent post… that is one way to take back journalism from the night #editorchat

[20:50:32] TJCNYC: @CatherinVentura Embarrassed to admit I haven’t read the Paris Review in years. But yes, I guess so. #editorchat

[20:50:40] wordful: way too many people see SEO coming before the content…that’s why most of the web is a mess..at least right now #editorchat

[20:50:46] bob_bobala: @wordful I agree. SEO can come after. Add this, tweak that. But don’t change your story for SEO. #editorchat

[20:50:51] edwardboches: @LydiaBreakfast touche #editorchat

[20:50:53] KakieF: WOW – Hi #editorchat . Kakie, author, editor, blogger, writer Minneapolis, MN sorry I’m late

[20:51:01] PDXsays: @jenwillis yes… *we* can set the trends, create the SEO! #editorchat

[20:51:07] LydiaBreakfast: Related to SEO Q3 How important are embedded links in stories? Do you encourage links to other sites or only back to your own? #editorchat

[20:51:11] jennipps: @wordful Maybe that’s why I’m SEO-resistant. I use it when I have to, but I don’t really like to. #editorchat

[20:51:15] jenwillis: @milehighfool Good point about headlines. Not consistently a strength for me. #editorchat

[20:51:16] LisaGemini: @edwardboches I kinda think that SEO is becoming a driving force behind web content, but not the only force. #editorchat

[20:51:22] milehighfool: @stephauteri Amen. That’s the only way to ensure writing with an authentic, unique voice. #editorchat

[20:51:29] wordful: there simply aren’t enoughs editors on the web — it’s mostly marketers! #editorchat

[20:51:39] spencerspellman: @edwardboches I agree that it is so easy to lose great content amidst SEO. Quality content I think is key. #editorchat

[20:51:50] JMegonigal: @jimmcbee Absolutely! #editorchat

[20:51:52] PDXsays: @PDXsays that was the original intention of SEO… before it became monetized… it still works #editorchat

[20:51:52] Booklorn: I think too many ppl lose sight of fact that SEO without content is pointless. SEO is means to end, but not end itself. #editorchat

[20:51:56] JohannaBD: RT @mobienthusiast: RT @JDEbberly: Q2: Optimizing your online articles will in time bring you increased traffic and revenue. #editorchat

[20:51:59] jennipps: Q3 – I’ve provided links to other sites in some articles. They’ve always been left in, so I guess it’s OK. #editorchat

[20:52:01] krisTK: Challenging to follow Schieffer, Ifill, Brooks and Shields discussion at #schieffer and #editorchat

[20:52:04] Single_Shot: @milehighfool Do your editors use your suggested headlines? #editorchat

[20:52:06] edwardboches: @wordful actually it’s mostly readers and customers, so how do you make them yours? #editorchat

[20:52:07] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Sometimes readers gripe when the headline doesn’t match the story. Still, it seems like all sites do this. #editorchat

[20:52:10] JDEbberly: RT @spencerspellman: @edwardboches I agree that it is so easy to lose great content amidst SEO. Quality content I think is key. #editorchat

[20:52:21] TMFZahrim: Trouble is, I suck as SEO, esp. snappy headlines. Hard to know how far to push — and what might get past the editors #editorchat

[20:52:23] tweditor: @edwardboches By literally making us rethink word choice, SEO is just a less malevolent big brother. But then so is Twitter! #editorchat

[20:52:26] wordful: @Booklorn so true, so true #editorchat

[20:52:31] mobienthusiast: #editorchat Q3 I always add outbound links at http://mobienthusiast.mobi so people can find great mobile sites.

[20:52:31] milehighfool: Also, related to Q3, does it help or hurt to link out to other sites? #editorchat

[20:52:35] stephauteri: Q3: I use outgoing links as much as internal links, as a means of creating a collaborative environment among writers. #editorchat

[20:52:37] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast I may not be backed by this but I believe in linking to others. #editorchat

[20:52:40] jimmcbee: re: q3 we’re not seriously refusing to link out, still, are we? just make sure the link opens in new page. Jeez. #editorchat

[20:52:52] KakieF: RT @spencerspellman: @edwardboches I agree that it is so easy to lose great content amidst SEO. Quality content I think is key. #editorchat

[20:52:55] PDXsays: @jenwillis that was the original intention of SEO… before it became monetized… it still works #editorchat

[20:52:58] JMegonigal: @edwardboches Journalists won’t be able to affort a consultant. #editorchat

[20:53:04] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Every site does. I’ve been guilty of getting it wrong. But I try hard not to. #editorchat

[20:53:06] BeckyDMBR: I admit I’m a complete SEO idiot. I’ll go to a blogging conference this summer to learn more. But info w/be a tool. #editorchat

[20:53:10] mhertz: Q3 Only including links back to your own work seems (at least to me) too self-serving. You should link to what’s relevant. #editorchat

[20:53:10] LydiaBreakfast: @mobienthusiast but that is your own site so you have the freedom to link as you please, right? #editorchat

[20:53:28] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Sure, all the time. Part of my job is to suggest headlines for my work. #editorchat

[20:53:29] jennipps: @milehighfool I think it helps. It helps the other site, yes, but it also helps you b/c you’re not being “stingy” with info. #editorchat

[20:53:29] kitchenMage: @milehighfool re: headlines My most popular pages have obvious titles. Using “recipe” when it is one increases hits. A lot. #editorchat

[20:53:30] spencerspellman: I think w the current times, its important to see others as not competitors but people we can work together with to a goal #editorchat

[20:53:33] PDXsays: @KakieF true quality drives SEO #editorchat

[20:53:33] edwardboches: links save time (you don’t have to cover or explain) they are a service to readers, saving them search, and they say…. #editorchat

[20:53:36] Shelbow: RT @JDEbberly: RT @wordful: SEO should come after great content has been established #editorchat I agree! Keep SEO in mind, yes …

[20:53:49] anti9to5guide: Q3: I link like crazy. Some editors you have to convince to link to competing sites though. #editorchat

[20:53:50] LydiaBreakfast: @spencerspellman I do too, almost did it in my latest gville post today, but know 10B won’t go for it. #editorchat

[20:53:51] milehighfool: @Single_Shot At least, so far as my writing for The Motley Fool goes. #editorchat

[20:53:55] KakieF: I am not always sure how to set it up so the link opens in a new page when leaving comments on sites of others (different topic) #editorchat

[20:53:57] edwardboches: …and links say that you are part of the digital world and community, it’s all good #editorchat

[20:54:01] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast Absolutely. Linking to other sources, etc. only helps reinforce the article itself (or should, if it’s correct!) #editorchat

[20:54:09] spencerspellman: I think linking to and with others should have mutual benefits although it doesn’t always #editorchat

[20:54:15] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool I’ve come to expect it and I think readers have too. I just hope it’s not more “the media sux” ammo. #editorchat

[20:54:18] milehighfool: RT @PDXsays: @KakieF true quality drives SEO #editorchat

[20:54:16] stephauteri: RT @mhertz Only including links back to your own work seems (at least to me) too self-serving. #editorchat

[20:54:20] tweditor: Q3: Re: linking only to your own content. Are any pubs/comm entities that self-aggrandizing? In 2009? #editorchat

[20:54:21] SuziSteffen: Q3 I link as much as I can in blog posts for the paper out of interest for the readers. Also I think there’s more to crawl. #editorchat

[20:54:33] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast Yes I understand what you mean by that. #editorchat

[20:54:35] PDXsays: @BeckyDMBR where are you? there are now 12 Beerandblog.com meetings world wide, devoted to such topics through local experts fee #editorchat

[20:54:36] Single_Shot: @milehighfool I always come up with heds, 2, but they don’t always use them. As for SEO, I haven’t given it a thought. Ever. #editorchat

[20:54:39] LisaGemini: If any of you is an SEO expert, please get in touch with me. I need major help w/ SEO. #editorchat

[20:54:40] xybrewer: SEO Q3: Answer changes over time, but latest answer is linking to both yours and other sites in an article. #editorchat

[20:54:46] TMFZahrim: outside links helps SE ranking but hurts retention. My editors love retention. #editorchat

[20:54:59] mtlb: RT @edwardboches: god save us all, writers and readers if SEO becomes the driving force behind our content #editorchat

[20:54:59] JDEbberly: RT @LisaGemini: If any of you is an SEO expert, please get in touch with me. I need major help w/ SEO. #editorchat

[20:55:00] milehighfool: @stephauteri What about to the site? I’ll often link to other Fools but rarely do we link outside fool.com. #editorchat

[20:55:02] LydiaBreakfast: Linking to external and competitors sites blurs lines. Is there enough pie for everyone to have a slice? #editorchat

[20:55:04] edwardboches: the best links take you to unexpected, interesting finds, that a reader will be thankful for #editorchat

[20:55:06] jennipps: @KakieF If you’re linking via hand-coded HTML, insert “target=_blank” before you close the tag. #editorchat

[20:55:10] bob_bobala: I think it definitely helps to link to good external sources. Gives you more credibility, and makes your content less about you. #editorchat

[20:55:21] MargaretClark: @edwardboches Links help Google identify your topical community. Make sure you are pointing to authoritative sites… #editorchat

[20:55:28] jimmcbee: putting a no-link-out fence around your product misses the whole point of the Internet #editorchat

[20:55:27] xybrewer: SEO Q3: If linking to your own site, pay attention to the words in the link text; make them key terms, if it feels natural. #editorchat

[20:55:35] Booklorn: @KakieF Forcing page 2 open in different window is bad (considered rude by many). If users want new page they know how 2 get it. #editorchat

[20:55:35] wordful: helps at 1st to link out, then u need to reign it in a bit to keep your community close. as you mature, linking out helps other #editorchat

[20:55:35] apowerpoint: @edwardboches and good for SEO #editorchat

[20:55:38] spencerspellman: I believe for writers and just businesses to be successful now, we will have to rely more on each other and working together #editorchat

[20:55:47] milehighfool: @Single_Shot You are officially my heroine. For the next 5 minutes. #editorchat

[20:56:09] tlw3: RT @edwardboches: the best links take you to unexpected, interesting finds, that a reader will be thankful for #editorchat

[20:56:16] mariaelenaduron: RT @spencerspellman I believe for writers and just businesses to be successful now, we will have to rely more on each other #editorchat

[20:56:18] milehighfool: @bob_bobala That seems to be the prevailing wisdom and it makes sense. Links are the currency of the Web, yes? #editorchat

[20:56:24] bob_bobala: @TMFZahrim They should provide the best experience to get the best retention. I would do things differently if still there! #editorchat

[20:56:25] PDXsays: @BeckyDMBR freewhat I meant… ystart a chapter in ur community… @justinkistner founded these.. SEO knowledge viral in PDX now #editorchat

[20:56:25] KakieF: @tweditor I sometimes link back to some of my old stuff for reference only #editorchat

[20:56:28] tweetpea: RT SAY IT AGAIN! @Wordful: SEO should come after great content has been established #editorchat

[20:56:29] anti9to5guide: Hear hear. RT @edwardboches: god save us all, writers & readers if SEO becomes the driving force behind our content #editorchat #editorchat

[20:56:31] gmarkham: @TMFZahrim quality of links establishes trustiworthiness, value of linkees. may hurt retention, but not future visits #editorchat

[20:56:34] JMegonigal: @spencerspellman Good luck! Tried to PROMOTE other editors (positively) in our region recently. All refused to participate. #editorchat

[20:56:34] xybrewer: @lydiabreakfast I think there is, if you’re staying true to the content and giving readers what they want. #editorchat

[20:56:45] jimmcbee: @LydiaBreakfast the pie keeps growing exponentially. There’s just no money in it, cos Google vacuumed it all out. #editorchat

[20:56:46] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast That’s a great ? about blurring lines, I think it’s important to set goals and not go crazy with linking #editorchat

[20:56:53] JDEbberly: RT @edwardboches: the best links take you to unexpected, interesting finds, that a reader will be thankful for #editorchat

[20:56:55] xybrewer: @lydiabreakfast Is there some credibility in admitting when a competitor has better supporting information? #editorchat

[20:57:04] milehighfool: @jimmcbee Right. Yiou rob yourself of the some of the community-building opportunities we’ve been discussing. #editorchat

[20:57:03] stephauteri: @milehighfool: I link to other sites all the time, but direct link to open in separate window, to encourage readers to return. #editorchat

[20:57:03] jennipps: @Booklorn 1st I’ve heard of that. Always heard opening in a new window keeps visitors @ your site & doesn’t drive them away. #editorchat

[20:57:06] KakieF: RT @edwardboches: the best links take you to unexpected, interesting finds, that a reader will be thankful for #editorchat

[20:57:11] PDXsays: @LydiaBreakfast like 7-11 stores, more on the corner, more biz u have #editorchat

[20:57:14] mhertz: People are too worried about losing readers by linking out. Good content should keep them there, short attention span be damned. #editorchat

[20:57:21] anndouglas: @milehighfool Do you mean you’d pull a keyword out of something you know ppl would be searching on today, like fool? #editorchat

[20:57:20] GLENNatMHz: SEO is the new paperboy. #editorchat

[20:57:28] TMFZahrim: @gmarkham Agreed and I want to use them more. How can I convince my higher-ups? #editorchat

[20:57:31] wordful: @xybrewer probably better to have the best supporting info yourself to begin with #editorchat

[20:57:34] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast I think linking to others should be focused and have goals though or it will have a hard time working #editorchat

[20:57:39] bob_bobala: @milehighfool There’s this paranoia about losing people. But if you’re offering a great experience, people will come back. #editorchat

[20:57:39] mariaelenaduron: RT @spencerspellman That’s a great ? about blurring lines, I think it’s important to set goals and not go crazy w/linking #editorchat

[20:58:00] JMegonigal: @jimmcbee LOL. A big pie with nothing in it. Would be hilarious, except I’d like to be a for-profit someday! #editorchat

[20:58:04] mobienthusiast: @LydiaBreakfast yes, it’s my site so I don’t answer to an editor. I know for a fact w/o links I wouldn’t have the traffic I have #editorchat

[20:58:06] stephauteri: @milehighfool: Maybe it’s just web, but I’m finding some sites to be more collaborative than competitive. And me likee! #editorchat

[20:58:06] PDXsays: @mhertz loose more readers thru poor usability on ur own webstite than outside links #editorchat

[20:58:10] tweditor: @KakieF Maybe I misunderstood? I think the implication is that some orgs only link back to their own stuff and never outside. #editorchat

[20:58:20] DrFernKazlow: #editorchat

[20:58:25] milehighfool: @anndouglas No, not a keyword but a link, like a blog or relevant news story. #editorchat

[20:58:33] spencerspellman: @JMegonigal I would be interested to hear more about that, however, I agree that it’s hard getting others to see the benefit #editorchat

[20:58:38] Single_Shot: @anti9to5guide Reminds me of an old Far Side cartoon, what dogs hear. Blah blah blah blah SEO. Blah blah SEO SEO SEO. Blah blah. #editorchat

[20:58:52] gmarkham: @TMFZahrim tell them to take a look at Drudge’s numbers: all link based, huge traffic. #editorchat

[20:58:54] KakieF: RT @bob_bobala: @milehighfool There’sparanoia about losing people. If you’re offering great experience, people will come back. #editorchat

[20:58:57] jennipps: RT @mhertz Ppl are too worried abt losing readers by linking out. Good content shld keep them there, short attention be damned #editorchat

[20:59:01] JMegonigal: Okay, have juggled the laptop and a 5-pg pagination long enough. Time to give one the focus it really needs. ‘Night #editorchat

[20:59:06] LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot exactly! #editorchat

[20:59:13] PDXsays: @Single_Shot roflol #editorchat

[20:59:14] bob_bobala: @TMFZahrim You can track your page views (and in your case likely newsletter leads). Don’t think they will go down at all. #editorchat

[20:59:25] anti9to5guide: My fave example of linking out is a pal who blogs for Microsoft and convinced them to let her link to flickr & other sites. #editorchat

[20:59:26] wordful: @Single_Shot that’s very funny #editorchat

[20:59:31] jenwillis: @Single_Shot LOL! I loved that cartoon. The dog’s name was Ginger. I feel much the same when it comes to SEO. #editorchat

[20:59:32] jennipps: @JMegonigal Good to see you here. Good luck with the project. #editorchat

[20:59:34] edwardboches: @Single_Shot funny, like that, seo blah #editorchat

[20:59:39] DrFernKazlow: RT @spencerspellman That’s a great ? about blurring lines, I think it’s important to set goals and not go crazy w/linking #editorchat

[20:59:36] PDXsays: RT @Single_Shot @anti9to5guide Reminds me of an old Far Side cartoon, what dogs hear. Blah blah blah blah SEO. Blah blah SEO SEO #editorchat

[20:59:39] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Thanks for stopping in, Jordana. #editorchat

[20:59:41] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal Night Jordana thanks for coming #editorchat

[20:59:44] david_prince: @Booklorn Re:Forcing pg2. I’m not convinced. If the link is mid-post guest may want to view B4 commenting & welcome pg2 #editorchat

[20:59:48] mhertz: @PDXsays I agree with you. Usability is obviously important, too. #editorchat

[21:00:00] DryerBuzz: when editors worry about the SEO, does the story get out? #editorchat

[21:00:14] jimmcbee: @JMegonigal tell me about it! … reality is, we’re at the pre-model T horseless carriage stage. No one knows what model’ll win #editorchat

[21:00:15] anndouglas: @milehighfool I do that, too. I mean if everyone is talking about it, you might as well tie it in – unless it’s a huge stretch. #editorchat

[21:00:19] chrispitre: rt @mtlb RT @edwardboches: god save us all, writers and readers if SEO becomes the driving force behind our content #editorchat

[21:00:33] spencerspellman: @JMegonigal Night. Thanks for the words. #editorchat

[21:00:40] jennipps: RT @david_prince Booklorn Re:Forcing pg2. I’m not convinced. If link is mid-post guest may want to view B4 commenting & welcome #editorchat

[21:00:39] Twirrim: Amen, no point showing everyone you have nothing to say! RT @Wordful: SEO should come after great content has been established #editorchat

[21:00:45] TMFZahrim: @bob_bobala Um, they hardly let us poor contractors know which articles do well or not. Who do I have to kill? #editorchat

[21:00:48] Booklorn: @jennipps: If u search for forcing links to open in new page you will see plenty against. #editorchat

[21:00:53] anti9to5guide: @Single_Shot HILARIOUS! I hope it stays that way. Was so turned off when a certain client asked me 2 use keywords in a lede. #editorchat

[21:00:56] SuziSteffen: OK, great convo, but must go work on a post about blogging for my students (we’re interviewing Boston Globe ed tomorrow). Night! #editorchat

[21:00:59] LisaGemini: RT @mhertz Ppl are too worried abt losing readers by linking out. Good content shld keep them there, short attention be damned #editorchat

[21:01:15] milehighfool: @jimmcbee Hence this discussion and series. We’re at a moment in time ripe for innovation. #editorchat

[21:01:15] xybrewer: SEO Q3: People who have specific SEO goals should worry about this. Not content/writers/journalists/editors. Y’all are good! #editorchat

[21:01:18] JDEbberly: RT @edwardboches: god save us all, writers and readers if SEO becomes the driving force behind our content #editorchat

[21:01:39] KakieF: @DryerBuzz Great question, but I think good editor focuses on quality of content first. Better experience = return visitors #editorchat

[21:01:45] jennipps: Agreed. RT @milehighfool @jimmcbee Hence this discussion and series. We’re at a moment in time ripe for innovation. #editorchat

[21:01:50] spencerspellman: RT @milehighfool Hence this discussion and series. We’re at a moment in time ripe for innovation. #editorchat

[21:02:03] LydiaBreakfast: Q4 Building community is by nature, more conversational. Writers and editors, how informal can your stories be? #editorchat

[21:02:06] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @jimmcbee Hence this discussion and series. We’re at a moment in time ripe for innovation. #editorchat

[21:02:10] PDXsays: Hey guys… metrics and mapping and trends for all published all over the place… we are talking and asking about info exists #editorchat

[21:02:13] edwardboches: looks like if someone does a search on the term SEO, #editorchat will come up high. SEO appears a lot here #editorchat

[21:02:25] PassoverRecipes: Most of our site is outbound links, it helps make it a community and encourages ppl to share content #editorchat Q3

[21:02:31] spencerspellman: @milehighfool I couldn’t agree more about the time being right for innovation #editorchat

[21:02:31] jimmcbee: @milehighfool yes, and it’s great fun. I hope I can keep paying the mortgage. #editorchat

[21:02:33] anti9to5guide: @TMFZahrim Good point. Do you ask for updates on how your stories do in terms of hits? I wish I did more. I don’t hear much. #editorchat

[21:02:36] bob_bobala: @TMFZahrim I mean really. How do they expect you to succeed without giving information? I’m sorry to hear that. #editorchat

[21:02:51] MikeLizun: re Q3 Technorati Attention Index. top sites with highest number of blogs linking to them. NYT is #2 http://bit.ly/2d0LB8 #editorchat

[21:02:57] jimmcbee: @JDEbberly #editorchat

[21:28:33] jennipps: @gmarkham That’s a popular phrase this week in my little corner of the world. And appropriate. #editorchat

[21:28:39] milehighfool: We want to keep this innovation series going so be sure to post your questions to editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:28:38] stephauteri: is a TMI sex/relationships writer (my poor husband). Also enjoys writing about careers, $, and other fun things! #editorchat

[21:28:46] LisaGemini: I’m new to this chat. Thanks for all the great work, moderators. I will be back! Bravo. #editorchat

[21:28:54] wordful: Gotta run…aloha to all! #editorchat

[21:29:06] firemom: Exciting. I just found out about #editorchat and editorchat.wordpress.com! Hurrah! (Editor here!)

[21:29:17] jennipps: @LisaGemini THey do a great job, don’t they? #editorchat

[21:29:19] Single_Shot: Thanx 4 another fun editorchat, everybody! Diane Mapes, freelance journalist & rabid first-personist. dianemapes.net #editorchat

[21:29:17] jenwillis: Jennifer Willis, freelance writer and author in spirituality, sustainability, history and health. http://tinyurl.com/cu7fgh #editorchat

[21:29:19] BeckyDMBR: Thanks for the chat! Journalist in Iowa on blogs and still in print. [T-Rex screech!] #editorchat

[21:29:42] LydiaBreakfast: @LisaGemini Thanks for coming to our party #editorchat

[21:29:44] LisaGemini: @stephauteri How did you get into writing about TMI sex/relationships?? Any advice for me if I want to check it out? #editorchat

[21:29:47] kitchenMage: I’m a food writer, photographer, and cookbook author in search of a buyer from BN or Borders. My #1 post: http://bit.ly/JMZZ #editorchat

[21:29:48] anndouglas: I’m Ann Douglas, blogger, magazine columnist, author, mom, person trying to make the world a better place. See profile link. #editorchat

[21:29:50] Single_Shot: @gmarkham Hear hear to fabulous cat-herding moderators! #editorchat

[21:30:06] tweditor: Well, I’m off to innovate and think of SEO keywords to put in my next blog post. See you next week! #editorchat

[21:30:33] michellesedas: I just got in last minute but will me back next week. Thanks for your insight! #editorchat

[21:30:35] jennipps: See you all next week and on Twitter in the meantime. I’m out. Have a few short articles I need to research. #editorchat

[21:30:40] LydiaBreakfast: @tweditor Be strong #editorchat

[21:30:41] JDEbberly: Thank YOU moderators @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast for yet another fabulous informative chat!! #editorchat

[21:30:43] mhertz: Thanks for the chat, everyone. Freelance writer, editor and screenwriter in the San Francisco Bay Area. #editorchat

[21:30:52] stephauteri: @LisaGemini: College internship. I created online content for two personals sites owned by same co. as Boston Phoenix. #editorchat

[21:31:04] anti9to5guide: Thx for all the great insights. Michelle Goodman, freelance writer/author, www.anti9to5guide.com #editorchat

[21:31:09] milehighfool: @tweditor Brilliant! Let us know how it goes #editorchat

[21:31:17] bsaunders: writes social and cultural commentary, topics from careers to fitness to pets to religion. Corporate: about energy-efficiency #editorchat

[21:31:27] GirlsSentAway: @LydiaBreakfast Next #editorchat, I may join in. I’m new to Twitter chats and am unsure how one follows all participants at once.

[21:31:28] firemom: I’m also a freelance writer, tackling parenting, adoption & fire safety issues. See you next week! #editorchat

[21:31:43] KakieF: See you all next week. Peace and blessings #editorchat

[21:31:41] catekustanczy: Cate, freelance online journo, broadcaster, writer. Frustrated w old-world attitudes to new technologies. Prepping for mad day. #editorchat

[21:31:44] stephauteri: @LisaGemini: Since then, got pigeonholed, I suppose, though I do find it fun. #editorchat

[21:31:49] BaileyMcC: Bailey Mccann – still employed writer and consultant fr New York City #editorchat

[21:31:52] LydiaBreakfast: @bsaunders Thanks for joining us! #editorchat

[21:31:53] alysonenglish: I’m Alyson. I write about lots of stuff, but let’s say health, family, home, biz and “green” stuff just to keep it under 140. #editorchat

[21:32:09] firemom: @GirlsSentAway Use tweetgrid.com so you can view multiple hashtags &/or your replies. #editorchat

[21:32:11] jenwillis: Thanks, everyone! Great #editorchat tonight!

[21:32:20] GinaLaGuardia: @DrFernKazlow Hello, by the way! Have you seen the info about our NYC #gno #12for12k TweetUp yet? #editorchat

[21:32:22] LydiaBreakfast: @GirlsSentAway tweetchat.com is the best for this. You’ll catch on. #editorchat

[21:32:33] KakieF: @tweditor Yes, I agree that is a problem. If people are only linking back to their own stuff = not good #editorchat

[21:32:38] Booklorn: Freshly minted editor/writer, previously genetic engineering. Finger in many pies. Need mentor #editorchat

[21:32:42] JDEbberly: @BaileyMcC No prob! You can look forward to many more!! Have an excellent evening! #editorchat

[21:33:00] kitchenMage: Great chatting with you all. See you all next week! #editorchat

[21:33:18] anndouglas: @milehighfool @lydiabreakfast Thanks for another fabulous #editorchat See you next week.

[21:33:21] anti9to5guide: Thanks, fabulous moderators! Great chat! #editorchat

[21:33:22] milehighfool: @Booklorn Glad you could make it. Join us again. #editorchat

[21:33:45] milehighfool: @anndouglas Thanks, Ann. We appreciate it. #editorchat

[21:33:49] wasatchwoman: Is #editorchat about to end? What’d I miss? #editorchat

[21:33:54] LydiaBreakfast: @Booklorn you’ll find all the help you need in our little community #editorchat

[21:34:09] LydiaBreakfast: @anndouglas Thanks Ann #editorchat

[21:34:07] GinaLaGuardia: I’m miffed I was so late tonight; sorry I couldn’t contribute more. Next week, promise. “Content pimp,” signing off. #editorchat

[21:34:26] JDEbberly: @kitchenMage See you next week, KM!! Have a fabulous evening! #editorchat

[21:34:32] stephauteri: Good night all. Thanks for the chat! Excited to actually be home for it this time around. #editorchat

[21:34:37] LydiaBreakfast: @wasatchwoman You can see the transcript tomorrow at www.editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:34:50] milehighfool: @wasatchwoman Yeah, we go from 8-9:30 pm eastern. Transcript will be at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:35:07] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @wasatchwoman You can see the transcript tomorrow at www.editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:35:12] milehighfool: @GinaLaGuardia Thanks, Gina, See you next week. #editorchat

[21:35:14] Colgo: @LydiaBreakfast Good job. Way better than #journchat #editorchat

[21:35:14] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @wasatchwoman Yeah, we go from 8-9:30 pm eastern. Transcript will be at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:35:28] wasatchwoman: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for the tip. Bummer I missed it. That’s what I get for living in the Rocky Mountains. #editorchat

[21:35:38] GinaLaGuardia: @milehighfool Definitely. Thanks, as always. #editorchat

[21:35:54] milehighfool: @Colgo Thanks for joining us. Hope to see you next week. #editorchat

[21:36:04] DrFernKazlow: RT @JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @wasatchwoman Yeah, we go from 8-9:30 pm eastern. Transcript will beat editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:36:33] earleyedition: Keeping one eye on #editorchat. Much the awesome

[21:36:59] mariaelenaduron: Gr8 chat! Looking 4ward 2 participating even more next week! #editorchat

[21:37:15] RBLevin: Media totally overhyped Conficker threat. #editorchat

[21:37:15] milehighfool: @wasatchwoman No excuses. I live in the Rocky Mountains, too #editorchat

[21:37:38] LydiaBreakfast: @mariaelenaduron Thanks, hope to see you next time. #editorchat

[21:37:55] milehighfool: @mariaelenaduron Glad you could join us. See you next week. #editorchat

[21:38:12] wasatchwoman: @milehighfool Touche! I guess I can’t argue that. #editorchat

[21:38:19] Colgo: By the way – introduction: digital editor, former print reporter, based in Sydney #editorchat

[21:38:33] JDEbberly: @mariaelenaduron Really looking forward to seeing you next week, Maria! #editorchat

[21:38:40] Colgo: @earleyedition yeah it’s good, eh? #editorchat

[21:38:46] LydiaBreakfast: Lydia Dishman, freelance business journalist also covering food, travel and style. #editorchat

[21:39:08] GirlsSentAway: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! I’ll check it out. #editorchat

[21:39:26] Colgo: @milehighfool Amen to that. Never been a better time to try creative ways of telling stories #editorchat

[21:39:37] DrFernKazlow: Thanks for a great chat. Will miss next week but see you the week after. Glad U have a transcript! #editorchat

[21:39:55] JimMoreno: is a Games Editor for Armchair General website, and MMORPG columnist writing about the art of roleplaying for WarCry Network. #editorchat

[21:40:08] milehighfool: Tim Beyers, Motley Fool contributor, freelancing in tech, finance and other topics that pay. timbeyers.com #editorchat

[21:42:27] Willowbottom: Oh, bummer. I missed #editorchat.

[21:44:18] Nancy_White: writer, editor, missed #editorchat this week, travelling mext wk. where can I get transcript?

[21:49:05] Single_Shot: @mhertz I have a hard time keeping up with #editorchat even when Internet/computer are running well. It gets pretty fast & furious at times.

[21:50:46] earleyedition: @Colgo agree w/statement re: #editorchat better than #prchat ! Think creative ways of telling stories will include some form of Cit “Journ”

#editorchat was created to be an inclusive forum for writers and editors to get together and talk about how to work more effectively together.  In less than two months it has been a great success and continues to grow.  We had a terrific session on Wednesday, thanks to the appearance of John Byrne.  His tweets generated a interesting talk among the participants, many of whom joined in for the first time.  If you missed it, you can read about it here, and hopefully, you’ll chime in next week. 

NOTE:  The following transcript has been modified to remove comments from two spoilers users that did not add anything to the discussion except harassing commentary.  We are trying to run a productive and helpful forum.  Constructive criticism delivered in a respectful manner is welcomed.  But if anyone has a personal beef with a member of the media or a specific publication, the appropriate way to have those comments be heard is to contact the individual or organization directly.

[20:00:15] JOHNABYRNE: Welcome everyone. And thanks to LydiaBreakfast for inviting me to moderate #editorchat tonight. So what’s the best way to start?

[20:00:22] LydiaBreakfast: And we are live tweeps, welcome to another edition of editorchat #editorchat

[20:00:45] milehighfool: And we’re live. Please introduce yourselves and welcome @JOHNABYRNE. #editorch

[20:01:09] Willowbottom: Tonight on #editorchat, @JOHNABYRNE – do join! But if you won’t be, you may want to filter me out for the next little bit.

[20:01:23] jimmcbee: RT @milehighfool: Tweeps: Filter #editorchat for the next 1.5 hrs if you don’t want to hear my tweets about community content. #editorchat

[20:01:57] JOHNABYRNE: Thank you Lydia. #editorchat

[20:02:22] jennipps: Hi, all! Jen Nipps here, in south Oklahoma, fl writer specializing in writing/creativity, freelancing, & plus-size issues. #editorchat

[20:02:28] shirleybrady: Hi all – Shirley Brady here, work with John (BW.com community editor) – looking forward to this! #editorchat

[20:02:32] LydiaBreakfast: Everyone, please tell us who you are and what you do before we start the questions #editorchat

[20:02:32] JDEbberly: Welcome to Editorchat, John A Byrne. We’re honored and humbled by your presence. #editorchat

[20:02:50] milehighfool: @PDXsays All the details are ateditorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[20:02:55] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool I’m here. Freelance journalist in Iow-ay! #editorchat

[20:03:13] jennipps: @PDXsays Easiest way, IMO, is go to www.tweetchat.com and log in with your Twitter ID & password. Type “editorchat” in the box. #editorchat

[20:03:31] JOHNABYRNE: @JDEbberly Thanks! #editorchat

[20:03:39] jennipps: @JOHNABYRNE Thank you for coming & guest-moderating. #editorchat

[20:04:00] littlebrownpen: Welcome John! Hi everyone. Nichole Robertson, freelance writer and Copy Director for a German organic skin care brand. #editorchat

[20:04:12] tweditor: Hi! I’m back for a second week. I’m Charmaine Cooper Hussain, an freelance editor specializing in high-tech communications. #editorchat

[20:04:13] Willowbottom: Timberly Marek, proj. mgr by day, freelancer by night: corp. research, competitive analysis, social media &occasional creative #editorchat

[20:04:41] anndouglas: I’m Ann Douglas. Parenting blogger @torontostar + @yahoo canada + write pregnancy column @conceive etc. #editorchat

[20:04:45] marciamarcia: While I usually warn I’ll be doing #editorchat & therefore updating more than usual, instead 2nite I hope I can come up w/ even 1 wise quip.

[20:04:47] tweditor: Oh my goodness, “a” freelance editor, not “an.” What a way to make a first impression. #editorchat

[20:05:11] jimmcbee: Jim McBee, co-owner http://smartnewsnc.com freelance 2 publisher startup; ex-journo, current health policy writer. Hi! #editorchat

[20:05:29] Willowbottom: @tweditor wouldn’t editorial catch that, though? #editorchat

[20:06:07] TMFZahrim: Anders Bylund, Motley Fool — evening one and all #editorchat

[20:06:12] bakercom1: sorry everybody, cross-tweeted there. Participating in #editorchat too for a bit. excuse the frequent tweets/ #editorchat

[20:06:26] JDEbberly: J. D. Ebberly, I’m a blogger out of N VA who writes pieces on blogging and New Media #editorchat

[20:06:43] a2editor: Hello, editorchat. Made it on time this week. #editorchat

[20:06:48] JOHNABYRNE: I’m happy to take questions but let me start the ball rolling with one from Editorchat’s blog. #editorchat

[20:06:49] tweditor: @Willowbottom, erm, I *am* editorial … #editorchat

[20:07:21] WriteNowBiz: May I ask a stupid question? lol #editorchat

[20:07:28] rebeccalweber: This is usually too late for me (American writer living in South Africa) but I am dipping in for a few minutes #editorchat #editorchat

[20:07:47] JOHNABYRNE: “You often tweet about user-generated story ideas. How important are blogs and user comments in generating topics?” #editorchat

[20:08:13] WriteNowBiz: These messages are just to a group here not to all of our followers right? (some cross over) #editorchat

[20:08:16] miltoncontact: small publisher, editor and occasional business article writer – new & curious to event
#editorchat

[20:08:17] TMFZahrim: @milehighfool Sorry Tim, met my jerk quota for the night already #editorchat

[20:08:24] JOHNABYRNE: For us, this is all part of how journalism is changing from a product handed down by reporters to an audience. #editorchat

[20:08:46] Willowbottom: @WriteNowBiz if your followers haven’t filtered out #editorchat, they will see whatever you post except maybe not @ replies.

[20:09:00] JOHNABYRNE: To a process that embraces the user at every stage, from idea generation when you ask your readers for their best story ideas. #editorchat

[20:09:17] tweditor: @WriteNowBiz All of your followers will see tweets in this chat. Ask them to turn on www.twittersnooze.com if it bothers them. #editorchat

[20:09:20] JOHNABYRNE: To the middle where you tell your readership what you’re working on and ask them for suggestions on sourcing and other issues. #editorchat

[20:09:20] merylkevans: @JOHNABYRNE User-generated story ideas give you good insight into what interests the audience and build off of that. #editorchat

[20:09:28] jennipps: @WriteNowBiz Nope, they show up in your general tweet stream, too. #editorchat

[20:09:39] JOHNABYRNE: And at the end when the story becomes an intellectual fireplace around which the most meaningful conversations occur. #editorchat

[20:09:40] milehighfool: @WriteNowBiz How about we get the first question going? I’m sure we’ll have lots of time for other questions. #editorchat

[20:09:44] LydiaBreakfast: RT @JOHNABYRNE For us, this is all part of how journalism is changing from a product handed down by reporters to an audience. #editorchat

[20:10:09] JOHNABYRNE: Those discussions, involving readers and an editor or writer, are as valuable as the journalism that is produced. #editorchat

[20:10:23] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Reminds me of the permanent campaign. There’s no such thing as a static story anymore. #editorchat

[20:10:46] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE For us, this is all part of how journalism is changing from a product handed down by reporters to an audienc #editorchat

[20:10:48] littlebrownpen: User-generated content also drives traffic from the user’s blogs and websites. #editorchat

[20:11:10] JOHNABYRNE: 1) Search–which is transactional and undermines the relationships that media brands have with their audiences. #editorchat

[20:11:27] milehighfool: RT @JOHNABYRNE Those discussions, involving readers and an editor or writer, are as valuable as the journalism that is produced. #editorchat

[20:11:34] jennipps: RT @JOHNABYRNE Those discussions, involving readers and an editor or writer, are as valuable as the journalism that is produ #editorchat

[20:11:42] PDXsays: RT:@JOHNABYRNE At the end the story becomes an intellectual fireplace around which the most meaningful conversations occur. #editorchat

[20:11:46] littlebrownpen: RT @JOHNABYRNE Those discussions, involving readers and an editor or writer, are as valuable as the journalism that is produced. #editorchat

[20:11:50] JOHNABYRNE: 2) Behavioral targeting advertising–which undermines contextual advertising that has long supported journalism. #editorchat

[20:12:03] LifeofMichael: hello. Asst. ND at Sacramento TV station interested in #editorchat.

[20:12:32] JOHNABYRNE: Deeply engaging readers and converting them to partners is essential to induce loyalty and return visits. #editorchat

[20:12:54] bakercom1: uh,oh twitter search is acting screwy. #editorchat

[20:13:04] JOHNABYRNE: You’re right. There is no such thing as a static story anymore. Every story is alive and extended by virtue of this partnership. #editorchat

[20:13:29] jimmcbee: When http://blufftontoday.com reverse published online chatter in print, readers loved it, incl. those who didnt go online. #editorchat

[20:13:33] knitnrun: Melissa S. Technology consultant and technical writer. Working on grad school thesis. #editorchat First time here.

[20:13:44] littlebrownpen: And readers add valuable insight/debate and further the conversation. I’m as interested in comments as content. #editorchat

[20:13:50] rebeccalweber: @JOHNABYRNE Reading is never a passive act #editorchat #editorchat

[20:13:51] JOHNABYRNE: And encouraging reader ideas for stories does indeed give you smart insight into what your readers are keenly interested in. #editorchat

[20:13:53] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE No such thing as a static story anymore. Every story is alive and extended by virtue of this partnership. #editorchat

[20:13:58] sheigh: @JOHNABYRNE I don’t know. What if they arrived through organic search. What’s the real likelihood of inducing loyalty? #editorchat

[20:14:25] nealhannon: @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat Makes sense to me. If done correctly. Judgment is key. Highly engaged parties can bias results

[20:14:27] jennipps: RT @JOHNABYRNE Deeply engaging readers and converting them to partners is essential to induce loyalty and return visits. #editorchat

[20:14:34] JOHNABYRNE: My favorite example is from one of our senior writers Steve Baker who has a blog called blogspotting on our site. #editorchat

[20:14:35] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE What’s interesting, I think, is how the writer and editor manage this conversation together. Where’s the line? #editorchat

[20:14:59] miltoncontact: non-static stories a strength for blogs that can react to sitution – twitter at extremem end of this
#editorchat

[20:15:16] JOHNABYRNE: Early last year when he did a story on Twitter, Steve tweeted the topic sentences and asked tweeps to fill in the rest. #editorchat

[20:15:23] merylkevans: @jennipps That’s what Dallas Morning News is trying to do with Neighborsgo.com. Involve readers and the community. #editorchat

[20:15:33] Willowbottom: @knitnrun Welcome, Melissa S. #editorchat

[20:15:43] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE I can second this. We do it all the time at the Fool. There are more than 100,000 investors pitching stocks in CAPS. #editorchat

[20:15:44] JOHNABYRNE: It created terrific engagement among readers, seeded an audience for the story, and was truly innovative. #editorchat

[20:15:57] AlbertMaruggi: Baker class act ahead of the pack of New Breed journalist with old school cred. #editorchat

[20:16:27] jennipps: @JOHNABYRNE That’s an interesting way to do it. I’ve used Twitter for sources, but so far that’s been the extent of it. #editorchat

[20:16:32] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE And every pitch is a potential story idea. BW does this extremely well, too.
#editorchat

[20:16:41] anndouglas: Story generation loop: Reporting on new study -> add my commentary -> ask for reader feedback -> generate new research/stories. #editorchat

[20:16:43] JOHNABYRNE: Editors and writers need to understand how to create and build communities and then how to serve them. That’s part of the job. #editorchat

[20:17:04] LydiaBreakfast: @JOHNABYRNE What is the editor’s role in such organic growth #editorchat

[20:17:05] JOHNABYRNE: I also think the single biggest misconception about digital journalism is that it means multi-media. #editorchat

[20:17:15] milehighfool: RT @JOHNABYRNE Early last year when he did a story on Twitter, Steve tweeted the topic sentences and asked tweeps to fill in.
#editorchat

[20:17:14] chopapi: RT @shirleybrady: Reminder: @JOHNABYRNE of BusinessWeek guest hosting #editorchat tonight, 8-9:30 pm EDT. Join in! http://twurl.nl/spbpl3

[20:17:21] PDXsays: on #editorchat… BusinessWeeks @johnabyrne leading discussion (@michellerafter)

[20:17:37] shirleybrady: If you want to check out BW’s Blogspotting blog by Twitter vets @stevebaker & @heatherlgreen visit http://is.gd/baHg #editorchat

[20:17:37] JOHNABYRNE: What digital journalism really does is allow journalists to have a different and transformed relationship with readers. #editorchat

[20:17:38] anti9to5guide: Just joining. Michelle Goodman, career columnist, ABC News. Looks like great chat already
#editorchat

[20:17:41] milehighfool: RT @JOHNABYRNE Editors and writers need to understand how to create and build communities and then how to serve them. #editorchat

[20:17:46] miltoncontact: still a lot of inertia in general public to taking up opportunities – often dominated by communiction or tech relted businesses #editorchat

[20:17:51] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Isn’t there a fine line between engaging readers and getting copy/info/ideas for free? #editorchat

[20:18:20] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE Editors and writers need to understand how to create and build communities and then how to serve them #editorchat

[20:18:30] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE I also think the single biggest misconception about digital journalism is that it means multi-media. #editorchat

[20:18:37] JOHNABYRNE: Another great example from Baker was his cover story last year: “Social Media Will Change Your Business.” #editorchat

[20:18:39] mariaschneider: Problem is, once an editor/journalist can build and serve a community, what’s the need for mainstream publications? #editorchat

[20:19:08] miltoncontact: surely the problem is not how you get new ideas but what you do with them? #editorchat

[20:19:07] soultravelers3: RT @JOHNABYRNE Deeply engaging readers and converting them to partners is essential to induce loyalty and return visits. #editorchat

[20:19:11] chrisbechtel: RT @JOHNABYRNE What digital journalism does is allow journalists to have a different and transformed relationship with readers. #editorchat

[20:19:20] JOHNABYRNE: It was the most successful story of the year for us, generating the most traffic and comments–well over 4,000. #editorchat

[20:19:20] milehighfool: RT @BeckyDMBR @JOHNABYRNE Isn’t there a fine line between engaging readers and getting copy/info/ideas for free? #editorchat

[20:19:27] jimmcbee: @mariaschneider that community IS the publication.
#editorchat

[20:19:36] shirleybrady: @AlbertMaruggi Hi Albert – agree with you re @stevebaker – he was a pioneer here. #editorchat

[20:20:01] JOHNABYRNE: It was actually an update from a cover he did more than three years earlier on blogging. #editorchat

[20:20:04] miltoncontact: mainstream publications do have role as peer review or opportunities for collating material #editorchat

[20:20:04] anthonym2121: @tweditor talk about my tweets please #editorchat

[20:20:08] JDEbberly: RT @jimmcbee: @mariaschneider that community IS the publication. #editorchat

[20:20:09] phj_pdx: @TheSquare @StephStricklen If you weren’t so busy already you should be following #editorchat moderated by @JohnAByrne of BusWeek

[20:20:11] TMFZahrim: @JOHNABYRNE “Social Media Will Change Your Business.” — Yes, but most businesses struggle to understand how #editorchat

[20:20:16] JOHNABYRNE: Steve used his own blog to ask readers how things had changed since that last cover. #editorchat

[20:20:19] AlbertMaruggi: @JOHNABYRNE I have a classic story about @stephenbaker “Social Media Will Change Your Business” piece,,,
#editorchat

[20:20:28] MacDivaONA: @johnabyrne is leading tonight’s #editorchat, which should mean it’s a good session. Full disclosure, I’m a fan of his tweets.

[20:20:40] mobienthusiast: Editors, for local news on your site (not print) we need updates even w/o full story (San Diego fires, water main break) #editorchat

[20:20:40] JOHNABYRNE: Their feedback was played via hyperlinks in the old story as he began reporting his new piece on social media. #editorchat

[20:20:42] phj_pdx: e.g. RT:@JOHNABYRNE At the end the story becomes an intellectual fireplace around which the most meaningful conversations occur. #editorchat

[20:20:59] JDEbberly: RT @MacDivaONA: @johnabyrne is leading tonight’s #editorchat, which should mean it’s a good session. Full disclosure, I’m a fan of his t …

[20:20:59] Willowbottom: @mariaschneider Wouldn’t those editors/journalists still need to come together as a respected community to serve? #editorchat

[20:20:59] jennipps: RT @miltoncontact mainstream publications do have role as peer review or opportunities for collating material #editorchat

[20:21:11] BeckyDMBR: @Willowbottom I’m not talking about unformulated ideas. For ex. local newspaper wants “intensely local” news one day a week. #editorchat

[20:21:14] TMFZahrim: Social media doesn’t come easy to stodgy old behemoths like IBM, GE, even Disney under Iger #editorchat

[20:21:28] JOHNABYRNE: The result: all that interaction was used to inform the reporting of the story and we ended up w a cover that really resonated. #editorchat

[20:21:32] SpecialDee: What’s the most comprehensive tool for building a community? #editorchat

[20:21:39] mikepilarz: There’s a fascinating conversation going on over at #editorchat. Really great insight from BW’s @JOHNABYRNE, who is moderating, and others.

[20:21:41] joshchandler: RT @TMFZahrim: Social media doesn’t come easy to stodgy old behemoths like IBM, GE, even Disney under Iger #editorchat

[20:22:09] BeckyDMBR: @Willowbottom Paper “wants your photos, your stories” … etc., etc. But does paper pay? No. #editorchat

[20:22:25] JDEbberly: RT @mikepilarz: There’s a fascinating conversation going on over at #editorchat. Really great insight from BW’s @JOHNABYRNE, who is mode …

[20:22:32] jimmcbee: @TMFZahrim Nor to publishers and exec eds … try reaching them thru twitter, fb, linkedin. Ugh. #editorchat

[20:23:03] miltoncontact: most comprehensive tool for building a community is not technology itself but proactive key individuals #editorchat

[20:23:07] mobienthusiast: I mention this since not one #sandiego media person tweeted about broken water main on Monday, missed opportunity #editorchat

[20:23:09] shirleybrady: Here’s “Social Media Will Change Your Business” by Steve Baker & Heather Green – http://is.gd/40kp #editorchat

[20:23:17] littlebrownpen: Community was a big strategy during the dot-com boom. It was later abandoned as “silly.” What a difference a decade makes. #editorchat

[20:23:26] JOHNABYRNE: It’s really not about getting free content as much as it is about having respect for your audience that u want them as partners. #editorchat

[20:23:39] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR True enough. There has to be value to participating in the community to make it work. CAPS = stock ideas. #editorchat

[20:23:39] jennipps: RT @miltoncontact most comprehensive tool for building a community is not technology itself but proactive key individuals #editorchat

[20:23:55] JOHNABYRNE: Most journalists get their respect and their reinforcement from colleagues–not the people who consume their writing. #editorchat

[20:23:56] JDEbberly: RT @miltoncontact: most comprehensive tool for building a community is not technology itself but proactive key individuals #editorchat

[20:24:04] bob_bobala: @mobienthusiast Good point! Also here in San Diego… Joining late. #editorchat

[20:24:08] SpecialDee: #editorchat I’ve been looking at the “Conversation Prism” and that’s ALOT of community bldg tools http://bit.ly/jHPEA

[20:24:23] mobienthusiast: @JOHNABYRNE I admire that you are on twitter and join the conversation. So many media people just tweet stories, don’t converse #editorchat

[20:24:33] marialavis: Business Week Ed in chief, @JOHNABYRNE , is on tweet roll right now about digital journalism etc. #editorchat Interesting.

[20:24:43] Hjulcompaniet: I wonder how many hits this #editorchat will generate for businessweek. Interesting stream from the editor in chief.

[20:24:46] JOHNABYRNE: We need to understand the people we’re writing for and open up the process of journalism to improve our ability to serve them. #editorchat

[20:25:02] mariaschneider: I’m using a WordPress blog/ VBulletin software to build a community. I’ve been on on Ning networks and find it lacking a center. #editorchat

[20:25:03] marcusborba: Following #editorchat with @JOHNABYRNE

[20:25:06] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Yeah, but I think we have to be careful. When “mining the gold,” sometimes we have to be willing to pay for gold. #editorchat

[20:25:06] littlebrownpen: @JOHNABYRNE Agree. Genuine conversations and debate are the antidote to lazy minds. We’re all better for it. #editorchat

[20:25:09] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE Most journalists get their respect and reinforcement frm colleagues–not the people who consume their writing. #editorchat

[20:25:15] marciamarcia: Most journalists get their respect & reinforcement from colleagues–not the people who consume their writing. RT @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat

[20:25:38] jimmcbee: rt @JOHNABYRNE Most journalists get their respect, reinforcement from colleagues–not the people who consume their writing #editorchat

[20:25:38] TMFZahrim: RT @JOHNABYRNE: journalists get respect and reinforcement from colleagues–not the people who consume their writing #editorchat

[20:25:38] JOHNABYRNE: User engagement has become a buzz phrase of sorts. But few are really walking the talk. #editorchat

[20:25:57] shirleybrady: @SpecialDee I’ll have to check that out, looks interesting! #editorchat

[20:26:07] jennipps: RT @littlebrownpen @JOHNABYRNE Agree. Genuine conversations and debate are the antidote to lazy minds. We’re all better for it. #editorchat

[20:26:13] soultravelers3: RT @JOHNABYRNE What digital journalism does is allow journalists to have a different and transformed relationship with readers. #editorchat

[20:26:16] konadad: @JOHNABYRNE Do you consider the BW.com audience the same — or separate — from the print audience? #editorchat

[20:26:25] knitnrun: Audience as partners concept is not well-executed by many online media sites, still seeking to ‘serve’ (aka push) content. #editorchat

[20:26:29] mobienthusiast: @bob_bobala thanks. It was missed opportunity for #sandiego media to build trust. I got info re: fires from lifeguards not media #editorchat

[20:26:30] JOHNABYRNE: I think journalists aren’t creating enough gold–which I define as original, unique stories that really add value. #editorchat

[20:26:38] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE User engagement has become a buzz phrase of sorts. But few are really walking the talk. #editorchat

[20:26:42] rockstarjen: We need 2 understand people we’re writing 4 & open up process of journalism to improve ability 2 serve them. #editorchat (via @JOHNABYRNE)

[20:26:53] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE So where’s the line in user engagement? When does a user become a source and what’s the editor’s role in deciding? #editorchat

[20:26:57] karenhodkinson: Following #editorchat with @JOHNABYRNE. Fascinating stuff.

[20:27:03] JOHNABYRNE: You can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. How many Bernie Madoff pleads guilty stories can anyone read. #editorchat

[20:27:06] knitnrun: Twitter is a great example of where we are all building networks of partners and engaging in publishing content. #editorchat

[20:27:11] anndouglas: What media organizations are doing a really good job of engaging users, in your opinion? #editorchat

[20:27:11] tweditor: Still, engaging social media networks is just one more thing pub execs ask of journalists. Report! Blog! Film! Podcast! Tweet! #editorchat

[20:27:17] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE I’m not just talking about papers or “traditional” media. Many sites post blogger content for free. #editorchat

[20:27:26] jennipps: RT @JOHNABYRNE I think journalists aren’t creating enough gold–which I define as original, unique stories that really add value #editorchat

[20:27:38] JDEbberly: RT @knitnrun: Twitter is a great example of where we are all building networks of partners and engaging in publishing content. #editorchat

[20:27:45] bob_bobala: @mobienthusiast yeah, i wouldn’t have even known about it if some people in my office weren’t affected. #editorchat

[20:28:10] DougH: RT @JOHNABYRNE: I think journalists aren’t creating enough gold-which I define as original unique stories that really add value #editorchat

[20:28:13] milehighfool: Let me take that broader. How do the editors here decide to leverage community? Do you use them as sources? #editorchat

[20:28:16] lisasepiphany: RT @shirleybrady: Here’s “Social Media Will Change Your Business” by Steve Baker & Heather Green – http://is.gd/40kp #editorchat… perfect.

[20:28:17] ksablan: @JOHNABYRNE doing a great job moderating #editorchat. tweets read like article on user engagement.

[20:28:21] JanSimpson: @JOHNABYR do you consider yourself a liberal journalist? #editorchat

[20:28:23] JOHNABYRNE: There’s overlap in our print and online readers but generally our online users are 10 years younger and more highly educated. #editorchat

[20:28:27] jennipps: @JOHNABYRNE For that matter, IMO, how many do people really *want* to read? (And if many, I have to wonder why.) #editorchat

[20:28:30] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE Journalists aren’t creating enough gold–which I define as original, unique stories that really add value. #editorchat

[20:28:31] LydiaBreakfast: How closely are editors monitoring writers’ sources for this type of “gold?”
#editorchat

[20:28:40] DougH: Stumbled on #editorchat w/ @johnabyrne. whoa. Who else is taking part?

[20:28:52] JOHNABYRNE: Online readers also earn more than print readers and are more likely to be female. #editorchat

[20:28:53] BaileyMcC: RT@JOHNABYRNE:U can’t expect 2b paid for commoditized journalism. How many Bernie Madoff pleads guilty stories can anyone read. #editorchat

[20:28:58] SpecialDee: @shirleybrady I like the graphic; try it in list form and each section doesn’t seem as connected #editorchat

[20:29:13] anndouglas: RT: @JOHNABYRNE Journalists aren’t creating enough gold–which I define as original, unique stories that really add value. #editorchat

[20:29:12] mrinaldesai: @JOHNABYRNE interesting conundrum – do u write 4 what people want to read, is hot or do you tell the stories that should b told? #editorchat

[20:29:15] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE And those sites get the reputation (incorrectly) as great bastions of “citizen journalism” or even journalism. #editorchat

[20:29:16] milehighfool: RT @JOHNABYRNE You can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. #editorchat

[20:29:27] JDEbberly: @DougH Just jump on in, Doug! This is an informative discussion! #editorchat

[20:29:32] knitnrun: I think @lydiabreakfast brings up a good point. Sources are increasingly anonymous, and may be simply created in people’s minds. #editorchat

[20:29:32] JOHNABYRNE: Of our total audience, about 38% are online only; 31% magazine only & 31% are both online and print. #editorchat

[20:29:50] LydiaBreakfast: Online readers also earn more than print readers and are more likely to be female. Is anyone else seeing this? #editorchat

[20:29:51] JDEbberly: RT @ksablan: @JOHNABYRNE doing a great job moderating #editorchat. tweets read like article on user engagement.

[20:29:52] BaileyMcC: RT@JOHNABYRNE: I think journalists aren’t creating enough gold-which I define as original, unique stories that really add value. #editorchat

[20:29:57] AlbertMaruggi: @DougH that’s an interesting question who else is taking part, I guest everyone, and anyone, right, that’s the point? #editorchat

[20:30:10] JOHNABYRNE: Editors are constantly screening ideas and stories to get more gold but it’s an imperfect process. #editorchat

[20:30:12] rebeccalweber: Letters to the editor has always been my favorite section of every magazine. #editorchat

[20:30:16] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE …print and online readers overlap, but generally our online users are 10 years younger, more highly educated. #editorchat

[20:30:33] miltoncontact: @mrinaldesai write the stories that should be told in an interesting way to draw readers in #editorchat

[20:30:35] fromartz: interesting chat w/biz week’s John Byrne at #editorchat

[20:30:47] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Yes #editorchat

[20:30:55] JOHNABYRNE: That’s another reason engagement is key. The closer you get to your audience the more likely you are to make better judgments. #editorchat

[20:31:05] jennipps: RT @LydiaBreakfast Online readers also earn more than print readers and are more likely to be female. Is anyone else seeing this #editorchat

[20:31:07] rebeccalweber: @JOHNABYRNE What are the demographics of those who leave comments? #editorchat

[20:31:08] mobienthusiast: @JOHNABYRNE I also enjoy reading via mobile, and http://businessweek.mobi fits the bill #editorchat #mobi

[20:31:15] LifeofMichael: @knitnrun gosh i hope we haven’t all slipped to the point of “imagining” source material #editorchat

[20:31:18] jennipps: RT @JOHNABYRNE Editors are constantly screening ideas and stories to get more gold but it’s an imperfect process. #editorchat

[20:31:21] littlebrownpen: @JOHNABYRNE Commoditized journalism fueled Madoff and friend’s fires. No investigation? Go for it. We need investigative journs #editorchat

[20:31:22] knitnrun: @JOHNABYRNE How many BusinessWeek writers, editors, etc. are on Twitter? Does the org have a formal policy on usage? #editorchat

[20:31:23] Hjulcompaniet: #editorchat scripted vs unscripted.

[20:31:30] PDXsays: And here’s the gold! RT: (BusinessWeek Editor) @JOHNABYRNE Online readers earn more than print readers and more likely female. #editorchat -

[20:31:39] JOHNABYRNE: @rebeccalweber The beauty of online is that there is no limit to the voices or people who can participate in “letters.” #editorchat

[20:31:48] sfwriter: @johnabyrne re: commodity journalism, did you see Murdoch’s new memo to WSJ reporters? http://is.gd/oVuP #editorchat

[20:31:48] anndouglas: Excellent point! RT @BeckyDMBR When “mining the gold,” sometimes we have to be willing to pay for gold. #editorchat

[20:32:03] marciamarcia: I’d widen @JOHNABYRNE (BusinessWeek) def of “gold” to all of social media: original, unique stories that really add value. #editorchat

[20:32:19] knitnrun: @LifeofMichael Well… you never know what creepy crawlies are lurking behind some crazy profile #editorchat

[20:32:38] AlbertMaruggi: I’m concerned JOhn that you say closer to your readers,eg. Fox is real close to its viewers MSNBC theirs,but is that journalism? #editorchat

[20:32:58] miltoncontact: @JOHNABYRNE devils advocate – need some distance from readers for an objective or alternative view?
#editorchat

[20:33:10] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE IMO, a site that “mines gold” w/out paying for it on same level as journo putting byline on press-release info. #editorchat

[20:33:09] PDXsays: @marciamarcia talking about whence from whose pockets the money comes from in readership… #editorchat

[20:33:23] PromoMarketer: Some really good tweets by @JOHNABYRNE on #editorchat tonite.

[20:33:25] konadad: @JOHNABYRNE How much are you influenced by reader feedback? #editorchat

[20:33:33] mobienthusiast: Business Week Editor-in-Chief @JOHNABYRNE is now moderating discussion about journalism & social media #editorchat

[20:33:40] JOHNABYRNE: We now have nearly 30 blogs, over 40 editors and writers who tweet, 4,400 videos on the site, a dozen podcasts. #editorchat

[20:33:48] rebeccalweber: @JOHNABYRNE Exactly! Except that the editors usually do a good job of editing the letters… #editorchat

[20:33:52] JDEbberly: RT @mobienthusiast: Business Week Editor-in-Chief @JOHNABYRNE is now moderating discussion about journalism & social media #editorchat

[20:33:57] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR I think they call that “churnalism” #editorchat

[20:34:04] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: We now have nearly 30 blogs, over 40 editors and writers who tweet, 4,400 videos on the site, a dozen podcasts. #editorchat

[20:34:11] JOHNABYRNE: And we’re employing everything from Ning to Facebook, Flickr and YouTube to engage and interact with readers. #editorchat

[20:34:17] bob_bobala: @PDXsays I think it depends on subject matter. When I was at Motley Fool, our investor audience was older than we anticipated #editorchat

[20:34:37] TMFZahrim: @JOHNABYRNE 30 blogs 40 tweeps etc, yes — but is there a policy or did it just happen? #editorchat

[20:34:38] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: And we’re employing everything from Ning to Facebook, Flickr and YouTube to engage and interact with readers. #editorchat

[20:34:58] mathewi: RT @JOHNABYRNE: You can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. How many Bernie Madoff stories can anyone read #editorchat

[20:34:58] SpecialDee: Are online readers getting their news via feeds? even their local news? #editorchat

[20:35:10] JOHNABYRNE: We don’t have a formal policy on Twitter and some writers prefer to keep their accounts private and personal. #editorchat

[20:35:16] shirleybrady: Just counted: we now have 47 BW edit folks on Twitter – here’s the list: http://is.gd/bnNs #editorchat

[20:35:20] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Ah, thank you. I knew there was a word for it. #editorchat

[20:35:23] milehighfool: @bob_bobala They still are. But the community is wide-ranging. Therein lies the difficulty. Which community sources do you trust #editorchat

[20:35:25] vegtv: @DougH Too many bloggers Anyone with a website can gush whatever is on their mind. Some Vgood but Journaling is not Journalism #editorchat

[20:35:35] mobienthusiast: Retweet @ JOHNABYRNE: we’re employing everything from Ning to Facebook, Flickr & YouTube to engage and interact with readers. #editorchat

[20:35:41] JDEbberly: RT @shirleybrady: Just counted: we now have 47 BW edit folks on Twitter – here’s the list: http://is.gd/bnNs #editorchat

[20:35:53] merylkevans: @SpecialDee Online readers get news many ways: RSS, email, aggregator sites (ie Digg), and known media sites. #editorchat

[20:35:54] marciamarcia: We’re employing everything from Ning to FB, Flickr & YouTube to engage and interact with readers. via @JOHNABYRNE (40+ tweet) #editorchat

[20:36:27] mobienthusiast: Retweet shirleybrady: Just counted: we now have 47 BW edit folks on Twitter – here’s the list: http://is.gd/bnNs #editorchat

[20:36:29] vojtech: RT @JOHNABYRNE Online readers also earn more than print readers and are more likely to be female. #editorchat

[20:36:32] JOHNABYRNE: I’m greatly influenced by reader feedback. We’ve corrected stories on it. And we’ve done many stories based on reader ideas. #editorchat

[20:36:42] SpecialDee: On your site, can visitors leave comments by “signing in” with just a screen name or do they have to register? #editorchat

[20:36:56] AlbertMaruggi: @johnabyrne I’d like to share my two favorite journalism sites http://www.frontlineclub.com/ and http://www.nextnewsroom.com/ #editorchat

[20:37:07] JDEbberly: RT @vojtech: RT @JOHNABYRNE Online readers also earn more than print readers and are more likely to be female. #editorchat

[20:37:06] PDXsays: @JOHNABYRNE had u reviewed policies – such as Intel and Dell have – to make that decision about accounts? #editorchat

[20:37:10] knitnrun: @shirleybrady thanks for the list of BW folks on Twitter. #editorchat

[20:37:12] RandomReTweet: RT @JDEbberly RT @vojtech: RT @JOHNABYRNE Online readers also earn more than print readers and are more likely to be female. #editorchat

[20:37:17] konadad: @JOHNABYRNE If I’m not mistaken, the NYTimes has a formal policy on the use of social networking sites by their editors. #editorchat

[20:37:18] shirleybrady: Can’t forget our colleagues at @BWBX + BW tech folks and other non-edit here, too. All on for different reasons – not mandated! #editorchat

[20:37:18] shortformblog: Hey all. Ernie Smith, news designer, Wash. Post’s Express; editor, http://shortformblog.com/. @jimmcbee is a buddy of mine. #editorchat

[20:37:41] bob_bobala: @JOHNABYRNE Heck, at the Fool we hired people right out of the community (see Tim Beyers) #editorchat

[20:37:48] tweditor: @JOHNABYRNE You are in an enviable position to receive feedback. Many trade pubs, smaller pubs, receive little (from prison). #editorchat

[20:37:58] Willowbottom: @JOHNABYRNE Realizing that you’re greatly influenced by reader feedback/story ideas, how do you ensure ur mission is consistent? #editorchat

[20:38:09] JOHNABYRNE: If we’re quoting from a Tweet stream, our policy is to ask the user if we can do so–particularly if it’s a non-public person. #editorchat

[20:38:34] JOHNABYRNE: Online only stories are usually shorter and more to the point. But that’s not always true. #editorchat

[20:38:37] LydiaBreakfast: A reminder tweeps. Stay on topic and BE POLITE. #editorchat

[20:38:40] AlbertMaruggi: @johnabyrne can you share criteria for determining which stories are video, audio podcast or blog candidates? #editorchat

[20:38:45] mariaschneider: Would you ever quote from social media if you couldn’t confirm the source? #editorchat

[20:38:54] TMFZahrim: RT @bob_bobala: Heck, at the Fool we hired people right out of the community (I’m another example) #editorchat

[20:39:03] jennipps: RT @JOHNABYRNE Online only stories are usually shorter and more to the point. But that’s not always true. #editorchat

[20:39:08] SpecialDee: Also, do visitors have to fill in a form if they want to connect w/staff or does an email form open up? #editorchat

[20:39:10] AlbertMaruggi: @Willowbottom great question on mission, had same thoughts

[20:39:43] JOHNABYRNE: Most magazine writers tackle a topic in one story and walk away from it for space reasons. #editorchat

[20:39:44] shirleybrady: @AlbertMaruggi Must check those out (thx) #editorchat

[20:39:48] mobienthusiast: Journalists, which one of your publications has a mobile site with .mobi extension? I’m making a directory #editorchat #mobi

[20:39:57] rebeccalweber: @mariaschneider Wouldn’t want to quote *anybody if you couldn’t confirm the source #editorchat

[20:39:57] bob_bobala: @TMFZahrim Hi, Anders! #editorchat

[20:40:09] JOHNABYRNE: Online, you can keep coming back as if you were writing for a daily newspaper. And you can do more series reporting online. #editorchat

[20:40:31] milehighfool: So if community is the watchword, isn’t all news about to become news analysis? Capturing the zeitgeist? #editorchat

[20:40:37] foleymo: Who’s moderating? What’s the question? #editorchat

[20:40:39] chadrem: @JOHNABYRNE and then there’s fivethirtyeight.com #editorchat

[20:40:39] AlbertMaruggi: @shirleybrady frontline is Indie journalists in war torn countries and oppressed areas. How they do it is amazing. #editorchat

[20:40:57] merylkevans: @JOHNABYRNE Online makes it possible to reference things though links instead of explaining them every time. #editorchat

[20:41:00] wardchristianj: @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat That is an interesting policy on the quoting of Tweet. It is very hard to know who is whom…

[20:41:13] milehighfool: RT @JOHNABYRNE Online, you can keep coming back as if you were writing for a daily newspaper. And you can do more series. #editorchat

[20:41:15] JOHNABYRNE: Good question on what becomes a story, a video, a slideshow, a podcast, a narrated photo essay, etc. #editorchat

[20:41:28] marciamarcia: So if community is the watchword, isn’t all news about to become news analysis? Capturing the zeitgeist? via @milehighfool #editorchat

[20:41:30] GinaLaGuardia: @milehighfool Hey — sneaking in late tonight. Can’t wait to catch up/jump in. : #editorchat

[20:41:36] JOHNABYRNE: We have an interesting video strategy. Most sites silo off their video into some sort of ghetto. #editorchat

[20:41:38] wolfemanmatt: @JOHNABYRNE In addition to coming back to topics, the ability to share past coverage is something that’s impossible in print. #editorchat

[20:41:44] jennipps: RT @merylkevans @JOHNABYRNE Online makes it possible to reference things though links instead of explaining them every time. #editorchat

[20:41:49] AlbertMaruggi: @shirleybrady Next Newsroom is Duke U, project led by Mercury News Biz writer Chris O’brien -6 principles of new newsroom. #editorchat

[20:42:08] JOHNABYRNE: I think they use the computer screen like a 1950s TV set by siloing off video clips. #editorchat

[20:42:11] jimmcbee: @milehighfool Community’s critical, but someone must ask the tough questions. Officially or otherwise. Or wait for Jon Stewart. #editorchat

[20:42:21] LydiaBreakfast: @GinaLaGuardia Hi Gina, so glad you could make it #editorchat

[20:42:25] DougH: RT @JOHNABYRNE: If we’re quoting from a Tweet stream, our policy is to ask if we can do so-partic if it’s a non-public person. #editorchat

[20:42:28] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE Online makes it possible to reference things though links instead of explaining them every time. #editorchat

[20:42:35] JOHNABYRNE: We’re trying to integrate video with text, placing complementary videos inside stories to change the user experience. #editorchat

[20:42:41] knitnrun: @JOHNABYRNE Interested in risk to BW brand if someone becomes disgruntled and is affiliated with BW. No policy, what do you do? #editorchat

[20:42:55] GinaLaGuardia: @LydiaBreakfast Hey Lydia. Happy to be here. Thanks! #editorchat

[20:42:59] dmac1: For biz journalists, being on Twitter is not only about being where the reader is, it’s often where the source is #editorchat

[20:43:06] rogeroldham: RT @JOHNABYRNE: U can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. How many Madoff pleads guilty stories can anyone read #editorchat

[20:43:21] marciamarcia: @wolfemanmatt Weaving the thread through pieces over time adds in a wonderful new dimension and richness to stories. #editorchat

[20:43:30] JOHNABYRNE: If you put the video in your most highly trafficked stories and you make sure it’s not redundant, you integrate it all. #editorchat

[20:43:39] milehighfool: A tip for tweeps using TweetDeck or another client. You can also filter @colorsign if you prefer. #editorchat

[20:43:42] littlebrownpen: @jimmcbee A lot of the tough questions come from the community. The community holds you accountable to an extent. #editorchat

[20:43:54] ATLCheap: Jennifer Maciejewski, Atlanta-based writer & blogger. Interesting discussion so far; look forward to catching up & jumping in. #editorchat

[20:44:02] wolfemanmatt: RT @JOHNABYRNE We’re trying to integrate video with text, placing complementary videos inside stories to change user experience. #editorchat

[20:44:10] JOHNABYRNE: We’ve been able to quadruple the monthly video streams with this new strategy with no increase in resources & fewer videos. #editorchat

[20:44:14] jennipps: @milehighfool Just found that feature in Tweetchat too under User Control. #editorchat

[20:44:18] shirleybrady: @AlbertMaruggi Thanks for flagging, Albert! #editorchat

[20:44:38] GinaLaGuardia: @ATLCheap Hey — are you the Jennifer I know? #editorchat

[20:44:39] rebeccalweber: Off to bed. Hope a future session can be a few hours earlier, engage us folks east of the Atlantic! #editorchat

[20:44:45] dodgemedlin: San Diego U-T asst. news editor here, leaping onto the moving train that is #editorchat. #editorchat

[20:44:48] MikeLizun: RT @dmac1: For biz journalists, being on Twitter is not only about being where the reader is, it’s often where the source is #editorchat

[20:45:21] JOHNABYRNE: I think it’s premature to write the obituary for the American newspaper. In both Denver and Seattle….#editorchat

[20:45:26] LydiaBreakfast: @rebeccalweber Glad you made it for part of the chat – thanks! #editorchat

[20:45:33] jimmcbee: @littlebrownpen We need to get good at harnessing communities tough questions, instead of fearing them. #editorchat

[20:45:39] ekarofsky: Great tweets by @JOHNABYRNE at #editorchat

[20:45:42] anndouglas: RT @dmac1 For biz journalists, being on Twitter is not only about being where the reader is, it’s often where the source is #editorchat

[20:45:53] konadad: @JOHNABYRNE Curious. Which gets more BW.com traffic: a story, a video, a slideshow, a podcast, a narrated photo essay? #editorchat

[20:45:54] fromartz: @johnabyrne do videos get more traffic than stories #editorchat

[20:45:59] JOHNABYRNE: We had victims of what Warren Buffett called “The Survival of the Fattest.” #editorchat

[20:46:00] GinaLaGuardia: Hi, #editorchat, @JOHNABYRNE… Former magazine EIC, online editorial director here — doing my best to catch up.

[20:46:03] milehighfool: @rebeccalweber Thanks for joining. Say hi to my friends in Jo’burg and on the Cape. #editorchat

[20:46:21] JOHNABYRNE: Denver & Seattle were two-newspaper towns and the fattest ones won the war. #editorchat

[20:46:25] PDXsays: HUZZAH! RT: @JOHNABYRNE I think it’s premature to write the obituary for the American newspaper. In both Denver and Seattle….#editorchat

[20:46:31] BaileyMcC: RT @dmac1 For biz journalists, being on Twitter is not only about being where the reader is, it’s often where the source is #editorchat

[20:46:32] shortformblog: @johnabyrne I agree. Newspapers aren’t dead yet – though the massive debt their companies are under isn’t helping. #editorchat

[20:46:42] KamaTimbrell: Note authors. Read. RT @JOHNABYRNE: Most magazine writers tackle a topic in one story and walk away from it for space reasons. #editorchat

[20:46:48] JOHNABYRNE: That said, we’re going into a very painful and difficult transition that will see a lot of newspapers go out of business. #editorchat

[20:46:54] mobienthusiast: @dodgemedlin is San Diego U-T asst. news editor, thanks for joining #editorchat #sandiego

[20:46:55] anti9to5guide: Thx for the great insights. Going to jump of and catch a slice of rare Seattle sunshine. Michelle Goodman, freelance writer #editorchat

[20:47:01] JOHNABYRNE: Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[20:47:09] shirleybrady: @rebeccalweber Any questions/topics you’d like addressed? Transcript will be posted here later: http://is.gd/jdzo #editorchat

[20:47:16] GinaLaGuardia: RT @JOHNABYRNE: …engagement is key. The closer you get to your audience, the more likely you are to make better judgments. #editorchat

[20:47:30] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Thanks for stopping in, Michelle. #editorchat

[20:47:36] JDEbberly: RT @rebeccalweber Any questions/topics you’d like addressed? Transcript will be posted here later: http://is.gd/jdzo #editorchat

[20:47:37] LydiaBreakfast: @anti9to5guide Thanks for coming Michelle #editorchat

[20:47:38] ESedlockGrammer: RT @JOHNABYRNE Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[20:47:38] JOHNABYRNE: But newspapers and magazines that deliver unique value will make it. They just have to change–dramatically. #editorchat

[20:47:58] janeco: hi everyone, another time conflict, what’d I miss? #editorchat

[20:48:01] MikeLizun: RT @konadad: @JOHNABYRNE Curious. Which gets more BW.com traffic: story, video, slideshow, podcast, a narrated photo essay? #editorchat

[20:48:04] colorsign: @JOHNABYRNE And what was so bad about was that it didn’t have to happen. But you quit advocating for your readers. #editorchat

[20:48:04] dfiske: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[20:48:04] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[20:48:07] Willowbottom: @JOHNABYRNE At an emotional level, how do ur staff deal w/pubs “kaputting” knowing they’re competition but also it’s a bad sign? #editorchat

[20:48:12] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: But newspapers and magazines that deliver unique value will make it. They just have to change–dramatically. #editorchat

[20:48:16] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE I wonder how many Web magazines went with them. Too many, I’m sure. #editorchat

[20:48:23] jtlongandco: Where will the journalists go after the newsrooms close? What jobs need their transferrable skills? #editorchat

[20:48:29] shortformblog: @johnabyrne Do you think the Maryland senator’s proposal to save newspapers will help? Or is it an affront to freedom of speech? #editorchat

[20:48:27] waynesutton: Retweet @dmac1 For biz journalists, being on Twitter is not only about being where the reader is, it’s often where the source is #editorchat

[20:48:29] JOHNABYRNE: An individual slideshow generates the most traffic largely because there are more pages to see. #editorchat

[20:48:33] littlebrownpen: RT @JOHNABYRNE: But newspapers and magazines that deliver unique value will make it. They just have to change–dramatically. #editorchat

[20:48:47] dodgemedlin: @JOHNABYRNE We *all* ought to be delivering unique value. Any pub. that doesn’t deserves what it gets. #editorchat

[20:48:48] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Yeah, I’m thinking the fattest newspapers won’t last in the current model. #editorchat

[20:48:55] wolfemanmatt: @JOHNABYRNE What do the newspapers have to change? The content, delivery, or business model? #editorchat

[20:48:55] shirleybrady: @dmac1 Welcome Doug MacMillan! One of BW’s tech writers & a SM ace – great use at #SXSW etc. Any Q’s for a BW reporter? #editorchat

[20:49:08] mobienthusiast: @JOHNABYRNE the million dollar question is how can newspapers transition to online/mobile and stay in business? #editorchat

[20:49:19] shortformblog: @johnabyrne (To clarify, specifically freedom of the press.) #editorchat

[20:49:19] a2editor: @JOHNABYRNE My hometown paper just announced that it’s closing in July after 174 yrs. But it was not delivering unique value… #editorchat

[20:49:21] MikeLizun: RT @JOHNABYRNE: An individual slideshow generates the most traffic largely because there are more pages to see. #editorchat

[20:49:30] konadad: @JOHNABYRNE Your thoughts on the Stewart/Cramer smackdown? #editorchat

[20:49:31] knitnrun: @JOHNABYRNE Too late for newspapers touted as knockin’ on death’s door? Will pressure lead to radical transformation? #editorchat

[20:49:32] rajmanohar21: RT@JOHNABYRNEWe had victims of what Warren Buffett called “The Survival of the Fattest.” #editorchat

[20:49:48] tweditor: Rolling Stone editor wrote (paraph.) What if some cyberterrorist zaps communications infrastructure? You’ll wish for newspapers. #editorchat

[20:49:49] JOHNABYRNE: It’s a tough time to be a journalist today. So there are a lot of very worried people in the biz. #editorchat

[20:49:49] marciamarcia: @jtlongandco Before hiring downturn I saw companies & nonprofits hiring journalists to capture the stories that create culture. #editorchat

[20:49:50] PDXsays: RT @JOHNABYRNE But newspapers and magazines that deliver unique value will make it. They just have to change–dramatically. #editorchat

[20:49:55] jtlongandco: @rebeccalweber RT Any questions/topics you’d like addressed? Transcript will be posted here later: http://is.gd/jdzo #editorchat

[20:49:57] merylkevans: @mobienthusiast Newspapers need to interact with social media and bridge print with web. #editorchat

[20:49:58] littlebrownpen: @jtlongandco The world needs intelligent thought. They will rise to the top. #editorchat

[20:50:07] anndouglas: @johnabyrne, Do you find it is works best to offer video clip in short segments which are distributed throughout story or 1 pc? #editorchat

[20:50:14] kristoforlawson: @JOHNABYRNE – the problem to me seems to be newspaper’s reliance on advertising. The need to get back to making quality content! #editorchat

[20:50:16] JDEbberly: RT @merylkevans: @mobienthusiast Newspapers need to interact with social media and bridge print with web. #editorchat

[20:50:30] milehighfool: @dmac1 Glad you could make it, Doug. #editorchat

[20:50:30] JOHNABYRNE: @a2editor And what’s surprising is that it had served a smart and vibrant community in Ann Arbor. #editorchat

[20:50:48] mobienthusiast: Local media needs to provide instant local emergency info prominently on front page of sites, not run the story later in the day #editorchat

[20:51:05] mikepilarz: As a reader, I’m finding myself reprioritize my “must-read” publications, favoring those whose journalists tweet & do it well #editorchat

[20:51:06] PDXsays: @JOHNABYRNE I think that is true of almost all biz, with transitions to SM and economy #editorchat

[20:51:18] JOHNABYRNE: I think there are three absolutes in today’s media world. You can argue any of them but I maintain they’re pretty much true. #editorchat

[20:51:22] pjackson: RT @JOHNABYRNE newspapers and magazines that deliver unique value will make it. Just have to change–dramatically. #editorchat >> AGREE.

[20:51:34] a2editor: @JOHNABYRNE They say we’re ready for a switch to online-only b/c we’re a tech-savvy community, but it’s certainly not the same. #editorchat

[20:51:46] dodgemedlin: @mobienthusiast More sites are doing that, w/blog-style entries on the home page, esp. during emergencies. #editorchat

[20:51:47] knitnrun: @kristoforlawson Great point on reliance on advertising $$$ for revenue. Where will new rev streams emerge for survivors? #editorchat

[20:51:48] kristoforlawson: RT @JOHNABYRNE: It’s a tough time to be a journalist today. So there are a lot of very worried people in the biz. #editorchat

[20:51:59] LydiaBreakfast: @JOHNABYRNE And a lot of brand new freelancers. Do you think pubs will continue to use them in lieu of hiring permanent staff? #editorchat

[20:52:14] ivanoransky: Great chat going on involving Twitter journalist master @JOHNABYRNE right now at #editorchat

[20:52:18] miltoncontact: lets get real, there must be income to support journalism & journalists for medium to survive, current shift away from consumer #editorchat

[20:52:24] knitnrun: Great point @kristoforlawson on reliance on advertising $$$ for revenue. Where will new rev streams emerge for survivors? #editorchat

[20:52:27] shortformblog: @kristoforlawson Focusing on content isn’t an option when the ad market is in the toilet, it seems. #editorchat

[20:52:28] jtlongandco: I see journalists going to pr, political, academia, marketing, of course web (if they don’t need to eat). Where else? #editorchat

[20:52:32] smallbizlady: RT @waynesutton @dmac1 For biz journalists, being on Twitter is not only about being where the reader is, it’s often the source #editorchat

[20:52:37] JOHNABYRNE: 2) Online advertising cannot offset the print decline or save a print product. Too much online inventory from too many rivals. #editorchat

[20:52:43] JDEbberly: RT @ivanoransky: Great chat going on involving Twitter journalist master @JOHNABYRNE right now at #editorchat

[20:52:45] milehighfool: @dmac1 You’re on the front lines. How much of writing is informed by the BW community? Twitter? #editorchat

[20:52:45] janeco: @LydiaBreakfast I would think freelancers keep the overhead down #editorchat

[20:52:45] anndouglas: RT @johnabyrne Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[20:52:49] mitchjoel: You are focusing on content. I say focus on the advertising. Newspapers sell advertising, not content. Learn those new models. #editorchat

[20:52:58] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Who are the most involved social-media journalists you know? @newmediajim and @ricksanchezcnn top my list. #editorchat

[20:53:02] JOHNABYRNE: 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat

[20:53:11] mobienthusiast: @merylkevans my beef: local emergency stories not tweeted or on front page of local media, i.e. fires/water main break #sandiego #editorchat

[20:53:11] jeffkart: @JOHNABYRNE they said radio, movies and tv would kill us. newspapers that adapt(ed) will survive. #editorchat

[20:53:17] shortformblog: To go along with my comments about ad revenue, I suggest you guys check out http://revenuetwopointzero.com/ #rev2oh #editorchat

[20:53:21] CathyWebSavvyPR: @JOHNABYRNE the million dollar question is how can newspapers transition to online/mobile and stay in business? #editorchat

[20:53:21] JOHNABYRNE: The upshot: Nothing less than radical transformation is necessary to succeed in the future. #editorchat

[20:53:41] JOHNABYRNE: Problem is, most people in media cling to those three absolutes as if they are white lies and don’t change. #editorchat

[20:53:44] phdinparenting: @anndouglas I subscribed to one of them….not happy! #editorchat

[20:53:50] CathyWebSavvyPR: RT @JOHNABYRNE 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat

[20:53:52] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: The upshot: Nothing less than radical transformation is necessary to succeed in the future. #editorchat

[20:53:59] JOHNABYRNE: So they cling to the hope that print advertising will come back. #editorchat

[20:54:07] knitnrun: @LydiaBreakfast Maybe nat’l heathcare will happen is the demise of corporate emps in so many industries like pub (freelancers) #editorchat

[20:54:10] shortformblog: I took part in #rev2oh over the weekend, and we tried coming up with ad models even though we’re editorial people. #editorchat

[20:54:11] ATLCheap: @GinaLaGuardia Why, yes I am the Jennifer you know. So many great tweets, it’s tricky catching up tonight. #editorchat

[20:54:12] littlebrownpen: @JOHNABYRNE What are your thoughts on that transformation? Seems BW is ahead of the curve. #editorchat

[20:54:13] PDXsays: @CathyWebSavvyPR printing is a huge investment to just toss over, true #editorchat

[20:54:19] JOHNABYRNE: They think that some day online advertising will offset the print decline and help support a broken print model. #editorchat

[20:54:19] merylkevans: @mobienthusiast My local paper and some TV news stations are good about posting breaking news on its home page. #editorchat

[20:54:25] bob_bobala: We’re talking a lot about the downfall of print. But there’s more opportunity than ever to get your stuff out in the world. #editorchat

[20:54:29] janeco: RT @JOHNABYRNE: The upshot: Nothing less than radical transformation is necessary to succeed in the future. #editorchat

[20:54:39] CathyBrowne: RT @mitchjoel: You are focusing on content. I say focus on the advertising. Newspapers sell advertising, not content.#editorchat

[20:54:44] broksas: I shouldn’t be surprised RT @JOHNABYRNE: Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[20:54:54] bob_bobala: You just have to be skilled enough to get the cream to rise to the top. #editorchat

[20:54:56] JOHNABYRNE: And they think that their competitors will die and therefore they’ll be able to charge for content. #editorchat

[20:55:01] shortformblog: You have to think outside the box, really, to save this industry. And thinking about ads might just be the ticket. #rev2oh #editorchat

[20:55:07] dodgemedlin: @shortformblog Rev2.0 came up with a lot of good stuff. It’ll be interesting to see how it’s put into practice. #editorchat

[20:55:12] kristoforlawson: @shortformblog – newspapers definitely need to worry about content first. People buy stuff if its actually worth reading #editorchat

[20:55:18] JOHNABYRNE: All these things prevent incumbents from embracing the transformational changes they need to survive and succeed. #editorchat

[20:55:24] jimmcbee: rt @JOHNABYRNE Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat

[20:55:32] WriteNowBiz: Isn’t it true the ‘turnover’ of online is more? Things seem “old news” faster? #editorchat

[20:55:35] miltoncontact: Time for bed here in Cambridge, thanks for interesting chat
#editorchat

[20:55:37] ginakay: @JOHNABYRNE Tough 2 B journalist > confirming a story’s validity is difficult, particularly if story seeds/threads are online? #editorchat

[20:55:36] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: And they think that their competitors will die and therefore they’ll be able to charge for content. #editorchat

[20:55:38] GinaLaGuardia: @ATLCheap Excellent — nice to see you on here. Following you. And yes, I’m doing my best to read-read-read. #editorchat

[20:55:43] gfcorbett: RT @JOHNABYRNE 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat

[20:55:50] colorsign: @JOHNABYRNE Only David Faber has come close to telling me (and most others I figure) about toxic assets. Will print get it? #editorchat

[20:55:53] knitnrun: RT @JOHNABYRNE: They think that some day online advertising will offset the print decline and help support a broken print model. #editorchat

[20:56:01] dmac1: @milehighfool Few stories I write get published on BW without being vetted by readers at some point in process #editorchat

[20:56:08] PDXsays: @JOHNABYRNE that’s morose.. wait for you neighbor to die of the plague to raid their food pantry…? surely that is not a biz mo #editorchat

[20:56:12] JDEbberly: @miltoncontact See you next week, Milton! Nice reading your tweets! #editorchat

[20:56:13] shortformblog: @kristoforlawson Tell that to the people paying our paychecks. I’ve already been laid off once in the last six months. #editorchat

[20:56:16] dodgemedlin: @bob_bobala That’s the irony. More people are reading newspapers’ stuff than ever before. It’s the money that’s the problem. #editorchat

[20:56:18] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Print advertising is not coming back. What papers need to learn is successful online biz models. #editorchat

[20:56:22] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat

[20:56:25] jennipps: @kristoforlawson Definitely. Local paper here alternates mostly advertising/articles. I’ve seen it said they sell more w/article #editorchat

[20:56:43] leighgrace: Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat (via @JOHNABYRNE)

[20:56:44] JOHNABYRNE: Transformation is really hard and painful. That’s why a lot of players aren’t going to make it. #editorchat

[20:56:47] chuckhemann: RT @JOHNABYRNE: They think that some day online advertising will offset the print decline and help support a broken print model. #editorchat

[20:56:51] MikeLizun: RT @dmac1: @milehighfool Few stories I write get published on BW without being vetted by readers at some point in process #editorchat

[20:57:02] JOHNABYRNE: I had a fascinating discussion this afternoon with our chief economist Mike Mandell. #editorchat

[20:57:04] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Transformation is really hard and painful. That’s why a lot of players aren’t going to make it. #editorchat

[20:57:04] mitchjoel: What is Craigslist and Huffington Post doing right? Why aren’t newspapers and magazines doing that? #editorchat.

[20:57:09] marciamarcia: User engagement has become a buzz phrase (few are really walking the talk) in journalism & society at large. #editorchat

[20:57:15] JOHNABYRNE: He maintains that within three years, there will be a media boom. #editorchat

[20:57:26] littlebrownpen: Anyone else willing to pay for content? I do and am, but most people aren’t there yet. #editorchat

[20:57:27] knitnrun: @WriteNowBiz Turnover is fast. Even on Twitter I see links several days old. If not today’s date, I try not to link. #editorchat

[20:57:38] JOHNABYRNE: It will largely occur through entrepreneurship and the ease of entry into the business via the Net. #editorchat

[20:57:36] JDEbberly: RT @marciamarcia: User engagement has become a buzz phrase (few are really walking the talk) in journalism & society at large. #editorchat

[20:57:39] shortformblog: rt @JOHNABYRNE Transformation is really hard and painful. That’s why a lot of players aren’t going to make it. #editorchat #editorchat

[20:57:39] edwardboches: agree with John #editorchat, I was Creative Director for MPA for years, and also head an ad agency, print adv is over

[20:57:51] BaileyMcC: Look over @JOHNABYRNE ‘s stream for some much needed realism about where we stand on journalism/newspapers et al as he moderates #editorchat

[20:57:54] LydiaBreakfast: @JOHNABYRNE Does that mean more community content? If so will it require more or less staff? #editorchat

[20:57:55] JOHNABYRNE: A new generation of entrepreneur/journalists will emerge to lead this boom. #editorchat

[20:57:56] mitchjoel: It’s actually not about the content. It’s about debt and legacy contracts and unions that leave them unable to evolve. #editorchat.

[20:57:56] kathyoreilly: totally agree @CathyWebSavvyPR @JOHNABYRNE Subscribers r more likely 2 pay 4 content they can’t find anywhere else #editorchat

[20:58:05] dmac1: Sometimes, comments to previous stories or discussions on Twitter help form ideas. Other times, I have a story & I ask for input #editorchat

[20:58:16] anndouglas: RT @BeckyDMBR Print advertising is not coming back. What papers need to learn is successful online biz models. #editorchat

[20:58:18] BeckyDMBR: @littlebrownpen Depends on the content. #editorchat

[20:58:25] bob_bobala: @dodgemedlin Agreed. From a writer’s perspective you probably have to write more across disciplines to have an impact and $ #editorchat

[20:58:30] JOHNABYRNE: And it will result in a media bubble. Part of the logic is based on the removal of the big costs of production & distribution. #editorchat

[20:58:28] kristoforlawson: @jennipps – i stopped buying my local paper because it was all advertising and no quality content. I felt ripped off. #editorchat

[20:58:30] howlvenice: Print magazines are just like the car companies. acknowledging disruptive technologies too late to maintain existing revenues. #editorchat

[20:58:34] MimiAndelman: Local papers do own one thing — local news. Now cover it! #editorchat

[20:58:37] billso: RT @johnabyrne “Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the USA went kaput. #editorchat“

[20:58:44] shortformblog: @littlebrownpen I think people should pay for the model, not the content. Add value to the model – iPhone apps are one way. #editorchat

[20:58:44] JOHNABYRNE: Right now, though, it’s hard to imagine us having a media boom, no less a media bubble. #editorchat

[20:58:46] rajmanohar21: rt@JOHNABYRNEA new generation of entrepreneur/journalists will emerge to lead this boom. #editorchat

[20:58:49] edwardboches: #editorchat challenge will be how to connect on niche special interest basis and add very narrow value, rather than broad to gen $$

[20:59:00] jimmcbee: rt @JOHNABYRNE news transformation will occur through entrepreneurship and the ease of entry via the Net. #editorchat

[20:59:10] rajmanohar21: RT@JOHNABYRNEIt will largely occur through entrepreneurship and the ease of entry into the business via the Net. #editorchat

[20:59:11] jeremymeyers: @JOHNABYRNE John you should consolidate all of this information into a blog post #editorchat

[20:59:12] milehighfool: Isn’t a media boom already underway? Twitter, blogs, even Facebook. This is all media in some form. Just not the media we know. #editorchat

[20:59:12] sfwriter: I can’t wait for that boom! Sounds like much more fun than watching newspapers die. #editorchat

[20:59:13] TMFZahrim: Web has been niche while print was mainstream. Role reversal going on. #editorchat

[20:59:14] GinaLaGuardia: Rock on! RT @JOHNABYRNE: A new generation of entrepreneur/journalists will emerge to lead this [media] boom. #editorchat

[20:59:15] ajkeen: examples? please name names, John RT @JOHNABYRNE A new generation of entrepreneur/journalists will emerge to lead this boom. #editorchat

[20:59:20] JOHNABYRNE: I think hyper-local sites have a good future and that should mean more community journalism. #editorchat

[20:59:20] jtlongandco: Craigslist and Huffpo don’t pay their writers. How is that sustainable? #editorchat

[20:59:22] JDEbberly: rt @JOHNABYRNE news transformation will occur through entrepreneurship and the ease of entry via the Net. #editorchat

[20:59:26] jennipps: @kristoforlawson I do too. And too much late news. Then again, newspaper print is hard for me to read, but my dad gets it. #editorchat

[20:59:30] PDXsays: @JOHNABYRNE spoke w/ a tech start up last week who is doing just that.news such as that… but where is the credibility of truth #editorchat

[20:59:38] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: I think hyper-local sites have a good future and that should mean more community journalism. #editorchat

[20:59:40] StevePR104: @CathyBrowne wait…newspapers deliver audience. If people can get their content from elsewhere, they no longer need papers. #editorchat

[20:59:44] shortformblog: @littlebrownpen The ads pay for your paycheck. The three quarters you drop in the box pay for (some of) the newsprint. #editorchat

[20:59:46] AlbertMaruggi: @mitchjoel when you say unions, let’s call it quality of life wage. it issue is laid off local journalist can’t make a living #editorchat

[20:59:54] benhedrington: John Byrne is Tweeting some powerful stuff about the future of print media right now… Wow! http://bit.ly/hf854 #editorchat

[20:59:59] rajmanohar21: RT@JOHNABYRNETransformation is really hard and painful. That’s why a lot of players aren’t going to make it. #editorchat

[20:59:59] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: A new generation of entrepreneur/journalists will emerge to lead this [media] boom. #editorchat

[21:00:02] JOHNABYRNE: Some of that content will be produced by citizens. Some by professional journalists. #editorchat

[21:00:03] edwardboches: most successful newspaper web programs have been acutely local #editorchat, what is equiv for magazines

[21:00:11] ATLCheap: @JOHNABYRNE I agree. Experimenting with this now. Any tips for balancing the entrepreneurial side with the journalism? #editorchat

[21:00:16] ginakay: @MimiAndelman “local papers” often aren’t that local. Example: Cox is based in Atlanta, yet runs our local paper #editorchat

[21:00:15] shortformblog: @littlebrownpen Why not translate that to the next media playing field? #editorchat

[21:00:19] dfiske: RT @GinaLaGuardia: Rock on! RT @JOHNABYRNE: A new generation of entrepreneur/journalists will emerge to lead this [media] boom. #editorchat

[21:00:24] kristoforlawson: @JOHNABYRNE – i think there is a real problem with all the content being the same for both online and print. #editorchat

[21:00:31] mitchjoel: The model will not be about 1 company speaking to 10 million. It will be 10 million companies speaking to 10 million people. #editorchat

[21:00:31] JOHNABYRNE: Ultimately, I think local newspapers can only largely survive if they become local Googles. #editorchat

[21:00:33] anndouglas: RT @JOHNABYRNE: I think hyper-local sites have a good future and that should mean more community journalism. #editorchat

[21:00:34] PDXsays: @JOHNABYRNE this start up takes no responsibility for accuracy of content #editorchat

[21:00:36] mobienthusiast: @dodgemedlin a U-T person said water main story in local sec, needed to be front page early, not everyone got reverse 911 call #editorchat

[21:00:38] shirleybrady: @sfwriter Welcome to BW tech writer Rachael King! #editorchat

[21:00:41] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Some of that content will be produced by citizens. Some by professional journalists. #editorchat

[21:00:41] AlbertMaruggi: @JOHNABYRNE wait on the community journalism thing, where’s the $. Let’s just say $30K plus benefits, who is going to pay that? #editorchat

[21:00:48] rajmanohar21: RT@JOHNABYRNE3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat

[21:01:00] secretsushi: @JOHNABYRNE I have had the “hyper-local” convo with friends. I completely agree. Thats where newspapers started, no? #editorchat

[21:01:04] JanSimpson: RT @jtlongandco: Craigslist and Huffpo don’t pay their writers. How is that sustainable? #editorchat

[21:01:06] cArtPhotography: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Ultimately, I think local newspapers can only largely survive if they become local Googles. #editorchat

[21:01:06] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool I agree. Boom! It’s everywhere. Next step is to hone and perfect. #editorchat

[21:01:10] JOHNABYRNE: They have to acquire enough information about the community & people that they can deliver leads to local businesses. #editorchat

[21:01:08] ginakay: RT @milehighfool Isn’t a media boom already underway? Twitter, blogs, Facebook. All media in some form. Just not media we know. #editorchat

[21:01:10] mitchjoel: It’s still going to be a lot of money, just not as much as newspapers made when they were the only game in town. #editorchat

[21:01:15] ValerieSimon: RT @milehighfool media boom already underway. Twitter, blogs, even Facebook. All media in some form. Just not the media we know. #editorchat

[21:01:20] maczter: RT @JOHNABYRNE: I think hyper-local sites have a good future and that should mean more community journalism. #editorchat

[21:01:23] howlvenice: i helped launch peopleonline.com way back when and they wouldn’t put the URL on the magazine’s cover for years #editorchat

[21:01:24] cperry248: Check out @johnabyrne and his breakdown on the media. Conversation now. #editorchat

[21:01:30] sfwriter: @shirleybrady Thanks! This is really interesting! #editorchat

[21:01:35] MikeLizun: @dmac1 besides twitter, any other social networks you are engaging in, that help form ideas? BX? #editorchat

[21:01:39] pocobw: Searched Twitter for #editorchat: http://tinyurl.com/ch5rts

[21:01:42] jimmcbee: I think ability to read/write/research credibly will eventually be found to be worth money again. Not sure how, though. #editorchat

[21:01:45] mobienthusiast: @dodgemedlin I am pushing this b/c it’s a missing service and also opportunity to build trust with readers #sandiego #editorchat

[21:01:48] PDXsays: RT @JOHNABYRNE Ultimately, I think local newspapers can only largely survive if they become local Googles. #editorchat

[21:01:51] dodgemedlin: @mobienthusiast Well, we could always do better. I really do think we’re learning, though. These conversations help. #editorchat

[21:02:04] littlebrownpen: @dfiske I agree. #editorchat

[21:02:06] clintonskakun: via @mitchjoelWhat is Craigslist and Huffington Post doing right? Why aren’t newspapers and magazines doing that? #editorchat.

[21:02:08] _katelee: Depressing – RT @JOHNABYRNE: Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[21:02:09] JOHNABYRNE: @colorsign You’re talking ideology. We have no ideology at BW. #editorchat

[21:02:10] kristoforlawson: @knitnrun – survivors could boost sales through quality investigative journalism, and let online do the up-to-the-minute news #editorchat

[21:02:24] milehighfool: Journalists and community collaborating: Trick is to the find the line, and not abrogate responsibility. #editorchat

[21:02:26] ATLCheap: RT @JOHNABYRNE: I think hyper-local sites have a good future and that should mean more community journalism. #editorchat #citiesotc

[21:02:27] edwardboches: #editorchat you will have to go to where the audience is and not expect them to come to you

[21:02:29] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: @colorsign You’re talking ideology. We have no ideology at BW. #editorchat

[21:02:41] AlbertMaruggi: @JOHNABYRNE leads for businesses,that’s why I wonder why I’m in the chamber of commerce :>) but you are right about that model #editorchat

[21:02:40] dodgemedlin: @mobienthusiast Thanks! I’ll pass this along to our online folks. #editorchat

[21:02:41] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Journalists and community collaborating: Trick is to the find the line, and not abrogate responsibility. #editorchat

[21:02:44] JOHNABYRNE: @AlbertMaruggi The salaries will be lower, except for the entrepreneurs who start these sites. #editorchat

[21:02:46] Willowbottom: @milehighfool The problem w/media we don’t know seemsthat it’s hard for it to earn street cred – or is that just my perception? #editorchat

[21:02:52] JDEbberly: RT @edwardboches: #editorchat you will have to go to where the audience is and not expect them to come to you

[21:02:54] shirleybrady: @pocobw & welcome to BW.com managing channel editor Patricia O’Connell! #editorchat

[21:02:54] secretsushi: Newspapers need to concentrate on the message and not the medium. The “news” and not the “paper”. #editorchat

[21:02:56] edwardboches: #editorchat what twitter, facebook, et al are doing is owning the audience, possible vehicle for connection and readers

[21:03:06] DavisFreeberg: @mariaschneider Most social media is only worth quoting if you can’t verify the source. #editorchat

[21:03:08] etanowitz: Hello, Etan Horowitz, tech writer/blogger at Orlando Sentinel here. what’s the topic/question of the moment? #editorchat

[21:03:10] mobienthusiast: @dodgemedlin also it wasn’t just you, @nbcsandiego had it on a newscast but didn’t tweet it & not on their home page #sandiego #editorchat

[21:03:12] bmforbes: u can tell w HuffPo! RT @JanSimpson: RT @jtlongandco: Craigslist and Huffpo don’t pay their writers. How is that sustainable? #editorchat

[21:03:14] JDEbberly: RT @secretsushi: Newspapers need to concentrate on the message and not the medium. The “news” and not the “paper”. #editorchat

[21:03:18] jomc: print retweeters!!! (good points here) RT @JOHNABYRNE: How many Bernie Madoff pleads guilty stories can anyone read. #editorchat

[21:03:21] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Not sure about “hyper-local online sites.” Jury’s out for me. But local print papers? I believe they will thrive. #editorchat

[21:03:35] shortformblog: @Johnabyrne I think you’re right about hyperlocal. News should be like Yelp or UrbanSpoon. It should be centralized – on you. #editorchat

[21:03:34] JOHNABYRNE: In every community, taxpayers want to know how their money is being spent. #editorchat

[21:03:36] jimmcbee: rt @JOHNABYRNE The salaries will be lower, except for the entrepreneurs who start these (new media) sites. #editorchat

[21:03:48] edwardboches: #editorchat perhaps there is a way to become the objective reliable content arm of major social network platforms

[21:03:49] JOHNABYRNE: Parents want to know how their children are being educated. #editorchat

[21:03:53] knitnrun: RT @JOHNABYRNE (sic) comm papers must acquire enough info about commty & pple that they deliver leads to local biz / UseTwitter! #editorchat

[21:03:53] kristoforlawson: my solution to newspapers is to focus on investigative journalism again, and let online news do the day to day stuff. #editorchat

[21:04:01] jennipps: RT @milehighfool Journalists and community collaborating: Trick is to the find the line, and not abrogate responsibility. #editorchat

[21:04:10] ginakay: If goal is to deliver leads to local biz via local print media, some of that happens now, plus an online presence (Bizjournals) #editorchat

[21:04:12] yoyomama_van: Interesting article on free content & services from the Economist. Not totally on point, but still relevant: http://bit.ly/m9Gw #editorchat

[21:04:26] LydiaBreakfast: May I remind everyone this is a chat to determine how writers and editors can move with the changing times – not a gripe session #editorchat

[21:04:29] JOHNABYRNE: And then there are local sports–high school, college, Little League, soccer, etc. #editorchat

[21:04:31] milehighfool: @Willowbottom No, that’s fair and to @JOHNABYRNE‘s point: engaging, original content wins. Source is secondary. #editorchat

[21:04:37] dodgemedlin: @jimmcbee Aha! So *that’s* why you started smartnewsnc.com. #editorchat

[21:04:45] MimiAndelman: I would like highly targeted local news, down to the neighborhood, even — with advertising that pertains. Good for all. #editorchat

[21:04:45] edwardboches: #editorchat what bothers me about the social free for all is lack of objectivity, discipline reporting, etc,

[21:04:48] shirleybrady: @edwardboches Great idea, Edward. #editorchat

[21:04:51] shortformblog: @JOHNABYRNE Do you think they care about chicken dinners, T-ball games and business functions too? Just kidding. You’re right #editorchat

[21:04:51] jenandtheart: Why is no one addressing the aesthetic and cultural value of paper and instead trying to reinvent what we put in ink and paper? #editorchat

[21:04:53] AlbertMaruggi: @kristoforlawson you have a point there. I see plenty of opportunity for corruption without independent press #editorchat

[21:04:54] littlebrownpen: RT: @kristoforlawson my solution to is to focus on investigative journalism again, and let online news do the day to day #editorchat

[21:05:06] RBLevin: @milehighfool Define boom? Users? Boom. Revenue? Bust. #editorchat

[21:05:16] Dark_Faust: Just joining. Is there a list of questions for tonight’s tweet? #editorchat

[21:05:26] merylkevans: @apowerpoint I have two tweetgrid tabs open — one for #editorchat and one for #b2bmktgchat. www.hashtags.org/ explains all # #b2bmktgchat

[21:05:26] ginakay: I missed Scrubs because of #editorchat. heh.

[21:05:35] jeffkart: @JOHNABYRNE thats a niche that newspapers can fill. all local. no wire. #editorchat

[21:05:35] kristoforlawson: you can’t expect to sell papers if the content online is pretty much the same as in the paper format. #editorchat

[21:05:37] edwardboches: #editorchat writers and editors still need to show readers they have value in quality that can’t be found from amateurs

[21:05:44] JOHNABYRNE: HuffPo’s plan is a smart one. If the local newspaper doesn’t do it, they will. But local entrepreneurs will have the advantage. #editorchat

[21:05:49] JDEbberly: RT: @kristoforlawson my solution to is to focus on investigative journalism again, and let online news do the day to day #editorchat

[21:06:00] etanowitz: anyone can solicit user generated content, but media/journalists will stand out by being the best at filtering and compiling #editorchat

[21:06:04] mobienthusiast: @LydiaBreakfast I hope you don’t mean me – I am offering insight for improved social media/journalist communication #editorchat

[21:06:10] PDXsays: Is the day of the smart local journalist who aspires to rise over? #editorchat

[21:06:11] TMFZahrim: RT @jenandtheart: Why is no one addressing aesthetic and cultural value of paper, instead trying to reinvent it? #editorchat

[21:06:16] GinaLaGuardia: @edwardboches They are owning *&* employing/leveraging audience’s contributions. Good editors can frame that.. that’s the future #editorchat

[21:06:23] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust It’s an open discussion. Not following the format tonight #editorchat

[21:06:22] amandachapel: @JOHNABYRNE “The salaries will be lower, except for the entrepreneurs who start these sites. #editorchat” Nonsense.

[21:06:23] konadad: Agreed. RT @edwardboches: #editorchat what bothers me about the social free for all is lack of objectivity, discipline reporting, etc,

[21:06:28] jtlongandco: Community=more than geography. Florida country club members want a different story about Madoff than hedge fund managers,nonprof #editorchat

[21:06:36] knitnrun: @JOHNABYRNE As @kristoforlawson said and my f-i-law says is missing fr Web content: it’s the investigative piece. Thoughts? #editorchat

[21:06:39] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Agreed, though I recently wrote about a company trying to do local news via algorithm. Scary. #editorchat

[21:06:40] Dark_Faust: @LydiaBreakfast Fewer pubs and a broken bus model means less full-time jobs. Lots of freelancing work, tho. #editorchat

[21:06:40] LydiaBreakfast: @mobienthusiast No not you #editorchat

[21:06:47] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust It’s an open discussion. Not following the format tonight #editorchat

[21:06:52] jimmcbee: @dodgemedlin I have hopes for Ernie’s http://shortformblog.com too (and no monetary interest, either) It’s time to experiment #editorchat

[21:06:53] RBLevin: @JOHNABYRNE And they don’t read or click on online ads. #editorchat

[21:06:53] motownmutt: @cynawriter you can try following the #editorchat discussion with tweetgrid: http://is.gd/oZh1

[21:06:54] dmac1: @MikeLizun BX is good tool. But I find best place to find readers w/ good ideas are comment threads on BW stories & blogs #editorchat

[21:06:55] fromartz: @JOHNABYRNE And will BW writers flock to do hyper-local news? #editorchat

[21:07:06] TMFZahrim: For print to survive, it indeed needs to embrace its “print-ness” #editorchat

[21:07:06] edwardboches: #editorchat agree wtih investigative that will be sorely missed of papers or serious magazines diminish

[21:07:08] secretsushi: TRaditional media’s strength is in their ability to assimilate information and foster resources. #editorchat

[21:07:20] leanneclc: What do you guys think of the way NPR has been able to get money from audience? Not same as for profit…but it works #editorchat

[21:07:22] kristoforlawson: @AlbertMaruggi – absolutely. Papers used to be about exposing corruption, and keeping people honest. #editorchat

[21:07:28] milehighfool: @RBLevin Hey Rich. Not everyone is going bust. Is Portfolio? BusinessWeek? The Fool? Nope. #editorchat

[21:07:29] JDEbberly: WOW, TREMENDOUS insights by @JOHNABYRNE and others!! #editorchat

[21:07:33] womenkind: I figure the future belongs to long-form print content (The New Yorker) and headlines which you can get in 1000 places for free. #editorchat

[21:07:37] dodgemedlin: @jimmcbee Absolutely. shortformblog.com has a ton of potential. #editorchat

[21:07:40] JOHNABYRNE: @amandachapel I know a highly experienced journalist who now works for a monthly $500 draw and is paid by page views. #editorchat

[21:07:42] TMFZahrim: sure have blogs and a FB page, but do things in print you can’t do online #editorchat

[21:07:46] Krochmal: You should be reading @JOHNABYRNE ‘s tweetstream right now. Seriously. #editorchat

[21:08:04] Dark_Faust: @edwardboches Really, the audience is owning the audience. The readers are in control. That’s a mixed blessing. #editorchat

[21:08:04] jtlongandco: @milehighfool News by algorithm = very scary #editorchat

[21:08:05] martindave: RT @JOHNABYRNE 2) Online advert cannot offset print decline or save print product. 2 much online inventory from 2 many rivals. #editorchat

[21:08:16] MikeLizun: @dmac1 Thanks. #editorchat

[21:08:31] kristoforlawson: @AlbertMaruggi – and getting to the heart of a story. Making sure its told properly. Quality journalism must return! #editorchat

[21:08:32] kathyoreilly: @dmac1 have u asked Q’s on LinkedIn where A’s generate story ideas/content? #editorchat

[21:08:37] JOHNABYRNE: BW is not about hyper-local. We need to provide original, useful analysis that helps people get ahead in biz. #editorchat

[21:08:46] TMFZahrim: portable, bendable, vivid and esily readable… scratch n sniff paper can do so much my computer can’t #editorchat

[21:08:48] edwardboches: @leanneclc #editorchat npr is proof people will pay for good content. if new yorker went, every reader would pay for the online version

[21:08:51] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE 2) Online advert cannot offset print decline or save print product. 2 much online inventory from 2 many rivals. #editorchat

[21:08:54] shortformblog: @jimmcbee @dodgemedlin You schmucks are too kind. #editorchat

[21:09:02] dodgemedlin: OK, duty calls. I’ll catch up on reading this later. @mobienthusiast, thanks for the comments about emergency coverage. #editorchat

[21:09:04] milehighfool: @jtlongandco The idea is to pull from Twitter, FB, blogs and other public postings and then triangulate based on your GPS. #editorchat

[21:09:06] AlbrightDC: @TMFZahrim “things in print you can’t do online”… Like what? #editorchat

[21:09:13] ttlFantastic: RT @JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: A new generation of entrepreneur/journalists will emerge to lead this [media] boom. #editorchat

[21:09:14] RBLevin: @milehighfool What I mean is, lots of readers, very little if any revenue per reader. #editorchat

[21:09:19] JOHNABYRNE: We used to live in a nice little world with finite competition: WSJ, Fortune & Forbes. #editorchat

[21:09:22] mitchjoel: HuffPo is an opp for journos to grow audience and brand. Use that audience to monetize – book deals, Blogs, other initiatives. #editorchat.

[21:09:28] martindave: RT @JOHNABYRNE 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat [spot on, kudos, JAB]

[21:09:32] PDXsays: I just felt our children’s IQ’s drop by at least 10 points, with the future of journalism #editorchat

[21:09:36] RBLevin: @amandachapel HoffPost gets much of its content for free. I’d call that “lower.” #editorchat

[21:09:36] JDEbberly: @jtlongandco The idea is to pull from Twitter, FB, blogs and other public postings and then triangulate based on your GPS. #editorchat

[21:09:46] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Agreed. The future is news analysis. I’m not sure there’s such a thing as straight news anymore. #editorchat

[21:09:53] eclisham: There are many other opportunities for online revenue besides ads: text/email, video, lead gen, paid local search, etc. 1/2 #editorchat

[21:09:57] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added #editorchat

[21:09:57] TMFZahrim: cf Watchmen, Moore strives to do in comics what only comics can do. Yep the film failed. #editorchat

[21:10:00] AlbrightDC: I’d rather have all my news presented on screen- scrollable, searchable, etc- than deal with messy newsprint. #editorchat

[21:10:07] edwardboches: #editorchat agree with @womenkind people will pay for high quality long content, at least let’s hope so or it’s fox world

[21:10:05] hriefs: @JOHNABYRNE The Tribune is now moving fast with the hyper-local model, introducing neighborhood editions in 30+ suburbs #editorchat

[21:10:13] JOHNABYRNE: Today, we compete against Yahoo Finance, MSN Money, AOL Money & Finance, CNBC.com, Reuters.com, Bloomberg.com. #editorchat

[21:10:15] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Agreed. The future is news analysis. I’m not sure there’s such a thing as straight news anymore. #editorchat

[21:10:23] LydiaBreakfast: @RBLevin Which is the problem. How does anyone make a living wage tied to page views? #editorchat

[21:10:23] Dark_Faust: @martindave Any even then, they will pay very little. That’s the problem. #editorchat

[21:10:25] eclisham: BUT — will newspaper sales departments ramp up to be able to sell these new formats? 2/2 #editorchat

[21:10:25] collazoprojects: Bummed I’ve missed #editorchat due to computer problems.

[21:10:41] AlbrightDC: I think the “print vs. online” debate is largely generational. Today’s reporters post online. Period. #editorchat

[21:10:45] karenauby: @TMFZahrim I agree. I love reading the actual paper with a cup of coffee….a morning ritual #editorchat

[21:10:47] milehighfool: @RBLevin Agreed. And that *is* a huge issue. Even if brain engagement is up, wallet engagement, overall, is down. #editorchat

[21:10:48] JOHNABYRNE: The biz sections of the HuffPo, Salon, The Atlantic, biz & economic blogs, AmericanExpress Open, etc. #editorchat

[21:10:52] jenandtheart: I don’t think we lack accessibility to quality journalism. I think we lack creative models of employment. #editorchat

[21:10:54] secretsushi: - @JOHNABYRNE distribution is what made 1 paper better than another. Bigger reach. Now that is not a factor due to the web. #editorchat

[21:11:01] jennipps: @AlbrightDC My prob is the readability of the newsprint rather than the messiness. #editorchat

[21:11:09] shortformblog: @johnabyrne That’s not true. You compete against everyone. Those are just the big players. #editorchat

[21:11:09] bob_bobala: RT @milehighfool “The future is news analysis.” Yeah, that’s the value add that people will pay for. #editorchat

[21:11:12] jtlongandco: @sacramentopress I think you would enjoy this discussion #editorchat

[21:11:12] knitnrun: @leanneclc Good call on NPR money making. Have seen others suggest newspapers will need to go the nonprofit route. #editorchat

[21:11:14] JDEbberly: @collazoprojects You can read the transcript on the editorchat home page #editorchat

[21:11:16] brucebski: #editorchat What ever you do, it must hold the attention of your audience, like a bucket holds water. It’s a competition 4 holding attention

[21:11:23] edwardboches: #editorchat here’s an idea: invent a new hardware technology that sends out news sources. buy once and sub to content sources

[21:11:22] PDXsays: @LydiaBreakfast you don’t … I am following some stuff on twitter – and god forgive me – don’t have the citations at hand #editorchat

[21:11:24] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Hmm. HuffPo is “smart” for HuffPo. For journalists or those who want journalism? Not so much. #editorchat

[21:11:29] jimmcbee: @PDXsays Critical thinking will be even more valuable with deluge of unreliable news/info. Facts and truth are slippery buggers. #editorchat

[21:11:34] Dark_Faust: @RBLevin yes. that’s what we’re finding. What is working for is a sponsorship model where the big companies pay. #editorchat

[21:11:35] JOHNABYRNE: And, of course, WSJ, Fortune and Forbes online. Also The Economist, The Financial Times, the biz section of the NYT, etc. #editorchat

[21:11:48] jenandtheart: #AlbrightDC Disagree. I’m 23 and I would still pay for NYTimes if they would give me something better in print (or online) #editorchat

[21:11:56] edwardboches: #editorchat do not start with what you do, start with what your reader wants and work backwards

[21:11:58] womenkind: @edwardboches People who value great content will pay for it. But not many people do. New Yorker has relatively low circ. #editorchat

[21:11:57] shortformblog: @johnabyrne Any blogger or guy with a twitter feed who has an opinion on business is your competitor. #editorchat

[21:11:59] dmac1: Local papers can use tech to give community the power and responsibility to do stories they want, ie Spot.Us http://bit.ly/qbrF1 #editorchat

[21:12:11] TMFZahrim: @JOHNABYRNE Not the Fool? #editorchat

[21:12:14] JOHNABYRNE: It’s a very different competitive world. #editorchat

[21:12:19] rickywhy: @mobienthusiast @dodgemedlin this was posted on SignOn home page five hours before the city notified people http://bit.ly/gZio #editorchat

[21:12:20] AlbrightDC: @jennipps Readability- good point. Devices like the Kindle will adjust the print size for you. #editorchat

[21:12:20] PDXsays: @jenandtheart you’re onto something there, I believe… #editorchat

[21:12:30] kristoforlawson: @womenkind – I agree. Print needs to be long in-depth investigative journalism. Online needs to be the day-to-day headlines. #editorchat

[21:12:31] StevePR104: @jimmcbee Irony: if fewer can make money delivering news because of the Net, we become less, not more, informed because of it. #editorchat

[21:12:44] edwardboches: #editorchat steal chapter from amazon kindle, not their core strength, but inspired by consumer/reader desire

[21:12:47] mobienthusiast: @shirleybrady Please send me a transcript link too #editorchat

[21:12:56] knitnrun: RT @edwardboches #editorchat do not start with what you do, start with what your reader wants and work backwards

[21:13:00] DougH: @AlbertMaruggi @mitchjoel‘s right. Unions support jobs that would be eliminated/evolve for distribution to evolve. Won;t go easy #editorchat

[21:13:07] IPStrategist: @JOHNABYRNE Interesting. Stopped NYT in ATL b/c HuffPo my first stop in am. Don’t miss local paper b/c ATL paper stunk 4 years. #editorchat

[21:13:09] JOHNABYRNE: @shortformblog I pretty much agree with you. Our brand still stands for something but the competition is amazing now. #editorchat

[21:13:16] AlbrightDC: @jenandtheart Oh I would pay for online access, if it was from a good source. #editorchat

[21:13:18] BaileyMcC: @Dark_Faust do you worry about objectivity with the sponsorhip model? #editorchat

[21:13:20] LydiaBreakfast: Speaking of hyperlocal vs. wider focus, will they be able to coexist peacefully and profitably in the future? #editorchat

[21:13:27] Dark_Faust: @jimmcbee With media in collapse, critical thinkers will not linker long in journalism. They will migrate behind corp walls. #editorchat

[21:13:34] rickywhy: It was updated 2 hours later, and 5 hours later again… Admittedly, blog items not prominent on page… But available on rss #editorchat

[21:13:37] paradisekitten: Wheww Editor chat is hot! Lots of great insight and interesting views in sizzling tweet-feast. #editorchat

[21:13:39] littlebrownpen: @JOHNABYRNE Also opinion blogs like calculated risk, mish, roubini, deninger, etc. Competition is endless. #editorchat

[21:13:54] RBLevin: I also think that publishers need to look at things like webinars. Advertisers want the lists and leads. #editorchat

[21:13:56] marciamarcia: @PDXsays Children adapt & find new ways to excel. I hear their IQs going up 10pts. Well, at least those who engage. #editorchat

[21:14:05] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Hyper-local strikes me as a false panacea. I don’t need to know what’s going on the block over. #editorchat

[21:14:08] JDEbberly: @paradisekitten You got that right! #editorchat

[21:14:20] jenandtheart: @AlbrightDC So would I. But it would have to have greater depth and breadth than just an online copy of paper #editorchat

[21:14:23] dmac1: @kathyoreilly I haven’t, prob because it’s a more private site. But I know LinkedIn added public features, so I should revisit #editorchat

[21:14:31] MikeLizun: @JOHNBYRNE what about mobile? Thoughts on that news delivery method and ad rev generating model? #editorchat

[21:14:42] RBLevin: What if an online pub were “ad free” sponsored by a vendor? Vendor gets branding, opt-in mailing list, other stuff. #editorchat

[21:14:43] ATLCheap: @hriefs The AJC just cut most of its hyper-local print sections, even though metro #Atlanta needs them due to its size. #editorchat

[21:14:45] edwardboches: #editorchat hyperlocal in the magazine business isn’t geographical, it’s subject/interest

[21:14:51] winequester: @JOHNABYRNE Overwhelming our Twitter feeds and pushing our friends and biz associates off by carpet bombing is arrogant. #editorchat

[21:14:51] mobienthusiast: @rickywhy I didn’t see it when I went to signon home page. My point is it needed to be front and center, not on interior page #editorchat

[21:14:53] MimiAndelman: But they may pay if it is: RT @JOHNABYRNE Subscribers will generally not pay fpr content unless it’s original…value-added #editorchat

[21:14:53] JOHNABYRNE: @BaileyMcC Not really. Under sponsorship, you may get more coverage of this or that. But it shouldn’t be influenced by a sponsor #editorchat

[21:14:56] secretsushi: @StevePR104 distribution is rly the primary issue. Cut that cost out of the equation. Distribute locally where ur strength is. #editorchat

[21:15:01] jennipps: @milehighfool That, to me, seems hyper-hyper. *s* Local paper has outlying communities & is — IMO — hyperlocal that way. #editorchat

[21:15:14] tweditor: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast I agree with @milehighfool. The HOA newsletter is boring. #editorchat

[21:15:17] jenandtheart: @PDXsays The problems that I see is that we A. Reinvent the wheel everytime it gets a flat & #editorchat

[21:15:30] Dark_Faust: @BaileyMcC For us – technology coverage – it’s easier to avoid that bullet. We cover the pain points of engineers. #editorchat

[21:15:35] edwardboches: #editorchat journalists need some real marketing help: every reader relationship to content is different

[21:15:45] JOHNABYRNE: @RBLevin Totally agree. Media brands need to become direct marketers and also create new products that people will pay for. #editorchat

[21:15:47] jimmcbee: @Dark_Faust one might say most already are, given size of media chains. Will corps hire journos to interpret the day’s events? #editorchat

[21:15:57] edwardboches: #editorchat some readers want entertainment, some information, some advice, some the chance to interact

[21:15:56] steveluis: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[21:15:56] TWATTERPUBLIC: tweditor: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast I agree with @milehighfool. The HOA newsletter is boring. #editorchat

[21:15:59] mobienthusiast: @rickywhy also, nobody from U-T tweeted it w/link to story = missed opportunity. Reverse 911 call said it happened Sun p.m. #editorchat

[21:16:09] jenandtheart: @PDXsays and B. The people who are ultimately running these establishments have NO IDEA what the internet is really about. #editorchat

[21:16:11] edwardboches: #editorchat need to think in terms of reader and then work backwards to add value that people will pay for

[21:16:14] fixin2: @MikeLizun I think this would work with media outlets with enough assets to deliver content, ads to devices #editorchat

[21:16:16] Dark_Faust: @BaileyMcC Much more fact based. But, yes, the EiC always has to be aware of the paying guest. #editorchat

[21:16:20] KBordessa: RT @ATLCheap @JOHNABYRNE I think hyper-local sites have a good future and that should mean more community journalism. #editorchat #citiesotc

[21:16:24] JDEbberly: Editorchat is getting as fast-paced as journchat! WOWSERS!! #editorchat

[21:16:22] jeremymeyers: #editorchat The newspaper/advertiser relationship will benefit from the hyper-local targeting ability impossible with print but easy for web

[21:16:28] LydiaBreakfast: Maybe it takes a hyper-local village to reinvent the bigger news model? #editorchat

[21:16:38] PDXsays: @marciamarcia man.. last I read, kid’s performance in schools slumped..public schools, yes? AND as I recall, much of our thinkin #editorchat

[21:16:50] kristoforlawson: If print journalism can be different from online it has a big market. If it continues to be the same content then its in trouble #editorchat

[21:17:02] anndouglas: @milehighfool What I like about hyper-local is potential to make real change @ local level by knowing beat/issues. #editorchat

[21:17:07] dmac1: @colorsign More difficult to get a scoop than ever, especially in tech and biz news where bloggers now break good chunk of news #editorchat

[21:17:17] PDXsays: thinking process training comes from education using journalism #editorchat

[21:17:19] AlbrightDC: @kristoforlawson Why wouldn’t it be the same content? #editorchat

[21:17:24] fromartz: @JOHNABYRNE and companies are starting their own media channels and hiring journalists #editorchat

[21:17:24] MimiAndelman: Makes case for Tweeting new content. RT @rickywhy: … Admittedly, blog items not prominent on page… But available on rss #editorchat

[21:17:36] BaileyMcC: RT @edwardboches: #editorchat need to think in terms of reader and then work backwards to add value that people will pay for

[21:17:39] edwardboches: #editorchat @lydiabreakfast, there are lessons in every revolution, USA today, CNN, proliferation of special interest magazines

[21:17:46] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Interesting idea. How do you market and report and maintain credibility? #editorchat

[21:17:49] mobienthusiast: @RickyWhy Not trying to pick on UT; point is I drank water Sun p.m., coincidentally was sick, wanted info on front page #editorchat

[21:17:54] jenandtheart: @PDXsays At the cost of ageism: I don’t remember a time before the Internet. I have been on the Internet since I have memories. #editorchat

[21:18:06] MikeLizun: correction @JOHNABYRNE what about mobile? Thoughts on that news delivery method and ad rev generating model? #editorchat

[21:18:20] ginavon: I am liking the @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat …reading along. thx!

[21:18:25] soultravelers3: RT @JOHNABYRNE I know a highly experienced journalist who now works for a monthly $500 draw and is paid by page views. #editorchat

[21:18:22] snakewicked: Following interesting #editorchat discussion with @JOHNABYRNE, ed in chief at Business Week.

[21:18:24] Dark_Faust: @jimmcbee In my world – technology trade – journs are being use to cover editorial issues for corps. both print and online. #editorchat

[21:18:26] jenandtheart: @AlbrightDC @kristoforlawson Because do you put your right shoe on your left foot and your left shoe on your right? #editorchat

[21:18:27] DavisFreeberg: Too often journalists play safe by only writing pros/con re: argument instead of giving the opin & analysis that readers crave #editorchat

[21:18:30] littlebrownpen: A “flight to quality” is in effect. People are sick of spin, and hungry for journalism. #editorchat

[21:18:34] kristoforlawson: print needs to cover stories which are not yesterdays news. Online has a role to play in delivering news immediately #editorchat

[21:18:36] PDXsays: .. and as a generation, your comprehensive abilities are…? #editorchat

[21:18:40] mobienthusiast: @RickyWhy So, here’s request: if it’s important, have at least a headline on front page – same thing happened w/ fires last year #editorchat

[21:18:40] womenkind: @kristoforlawson Exactly. Why would anyone pay for People Mag when you can get the dirt online & in real time? #editorchat

[21:18:44] MimiAndelman: LOVE IT! RT @milehighfool What I like about hyper-local is potential to make real change @ local level by knowing beat/issues. #editorchat

[21:19:02] Dark_Faust: @jimmcbee some investigative reporting, but those reports never see the public “light of day” – as you hint. #editorchat

[21:19:07] AlbrightDC: “Brand” is important to print papers transitioning to online. Reputation=key #editorchat

[21:19:21] MaryKnudson: @JOHNABYRNE How do u keep online t news judgment of editors, reporters that shows up in newspapers by where story is played? #editorchat

[21:19:24] milehighfool: RT @littlebrownpen A “flight to quality” is in effect. People are sick of spin, and hungry for journalism. #editorchat

[21:19:26] jimmcbee: @milehighfool great q … credibility has really sunk anyway #editorchat

[21:19:27] JOHNABYRNE: @MikeLizun Mobile is key. I can foresee a day when most people will get their news via mobile device and not TV. Not far away. #editorchat

[21:19:29] JDEbberly: RT @AlbrightDC: “Brand” is important to print papers transitioning to online. Reputation=key #editorchat

[21:19:33] edwardboches: @MikeLizun #editorchat mobile will be huge, but with current technology more about shorter format and real time, less about long content

[21:19:37] PDXsays: @MimiAndelman caution harking to fifedoms #editorchat

[21:19:47] kristoforlawson: @AlbrightDC – because why would you pick up a paper if exactly the same story is free online? It needs to be different #editorchat

[21:19:49] jennipps: RT @AlbrightDC “Brand” is important to print papers transitioning to online. Reputation=key #editorchat

[21:19:51] JOHNABYRNE: So figuring out how to use smart phones in an interactive way is an important part of the future. #editorchat

[21:19:54] littlebrownpen: @womenkind I’ve wondered about People and their counterparts for quite awhile. #editorchat

[21:19:59] jimmcbee: @Dark_Faust fascinating. I’ve been wondering about that lately, but I’m out of that loop. #editorchat

[21:20:01] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool 1) tell the truth 2) tell it consistently #editorchat

[21:20:07] anndouglas: @littlebrownpen So well put! We’ve had it up to hear with the double-speak. We want fact-saturated journalism. #editorchat

[21:20:16] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: So figuring out how to use smart phones in an interactive way is an important part of the future. #editorchat

[21:20:14] enki09: @JanSimpson #editorchat writers do it for the exposure…websites keep the advertising money… I write on blogcritics

[21:20:25] marciamarcia: @edwardboches I think in terms of reader *learning* then work backwards to look at what of that #lrn they’ll pay for. #editorchat

[21:20:30] shirleybrady: @womenkind Hi Kristi! That’s why Time Inc. experimenting with mags on demand: https://www.timecmg.com/mine #editorchat

[21:20:36] knitnrun: @womenkind @kristoforlawson I think some will always be willing to pay for others to sift through the noise for them. #editorchat Lazy-easy

[21:20:47] JOHNABYRNE: @MaryKnudson That’s the role of an editor. #editorchat

[21:20:47] MightyCasey: @anndouglas Fact-saturated journalism – now THAT’S an offer! #editorchat

[21:20:52] edwardboches: @littlebrownpen #editorchat flight to quality from those who get it yes, maybe not the masses who seek news that reinforces their opinion

[21:20:54] LydiaBreakfast: Getting news on a smartphone is going to require a whole other style of reporting and writing #editorchat

[21:20:55] jenandtheart: @PDXsays It’s not a generational thing. There are 50 y.o.s who ‘get it,’ but what’s working about translating paper into online? #editorchat

[21:20:56] milehighfool: @dmac1 Breaking news is a loser’s game now, isn’t it? In tech, especially. (My beat as well.) #editorchat

[21:21:01] Dark_Faust: @kristoforlawson Very true. So print needs to be different. For my industry, that means longer deeper pieces – I hope. #editorchat

[21:21:08] secretsushi: Content cn now stand on it’s own as individual articles instead of a collective of work. How can segmenting content b leveraged? #editorchat

[21:21:11] mobienthusiast: Retweet @JOHNABYRNE: So figuring out how to use smart phones in an interactive way is an important part of the future. #editorchat #mobi

[21:21:09] PDXsays: @littlebrownpen I think you are right on the money there #editorchat

[21:21:10] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Getting news on a smartphone is going to require a whole other style of reporting and writing #editorchat

[21:21:30] PDXsays: @jenandtheart not a place for this debate…sry all #editorchat

[21:21:38] George_Williams: @mitchjoel #editorchat There are still some pieces completely missing from this discussion. Either that, or I haven’t seen them.

[21:21:46] AnotherBros: RT @edwardboches agree with John #editorchat, I was Creative Director for MPA for years, and also head an ad agency, print adv is over

[21:21:49] littlebrownpen: @edwardboches Very true. There is a lot of “confirming one’s own bias” #editorchat

[21:21:56] anndouglas: @milehighfool We now need a similar equity migration: for dollars to follow the migration of quality content. #editorchat

[21:21:56] BeckyDMBR: @dmac1 The point now, I believe, is not the “scoop.” It’s defining and explaining the news. #editorchat

[21:22:00] mitchjoel: I’d like to know people’s thoughts on aggregation and, as @jeffjarvis says, “do what you do best and link out to the rest” #editorchat.

[21:21:59] JOHNABYRNE: @dkemper They will thrive because publishers will have money to pay them. Google part is connecting customers with merchants. #editorchat

[21:22:02] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Twitter reporting? Twitporting? #editorchat

[21:22:04] fixin2: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Getting news on a smartphone is going to require a whole other style of reporting and writing #editorchat // true that!

[21:22:05] MightyCasey: @JDEbberly that’s the problem I have – I just can’t deal on my B’berry if it’s more than a breaking-news one-line headline #editorchat

[21:22:11] eclisham: Check out @stevebuttry to see an org that has completely decoupled information from packaging, whether print, web, cell, etc. #editorchat.

[21:22:16] motownmutt: RT @littlebrownpen A “flight to quality” is in effect. People are sick of spin, and hungry for journalism. (via #editorchat)

[21:22:21] PDXsays: @George_Williams yes, I agree.. and I was here for most of it #editorchat

[21:22:24] Dark_Faust: @jimmcbee It’s hard for good journs to resist corp pull. Pay is better, so are benefits. But it’s not the same as being independ #editorchat

[21:22:30] jennipps: @milehighfool Or some would call it “tworting.” #editorchat

[21:22:37] womenkind: Mass is over. Print has to re-gauge its expectations and re-engage a smaller audience. Advertisers will pay for quality readers. #editorchat

[21:22:47] JOHNABYRNE: @jeffjarvis True but there are a lot of other ideas that we’d be better at. #editorchat

[21:22:48] edwardboches: #editorchat i know some very very good journalists from balt sun who left sun to go into health care or other writing opps

[21:22:48] JDEbberly: @MightyCasey I know what you mean, same with my iPhone. #editorchat

[21:22:57] RBLevin: @soultravelers3 Ditto. I know several. Pay for bloggers stinks, in general. Far from $1/word, often free if no traffic. #editorchat

[21:23:05] mobienthusiast: @LydiaBreakfast BW is already doing that with http://businessweek.mobi, so are some other newsmags and local papers #editorchat #mobi

[21:23:22] CRBJ: @LydiaBreakfast Lots of our readers get our daily news product via smartphone. We say we make blackberries buzz. #editorchat (lurking)

[21:23:44] edwardboches: #editorchat @womenkind gets it. rethink focus, rethink content, rethink adding value,

[21:23:46] jimmcbee: @Dark_Faust public interest journalism may become a hobby. Have had that thought in my mind for awhile. #editorchat

[21:23:49] fixin2: RT @jennipps: @milehighfool Or some would call it “tworting.” // or retworting. #editorchat

[21:23:57] kristoforlawson: @pocobw – very true. Thats why papers need to do what their good at. In-depth journalism. They can’t be the latest news anymore. #editorchat

[21:24:10] womenkind: @motownmutt Yeah, we could have used some journalism during WMD spin. Woodward? Bernstein? #editorchat

[21:24:17] BarbaraHoward: RT: @motownmutt RT @littlebrownpen A “flight to quality” is in effect. People are sick of spin, and hungry for journalism. (via #editorchat)

[21:24:21] RBLevin: The old new thing. These chats are no diff than IRC circa 1988. #editorchat

[21:24:25] jennipps: RT @edwardboches #editorchat @womenkind gets it. rethink focus, rethink content, rethink adding value, #editorchat

[21:24:26] JOHNABYRNE: There will be many Born to the Web enterprises over the next few years that will teach the mainstream media a thing or two. #editorchat

[21:24:52] hriefs: @JOHNABYRNE In your estimation, what went wrong with the Chicago-focused edition of BW that had a short life? #editorchat

[21:24:55] tweditor: I look forward to the Dallas Morning News’ first tweet of the day. But not because it’s the DMN. I love it ‘cuz it’s snarky. #editorchat

[21:25:04] Dark_Faust: @jimmcbee I worry that the average person will have less avenues to truthful reporting. That politicans and big bus take over. #editorchat

[21:25:04] PDXsays: @RBLevin yes.. recall those.. ur correct, sir #editorchat

[21:25:14] MightyCasey: @kristoforlawson breaking news is best left to vid outlets – I look for more flavor from print. Plain burger vs. porterhouse #editorchat

[21:25:16] StevePR104: Question: if AP exists through subscription fees, those fees aren’t paid, what happens to AP? And what happens to coverage? #editorchat

[21:25:16] jennipps: @fixin2 “Retworting” is better. #editorchat

[21:25:20] pontific8: I hope he’s right: RT @JOHNABYRNE I think hyper-local sites have a good future and that should mean more community journalism. #editorchat

[21:25:18] JOHNABYRNE: You already have a good group of them, showing us the way from the HuffPo to GigaOm to Drudge, TechCrunch, GreenBiz, Politico. #editorchat

[21:25:19] malouie: RT @JOHNABYRNE It’s a very different competitive world. #editorchat (agree, you’ve a great web/print balance at BusinessWeek)

[21:25:22] fixin2: How do we change the mindsets of those who don’t quite get where we’re headed? #editorchat

[21:25:26] jimmcbee: rt @JOHNABYRNE There will be many Born to the Web enterprises over the next few years that will teach the msm a thing or 2 #editorchat

[21:25:27] jenandtheart: @PDXsays I think this is exactly the place for this debate. This is unsolved b/c the editorial heirarchy is based on age #editorchat

[21:25:29] littlebrownpen: @RBLevin Agree. My first job out of college in 1999 was as a “community builder.” Goal? Increase page views and drive traffic. #editorchat

[21:25:32] winequester: @JOHNABYRNE It would be a step in the right direction for you to figure out that other media is available for editorials. #editorchat

[21:25:41] BeckyDMBR: @womenkind There were plenty of voices out there … just not MSM. #editorchat

[21:25:42] IPStrategist: @JOHNABYRNE Tried 2 cancel NYT home sub recently. Talked out of when given 1/2 price ($13/month) Me: someone has to pay 4 news. #editorchat

[21:25:43] aflyonthewall: RT @jennipps: RT@miltoncontact-most comprehensive tool for bldg community not technology itself but proactive key individuals #editorchat

[21:25:47] milehighfool: Killjoy warning. About six minutes left. Last question and then re-intros and a link if you’d like. #editorchat

[21:25:48] TMFZahrim: @RBLevin Except more public than IRC. No need to login to some server or channel; world is listening #editorchat

[21:25:50] MimiAndelman: I console myself knowing that “news” will never go out of business. Nor “talk,” but that’s another story. #editorchat

[21:25:53] dmac1: @milehighfool @BeckyDMBR Analysis more important than scoop, yes, but also giving reader incentive to seek out your analysis #editorchat

[21:25:53] secretsushi: @StevePR104 agreed. So differentiation is essential. Bloggers cant cover what an established news agency can… yet. #editorchat

[21:25:53] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE Many Born to the Web enterprises over the next few years that will teach the mainstream media a thing or two. #editorchat

[21:26:06] JOHNABYRNE: @fixin2 I’m afraid you won’t have to. There time is limited. They’ll be gone before you know it. #editorchat

[21:26:08] AlbertMaruggi: @mitchjoel aggregation path leads us to Netvibes and iGoogle as newspapers, I can make 10 local education widgets a day #editorchat

[21:26:17] jenwakefield: @johnabyrne ask how many people are reading/participating on a smartphone…i am. while at an nba game. #editorchat

[21:26:20] winequester: @winequester Telling me to filter this thread out means I have to learn something on two apps that I don’t need with others. #editorchat

[21:26:24] jenandtheart: New solutions don’t come from the same people or the same questions. And in a failing media economy… #editorchat

[21:26:33] jimmcbee: @Dark_Faust that process has been taking place for awhile. Maybe industry’s convulsions will shake that up. #editorchat

[21:26:34] FromCarl: @JOHNABYRNE Born to the Web will always have a lot to offer. Converts can add insight, too. #editorchat

[21:26:42] LydiaBreakfast: Tweeps we’d like to remind you that this session is nearly over. Tweet rapidly to get your last thoughts in #editorchat

[21:26:55] Dark_Faust: @dmac1 Readers are bombarded online. No filter in place. Look for continuing advances in that area. #editorchat

[21:26:57] leanneclc: What consumers want is smart media – stop dumbing it down. If it’s smart, informative and probative we will pay #editorchat

[21:27:04] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Tweeps we’d like to remind you that this session is nearly over. Tweet rapidly to get your last thoughts in #editorchat

[21:27:04] MightyCasey: @PDXsays @JOHNABYRNE web enterprises have already completely changed news delivery – the trusted-source piece is their challenge #editorchat

[21:27:23] marciamarcia: New solutions don’t come from the same people or the same questions. And in a failing media economy… via @jenandtheart #editorchat

[21:27:28] AlbertMaruggi: I believe people will pay for content, however I subscribed to Foreign Affairs and Christian Science Monitor, so I’m strange #editorchat

[21:27:28] milehighfool: @dmac1 I think sccops are still massively important. Event-driven breaking news? That’s for the AP, Reuters, Bloomberg. #editorchat

[21:27:29] secretsushi: - @JOHNABYRNE creating community around content is an attractive factors. Fostering discussions. #editorchat

[21:27:40] KathrynHallPR: RT JOHNABYRNE There will b many Born 2 Web enterprises over the next few yrs that will teach the mainstream media a thing or 2. #editorchat

[21:27:44] konadad: RT @leanneclc: What consumers want is smart media – stop dumbing it down. If it’s smart, informative and probative we will pay #editorchat

[21:27:54] PatBitton: Sorry, forgot all about it – too involved in work! #editorchat

[21:27:58] Dark_Faust: @LydiaBreakfast Is that the next stage for Twitter? 140 char limit as well as a 10 sec time limit per tweet? #editorchat

[21:28:00] paradisekitten: @MightyCasey very apt food analogy- ha! #editorchat

[21:28:16] shirleybrady: @milehighfool Maybe John could answer any remaining Q’s as add-on to Web transcript? Online extra! #editorchat

[21:28:16] littlebrownpen: RT @leanneclc What consumers want is smart media – stop dumbing it down. If it’s smart, informative and probative we will pay #editorchat

[21:28:19] GuaranteedGF: In one window I’m following serious discussion #editorchat, and then that link from the Onion comes in – what a disconnect!

[21:28:30] dmac1: @JOHNABYRNE What better proof of blogs coming of age than Obama’s press conferences, where Politico and others in the mix #editorchat

[21:28:30] RBLevin: @TMFZahrim True. Easier GUI. But no more social than 1988. Social media isn’t new. What’s new is everyone doing it. #editorchat

[21:28:36] JOHNABYRNE: One last thought, unless you have a few last questions. #editorchat

[21:28:37] StevePR104: @AlbertMaruggi but Al, who produces the content? Who checks it for accuracy and content? No answer, jes’ axin. #editorchat

[21:28:37] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool I have been sorely disappointed in the quality of breaking news from those sources of late. #editorchat

[21:28:39] MightyCasey: @littlebrownpen thanks – haven’t had dinner yet, have food on the brain! #editorchat

[21:28:43] karenauby: @dmac1 I wonder if there is also issues with “facts” in the rush to get a scoop. or maybe just the effect of overworked journos #editorchat

[21:28:43] MimiAndelman: The “Twitterview”? I draw the line. #editorchat

[21:28:51] fixin2: Thanks for letting me jump in the stream tonite, folks! Gotta run! #editorchat

[21:28:53] mobienthusiast: Thanks for the great #editorchat, headed for conference call – pls send me links to your mobile news sites for directory

[21:28:54] AlbertMaruggi: @jenwakefield what’s the score of the game? that’s citizen sports journalism #editorchat

[21:29:01] JOHNABYRNE: Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat

[21:29:06] LydiaBreakfast: Two minute warning tweeps. Re-introduce yourselves and let’s thank our guest. #editorchat

[21:29:12] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: One last thought, unless you have a few last questions. #editorchat

[21:29:23] RBLevin: @laflures How so? I type, others type, I read, others read, scrolling UI. Experience prettier, but functionally the same. #editorchat

[21:29:23] JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had access to so many tools to perform their jobs more creatively than now. #editorchat

[21:29:24] KathrynHallPR: RT @JOHNABYRNE U already have a gd gp of them, showing the way from HuffPo to GigaOm to Drudge, TechCrunch, GreenBiz, Politico. #editorchat

[21:29:25] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Readers can get breaking new from Twitter. Follow-up? Verification? That should come from journalists. #editorchat

[21:29:31] LydiaBreakfast: @JOHNABYRNE I agree it is great to be a part of the change. #editorchat

[21:29:39] milehighfool: @shirleybrady Yes. The transcript will be live at editorchat.wordpress.com and we’d be happy to have Q & A there. #editorchat

[21:29:48] MightyCasey: @JOHNABYRNE that’s why BW.com is such a great destination for biz news – you’re embracing it rather than whining! #editorchat

[21:29:49] rauch22: RT @JOHNABYRNE Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat

[21:29:52] JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had the advantage of having their own printing presses to do their own thing. #editorchat

[21:29:53] jennipps: RT @JOHNABYRNE Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat

[21:30:00] DoreenatDMS: @JOHNABYRNE i joined here too late; but will read feed; glad you mentioned the word *journalism* #editorchat

[21:30:01] PDXsays: @jenandtheart ur behind the times a bit… welcome to Obama Country #editorchat

[21:30:04] AlbertMaruggi: @StevePR104 you are right, it is a labor intensive effort. A good editor saves a poor journalist’s butt every time #editorchat

[21:30:08] BeckyDMBR: @dmac1 Yeah, that was interesting, wasn’t it? Funny thing for me? Not so many female faces in the crowd. Was it just me? #editorchat

[21:30:12] JOHNABYRNE: We spent too much time whining about the changes out there and not enough time taking advantage of new opportunities. #editorchat

[21:30:15] TMFZahrim: Anders Bylund, Motley Fool and Ars Technica writer. Great chat tonight, thanks @JOHNABYRNE and gang #editorchat

[21:30:18] MimiAndelman: Good one. Optimistic. Thanks @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat

[21:30:19] JDEbberly: I’m JD Ebberly and I heartily thank you very much for all your insights, John Byrne. I am very grateful! #editorchat

[21:30:28] fixin2: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat // I totally agree!

[21:30:28] knitnrun: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had access to so many tools to perform their jobs more creatively than now. #editorchat

[21:30:38] dmac1: @Dark_Faust For filters, check out what Gabe Rivera is doing. If he builds a Techmeme for general news, I might not buy the NYT #editorchat

[21:30:41] JOHNABYRNE: You can become an entrepreneur. You can engage your readers as true partners. You can change the very nature of journalism. #editorchat

[21:30:43] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Good point. Often it’s put out there for free … but, yeah. There’s the opportunity. #editorchat

[21:30:48] KathrynHallPR: RT @JOHNABYRNE Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat [Go, John!]

[21:30:49] StevePR104: @JOHNABYRNE John, without the means to monetize, it relegates journalism to a passion/hobby. Not a reliable source of news. #editorchat

[21:30:54] chrisgrayson: @JOHNABYRNE – looks a lot like the music industry #editorchat

[21:31:00] katieratcliffe: I’m katie ratcliffe in Japan. also thanks for insights! #editorchat

[21:31:02] marciamarcia: Never before have [any of us] had access to so many tools to perform our jobs more creatively than now. PRT @johnabyrne #editorchat

[21:31:05] JOHNABYRNE: That’s all very exciting and challenging. Opportunity exists when things are growing or when they’re falling apart. #editorchat

[21:31:07] jenandtheart: @PDXsays I’m in Mexico. #editorchat

[21:31:08] jimware: RT @JOHNABYRNE Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat

[21:31:09] Dark_Faust: @JOHNABYRNE Actually, what every household will have in the near future is a print press to download RSSs and print w coffee. #editorchat

[21:31:10] eclisham: Elaine Clisham, Newspaper Next evangelist. Thanks for the great discussion! #editorchat.

[21:31:11] MightyCasey: wow – used Tweetchat for the first time tonite for #editorchat. Sorry I didn’t use it before!!

[21:31:19] rachelcw: hates getting home late on Wednesdays and missing #editorchat

[21:31:22] jennipps: Re-intro: Jen, fl writer in S Oklahoma, spec. in writing, creativity, freelancing, & plus-size issues. Writer @ TutorialBlog.org #editorchat

[21:31:22] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Agreed. Tough as it is out there, it may be a great time to be a freelancer. Good ideas sell. #editorchat

[21:31:28] secretsushi: Retweeting @JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had access to so many tools to perform their jobs more creatively than now #editorchat

[21:31:29] LDinSTL_Chimera: @johnabyrne How many major editors tweet like you do–interactively? #editorchat

[21:31:30] JDEbberly: Also like to express my thankful gratitude to @LydiaBreakfast and @milehighfool and everyone for this educational chat. #editorchat

[21:31:31] jimmcbee: Thx to @JOHNABYRNE for rollicking good convo from Jim McBee: http://smartnewsnc.com We have freelance content to sell. #editorchat

[21:31:37] secretsushi: Retweeting @JOHNABYRNE: Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat

[21:31:36] shirleybrady: @milehighfool Got it, thx, Tim: please email any add’l Q’s to John after this; great chat + ideas from all! #editorchat

[21:31:44] marciamarcia: Opportunity exists when things are growing or when they’re falling apart. via @johnabyrne #editorchat

[21:31:45] jeffkart: @JOHNABYRNE good conversation. thanks for starting (if you did) #editorchat

[21:31:50] CRBJ: @JOHNABYRNE That’s well said. I’m pinning those comments to our newsroom wall. #editorchat

[21:31:51] jennipps: @MightyCasey I love Tweetchat. #editorchat

[21:32:06] milehighfool: RT @JOHNABYRNE Opportunity exists when things are growing or when they’re falling apart. #editorchat

[21:32:04] Willowbottom: Thanks very much @Johnabyrne for the fantastic conversation. Very much enjoyed it. #editorchat

[21:32:09] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool We need to figure out a better system for connecting good writers and good editors, no? #editorchat

[21:32:10] seanmj: Sean Johnson, TA for magazine editing classes at BYU. Lots of good insights tonight to share with students. Thanks. #editorchat #editorchat

[21:32:16] kristoforlawson: one day we will wake up, check news online, watch tv for the same content, go buy a paper and wonder why. ohh thats today.. #editorchat

[21:32:18] leanneclc: Really great discussion and nice group to meet tonight. Thanks @johnabyrne and #editorchat

[21:32:24] littlebrownpen: RT @JOHNABYRNE Opportunity exists when things are growing or when they’re falling apart. #editorchat

[21:32:34] jennipps: @JOHNABYRNE Thank you for being here and holding a very interesting conversation. #editorchat

[21:32:43] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE Opportunity exists when things are growing or when they’re falling apart. #editorchat

[21:32:47] bob_bobala: Bob Bobala, former editor-in-chief of The Motley Fool and editorial director at Intuit. Thanks for the chat tonight. See ya soon #editorchat

[21:32:50] JOHNABYRNE: @littlebrownpen Yes! #editorchat

[21:32:52] kristoforlawson: @JOHNABYRNE – all it takes is people with a vision for how the industry must progress. #editorchat

[21:32:58] suntimessports: Thanks for the interesting discussion, #editorchat – Craig Newman at the Chicago Sun-Times (@suntimes) here. Look forward to next chat.

[21:33:04] milehighfool: So, tweeps, reminder: if you have additonal questions send them to me or @LydiaBreakfast. Thanks much. #editorchat

[21:33:08] PDXsays: I *love* you guys… thanks for being who you are #editorchat

[21:33:10] pattyhuntington: RT @JOHNABYRNE: You can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. How many Madoff pleads guilty stories can anyone read. #editorchat

[21:33:17] DoreenatDMS: via @JOHNABYRNE: Never..have journalists had advtge of having theirown printg presses 2 do theirownthing #editorchat (distributionchannel 2)

[21:33:21] JOHNABYRNE: Thanks everyone for joining tonight. I’m off to the gym. #editorchat

[21:33:24] a2editor: Re-intro: Laura Cowan, freelance editor and writer working in book publishing and automotive media. Nice to see you all! #editorchat

[21:33:31] edwardboches: let’s hope we figure it out. the world needs great journalists, great editors and great content #editorchat

[21:33:44] George_Williams: @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat Why not combine the authoritative content with solid local SEO and really help local businesses – get business. more

[21:33:53] kristoforlawson: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Opportunity exists when things are growing or when they’re falling apart. #editorchat

[21:33:58] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Thanks very much, John. Great chat tonight. #editorchat

[21:34:00] LydiaBreakfast: @JOHNABYRNE Thanks so much John. #editorchat

[21:34:02] littlebrownpen: @JOHNABYRNE Well, perhaps there’s a business opportunity in there somewhere. Thanks for the great chat! #editorchat

[21:34:10] AlbertMaruggi: great conversation John, see you on blipFM :>) #editorchat

[21:34:10] lancegodard: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had the advantage of having their own printing presses to do their own thing. #editorchat

[21:34:14] pontific8: @JOHNABYRNE enjoyed your side of this chat. Were there any other sides? Seemed more like a monologue than an #editorchat – very few @s.

[21:34:27] knitnrun: RT @Dark_Faust Actually, what every household will have in the near future is a print press to download RSSs & print w coffee #editorchat

[21:34:30] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Thanks for the chat tonight! #editorchat

[21:34:37] seanmj: Thanks @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat

[21:34:42] jenandtheart: Jennifer Leslie. On a 2up 1976 motorcycle speeding through the universe to Argentina; a blogger. #editorchat

[21:34:48] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had the advantage of having their own printing presses to do their own thing #editorchat

[21:35:06] George_Williams: @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat And I don’t mean from only the newspaper site. @mitchjoel you can see where I’m headed with this.

[21:35:09] jenandtheart: @JOHNABYRNE Thanks for the sagely Yoda advice. #editorchat

[21:35:26] jennipps: Quite an interesting #editorchat tonight. Check my favorites & retweets for some of the highlights if you missed it.

[21:35:28] KathrynHallPR: RT @JOHNABYRNE That’s all very exciting and challenging. Opportunity exists when things are growing or when falling apart. #editorchat

[21:35:36] paradisekitten: ‘Neither fish nor fowl said the wise old owl could love you any more than I do’–editorchat, tweetchat and the {{{FUTURE}}} #editorchat

[21:35:40] StevePR104: @AlbertMaruggi and in the NWO, who will edit the bloggers/tweeters? Who will provide the perspective? That scares me. #editorchat

[21:35:43] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool As always, thanks to you and @LydiaBreakfast! #editorchat

[21:35:44] ATLCheap: Re-intro: Jennifer Maciejewski, ATL-based writer & blogger. Experimenting w/ entreprenuerial journalism w/ CitiesOnTheCheap.com #editorchat

[21:35:57] journalistics: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat

[21:35:57] jenwakefield: @albertmaruggi 61 v 48 magic! 6 left in q3 #editorchat

[21:36:00] cArtPhotography: @JOHNABYRNE I enjoyed listening / reading you. Thanks. #editorchat

[21:36:10] konadad: @JOHNABRYNE Thanks, John. Wish more eds-in-chief were as accessible as you. #editorchat

[21:36:10] calvin_s: RT @JOHNABYRNE: You can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. How many Madoff pleads guilty stories can anyone read. #editorchat

[21:36:32] GinaLaGuardia: RT @edwardboches: let’s hope we figure it out. the world needs great journalists, great editors and great content #editorchat

[21:36:32] secretsushi: RT @JOHNABYRNE: You can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. How many Madoff pleads guilty stories can anyone read. #editorchat

[21:36:34] lolmarkwell: RT @kristoforlawson: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Opportunity exists when things are growing or when they’re falling apart. #editorchat

[21:36:36] ATLCheap: “entrepreneurial” even, sheesh. #editorchat

[21:36:36] shirleybrady: @pontific8 This went fast! Perhaps John can respond to individual points in the follow-up transcript for the #editorchat blog?

[21:36:40] kristoforlawson: thanks for the chat everyone!! Love to see how journalism needs to change, now we just need to be the change. #editorchat

[21:36:41] JDEbberly: RT @konadad: @JOHNABRYNE Thanks, John. Wish more eds-in-chief were as accessible as you. #editorchat

[21:36:48] LydiaBreakfast: Tweeps, if you want to send questions to John send to me or @milehighfool #editorchat

[21:36:48] milehighfool: Thanks for joining. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, co-founder of this weekly chat with @LydiaBreakfast. #editorchat

[21:36:52] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat

[21:37:26] secretsushi: @JOHNABYRNE commodities journalism. Thats a great term to remember. As w/ any biz… differentiation s key. #editorchat

[21:37:26] LydiaBreakfast: Transcript of the chat will be available tomorrow at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:37:32] GinaLaGuardia: @JOHNABYRNE Amazing commentary tonight. Thank you very much! #editorchat

[21:37:33] AYoungOne: @sonnygill great. was able to follow @johnbyrne and get some great info re: jour. biz. #editorchat

[21:37:40] ThomScott: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had the advantage of having their own printing presses to do their own thing. #editorchat

[21:37:43] Dark_Faust: It’s interesting to parallel the collapse/transition of journs with a similar process taking place at universities. #editorchat

[21:37:57] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Transcript of the chat will be available tomorrow at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:38:02] littlebrownpen: Night everyone. Nichole Robertson, freelance writer, Copy Director #editorchat

[21:38:20] LydiaBreakfast: Thanls for coming everyone Lydia Dishman, Freelance journalist co-founder of #editorchat #editorchat

[21:38:34] shirleybrady: @milehighfool @lydiabreakfast & everyone on #editorchat (incl. my BW tweeps who popped by) – really enjoyed, to be continued! Thank you.

[21:38:50] Dark_Faust: Not sure that the online phenomena will give back as much as it takes. But the genie is out of the bottle, so a moot point. #editorchat

[21:39:08] AlbertMaruggi: @jenwakefield Ok and who are the Magic playing? just being an editor here how appropriate :>) #editorchat

[21:39:13] JDEbberly: May be able to read some of the transcript here http://twemes.com/editorchat #editorchat

[21:39:16] SCM64: Is just watching, new to this – need a study guide! #editorchat

[21:39:58] DoreenatDMS: RT @JDEbberly: May be able to read some of the transcript here http://twemes.com/editorchat #editorchat

[21:40:12] Dark_Faust: @MaryKnudson Wow. Thats a good question. Since I’m not in the newspaper bus, I really don’t know. #editorchat

[21:40:18] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks very much, Lydia & Tim. Another terrific event! Great that John could join us. #editorchat

[21:40:28] digiphile: @milehighfool Thanks to you and @JohnABryne for the live Q&A tonight on #digitaljournalism |http://editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:40:45] MaryKnudson: MaryKnudson@Dark_Faust OK for news operations 2 b run by non profit orgs but not OK for nwspaprs 2 become NP for ethics reasns? #editorchat

[21:41:20] secretsushi: Retweeting @LydiaBreakfast: Transcript of the chat will be available tomorrow at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:41:27] sbasista: @JOHNABYRNE I wasn’t part of #editorchat, but i thought your insight was so interesting

[21:42:11] LydiaBreakfast: If you want to continue the discussion head over to the blog at editorchat.wordpress.com ask a question, comment, keep talking. #editorchat

[21:42:29] PDXsays: @littlebrownpen glad to have found you to follow #editorchat

[21:42:57] PDXsays: @LydiaBreakfast Glad to have found you to follow #editorchat

[21:42:58] paulTbanks: hey everybody, i have a question: what’s this #editorchat thing? any info? thanks!

[21:43:01] hotspringer: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Transcript of tonight’s chat will be available tomorrow at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:43:04] kishizuka: Perusing #editorchat.

[21:43:33] seanmj: RT @JOHNABYRNE Never before have journalists had access to so many tools to perform their jobs more creatively than now. #editorchat

[21:43:38] VMaryAbraham: @marciamarcia So then, where do the new solutions come from? Is it just serendipity? Or is there a method we can follow? #editorchat

[21:43:38] LydiaBreakfast: @PDXsays Thanks! Glad you joined us #editorchat

[21:43:53] LydiaBreakfast: @paulTbanks editorchat.wordpress.com for info #editorchat

[21:44:22] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE Never before have journalists had access to so many tools to perform their jobs more creatively than now. #editorchat

[21:44:50] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: newspapers and magazines #editorchat… change will happen, necessarily & drastically, w/an eye to preservation & heritage..

[21:45:17] VMaryAbraham: @JOHNABYRNE But it takes an unusual person to see opportunity in the midst of turmoil. #editorchat

[21:46:02] dkemper: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had access to so many tools to perform their jobs more creatively than now. #editorchat

[21:46:51] JDEbberly: @JOHNABYRNE But it takes an unusual person to see opportunity in the midst of turmoil. #editorchat

[21:46:58] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content…. #editorchat… I disagree, they will pay to support an institution…

[21:47:08] jenwakefield: @lydiabreakfast awesome job on #editorchat

[21:47:18] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: The upshot: Nothing less than radical transformation is necessary to succeed in the future. #editorchat… absolutely!

[21:47:45] TMFZahrim: #editorchat Summary of the users who submitted the last 500 posts tonight, FWIW: http://dintur.net/editorchat.html

[21:48:02] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: The upshot: Nothing less than radical transformation is necessary to succeed in the future. #editorchat

[21:48:12] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: So they cling to the hope that print advertising will come back. #editorchat… print is not lost, I believe in preservation
[21:48:33] jasonaverbook: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Ultimately, I think local newspapers can only largely survive if they become local Googles. #editorchat

[21:48:55] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: He maintains that within three years, there will be a media boom. #editorchat… there is a current & continual ‘media boom’

[21:50:57] VMaryAbraham: @amandachapel If so, let’s hope there are lots of drunks and fools to lead us out of the economic quagmire. #editorchat

[21:51:34] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Right now, though, it’s hard to imagine us having a media boom… #editorchat there is a way for all modes to exist toge …

[21:51:38] BetsyHubbard: Great discussion on #editorchat tonight . Featured guest @JOHNABYRNE , ed of BusinessWeek.com (hence all my RTs) @OSUKips

[21:53:07] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE print’ll die in near future, we wont have paper. We’ll have a thin, flexible LCD, wireless, and can write on it. #editorchat

[21:54:31] monicagagnier: What’s great about @johnbyrne‘s tweets is they’re so honest. Did you catch his #editorchat? Many managers aren’t being authentic on Twitter

[21:55:04] JDEbberly: This has been Editorchat on 3.25.09 with @JohnAByrne as guest. It was one of the best Editorchats ever! #editorchat

[21:55:28] paulTbanks: @LydiaBreakfast thanks. intriguing discussion. #editorchat

[21:55:54] VMaryAbraham: @amandachapel Nope, it was garden-variety greedy humans who thought they were masters of the universe who led us into this mess.#editorchat

[21:57:13] wingspouse: Got in late. I write on topics for executive wives and other women’s topics. #editorchat

[21:57:44] fredneil2: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had access to so many tools to perform their jobs more creatively than now. #editorchat

[21:58:16] jtlongandco: @JDEbberly RT This has been Editorchat on 3.25.09 with @JohnAByrne as guest. It was one of the best Editorchats ever! #editorchat

[21:59:43] George_Williams: #editorchat How fast do you think businesses would run to advertise in the newspaper if it could produce measurable results for them? Zoom!

[22:08:33] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: You can become an entrepreneur. You can engage your readers as true partners. … . #editorchat… can & WILL

[22:09:37] lyricessence: RT @JOHNABYRNE: 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat

[22:10:46] lyricessence: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Problem is, most people in media cling to those three absolutes as if they are white lies and don’t change. #editorchat

[22:10:50] lyricessence: RT @JOHNABYRNE: So they cling to the hope that print advertising will come back. #editorchat

[22:12:26] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: You can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. #editorchat indeed, you need to bring passion & news, meaning ‘new’

[22:13:04] lyricessence: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Transformation is really hard and painful. That’s why a lot of players aren’t going to make it. #editorchat

[22:14:24] shotgunconcepts: synopsis of my thoughts for #editorchat http://tinyurl.com/d9tbwo @JOHNABYRNE

[22:17:13] lyricessence: @amandachapel this came from @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat

[22:23:38] Gents: @JOHNABYRNE Is there some way to string these responses together? Lost of good stuff here I’d like to read in depth. #editorchat

[22:27:04] lisasepiphany: RT@amandachapel:@lisasepiphany “@JOHNABYRNE You can become an entrepreneur #editorchat” U can & WILL be poor-what is it that YOU’re selling?

[22:38:14] dodgemedlin: @gents Two options: search.twitter.com, search for #editorchat. Or (probably better) go to http://tweetchat.com/room/editorchat

[22:41:12] JDEbberly: RT @dodgemedlin: @gents Two options: search.twitter.com, search for #editorchat. Or (probably better) go to http://tweetchat.com/room/ed …

[22:42:09] RUSEthemagazine: Enjoying the chat in #editorchat … good stuff

[22:42:18] JDEbberly: Regarding my last transmission, the room to go to is http://tweetchat.com/room/editorchat #editorchat

[22:42:21] mitchjoel: Do you think journalists have what it takes to make the digital transition? Add your thoughts here: http://is.gd/oZTJ (#editorchat)

[22:42:38] chuckdensinger: Kudos to BW’s @JOHNABYRNE for his #editorchat forums. Brilliant use of Twitter.

[22:46:08] MelyMello: Yes please! RT@edwardboches: let’s hope we figure it out. the world needs great journalists, great editors and great content #editorchat

[22:46:46] evelynso: RT @mitchjoel: Do u think journalists have what it takes to make the digital transition? Add thoughts here: http://is.gd/oZTJ (#editorchat)

[22:55:37] maragulens: RT @mitchjoel Do… journalists have what it takes to make the digital transition? … http://is.gd/oZTJ (#editorchat)

#editorchat