Most often, we associate this word with emergency services, food and perhaps certain family and friends. But content? Not typically. Publishers have long capitalized on their content as a whole to drive readership and revenue. They’ve created “brands” with a stable of writers that not only produce specific kinds of stories, but infuse them with a flavor that only their publication can claim.  It’s kind of like a writer’s voice, although in this sense, it is more like a chorus.

And yet if writers and editors are to feed their families from here on, that needs to change. At the very least, argues journalist Robert Niles, writers and editors need to walk a mile in a publisher’s shoes, and that means thinking like an entrepreneur – who is by definition, an individualist.

We wonder who is already doing this. Who among you is creating content that readers consider to be indispensable? Further questions:

• Writers: Tell us about your most successful story. What made it sing for readers?
• Editors: What stories are readers connecting with most? What are their features?
• All: As readers, what content do you find indispensable?

We’ll be discussing these questions and more tonight on #editorchat at 8:30pm EST.  Please drop us a comment in the box below if you have any further thoughts.

[20:31:43] shortformernie: Hey all. @milehighfool Got your message, will respond soon. #editorchat

[20:32:40] jennipps: Hi, all!! Jen, fl writer in south Oklahoma, specializing in creativity, writing, plus-size issues, and health at the moment. #editorchat

[20:32:47] shortformernie: Howdy hey! Ernie Smith, editor, ShortFormBlog — that’s http://shortformblog.com — and designer, Wash. Post Express. #editorchat

[20:33:12] milehighfool: @shortformernie Awesome. Thanks, Ernie. Glad you could make it tonight. #editorchat

[20:33:30] anndouglas: Please use www.twittersnooze.com if you want to filter my #editorchat tweets for the next couple of hours.

[20:33:31] milehighfool: @jennipps Welcome back, Jen. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:33:37] hotspringer: Rebecca McCormick, freelance travel and feature writer from Hot Springs, Ark. #editorchat

[20:34:04] jennipps: @milehighfool And I’m not house- or dog-sitting tonight, so I should be able to be here for the whole thing. #editorchat

[20:34:05] GLHancock: Georganna in San Diego, proud of the Padres, reading the Union-Tribune, writing, editing, and fooling around with websites #editorchat

[20:34:19] AuldHouse: #editorchat by night launching AuldHouse Publishing focusing on how-to content in ebook format

[20:34:19] jennipps: @hotspringer Hi, Rebecca! Good to see you. #editorchat

[20:34:22] merylkevans: Texas gal who doesn’t have a tattoo and loves to play with words both for a living as writer / editor and for fun. #editorchat

[20:34:24] anndouglas: Hi all. I’m Ann Douglas – author, blogger, magazine columnist, copywriter, etc. #editorchat

[20:35:07] jennipps: @merylkevans That reminds me of a blog post I’ve had simmering for a couple days. Um…the playing with words part, not the tat. #editorchat

[20:35:09] milehighfool: @hotspringer @GLHancock Rebecca, Georganna — welcome. Glad you could makeit. #editorchat

[20:35:17] littlebrownpen: Hi everyone. Nichole Robertson. Freelance writer, blogger, Copy Director for a German organic skin care brand. #editorchat

[20:35:44] jennipps: @anndouglas Hi, Ann. Thanks for the RT earlier. #editorchat

[20:35:54] chriswebb: Hello all. I am an Associate Publisher, John WIley & Sons. #editorchat

[20:36:12] hinder: Howdy all. I’m Katie writer and editor for a handful of publications and websites. #editorchat

[20:36:12] jennipps: @littlebrownpen Did you get a new avatar picture? Looks good. #editorchat

[20:36:15] LydiaBreakfast: Good Evening all, a hearty welcome from your co-host Lydia Dishman, freelance features writer #editorchat

[20:36:29] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen @AuldHouse @merylkevans Hey there. Thanks for joining us tonight. #editorchat

[20:36:48] LydiaBreakfast: @chriswebb Hi Chris, nice to see you thanks for coming #editorchat

[20:36:50] milehighfool: @chriswebb Welcome. Great to have you here. #editorchat

[20:36:58] littlebrownpen: @jennipps I did. I had to get rid of the winter hat. #editorchat

[20:37:08] LydiaBreakfast: @hinder Hey Katie thanks for coming #editorchat

[20:37:29] fixin2: Good evening. I’m Paul, news editor for a small daily newspaper in Mississippi. #editorchat

[20:37:58] milehighfool: @hinder Hey Katie. Good post re: freelancing failure. Valuable lessions for us all, I think. #editorchat

[20:38:00] LydiaBreakfast: @hotspringer Hey Rebecca good to see you #editorchat

[20:38:02] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:12] LydiaBreakfast: @fixin2 Hi Paul thanks for joining us #editorchat

[20:38:15] ErikSherman: Evening I’m a freelancer, contributing editor at BNET, write for various magazines, and a book here and there #editorchat

[20:38:19] milehighfool: @fixin2 Hi Paul. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:38:26] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Nichole you look lovely, with or without your hat #editorchat

[20:38:37] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Good evening Erik, welcome #editorchat

[20:38:58] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! I was teased quite a bit about it. But I have somewhere between two and three photos of myself. #editorchat

[20:38:59] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Good to see you again, Erik. See the news from Google I/O? I swear it’s the new Macworld. #editorchat

[20:39:04] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Jen, good to see you again #editorchat

[20:39:24] chriswebb: So as this is my first #editorchat, is there a topic for discussion tonight?

[20:39:45] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans hey Meryl, are you attempting three chats tonight? #editorchat

[20:40:08] jennipps: @chriswebb Yep. Either @milehighfool or @LydiaBreakfast will get us started with the first question in a few minutes. #editorchat

[20:40:09] LydiaBreakfast: @chriswebb radical monetization and we’ll start the questions soon #editorchat

[20:40:25] fixin2: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! Wasn’t sure I could make it; can hang for about 30-40 min. #editorchat

[20:40:33] milehighfool: @chriswebb There is. Radical monetization models in publishing. We’ll get to the Qs shortly. First, let me offer some rules. #editorchat

[20:40:37] SpecialDee: #editorchat Jumping in the convo, Special Sections Editor at Maine newspaper. Hello!

[20:40:51] merylkevans: @LydiaBreakfast Sure am! So far, so good… and trying to add one to my chat list at the moment. #editorchat

[20:40:55] LydiaBreakfast: @fixin2 excellent, tweeps are in and out all the time #editorchat

[20:41:05] milehighfool: Rule No. 1 Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:41:10] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Hiya Ms. Dee, thanks for stopping in #editorchat

[20:41:24] milehighfool: Rule No. 2 Stay on topic. #editorchat

[20:41:28] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans you are a wonder #editorchat

[20:41:36] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Trade shows as news making spots seem to go through phases. #editorchat

[20:42:09] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat

[20:42:19] ErikSherman: @LydiaBreakfast With the way things are going, radical monetization will be anything that works. #editorchat

[20:42:24] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:42:57] milehighfool: Rule No. 5: Refer to the question number when commenting. Q1, Q2, etc. #editorchat

[20:43:03] GLHancock: @ErikSherman tee! hee! That’s what I thought, too! #editorchat

[20:43:11] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman we’ll see what these fine tweeps come up with tonight. The new model may just be found in our chat. #editorchat

[20:43:27] studentoflife: RT @milehighfool Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.)#editorchat

[20:44:10] milehighfool: @ErikSherman (Wince.) Too true, but we’ll give it a whirl anyhow. We’ve seen some interesting ideas lately. #editorchat

[20:44:27] bacigalupe: Redundant Rule: Keep the comments short #editorchat

[20:44:37] rachelcw: Take 2. Rachel Weingarten – author/marketer/freelance writer/prognosticator & commentator All around helpful person #editorchat

[20:45:15] JDEbberly: Apologies for arriving here late! Traffic is bad here in N VA #editorchat

[20:45:21] LydiaBreakfast: @bacigalupe excellent point, thanks for that #editorchat

[20:45:51] ErikSherman: @milehighfool One just came into my email inbox – magazines considering iPhone apps. #editorchat

[20:45:52] JDEbberly: I apologize to my followers for excessive tweets as I enter Editorchat, which runs from 830pm to 10pm EST #editorchat

[20:45:59] LydiaBreakfast: @JDEbberly JD you just need to tweet on the side of the road #editorchat

[20:46:02] milehighfool: @bacigalupe More important yet not a rule: Keep comments relevant. #editorchat

[20:46:05] jennipps: @JDEbberly Good to see you! Glad you made it through the traffic. #editorchat

[20:46:41] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Not surprised, though I like the idea of Kindle DX subscriptions better. #editorchat

[20:46:56] milehighfool: @JDEbberly Glad you could make it, JD. #editorchat

[20:46:56] jennipps: @milehighfool Hm. It kind of is a rule. Goes along with the “Stay on topic” part. #editorchat

[20:47:13] rachelcw: oh yes, my apologies in advance if I seem to be tweeting on high speed, I’m about to enter #editorchat

[20:47:27] LydiaBreakfast: @rachelcw Rachel, welcome! #editorchat

[20:47:36] Dark_Faust: John Blyler, EiC for several technology trade pubs. This is the earliest that I’ve been here in a while. #editorchat

[20:47:41] bacigalupe: So the topic is the topic today? #editorchat

[20:47:42] ErikSherman: @milehighfool And just think – it could be worse. You could be in charge of Sirius XM. #editorchat

[20:47:52] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Oh, oh, hey, hey … Becky here from Iow-ay. #editorchat

[20:47:59] milehighfool: @rachelcw Welcome, Rachel. We can attest to how helpful you are. #editorchat

[20:48:05] LydiaBreakfast: So we are talking radical monetization tonight, in light of shrinking budgets in all media #editorchat

[20:48:19] rachelcw: waves hello to Lydia! thanks #editorchat

[20:48:27] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Wahoo! #editorchat

[20:48:30] shortformernie: @JDEbberly There’s a reason why I live in D.C. proper. #editorchat

[20:48:37] imagirlscout: @kgh23 just found this … You might be interested: Editorchat, which runs from 830pm to 10pm EST #editorchat

[20:48:43] JDEbberly: JD Ebberly here out of N VA – Writes articles on blogging and new media – Glad to be in Editorchat! #editorchat

[20:48:48] bacigalupe: What’s radical monetization? (oops, I will be spammed) #editorchat

[20:48:50] GLHancock: A friend asked me if I thought it would be a good idea to give all school kids Kindles and make texts electronic. Cal is broke! #editorchat

[20:48:53] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie Hiya Ernie, thanks for dropping in #editorchat

[20:48:55] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Right. The good news: I can’t tan like Mel Karmazin. #editorchat

[20:49:33] marciamarcia: Freelance writer w/ FastCo+, educator, editor, learner, mom, SoMe enthusiast. Thrilled to have a short break to join in on #editorchat

[20:49:36] merylkevans: @JDEbberly Lived in DC for six years… don’t miss the traffic itty bit. #editorchat

[20:49:40] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR Hey Becky! Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:49:43] Dark_Faust: Did anyone see the WSJ article about the shortage of investment analysts? Companies aren’t getting coverage which means lost $$. #editorchat

[20:50:01] Dark_Faust: Similar to the plight of editors in general. #editorchat

[20:50:05] AuldHouse: @bacigalupe I was about to ask the same thing–would like definition. #editorchat

[20:50:22] jennipps: @imagirlscout You’re both welcome to join in #editorchat. (BTW, hi from a fellow Okie.)

[20:50:23] bacigalupe: The #editorchat at the start is like taking off the jackets, picking up a drink, finding a sofa…

[20:50:27] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust do you have a link? #editorchat

[20:50:30] ErikSherman: @milehighfool That tan is proof of the existence of cyborgs. #editorchat

[20:50:58] milehighfool: What we mean by radical monetization = new or unproven models for monetizing content, be it reporting, books, etc. #editorchat

[20:51:02] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia Hiya Marcia glad you stopped by #editorchat

[20:51:09] KatPowers: Am I late? My computer *is* wired #editorchat

[20:51:15] AuldHouse: @Dark_Faust Do you have a link to that article? #editorchat

[20:51:39] milehighfool: Call this the whiteboard version of Editorchat. We’re looking for successes, faliures, and frankly brand new ideas. #editorchat

[20:51:43] LydiaBreakfast: RT @milehighfool radical monetization = new or unproven models for monetizing content, be it reporting, books, etc. #editorchat

[20:52:27] jennipps: RT @milehighfool radical monetization = new or unproven models for monetizing content, be it reporting, books, etc. #editorchat

[20:52:34] milehighfool: @KatPowers (Bzzzzzzt.) Right on time, Kat. Welcome. #editorchat

[20:52:42] AuldHouse: Ah, well here’s the rub. Need cash to fund new monetization products. Funds and budget lacking in these times. #editorchat

[20:52:46] LydiaBreakfast: Radical monetization = new ways to make money. Anyone found any that are working? Can you share. #editorchat

[20:52:47] bacigalupe: fav @milehighfool radical monetization = new or unproven models for monetizing content, be it reporting, books, etc. #editorchat

[20:53:20] marciamarcia: Steeped in issues around organization culture & social media, reminded culture can be blamed (credited?) for lack of new models #editorchat

[20:53:34] shortformernie: Ultimately, we need to figure out way to get people for the razor blades while making the razor itself pretty cheap. #editorchat

[20:54:01] JDEbberly: Would Interactive Learning Environments (ILE’s) count as radical monetization? #editorchat

[20:54:03] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Radical monetization = new ways to make money. Anyone found any that are working? Can you share? #editorchat

[20:54:27] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast (Is this Q1?) I think it’s been shown revenue-share sites don’t work very well. I can’t think of any that have. #editorchat

[20:54:29] shortformernie: But the question is, where are the blades? It’s not the news. Maybe it’s the content. But it’s not the news. #editorchat

[20:54:40] milehighfool: @JDEbberly In what way, JD. #editorchat

[20:55:05] milehighfool: Some background for this why this topic and why now … #editorchat

[20:55:17] wordful: @shortformernie Good point, Ernie #editorchat

[20:55:45] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps It is Q1 we just jumped right in tonight #editorchat

[20:55:47] milehighfool: James Surowiecki (New Yorker, The Wisdom of Crowds) recently did an analysis that found distressed times are best to invest. #editorchat

[20:55:54] shortformernie: Oh yeah. #rev20h is incredibly relevant to this: http://www.revenuetwopointzero.com/ #editorchat

[20:56:11] milehighfool: So we wondered: How are publishers investing? #editorchat

[20:56:13] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast THought it might be. I looked away for a minute, so I wasn’t 100% sure. #editorchat

[20:56:17] JDEbberly: @milehighfool You take content, repackage it using multimedia and sell memberships. #editorchat

[20:56:35] Dark_Faust: @LydiaBreakfast Here’s a couple links: http://bit.ly/rPOmU http://bit.ly/42BlH #editorchat

[20:56:37] GLHancock: The guy in CSM might have something there about value. People aren’t going to pay for crap, unless it’s porn or hot gossip. #editorchat

[20:56:48] JDEbberly: @milehighfool Brian Clark of Copyblogger fame runs an ILE known as Teaching Sells #editorchat

[20:56:56] bacigalupe: @milehighfool is anyone making money in anyway these days? (couldn’t resist, no need to reply) #editorchat

[20:57:14] rachelcw: Q1: stop thinking only of publishers or one biz model. Instead explore new talents/rusty ones & use as new ways for outreach #editorchat

[20:57:16] milehighfool: We know, for example, that the New York Times just fired a social media editor. How do you glean value from that role? #editorchat

[20:57:28] Dark_Faust: Where’s my headshot? Guess Twitter isn’t smart enough to resize graphics. Founders need to invest in tool features #editorchat

[20:57:29] SpecialDee: #editorchat News organizations employ multitalented people – use their skills: offer services to local businesses

[20:57:40] AuldHouse: @GLHancock LOL. #editorchat

[20:57:55] milehighfool: Wait. I said “fired.” That should have read “hired.” Sticky fingers. #editorchat

[20:58:06] wordful: @milehighfool isn’t that hired and not fired? #editorchat

[20:58:21] hotspringer: @milehighfool. Fired or hired? #editorchat

[20:58:25] SpecialDee: #editorchat News organizations employ talented graphic designers – market their skills to local businesses

[20:58:34] rachelcw: @milehighfool prescient fingers? #editorchat

[20:58:36] shortformernie: @milehighfool That’s kind of a minor difference there =) #editorchat

[20:58:43] milehighfool: @wordful Yep. Good catch, Charles. Sorry about that. #editorchat

[20:58:57] jennipps: @milehighfool Would the social media editor be similar to a community manager (such as what @DebNg does for BlogTalkRadio)? #editorchat

[20:58:57] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Fired? Or hired? #editorchat

[20:59:02] lauriemeisel: @milehighfool You did mean hired a social media editor. I think it is the NYT way of catching up with the pulse of the industry #editorchat

[20:59:14] Dark_Faust: @AuldHouse #editorchat See if you can get in to WSJ: http://bit.ly/hAdl

[20:59:38] milehighfool: @rachelcw Oy. Don’t say that — I don’t want to be responsible for a karmic freight train bearing down on an inncoent tweeter. #editorchat

[20:59:42] marciamarcia: News organizations employ multitalented people. Use their skills: offer services to local businesses via @SpecialDee #editorchat

[20:59:58] merylkevans: What surprised me about NYTimes hire — she had a lot of private accts in SM. Is she really the best person? #editorchat

[21:00:13] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps I don’t think so, community editors build the community around the readers’ engagement #editorchat

[21:00:14] jennipps: I think what can be gotten out of such a role depends on what the person hired puts into it. Got a slug=get no benefit. #editorchat

[21:00:18] wordful: Seems like there’s a real gap between large news media and small blogger media — the bloggers are making money, others aren’t #editorchat

[21:00:19] milehighfool: @lauriemeisel Yes, that’s what I meant. Damn you, tasty chicken and your finger-sticking goodness! #editorchat

[21:00:28] SpecialDee: #editorchat Market your writing skills to businesses; perhaps this falls under Advertising Dept. – write biz brochures/marketing stuff

[21:00:44] milehighfool: RT @merylkevans: What surprised me about NYTimes hire — she had a lot of private accts in SM. Is she really the best person? #editorchat

[21:01:01] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast OK. Just wanting to be able to differentiate well enough for chat purposes. #editorchat

[21:01:35] JenniferPerillo: Hi folks. Jennifer, food editor at Working Mother. Will probably just sit on the sidelines tonight. Oh, the deadlines. #editorchat

[21:01:38] milehighfool: @wordful That’s the issue. What we want to know is why. Why are the bloggers making money? What models are they using? #editorchat

[21:01:39] ErikSherman: @wordful Not that many bloggers are making money, but I’m not sure that’s different from publishing in general. #editorchat

[21:01:41] SpecialDee: #editorchat Work with the local schools and colleges: give workshops (for a fee) on writing, reporting, journalism, multimedia

[21:01:46] rachelcw: @milehighfool Never! Sometimes tho there are seismic initial shake-ups that can’t be helped as they figure out how it all works #editorchat

[21:01:48] littlebrownpen: @wordful I agree. I know bloggers who make money. Ad revenue, related writing gigs, leveraging their following, etc. #editorchat

[21:02:03] wordful: Those big organizations aren’t adapting fast enough b/c they’re too big and old-school. NYT just now getting a SM editor is late #editorchat

[21:02:10] milehighfool: @lauriemeisel Agreed. @LydiaBreakfast and I are big fans of @shirleybrady. #editorchat

[21:02:21] Dark_Faust: Is Twitter slow for anyone else? #editorchat

[21:02:23] wordful: @ErikSherman Sure, not many making money but there are ones who are doing very well at it #editorchat

[21:02:37] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans maybe that is why she got the job? People used to pad resumes, now they add more SM accounts #editorchat

[21:02:45] bacigalupe: We are in a period of experimentation, how the money will be made is up in this business environment is up for grabs, isn’t it? #editorchat

[21:03:06] wordful: @milehighfool The model is there, it’s freely available but you find it by being on the ground level, not so high up in the corp #editorchat

[21:03:15] SpecialDee: Twitter is very slow (using TweetDeck) wonder if that makes a difference from using browser? #editorchat

[21:03:15] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo He Jennifer, we feel you. Just chime in if you can. #editorchat

[21:03:19] milehighfool: @wordful But is it too late? NYT has a killer brand on Twitter. Could its tweets be monetized? Pay for access to the feed? #editorchat

[21:03:35] jennipps: @Dark_Faust It’s been slow off & on all afternoon. #editorchat

[21:03:52] AuldHouse: @bacigalupe So True! #editorchat

[21:03:57] milehighfool: @bacigalupe No question. What experiments do you see working? Which aren’t? #editorchat

[21:03:59] bacigalupe: Not sure why the NYT is often used as an example, may be The Economist is a better one #editorchat

[21:04:22] lauriemeisel: @wordful You are right, larger old-school orgs tend to be late adopters. #editorchat Then they find themselves having to play catch-up.

[21:04:26] shortformernie: @wordful That ground level comment plays into what I said last night about the slowly decentralizing market for journalists. #editorchat

[21:04:47] ErikSherman: @milehighfool I think pay for tweet feed access wouldn’t work. Not *everything* has to be monetized. #editorchat

[21:04:53] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool But will tweeps pay for tweets? Would you? #editorchat

[21:05:01] GLHancock: @milehighfool I hate to say but it looks like the narrower the niche, the greater chance for success. #editorchat

[21:05:02] SpecialDee: #editorchat Advertisers sponsor theme-based portals which are windows to outside links to blogs, forums, etc based on a topic such as health

[21:05:08] LydiaBreakfast: @bacigalupe @milehighfool wonder if @johnabyrne is thinking the same thing re: BusinessWeek #editorchat

[21:05:11] shortformernie: Regarding making money, Maybe it’s not about working at the NYT anymore. Maybe it’s about hustling to make your bread. #editorchat

[21:05:24] milehighfool: @shortformernie Love that. “Slowly decentralizing marke” — a perfect market for freelancers, in other words. #editorchat

[21:05:28] jennipps: RT @ErikSherman @milehighfool I think pay for tweet feed access wouldn’t work. Not *everything* has to be monetized. #editorchat

[21:05:35] wordful: @milehighfool Don;t think monetized tweets could work. Maybe they just have to accept that they won’t be the big guys anymore #editorchat

[21:05:48] AuldHouse: RT@GLHancock: @milehighfool I hate to say but it looks like the narrower the niche, the greater chance for success. #editorchat

[21:05:49] bacigalupe: @milehighfool @NPR no doubt, a radio becoming a form of mixed media, lot written stuff, recording, in-depth stuff, etc. #editorchat

[21:05:52] rachelcw: @ErikSherman @Profnet has an interesting balance. Pay for Profnet and some urgent freebie Tweets #editorchat

[21:05:52] fixin2: @milehighfool I understand the thought to make $ on Twitter, but I like it that it’s free; hope it stays that way somehow. #editorchat

[21:06:21] milehighfool: @GLHancock That’s the secret for blogs. But not everyone can specialize. General interest magazines like Harpers are still OK. #editorchat

[21:06:34] littlebrownpen: RT @AuldHouse @GLHancock @milehighfool I hate to say but it looks like the narrower the niche, the greater chance for success #editorchat

[21:06:47] JDEbberly: RT @GLHancock: @milehighfool I hate to say but it looks like the narrower the niche, the greater chance for success. #editorchat

[21:07:02] bacigalupe: @GLHancock rather than thinking of narrower, we should think of higher expertise, it can cover a lot one knows there is depth #editorchat

[21:07:06] LydiaBreakfast: Agreed RT @milehighfool That’s the secret for blogs. But not everyone can specialize. #editorchat

[21:07:12] GLHancock: How about pay for tweets? Like the older PPP? #editorchat

[21:07:34] milehighfool: @wordful Would you if you were a reporter at the NYT? #editorchat

[21:08:04] wordful: @shortformernie Exactly! I completely agree Ernie. NYTimes can’t be the 900-lb gorilla and expect to be profitable anymore #editorchat

[21:08:12] SpecialDee: #editorchat Part of the formula is being important to your local market.

[21:08:17] ErikSherman: @rachelcw True – a market that badly wants the message. But most content doesn’t have that degree of monetary urgency. #editorchat

[21:08:24] Dark_Faust: #editorchat Repacked content only works with “new” audiences. And it doesn’t work well in Asia since content is so easily pirated.

[21:08:36] milehighfool: @bacigalupe Right. Isn’t mixed-media an opportunity? Aren’t there levels of content that could be monetized differently? #editorchat

[21:08:40] merylkevans: @LydiaBreakfast I repeatedly advise people to find niche though I don’t have niche. I like it that way and doing A-OK. #editorchat

[21:08:51] wordful: @milehighfool I suppose I’d get out while I can and stop relying on them for my livelihood #editorchat

[21:08:51] fixin2: @GLHancock I really think charging for access would kill the medium; it’s sort of like the Wild West now and it’s fun that way. #editorchat

[21:09:00] JenniferPerillo: @littlebrownpen Bingo! Rev isn’t just ads. It’s also work that comes as result of blog & using SM exp 2 do consulting in field. #editorchat

[21:09:11] shortformernie: @wordful Totally. There’s a reason why musicians at indie labels are thriving and the major labels are struggling. #editorchat

[21:09:33] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans I’m probably one of the last general assignment reports standing. And I like that a lot #editorchat

[21:09:36] milehighfool: @ErikSherman So how do we change that? I agree that content doesn’t usually force action and demand compensation. #editorchat

[21:09:40] ErikSherman: @LydiaBreakfast Even “generalists” tend to have a number of specialties. Newspaper sections are essentially specialized. #editorchat

[21:09:44] shortformernie: Are you guys familiar with the idea of creative destruction? It’s totally relevant here. #editorchat

[21:09:49] bacigalupe: Compare: NYT today: http://tinyurl.com/unicycles & my blog entry weeks ago: http://blogs.umb.edu/bacigalupe what’s better? #editorchat

[21:10:02] milehighfool: @wordful Ouch. Love yur honesty, Charles. (Like your blog, too.) #editorchat

[21:10:05] merylkevans: @LydiaBreakfast Generals unite! High five! #editorchat

[21:10:24] SpecialDee: #editorchat I’m not going 2 the NYT for news happening in Lewiston, Maine. I’ll google Lewiston, Maine 2 find news which will lead 2 paper.

[21:10:26] AuldHouse: @merylkevans There is always room for good generalists. They can usually spot trends very well. #editorchat

[21:10:29] GLHancock: @fixin2 NOT charge for access. Paid to tweet. I’m sure it is already happening! #editorchat

[21:10:33] milehighfool: @shortformernie Completely. Hence the term “radical” for this discussion. Everything has to be on the table, no? #editorchat

[21:10:38] wordful: @milehighfool Thanks, Tim #editorchat

[21:10:41] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans *smack, smack* #editorchat

[21:11:00] marciamarcia: I’m reminded of something Bill Gates said in the early 90s, “Information for free. Services for fee.” #editorchat

[21:11:09] jennipps: RT @AuldHouse @merylkevans There is always room for good generalists. They can usually spot trends very well. #editorchat

[21:11:20] AuldHouse: @merylkevans Speaking as a generalist of course. #editorchat

[21:11:37] shortformernie: @marciamarcia In other words, make people pay for the tools. #editorchat

[21:11:43] milehighfool: Example: Much as I think Wired’s Chris Anderson is brilliant, I wonder if free content is just an excuse to sucker punch readers #editorchat

[21:11:50] wordful: There are established/experimental ways to monetize content but the people doing it are too busy/pioneering to standardize it #editorchat

[21:12:01] milehighfool: RT @marciamarcia: I’m reminded of something Bill Gates said in the early 90s, “Information for free. Services for fee.” #editorchat

[21:12:12] fixin2: @GLHancock Ah! Sry! Misunderstood. Freelance or personal tweeters! Ha! Kind of like personal shopping! I think I like that. #editorchat

[21:12:15] shortformernie: Unfortunately, newspapers aren’t sure where the tools are anymore. #editorchat

[21:12:18] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s get to Q2 speaking of free content Writers: are publishers plying you with new pay ideas? What’s the craziest pay model? #editorchat

[21:12:28] bacigalupe: @milehighfool yes, there is an opportunity there but I am not a business person so cannot say, clearly it has an audience though #editorchat

[21:12:38] wordful: In other words, not very many bloggers are visionary and competent editors…yet #editorchat

[21:12:38] milehighfool: @marciamarcia Make readers pay when there’s something actionable in the content. #editorchat

[21:12:39] JDEbberly: RT @AuldHouse @merylkevans There is always room for good generalists. They can usually spot trends very well. #editorchat

[21:12:57] JDEbberly: RT @marciamarcia: I’m reminded of something Bill Gates said in the early 90s, “Information for free. Services for fee.” #editorchat

[21:13:31] chiefhotmomma: RT @marciamarcia: I’m reminded of something Bill Gates said in the early 90s, “Information for free. Services for fee.” #editorchat

[21:13:32] BetterWriters: craziest pay model is “free” (late to join) Having a hard time finding paying work. #editorchat

[21:13:34] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q2 Writers: are publishers plying you with new pay ideas? What’s the craziest pay model? #editorchat

[21:13:37] wordful: @shortformernie Can you elaborate on creative destruction? #editorchat

[21:13:39] AuldHouse: @marciamarcia And yet now in many cases services are free! #editorchat

[21:13:48] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Anderson thinks that some, not all, should be free… #editorchat

[21:13:48] GLHancock: I would never have remained generalist if I could have spotted the niche trend soon enough! #editorchat

[21:13:48] anndouglas: @marciamarcia So in other words, pay for access to the platform or tools you need to manipulate the info. #editorchat

[21:13:50] jennipps: Q2 – It may be crazy; it’s not new: Write for “exposure.” Um…since when does “exposure” pay the bills/put food on the table? #ed

[21:14:14] LydiaBreakfast: @BetterWriters you are not alone in being asked that – insulting really, but all to common. #editorchat

[21:14:16] fixin2: RT @wordful: In other words, not very many bloggers are visionary and competent editors…yet #editorchat

[21:14:38] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Many publications made everything free, reducing perceived value of stories to zero. Nothing left to charge for. #editorchat

[21:14:51] hotspringer: Exposure efforts in wrong direction: Naked News, Helium, pay-to-play interns. #editorchat

[21:14:54] AuldHouse: @milehighfool I love Chris Anderson, but even Long Tail has been proven to not work. #editorchat

[21:15:04] ErikSherman: @LydiaBreakfast Q2: Craziest model – write for exposure. #editorchat

[21:15:12] milehighfool: @BetterWriters Shouldn’t *some* content be free — stuff that can be found plenty of other places? #editorchat

[21:15:14] mariaschneider: The free content model only works if you have a viable product or service to sell alongside. #editorchat. #editorchat

[21:15:18] shortformernie: @wordful It’s an early 20th century philosophy. Basically big dogs are always being taken down by clever, intuitive little dogs. #editorchat

[21:15:27] jennipps: @ErikSherman So often people don’t appreciate what they don’t pay for. This might be a prime example of that. #editorchat

[21:15:49] LydiaBreakfast: Q2 Writers: are publishers plying you with new pay ideas? What’s the craziest pay model you’ve tried? #editorchat

[21:16:09] GLHancock: Q2: Pay to be an intern blogger at Huffington Post. #editorchat

[21:16:10] shortformernie: @wordful Silicon Valley is a great example of this. Companies rise and fall there all the time because of oneupmanship. #editorchat

[21:16:13] lauriemeisel: RT @jennipps Q2 – It may be crazy; it’s not new: Write for “exposure.” When does “exposure” pay the bills/put food on the table? #

[21:16:23] wordful: @shortformernie I like that word “always” in there…gives a sense of imminence #editorchat

[21:16:31] milehighfool: @mariaschneider Precisely. Also, I wonder if we’re giving away content we shouldn’t simply because of long-held beliefs. #editorchat

[21:16:49] BetterWriters: @milehighfool Content I put on my own blog is free. If other sites are getting ad rev, then they should pay writers. #editorchat

[21:16:53] AuldHouse: be back, child demanding attention #editorchat.

[21:16:57] JDEbberly: RT @jennipps Q2- It may be crazy; it’s not new: Write for “exposure.” When does “exposure” pay the bills/put food on the table? #

[21:17:07] milehighfool: @shortformernie So, along those lines, should newspapers and magazines have an R7D department? I say yes. #editorchat

[21:17:08] fixin2: Gotta peel out folks; it’s been fun! Paul, news editor for small Mississippi daily. Later! #editorchat

[21:17:23] LydiaBreakfast: @GLHancock @milehighfool has written about both the HuffPo internships and Helium brilliantly in his blog posts #editorchat

[21:17:27] ErikSherman: Q2: exposure only makes sense if you’re exposed to potential clients. Otherwise, fooling self into thinking marketing. #editorchat

[21:17:32] milehighfool: @BetterWriters That’s an issue of ownership and I agree wholeheartedly. #editorchat

[21:17:34] BetterWriters: Also I do guest blogging for friends to get more traffic to my blog, but I don’t see that as the same thing. #editorchat

[21:17:37] hjarche: RT @marciamarcia I’m reminded of something Bill Gates said in the early 90s, Information for free. Services for fee. #editorchat

[21:17:40] jennipps: Q2 – The “pay” model at today.com is nuts, too. $1/post (max 1 post a day) unless you post everyday, then you get dropped. #editorchat

[21:17:53] hotspringer: Q2. When someone asks if I write for exposure, I answer: “Perhaps I can find someone just starting out to help you.” #editorchat

[21:17:54] JDEbberly: @fixin2 Thanks for dropping by! Looking forward to seeing you here next Wednesday night! #editorchat

[21:17:55] shortformernie: @milehighfool The reason why the NYT will weather the storm is that they have a R&D department. #editorchat

[21:17:58] milehighfool: @fixin2 Thanks, Paul. Join us again. #editorchat

[21:18:03] jennipps: @fixin2 Sorry you have to go, Paul. Good to see you, though. #editorchat

[21:18:22] shortformernie: @milehighfool The companies cutting everything (Gannett, Tribune) — those are the ones in trouble. #editorchat

[21:18:44] ErikSherman: @milehighfool R&D combined with *real* market research, not simply focus groups. #editorchat

[21:18:46] milehighfool: RT @hotspringer: Q2.When someone asks if I write for exposure, I say: “Perhaps I can find someone just starting out to help you. #editorchat

[21:18:48] wordful: @shortformernie great video here of that concept as Seth Godin interviews Richard Branson on small vs. big http://hex.io/11di #editorchat

[21:19:08] littlebrownpen: Q2. Simply peruse the job listings for writers at craigslist. Start ups want you to build their business out of kindness #editorchat

[21:19:09] LydiaBreakfast: RT @jennipps Q2- “pay” model at today.com is nuts, too. $1/post (max 1 post a day) unless you post everyday, then get dropped #editorchat

[21:19:21] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Q2: Esp insulting when they try to entice u with link to blog. Finally comf w/saying “No TY” to such offers #editorchat

[21:19:29] mariaschneider: A few bloggers who get the free content model: copyblogger, Seth Godin, Chris Brogan. Watch them for ideas. #editorchat

[21:19:31] milehighfool: @shortformernie Agreed. TimesReader is a good example of innovation at work at the NYT. #editorchat

[21:19:55] wordful: @milehighfool I suppose I’m a little harsh on NYT because I’m so far removed from their world. But I certainly respect them lots #editorchat

[21:20:02] jennipps: @hotspringer Actually…I wouldn’t refer someone starting out. Someone gets used to getting work done for free & won’t pay later #editorchat

[21:20:03] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @shortformernie Agreed. TimesReader is a good example of innovation at work at the NYT. #editorchat

[21:20:15] BeckyDMBR: @shortformernie Those companies have been in trouble for years. #editorchat

[21:20:21] milehighfool: @JenniferPerillo Good for you. Your work is more valuable than that. Recipes, especially. That’s unique work that demands pay. #editorchat

[21:20:26] JDEbberly: RT @mariaschneider: A few bloggers who get the free content model: copyblogger, Seth Godin, Chris Brogan. Watch them for ideas. #editorchat

[21:20:35] ErikSherman: @shortformernie NYT may *not* make it – finances too shaky. #editorchat

[21:20:45] jennipps: @littlebrownpen But be careful about scams on Craigslist. A good site for job leads, too, is www.freelancewritinggigs.com. #editorchat

[21:20:55] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo Excellent! We all need to be able to say no to “PIE” (paid in exposure) #editorchat

[21:21:05] fixin2: @JDEbberly @milehighfool Thanks y’all! And good to see you too @jennipps! Time to get @PrincessJadyn ready for bed. Bye! #editorchat

[21:21:32] JDEbberly: http://www.freelancewritinggigs.com (via @jennipps ) #editorchat

[21:21:44] BeckyDMBR: @jennipps Great point. The more who work for free, the harder it is for anyone to earn $. #editorchat

[21:21:45] wordful: @ErikSherman well even it NYT doesn’t make it their people will do very well if they can adapt quickly afterwards #editorchat

[21:21:48] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Sounds like a new slogan to me: Just say NO to PIE. #editorchat

[21:21:48] pontolit: RT @mariaschneider: A few bloggers who get the free content model: copyblogger, Seth Godin, Chris Brogan. Watch them for ideas. #editorchat

[21:21:58] shortformernie: @ErikSherman They’ll figure it out. They have smart people at the water cooler. When you cut back, that’s what goes away. #editorchat

[21:22:00] BetterWriters: What about HuffPost? Is she paying for her content, yet? #editorchat

[21:22:14] GLHancock: Craziest offering: me ghostwrite the book and get a little percentage of royalties. Right! #editorchat

[21:22:15] milehighfool: How about we get a little more radicall. Why shouldn’t a pay-for-play site like WSJ.com also charge for its tweets? #editorchat

[21:22:28] wordful: @BetterWriters I doubt it! #editorchat

[21:22:31] BeckyDMBR: @GLHancock G’night! #editorchat

[21:22:36] jennipps: (Though I say that, but there is one pub I write for free b/c it’s my version of donating to the group.) #editorchat

[21:22:39] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps maybe we need editorchat bumperstickers and buttons with that slogan #editorchat

[21:22:46] littlebrownpen: I’m floored by the paltry pay for articles. I’ve been spoiled by copywriting rates. #editorchat

[21:22:56] shortformernie: @milehighfool Because a single RT will totally ruin their business model #editorchat

[21:22:57] Dark_Faust: RT @jennipps: Q2 – The “pay” model at today.com is nuts, too. $1/post (max 1 post a day)…How many words per post? #editorchat

[21:22:58] milehighfool: @BetterWriters No. In fact, she’s selling internships. Ask @ErikSherman or read my blog for more on that. Crazy. #editorchat

[21:23:03] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast We can get ‘em through Cafe Press. #editorchat

[21:23:09] lauriemeisel: RT @LydiaBreakfast We all need to be able to say no to “PIE” (paid in exposure) #editorchat

[21:23:11] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen legit outfits pay and pay well. #editorchat

[21:23:13] BetterWriters: @JDEbberly Oh boy. I got into quite a discussion on that site the other day re: fair pay for writers. #editorchat

[21:23:37] ErikSherman: @wordful Many don’t have the business bent and not used to the “real” world. #editorchat

[21:23:43] jennipps: @Dark_Faust When I wrote for them, mine averaged out to about 300-ish words per post. #editorchat

[21:23:44] DavisFreeberg: A la carte journalism will nevre work, ad supported content is on thin ice. Subscription/sponsored journalisms is future #editorchat

[21:23:45] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast T-shirts! Coffee mugs! #editorchat

[21:23:46] BetterWriters: @milehighfool OMG! People are paying HER to write? Good grief. #editorchat

[21:23:48] LydiaBreakfast: @BetterWriters It is a hot button here too. #editorchat

[21:24:03] JenniferPerillo: @littlebrownpen I get more annoyed at startups asking for free. At least big guys already have audience to make it worthwhile #editorchat

[21:24:04] wordful: @BetterWriters Just like being fresh out of college #editorchat

[21:24:12] BeckyDMBR: @shortformernie Yeah, then they’ll sue for RTs. #editorchat

[21:24:31] LydiaBreakfast: Related Q3 Editors: are you being asked to explore new and different pay models? #editorchat

[21:24:42] wordful: @ErikSherman Whoops that was meant to go to you Erik: Just like being fresh out of college #editorchat

[21:24:51] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Because tweets should drive demand. I found myself getting over 900 clicks today on an article that way. #editorchat

[21:24:52] JenniferPerillo: RT @BeckyDMBR: @jennipps Great point. The more who work for free, the harder it is for anyone to earn $. #editorchat

[21:24:53] BetterWriters: Part of the conversation revolved around not understanding why it would take more than 15 minutes to write a blog post. #editorchat

[21:25:06] milehighfool: @shortformernie But what if there were rules for the RT? Can’t you build on top of Twitter? StockTwits has. #editorchat

[21:25:34] DavisFreeberg: @JenniferPerillo In an age of internet fragmentation, there’s no such thing as a small audience #editorchat

[21:25:36] GLHancock: Q? Are our tweets covered by copyright? What about when someone RTs my priceless prose? #editorchat

[21:25:38] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Related Q3 Editors: are you being asked to explore new and different pay models? #editorchat

[21:25:44] JDEbberly: RT @JenniferPerillo: RT @BeckyDMBR: @jennipps Great point. The more who work for free, the harder it is for anyone to earn $. #editorchat

[21:25:45] wordful: @LydiaBreakfast Q3: The only person asking about pay models is myself, so my answer is yes, all day every day all the time! #editorchat

[21:25:56] mironovich: RT @shortformernie: The companies cutting everything (Gannett, Tribune) — those are the ones in trouble. #editorchat

[21:25:59] Dark_Faust: @jennipps I still only pay for articles. But maybe I should consider a different model. Still, tech trade is different #editorchat

[21:26:00] JenniferPerillo: Sorry folks, I should’ve mentioned to tune me out for a bit. Doing #editorchat for next 30 mins.

[21:26:32] shortformernie: Q3: I’m always searching for new ways to make money with SFB. And I haven’t found a good one yet, honestly. #editorchat

[21:27:00] AuldHouse: Q3. Community created content. #editorchat

[21:27:04] wordful: @shortformernie You’ll get there, Ernie. We’re in the same boat. #editorchat

[21:27:08] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Good thinking. I use it as a demand engine as well. #editorchat

[21:27:17] SpecialDee: #editorchat Local businesses still need to advertise their products/services. Print still works for advertisers and readers (coupons, sales)

[21:27:19] jennipps: @Dark_Faust I understand paying for articles rather than posts, but that was the (apparently bogus) agreement w/today.com. #editorchat

[21:27:21] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool What value do MSM tweets have when they’re already accused of not “getting” Twitter? #editorchat

[21:27:23] Dark_Faust: @DavisFreeberg I tend to agree. Ads still work for us, but subscrip/sponsored journalism is a big growth area for us. #editorchat

[21:27:35] shortformernie: Q3: I’m actually redesigning my post pages to make them more “sticky” at the moment. #editorchat

[21:28:18] rachelcw: apologies- I’m trapped in the lag zone. I’ll have to catch you all next week. Thanks as always @milehighfool @lydiabreakfast #editorchat

[21:28:20] milehighfool: Q3. Anyone using tipping systems like TipJoy and TwitPay? Can micropayments for content work? #editorchat

[21:28:35] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust Think it has to be subscription. Someone has to pay and online ads don’t pay enough. #editorchat

[21:28:37] LydiaBreakfast: @rachelcw thanks for coming #editorchat

[21:28:44] SpecialDee: #editorchat It’s not a definite that Kindle will be the next big tool; look what happened to the floppy, then the zip, then the CD, etc.

[21:28:45] milehighfool: @rachelcw Thanks, Rachel. #editorchat

[21:28:59] kgh23: Hello. Dental editor here. Hoping to pick some of your brains, learn, and share some knowledge. #editorchat

[21:29:07] GLHancock: @milehighfool I tried the Amazon thingie at first. No one contributed, though they do buy eBooks. #editorchat

[21:29:23] JDEbberly: @rachelcw Thanks for stopping by! See you again next week. Have a wonderful week! #editorchat

[21:29:23] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman agreed – online ads are not the revenue generators that they were originally thought to be #editorchat

[21:29:39] BeckyDMBR: @rachelcw G’night! #editorchat

[21:29:40] wordful: Seemingly viable revenue models in web publishing: subscriptions, premium content, ebooks, affiliate marketing, freelancing. #editorchat

[21:29:49] wordful: Ads are less effective #editorchat

[21:29:54] milehighfool: @Dark_Faust That’s good to hear. it shows you have engaged readers. #editorchat

[21:29:58] shortformernie: @milehighfool It feels like there should be another layer between my readers and how they pay me. #editorchat

[21:30:15] KatPowers: is anyone out there slowly ratcheting up rates for online ads? #editorchat

[21:30:30] milehighfool: @kgh23 Welcome. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[21:30:40] LydiaBreakfast: @kgh23 hello, you’ll find a wealth of info at our blog editorchat.wordpress.com which has all transcripts from previous chats #editorchat

[21:30:41] BetterWriters: @wordful you think freelancing is still viable for a full time income? #editorchat

[21:30:42] Dark_Faust: @jennipps I understand. We all make the best deals we can at the time. I’ve heard of worst ones. #editorchat

[21:30:47] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @Dark_Faust That’s good to hear. it shows you have engaged readers. #editorchat

[21:30:57] bacigalupe: @milehighfool @lydiabreakfast #editorchat same here, wow a lot of ideas as always, have to go thanks !

[21:30:57] wordful: RT @shortformernie It feels like there should be another layer between my readers and how they pay me. #editorchat

[21:30:58] milehighfool: @shortformernie Why? if there isn’t an extra later, you know precisly what your readers value about you. #editorchat

[21:31:11] jeffhora: @AuldHouse ?? What about community created content ?? #editorchat

[21:31:14] GLHancock: @KatPowers I would, if I could lure someone to advert again. Once had a single ad that paid for ALL my online expenses… #editorchat

[21:31:29] ErikSherman: @LydiaBreakfast That’s because unlimited supply of ads and too many people wanting to sell. #editorchat

[21:31:29] milehighfool: @bacigalupe Thank you. Glad you could stop by. #editorchat

[21:31:30] wordful: @BetterWriters yes, if you have an established brand and high traffic/visibility. Same with consulting. But the brand must exist #editorchat

[21:31:32] SpecialDee: #editorchat the NIE program is sponsored by businesses aka advertisers

[21:31:34] LydiaBreakfast: @BetterWriters many of us (including @milehighfool and yours truly) are supporting ourselves freelancing #editorchat

[21:31:41] jennipps: @Dark_Faust I got out of that one as soon as they dropped my blog from the pay per post program. I can use the info/posts myself #editorchat

[21:31:52] SpecialDee: #editorchat NIE = News in Education

[21:32:12] jeremymeyers: @mariaschneider godin has the advantage of being godin and therefore able to give stuff away like that. The Radiohead model. #editorchat

[21:32:12] shortformernie: @milehighfool Weird ethical reasons. What if someone throws a $20 in there with the idea I might play up their product? #editorchat

[21:32:14] ErikSherman: @BetterWriters I support my entire family as a freelance writer, so know it’s possible. #editorchat

[21:32:26] hotspringer: RT @wordful Seemingly viable revenue models in web publishing: sub’s, premium content, ebooks, affiliate marketing, freelancing #editorchat

[21:32:27] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Which, again, argues vigorously for direct engagement and subscriptions. #editorchat

[21:32:38] JDEbberly: RT @ErikSherman: @BetterWriters I support my entire family as a freelance writer, so know it’s possible. #editorchat

[21:32:44] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @ErikSherman Which, again, argues vigorously for direct engagement and subscriptions. #editorchat

[21:32:47] jennipps: @BetterWriters Going by the plan I have in place (& have been following a while) I expect to be able to go FT this time next yr. #editorchat

[21:32:54] marciamarcia: @shortformernie Trouble w/ making sites more sticky is that many people seek something then want to apply it or get on w/ life. #editorchat

[21:32:58] milehighfool: Related Q3: Name one thing you’re doing to drive revenue you weren’t doing six monrhs ago. Something that pays. #editorchat

[21:33:01] anndouglas: @BetterWriters I’m a full-time writer (self-employed). I make a good living (although income down this yr). #editorchat

[21:33:04] LydiaBreakfast: Anyone else want to weigh in on Q3 Editors: are you being asked to explore new and different pay models? #editorchat

[21:33:09] miamicheap: Teresa Mears, newspaper editor turned web publisher/consultant #editorchat

[21:33:22] littlebrownpen: I freelance full-time, but with many long-time clients. It’s tough to connect with new editors, even with experience. #editorchat

[21:33:36] miamicheap: Community created content requires MORE editors @jeffhora @AuldHouse What about community created content ?? #editorchat

[21:33:37] JDEbberly: @Dark_Faust Have a great night and an even better week! See you next Wednesday night! #editorchat

[21:33:51] Dark_Faust: @ErikSherman Online ads are thinning out. Subscrip doesn’t work for us – engineer are cheap. Sponsorships working well. #editorchat

[21:33:57] shortformernie: @marciamarcia I know. But my site, they come from CNN or from Reddit and leave. I want them to stay for a minute or three. #editorchat

[21:34:06] LydiaBreakfast: @miamicheap Hey Teresa, thanks for joining #editorchat

[21:34:24] BeckyDMBR: @bacigalupe G’night! #editorchat

[21:34:32] connectingwomen: when does editorchat end? #editorchat

[21:34:33] BetterWriters: @ErikSherman Maybe we could talk sometime. I could use some advice. #editorchat

[21:34:37] milehighfool: @shortformernie If you’ve made the rules clear, why should it matter? Antiseptic disclosure is a great elixir. #editorchat

[21:34:39] kgh23: Community created content is something we’re just starting to explore and I have a feeling it will change a lot of our ways #editorchat

[21:34:57] mariaschneider: @JeremyMeyers True, but it’s important to note that revenue isn’t coming from the blog itself but what springs from the blog. #editorchat

[21:35:05] anndouglas: I do worry about making a living from e-books via traditional publishers, however. #editorchat

[21:35:05] milehighfool: @CathyWebSavvyPR Interesting. And is it bringing in real revenue or just a trickle? #editorchat

[21:35:07] LydiaBreakfast: @connectingwomen 10pm EST #editorchat

[21:35:09] shortformernie: @milehighfool Touché. Maybe I’ll reconsider. #editorchat

[21:35:11] bacigalupe: RT @SpecialDee #editorchat It’s not a definite Kindle will be the next big tool; look what happened to floppy, then zip, then CD, etc.

[21:35:16] Dark_Faust: @milehighfool #editorchat Sponsorships, surveys and more SM (tho hard to measure the later).

[21:35:40] anndouglas: Something there has to shift. In the meantime, I’m diversifying + rewriting my business plan. #editorchat

[21:35:42] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust True – and you have a specialized audience that some want to reach. #editorchat

[21:35:50] lauriemeisel: @Dark_Faust Sponsorships give us more bang as well. #editorchat

[21:35:59] milehighfool: @BetterWriters Feel free to contact either Lydia or I as well. This forum is open and we’re happy to help. #editorchat

[21:36:17] shortformernie: @milehighfool I acutally get people wanting to help me with the site (though I’m very picky). Maybe the tip jar’s the way to go. #editorchat

[21:36:20] connectingwomen: @LydiaBreakfast Oh ok, thanks. #editorchat

[21:36:31] ErikSherman: I have to head off. Thanks for the chat. #editorchat

[21:36:44] BetterWriters: @anndouglas Diversifying in what way? #editorchat

[21:36:50] milehighfool: @mariaschneider As in assignments, speaking engagements, etc.? #editorchat

[21:36:59] JenniferPerillo: @milehighfool Q3: Using my SM experience to do SM consulting. Doing it right now for Cuisinart. I target food-related SM work. #editorchat

[21:37:00] jennipps: @ErikSherman Good to see you, Erik. #editorchat

[21:37:05] JDEbberly: @ErikSherman Thanks for coming over, Erik! See you next Editorchat! #editorchat

[21:37:06] KatPowers: The last time we had to invent the business– when the printing press was invented, who got paid not to print, but to write? #editorchat

[21:37:10] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Thanks for coming Erik #editorchat

[21:37:17] DavisFreeberg: Community content is great 4 established sites, but doesn’t it hurt journalists in long run? #editorchat

[21:37:17] milehighfool: @shortformernie I’m using it at the end of each post. No tips yet #editorchat

[21:37:34] anndouglas: REVENUE 4 WRITERS: RT @ErikSherman Online ads thinning out. Subscriptions doesn’t work for us…. Sponsorships working well. #editorchat

[21:37:43] wordful: @ErikSherman Thanks Erik, a pleasure chatting with you. #editorchat

[21:37:55] milehighfool: @JenniferPerillo Terrific idea. Extending your brand in food wriitng, as it were. #editorchat

[21:38:03] JenniferPerillo: @littlebrownpen Face to face time really makes a difference. Met a new editor at conference in CHI and got a job a month later. #editorchat

[21:38:27] connectingwomen: How should one approach sponsors? #editorchat

[21:38:32] jennipps: @milehighfool How long have you had it in place? I’ve heard it takes at least a couple months before people really take notice. #editorchat

[21:38:34] jeremymeyers: @mariaschneider i’m sayin he can get traction giving away his books because he’s a known entity. i could do that and get nothin. #editorchat

[21:38:34] marciamarcia: @shortformernie So maybe sticky isn’t the goal, rather showing value fast. #editorchat

[21:38:38] wordful: @JenniferPerillo That’s awesome! How to U quantify the value of SM to them? That seems to be the real challenge w/SM consulting #editorchat

[21:38:49] shortformernie: @milehighfool Maybe it’s all about placement. #editorchat

[21:38:52] GLHancock: What kind of sponsorship would work for a freelance editor, do you think? #editorchat

[21:39:02] miamicheap: @DavisFreeberg how much good community content is there likely to be? #editorchat

[21:39:05] AuldHouse: Q3. Also exploring partnering–like I have relationship with magazine to take their content to book channel. #editorchat

[21:39:06] milehighfool: @ivey Hi Michael. Welcome to editorchat. You’re the CEO of TwitPay, are media outlets using your software? #editorchat

[21:39:09] merylkevans: @JenniferPerillo I think I do better without face time — online puts everyone on equal footing. No prejudices. #editorchat

[21:39:14] littlebrownpen: @JenniferPerillo You are right. I know this, yet, here I am on the couch. #editorchat

[21:39:25] Dark_Faust: @connectingwomen #editorchat never ends. It’s a zen sort of thing. ” riverrun, past Eve and Adam’s, from…”

[21:39:27] BeckyDMBR: @ErikSherman G’night! #editorchat

[21:39:31] milehighfool: @jennipps Only a week. Very new tool at the site. #editorchat

[21:39:47] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Thanks, Erik. See you again. #editorchat

[21:40:11] JOHNABYRNE: Why can’t other media brands emulate the success of the hybrid pay models of the WSJ, Barrons’ or ESPN? #editorchat

[21:40:15] JenniferPerillo: @anndouglas Diversity is key. Goes hand in hand with adaptability. #editorchat

[21:40:25] jennipps: @milehighfool I didn’t think I’d seen it before. (I’m bad. I check in about once a week.) #editorchat

[21:40:38] marciamarcia: I help people extend their brand & capacity to learning (teach too) thru SoMe so they can drive revenue to primary biz. RQ3 #editorchat

[21:40:51] jennipps: RT @JenniferPerillo @anndouglas Diversity is key. Goes hand in hand with adaptability. #editorchat

[21:40:55] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Why can’t other media brands emulate the success of the hybrid pay models of the WSJ, Barrons’ or ESPN? #editorchat

[21:41:00] Dark_Faust: @AuldHouse I’ve been doing that in some of my pubs – typically from Elsevier. Benefits both book and print/online pubs. #editorchat

[21:41:11] wordful: @jennipps @milehighfool Which tool are you discussing? #editorchat

[21:41:11] LydiaBreakfast: Right-o rt @JOHNABYRNE Why can’t other media brands emulate the success of the hybrid pay models of the WSJ, Barrons’ or ESPN? #editorchat

[21:41:21] connectingwomen: RT @JenniferPerillo @anndouglas Diversity is key. Goes hand in hand with adaptability. #editorchat

[21:41:30] jennipps: @wordful TipJoy #editorchat

[21:41:34] mariaschneider: @milehighfool Yes, book deals, assignments, consulting, e-book sales, there’s much to explore but it takes diligence. #editorchat

[21:41:52] milehighfool: @wordful TipJoy. tipjoy.com I believe. #editorchat

[21:41:59] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Welcome John and agreed. Isn’t part of the problem for most pubs that they haven;t asked readers to engage? #editorchat

[21:42:04] anndouglas: @BetterWriters More workshops/training, consulting in certain fields of communications, products, speaking etc #editorchat

[21:42:04] wordful: @jennipps Thanks, I’ll look it up #editorchat

[21:42:06] Dark_Faust: @JDEbberly Sucess? Most of them are just running their print content online (or vice versa). That’s not a good model. #editorchat

[21:42:10] shortformernie: http://twitpic.com/639u1 – Regarding “sticky,” I’m redesigning my single pages to center around this. #editorchat

[21:42:18] merylkevans: @JOHNABYRNE But how many have the brand power to do the same as them? #editorchat

[21:42:19] ivey: @milehighfool Not yet. We can support micropayment models, but have been focused on person to person payments and content sales. #editorchat

[21:42:37] SpecialDee: #editorchat Think about how we use technology and how it adapts to our needs: video tapes to dvds to tivo to internet-based tv, etc

[21:42:39] DavisFreeberg: @miamicheap 50% of what I read is from non-journalists. Regardless of quality how do u build a bus model when community is free? #editorchat

[21:42:52] marciamarcia: @JOHNABYRNE I come back to culture & expectations. Those are brands about money itself. Could argue even ESPN. #editorchat

[21:43:15] GLHancock: Most readers don’t want to engage unless they know for whom they will be preening. #editorchat

[21:43:22] milehighfool: @ivey The PayPal model, in other words. Have you been approached by media to implement? #editorchat

[21:43:29] shortformernie: To explain, I’m trying to add simple navigation that convinces you to look beyond the post and focuses the content. #editorchat

[21:44:08] mathewi: @JohnAByrne: That’s a bit like asking why all actresses can’t be Kate Winslet, or why all golfers can’t be Tiger Woods #editorchat

[21:44:08] shortformernie: And it also leaves a natural spot for advertising. Every fourth click, show an ad. #editorchat

[21:44:11] milehighfool: @DavisFreeberg Community isn’t always free. You’ve been at the Fool — you know that some services come with a premium. #editorchat

[21:44:19] miamicheap: @DavisFreeberg is there good comm writing on many subjects or just a few? free does make biz model a puzzle. #editorchat

[21:44:28] LydiaBreakfast: @DavisFreeberg if community provides value, + someone is aggregating the content, then pay for certain content is not important #editorchat

[21:44:32] KatPowers: This is why you build a community RT @GLHancock readers don’t want to engage unless they know for whom they will be preening #editorchat

[21:44:52] wordful: @shortformernie Maybe you could set up a premium stream and limit your free stuff. #editorchat

[21:44:55] milehighfool: @shortformernie Smart. Get the reader to click deeper into the site. #editorchat

[21:44:59] connectingwomen: @KatPowers How do you build a community? #editorchat

[21:44:59] GLHancock: @shortformernie You mean internal links? Good, good. #editorchat

[21:45:22] milehighfool: I love how we’re going — let’s finish strong. 10 minutes till reintros and a link. #editorchat

[21:45:40] BetterWriters: @miamicheap what is “comm”? Communication? Commerce? Commission? #editorchat

[21:45:41] JenniferPerillo: @Wordful It can be a tough sell, so I start out with a trial period (paid of course) to ease commitment issues. #editorchat

[21:45:44] ivey: @milehighfool We haven’t been approached by media in the sense you mean, with tipping/micropayments for online media. #editorchat

[21:45:45] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: I love how we’re going — let’s finish strong. 10 minutes till reintros and a link. #editorchat

[21:45:59] JOHNABYRNE: Not many have the brand power of the WSJ. But I bet 90% of their content can be gotten for free–Reuters, Bloomberg, et al. #editorchat

[21:46:03] miamicheap: Remember CompuServe? But it wasn’t free. @connectingwomen @KatPowers How do you build a community? #editorchat

[21:46:13] GLHancock: And always list related posts with links to them. Do as I say, not as I fail to do. #editorchat

[21:46:15] shortformernie: Hundreds of thousands of people pay $10 for the right to post on the Something Awful Forums. #editorchat

[21:46:45] merylkevans: Why would anyone want to pay (for those not as big as WSJ) when they can get content elsewhere? Too many choices. #editorchat

[21:46:50] KatPowers: @connectingwomen Building a community takes time; constantly soliciting readers; sometimes making them write for PIE #editorchat

[21:46:51] shortformernie: Thounsands pay $5 a month to post on TotalFark despite the fact that Digg offers the same thing for essentially free. #editorchat

[21:46:59] milehighfool: @mathewi Disagree. Yes, the hybrid model isn’t well tested but what’s to stop publishers from testing? #editorchat

[21:47:00] merylkevans: @miamicheap I do — and I never subscribed to it. The other BBSes were enough for me. #editorchat

[21:47:07] connectingwomen: @miamicheap Unfortunately, I don’t remember CompuServe. #editorchat

[21:47:11] shortformernie: People will pay for community if the community presents value. #editorchat

[21:47:12] miamicheap: community, as in community-provided news @BetterWriters what is “comm”? Communication? Commerce? Commission? #editorchat

[21:47:25] connectingwomen: @KatPowers What do you mean PIE? #editorchat

[21:47:25] JOHNABYRNE: @mathewi Kate Winslet as WSJ; Tiger as ESPN! If you have something that isn’t entirely a commodity, you can get some rev for it. #editorchat

[21:47:26] wordful: @JenniferPerillo sure, I agree. I’m also assuming @shortformernie has some respectable/loyal traffic #editorchat

[21:47:45] DavisFreeberg: @milehighfool Fool is great example, they charge, but use free posts 4 trafic. Goes back 2 ? of isn’t this bad for journalists? #editorchat

[21:47:55] connectingwomen: RT @shortformernie People will pay for community if the community presents value. #editorchat #editorchat

[21:47:56] JDEbberly: RT @shortformernie: People will pay for community if the community presents value. (Agreed!) #editorchat

[21:48:05] GLHancock: A community of strangers has no value. #editorchat

[21:48:08] jennipps: @connectingwomen PIE = Pay in Exposure. #editorchat

[21:48:37] SpecialDee: #editorchat Does anyone remember when newspapers switched from linotype to computers? Miami Herald peeps weren’t happy http://bit.ly/XMNpx

[21:48:38] connectingwomen: @GLHancock That is why building relationships strengthen community. #editorchat

[21:48:38] littlebrownpen: @shortformernie I pay to be a part of certain communities because I value the collective contributions. #editorchat

[21:48:40] JOHNABYRNE: Current thinking in media is that 10% of your uniques will pay for a fee. You’ll lose traffic for a hybrid model but not much. #editorchat

[21:48:49] JDEbberly: @connectingwomen Paid In Exposure, I believe #editorchat

[21:48:50] miamicheap: CompuServe great at creating community in forums, which were for-profit but people contributed for free. all used real names #editorchat

[21:48:57] KatPowers: @connectingwomen goodness, tweetchat is slow tonight! #editorchat

[21:48:58] connectingwomen: @jennipps Oh ok! Good to know what it stood for. #editorchat

[21:48:58] milehighfool: @DavisFreeberg I don’t see how. Perhaps I’m naive but I don’t believe cultures of experimentation are pervasive in publishing. #editorchat

[21:49:06] shortformernie: @wordful I do, but it’s still budding. And due to fitting SFB around a job, I’m having a hard enough time creating free content. #editorchat

[21:49:17] connectingwomen: @JDEbberly Thanks! #editorchat

[21:49:17] wordful: @shortformernie Yes, you could set up a paid community forum #editorchat

[21:49:22] Dark_Faust: #editorchat. Twitter is too slow to be useful right now. I’m going back to writing. Hope everyone has a good evening. Nite

[21:49:28] connectingwomen: @KatPowers I know it is slow! #editorchat

[21:49:37] miamicheap: Exactly @littlebrownpen @shortformernie I pay to be a part of certain communities because I value the collective contributions. #editorchat

[21:49:43] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE But the revenue gain more than compensates, yes? This is part of the struggle the NYT is facing. #editorchat

[21:49:51] wordful: @shortformernie yes, this game takes hustle!!! @garyvee #editorchat

[21:49:52] GLHancock: Isn’t that what The Well is, paid communities? #editorchat

[21:49:56] JOHNABYRNE: The NYT can and will have to go to a hybrid model or it will have to become an endowed non-profit. #editorchat

[21:50:18] lauriemeisel: Building community is an art. RT @connectingwomen @shortformernie People will pay for community if the community presents value. #editorchat

[21:50:29] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: The NYT can and will have to go to a hybrid model or it will have to become an endowed non-profit. #editorchat

[21:50:47] KatPowers: whoa! RT @JOHNABYRNE The NYT can and will have to go to a hybrid model or it will have to become an endowed non-profit. #editorchat

[21:50:59] connectingwomen: Love it! RT @lauriemeisel Building community is an art. #editorchat

[21:51:09] BeckyDMBR: @Dark_Faust G’night! #editorchat

[21:51:23] JOHNABYRNE: Pretty much everyone can afford to give up a good chunk of traffic because there’s unsold inventory out there. #editorchat

[21:51:24] Billyjensen: The NYT can and will have to go to a hybrid model or it will have to become an endowed non-profit. #editorchat (via @JohnAByrne)

[21:51:30] marciamarcia: Back to Gates’ line: Services could=platform, tools, venue, the ppl you want to meet thru community, hitouch service… #editorchat

[21:51:38] KatPowers: damn straight! RT @lauriemeisel Building community is an art. #editorchat

[21:51:48] LydiaBreakfast: How do we feel about endowed non-profits? Related to the sponsorships idea of revenue generation? #editorchat

[21:52:00] milehighfool: @mathewi No question. Equally, I’m not suggesting publishers throw the hybrid Hail Mary — but a buttonhook pass would be nice. #editorchat

[21:52:02] merylkevans: @JenniferPerillo That’s where having a niche can make a difference — you get to know everyone. #editorchat

[21:52:06] JDEbberly: RT @KatPowers: damn straight! RT @lauriemeisel Building community is an art. #editorchat

[21:52:07] EBatson: RT @mariaschneider: A few bloggers who get the free content model: copyblogger, Seth Godin, Chris Brogan. Watch them for ideas. #editorchat

[21:52:08] miamicheap: @SpecialDee I think the Miami Herald is still using those original computers #editorchat

[21:52:13] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Pretty much everyone can afford to give up a good chunk of traffic because there’s unsold inventory out there. #editorchat

[21:52:19] EBatson: RT @mariaschneider: The free content model only works if you have a viable product or service to sell alongside. #editorchat. #editorchat

[21:52:27] DavisFreeberg: r/t @shortformernie 1000′s pay $5 a month to post TotalFark despite fact that Digg offers the same thing for essentially free. #editorchat

[21:52:45] JOHNABYRNE: @mathewi Agree. Free is here to stay. But hybrid and time-release models can bring in significant high-margin revenue for some. #editorchat

[21:53:07] AuldHouse: @LydiaBreakfast I think it will be easier to have endowed nonprofs then a single writer trying to raise money on their own. #editorchat

[21:53:33] mathewi: @JohnAByrne: 10% of your uniques might pay a fee, but for what? a pay wall isn’t a panacea – know what you’re charging 4 and why #editorchat

[21:53:37] BeckyDMBR: @miamicheap LOL! #editorchat

[21:53:45] Dark_Faust: @EBatson Free or paid for somewhere else, as in print. #editorchat

[21:54:38] SpecialDee: #editorchat Look how inexpensive it is for a business 2 sponsor papers for NIE: $28.50 for 150 papers. http://is.gd/HKhS

[21:54:53] AuldHouse: RT @JOHNABYRNE…Free is here to stay. But hybrid and time-release models can bring in significant high-margin revenue for some. #editorchat

[21:54:56] BeckyDMBR: @AuldHouse Good point about raising money. There’s a reason for editorial / advertising split. #editorchat

[21:55:16] SpecialDee: Too funny! RT @miamicheap: @SpecialDee I think the Miami Herald is still using those original computers #editorchat

[21:55:19] monicagagnier: @SpecialDee Most papers switched from TTS Electrosets or linotypes (if they still had them) in the mid-70s #editorchat

[21:55:30] JOHNABYRNE: @milehighfool Yes. I bet over a third of the ad inventory at the NYT is unsold. So it can lose ad capacity for subscriber rev. #editorchat

[21:55:52] anndouglas: Tried a rev-share model with one client. So many factors beyond quality of writing come into play. #editorchat

[21:56:34] hotspringer: From @BentleyGTCSpeed 3-pt market plan: What is your value? Who can pay? How to reach them? Comm’y on front end; $ on back end. #editorchat

[21:56:37] DavisFreeberg: R/T @anndouglas: Tried a rev-share model with one client. So many factors beyond quality of writing come into play. #editorchat

[21:56:42] GLHancock: @anndouglas Yes! That’s why I just hooted the ghostwriting offer off the phone. #editorchat

[21:56:53] milehighfool: Five minutes to go, folks. Time to reintroduce yourself and post a link if you’d like. #editorchat

[21:57:10] K_M_Anderson: @SpecialDee #editorchat NIE has been wonderful as we’ve revived the journalism prog @ my hs! 25 daily copies –> students see how it’s done!

[21:57:23] anndouglas: If pages aren’t optimized, search isn’t working properly, or there are other tech glitches, writer loses $. #editorchat

[21:57:39] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Five minutes to go, folks. Time to reintroduce yourself and post a link if you’d like. #editorchat

[21:57:59] connectingwomen: Intro: Faten of Connecting Women Radio, accept press releases and pitches for blogs http://www.blogtalkradio.com/connectingwomen #editorchat

[21:58:05] wordful: Charles Bohannan of http://wordful.com. Blogger, writer, editor, family man. I live and surf in Hawaii. Aloha #editorchat

[21:58:08] JOHNABYRNE: @mathewi Best hybirds are the WSJ and ESPN. Best time-release model is Barrons’. Original, specialized content is key. #editorchat

[21:58:22] anndouglas: @GLHancock Very true for both online and offline projects. Writers have to be aware of risk factors. #editorchat

[21:58:42] shortformernie: Ernie Smith, editor @ ShortFormBlog.com and designer at The Washington Post’s Express. I can also beat you at arm wrestling. #editorchat

[21:58:56] KatPowers: I am a local, local, local princess at a site just outside Boston http://www.wickedlocal.com/somerville #editorchat

[21:59:08] jennipps: Jen Nipps, fl writer in Oklahoma specializing in writing, creativity, plus-size issues, & health. http://www.jenifernipps.com #editorchat

[21:59:13] GLHancock: Georganna blogs at A Writer’s Edge, http://www.writers-edge/Blog.html and diddles with websites at HancockWebsites.com #editorchat

[21:59:15] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Those are all great but I’m sure you won’t mind if I throw The Motley Fool into that list #editorchat

[21:59:20] shortformernie: Actually, not really. I have no muscle in my arms. #editorchat

[21:59:23] K_M_Anderson: @SpecialDee #editorchat how else to instill newspaper reading habit in our studs? & joys of print on paper (still cool in an online world)

[21:59:29] mathewi: @JohnAByrne: yes, sorry — I meant examples other than the WSJ, ESPN or the Economist #editorchat

[21:59:34] lauriemeisel: RT @JOHNABYRNE Best hybirds are the WSJ and ESPN. Best time-release model is Barrons’. Original, specialized content is key. #editorchat

[21:59:35] hotspringer: Rebecca McCormick, freelance travel and feature writer. http://tinyurl.com/hotspringer #editorchat

[21:59:53] anndouglas: Ann Douglas http://anndouglas.typepad.com/blogs/ For writers: @bookpubs @litmags @writers2follow #editorchat

[21:59:58] milehighfool: @shortformernie Lookimg forward to hearing from you, Ernie. Thanks for joining us tonight. #editorchat

[22:00:08] BetterWriters: I’m a little overwhelmed, but my first time here. Fascinating conversation. Freelance biz writer http://beabetterwriternow.com #editorchat

[22:00:08] AuldHouse: Have a good night and check out my bio at… http://bit.ly/1wJlHu. #editorchat

[22:00:09] SpecialDee: Special Sections editor at Maine paper, in the Advertising dept #editorchat Thanks! http://specialdee.wordpress.com

[22:00:32] BeckyDMBR: Becky, freelance journalist in Iow-ay … online and in print. #editorchat

[22:00:38] JDEbberly: JD Ebberly, writer in N VA. You’ll Learn MUCH about writers & editors here at Editorchat http://editorchat.wordpress.com/ #editorchat

[22:00:57] milehighfool: @anndouglas Thanks, as always, for your generous contrbutions, Ann. #editorchat

[22:00:59] JOHNABYRNE: @mathewi More specialized examples in trade pubs, born-to-the-web enterprises like TheStreet.com & Motley Fool in my category. #editorchat

[22:01:04] littlebrownpen: Nichole Robertson, freelance writer, blogger: http://littlebrownpen.blogspot.com/ #editorchat

[22:01:07] JenniferPerillo: Great talk tnite Hope to see you all at http://www.InJenniesKitchen.com. BTW: 2 hrs left in my Bobby Flay cookbook giveaway. #editorchat

[22:01:18] shortformernie: @milehighfool Totally. Can’t wait to work with you on something. #editorchat

[22:01:50] kgh23: Kevin Henry of PennWell’s dental division. Community manager and editor. See you all online soon … http://bit.ly/LaKBJ #editorchat

[22:02:07] JDEbberly: THANK YOU very much @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast @JOHNABYRNE and everyone here tonight for another informative chat! #editorchat

[22:02:12] jennipps: It’s been a great chat, everyone. Now I need to get to a couple devotions and a blog post planned for tonight. #editorchat

[22:02:14] hotspringer: Thanks to our gracious hosts, @lydiabreakfast and @milehighfool. #editorchat

[22:02:26] LydiaBreakfast: Tweeps, I thank you all for coming, stay as long as you like. I am your co-host Lydia Dishman, freelance features writer. #editorchat

[22:02:43] jennipps: Thanks to @milehighfool & @LydiaBreakfast for another great job of herding cats. #editorchat

[22:03:05] SpecialDee: @K_M_Anderson #editorchat We had our banquet tonite for students who write in our Academic Advocate; very successful program.

[22:03:11] marciamarcia: Thanks for another great education on #editorchat. http://marciaconner.com, writer w/ FastCo+. Welcome editing & consult opps on biz themes.

[22:03:32] wordful: This chat gets better and better every week! Thanks @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat

[22:03:32] lauriemeisel: Laurie Meisel, web producer McGraw-Hill’s Architectural Record http://bit.ly/Acuy3 #editorchat

[22:03:34] GLHancock: Is someone here from the Miami Herald? #editorchat

[22:03:44] miamicheap: Yes, thanks to @lydiabreakfast and @milehighfool. It’s great to meet all of you. 16 years online, this is my first “chat.” #editorchat

[22:04:16] milehighfool: Great chat tonight. Thanks to all who stopped by. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, blogging at http://timbeyers.com #editorchat

[22:04:33] BeckyDMBR: @jennipps Meow! #editorchat

[22:04:37] lauriemeisel: Thanks @milehighfool & @LydiaBreakfast for another enlightening chat. #editorchat

[22:04:43] K_M_Anderson: @SpecialDee #editorchat a program for hs students?

[22:04:59] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast Thanks again for a great #editorchat!

[22:05:18] CEngeron: Interested in the #editorchat thread I just stumbled upon, but not quite sure what it is yet. Perhaps moderator @milehighfool has info?

[22:05:22] dbenk: @JohnAByrne 10 percent of uniques seems awfully high. In my experience it’s about 1-3% who’ll pay. #editorchat

[22:05:30] GLHancock: Oh, hai! @miamicheap Old bureau second banana here. Lets talk sometime! Email me? #editorchat

[22:06:05] BeckyDMBR: @GLHancock Not sure if she’s at the Herald, but @miamicheap is in Miami. #editorchat

[22:06:05] anndouglas: @littlebrownpen Ditto. Your comment reminded me I should be pitching articles to the editors of my fave communities. #editorchat

[22:06:29] LydiaBreakfast: @CEngeron check out editorchat.wordpress.com for all the info and transcripts of our chats #editorchat

[22:07:01] KatPowers: Thank you @milehighfool Congrants @LydiaBreakfast on your recent gig #editorchat

[22:07:10] JDEbberly: @CEngeron You can read more about Editorchat here: http://editorchat.wordpress.com/ #editorchat

[22:07:22] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers thanks! #editorchat

[22:07:55] GLHancock: Thank you, mods. Great job well done! #editorchat

[22:08:17] LydiaBreakfast: Remember if you missed anything you can always check out http://editorchat.wordpress.com and drop us a comment/continue to chat #editorchat

[22:09:47] JenniferPerillo: Yes, thanks to @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool! #editorchat

[22:09:51] LydiaBreakfast: See you all next week, same twitter time, same twitter channel 8:30-10pm EST #editorchat

Perhaps the answer isn’t to invest more but to invest smarter. We’re seeing clever publishers return to the days of Dickens with serial books and e-books. We’ve seen TwitPay and TipJoy emerge as models for micropayments via Twitter. These and more have the potential to lead a radical revolution in pay models. What are you trying? Specifically, we are wondering:

• Writers: are publishers plying you with new pay ideas? What’s the craziest pay model you’ve tried?
• Editors: are you being asked to explore new and different pay models?
• What models are working? Which aren’t? What are the roadblocks to success?

[20:31:05] milehighfool: And we’re live. Please introduce yourself when you join. #editorchat

[20:31:09] GLHancock: @milehighfool Thanks. How are you tonight? This week? #editorchat

[20:31:49] jennipps: @milehighfool Hey, Tim! Good to see you. BTW…to you & @LydiaBreakfast…just turned in an article to a newsletter featuring #editorchat

[20:31:56] JaneFriedman: Hi everyone – Jane Friedman, Publisher/Editorial Director of Writer’s Digest (F+W Media) #editorchat

[20:32:12] milehighfool: @GLHancock Super busy. Not regretting the blogathon but, wow, it’s tough to add that to my regular writing schedule. You? #editorchat

[20:32:41] jennipps: Hi, all! Jen, fl writer in south Oklahoma writing about health, writing, creativity, plus-size issues, & everything in between. #editorchat

[20:32:42] JMegonigal: Jordana Megonigal, editor in chief for Upstate S.C. business publication (and soon others?) And I’m a GEN-X #editorchat

[20:32:56] ptsaldari: Hello from p.tsaldari #editorchat

[20:33:00] milehighfool: @jennipps Wow. I’m truly flattered, Jen. Thanks for thinking of us. #editorchat

[20:33:06] shortformernie: Howdy! Ernie Smith, Editor of super-awesome tightly edited news site ShortFormBlog: http://shortformblog.com/ #editorchat

[20:33:09] GLHancock: @milehighfool What blogathon or do you mean here and now? #editorchat

[20:33:11] booksandcorsets: Hi all, I’m an editor w/Sterling Publishing, working on branded books and the Hearst magazine lines #editorchat

[20:33:15] LydiaBreakfast: I am your co-host Lydia Dishman, freelance features writer covering business, food, travel and style for a pile o’ mags #editorchat

[20:33:16] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Hey! Checking in from Iow-ay, Land of Windy. #editorchat

[20:33:27] milehighfool: @JaneFriedman Glad you could make it, Jane. #editorchat

[20:33:44] jennipps: @milehighfool But of course! After it’s in print, I have OK from the editor to post it online. I’ll let you know when it’s up #editorchat

[20:33:44] shortformernie: But when I’m at work, I totally work at The Washington Post’s Express as a designer and visual editor duder. #editorchat

[20:33:47] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Hey Yay! #editorchat

[20:34:06] LydiaBreakfast: @booksandcorsets Fabulous thanks for coming! #editorchat

[20:34:07] dan_miranda: Hello everyone tweeting from a new account to make sure I don’t disturb anyone. You may know me as @timecommander #editorchat

[20:34:38] milehighfool: Your other co-host here. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, blogging at Quicken.com, writing daily. #editorchat

[20:34:40] GLHancock: Georganna, writer/editor/websites for writers; published since 1964; Luddite in electronic clothing. (not really the last one) #editorchat

[20:34:48] hinder: Hi. All. Katie HInderer – editor for teen mag, hip hop mag, and commercial real estate publication. Freelance writer too. #editorchat

[20:35:18] JenniferPerillo: Hi All. Jennifer Perillo, consulting food editor at Working Mother & freelance food writer/recipe developer. #editorchat

[20:35:23] PDXsays: lurking:at .@AboutUs hosting NTEN PDXTech Club: Online Story Telling by Roger Burks, Sr Writer, Mercy Corps. #Editorchat

[20:35:34] marciamarcia: Freelance writer w/ FastCo+, educator, editor, learner, mom, SoMe enthusiast. Thrilled to have a short break to join in on #editorchat

[20:35:35] merylkevans: Content Maven from Plano, TX who writes, edits and plays with words plus a little gamin’ and PR’in. #editorchat

[20:35:37] shortformernie: @dan_miranda Howdy, dude. #editorchat

[20:35:57] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo Yippee you made it! Now pass out those yummie bytes #editorchat

[20:36:03] JenniferPerillo: I’m doing #editorchat tonight, so pls filter if you like for the next hour.

[20:36:09] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia Hello Marcia thanks for coming #editorchat

[20:36:14] sooutdoors: #editorchat Lloyd here from Southern Ontario Outdoors. Writer, author, journalist.

[20:36:28] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans Hello Miss Meryl #editorchat

[20:36:44] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Lloyd, so glad you made it – I know the time is a crunch for you #editorchat

[20:37:00] milehighfool: @marciamarcia @merylkevans @JenniferPerillo Welcome, all. #editorchat

[20:37:15] milehighfool: @sooutdoors Hey, you made it. Sorry about the time crunch. #editorchat

[20:37:41] SpecialDee: #editorchat Special Sections editor @sunjournal, Maine, also Arts & Humanities student @usmlac

[20:37:52] milehighfool: @JaySlacks Glad you could make it, Jarvis. #editorchat

[20:38:02] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:11] JaySlacks: @LydiaBreakfast Jarvis Slacks, writing and adjunct english teacher and I forgot this part: #editorchat

[20:38:13] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Hello Special Dee #editorchat

[20:38:16] ellmcgirt: Heyo! Ellen McGirt, senior writer, Fast Company magazine, coming to hang awhile! I write feature stories, mostly. #editorchat

[20:38:18] JMegonigal: Hey all friends – for 1.5 hrs, filter me, filter me, filter me! (Unless you want to talk journalism!) #editorchat

[20:38:51] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Well thanks for the warm welcome. Doing the dinner dishes during #editorchat.

[20:38:57] LydiaBreakfast: @JaySlacks Brilliant, thanks for joining and lending us your perspective #editorchat

[20:39:03] milehighfool: @ellmcgirt Hi Ellen. Wow. Your first editorchat, I think. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:39:14] JMegonigal: @ellmcgirt YAY Ellen! Welcome! #editorchat

[20:39:17] LydiaBreakfast: @ellmcgirt Hooray No #utb jokes I’ll be good #editorchat

[20:39:18] SpecialDee: @merylkevans #editorchat I love the “play with words” it’s so functional.

[20:39:34] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Glad you could make it, Jordana. #editorchat

[20:40:04] LydiaBreakfast: So let me just remind everyone that editorchat is for writers and editors, anyone else is welcome to lurk #editorchat

[20:40:10] merylkevans: Another warning… entering a second tweetchat… so you may want to slam www.twittersnooze.com on me. #editorchat

[20:40:13] milehighfool: @sooutdoors Don’t we all? #editorchat

[20:40:33] milehighfool: Rules coming next. #editorchat

[20:40:37] ellmcgirt: This is my maiden voyage yes! I’m back and forth with my actual editor, so I’ll be off and on a bit. But am so happy to make it. #editorchat

[20:40:47] SpecialDee: @GLHancock #editorchat I am just learning about Luddites and Neo-Luddites in my Science, Technology & Society class.

[20:40:47] JMegonigal: @milehighfool Wouldn’t miss this one for the world!! #editorchat

[20:41:16] GLHancock: #editorchat

[20:41:21] milehighfool: Rule No. 1 Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:41:42] milehighfool: Rule No. 2 Stay on topic. #editorchat

[20:41:59] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat

[20:42:00] PDXsays: conceptor | writer | editoir in PDX. work with Brick | mortar biz to come to SoME. and strat up book authors | blog “journalists #Editorchat

[20:42:17] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:42:19] SpecialDee: Little tip for newbies: If you’re using TweetDeck you can follow this conversation in a separate column by doing a search for #editorchat

[20:42:37] milehighfool: Rule no. 5: Refer to the question number when commenting. Q1, Q2, etc. #editorchat

[20:43:07] dawndsokol: I’m a book designer and author…I’m just going to lurk. Hope that’s OK. #editorchat

[20:43:52] milehighfool: @dawndsokol Of course it is. Whatever suits you. Chime in anytime. We try to post transcirpts within a day or two. #editorchat

[20:44:01] LydiaBreakfast: For those of you who didn’t read the post on the topic, we will be discussing the generation gap and its effect on publishing. #editorchat

[20:44:21] cursingeditor: I’m a first-line editor at a Texas newspaper. Just watching mostly. #editorchat

[20:45:03] hotspringer: Just got an error message on #editorchat: “Something is totally wack.” (That was right after @milehighfool did the rules.)

[20:45:09] milehighfool: @cursingeditor I don’t believe it. Not with a Twitter handle like yours Thanks for stopping in. #editorchat

[20:45:21] GLHancock: Q?: Are the questions available in advance somewhere? #editorchat

[20:45:26] dawndsokol: @milehighfool Oops, thanks! #editorchat

[20:45:55] hotspringer: (wild applause for @milehighfool!) #editorchat

[20:45:56] hotspringer: (wild applause for @milehighfool.) #editorchat

[20:45:59] JaySlacks: #editorchat One of the best times I’ve ever had was working with an editor. I miss it a lot. More than I thought I would.

[20:46:36] ohmgee: hiya #editorchat. intro: martin gee: art director of oregon business magazine and visual monkey. #editorchat

[20:46:45] milehighfool: Re: the topic. The generation gap is in every workplace but it seems more pronounced in publishing. #editorchat

[20:46:48] mspizziri: Joining #editorchat for the first time.

[20:47:02] shortformernie: @ohmgee Hey dude. What’s up? #editorchat

[20:47:02] jennipps: @GLHancock They’re on the blog at www.editorchat.wordpress.com. #editorchat

[20:47:24] LydiaBreakfast: @mspizziri fantastic welcome, please introduce yourself and tell us what you do #editorchat

[20:47:35] merylkevans: @jennipps Hey, Oklahoma! Good to see ya again! #editorchat

[20:47:40] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Define generation gap? #editorchat

[20:47:45] milehighfool: @hotspringer Oooooo. What did I do? (Thanks for the applause.) #editorchat

[20:47:50] GLHancock: @jennipps Thanks so! #editorchat

[20:47:53] LydiaBreakfast: @ohmgee hello Martin Gee, thanks for coming again #editorchat

[20:48:06] judywriter: Hi. Business journalist currently, longtime editor before I started writing a book . #editorchat

[20:48:17] jennipps: @merylkevans And you too! #editorchat

[20:48:45] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR At the most basic, let’s say Gen Y and Boomers, with Gen X in the middle. #editorchat

[20:49:01] hotspringer: (Beet red.) I was applauding the rules. Got this error message: Something is totally wack. Tried again, and well, you saw… #editorchat

[20:49:10] milehighfool: @judywriter Thanks for joining us, Judy. #editorchat

[20:49:47] ohmgee: @shortformernie chillin’. june issue was shipped today. checkin’ out #editorchat. =) thanks @lydiabreakfast =) #editorchat

[20:49:55] LydiaBreakfast: So the topic: generation gap and its effect on publishing #editorchat

[20:50:02] milehighfool: @hotspringer Ah yes. Our infamous spam electrocution machine. The most fun you can have on #editorchat

[20:50:31] dodgemedlin: Hey all. Mark Dodge Medlin, asst. news editor of The San Diego Union-Tribune, stopping by #editorchat

[20:50:57] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: So the topic: generation gap and its effect on publishing. #editorchat

[20:50:58] PDXsays: go to tweet chat to participate RT @LydiaBreakfast: So the topic: generation gap and its effect on publishing #editorchat

[20:51:09] milehighfool: @dodgemedlin Glad you could make it, Mark. #editorchat

[20:51:19] LydiaBreakfast: Q1 is the social landscape of media creating a gap between the old guard and the new school? #editorchat

[20:51:26] jennipps: RT @LydiaBreakfast So the topic: generation gap and its effect on publishing #editorchat

[20:51:31] LydiaBreakfast: @dodgemedlin hey Mark nice to see you again #editorchat

[20:51:35] marciamarcia: Tonight’s topic: generation gap and its effect on publishing. Bring it on! #editorchat

[20:51:43] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q1 is the social landscape of media creating a gap between the old guard and the new school? #editorchat

[20:52:06] LydiaBreakfast: Remember refer to the question number when you respond #editorchat

[20:52:14] jennipps: Q1 – In some ways, I think so. Some of the “old guard” appear to be willing to take on social media but not many from what I see #editorchat

[20:52:33] JMegonigal: @lydiabreakfast LOL whatcha mean by social landscape?? (first question and I’m already showing an X-er) #editorchat

[20:52:35] milehighfool: Old guard = Boomers used to the old smoke-stained offices. #editorchat

[20:52:55] JaneFriedman: Q1. In book pub specifically, not sure gen-gap is that pronounced. I meet editors/agents younger than me who spurn e-reading. #editorchat

[20:53:19] GirlsSentAway: @pTsaldari Go to tweetchat.com and enter #editorchat (at least that’s what I’ve been told!)

[20:53:22] milehighfool: New school = Gen Y, which appears completely comfortable with social media and distributed workspaces. #editorchat

[20:53:26] LydiaBreakfast: @JaneFriedman Wow, that is encouraging! #editorchat

[20:53:30] merylkevans: Q1 Actually, Facebook has pulled off bringing in the “old guard” including my brother and mother. Miracle! #editorchat

[20:53:30] AuldHouse: Hello–acquisitions editor for tech publisher by day, starting ebook publisher by night. #editorchat

[20:53:30] sooutdoors: #editorchat Q! – I hate to show my age, but I would say absolutely. Different values and almost a different language for gen Y

[20:53:32] JaneFriedman: Q1 #editorchat – And to clarify, I sit on the Gen X-Gen Y cusp.

[20:53:51] merylkevans: On top of that, best friends from childhood are still not big on email and Internet (Gen-X). #editorchat

[20:54:02] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans average age of facebook users is 35+ now #editorchat

[20:54:14] judywriter: In State of Play it was more about the diff between old-school journalism & new-age blogging than about the generation gap. #editorchat

[20:54:22] milehighfool: @JaneFriedman Is that a new development, Jane? or has it been this way for years? #editorchat

[20:54:30] JMegonigal: Q1: Consider: Gen Ys may be “comfortable” with soc. med, but they are less likely (by numbers) to use it. Esp. for work. #editorchat

[20:54:39] foleymo: RT @milehighfool: New school = Gen Y, which appears completely comfortable with social media and distributed workspaces. #editorchat

[20:54:42] LydiaBreakfast: Social landscape of media = the people doing the work (and the people consuming it) #editorchat

[20:54:45] JaySlacks: @LydiaBreakfast Q1 Yes. Is that too easy an answer? #editorchat

[20:54:45] kcesarz: Not one of the ‘old guard’ – see WSJ social media rules – is really willing to take on social media – #editorchat

[20:54:53] JaneFriedman: Q1. Digital/online landscape not well understood (yet) by bk publishers. Lot of chaos, few answers. Age seems to matter little. #editorchat

[20:55:02] milehighfool: @sooutdoors Does iut affect your process, Lloyd? #editorchat

[20:55:10] hotspringer: Q1: Gaps appear most prominently in vertical structures. In horizontal relationships, not so much. #editorchat

[20:55:13] writemo: @milehighfool Advertising writer, NYC. 1st chat ever #editorchat

[20:55:16] shortformernie: Q1: Of course it is! It feels so often that older journalists take on new technology in a heavy-handed way. #editorchat

[20:55:17] LydiaBreakfast: @JaySlacks explain please #editorchat

[20:55:18] PDXsays: .@JMegonigal Q1: Consider: Gen Ys m/b “comfortable” w/ soc. med, but are less likely (by numbers) to use it. Esp. for work. #editorchat

[20:55:32] judywriter: As someone nearing 60 I stand for the boomers. Many ppl older than I are on twitter, FB & have had blogs since the early days. #editorchat

[20:55:45] JDEbberly: Apologize for arriving late to Editorchat. Traffic has been terrible this past week here in DCA #editorchat

[20:55:46] LydiaBreakfast: @kcesarz also encouraging, especially given that WSJ mandate #editorchat

[20:55:58] shortformernie: Q1: At one of the more experimental papers I worked at, the dichotomy was distinct among beat reporters asking to blog. #editorchat

[20:56:07] booksandcorsets: Q1: I do think that there is a gap. Smaller companies must adapt quicker; the larger companies will be okay for a bit #editorchat

[20:56:07] ellmcgirt: Q1 – Re: old guard, sometimes, yes. But new guard often missing old fashn’d reporting/intervu skills. Cross pollnation wud help #editorchat

[20:56:09] LydiaBreakfast: @JDEbberly Hi JD glad to see you #editorchat

[20:56:15] milehighfool: @writemo Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:56:20] JaySlacks: @JaneFriedman Q1 Do they ever give a reason why? That’s curious. I thought it would be different #editorchat

[20:56:30] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Q1 Yes, many staff editors that’ve been in the game a while are not ready to accept the landscape has changed. #editorchat

[20:56:38] JaneFriedman: Q1. Book publishing has ALWAYS been behind the curve — always fairly entrenched. Can’t stay that way, of course. Change afoot. #editorchat

[20:56:39] judywriter: I really don’t think it’s a matter of age/generation. It’s whether you’re open to new ideas/risks or not so much. At any age. #editorchat

[20:56:52] milehighfool: @judywriter So not much of an issue for you. Are you much dealing with Gen Y? Your editors, for example? #editorchat

[20:56:52] JaySlacks: @LydiaBreakfast I was thinking the same thing. I thought it was worse. That’s a good thing. #editorchat

[20:57:02] JDEbberly: @LydiaBreakfast I am glad to see you too, Lydia. I always learn something new here every week #editorchat

[20:57:03] jennipps: @judywriter I would agree with that. #editorchat

[20:57:08] hinder: Q1 I think there is a huge gap between the old and the new. But those from the older set that learn SM rock at it. #editorchat

[20:57:09] LydiaBreakfast: RT @ellmcgirt old guard, sometimes, yes. New guard often missing old fashn’d reporting/intervu skills. Cross pollnation wud help #editorchat

[20:57:11] shortformernie: Q1: When they did, it was deliberate as opposed to coming natural. That’s the problem. If it’s deliberate, it feels fake. #editorchat

[20:57:19] jennipps: RT @judywriter I really don’t think it’s a matter of age/generation. It’s whether you’re open to new ideas/risks or not so much. #editorchat

[20:57:31] booksandcorsets: @JaneFriedman Q1: Agree w/bk pub always being behind curve. But I think newspaper and magazines are also behind it this time #editorchat

[20:57:31] AuldHouse: Q1 in tech publishing it is just a matter of keeping up no matter what gen. I’m genX #editorchat

[20:57:34] ellmcgirt: @judywriter Q1 – I’ve observed that too. #editorchat

[20:57:40] milehighfool: @ellmcgirt Agreed. Is the old reporter’s notebook still around? The sort I used to scribble box scores in as a sports reporter? #editorchat

[20:57:41] JaneFriedman: Q1 – As an example, CEO of F+W Media is engaged with social media and promotes its use. Incredible vision. #editorchat

[20:57:43] JDEbberly: Apologies to my followers for excessive tweeting from now on into at least 1030-11pm as I join Editorchat #editorchat

[20:57:48] JenniferPerillo: @JaneFriedman Yes, it’s not age so much as how long as someone has been in the business and use dto doing things a certain way. #editorchat

[20:58:00] JMegonigal: @milehighfool I dont imagine there are Many Ys in editing positions yet…next 5-10 years, probably….#editorchat

[20:58:01] JaySlacks: @judywriter Q1 isn’t that the same thing? Would the old guard ever have even thought to twitter? #editorchat

[20:58:28] merylkevans: R@judywriter really don’t think it’s a matter of age/generation. It’s whether you’re open to new ideas/risks or not so much. !! #editorchat

[20:58:28] waltyates: Gen Y’s expect 2-way communication from brands and publishers. X’ers are getting there. #editorchat #pr20chat

[20:58:42] sooutdoors: @judywriter #editorchat Q1 I agree completely but in terms of writing there are distinct differences that need to be addressed.

[20:58:47] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal Gen Y editors are mostly handling start-ups and self-pubbed ventures, so? #editorchat

[20:58:49] lisasepiphany: I’ve been watching you for several weeks, & now would like to be part of the discussion #editorchat

[20:58:53] MelynMcKay: Sitting on the sidelines for #editorchat, PR people can learn from their media colleagues; a good PR person makes a writer’s job easier

[20:58:57] JaySlacks: @hotspringer Wow. Man. Is it going to be like that? #editorchat

[20:58:57] AuldHouse: Most of the Y’s I see are young MBAs not in editing profession. #editorchat

[20:58:58] milehighfool: @booksandcorsets In what way? Are you speaking in terms of coverage or use of tech? Or? #editorchat

[20:59:09] shortformernie: Q1: I think that it’s hard to sell the benefit of technology to older journalists who are afraid of losing their jobs. #editorchat

[20:59:11] LydiaBreakfast: @lisasepiphany Great, join it any time #editorchat

[20:59:22] JaneFriedman: @JaySlacks Why book pub behind the times? I think it’s historical. Gutenberg and all that. “Tradition” #editorchat

[20:59:30] JMegonigal: Q1 I see larger gaps between different outlets than I do generations…#editorchat

[20:59:31] LydiaBreakfast: @MelynMcKay Indeed they do – thank you #editorchat

[20:59:33] wordful: Aloha, Charles of Wordful here…I’m late #editorchat

[20:59:44] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast FB might be older’n that by now. Watch SNL? They’ve got “cougars” checking FB. lol #editorchat

[20:59:49] ellmcgirt: @milehighfool And the fine art of conversation! The gatekeeper shmooze! <putting press card in brim of fedora> #editorchat

[20:59:58] milehighfool: @shortformernie Even when there’s no other choice but to adapt? That seems hard to believe. #editorchat

[21:00:03] shortformernie: @wordful Howdy dude! #editorchat

[21:00:05] JenniferPerillo: RT @judywriter: It’s not a matter of age/generation. It’s whether you’re open to new ideas/risks or not so much. At any age. #editorchat

[21:00:05] judywriter: My journ editors are near my age. My book editor is Gen Y. No probs so far (knock on wood). #editorchat

[21:00:10] booksandcorsets: Q1 Well hey, I’m a Gen Y.. there are many in assistant ed/associate ed positions. #editorchat

[21:00:15] sooutdoors: #editorchat Q1 I think social media is a factor but that is driven (or drives) the demand for immediacy.

[21:00:24] JaySlacks: @LydiaBreakfast I feel that people are open to new social networking, but I’m not sure it is helping quality writing #editorchat

[21:00:29] judywriter: @SoOutdoors What kind of distinct differences? #editorchat

[21:00:39] milehighfool: @ellmcgirt You forgot the cocktail #editorchat

[21:00:55] JaneFriedman: @bookandcorsets Agree that all print pubs can be blind to the changes, seems to related to the leadership. #editorchat

[21:01:04] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast So they are up for risk. Social media is still new and (somewhat) unproven. Maybe that’s a connection… #editorchat

[21:01:11] acnatta: @milehighfool @shortformernie some of them just don’t like change #editorchat

[21:01:12] hinder: Q1: I think both sets have challenges. The older need to learn how to use it, the younger need to learn the correct use for biz. #editorchat

[21:01:16] judywriter: @JaySlacks No, but not being the inventor doesn’t mean you’re not on board. #editorchat

[21:01:18] katcalbes: Totally AGREE! RT @waltyates: Gen Y’s expect 2-way communication from brands and publishers. X’ers are getting there. #editorchat #pr20chat

[21:01:41] shortformernie: @milehighfool You’d be surprised. Some people are afraid of rocking the boat, even when it’s already shaking. #editorchat

[21:01:57] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal exactly as are the boomers taking the SM leap and leading the charge like @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat

[21:02:02] JDEbberly: Q1 I think the new school can learn some from the old guard and vice versa. #editorchat

[21:02:10] milehighfool: There seem to be two issues here: tech and process. isn’t attachment to process the bigger issue? (“This is the way we do it.”) #editorchat

[21:02:15] kristoforlawson: Q1- what does your gen have to do with anything??? #editorchat

[21:02:36] ellmcgirt: @milehighfool Nostalgia for an era I never lived through. (I bet that’s in the DSM.) Probably proof that I’m old guard, huh? #editorchat

[21:02:48] JMegonigal: RT @hinder: Q1: both sets have challenges. older need to learn how to use it, the younger need to learn the correct use for biz. #editorchat

[21:02:54] booksandcorsets: @milehighfool Q1 Refer to use of social media for publicity/connecting w/audience. Smaller cos in bk pub have a handle on it #editorchat

[21:03:05] milehighfool: @hinder”It” as in tech? Social media? #editorchat

[21:03:20] merylkevans: @kristoforlawson Amen! My sister is very social media and my brother isn’t (2 yrs apart and she’s older). #editorchat

[21:03:22] LydiaBreakfast: So age is not the factor we agree, just mindset and willingness to risk and change #editorchat

[21:03:24] sooutdoors: @judywriter #editorchat Q1 I think largely in terms of the immediacy demanded. Fast at the expense of accuracy.

[21:03:29] marciamarcia: We research x-gen issues and find SoMe *use* isn’t easy to generalize. #editorchat

[21:03:32] shortformernie: @milehighfool I was at a fairly innovative paper and there were lots of people there who only bought into it on the surface. #editorchat

[21:03:45] judywriter: Why thank you! LOL RT @hinder: ….But those from the older set that learn SM rock at it. #editorchat

[21:03:48] milehighfool: @ellmcgirt Right. I caught the end of that era at the beginning of my career. Hard to believe it ever existed. #editorchat

[21:03:59] LydiaBreakfast: Q2 – Do you see a cultural shift occurring as social media levels the playing field between old and new forms of thought? #editorchat

[21:04:04] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast True. So, I dont know that generationally, in a single newsroom, that it would make much difference…#editorchat

[21:04:06] kristoforlawson: Q1 – plenty of social media people are older… plenty are younger…. it’s pretty even these days… your gen shouldn’t matter #editorchat

[21:04:07] SpecialDee: Q1 There’s a gap between those who want to use the available communication tools and those who want to use what they know. #editorchat

[21:04:10] jennipps: RT @LydiaBreakfast So age is not the factor we agree, just mindset and willingness to risk and change #editorchat

[21:04:18] LJBoldyrev: #editorchat

[21:04:22] marciamarcia: Where we can generalize x-gen is in preferred learning (& reading) methods, tech comfort, and authority. #editorchat

[21:04:34] milehighfool: @shortformernie The “I’ll do this because I have to” crowd. In publishing, that *is* the generation gap, right? #editorchat

[21:04:35] JaneFriedman: @milehighfool For me, the bigger issue is the right STRATEGY amidst chaos, using right tools. Everyone ready to change process! #editorchat

[21:04:40] SpecialDee: Q1 Training at work is all important and that should include social media: blogs, microblogs, etc. #editorchat

[21:04:59] JaySlacks: @JaneFriedman Q1 Is that a good change? More and more, reading a book is special. It shouldn’t be that way for young people. #editorchat

[21:05:11] SpecialDee: Q1 Methods of communication don’t disappear overnight and new methods don’t get learned over night. Generations need each other. #editorchat

[21:05:13] judywriter: That I agree with. RT @SoOutdoors: #editorchat Q1 I think largely in terms of the immediacy demanded. Fast at the expense of accuracy.

[21:05:15] AuldHouse: @milehighfool Although I’ve been in pub since 1994–and look at the changes in process even without social media. #editorchat

[21:05:21] wordful: Q2 Definitely a cultural shift. There no longer keepers of information, only producers are sharers. #editorchat

[21:05:32] underoak: Hey all. I’m Andria, Charlotte freelance and consulting, joining in #editorchat but likely fairly quiet while juggling some other stuff.

[21:05:37] sooutdoors: #editorchat A wise man once told me that people want things fast, cheap, and high quality. You can pick any two but not all three

[21:05:38] Naked_Jewelry: RT @jennipps RT @LydiaBreakfast So age is not the factor we agree, just mindset and willingness to risk and change #editorchat

[21:05:40] kristoforlawson: Q2- there is a cultural shift with every new technology.. the important thing is not forgetting other ways of communication #editorchat

[21:05:42] milehighfool: RT @SpecialDee: Q1 There’s a gap between those who want to use the available tools and those who want to use what they know. #editorchat

[21:05:45] ellmcgirt: Q1 – Re: process, In hierarchical pubs innovation aversion feels baked in. Attachment to status quo wud be less generational #editorchat

[21:05:50] wordful: Q2 Definitely a cultural shift. There are no longer keepers of information, only producers are sharers. (Whoops) #editorchat

[21:05:52] AuldHouse: I mean who here used to edit on paper and now edits online only? Uses email to transfer files that used to be mailed? #editorchat

[21:05:58] JaySlacks: @LydiaBreakfast missing old fashioned skills is an excellent point. Is all this social networking helping this generation? #editorchat

[21:06:01] JMegonigal: Definitely a risk to buck the standard processes. I evaluate constantly what I was taught in j-school and WHY I was taught it #editorchat

[21:06:13] booksandcorsets: Q2 I don’t believe SM levels the playing field. It doesn’t grant exp or writing ability, merely networking w/others who use SM #editorchat

[21:06:25] jennipps: Q2 @LydiaBreakfast If so, I may have missed a lot since I’ve been involve w/sm since July & things are just starting good for me #editorchat

[21:06:25] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s got to Q2 Do you see a cultural shift occur as social media levels the playing field between old and new forms of thought? #editorchat

[21:06:29] JaneFriedman: @JaySlacks Sometimes I think we’re caught up in concept of reading a *book*, maybe when we should talk about reading a *story*? #editorchat

[21:06:40] shortformernie: Q2: Yes. I think that the next generation of journalists will be more individualized. #editorchat

[21:07:04] merylkevans: Q2 Social media takes away the things that might prejudice us in person and takes away barriers for deaf folks like me. #editorchat

[21:07:04] LydiaBreakfast: @JaySlacks Certainly can hinder true (old school) professional behavior #editorchat

[21:07:15] JDEbberly: JOIN US at #editorchat ! Its where pro writers & editors who use Twitter can discuss how best to help one another.

[21:07:19] BethFishReads: @AuldHouse Let me say that again with the hashtag: Me! I’ve been a freelance book editor since 1984 #editorchat

[21:07:23] shortformernie: Q2: That’s the cultural shift. The big organization will lose much of its influence on journalists. #editorchat

[21:07:23] acnatta: @JaySlacks it will if they remember it’s a tool and not a crutch #editorchat

[21:07:23] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q2 – Do you see a cultural shift occurring as social media levels the playing field between old and new? #editorchat

[21:07:25] SpecialDee: Q2 Until “old forms” of communication are phased out, everything is valid: e-mail, phone, snail mail. All have purposes 4 using. #editorchat

[21:07:47] JaySlacks: @JaneFriedman Good point. But those ol’ school ideas worked and create great lit. #editorchat

[21:07:48] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans Wow, excellent point – it absolutely does #editorchat

[21:07:56] milehighfool: @JaneFriedman Agree completely. Willingness to adapt has always been a skill but now it’s a survivalist tool. #editorchat

[21:08:15] JDEbberly: What exactly is Editorchat? See http://editorchat.wordpress.com/ #editorchat

[21:08:20] sooutdoors: #editorchat Q2 not so sure about a cultural shift as much as a cultural clash. Boomers & gen Y with X in the middle.

[21:08:21] shortformernie: Q2: By the way, I was at #sndchicago this Saturday and got a preview of the Tribune’s ChicagoNow blog project. #editorchat

[21:08:23] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @JaneFriedman Agree completely. Willingness to adapt has always been a skill but now it’s a survivalist tool. #editorchat

[21:08:28] lisasepiphany: I think the shift is partly due to environmental concerns, so is a natural movement to online distribution of information #editorchat

[21:08:43] ellmcgirt: @milehighfool Me too. I missed the legendary “drink cart” at Fortune Mag by barely a fortnight. Sigh. #editorchat

[21:08:46] milehighfool: RT @merylkevans: Q2 Social media takes away the things that might prejudice us in person and barriers for deaf folks like me. #editorchat

[21:08:51] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast Is it soc.med.leveling the playing field?Or are we just seeing so many forms DIE that we know we have to change? #editorchat

[21:08:51] SpecialDee: Q2 Even the “old fashioned” business card still has a place. They’re cheap and easy to distribute in person. Face2face meetings #editorchat

[21:08:59] milehighfool: @shortformernie And are you impressed? #editorchat

[21:09:01] shortformernie: Q2: The somewhat hostile response to the idea was interesting. Some people didn’t like Tribune just co-opting these blogs. #editorchat

[21:09:22] milehighfool: @JaneFriedman Agree completely. Willingness to adapt has always been a skill but now it’s a survivalist tool. #editorchat

[21:09:23] JaySlacks: @milehighfool Good point, attachment to the process. So is the attachment helping or hurting? #editorchat

[21:09:33] kristoforlawson: @SpecialDee – I agree! Everything in it’s place…. social media has the ability to make you less connected in reality #editorchat

[21:09:40] sooutdoors: #editorchat Q2 I think each group has different expectations and as writers we need to address the expectations of our target readers.

[21:09:52] hotspringer: RT @milehighfool Willingness to adapt has always been a skill but now it’s a survivalist tool. #editorchat

[21:09:53] JMegonigal: Q2- I dont change my thinking bc of soc.med. I do because I’m not convinced that “the way its always been done” works anymore. #editorchat

[21:10:07] JDEbberly: @milehighfool Adaptation and learning new skills will be very important. #editorchat

[21:10:14] shortformernie: @milehighfool I wouldn’t do it. I think giving Tribune the keys even as you claim ownership is just a bad idea. #editorchat

[21:10:16] LydiaBreakfast: In my experience, twitter has totally slashed barriers, it makes a world of difference when people can only read/write 140 char. #editorchat

[21:10:19] milehighfool: @JaySlacks I think it’s hurting. As @JaneFriedman said, process is only as good as the strategy that it serves. #editorchat

[21:10:27] acnatta: Q2 – it can level the playing field, but some won’t take advantage. It could allow for more niche work though #editorchat

[21:10:40] kristoforlawson: @JMegonigal – definitely progress is about adaptation rather then ‘change’ #editorchat

[21:10:49] marciamarcia: SoMe isn’t leveling the playing field for thought as much as offering a broader array of ways to communicate important ideas. Q2 #editorchat

[21:10:51] jennipps: RT @SpecialDee Q2 Until “old forms” of communication are phased out, everything is valid: e-mail, phone, snail mail. All have pu #editorchat

[21:10:52] jennipps: @SpecialDee And still expected, too. Though people now also want Twitter & LinkedIn info on them. #editorchat

[21:11:04] SpecialDee: #editorchat Social media has its place online – what do you do “in the flesh”

[21:11:12] shortformernie: @milehighfool The idea doesn’t make sense for the climate. It puts the big organizational umbrella on an individualized format. #editorchat

[21:11:15] jennipps: @acnatta Q2 I think the bit about niche work is how I’m finally able to break in to some markets otherwise closed to me. #editorchat

[21:11:15] AuldHouse: Q2: I find it interesting that the level field may be flattened. Just look at NY editors here interacting with editors all over #editorchat

[21:11:33] judywriter: Q2 The Web is what leveled the playing field. Everything else is an offshoot of that. SM is that on steroids! #editorchat

[21:11:48] acnatta: RT @SpecialDee: #editorchat Social media has its place online – what do you do “in the flesh” ?

[21:11:51] milehighfool: @marciamarcia Agree. But the act of participatory broadcasting spreads good ideas and debubks bad ideas faster. #editorchat

[21:12:09] hotspringer: Q2: Social media has always existed in some form: barber/beauty shops? Technology has lowered entry age, given broader access. #editorchat

[21:12:34] milehighfool: @shortformernie Thhus the soul of the individual — the voice — is squished like a grape. #editorchat

[21:12:48] hinder: True It’s about adapting. We still convey info, still shoot for accuracy, stellar writing, solid reporting, just in dif manner #editorchat

[21:12:54] SuburbNews: @LydiaBreakfast That’s what I love about twitter – it does smash barriers. #editorchat

[21:13:37] acnatta: @jennipps Q2 I think that’s absolutely right. It’s a way to engage groups we didn’t have access to before #editorchat

[21:13:53] wordful: Q2 Seems like an issue of the individual voice vs. the big organization: they will both have to compromise for this to work. #editorchat

[21:14:15] SpecialDee: That is such a great observation RT @hotspringer: Q2: Social media has always existed in some form: barber/beauty shops? #editorchat

[21:14:37] milehighfool: So a related question. Has social media closed the generation gap enough that individual voice can rise within old institutions? #editorchat

[21:14:51] LydiaBreakfast: RT @hinder True It’s about adapting. We still convey info, still shoot for accuracy, stellar writing, solid reporting, #editorchat

[21:14:51] LydiaBreakfast: The level field may be flattened. Just look at NY editors here interacting with editors all over RT @Auldhouse -exactly! #editorchat

[21:15:14] GLHancock: Q2: We have always networked. Now we have digital options. #editorchat

[21:15:17] merylkevans: These chats are the best conversations I can have — no misunderstanding or trying to keep up with who is talking. #editorchat

[21:15:25] milehighfool: @ellmcgirt Thanks, Ellen. Take care. #editorchat

[21:15:32] SpecialDee: Yes & SM helps us find those peeps RT @acnatta: @jennipps Q2 It’s a way to engage groups we didn’t have access to before #editorchat

[21:15:33] sooutdoors: @acnatta #editorchat Q2 this exchange of information is a prime example of something that would have been impossible not long ago.

[21:15:36] LydiaBreakfast: RT @milehighfool related Q Has social media closed the gen gap enough that individual voice can rise within old institutions? #editorchat

[21:15:36] wordful: @milehighfool Sure, but the individual voices need to speak with their own merit to be heard. Otherwise…it gets ignored. #editorchat

[21:15:39] shortformernie: @milehighfool EXACTLY! That’s what I’m talking about! #editorchat

[21:15:48] jennipps: @milehighfool I’ll let you know after I get a reply to my latest queries. lol. #editorchat

[21:15:59] writemo: eveything moving faster and cheaper is def affecting the ad industry. #editorchat

[21:16:14] cursingeditor: agree with @acnatta. The best thing we’ve found about Twitter as a newspaper is that it’s a new audience we didn’t have before. #editorchat

[21:16:18] JDEbberly: @ellmcgirt Thanks for stopping by tonight. Have an excellent evening! #editorchat

[21:16:18] marciamarcia: @milehighfool New participatory broadcasting spreads good ideas, debunks bad, & surfaces distraction fast. Easy to miss anything #editorchat

[21:16:37] milehighfool: @merylkevans We’re honored you join us each week. #editorchat

[21:16:39] booksandcorsets: @milehighfool The individual voice won’t ever be able to rise within old institutions until they are the ones running it #editorchat

[21:16:58] sooutdoors: @milehighfool #editorchat Unfortunately I think there are till a lot of “old boys clubs” out there that resist new voices.

[21:17:27] milehighfool: @booksandcorsets So if that’s true, can the generation gap in publishing ever be closed? #editorchat

[21:17:39] merylkevans: @milehighfool (blush) Honored to be amongst you! I mean… you work for the Cool Fool! #editorchat

[21:18:37] shortformernie: @milehighfool I think it can, but I think the climate has to be open for it. If there’s structural constraints, then no. #editorchat

[21:18:45] cursingeditor: @sooutdoors resistance to new voices isn’t new or isolated to journalism. #editorchat

[21:18:46] milehighfool: @sooutdoors I think that’s true. Perhapos the good news is that we’ve had some of these very institutions represented here. #editorchat

[21:18:56] jennipps: Sorry, all…I’m bailing. The cousins I’ve been house & dog sitting for this week & last are home. I’ll catch the transcript. #editorchat

[21:19:03] JMegonigal: @booksandcorsets @milehighfool So what if the new voices rise AROUND the old guard, become known and respected, THEN make place? #editorchat

[21:19:09] acnatta: @cursingeditor I think it may also help us figure out just what they want to know about #editorchat

[21:19:21] booksandcorsets: @milehighfool No. Wouldn’t want it to, would mean tech stopped evolving. Had this conv during the move from typewriters to comps #editorchat

[21:19:30] milehighfool: @jennipps Thanks, Jen. See you next week. #editorchat

[21:19:37] marciamarcia: Can the generation gap in publishing ever close? Well, no more or less so than it does anywhere. Education. Politics. Parenting. #editorchat

[21:19:44] JDEbberly: @jennipps Nice having you over, Jen. Lokking forward to seeing you next week! #editorchat

[21:19:45] JaneFriedman: It feels like there may be something of a false dichotomy here. Sometimes we all disagree on methods, but values matter more. #editorchat

[21:19:48] ptsaldari: It’s been a pleasure, good night all. #editorchat

[21:20:02] merylkevans: @sooutdoors True. I hope my city is finally turning. Elected our first minority on school board in 100+ yrs! She’s a teacher too #editorchat

[21:20:07] JDEbberly: RT @SuburbNews: @LydiaBreakfast That’s what I love about twitter – it does smash barriers. #editorchat

[21:20:08] wordful: And that, my friend, is the Great Question. RT @milehighfool Can the generation gap publishing ever be closed? #editorchat

[21:20:22] SpecialDee: @milehighfool Generation gap: how many Boomers have a Millenial for a boss? What’s it like? #editorchat

[21:20:22] JenniferPerillo: @JaySlacks Things like #editorchat prove social media’s worth. Networking beyond boundaries. For research you also get instant help.

[21:20:32] milehighfool: @JMegonigal This is the message I’m hearing from Christina Katz (@thewritermama) re: platforms. A good message for writers. #editorchat

[21:20:37] foleymo: RT @hotspringer: Social media always existed in some form: barber/beauty shops? Technology lowers entry age, gives broad access #editorchat

[21:20:52] cursingeditor: @acnatta Yes, and with the new tools, they can participate in the process. A conversation with readers. Imagine that. #editorchat

[21:20:53] GLHancock: @JaneFriedman — Amen! False dichotomy. #editorchat

[21:21:28] wordful: Can the generation gap in publishing ever close? Yes, but it will take some revolutionary leadership and risky ideas. #editorchat

[21:21:50] judywriter: @SpecialDee The best boss I’ve ever had is a #editorchat

[21:21:51] LydiaBreakfast: I think the workplace -now with three, potentially four gens- is going to have to adapt as a whole to be productive #editorchat

[21:22:02] milehighfool: @booksandcorsets Good point. The generation gap proves the business is evolving. Like your outlook. #editorchat

[21:22:12] lisasepiphany: soc med is the network a journalist uses to display or distribute their body of work, it shouldn’t affect best effort or quality #editorchat

[21:22:24] judywriter: @SpecialDee The best boss I’ve ever had is a Gen Xer, haven’t had a Millennial. Scary thought. #editorchat

[21:22:24] JenniferPerillo: Ok, I’ve got go guys. Deadlines call. Will catch up with the tweets tomorrow. http://www.InJenniesKitchen.com #editorchat

[21:22:38] JMegonigal: Ignoring prime aspect here: diff. b/tw generations isn’t soc.med yes or no. It’s about what they value MOST. Priorities are diff.#editorchat

[21:23:11] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo Thanks for coming Jennifer #editorchat

[21:23:16] shortformernie: General thought: What media Web sites have flourished the most with limited marketing? The ones that threw out the rule books. #editorchat

[21:23:23] GLHancock: The only differences I see are digital, and a much larger “Letters to the Editor” page. #editorchat

[21:23:24] JDEbberly: @JenniferPerillo See you next week, Jennifer! Take care! #editorchat

[21:23:47] BethFishReads: @SpecialDee I’m sure I have, but as a freelancer, what does it matter how old my inhouse contact is? #editorchat

[21:23:50] JMegonigal: Older generations value loyalty more. Younger value “being real” Older: career. Younger: life balance. #editorchat

[21:24:02] shortformernie: Fark was just created by some guy. So was Pitchfork. Now they’re as influential, if not moreso, than many magazines. #editorchat

[21:24:03] milehighfool: Following from what @booksandcorsets said: Does the generation gap need to be closed? #editorchat

[21:24:04] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast Emphasis on “workplace adapting” rather than expecting everything to be on young or older workers’ shoulders. #editorchat

[21:24:11] booksandcorsets: @JMegonigal Excellent point. SM blurs the division btwn work and home–leads to longer work hours and less time w/family #editorchat

[21:24:11] acnatta: @wordful @milehighfool I think it’s starting to close already, just not fast enough for some #editorchat

[21:24:16] LydiaBreakfast: RT @JMegonigal diff. b/tw generations isn’t soc.med yes or no. It’s about what they value MOST. Priorities are different #editorchat

[21:24:32] judywriter: RT @JMegonigal: Prime aspect diff. b/tw generations isn’t soc.med yes or no. It’s about what they value MOST.Priorities are diff.#editorchat

[21:24:39] wordful: @shortformernie Right. We’re in a time of experimentation and risk-taking. Just like your great blog, Ernie. #editorchat

[21:25:21] acnatta: @booksandcorsets @JMegonigal only if you let it. It’s supposed to be a tool – we should be able to turn it off and walk away #editorchat

[21:25:30] SuburbNews: @booksandcorsets Ouch. I resemble that. #editorchat

[21:25:31] sooutdoors: @JMegonigal #editorchat Totally agree. The trick is to figure out what it is they value

[21:25:47] SpecialDee: @BethFishReads #editorchat The generational divide in the workplace has been studied extensively. What does it matter? Hmmm.

[21:25:50] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia I think diversity training should be part of every college curriculum, esp with regards to ageism #editorchat

[21:26:00] marciamarcia: Individual voice won’t ever be able to rise within old institutions until they are the ones running it RT @booksandcorsets #editorchat Hmm.

[21:26:01] milehighfool: @BethFishReads Certainly it doesn’t. What matters is how the gap affects process, if at all. #editorchat

[21:26:19] GLHancock: I’m still trying to figure out Gen X! #editorchat

[21:26:20] shortformernie: @wordful Totally. Oh, side note: I got an e-mail from Pitchfork’s Ryan Schriber today saying he was a fan of the site. Whoa. #editorchat

[21:26:47] LydiaBreakfast: @SuburbNews me too, family is doing without me right now #editorchat

[21:26:47] JMegonigal: @sooutdoors Actually a lot of studies on that topic. Trends. Values and why (all comes down to major events of those gens). #editorchat

[21:26:55] milehighfool: @shortformernie Nice! Well done, sir. #editorchat

[21:27:05] sooutdoors: @milehighfool #editorchat I don’t think the generation gap will ever close it will only change.

[21:27:46] acnatta: @sooutdoors @JMegonigal doesn’t SM allow for folks to choose channels for themselves already? #editorchat

[21:27:49] BethFishReads: @SpecialDee In book publishing it hasn’t affected me at all, but I have stayed with the technology #editorchat

[21:27:58] marciamarcia: Diversity training doesn’t hold a candle to experiential practices where we work w/ smart people across ages @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat

[21:28:00] hotspringer: Emerging voices have never *asked* permission to be heard. Even whispers can be heard with the right (SoMe) acoustics. #editorchat

[21:28:08] GinaLaGuardia: Sneaking into #editorchat; sorry I’m late. Former mag editor-in-chief, now editorial director/consultant for a # of companies

[21:28:12] merylkevans: @GLHancock I didn’t think I was complicated… rather simple, actually. How can I help w/ your GenX questions? #editorchat

[21:28:31] GLHancock: Generation gaps never close. The old guard passeth away. Or we just get too tired. #editorchat

[21:28:32] milehighfool: @sooutdoors Maybe the point is that it’s a necessary, a forcing function to improve tech and process. #editorchat

[21:28:36] LydiaBreakfast: @GinaLaGuardia Hey Gina thanks for coming #editorchat

[21:28:40] wordful: @shortformernie Yes, your’e certainly onto something… #editorchat

[21:28:44] SpecialDee: #editorchat Generational studies list common traits. The question is, have you noticed a difference in the use of SM among generations?

[21:28:56] JaneFriedman: RT @sooutdoors: @milehighfool #editorchat I don’t think the generation gap will ever close it will only change.

[21:29:08] thewritermama: @milehighfool There is a great article on writer platform development in the current issue of Writer’s Digest mag. #editorchat

[21:29:13] GinaLaGuardia: @LydiaBreakfast Happy to be here. Need a few minutes to catch up. TweetGrid’s moving quickly #editorchat

[21:29:34] JMegonigal: @acnatta Of course it does. But I’m still struggling with mixing a convo on SM and generational gaps in journ…. #editorchat

[21:29:35] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast I’m not saying diversity training doesn’t have a place. It’s just not nearly enough to work well x-gen. #editorchat

[21:30:12] shortformernie: rt @GLHancock Generation gaps never close. The old guard passeth away. Or we just get too tired. #editorchat

[21:30:18] JMegonigal: @GLHancock Amen. #editorchat

[21:30:19] sooutdoors: @acnatta #editorchat I believe that is very true. But the audience you have today can quickly jump ship tomorrow.

[21:30:20] milehighfool: @thewritermama Pretty sure I know who wrote that one Thanks for joining, Christina. #editorchat

[21:30:27] spencerspellman: Making a brief cameo at #editorchat Spencer Spellman here, freelance writer, Editor, Copywriter

[21:30:33] LydiaBreakfast: Q3 Is old biz model based on ad rev. and subscriptions so ingrained with vets that there’s no room for fresh/profitable approach #editorchat

[21:30:57] JMegonigal: rt @GLHancock Generation gaps never close. The old guard passeth away. Or we just get too tired. #editorchat

[21:31:06] LydiaBreakfast: @spencerspellman Hi Spencer #editorchat

[21:31:26] milehighfool: @SpecialDee Haben’t noticed it personally but was struck by a study that said Twitter is more likely than FB to used among 30+ #editorchat

[21:31:37] nullvariable: @smashadv there’s #carchat #prchat & #editorchat plus some guy named Lebron James going on too! It’s not all #idol

[21:31:52] JMegonigal: @lydiabreakfast Q3. Yes. #editorchat

[21:31:57] CitiesCheap: @GinaLaGuardia I think we sneak into #editorchat at the same time most weeks.

[21:31:57] JDEbberly: RT @GLHancock: Generation gaps never close. The old guard passeth away. Or we just get too tired. #editorchat

[21:32:09] CathyWebSavvyPR: @merylkevans sorry for delay – was wrapping up details – if you are in #editorchat – want to do tomorrow?

[21:32:10] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast Hello! Glad to make it for a little bit #editorchat

[21:32:15] marciamarcia: @SpecialDee Use is easy to overgeneralize (that’s more indicative of early adopters vs mainstreat, which has strong gen ties). #editorchat

[21:32:21] PDXsays: #NTEN http://stevenberlinjohnson.com for amazing graph of flow frm news to distribution #editorchat #pr20chat

[21:32:35] SpecialDee: Q3 I don’t think old biz model is so ingrained there’s no room for new approach – no one has found the new approach. #editorchat

[21:32:41] acnatta: @JMegonigal I think the generations will choose a channel they relate with, following who will fill their needs #editorchat

[21:32:59] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Q3 to a certain extent I agree. Hence the demise of many traditional print publications.

[21:33:01] GLHancock: Q3: Who doesn’t like to make money? I like to think we are flexible enough to try most anything with promise of success. #editorchat

[21:33:09] hinder: I think twitter is more popular for 30+ b/c it is easier and it takes less time and effort to set up and use. It’s a quick fix #editorchat

[21:33:26] hotspringer: Q3 The most hungry are the least picky about the menu. #editorchat

[21:33:38] wordful: Q3 Well the old model is now failing so yes, there is ample room to change. If the veterans can’t adapt, they’ll be left behind. #editorchat

[21:33:43] LydiaBreakfast: @GLHancock Ha! Great point #editorchat

[21:34:10] marciamarcia: @GLHancock Agree. The new twist is that younger gens now have more opps to speak up publicly. #editorchat

[21:34:12] vickydreiling: Gen Marketing: Messages are crafted to appeal to particular generations based upon shared values, attitudes, and beliefs. TBC #editorchat

[21:34:21] spencerspellman: RT @hinder I think twitter is more popular for 30+ b/c easier and takes less time and effort to set up and use. It’s a quick fix #editorchat

[21:34:36] SpecialDee: Q3 What happens at work when new software is introduced? We have training sessions. For everyone. S/b same for SM training #editorchat.

[21:34:36] sooutdoors: RT @hotspringer: Q3 The most hungry are the least picky about the menu. #editorchat So true

[21:34:37] GinaLaGuardia: @judywriter Doing well! I will def take a look. Very relevant to @Seniors4Living work (one of the many things keeping me busy) #editorchat

[21:34:37] JMegonigal: @acnatta True. But WITHIN the workplace…not the readership…I dont know that who uses SM is a generational discussion #editorchat

[21:34:38] mspizziri: Q3: What are new ways to make $ (that aren’t ethically dubious or likely to turn off audience)? #editorchat

[21:34:58] JaneFriedman: Q3 You can find many new approaches in book pb with Harlequin, O’Reilly, Chelsea Green, Sourcebooks. #editorchat

[21:35:16] merylkevans: RT @GLHancock Who doesn’t like to make money? I like to think we’re flexible enough to try most anything with promise of sucess #editorchat

[21:35:22] GinaLaGuardia: @judywriter I’m just reading Are Baby Boomers Killing Facebook/Twitter: http://tinyurl.com/pb35zq – have you seen? #editorchat

[21:35:38] mspizziri: @JaneFriedman Such as? #editorchat

[21:35:43] shortformernie: Q3: I think all models to profitability suck right now. The stability that used to be there is all gone. #editorchat

[21:35:55] milehighfool: RT @hotspringer: Q3 The most hungry are the least picky about the menu. (Agreed — hunger will lead change.) #editorchat

[21:36:00] GinaLaGuardia: @CitiesCheap LOL. Just enough time to put little ones down, do a quick edit, then pop in… #editorchat

[21:36:05] acnatta: @JMegonigal Definitely #editorchat

[21:36:11] GLHancock: Q3: I have a bone to pick with that article that listed the ways Gen Y will be different. #editorchat

[21:36:16] JaneFriedman: Q3. Also look at mags such as The Economist – they value their pubs, based on subscriber model. The needle moving for some. #editorchat

[21:36:34] shortformernie: Q3: I read a while back that the problem with newspapers going free online was that they only rely on ads. There’s no base. #editorchat

[21:36:37] JMegonigal: @GinaLaGuardia Great post. #editorchat

[21:36:37] wordful: @shortformernie There are some bloggers making very good money right now. #editorchat

[21:36:45] shortformernie: Q3: So when the bottom falls out #editorchat

[21:36:57] GLHancock: In the 70s Boomers found no long-term job security and adapted to computers, learned to work on teams in the 80s, and networked #editorchat

[21:36:58] cursingeditor: @GinaLaGuardia @judywriter if boomers kill facebook/twitter, there will be something new to replace it. #editorchat

[21:37:15] marciamarcia: There’s always room for fresh/profitable approaches. It’s what tech’s “killer apps” can teach all industries. Q3 #editorchat

[21:37:15] JaySlacks: @merylkevans I think the PURSUIT of money has could tons of problems in the publishing world, sadly. #editorchat

[21:37:27] GinaLaGuardia: @cursingeditor That seems to be the consensus of the article… just not anything “new” yet — YET! #editorchat

[21:37:28] shortformernie: @wordful It’s scale. You have to have a huge audience to do it. Unless you know any secrets. If so, we should talk. #editorchat

[21:37:49] GLHancock: networked like crazy in the 90s. This is not all new! #editorchat

[21:37:57] milehighfool: Q3. Newsweek, too, is inspiring in this area. Charge for content that you can’t get elsewhere. #editorchat

[21:38:11] LydiaBreakfast: @GLHancock And now the Xers are doing the same thing – adapting to a non-secure employment landscape #editorchat

[21:38:35] spencerspellman: RT @milehighfool Q3. Newsweek, too, is inspiring in this area. Charge for content that you can’t get elsewhere. #editorchat

[21:38:39] GinaLaGuardia: @cursingeditor BTW, how much do I LOVE your handle???! #editorchat

[21:38:46] vickydreiling: Gen Marketing targeted to gens based on shared values & attitudes – from collective experiences(e.g., 9/11) #editorchat

[21:38:49] acnatta: @shortformernie should blogs be looking at creating events as well? #editorchat

[21:38:54] JaySlacks: @shortformernie Is it profitability? Or is it greed? It is getting hard to know the difference. #editorchat

[21:39:00] shortformernie: Q3: When I was at #rev2oh back in March, the best idea out of that was making iPhone apps free but selling added features. #editorchat

[21:39:01] JaneFriedman: Q3. Advertising may dry up in long run. Ad mkt changing so much. Mags need to be sub-driven. There IS recognition in indutry. #editorchat

[21:39:08] wordful: @shortformernie U build huge audiences by marketing yourself, hustling, social media strategy. Time consuming, yes, but worth it #editorchat

[21:39:35] JMegonigal: In Europe many/most mags are operated on Subscriptions. In US, ads. Maybe the shift to profitability lies in a flat world. #editorchat

[21:39:46] marciamarcia: When publisher comes up with a great new profitable workable model, everyone else will pay notice and we’ll see change. #editorchat

[21:40:00] milehighfool: Q3: On the other hand, Bill Keller at the NYT talks if asking for $ for content could kill traffic at the NYT. I don’t buy it. #editorchat

[21:40:08] shortformernie: @wordful Well, I’m already doing that. Too bad I have a job so I can’t do it more. #editorchat

[21:40:27] dodgemedlin: Q3 @jeffjarvis (I think) has suggested charging for more convenient ways of delivering content, not for the content itself. #editorchat

[21:40:53] wordful: @shortformernie I completely empathize with you, brother. #editorchat

[21:40:56] shortformernie: Q3: On a side note, I heard Jim Coudal speak about #thedeck recently. Great advertising idea, but it needs to scale down. #editorchat

[21:41:09] GLHancock: @milehighfool Q3: Didn’t the NYT used to charge for content? Like WSJ? Even U-T at one time. #editorchat

[21:41:11] SuburbNews: @shortformernie You’re scaring me. I thought @rev2oh came up with some good ad schemes to try to replace lost classifieds #editorchat

[21:41:26] sooutdoors: RT @marciamarcia: When publisher comes up with a great new workable model, everyone else will pay notice and we’ll see change. #editorchat

[21:41:29] hinder: @milehighfool it won’t kill the NYT to ask for $, but they tried that pay-for-content section a couple years ago and it flopped #editorchat

[21:41:39] spencerspellman: Q3 I’ve heard of some publications charging for content that you can’t get elsewhere, which I think has some potential.Thoughts? #editorchat

[21:41:47] dodgemedlin: @GLHancock Yep, NYT tried charging for a while. If the U-T has done it, it was before my time here. #editorchat

[21:41:51] judywriter: @GinaLaGuardia Just read that article. Thx! Good article but that pic of boomers depicted as Woodstock hippies is offensive! #editorchat

[21:42:06] acnatta: Q3 is the voluntary membership payment plan an option? #editorchat

[21:42:07] JaySlacks: @JaneFriedman Q3 I think the new revision of Newsweek is a good example of the proper changes needed. #editorchat

[21:42:10] milehighfool: @GLHancock Yes and then stopped. The problem, apaprently, is that the traffic is huge and the ad dollars rich. #editorchat

[21:42:22] GinaLaGuardia: @judywriter I thought the same thing. Holy stereotype, Batman…. #editorchat

[21:42:31] JMegonigal: Think the days of paying for news are long gone. Paying for insight, in-depth, new looks, advice, etc. -Â $$ still there. #editorchat

[21:42:42] shortformernie: @SuburbNews They did. #rev2oh also came up with new homepage and small biz approaches too. #editorchat

[21:42:42] spencerspellman: Q3 I think if the content is good enough, then people will pay to get it. Content has to be king #editorchat

[21:42:51] JDEbberly: RT @JaySlacks: @JaneFriedman Q3 I think the new revision of Newsweek is a good example of the proper changes needed. #editorchat

[21:43:03] judywriter: @cursingeditor Very true. I gave a talk on SM to a bus. group w/ a handout & told ‘em it’s a snapshot, guaranteed to change. #editorchat

[21:43:07] GLHancock: @dodgemedlin When Signonsandiego.com first appeared, you had to buy a subscription to access at least the archive #editorchat

[21:43:11] JaneFriedman: @milehighfool I think the newspaper model and mag model will end up very different from each other #editorchat

[21:43:29] milehighfool: Q3: I think the problem is that you can’t ask readers to pay for *everything* online, just the truly unique content. #editorchat

[21:43:31] shortformernie: rt @JMegonigal Days of paying for news are long gone. Paying for insight, in-depth, new looks, advice, etc. – $$ still there #editorchat

[21:43:42] LydiaBreakfast: @JaneFriedman how do you see them differing? #editorchat

[21:43:51] JMegonigal: To move to subscription based mag, offer subscribers MORE than newsstand/online readers. Make them your tribe, a la Seth Godin #editorchat

[21:44:00] dodgemedlin: @GLHancock Interesting. I know a lot of places at least talked about $ for archives. Didn’t know the U-T had done it. #editorchat

[21:44:05] judywriter: @GinaLaGuardia The minute I saw the pic I knew the article was written by a Gen X’er. Just doesn’t get us. Only we get us! #editorchat

[21:44:05] sooutdoors: RT @JMegonigal: Think the days of paying for news are gone. Paying for insight, in-depth, new looks, advice -Â $$ still there. #editorchat

[21:44:40] SpecialDee: #editorchat What are communities going 2 do when advertisers won’t support the cost of a supplement for school bus routes?

[21:44:52] shortformernie: @milehighfool You got it. I think the idea is structuring unique content in ways that people will pay for it. #editorchat

[21:45:10] JaneFriedman: @spencerspellman Content must aggregate from masses of content, or offer trust/authority, or have a quality that’s value for $$ #editorchat

[21:45:18] milehighfool: @JaneFriedman Mostly agree. I think we’ll see tiers of content based on form, geography, interest, etc. #editorchat

[21:46:05] Brendacopeland: @marciamarcia I don’t think it will be just one model, though. I think it will happen in increments. #editorchat

[21:46:26] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @JaneFriedman Mostly agree. I think we’ll see tiers of content based on form, geography, interest, etc. #editorchat

[21:46:34] JaySlacks: @JaneFriedman I’m not sure if sub-driven is reliable enough. However, it could give them pressure for interesting content. #editorchat

[21:46:36] spencerspellman: @milehighfool I agree about your comment about paying for truly unique content for subscribers #editorchat

[21:46:37] milehighfool: Q3: I’m not sure we’ve ever generated a mechanism for measuring value in publishing. Circulation doesn’t equal value. #editorchat

[21:46:37] JaneFriedman: @LydiaBreakfast Right now most news models are horizontal (broad); valuable news will be more vertical, like great mags #editorchat

[21:46:50] GinaLaGuardia: @shortformernie Good point. With so much out there, making content alluring enough to charge for it the great challenge #editorchat

[21:47:22] spencerspellman: @JaneFriedman Yes I completely agree. Well stated! #editorchat

[21:47:30] booksandcorsets: @MicheleBlueston It’s not a generational thing, it’s a who has the power to make the decisions. CEOs are of all generations #editorchat

[21:47:35] LydiaBreakfast: @judywriter Not necessarily, I’m an Xer, my dad is a boomer (and Woodstock hippie) I totally get not all of you are like that. #editorchat

[21:47:43] spencerspellman: RT @JaneFriedman Content must aggregate from masses of content, or offer trust/authority, or have a quality that’s value for $$ #editorchat

[21:48:02] wordful: @shortformernie @milehighfool Agreed, but there seems to lack a team effort on this. Hard for individual publishers to keep up #editorchat

[21:48:05] milehighfool: Can we as writers do anything to help push these innovations? It’s our responsibility to close the generation gap, yes? #editorchat

[21:48:11] JMegonigal: RT @milehighfool: not sure we’ve ever generated a mechanism for measuring value in publishing. Circulation doesn’t equal value. #editorchat

[21:48:19] sooutdoors: #editorchat I have to scoot. As always a great exchange with great moderators. Drop by and visit at http://www.sooutdoors.ca

[21:48:26] JaneFriedman: @JaySlacks Being sub-driven means MUCH higher sub prices, in many cases. Circs are artificially high to support ad dollars #editorchat

[21:48:37] spencerspellman: @milehighfool What do you think is the measure of value? #editorchat

[21:48:39] JaySlacks: @Brendacopeland I think there are many people that fail in business because they are horrible at being greedy. #editorchat

[21:49:13] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Thanks Lloyd have a great night! #editorchat

[21:49:17] judywriter: @LydiaBreakfast Thank heavens for that! I was listening to the Lettermen & Beach Boys during Woodstock. Big difference! LOL #editorchat

[21:49:32] marciamarcia: It’s not a generational thing, it’s who has the power to make the decisions. CEOs are of all generations. via @booksandcorsets #editorchat

[21:49:36] milehighfool: @spencerspellman Content that inspires action in some form. Action is measurable. #editorchat

[21:49:36] GLHancock: @milehighfool Why MUST we close the “generation gap”? #editorchat

[21:49:45] JMegonigal: @milehighfool Circulation equaling value is a MARKETING concept. Marketing = ads. Ads = Where the future does NOT lie. #editorchat

[21:49:49] GinaLaGuardia: @JDEbberly @shortformernie Vanna, can I buy an “IS?” –> “IS the great challenge.” Sigh. #editorchat

[21:49:57] thisdog: ) #buslines here #editorchat tweet them? @SpecialDee riding the bus is cool.

[21:50:21] judywriter: I’m staying out of the revenue discussion. #editorchat

[21:50:23] SpecialDee: #editorchat Community wants high school supplement of seniors & Top 10 but advertisers won’t support cost of printing/staff time. What then?

[21:51:00] milehighfool: @GinaLaGuardia Ah, yes. The price of real-time. It ensnares me all the time. #editorchat

[21:51:22] SpecialDee: @thisdog #editorchat And you would think advertisers would be lining up to advertise in a school bus schedule that 70% of community reads.

[21:51:29] GinaLaGuardia: I’m seeing this model work for clients -> RT @milehighfool: Content that inspires action in some form. Action is measurable. #editorchat

[21:51:42] JaySlacks: @milehighfool I don’t think its our responsibility, but I think good writers will push these innovations naturally and hopfully #editorchat

[21:51:47] GinaLaGuardia: @milehighfool Makes me twitch #editorchat

[21:52:17] spencerspellman: @milehighfool That’s a great way to put it. I’m a big fan of writing in a call to action style. #editorchat

[21:52:22] CurtMonash: Am I late to #editorchat? Anyhow, I have much monetization/media-future stuff up at www.texttechnologies.com

[21:52:31] milehighfool: Killjoy warning. At 9:55 pm we’ll open it back up for introductions a link if you’d like. #editorchat

[21:52:42] hinder: RT: @ GLHancock Why MUST we close the “generation gap”? #editorchat I agree each gen has insights to add, we need it all.

[21:52:58] JMegonigal: @SpecialDee If community = readers, isn’t it pub’s “duty” to serve reader?If ads won’t pay, still doesn’t change the bottom line #editorchat

[21:53:07] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Killjoy warning. At 9:55 pm we’ll open it back up for introductions a link if you’d like. #editorchat

[21:53:15] merylkevans: @milehighfool Dang! These chats go way too fast! #editorchat

[21:53:41] dawndsokol: What gets me is that better technology was supposed to help w/ costs, yet it’s STILL unfeasible to think newspapers can profit.#editorchat

[21:53:43] CurtMonash: #editorchat I think it’s proven that nobody knows the One Right Revenue model. Different ways will work for different pubs.

[21:53:57] JMegonigal: @milehighfool I’m selling “Electrocute the Killjoy” t-shirts in the back of the room #editorchat

[21:53:59] merylkevans: RT: @ GLHancock Why MUST we close the “generation gap”? We don’t! Even generations have diversity within. #editorchat

[21:54:00] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR Certainly online. Say I write a story about a stock and you then click to rate it in CAPS. Value was created. #editorchat

[21:54:01] LydiaBreakfast: Just for the record, no one said anything about having to close the gen. gap – only here to discuss best practices #editorchat

[21:54:21] JaneFriedman: @JMegonigal Agree, the publication’s duty is to ALWAYS serve the reader. Need genuine value, engagement, authenticity #editorchat

[21:54:49] JaneFriedman: RT @CurtMonash: #editorchat I think it’s proven that nobody knows the One Right Revenue model. Different ways will work for different pubs.

[21:55:00] JDEbberly: @merylkevans Time flies when you’re havin’ fun in Editorchat #editorchat

[21:55:32] shortformernie: My last tweet didn’t go through, but we should definitely team up, bloggers. Why not? We all think the same way. (thx @wordful) #editorchat

[21:55:34] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal Ha ha ha! #editorchat

[21:55:42] milehighfool: @JMegonigal DM me for an address. I want one. #editorchat

[21:55:43] bweikle: @milehighfool Tricky thing with micropayments, etc., would we all have to get together like OPEC leaders & say “OK charge now!”? #editor

[21:55:55] CitiesCheap: RT @JaneFriedman @JMegonigal Agree, publication’s duty to ALWAYS serve the reader. Need genuine value, engagement, authenticity #editorchat

[21:55:58] spencerspellman: Alright folks, thanks for letting me popin for a few. Good night! #editorchat

[21:56:06] thisdog: #editorchat where are bus ridership numbers locally? Up or down? Has free fare friday helped? Infrastructure needs unanswered? @SpecialDee

[21:56:06] CurtMonash: #editorchat In fact, think in business silos. Different parts of a newspaper may evolve in different business-model directions.

[21:56:23] milehighfool: @bweikle Right, like the airlines. Not the best example of a model to follow. #editorchat

[21:56:36] JDEbberly: RT @CurtMonash: #editorchat In fact, think in business silos. Different parts of a newspaper may evolve in different business-model dire …

[21:56:50] shortformernie: @milehighfool I was stuck in an airport for six hours Sunday. *gah* #editorchat

[21:57:03] LydiaBreakfast: OK kids, don’t forget that editorchat will be back for more fun next week, and you can catch up with the transcript on the blog #editorchat

[21:57:03] CitiesCheap: HA! Feels like it: RT @bweikle “with micropayments, would we all have to get together like OPEC leaders & say “OK charge now!”?&quo

[21:57:09] GLHancock: All this bodes even narrower niches. Is that good, bad, neither? #editorchat

[21:57:14] JMegonigal: @milehighfool Sure. Just hit your F6 button…. ::bwah hah hah ha: #editorchat

[21:57:30] JDEbberly: RT @GLHancock: All this bodes even narrower niches. Is that good, bad, neither? #editorchat

[21:57:39] jenwillis: Sorry I missed #editorchat today.

[21:57:42] hotspringer: Speaking of records: American Idol melts generation gap. Emerging voices paired w/ mature. Audience engaged. Sponsors elated. #editorchat

[21:57:47] milehighfool: Well, it’s that time. Great chat everyone. Stay as long as you’d like but now’s the time for reintros and a link. #editorchat

[21:57:47] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s all re-intro ourselves and give links to your pubs #editorchat

[21:57:57] SpecialDee: #editorchat Newspapers are in business.

[21:57:59] JaneFriedman: @GLHancock Niches are good! That’s the future, anyway. #editorchat

[21:58:08] wordful: @shortformernie I’m thinking the same way. Team effort among bloggers who understand, appreciate new and old publishing models #editorchat

[21:58:42] waltyates: Night #editorchat friends!

[21:58:50] shortformernie: Ernie Smith, editor of ShortFormBlog @ http://shortformblog.com/  e-mail me at info@shortformblog.com if you wanna team up #editorchat

[21:58:59] SuburbNews: Interesting RT@CurtMonash think in business silos. Different parts of newspaper may evolve in different business-model direction #editorchat

[21:59:04] LydiaBreakfast: @waltyates Good night Walt thanks for coming #editorchat

[21:59:06] milehighfool: @hotspringer (Applause.) Now *that’s* the way to close. #editorchat

[21:59:10] SpecialDee: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Great #editorchat 2nite and thanks for moderating. Special Sections Editor, Maine.

[21:59:12] wordful: @GLHancock Narrower niches = better #editorchat

[21:59:19] shortformernie: I also work at the Wash. Post Express, too, BTW, so I hopefully know my stuff. #editorchat

[21:59:20] CurtMonash: #editorchat There are surely synergies across niches, but generalist pubs must become niche boutiques.

[21:59:21] JMegonigal: Jordana Megonigal, editor-in-chief of Upstate S.C. biz publication www.insideblackbox.com #editorchat

[21:59:35] milehighfool: @shortformernie You’ll be hearing from me for sure, Ernie. #editorchat

[21:59:49] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie ‘night Ernie, you are just full of great tweets #editorchat

[21:59:52] JDEbberly: JD Ebberly out of DCA;writes pieces on blogging & new media. This the only link you need: http://editorchat.wordpress.com/ #editorchat

[21:59:58] JaneFriedman: Thx everyone – Jane Friedman, Publisher/Editorial Director, Writer’s Digest. http://www.janefriedman.com #editorchat

[22:00:01] CitiesCheap: Night, all. Jennifer Maciejewski, Atlanta-based writer. www.CitiesOnTheCheap.com #editorchat

[22:00:01] foleymo: I’m an ex-journalist and current copy editor at a PR agency — http://waggeneredstrom.com | Love lurking on conversation at #editorchat

[22:00:05] GLHancock: @JaneFriedman @wordful Maybe the future is good, but niches did me out of a good career, I suspect. #editorchat

[22:00:08] booksandcorsets: Thanks for hosting #editorchat, it’s always entertaining! Alyssa Smith of Hearst Books; sterlingpublishing.com

[22:00:08] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal I’m gettting back to work now #editorchat

[22:00:30] JMegonigal: Interesting addition to tonight’s chat. 40% of Gen Ys want to work in New Media (NOT old media!) http://bit.ly/P6KBT #editorchat

[22:00:32] LydiaBreakfast: @JaneFriedman Thanks for coming Jane #editorchat

[22:00:42] milehighfool: @JaneFriedman Thanks, Jane. See you next week. #editorchat

[22:00:50] Brendacopeland: @JaneFriedman Thank you! That was my first #editorchat and I was a little slow, but it was fun. Do you do it every week?

[22:00:51] LydiaBreakfast: @booksandcorsets Alyssa, thanks so much #editorchat

[22:00:52] shortformernie: @milehighfool Please do, man! Please do. #editorchat

[22:00:53] merylkevans: meryl.net, Webworkerdaily.com, others. Alwys looking 2connect w folks not breaking these commandments http://bit.ly/8qUbh #editorchat

[22:00:55] GLHancock: writer/editor/websites for writers at http://www.writers-edge.info and hancockwebsites.com #editorchat

[22:01:01] CurtMonash: #editorchat I’m a tech analyst/blogger/columnist. As a “hobby” I cover online media at http://bit.ly/mQnjZ

[22:01:15] hinder: Thanks everyone. #editorchat Katie – freelance writer, editor for teen mag, hip hop mag, and commercial real estate pub.

[22:01:16] wordful: Charles Bohannan, editor of http://wordful.com. You can contact me at charles-at-wordful.com or @Wordful on Twitter. #editorchat

[22:01:16] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast Better. I’m getting my whip out. It’s somewhere under all these “Electrocute the Killjoy” t-shirts #editorchat

[22:01:20] milehighfool: @booksandcorsets Thanks for participating and sharing your insights, Alyssa. #editorchat

[22:01:48] JDEbberly: THANKS to @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast and to everyone for another fantastic Editorchat! #editorchat

[22:01:54] GinaLaGuardia: Good night, #editorchat… Editorial director specializing in content syndication, SEO copywriting, lots more: http://www.ginalaguardia.com

[22:02:19] wordful: This is a great chat, mahalo (thanks) to @milehighfool and @lydiabreakfast for hosting us. We seem to be getting somewhere! #editorchat

[22:02:46] marciamarcia: Thnks for another great education on #editorchat. http://marciaconner.com, writer w/ FastCo+. Welcome editing & coaching opps on biz themes.

[22:03:19] acnatta: #editorchat I run a hyperlocal in Bham, AL, @bhamterminal | http://bit.ly/IX2J3 getting ready for a redesign too.

[22:04:13] SuburbNews: Reporter, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. And bad mom getting my kids to bed late. AGAIN. #editorchat

[22:04:41] milehighfool: Thanks again everyone. Tim Beyers, your co-host, Motley Fool tech contributor, defending freelancers at timbeyers.com #editorchat

Could this have anything to do with the social landscape of media? More specifically, we’re wondering if the gap is widening because of the philosophical differences between the old guard and the new school.  Interesting pieces on the generation gap in publishing can be found in Time Magazine, “When Gen X Rules the Workplace” and in Poynter Online where Kelly McBride tells Maureen Dowd to get with the (new) program in “Dowd Could Learn from the ‘Retweet’ Ethic, Giving Credit Where it’s Due.”

Let’s talk about the Generation Gap:

Do you see a cultural shift occurring as social media levels the playing field between old and new forms of thought?

Is the old business model based on ad revenue and subscriptions so ingrained in the collective mindset of veterans that there is no room for creating a fresh (read: sustainable and profitable approach)?

Editors: How do you view other publications?  Are they competition for ad dollars and content? Why or why not?

Writers: How do you handle exclusive content?  Is it important to you to be first with a story, or will you be satisfied with telling the best story?

You may also enjoy Newsweek’s piece “Can Anything Save Magazines?” which argues for a return of the premium model in publishing.

If you have any other thoughts or questions, do drop us a line in the comment box.  See you all on Wednesday night, 8:30pm EST.

[20:31:58] LydiaBreakfast: Please introduce yourselves and tell us what you do #editorchat

[20:32:57] SpecialDee: Looking forward to it: RT @LydiaBreakfast: discuss “The Content Divide” #editorchat

[20:33:11] JDEbberly: Hello everyone. I’m JD Ebberly and I write pieces on blogging and new media. I love this chat !! #Editorchat

[20:33:12] jennipps: Hi, everyone! Jen, fl writer from south Oklahoma. Write for TutorialBlog, OWFI Report, WritingforDollars, etc. #editorchat

[20:33:14] JMegonigal: Jordana Megonigal, editor of Business mag in Upstate S.C. and local publishing co. #editorchat

[20:33:23] SpecialDee: Special Sections editor in Maine #editorchat

[20:33:33] LydiaBreakfast: hello to already assembled chatters @shortformernie @beckydmbr @jennipps @katpowers @travelswithjenn @specialdee #editorchat

[20:33:37] KatPowers: Editor, Boston area #editorchat

[20:34:06] wordful: Aloha, I’m Charles Bohannan of Wordful from Hawaii. I’m an editor, writer and blogger, small business owner. #editorchat

[20:34:12] deegospel: Hi, I’m Dee Stewart. Contributing Editor for various Christian Entertainment publications. Blogger, PR, former journ #editorchat

[20:34:26] LydiaBreakfast: @JDebberly and @jmegonigal welcome #editorchat

[20:34:33] LydiaBreakfast: @deegospel Hi Dee #editorchat

[20:34:43] LydiaBreakfast: @wordful Aloha friend #editorchat

[20:35:06] milehighfool: Made it. Sorry I’m late, editorchatters. #editorchat

[20:35:08] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Like your new photo #editorchat

[20:35:19] travelswithjenn: Jennifer Netherby, freelance writer from Portland, Or. I write about entertainment and technology #editorchat

[20:35:22] hinder: Hey. I’m Katie a freelance writer/editor for a number of pubs and websites. Based in the Midwest now. #editorchat

[20:35:25] milehighfool: Glad everyone could make it. #editorchat

[20:35:31] shortformernie: What’s up yo? Ernie Smith, designer at Wash. Post Express, editor of ShortFormBlog (http://shortformblog.com/) And I wear hats! #editorchat

[20:35:34] retheauditors: Francine McKenna in Chicago, Author and Editor of http://retheauditors a blog focused on the business of the Big 4 audit firms #editorchat

[20:35:46] AndyBumatai: RT @Wordful: Aloha, I’m Charles Bohannan of Wordful from Hawaii. I’m an editor, writer and blogger, small business owner. #editorchat

[20:35:47] LydiaBreakfast: @hinder Hi Katie! #editorchat

[20:35:49] thewritermama: Hi, my name is Christina Katz, I’m an author, speaker, writing instructor and the pub/ed of three e-zines. (waving) #editorchat

[20:35:50] JaneFriedman: Hi everyone – Publisher/Editorial Director of Writer’s Digest at F+W Media #editorchat

[20:35:52] KBordessa: Kris Bordessa, family, fun and travel writer for nationals as well as author of several books. Will try to keep up! #editorchat

[20:35:57] LydiaBreakfast: @retheauditors So glad you came! #editorchat

[20:36:02] ErikSherman: I’m Erik Sherman, freelance print journalist, blogger at BNET, editor, book author, photographer #editorchat

[20:36:04] milehighfool: Keep introducing yourselves as you join. I’ll get us going with the rules. #editorchat

[20:36:13] Single_Shot: Hey folks. Diane Mapes, your friendly neighborhood freelance writer from Seattle, covering health, lifestyle & the singles beat #editorchat

[20:36:19] LydiaBreakfast: @JaneFriedman Hi Jane – thanks so much for joining us #editorchat

[20:36:30] merylkevans: Typing from windy Plano, Texas, where I do everything words — write, edit, research and play. #editorchat

[20:36:35] LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot Yay! #editorchat

[20:36:42] milehighfool: Jabe, Christina, Francine, Erik — welcome. #editorchat

[20:36:51] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Welcome, please pass the potstickers #editorchat

[20:37:01] TamarahLand: Hello all, TL here. I am a freelance writer and blogger #editorchat

[20:37:07] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans Hello Texas Meryl #editorchat

[20:37:12] jennipps: @merylkevans Meryl, I didn’t realize you’re in Plano. We’re practically neighbors. lol. I’m in Ada, OK. About 3-ish hours away. #editorchat

[20:37:15] milehighfool: Jabe? Ugh. *Jane*. Sticky fingers — sorry about that. #editorchat

[20:37:15] littlebrownpen: Hi all. Nichole Robertson, freelance writer currently working on a few travel and Paris lifestyle pieces #editorchat

[20:37:22] LydiaBreakfast: @KBordessa Kris, thanks for coming #editorchat

[20:37:38] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast Thanx — will try to earn that “yay!” ; ) #editorchat

[20:37:42] LydiaBreakfast: @TamarahLand TL thanks for coming tonight #editorchat

[20:38:00] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Hiya Nichole #editorchat

[20:38:02] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:03] KBordessa: @LydiaBreakfast I often pop in to watch, but keeping up at dinner time is hard! #editorchat

[20:38:27] merylkevans: @jennipps Howdy there, neighbor! Excuse me while I go into a silent rendition of Oklahoma! I can’t help it! #editorchat

[20:38:27] milehighfool: Rule No. 1 Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:38:31] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast Hi! Really looking forward to tonight’s #editorchat #editorchat

[20:38:38] LydiaBreakfast: @KBordessa in and out is fine too, just glad you are here #editorchat

[20:38:55] milehighfool: Rule No. 2 Stay on topic. #editorchat

[20:39:01] jennipps: @merylkevans lol. Heck, sometimes even I do it. Though often not-so-silent. #editorchat

[20:39:25] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat

[20:39:57] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:39:58] deegospel: Hi, Twuddies. For the next 1/2 hour I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.

[20:40:16] merylkevans: @jennipps Well, I’m tone deaf. Actually, completely deaf. So I’d only embarrass myself and make everyone mad in my household. #editorchat

[20:40:27] jennipps: @milehighfool I know I’m weird, but this is my favorite rule. lol. #editorchat

[20:40:46] merylkevans: Busy with @smallbizchat and @editorchat. If I am making you crazy… just hit http://twittersnooze.com/ for a day. #editorchat

[20:40:49] milehighfool: And a new rule — no. 5: Refer to the question number when commenting. Q1, Q2, etc. #editorchat

[20:41:05] LydiaBreakfast: For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.RT @deegospel #editorchat

[20:41:20] milehighfool: @jennipps Mine too, Jen. Mine too #editorchat

[20:41:29] jennipps: @merylkevans I thought I’d seen where you had mentioned that sometime before. #editorchat

[20:41:54] milehighfool: For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.RT @deegospel

[20:41:55] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s give everyone a couple more minutes to introduce before we start the Qs #editorchat

[20:41:58] JDEbberly: @merylkevans It’s really tough trying to follow TWO chats simultaneously #Editorchat

[20:41:59] KatPowers: will be hyper-chatting with editors. Think about http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep, via @deegospel #editorchat

[20:41:59] JMegonigal: Hey tweeps…for the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep!

[20:42:04] hinder: RT For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.

[20:42:23] jennipps: @milehighfool I always laugh a little and think if it were only possible… #editorchat

[20:42:46] merylkevans: @JDEbberly Not really. I have TweetChat open in two tabs. One for #smallbizchat and one for #editorchat

[20:43:01] Hergett: Missing out on #editorchat for a birthday celebration. Happy-sad.

[20:43:31] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Happy birthday wishes, sorry you won’t be with us #editorchat

[20:43:34] milehighfool: @Hergett Happy Birthday — we’ll see you next time. #editorchat

[20:43:36] jennipps: @Hergett Aww. Well, happy birthday to the birthday boy/girl. #editorchat

[20:43:44] ErikSherman: I’m on #editorchat for the next hour or so. Use http://www.twitttersnooze.com to ignore my tweets

[20:43:46] JaneFriedman: For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.

[20:43:49] dodgemedlin: Hey all. Mark Dodge Medlin of the San Diego U-T, stopping by #editorchat, where I’ll probably mostly lurk. #editorchat

[20:43:52] KBordessa: @merylkevans Wow – I can barely keep up w/one and you’re watching two?? #editorchat

[20:44:17] LydiaBreakfast: @dodgemedlin Mark, welcome. Don’t be shy #editorchat

[20:44:41] SpecialDee: I like to follow chats in TweetDeck by doing a search for #editorchat which creates a column of chat tweets. How do you follow the chat?

[20:44:47] wetzeledit: Howdy. Not sure if I can keep up but will try to pop in. Wendy Wetzel, freelance copyeditor. #editorchat

[20:44:49] shortformernie: @dodgemedlin Greetings, man. #editorchat

[20:44:57] GLHancock: Newbie to #editorchat, but not to editing. Please be patient with me. #editorchat

[20:45:05] hotspringer: Good evening. I’m Rebecca McCormick, multimedia travel writer from Hot Springs, Ark. #editorchat

[20:45:13] Single_Shot: Don’t know if it’s something I said (typed?), but the twittersnooze website isn’t opening for me. #editorchat

[20:45:36] merylkevans: @KBordessa Well, maybe it helps I am on a laptop sitting up in my comfy bedroom with the right lighting away from noisy kids. #editorchat

[20:46:07] deegospel: URL Change: Put me on http://www.twittersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep. #editorchat

[20:46:08] Jenbenjenben: Another newbie here, too. Longtime editor turned SAHM starting to freelance again. #editorchat

[20:46:10] LydiaBreakfast: So talking about the content divide, you know amid cutbacks is a stated desire among some publishers to produce more content #editorchat

[20:46:14] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Wha? Why in the world would you want to put *us* on snooze? Think of the spit-takes you’ll miss. #editorchat

[20:46:29] LydiaBreakfast: @GLHancock Hi there, welcome. Join in as you can #editorchat

[20:46:35] shortformernie: @Single_Shot thre were three ts in the link; take one out. #editorchat

[20:46:35] JDEbberly: @GLHancock You’re welcome to join us here at Editorchat, GL! #Editorchat

[20:46:50] LydiaBreakfast: @Jenbenjenben Excellent thanks for joining #editorchat

[20:46:56] dodgemedlin: @shortformernie Hey Ernie. How goes it? #editorchat

[20:47:00] JDEbberly: @Jenbenjenben Welcome to Editorchat, Jen! Glad you’ve dropped by tonight #Editorchat

[20:47:00] deegospel: @Single_Shot the url is http://www.twittersnooze.com my bad #editorchat

[20:47:18] milehighfool: @Jenbenjenben Glad you could make it. Welcome. #editorchat

[20:47:49] KatPowers: RT @deegospel @Single_Shot the url is http://www.twittersnooze.com my bad #editorchat #editorchat

[20:48:24] LydiaBreakfast: Talking about content, we know that community is a way to bridge the emerging content divide, where few writers are doing more #editorchat

[20:48:24] rjreports: Hi! I’m actually a writer, on staff at the San Diego Reader … Hopefully I’m still welcome #editorchat

[20:48:40] luckychica: Hello Everyone. First time on #editorchat. Former journo, now freelance writer/editor and captain of my own site for women. #editorchat

[20:48:43] Single_Shot: @milehighfool Never! Just hadn’t seen the site & wanted to suss it out. It’s working now (thanks to RT). #editorchat

[20:48:52] LitChat: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Let’s give everyone a couple more minutes to introduce before we start the Qs #editorchat

[20:48:53] shortformernie: @dodgemedlin OK, just working my butt off per ush. #editorchat

[20:49:12] Single_Shot: @KatPowers Thanks! #editorchat

[20:49:12] milehighfool: Right. We’re seeing a lot of evidence of a widening content divide in all areas of publiishing. #editorchat

[20:49:14] LydiaBreakfast: Q #1 Editors: Are you to trying to find new ways to generate more content, even with mandates to cut staff ? #editorchat

[20:49:36] dodgemedlin: @rjreports Hey there. Well, you edit yourself, don’t you? #editorchat

[20:49:53] LydiaBreakfast: @rjreports Absolutely – thanks for coming! #editorchat

[20:50:18] SuburbNews: Reporter, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Like past couple weeks, I’ll be flitting betw #editorchat, giving son a bath, taping LOST #editorchat

[20:50:25] KatPowers: Q1 Yes. Thought for a while all content was good, but that’s not really the case, is it? #editorchat

[20:50:31] rjreports: @dodgemedlin Sure do! LOL. #editorchat

[20:50:38] Single_Shot: @luckychica Welcome Cap’n! #editorchat

[20:50:42] rjreports: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! #editorchat

[20:50:48] Booklorn: Ah poo. I’m always about to eat dinner when #editorchat starts up.

[20:50:52] milehighfool: We’re talking about all editors here. Magazine and newspaper cuts have made headlines but we sense book eds. are feeling it too #editorchat

[20:50:55] jennipps: @rjreports Absolutely welcome. Good to see you here. #editorchat

[20:50:58] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Right. We’re seeing a lot of evidence of a widening content divide in all areas of publiishing. #editorchat #Editorchat

[20:50:58] JaneFriedman: Q1. Rather than generate all-new content, big push to re-purpose existing content in different ways, in different media. #editorchat

[20:51:02] LydiaBreakfast: @SuburbNews Hello! Thanks for multi-tasking #editorchat

[20:51:26] LydiaBreakfast: @JaneFriedman And how do you approach this? #editorchat

[20:51:34] JMegonigal: Q1- Absolutely. Do more with less. Lots of interns, lots of work for editor. #editorchat.

[20:51:35] milehighfool: @SuburbNews Multitasker. (Grin.) #editorchat

[20:51:44] SmetanasGlasses: Hi, all. #editorchat I’m late, but am a freelance writer in NYC, writing about food, Prague, publishing, and occasionally about dumplings.

[20:51:53] KatPowers: Can you help? Explain “content divide” #editorchat

[20:52:03] hinder: Q1. for teen site we are trying to create more but shorter content to drive eyes but not tie up time. #editorchat

[20:52:10] SuburbNews: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks, Lydia #editorchat

[20:52:13] LydiaBreakfast: @SmetanasGlasses Welcome #editorchat

[20:52:18] RandyCowling: Yes…the push for content is for a variety of projects – print, online, special scts and magazines #editorchat

[20:52:18] milehighfool: @JaneFriedman Re-issuing updated versions of classic ediitions? Have a recent example? #editorchat

[20:52:18] luckychica: @Single_Shot Thanks! good to “see” you #editorchat

[20:52:30] JMegonigal: Q1- Necessary to give readers MORE and MORE to stay above the noise and keep from fading out like other pubs/papers… #editorchat

[20:52:34] SmetanasGlasses: For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.

[20:52:40] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers produce more content with less staff and resources #editorchat

[20:52:53] milehighfool: When we talk about this we wonder if our editors — all of them — are going a little crazy. #editorchat

[20:53:11] rachelcw: Hi all, I’m Rachel Weingarten – author/freelance writer with a day job in marketing & promotions. #editorchat

[20:53:14] rjreports: @jennipps Yay! Thank you #editorchat

[20:53:31] JaneFriedman: Q1. E.g., think of different ways to repurpose a book – sell it chapter-by-chapter (digitally), have courses based on book, etc #editorchat

[20:53:45] LydiaBreakfast: @rachelcw Hiya Rachel #editorchat

[20:53:54] milehighfool: @KatPowers Sure. Content divide refers to increasing demand for content put upon smaller staffs and lower budgets. #editorchat

[20:54:03] ErikSherman: Q1: What are the quality consequences of “give us more with a lot fewer resources”? #editorchat

[20:54:05] BourkePR: Hi all, Kevin here from @BourkePR…can a PR guy join the conversation? #editorchat

[20:54:08] JaneFriedman: Q1. Or … book content is adapted for magazine. Magazine content compiled into books. #editorchat

[20:54:20] dodgemedlin: Q1 I guess part of the question is, would you rather have more content or better content? Or can you do both? #editorchat

[20:54:25] rachelcw: Hi Lydia, hi all- I’ve missed you the past few weeks! #editorchat

[20:54:26] JMegonigal: @milehighfool How much do you REALLY have to wonder (if the editors are crazy?) #editorchat

[20:54:35] LydiaBreakfast: @JaneFriedman Seems like we are going back to Dickensian serial publishing #editorchat

[20:54:45] jennipps: @JaneFriedman About courses based on book – would that somehow/sometimes revert to the writer or would that be done in-house? #editorchat

[20:54:55] littlebrownpen: @JaneFriedman I know a few bloggers who are repurposing blog content #editorchat

[20:54:58] deegospel: q1: there is a need for more content, spesh content that can translate to digital in order to keep up #editorchat

[20:55:00] milehighfool: @JaneFriedman Almost like a freelancer that repurposes and resells content. A time-tested strategy. #editorchat

[20:55:06] LydiaBreakfast: @BourkePR Hi Kevin, you are welcome to observe #editorchat

[20:55:11] deegospel: q1: on top of that there is the stress of providing unique content also #editorchat

[20:55:11] SmetanasGlasses: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! #editorchat

[20:55:23] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Hahahahahahaha. Point taken. #editorchat

[20:55:41] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast I had the same thought (Dickensian serial publishing) last night! #editorchat

[20:55:41] KatPowers: RT@ JMegonigal @milehighfool How much do you REALLY have to wonder (if the editors are crazy?) #editorchat

[20:55:44] rjreports: Q1 As a freelance journo, I’m seeing that folks want A) more content for B) much less. #editorchat

[20:55:45] milehighfool: @dodgemedlin Exactly, Mark. That’s the divide — can it be crossed? #editorchat

[20:55:45] merylkevans: @littlebrownpen I have almost nine years of blog entries — not all can be repurposed, but I do look at them for ideas. #editorchat

[20:56:11] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Except publications are more frequently looking for all rights to keep freelancers from doing that. #editorchat

[20:56:26] rachelcw: @LydiaBreakfast what’s interesting is how the biz evolved since & has devolved once again, perhaps serialization could work now #editorchat

[20:56:44] SpecialDee: Q1 No directives here to do more with less. #editorchat

[20:56:47] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman right, there are quality consequences of “give us more with a lot fewer resources” #editorchat

[20:56:49] bobbbyg: @rachelcw Hi Rachel – I’m Rob Gould a new media/pr strategist working in the advertising industry #editorchat

[20:56:52] TimOBrienNYT: howdy #editorchat

[20:56:59] jennipps: @rjreports Q1 – I’ve noticed that too. Sometimes I willing to do the more for less, but not always. #editorchat

[20:57:05] SuburbNews: Q1: Absolutely do more with less. Agree w/@deegospel about more frequent online updates – we’re all AP now – blogs, twitter etal #editorchat

[20:57:09] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Yes. I’ve seen that as well. Sign of the economic times? #editorchat

[20:57:12] dodgemedlin: @milehighfool I think it can be crossed, but there’s nothing wrong with part of your “content” being outbound links. #editorchat

[20:57:18] BourkePR: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! It’s valuable to hear what you guys r going thru. My view is, ppl like me should be here to help… #editorchat

[20:57:22] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Brilliant you are a lucky duck #editorchat

[20:57:24] JaneFriedman: @LydiaBreakfast Dickensian is a very apt term. Just look at success of DailyLit! iPhones/mobile devices driving this. #editorchat

[20:57:26] littlebrownpen: @rachelcw I agree. I’ve actually considered it for a project I am working on. #editorchat

[20:57:44] rjreports: @jennipps Me too. Sometimes I have to. Though I do remind myself that I have to eat. Yanno? #editorchat

[20:57:50] milehighfool: @JaneFriedman That seems like something writers could benefit from. A win-win. Does it create more work? #editorchat

[20:58:00] GLHancock: Biz iz devolving in terms of pay, too. #editorchat

[20:58:01] JMegonigal: From an editor’s POV, we are doing much more for far less, too…it’s not just the writers. Goes all the way through. #editorchat

[20:58:12] JDEbberly: @TimOBrienNYT Hi there, Tim. Welcome to Editorchat! Glad to have you this evening. #Editorchat

[20:58:24] milehighfool: RT @dodgemedlin: I think it can be crossed, but there’s nothing wrong with part of your “content” being outbound links. (Amen.) #editorchat

[20:58:30] JaneFriedman: @jennipps We always prefer to work with authors when creating courses based on books. Sometimes authors too busy/not interested. #editorchat

[20:58:30] rachelcw: @littlebrownpen I think the key would be to keep it from becoming too advertorial (as it was initially) too much crossover as is #editorchat

[20:58:34] LydiaBreakfast: Friendly reminder to all newbies: we love our PR tweeps and they are welcome to observe but we want the writers and eds to talk #editorchat

[20:58:52] JMegonigal: Less ads = less money = more pressure to be better than competition (to stay alive) = more work/content #editorchat

[20:58:55] DavidRozansky: #editorchat Please push for people to reply with r as first character, for #fixreplies situation, especially in discussion groups.

[20:59:03] JaneFriedman: @littlebrownpen That’s another huge area – repurposing blog stuff. If it’s good enough for Seth Godin … #editorchat

[20:59:08] KBordessa: RT @JMegonigal From an editor’s POV, we are doing much more for far less, too…it’s not just the writers. Goes all the way thru #editorchat

[20:59:14] jennipps: @rjreports Definitely & since I haven’t been seriously fl’ing for long, it’s like do I do it for the clip/experience + $ or not. #editorchat

[20:59:16] LatinoBookNews: @luckychica well tell us mor & let me highlight you on BronzeWord & b interviewed by Mayra&I’ll post you on her how abt it? 4got #editorch

[20:59:17] milehighfool: @TimOBrienNYT Hey Tim. First time in editorchat for you, I think. Welcome. #editorchat

[20:59:23] DavidRozansky: MY first #editorchat. AM I invited?

[20:59:26] shortformernie: Q1: My last paper, OH BOY, before it closed, it was getting clamped big time. Express has yet to feel the clamp. #editorchat

[20:59:29] hinder: @JMegonigal So true. All of a sudden I’m creating content, editing content, tweeting, blogging, dealing with interns… #editorchat

[21:00:06] milehighfool: RT @JaneFriedman:That’s another huge area – repurposing blog stuff. If it’s good enough for Seth Godin … #editorchat

[21:00:13] rjreports: @jennipps It’s a toss up. Money or more to add to the clip file. These days, I’m more about the money… #editorchat

[21:00:23] ChinaMatt: I really should get involved in a trending topic and I guess this is the best one for me–seeing as it’s my profession. #editorchat

[21:00:34] jennipps: @JaneFriedman On one hand, I can understand the too busy thing, but the not interested aspect of it boggles my mind. (I’m odd._ #editorchat

[21:00:37] TimOBrienNYT: @milehighfool good to partake! #editorchat

[21:00:37] LydiaBreakfast: @TimOBrienNYT Tim, noticed you are writing a book too, so chime in from the book and paper perspective if you can #editorchat

[21:00:41] shortformernie: Q1: At Link, our top editor wanted everyone to blog on top of all of their other duties, we didn’t replace our only photog, etc. #editorchat

[21:00:56] deegospel: @JMegonigal exactly I wrote a post about the decline of religious columns in local paper lack of ad dollars from faith based biz #editorchat

[21:01:03] milehighfool: Is another way to cross the divide to raise prices — set the bar for content high and then exceed? (Fingers crossed.) #editorchat

[21:01:26] LydiaBreakfast: @DavidRozansky yes you are #editorchat

[21:01:31] jennipps: @rjreports Understood. The day job is still a benefit so sometimes I can take the “for experience/less pay” things. #editorchat

[21:01:33] JaneFriedman: @milehighfool It does create more work, but one hopes it’s worth it. #editorchat

[21:01:33] journik: Tim, do you know any education legislators/journalists? I want’em to know: http://bit.ly/xGVpy RT @TimOBrienNYT: howdy #editorchat #hackedu

[21:01:42] GLHancock: Publishers offer jobs at less than a penny a word. For me, authors/writers don’t want to pay even one cent a word for editing. #editorchat

[21:01:53] SpecialDee: Q1 Special Sections produces over 65 themed supplements each year. I hire freelancers to write for most of them. #editorchat

[21:01:55] TimOBrienNYT: @milehighfool theme for the evening? #editorchat

[21:01:57] dodgemedlin: @milehighfool Alan Mutter (I think) suggested just that – treating newspapers as a niche product, and charging appropriately. #editorchat

[21:01:58] JMegonigal: @hinder Yep. We only assign features. Me and small team do ALL departments, unpaid experts write columns. BARE BONES. #editorchat

[21:02:18] shortformernie: Q1: I think blog content should be repurposed in print, big time. Sometimes, good editing is a matter of knowing what to steal. #editorchat

[21:02:18] ChinaMatt: @JMegonigal The more work/content going on in newspapers creates less in-depth articles and leads to more errors. #editorchat

[21:02:21] retheauditors: Thanks. Got distracted. Just published my blog to Kindle. I’ll get paid? RT @LydiaBreakfast: @retheauditors So glad you came! #editorchat

[21:02:39] littlebrownpen: @JMegonigal that must be incredibly frustrating. #editorchat

[21:02:42] milehighfool: @dodgemedlin Yes. Had a chance to interview him recently. Like his ideas. #editorchat

[21:02:52] TamarahLand: @DavidRozansky not having a problem seeing replies, though, without the “r” in front of the “@” #editorchat #fixreplies

[21:03:08] shortformernie: Q1: And being able to find content from blogs is killer — it’s one of those work smarter not harder things you can do. #editorchat

[21:03:16] wordful: Q1: Writing quality content consistently is a massive challenge. Here’s an example using Techcrunch: http://tiny.cc/MyU6b #editorchat

[21:03:27] JMegonigal: @milehighfool raise prices on what? Subs? Ads? #editorchat

[21:03:32] TimOBrienNYT: @shortformernie more complicated than just lifting if you want to build quality long term #editorchat

[21:04:01] JJtweets: Q1-As a freelance journo, I’ve seen rising demand for coverage ‘depth’ rather than ‘breadth’. Spending more time researching now #editorchat

[21:04:13] wordful: @shortformernie Oh yeah, that’s right Ernie. Geniuses steal and beggars borrow. #editorchat

[21:04:15] JaneFriedman: @milehighfool Mantra at F+W: raise prices, raise prices, raise prices. Works in some areas, not others, must be market approp. #editorchat

[21:04:21] hinder: We’re taking on more unpaid/barely paid interns. They blog, write little articles and drive eyes. Fills the void of real writers #editorchat

[21:04:28] LydiaBreakfast: Given my experience with @JMegonigal and her team, they are doing a bang up job does this mean we should always work w/ less? #editorchat

[21:04:29] maggierauch: seems that branching out into business and continuing to blog/write is more acceptable in the current media climate #editorchat

[21:04:48] milehighfool: @TimOBrienNYT Right. That’s the brand promise of the Times, which just raised prices. What about more in-depth? More features? #editorchat

[21:05:00] rjreports: @TimOBrienNYT Pardon my ignorance, but what branch of the Times do you work for? Comp too slow to google and chat… #editorchat

[21:05:02] JMegonigal: @ChinaMatt True – in papers. I’m in mags…we spend time to cover ourselves more. But same problem exists. #editorchat

[21:05:30] milehighfool: @JaneFriedman And matched to product, yes? In-depth features, detailed how-to books should command more. #editorchat

[21:05:48] ErikSherman: Q1: Blogging can serve as a development ground for topics and concepts. #editorchat

[21:05:55] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Anyone see the proposal to shut down original content from papers, wire services for a week? #editorchat

[21:05:59] shortformernie: @TimOBrienNYT Of course. But if you dig with a shovel rather than a bulldozer, it takes longer. #editorchat

[21:06:03] travelswithjenn: @JJtweets as a writer, I’m also noticing I have more time on stories because editors are aggregating a lot more #editorchat

[21:06:03] retheauditors: Q1 #editorchat I have millions of words on my blog. Repurposing by writing shorter, punchier pieces on same topic for HuffPost and others.

[21:06:09] JMegonigal: @littlebrownpen A bit. But we know how little we can work with — we can only move up from here. #editorchat

[21:06:31] shortformernie: @TimOBrienNYT However, you can’t get the details with the bulldozer. Really, you need both tools. #editorchat

[21:06:45] rachelcw: Publishers buried their heads in the sand instead of evolving and writers/editors/consumers are paying 4 their repeated mistakes #editorchat

[21:07:15] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast Absolutely NOT. Just know what you can do for a season while you make adjustments for the future. #editorchat

[21:07:16] DavidRozansky: r @TamarahLand Only of those you are following, though. Not on your follow list, not there. #editorchat #fixreplies

[21:07:22] milehighfool: @hinder Do they learn anything from it? My worry is that quick-hit writing is like compiling a box score. #editorchat

[21:07:23] JaneFriedman: @milehighfool Yes, in-depth content costs more, interactive/personalization costs more, immediacy costs more. #editorchat

[21:07:37] JMegonigal: @lydiabreakfast Mama ain’t running no non-profit, here… #editorchat

[21:07:43] hinder: @travelswithjenn true. One of the pubs I write for has be aggregating at least once a day. To get the news up fast. #editorchat

[21:07:46] retheauditors: Q1 Also planning to combine posts where I’ve written several times same topic into longer piece, a la Rolling Stones $AIG story #editorchat

[21:07:47] Single_Shot: @BeckyDMBR Have not seen the original content shutdown proposal. Do you have a link? #editorchat

[21:07:49] galleysmith: Q: What is the best way to break into the freelance market #editorchat

[21:07:53] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR No. Where is it? #editorchat

[21:08:01] deegospel: RT @JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast Absolutely NOT. Just know what you can do for a season while u make adjustments for the future. #editorchat

[21:08:03] LydiaBreakfast: @JaneFriedman The fact is some pubs are doing well with fewer resources, does that mean we should always operate this way? #editorchat

[21:08:04] AuldHouse: Q1 for my dayjob as an tech editor I’m now in charge of planning books, elearning, and courseware–3 jobs in 1 and source #editorchat

[21:08:46] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot I’ll go look. #editorchat

[21:08:54] hinder: @milehighfool No, the interns don’t learn much about writing as a result, unfortunately. But they do learn the importance of SM #editorchat

[21:09:05] DavidRozansky: Q1 #editorchat Flying Pen Press has no staff writers. We are 100% community driven. Weare moving away from slush pile to pick from Net.

[21:09:13] TimOBrienNYT: @milehighfool the Web works against feature to an extent. the whole notion of what a “feature” is has to evolve online #editorchat

[21:09:18] rachelcw: @galleysmith there is no one right way to break in, but joining a freelance group online is a great start #editorchat

[21:09:30] milehighfool: @galleysmith Hi there. Either Lydia or I would be happy to answer this for you outside this forum, which is an industry chat. #editorchat

[21:09:37] rjreports: @DavidRozansky ‘Slush pile.’ Haven’t heard this term in an AGE. #editorchat

[21:09:48] JMegonigal: @milehighfool Prob with raising prices is ppl are getting more used to free content. Won’t pay unless it is HIGH value to them. #editorchat

[21:09:51] JaneFriedman: @LydiaBreakfast Fewer resources can mean lower quality. You cut corners, do it “good enough.” Doesn’t help long-term survival. #editorchat

[21:10:16] milehighfool: @hinder You could argue that, in the age of the Web, SM skills are crucial for writing and reader engagement. #editorchat

[21:10:18] hinder: @LydiaBreakfast true. But while some pubs do well, in general our writing is getting watered down across the board. #editorchat

[21:10:32] maggierauch: @LydiaBreakfast Don’t think so. Will eventually lose talented people that way. #editorchat

[21:10:36] LydiaBreakfast: @JaneFriedman agreed, also feel the same about low pay for writers and editors #editorchat

[21:10:48] retheauditors: Fewer resources means I have a niche. There are no accounting industrybeat reporters anywhere in US. #editorchat

[21:10:48] JaneFriedman: @LydiaBreakfast It’s frustrating to experience tight resources when you know superior content is key to pushing thru the noise. #editorchat

[21:10:58] TimOBrienNYT: @rjreports i oversee the Sunday Business section of the Times and help oversee feature projects. and am writing a thriller. #editorchat

[21:11:09] milehighfool: @TimOBrienNYT Agreed. Most of my work is published on the Web and less than 800 words. #editorchat

[21:11:11] jennipps: @milehighfool A lot of people do argue that. I think there’s def something to be said for it. #editorchat

[21:11:11] GLHancock: For newpapers, fewer resources seems to mean less local coverage, which readers can get online. #editorchat

[21:11:22] hinder: @milehighfool Yup. I’m a firm believer that SM should be taught in our J schools and should be a normal part of a writers life. #editorchat

[21:11:41] deegospel: q1: @maggierauch I agree. I left the mag I wrote for 4 years ago, cuz they paid so little. I made more blogging #editorchat

[21:11:51] ChinaMatt: @retheauditors Wow, that is a niche market. Maybe I should start working in something like that. #editorchat

[21:11:53] DavidRozansky: r @JaneFriedman We ahve found that crowdsourcing RAISES the quality. #editorchat

[21:11:54] jennipps: RT @milehighfool @hinder You could argue that, in the age of the Web, SM skills are crucial for writing and reader engagement #editorchat

[21:12:03] rjreports: @TimOBrienNYT Sounds excellent on both counts. I love the Times, (am an NYC expat.) I know a guy over at the Culture Desk. #editorchat

[21:12:14] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Yes, but I feel as though this poorly-conceived wisdom. Have we really tried new things and asked for more? #editorchat

[21:12:25] wordful: In blogging, there’s no such thing as a “feature,” per se. Either it’s a long post or a short post. Each has its own merit. #editorchat

[21:12:41] retheauditors: @milehighfool I’ve re-blogged w/update some posts. My audience is growing like crazy and most don’t lok back to earlier posts. #editorchat

[21:13:13] TimOBrienNYT: @milehighfool brevity can work against more probing stuff. by and large, though, brevity is good. #editorchat

[21:13:17] JDEbberly: RT @hinder You could argue that, in the age of the Web, SM skills are crucial for writing and reader engagement #Editorchat

[21:13:17] JDEbberly: RT @hinder You could argue that, in the age of the Web, SM skills are crucial for writing and reader engagement #Editorchat

[21:13:32] retheauditors: Google any bank and word auditor… It’s neato RT @ChinaMatt: @retheauditors Wow, that is a niche market. … #editorchat

[21:14:00] JDEbberly: Sorry about the double Tweet #Editorchat

[21:14:09] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot Here’s the petition. http://bit.ly/mylKn Looking for video now. #editorchat

[21:14:10] LydiaBreakfast: @TimOBrienNYT The Times is one of the few papers left to really invest in long form, I think there is room for both #editorchat

[21:14:14] TimOBrienNYT: @rjreports we at the Times love that you love the Times. we love our readers! #editorchat

[21:14:23] milehighfool: @TimOBrienNYT No question. Twitter is a fine example. Yet I wonder in the age of Twitter we’ve lost good storytelling. #editorchat

[21:14:36] SpecialDee: Q1 I think we’ll see even more widespread use of RSS feeds: 4 editorial (news wires) and 4 advertorial; hard 2 find local RSS #editorchat

[21:14:37] littlebrownpen: Organizing blog posts so new readers have a true understanding of who you are and what you write about is a challenge. #editorchat

[21:14:43] deegospel: q1: @wordful it would depend on the blog. My features R integrated with my podcast, so my subscribers prep 4 more content #editorchat

[21:14:56] Single_Shot: @TimOBrienNYT It’s the soul of lingerie. ; ) #editorchat

[21:14:57] ErikSherman: @JaneFriedman The problem is getting publishers to understand that content isn’t just typing. #editorchat

[21:15:19] GLHancock: @TimOBrienNYT Without the Times News Service, the Union-Tribune (San Diego) would have no front page or A section copy! #editorchat

[21:15:19] retheauditors: A given @milehighfool: @hinder You could argue that, in the age of Web, SM skills crucial for writing and reader engagement. #editorchat

[21:15:26] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s move to Q2 Writers: Are editors asking you to produce more? What’s changed in your output routine? #editorchat

[21:15:29] rachelcw: @TimOBrienNYT the content in print pubs sometimes feels a bit outside looking in on the e versions, less engaged more bewildered #editorchat

[21:15:31] JMegonigal: @JaneFriedman It CAN mean lower quality, but doesn’t have to. Could just mean better streamlining, organization, resourcing #editorchat

[21:15:35] wordful: @littlebrownpen well-spoken. I agree. It’s certainly a crafty editorial function. #editorchat

[21:15:41] JJtweets: You can still have a short piece that’s beeen heavily researched. Packs more punch that way & gets more reads. #editorchat

[21:15:46] shortformernie: @milehighfool Good storytelling’s still there — the secret is that the storytellers have learned to cut down their writing. #editorchat

[21:15:56] rjreports: @GLHancock You at the U-T? #editorchat

[21:16:00] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen Right. The best blogs read like a good magazine — quick hits mixed with strong features. #editorchat

[21:16:06] AuldHouse: @LydiaBreakfast I agree there is room for both long and short forms. #editorchat

[21:16:37] retheauditors: Q2 Editors seems to want it faster and are less concerned about perfection as long as piece hits buttons. #editorchat

[21:16:39] Single_Shot: @BeckyDMBR Thanx for link on proposal – will check it out! #editorchat

[21:16:40] TimOBrienNYT: @LydiaBreakfast we need both, for sure. SunBiz is like a mini-magazine, feature driven. but Twitter paced brevity is great, too #editorchat

[21:16:41] jennipps: q2 @LydiaBreakfast I have one editor who wants article only. I have another who wants an image to go with every article #editorchat

[21:16:48] LydiaBreakfast: Related – Q2 Writers: Are editors asking you to produce more? What’s changed in your output routine? #editorchat

[21:16:54] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Let’s move to Q2 Writers: Are editors asking you to produce more? What’s changed in your output routine? #editorchat

[21:17:06] GLHancock: @rjreports LOL, no, I read it. #editorchat

[21:17:20] dodgemedlin: @GLHancock We do use a lot of NYT, but when we need wire copy, we use plenty of AP, WashPost and McClatchy as well. #editorchat

[21:17:25] milehighfool: @shortformernie Very true, Ernie. You’re one of the best at that. #editorchat

[21:17:26] wordful: RT @milehighfool The best blogs read like a good magazine — quick hits mixed with strong features. Sounds right to me. #editorchat

[21:17:29] JMegonigal: @milehighfool Overall, across the board? No. Media has done the same thing and wanted to be paid for mediocrity, IMHO. #editorchat

[21:17:29] rjreports: @GLHancock LOL. #editorchat

[21:17:30] TimOBrienNYT: @milehighfool we’ll NEVER lose good storytelling. we just have to be judicious about when and how we deploy narrative. #editorchat

[21:17:51] littlebrownpen: Q2. I’m being asked to write more, but the more popular request is to loop in social media contacts. #editorchat

[21:17:55] rachelcw: @LydiaBreakfast in many instances,it feels like more for less philosophy rules. Routine changes in alloting less time per piece #editorchat

[21:17:58] JMegonigal: @milehighfool But those who CAN step above the competition and prove their value can raise their prices #editorchat

[21:18:05] KatPowers: Q2 I don’t think as an editor I’m asking for more. I think what I ask for is more focused and more targeted #editorchat

[21:18:12] LydiaBreakfast: The new biz model for newspapers, mags and online pubs really needs to have a good balance of short and long, and multimedia #editorchat

[21:18:13] hinder: @LydiaBreakfast Q2 one of the pubs brought me on to do 2 stories a day. Now I write 3-4 and will begin taped interviews for ‘TV’ #editorchat

[21:18:21] TimOBrienNYT: @rachelcw that the beauty of the Web. it’s forcing MSM to become more directly engaged. #editorchat

[21:18:25] GLHancock: @dodgemedlin So I’ve noticed for quite a while. Are you still at the UT? Today? #editorchat

[21:18:38] jennipps: q2 So I got used to doing articles & then had to learn to find/take pictures that would go w/articles w/o violating copyright. #editorchat

[21:18:38] davidbdale: Regional mag editors want more content w/commercial tie-ins. Food, docs, “best of” issues. Content they can sell ads around. #editorchat

[21:18:45] retheauditors: @TimOBrienNYT But do you have the patience for longer pieces that take time to percolate? Seems cycle too fast. No patience. #editorchat

[21:18:45] rjreports: Q2 I don’t know if I’m being asked to write MORE… Just more niche, with more controversy and juice. #editorchat

[21:18:58] Single_Shot: RT @ErikSherman @JaneFriedman The problem is getting publishers to understand that content isn’t just typing. *Love this* #editorchat

[21:19:02] DavidRozansky: Q2 #Editorchat Being that I am head editor and publisher here, I answer form that side: Writers need to be more flexible in job description.

[21:19:06] milehighfool: @TimOBrienNYT Glad to hear it, Tim. Also: I think that great storytelling can be a competitive advantage. #editorchat

[21:19:08] TimOBrienNYT: @GLHancock wow. glad we’re meeting your needs! #editorchat

[21:19:31] dodgemedlin: @GLHancock I’m still at the U-T today, and for the foreseeable future. #editorchat

[21:19:37] hotspringer: Q2: Editors asking for same story in multiple formats. Next month, I write for print; rewrite for web; Tweet live from festival. #editorchat

[21:19:37] milehighfool: @JMegonigal You just wrote the magic word: prove. #editorchat

[21:19:38] rachelcw: @TimOBrienNYT and ’tis a beautiful if slowly evolving thing indeed! #editorchat

[21:19:50] retheauditors: @rjreports I even have to “sex-up” accounting! #editorchat

[21:19:54] rjreports: GLHancock but I assume you’re another SD journo/editor? #editorchat

[21:20:02] TimOBrienNYT: @retheauditors we know our Sunday readers have the patience. but we built that over time. people usually don’t during the week. #editorchat

[21:20:14] AuldHouse: @Jenbenjenben I can attest! One of the best editors I’ve worked with! #editorchat

[21:20:19] deegospel: q2: EIC are hungry for more content @hotspringer I get the same requests for live tweeting #editorchat

[21:20:20] littlebrownpen: @DavidRozansky absolutely agree. #editorchat

[21:20:20] rjreports: @retheauditors “Sex up.” YES. That’s what they say… #editorchat

[21:20:36] ChinaMatt: @retheauditors Is that really possible? I’m tempted to read about sexed-up accounting now. #editorchat

[21:20:38] TimOBrienNYT: @rachelcw agreed. it’s an exciting, profound time. #editorchat

[21:20:58] standupkid: The image of sexed up accountants makes me want to run for the exits, to be honest. #editorchat

[21:21:03] GLHancock: @rjreports Yes. Freelance editor, sometimes still writer. I pray for you guys! #editorchat

[21:21:08] ErikSherman: Q2: Editors often have less to assign. #editorchat

[21:21:20] travelswithjenn: Q2 for one pub I write for I’m being asked to write more enterprise pieces, they’re aggregating more from sister pubs #editorchat

[21:21:37] retheauditors: @TimOBrienNYT My favorite piece recently was on Madoff the sociopath. New info. #editorchat

[21:21:57] milehighfool: @retheauditors Not sure finance needs an edge — look at the egregious crap in most 8-Ks — but clarity is key. #editorchat

[21:21:58] wordful: @TimOBrienNYT so it seems more an issue of understanding reader’s habits and rhythms. How would this work on the web though? #editorchat

[21:21:58] rjreports: @GLHancock Yeah, freelance journos need all the support we can get! Your prayers are appreciated! #editorchat

[21:22:03] littlebrownpen: @rjreports agree to the “sexing up.” I’ve had some funny requests related to sexy copy. #editorchat

[21:22:14] rachelcw: @TimOBrienNYT to play devil’s advocate,we’ve said that for a while, how can we ensure the right kind of changes stick this time? #editorchat

[21:22:19] DavidRozansky: r @littlebrownpen Please use the new r-prefix twitterquette in public space. #editorchat

[21:22:24] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot Found video: http://bit.ly/cdOdC, TJ Sullivan, What if newspapers didn’t exist for a week? #editorchat

[21:22:26] milehighfool: @travelswithjenn “Enterprise pieces?” #editorchat

[21:22:26] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast Q2 – I make my writers jump through hoops. 30 minute turnarounds and such. And they LOVE me for it. LOL #editorchat

[21:22:48] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Are your regulars cutting back on assignments? #editorchat

[21:22:59] rachelcw: @JMegonigal or at least that’s what they say to your face #editorchat

[21:23:14] KatPowers: @BeckyDMBR If my newspaper didn’t exist for a week, 15 blogs would fill that space I left behind #editorchat

[21:23:17] TamarahLand: thus the reason for sex-ing it up RT @ChinaMatt Is that really possible? I’m tempted to read about sexed-up accounting now #editorchat

[21:23:41] retheauditors: What I write if you’re not in the biz I must add hooks, spice RT @milehighfool: @retheauditors Not sure finance needs edge…#editorchat

[21:23:45] standupkid: My experience at a NYC paper is that some are assigned long for Sunday, the rest churn out short, punchy and FAST. #editorchat

[21:24:05] SpecialDee: Q2 Special Sections has always – for at least 10 years that I’m aware of – asked writers to take photos. #editorchat

[21:24:05] deegospel: RT @KatPowers: @BeckyDMBR If my newspaper didn’t exist for a week, 15 blogs would fill that space I left behind #editorchat

[21:24:19] wordful: RT @KatPowers If my newspaper didn’t exist for a week, 15 blogs would fill that space I left behind. Ha! #editorchat

[21:24:39] travelswithjenn: @milehighfool you know, more in depth pieces #editorchat

[21:24:56] Single_Shot: @BeckyDMBR Cool thanks! Will watch this as soon as I finish sexing up my prostate cancer story. #editorchat

[21:25:03] milehighfool: @retheauditors Agreed re hooks. There’s always a risk in oversexing copy, no? #editorchat

[21:25:21] retheauditors: Q2 Good photos very good for biz @SpecialDee: Q2 Special Sections has always…asked writers to take photos. #editorchat

[21:25:24] CathyWebSavvyPR: @elysa talk with the #biztwit folks. don’t know – this is the 4th week of our chat. #editorchat is 8-10 but diff crowd? #SmallBizChat

[21:25:32] cursingeditor: Agreed. @KatPowers If my newspaper didn’t exist for a week, 15 blogs would fill that space I left behind. #editorchat

[21:25:53] shortformernie: @Single_Shot Prostate cancer? That sounds hard to do. #editorchat

[21:26:12] merylkevans: One write for a respected paper is starting to sound like a tabloid writer. #editorchat

[21:26:31] Single_Shot: @shortformernie Kidding! #editorchat

[21:26:35] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot Favorite phrase of the day: “…sexing up my prostate cancer story.” #editorchat

[21:26:46] retheauditors: @milehighfool I avoid cleavage, but have used term “circle jerk ” in blog and Huff Post in ref to exec compenssation. Winner. #editorchat

[21:26:53] JMegonigal: @rachelcw THAT is true. #editorchat

[21:27:07] shortformernie: Here’s an interesting thought — it seems like what’s happening with newspapers is the opposite of what’s happened in retail. #editorchat

[21:27:10] standupkid: Isn’t length–to an extent–affected by attention spans and page clicks online? How much do editors really think print and wood #editorchat

[21:27:12] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans Agreed, seems like some are changing their voice to be more sexy (and failing) #editorchat

[21:27:13] littlebrownpen: @retheauditors That’s good to know for a photo junkie like me. Should be pitching more stories with photos. #editorchat

[21:27:15] wordful: RT BeckyDMBR @Single_Shot Favorite phrase of the day: “…sexing up my prostate cancer story.” #sarcasm #editorchat

[21:27:33] KatPowers: @shortformernie explain #editorchat

[21:27:36] milehighfool: @shortformernie As in? #editorchat

[21:27:47] LydiaBreakfast: @retheauditors wonder what the SEO implications of that phrase are #editorchat

[21:27:48] DavidRozansky: r @milehighfool If by “Oversexing copy” you mean making it more attracgtive to readers, tehn no, there really isn’t. #editorchat #editorchat

[21:27:52] rachelcw: @shortformernie how do you figure that? #editorchat

[21:28:07] merylkevans: @LydiaBreakfast It disappoints me the editors are allowing this. Writer’s actions make the rest of us scramble to prove wrong. #editorchat

[21:28:14] milehighfool: @retheauditors At the Huff Post? No doubt. Your editor must love you for that one. #editorchat

[21:28:22] BeckyDMBR: @KatPowers I’m not sure it will do what he thinks it will, but I’m intrigued by the concept. (cont’d…) #editorchat

[21:28:29] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast LOL. #editorchat

[21:28:39] retheauditors: I feel somehow responsible for introducing a trending topic here, #sexingup #editorchat

[21:28:54] BeckyDMBR: @KatPowers Many successful blogs couldn’t do what they do without STEALING content, images, etc. #editorchat

[21:29:01] KatPowers: @BeckyDMBR this is a fabulous time because everything can be tried right now. some may work #editorchat

[21:29:14] milehighfool: @DavidRozansky Disagree. Hype can kill a story — the line between sex and proper perspective is thin but important, I think. #editorchat

[21:29:16] ErikSherman: @milehighfool One went bimonthly, but I still get regular work. However, I know many writers who are high and dry. #editorchat

[21:29:32] TimOBrienNYT: @retheauditors oh cool. that was a nice piece. we had a good one, slightly related, on Palm Beach recently #editorchat

[21:29:34] shortformernie: With retail, the big boxes — Walmart — killed the boutiques. With newspapers/media, the boutiques are the cool place to go now. #editorchat

[21:29:35] BeckyDMBR: @SpecialDee Q2: Good thing about our special sections? They pay extra for photos. #editorchat

[21:29:44] rachelcw: Am I the only one who has issues with HuffPost and others making $ without compensating their writers? or have they started? #editorchat

[21:30:15] shortformernie: For our media, we’re willing to go to 50 places to read about it; but for our stuff, we want to go to as few places as possible. #editorchat

[21:30:32] milehighfool: @shortformernie And the trades. And the blogs. Specialists are earning their keep — writers and publishers. #editorchat

[21:30:41] jennipps: @rachelcw No, you’re not the only one. And I put pay-per-click sites in the same boat. #editorchat

[21:30:46] DavidRozansky: r @retheauditors You are now to be quoted as the inventor of the term “Sexing up the copy.” #sexingup #editorchat lol

[21:30:53] LydiaBreakfast: @rachelcw I have issues with that – remember my schtick about writers who work for a pittance are no better than piece workers #editorchat

[21:30:56] GinaLaGuardia: @LydiaBreakfast Sorry I’m missing #editorchat (up to my eyeballs in proofreading), but wanted to say thanks for the great article!

[21:31:06] retheauditors: Speak for yourself. Guilty re images @BeckyDMBR Many successful blogs couldn’t do what they do without STEALING content #editorchat

[21:31:12] JDEbberly: RT @DavidRozansky: r @retheauditors You are now to be quoted as the inventor of the term “Sexing up the copy.” #sexingup #editorchat lol …

[21:31:15] AuldHouse: @rachelcw No, you are not the only one. #editorchat

[21:31:17] BeckyDMBR: @rachelcw No, absolutely not, you’re not alone. I’m right there with you. #editorchat

[21:31:19] milehighfool: Let’s get back to editrs. How does this divide affect you? What extra work are you doing? #editorchat

[21:31:24] travelswithjenn: @shortformernie well, we don’t have to drive anywhere to get our media #editorchat

[21:31:32] deegospel: @rachelcw no, that’s why i don’t write for them #editorchat

[21:31:35] LydiaBreakfast: @GinaLaGuardia wheee! Thank you for the opportunity, great fun! #editorchat

[21:31:41] TimOBrienNYT: @Wordful it’s all about readers’ rhythms and habits, which the Web is reordering, via mobility and multiple info sources. #editorchat

[21:31:43] dodgemedlin: @shortformernie Yep, and thank god for RSS readers. #editorchat

[21:31:45] ChinaMatt: All this talk of writing and editing is making think I should get working on the TV script I’ve had in my head. #editorchat

[21:31:46] rachelcw: @jennipps @lydiabreakfast @beckydmbr- yeah, I just feel like every now and again I have to fan those flames #editorchat

[21:31:58] BeckyDMBR: @rachelcw A handful are paid (sometimes in something other than $$$). The rest? Nope. #editorchat

[21:32:16] AuldHouse: @rachelcw The joker says, “If you are good at something, never do it for free. #editorchat

[21:32:21] SpecialDee: Same here. RT @BeckyDMBR: @SpecialDee Q2: Good thing about our special sections? They pay extra for photos. #editorchat

[21:32:21] wordful: @TimOBrienNYT seems like we don’t yet have a grasp on that #editorchat

[21:32:37] ErikSherman: @retheauditors Ah, but for exec comp, often so true. #editorchat

[21:32:40] BeckyDMBR: @rachelcw To me? Wildly successful business model. For A. Huffington. Certainly not for any “journalists” who write for her. #editorchat

[21:32:44] milehighfool: RT @GinaLaGuardia: @LydiaBreakfast Sorry I’m missing #editorchat … but wanted to say thanks for the great article!

[21:32:55] TimOBrienNYT: @rachelcw what are the “right kind of changes”? #editorchat

[21:33:04] thisdog: Anybody can get free info these days, actionable intelligence a.k.a quality counts. Cross-platform utility, brand trust. #editorchat

[21:33:10] rachelcw: thanks all equally indignant ones – my work here is done! #editorchat

[21:33:12] GLHancock: Not extra work, extra marketing for freelance editors. Jobs there are as hard to come by as at the papers! #editorchat

[21:33:14] SuburbNews: How many journos are being asked to shoot, edit video? Sufficient training? #editorchat

[21:33:22] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast On 1 side (writer, journ advocate) I’m with you. On other (editor) if I can find cheap and good, I’m taking it. #editorchat

[21:33:27] jennipps: @AuldHouse The joker has some truth to him, then. #editorchat

[21:33:31] BeckyDMBR: @JDEbberly Wasn’t there an ’80s song about sexing you up? Must head to blip and find it … #editorchat

[21:33:39] milehighfool: RT @SuburbNews: How many journos are being asked to shoot, edit video? Sufficient training? #editorchat

[21:33:45] shortformernie: @travelswithjenn Well, duh. But the diversification is telling for the news industry. One-stop shopping is dead for print. #editorchat

[21:33:47] rjreports: @SuburbNews I think many… And without much training. It’s a great skill to have though! #editorchat

[21:33:53] DavidRozansky: r @milehighfool Please use r prefix. If by Oversexing the copy, you mean hyping teh story, then no, you would be right. #editorchat

[21:34:06] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal cheap and good does not make for a fair playing field #editorchat

[21:34:12] rachelcw: @TimOBrienNYT good question- far longer than 140 characters and this forum – but less patching more long term long reaching ones #editorchat

[21:34:20] JMegonigal: @milehighfool I (and assisting team) do all reasearch, reading and writing for all departments (about 20 of them) UGH. #editorchat

[21:34:21] retheauditors: re; HuffPost I write there because it challenges me in a wider audience. It’s an exercise and I’m using it. #editorchat

[21:34:23] hinder: @AuldHouse I agree those experienced shouldn’t write for free, but those starting in the biz… sometimes they have to for clips #editorchat

[21:34:24] jennipps: @GLHancock I can agree with that. A lot of places ask me to promote published articles (as if I wouldn’t, but….) #editorchat

[21:34:28] BeckyDMBR: @rachelcw Pouring you a virtual margarita. #editorchat

[21:34:29] JDEbberly: @BeckyDMBR LOL!! Blip.fm’s the place to find it! #Editorchat

[21:34:59] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Amen! #editorchat

[21:35:06] wordful: @DavidRozansky Can you please quickly explain the r prefix, how it works? Thanks #editorchat

[21:35:07] hotspringer: Old addage: “Quality. Quantity. Speed. Pick two.” #editorchat

[21:35:27] GLHancock: Writers multitasking is nothing new. In 70s I was in 2-woman newsroom & handled my own photo developing. #editorchat

[21:35:37] rachelcw: @BeckyDMBR let’s put it on Arianna’s tab #editorchat

[21:35:40] jennipps: @hinder The problem there is when someone is used to getting good quality work for “clips,” they usually don’t want to pay later #editorchat

[21:35:50] johncass: @hinder re:SM skills writing and reader engagement – yes 1) source for ideas 2) review and reality check 3) web is interactive #Editorchat

[21:35:50] shortformernie: @hotspringer Exactly. #editorchat

[21:35:58] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast Nope. It’s like finding a Picasso at a yard sale – BONUS! But must add, have yet to find the both in one person. #editorchat

[21:36:07] JDEbberly: RT @GLHancock: Writers multitasking is nothing new. In 70s I was in 2-woman newsroom & handled my own photo developing. #editorchat #Edi …

[21:36:09] luckychica: seems so difficult these days 4 qualified journ 2 earn fair $$. Editors/pubs think we should b satisfied w/ “glory” of writing #editorchat

[21:36:12] milehighfool: @hotspringer Egg-zactly. My fear is that we’re mostly sacrificing quality. #editorchat

[21:36:13] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s go to Q3 Editors: What have you tried that’s worked in bridging the content divide? #editorchat

[21:36:52] TamarahLand: @shortformernie it doesn’t cost anything to alt+tab #editorchat

[21:37:06] KatPowers: @LydiaBreakfast Q3 I have experts in my community who want to write what they know, instead of being interviewed. That’s huge #editorchat

[21:37:08] hinder: @jennipps so true. But if you get started with that, then as a writer you drop the pub and go to the ones who will pay #editorchat

[21:37:24] cursingeditor: @SuburbNews I’m all for training, but shouldn’t journos interested in having a future be learning new media skills themselves? #editorchat

[21:37:29] travelswithjenn: @shortformernie I agree with you. that’s I meant, it’s easy to shop around online for news #editorchat

[21:37:29] ErikSherman: Must go for tonight – thanks for the #editorchat.

[21:37:33] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot For sexing up your prostate cancer story. Color Me Bad, I Wanna Sex You Up. #editorchat http://blip.fm/~68by1

[21:37:43] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Let’s go to Q3 Editors: What have you tried that’s worked in bridging the content divide? #editorchat

[21:37:48] TimOBrienNYT: @rachelcw people like @davewiner kill me for continuing to harp on this, but it’s also unavoidably about monetization. #editorchat

[21:38:07] JMegonigal: @luckychica Ask them how satisfied they are w “Glory” of editing. They live it too, stuck btw Publish ($) and Writer (quality) #editorchat

[21:38:11] KatPowers: @cursingeditor @SuburbNews I’m all for training, but shouldn’t journos interested in having a future be learning new media… #editorchat

[21:38:11] BeckyDMBR: @JDEbberly @Single_Shot Sorry. I’m being irreverent tonight. I blame the wine. #editorchat

[21:38:11] jennipps: @hinder True. You have to work your way up the ladder. #editorchat

[21:38:20] JDEbberly: @ErikSherman Thanks for stopping by, Erik, we look forward to seeing you here next Wednesday night! #Editorchat

[21:38:24] hinder: @luckychica I’m tired to reading job ads that say no compensation, but a clip from us will help further your career. BS! #editorchat

[21:38:27] jennipps: @ErikSherman Good to see you. #editorchat

[21:38:42] JDEbberly: @BeckyDMBR Double lol #Editorchat

[21:38:52] Dark_Faust: #editorchat Is editorchat still going on? Almost impossible for me (west coast) to make it at 5:30 pm.

[21:39:01] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast Using more SM to resource/research. Less time on phone calls/meetups. Quicker turnaround #editorchat

[21:39:10] Single_Shot: @BeckyDMBR Lovely. Music to sacrifice my soul by. ; ) #editorchat

[21:39:21] jennipps: @Dark_Faust Yes, we’re still here. #editorchat

[21:39:31] luckychica: @JMegonigal yes, I can imagine it’s frustrating. Crappy writing just makes an editor’s job more diff. #editorchat

[21:39:31] KatPowers: That was RT @cursingeditor I’m all for training, but shouldn’t journos interested in having a future be learning new media? #editorchat

[21:39:33] retheauditors: Plz elaborate @TimOBrienNYT @rachelcw people kill me for continuing to harp on it, but it’s also unavoidably about monetization. #editorchat

[21:39:40] hinder: @KatPowers Yes! I had a recent grad tell me she doesn’t ‘do’ social media. I couldn’t imagine giving her an article after that. #editorchat

[21:39:43] BeckyDMBR: @KatPowers Agreed. Some of correspondent staff here are outside professionals (i.e., not journalists). #editorchat

[21:39:57] milehighfool: r @KatPowers Right. Don’t overworked editors need writers with the freelancer tooklit? Write, research, photos, etc.? #editorchat

[21:40:10] JMegonigal: @KatPowers Ditto here. Makes for a huge break. #editorchat

[21:40:17] LydiaBreakfast: @hinder A recent grad?! A young person not doing social media?! Wow. #editorchat

[21:40:18] rachelcw: @TimOBrienNYT undoubtedly+as it should be,which is part of my point. Panic begat a scramble to compete->giving it away->big mess #editorchat

[21:40:27] KatPowers: @milehighfool bless you, and send them my way #editorchat

[21:40:31] Dark_Faust: #editorchat Tough to fill with meaningful content. New buss models help.

[21:40:34] jennipps: @hinder She doesn’t *do” social media? Does she *do” eating and having a place to live? Seems necessary anymore. #editorchat

[21:40:37] SuburbNews: @cursingeditor LOL at your name & bio. Nice. Yes they should. But find it curious that on TV side, there are separate positions #editorchat

[21:40:41] deegospel: q3: podcasting long form, supplying short with player, readers can listen to the article, read it later. my Editors love it #editorchat

[21:40:47] Single_Shot: @hinder @luckychica Yes, the old “payment in exposure,” otherwise known as “pie”. Thanks, I’m trying to cut back! #editorchat

[21:40:49] LydiaBreakfast: RT @milehighfool Right. Don’t overworked editors need writers with the freelancer tooklit? Write, research, photos, etc.? #editorchat

[21:40:54] thisdog: RT @motherjones: Newspaper vs. Internet: This ironic cartoon requires Flash http://tinyurl.com/qygnfv #editorchat

[21:41:05] DavidRozansky: #editorchat Q3: I guess we don’t really have a content gap here. We started the company in this environment, so it’s natural.

[21:41:06] KatPowers: @rachelcw I’ve had trouble with young ladies saying they don’t “do video” or “do blogs” They’re out of the biz #editorchat

[21:41:16] SpecialDee: RT @thisdog: Anybody can get free info … actionable intelligence aka quality counts. Cross-platform utility, brand trust. #editorchat

[21:41:17] Dark_Faust: #editorchat The pendulum has swung too far. Companies sacrificed own editorial resources for SM. Now the experts are gone.

[21:41:18] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers We are right here m’dear #editorchat

[21:41:20] luckychica: Totally. there are only a handful of OUTLETS that matter in terms of clips. Everyone else has to pay $. #editorchat

[21:41:25] rjreports: @milehighfool Freelancers toolkit: DSLR, pens, evidence(TM) pads, tape recorder, twitter/fb/etc, shot of bourbon. #editorchat

[21:41:30] RebeccaSkloot: @TimOBrienNYT coming 2 this late but I agree: the need 4 good storytelling will never go away. Narrative abiltiy can b gr8 asset #editorchat

[21:41:42] hinder: @jennipps I know. I was totally shocked. She didn’t have on SM account. None! It’s insane. #editorchat

[21:42:00] LydiaBreakfast: @rjreports Only one shot? #editorchat

[21:42:12] illied: @SuburbNews We experimented using mogulus doing live feeds from 2 locations on election night this week. http://bit.ly/FI9TD #editorchat

[21:42:12] rachelcw: @KatPowers I’m not quite sure I get your point, they’re out of the loop? Agreed. #editorchat

[21:42:13] deegospel: r @rjreports lol “shot of bourbon” #editorchat

[21:42:20] Dark_Faust: #editorchat As EiC, I make sure my editors write stories that can run in at least one other pub (print or online). Efficient coverage helps.

[21:42:33] rjreports: @LydiaBreakfast ok, ok, 2. #editorchat

[21:42:39] JMegonigal: @milehighfool I wouldnt hire someone for all that unless they were qualified in all…#editorchat

[21:42:43] luckychica: @Single_Shot LOL! “pie.” never heard that one. #editorchat Hmm lots of pie, still feeling very lean…..

[21:42:49] Dark_Faust: #editorchat Collaboration with other pubs/editors helps too. As long as not seen as competitive.

[21:42:55] milehighfool: r @rjreports Wrong order. Shot of bourbon first. (Grin.) #editorchat

[21:42:59] SuburbNews: @illied Cool #editorchat

[21:43:03] retheauditors: Those would be? @luckychica: Totally. Only a handful of OUTLETS that matter in terms of clips. Everyone else has to pay $. #editorchat

[21:43:06] KatPowers: @rachelcw No, I mean after 6 months of being passed over for assignments and promotions because they can’t video, they left #editorchat

[21:43:15] TamarahLand: too cool for school types need not apply RT @hinder Yes! I had a recent grad tell me she doesn’t ‘do’ social media. #editorchat

[21:43:15] SpecialDee: If you want 2 learn if your email is working, blip a song! RT @JDEbberly: @BeckyDMBR LOL!! Blip.fm’s the place to find it! #Editorchat

[21:43:17] milehighfool: @RebeccaSkloot Glad you could make it, Rebecca. #editorchat

[21:43:20] anti9to5guide: Hey, I’m dropping in at the tail end. Michelle Goodman, freelance writer in Seattle. #editorchat

[21:43:26] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast Most of our interns have to be RE-introduced to SM as a tool/resource instead of a personal party album #editorchat

[21:43:46] cursingeditor: Perfect RT @thisdog RT @motherjones: Newspaper vs. Internet: This ironic cartoon requires Flash http://tinyurl.com/qygnfv #editorchat

[21:43:51] TimOBrienNYT: @rachelcw exactamundo. question now is how to revisit pricing while embracing all of the experimentation. #editorchat

[21:43:53] LydiaBreakfast: @anti9to5guide Yay Michelle! #editorchat

[21:43:54] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Of course. But there are publications that want a soup-to-nuts story, pics and all. #editorchat

[21:44:12] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Hey Michelle. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[21:44:13] anti9to5guide: Yay, Lydia! Hi. #editorchat

[21:44:18] LydiaBreakfast: Funny RT @JMegonigal Most of our interns have to be RE-introduced to SM as a tool/resource instead of a personal party album #editorchat

[21:44:23] rachelcw: @KatPowers Interesting.That said,I pitched a print series and was given a vid series, not what I wanted but what sold #editorchat

[21:44:31] Dark_Faust: I just joined too. John Blyler, editor in chief for Chip Design, Low Power Design, other tech pubs (print/online). #editorchat

[21:44:55] GLHancock: Q3 I use same posts on Twitter, blog, LinkedIn, WD forum, etc. sometimes with a little tweaking. #editorchat

[21:44:58] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust Hellooooo John #editorchat

[21:44:58] KatPowers: @rachelcw If it works, swing with it. #editorchat

[21:45:01] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Hey Tim, I should be working but after just getting asked to write a book for free, thought I needed a break. #editorchat

[21:45:08] milehighfool: r @Dark_Faust Glad you could make it, John. #editorchat

[21:45:10] JMegonigal: @milehighfool UGH. I can’t imagine. The quality on one HAS to suffer, or else they better be paying that person WELL. #editorchat

[21:45:13] Single_Shot: @luckychica @anti9to5guide (hey you!) writes about it a lot. I’m sick of all those offers of free pie. I need bread! #editorchat

[21:45:48] LydiaBreakfast: So, related Q4: Writers (and Editors) Do you see the content divide as a threat or an opportunity? #editorchat

[21:45:48] hinder: Love this RT @JMegonigal Most of our interns have to be RE-introduced to SM as a tool/resource instead of a personal party album #editorchat

[21:46:08] luckychica: @retheauditors IMHO NYT, WAPO, WSJ, big glossy, or major online like HuffPo, Slate, etc. Love to know what others think…#editorchat

[21:46:13] shefinds: @anti9to5guide yay working for yourself #editorchat (even if it is 9:45 PM)

[21:46:14] rachelcw: @TimOBrienNYT there’s the rub, I think there’s room for growth/evolution along with legacy and pricing/quality/content is key #editorchat

[21:46:17] anti9to5guide: @Single_Shot Hear hear on the bread. Check your inbox for a giggle. #editorchat

[21:46:26] Dark_Faust: MediaNews execs: We’ll no longer give away all our print content to web users #eda #editorchat http://bit.ly/XZgwt

[21:46:31] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide And a drink. For free? Someone needs a swift keyboard to the head. #editorchat

[21:46:32] JDEbberly: RT @JMegonigal Most of our interns have to be RE-introduced to SM as a tool/resource instead of a personal party album #Editorchat

[21:46:38] hinder: @LydiaBreakfast Yeah she graduated less than 2 years ago and wanted to get into fashion mags. Crazy. #editorchat

[21:46:48] SpecialDee: Q3 I’ve conversed w/writers & bloggers via SM and so far one has been published in a Spec Sec ( @TobyDiva) #editorchat

[21:46:54] rachelcw: @TimOBrienNYT along with a revised business and production model of course (2) happy to have longer chat as well #editorchat

[21:47:06] TamarahLand: RT @JMegonigal Most of our interns have to be RE-introduced to SM as a tool/resource instead of a personal party album #editorchat

[21:47:15] jennipps: q4 @LydiaBreakfast I feel like since I’m still relatively new to fl’ing, it’s actually a bit of both. THreat b/c I’m not estab’d #editorchat

[21:47:27] milehighfool: Killjoy warning: Q4 is our last question. We’ll take re-intros and a link beginning at 9:55 pm. #editorchat

[21:47:33] retheauditors: @luckychica I have advantage of being SME also. Get quoted in those pubs. They write it for me. #editorchat

[21:47:34] GLHancock: Q4 Huge challenge! #editorchat

[21:47:34] rachelcw: @KatPowers though of course then one has additional expenses- cheaper to write in sweats then to present on cam! #editorchat

[21:47:43] LydiaBreakfast: Did everyone see? Q4: Writers (and Editors) Do you see the content divide as a threat or an opportunity? #editorchat

[21:47:45] jennipps: q4 but also opportunity for same reason *and* I’m not grounded in any particular way of doing things, for the most part. #editorchat

[21:47:50] shalamajackson: Love it @rjereports #editorchat

[21:48:05] JMegonigal: Q4 – If you see it as a threat, you’re out sooner or later. Only those who see the opportunity will adapt, survive and thrive. #editorchat

[21:48:12] rachelcw: @milehighfool not a killjoy but a really efficient moderator. See? we really do appreciate you! #editorchat

[21:48:15] jillelswick: RT @KatPowers I had a recent grad tell me she doesn’t ‘do’ social media. I couldn’t imagine giving her an article after that. #editorchat

[21:48:20] KatPowers: @rachelcw Nice blouses and jackets over cut-off shorts #editorchat

[21:48:24] Dark_Faust: #editorchat Content is getting tough. Tech freelancer friend had to spend more time researching subject since company lost their editors.

[21:48:28] terryrward: RT @JMegonigal Most of our interns have to be RE-introduced to SM as a tool/resource instead of a personal party album #editorchat

[21:48:34] JMegonigal: Q4- (cont) Might be a sucky opportunity, but an opportunity nonetheless #editorchat

[21:48:47] luckychica: @retheauditors nice. good for you. #editorchat

[21:48:51] LydiaBreakfast: RT @JMegonigal If you see it as a threat, you’re out sooner or later. Only those who see the opportunity will adapt, survive #editorchat

[21:48:53] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Channeling Michael J. Fox: It’s a huge opportunity. More content is needed and quality never goes out of style. #editorchat

[21:49:06] SuburbNews: Forget Mac vs PC. Check out Newspaper vs Internet. Funny cartoon: http://tinyurl.com/qygnfv RT @motherjones via @thisdog #editorchat

[21:49:11] KatPowers: Any movement means opportunity. We’re all moving right now #editorchat

[21:49:16] rachelcw: @LydiaBreakfast depends on what you have in your toolbox, how prepared you are to keep learning and how much competition bugs u #editorchat

[21:49:20] anti9to5guide: @LydiaBreakfast Q4: In some ways I hate changes to publishing biz, but as freelancers we’ve mastered flexibility & adapation… #editorchat

[21:49:29] milehighfool: @rachelcw (Blushes.) Thanks, Rachel. We love hosting — great group here. #editorchat

[21:49:32] SpecialDee: Q3 Putting together curriculum beneficial 2 journalists that I feel should be offered at local college-multimedia top of list #editorchat

[21:49:45] deegospel: q4: an opportunity. a lemon situation for me 8 years ago is starting to taste like lemonade. i welcome the changes #editorchat

[21:49:50] hinder: Q4 it just forces us to be more creative. Think WAY outside the box to find content and bring the readers along for the ride. #editorchat

[21:50:08] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Precisely. We should have an edge — now more than ever. #editorchat

[21:50:15] jennipps: RT @JMegonigal Q4- If you see it as a threat, you’re out sooner or later. Only those who see the opportunity will adapt, survive #editorchat

[21:50:17] rjreports: @deegospel great way of putting it! #editorchat

[21:50:21] DavidRozansky: #editorchat Q4: Since we will be moving to SM as our only line of finding quality authors, I would think SM is opportunity for writers.

[21:50:25] LydiaBreakfast: I agree with @milehighfool, I’m not competitive, just want to write well and tell the best story – quality always in style #editorchat

[21:50:31] rachelcw: @milehighfool I wasn’t even trying to be teacher’s pet. I learn so much when I can make it! you and Miss Lydia are so good to us #editorchat

[21:50:33] Single_Shot: RT @milehighfool It’s a huge opportunity. More content is needed and quality never goes out of style. *Nicely put* #editorchat

[21:50:39] Dark_Faust: Use some “community”content on my sites, but mainly fill from our other pubs; efficient use of interviews for multi-stories; #editorchat

[21:50:49] anti9to5guide: RT @JMegonigal Q4: If you see it as a threat, you’re out sooner or later. Only those who see the opp will adapt, survive #editorchat

[21:50:57] jennipps: RT @hinder Q4 it just forces us to be more creative. Think WAY outside the box to find content and bring the readers along #editorchat

[21:50:58] littlebrownpen: Q4. A big challenge is connecting the right editors and writers. #editorchat

[21:51:06] rachelcw: @LydiaBreakfast but will people start paying for it again? #editorchat

[21:51:27] hotspringer: RT @rachelcw Q4: Depends on what you have in your toolbox, how prepared you are to keep learning and how much competition bugs u #editorchat

[21:51:54] JaneFriedman: Editors/pubs/writers must work collaboratively to bridge divide. Be unconventional. Take Shatzkin’s advice: http://bit.ly/SizBY #editorchat

[21:51:55] milehighfool: @Single_Shot I’m here all week. I’ll even help with the fake prostrate cancer story. #editorchat

[21:51:56] Macala: RT @luckychica there are only a handful of OUTLETS that matter in terms of clips. Everyone else has to pay $. #editorchat – agreed.

[21:52:01] Single_Shot: @anti9to5guide Also, it *can* be exciting telling a story different ways & using different tools: slide shows, links, etc. #editorchat

[21:52:04] anti9to5guide: @shefinds Hey, Michelle. It’s only 7 here though. Nice to see you. #editorchat

[21:52:06] Dark_Faust: #editorchat Q4: See as opportunity. As editor, you have no other choice. You must get creative in getting stories, collaborate w others

[21:52:25] AuldHouse: Q4. Change? Opportunity? Bring it on. #editorchat.

[21:52:27] SpecialDee: Q3 Had a slew of freelance queries last fall. Important to know if they can conduct an interview. #editorchat

[21:52:29] milehighfool: RT @littlebrownpen: Q4. A big challenge is connecting the right editors and writers. (Yep. Wish it were easier.) #editorchat

[21:52:44] DavidRozansky: Hear hear. RT @littlebrownpen: Q4. A big challenge is connecting the right editors and writers. #editorchat

[21:52:56] anti9to5guide: @Single_Shot Yeah, or cell phones. #editorchat

[21:52:59] Single_Shot: @anti9to5guide The Darwinian approach to freelancing? #editorchat

[21:53:03] milehighfool: RT @AuldHouse: Q4. Change? Opportunity? Bring it on. (That’s the spirit.) #editorchat

[21:53:17] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool My blade is so sharp I’m bleeding. #editorchat

[21:53:18] JDEbberly: Link associated w/last Tweet: Take Shatzkin’s advice: http://bit.ly/SizBY #Editorchat

[21:53:18] JDEbberly: Link associated w/last Tweet: Take Shatzkin’s advice: http://bit.ly/SizBY #Editorchat

[21:53:29] deegospel: q4 @rachelcw I would like for pubs 2successfully build membership sites inside pub site to get subscriptions to pay writers #editorchat

[21:53:39] Single_Shot: @milehighfool Actually, the prostate cancer story is real. The sexed-up part is fake, though. Just like in life. ; ) #editorchat

[21:53:40] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast I agree with quality. Getting PAID for quality. Ahem. #editorchat

[21:53:55] anti9to5guide: @Single_Shot I’ve heard career coaches refer to job hunting as survival of the fittest these days. Ouch. But kinda true. #editorchat

[21:54:04] AuldHouse: r@milehighfool But only if I can keep my health insurance! #editorchat

[21:54:04] milehighfool: @SpecialDee Is they can’t, are they really freelancers? #editorchat

[21:54:13] jennipps: I’m right there with you. RT @AuldHouse Q4. Change? Opportunity? Bring it on. #editorchat

[21:54:17] LydiaBreakfast: RT @Single_Shot @anti9to5guide The Darwinian approach to freelancing. Yes!! #editorchat

[21:54:34] rachelcw: @deegospel that was a concept bandied about during web 1.0 but ppl didn’t get the pay for content concept.perhaps time is right #editorchat

[21:54:40] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Whoops. (And whoops again.) #editorchat

[21:54:53] wordful: Let’s just face it — we have the power to revolutionize publishing models right here, right now. #editorchat

[21:54:55] Dark_Faust: RT @milehighfool “Write, research, photos…” Add several interview for quotes. Freelancers must do it with minimum of guidance #editorchat

[21:55:05] anti9to5guide: RT @LydiaBreakfast RT @Single_Shot @anti9to5guide The Darwinian approach to freelancing. Yes!! *so are we the apes?* #editorchat

[21:55:15] JDEbberly: RT @wordful: Let’s just face it — we have the power to revolutionize publishing models right here, right now. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:55:20] SuburbNews: Let’s face it – would any outlet RATHER have back a bigger staff? Yes.But smaller makes you hungry, scrappy. Wish could have all #editorchat

[21:55:34] GLHancock: Join in Writers Worth Day this Friday. See http://www.loriwidmer.blogspot.com or my blog posts. #editorchat

[21:55:40] milehighfool: We’ve reached that time. Go ahead and reintroduce yourself and provide a link if you’d like. #editorchat

[21:55:56] terryrward: Will internet readers pay for access to content? #editorchat

[21:56:02] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: We’ve reached that time. Go ahead and reintroduce yourself and provide a link if you’d like. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:56:03] shefinds: @JDEbberly here’s an ap for ed asst we just got – tip don’t mention your cocaine habit in the test piece. http://bit.ly/xViI6 #editorchat

[21:56:05] littlebrownpen: RT @wordful: Let’s just face it — we have the power to revolutionize publishing models right here, right now. #editorchat

[21:56:09] SpecialDee: Q3 I expect in the near future to add another skill freelancers need: web video skills (and their own camera) #editorchat

[21:56:11] Dark_Faust: @wordful #editorchat Don’t need power. Need to have access to the right folks, typically what good editors/reports do best.

[21:56:12] JMegonigal: @wordful Absolutely. 100% with you. The way “it’s always been done” doesn’t work anymore… #editorchat

[21:56:17] KatPowers: I’m not a 13 year old blogger #editorchat

[21:56:31] deegospel: @rachelcw i know. I wrote for a membership mag site years ago. it tanked. now better tools for community building #editorchat

[21:56:31] milehighfool: r @Dark_Faust Agreed. That’s what editors expect from us, as they should. #editorchat

[21:56:39] wordful: @terryrward absolutely! #editorchat

[21:56:56] LydiaBreakfast: Folks this has been a terrific talk, please reintroduce yourselves and give a link if you like. Then stay as long as you want #editorchat

[21:57:03] cursingeditor: Readers have no reason to pay for Internet content because there are so many other places to get it free. #editorchat

[21:57:05] GLHancock: Freelance writer/editor in paradise, San Diego. See LinkedIn for biz info. Blog: A Writer’s Edge http://www.writers-edge.info #editorchat

[21:57:10] thisdog: #editorchat This is a great omen tweet or toast even. A twoast? RT @Feezal: Ad looks good in the newspaper! Here’s hoping it works!

[21:57:13] SuburbNews: @wordful Right here, right now…. Now I have Fatboy Slim in my head. #editorchat

[21:57:13] JMegonigal: Jordana Megonigal, editor of business mag in Upstate S.C. Find me here (Twitter). #editorchat

[21:57:18] deegospel: q4: @SpecialDee I need about two vloggers like last year #editorchat

[21:57:25] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers LOL! #editorchat

[21:57:26] retheauditors: Thanks for including me. It was very interesting. http://retheauditors.com #editorchat

[21:57:27] rachelcw: @deegospel absolutely! #editorchat

[21:57:29] hotspringer: Rebecca McCormick: Flexible freelancer with full toolkit. http://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccamccormick #editorchat

[21:57:30] wordful: @Dark_Faust yes, and that’s power as well. The power of connectivity. #editorchat

[21:57:39] rjreports: hi, I’m Rosa, freelancer and writer for the San Diego Reader. http://www.rosajurjevics.com #editorchat

[21:57:43] KatPowers: @LydiaBreakfast didn’t know if anyone got that. whew #editorchat

[21:57:43] Dark_Faust: @terryrward If not “internet readers” then sponsors of content. The later is working for us, since engineers won’t pay. #editorchat

[21:57:50] LydiaBreakfast: @retheauditors Thanks so much for coming #editorchat

[21:57:58] wordful: @KatPowers lol #editorchat

[21:58:01] jennipps: Jen, fl writer in s Okla Write for @TutorialBlog, WritingforDollars.com, etc. Also now Publicity Director for @OWFI www.owfi.org #editorchat

[21:58:14] LydiaBreakfast: @hotspringer Rebecca, thanks to you and your toolkit for joining #editorchat

[21:58:22] SmetanasGlasses: Happy to follow the #editorchat; great ideas. Blog #3 at http://accidentalimmigrant.wordpress.com/ Freelance writer/snacker/traveler.

[21:58:35] AuldHouse: Old school publishing in a new world. #editorchat http://bit.ly/zZfTO

[21:58:41] luckychica: do u guys think (j)schools need 2 expand their curric if skill set required is ever-widening? will edu catch up to prof demands? #editorchat

[21:58:42] JDEbberly: @terryrward They will if you develop an Internet Learning Environment (see @copyblogger ) #Editorchat

[21:58:42] wordful: Charles Bohannan of Wordful in Hawaii: writer, editor and blogger, small business owner #editorchat

[21:58:44] retheauditors: Yes, I’ve called boards impotent, pay amts pornographic. RT @ErikSherman: @retheauditors Ah, but for exec comp, often so true. #editorchat

[21:58:46] shortformernie: Peace all! Ernie Smith, designer @ Wash. Post Express, editor of http://shortformblog.com/ <– follow at @shortformblog kids! #editorchat

[21:58:47] DavidRozansky: I am publisher of Flying Pen Press, a small book publishing co. in Denver. http://flyingpenpress.com #editorchat

[21:58:48] deegospel: Dee, Atlanta. Contributing Editor, blogger, PR, writer. Girl Scout. Need sleep now. Big fun tonight. #editorchat

[21:58:49] hinder: Freelance writer/editor for business, lifestyle, entertainment – always trying something new, like to keep things fresh. #editorchat

[21:58:54] LydiaBreakfast: @rjreports Rosa thanks for joining, i hope you liked it #editorchat

[21:58:58] davidbdale: Freelance features and Very Short Novels #editorchat http://davidbdale.wordpress.com/

[21:59:04] KatPowers: Editor just outside Boston. Cover one small city, and that’s plenty http://www.wickedlocal.com/somerville #editorchat

[21:59:13] JaneFriedman: Thx everyone – Jane (Publisher/Editorial Director, Writer’s Digest at F+W Media) http://www.janefriedman.com #editorchat

[21:59:13] rachelcw: Rachel Weingarten- I write books and market things. Love writing business articles, blog at www.rachelcw.com when I can. #editorchat

[21:59:16] rjreports: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks so much for having me! #editorchat

[21:59:35] milehighfool: @shortformernie Always a pleasure, Ernie. #editorchat

[21:59:37] LydiaBreakfast: @JaneFriedman Thanks Jane, hope you’ll join us again #editorchat

[21:59:46] wordful: Oh, yeah, my blog: http://wordful.com #editorchat

[21:59:52] rjreports: all right, #editorchat, I’m off!

[21:59:55] LydiaBreakfast: @davidbdale Thanks for coming #editorchat

[21:59:55] rachelcw: Thank you Lydia and Tim as always for hosting us, and to everyone for the yummy food for thought. Goodnight all. #editorchat

[21:59:55] Single_Shot: Great fun, as always. Diane Mapes, Darwinian freelancer from Seattle, writing 4 MSNBC.com, etc. www.dianemapes.net #editorchat

[21:59:55] dodgemedlin: Mark, San Diego U-T. Also a photographer and fledgling Web designer. Good #editorchat, as always. http://dodgemedlin.com #editorchat

[21:59:57] BeckyDMBR: @rachelcw Becky in Iow-ay. Online and in print. Yeah. Print. For now, anyway. Rock on! #editorchat

[22:00:03] milehighfool: @JaneFriedman Thank you, Jane. Please join us again. #editorchat

[22:00:04] JDEbberly: Hi, I’m JD Ebberly. The only link you’ll ever need if you’re an editor or writer is: http://editorchat.wordpress.com/ #Editorchat

[22:00:05] deegospel: @LydiaBreakfast thanks, Lydia. good night #editorchat

[22:00:05] ChinaMatt: publisher/editor of Terracotta Typewriter lit. journal www.tctype.com and personal blog: http://everymanscritic.blogspot.com #editorchat

[22:00:07] Dark_Faust: RT @cursingeditor: “Readers have no reason to pay …” For news, that’s true. Not necessarily true for news analysis, etc. #editorchat

[22:00:09] LydiaBreakfast: @rachelcw Lots of great tweets from you – thanks! #editorchat

[22:00:20] retheauditors: @TimOBrienNYT I write longer pieces on similar topics but do all my own research… Not easy but gratifying. #editorchat

[22:00:26] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Beck-ay thanks much #editorchat

[22:00:26] milehighfool: @rachelcw Great stuff, Rachel. Thanks for joining us. #editorchat

[22:00:33] anti9to5guide: Michelle Goodman, freelancer writing abt careers for ABC News, Seattle Times, etc. 2 freelancing books: www.anti9to5guide.com #editorchat

[22:00:38] cursingeditor: @luckychica Good j-schools are already focused on new media skills. #editorchat

[22:00:41] LydiaBreakfast: @deegospel Dee, thanks so much #editorchat

[22:00:46] hotspringer: Great job tonight, @LydiaBreakfast. Glad to be back after a few weeks on the road. #editorchat

[22:00:52] milehighfool: @dodgemedlin Great stuff, Mark. Thanks. #editorchat

[22:00:56] LydiaBreakfast: @JDEbberly Rock on JD! #editorchat

[22:01:00] retheauditors: I think you’re getting pic now. RT @LydiaBreakfast: @retheauditors wonder what the SEO implications of that phrase are #editorchat

[22:01:02] KatPowers: Thank you again, @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool #editorchat

[22:01:09] rachelcw: @LydiaBreakfast I was feeling particularly chatty – as it were. #editorchat

[22:01:17] Dark_Faust: @milehighfool Yes. Most freelancers now are of a very high grade, former sr editors and EiCs, etc. #editorchat

[22:01:19] TamarahLand: goodnight all. TamarahLand freelance writer/blogger of site for underemployed, career/life development and RTOD’s #editorchat

[22:01:21] milehighfool: @deegospel Thanks for joining us, Dee. We appreciate it. #editorchat

[22:01:24] hotspringer: @milehighfool Ditto for you, my friend. #editorchat

[22:01:26] jennipps: See you all later. Need to go write a couple devotions for a book I’m working on (that’s been requested). #editorchat

[22:01:28] hinder: Thanks @lydiabreakfast and @milehighfool Always a great time! #editorchat

[22:01:33] littlebrownpen: Nichole Robertson. When I am not writing, I’m blathering on and on about Paris here: http://littlebrownpen.blogspot.com/ #editorchat

[22:01:41] anti9to5guide: Thanks so much editorchat gang and esp Lydia and Tim. Don’t let anyone convince you to write for free this week. #editorchat

[22:01:42] LydiaBreakfast: @dodgemedlin Thanks so much for coming in again, enjoy having you! #editorchat

[22:01:49] rachelcw: @milehighfool Thanks Tim, much to think about. #editorchat

[22:02:03] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Thanks Jen, you are fab! #editorchat

[22:02:05] JJtweets: I’m a freelance writer in Seattle & beat-reporter on City Hall & local elections. Keep the great ideas coming! #editorchat

[22:02:07] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Great job herding us cats. lol. Great chat, everyone. #editorchat

[22:02:13] milehighfool: @hotspringer You bet. Pleased as always with the great conversation. #editorchat

[22:02:16] cursingeditor: @Dark_Faust Agreed. The only way to make pay work is as a supplement to the free stuff. #editorchat

[22:02:17] JDEbberly: Thanks once again to @MileHighFool @LindaBreakfast and everyone else tonight for another informative Editorchat ! #Editorchat

[22:02:28] Single_Shot: @anti9to5guide Just say no to PIE! #editorchat

[22:02:32] JMegonigal: @lydiabreakfast @milehighfool THanks again for a GREAT chat. Loved this topic. Great ideas a-brewin…#editorchat

[22:02:33] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen always enjoy your tweets thanks! #editorchat

[22:02:44] SpecialDee: Thanks for the great conversation tonight #editorchat

[22:02:49] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen Thanks, Nichole. Great to have you back and best of luck settling in. #editorchat

[22:03:07] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast thanks for hosting. Love #editorchat

[22:03:09] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Thank you for joining us #editorchat

[22:03:35] LydiaBreakfast: RT @Single_Shot Just say no to PIE! Agreeeeed!!! #editorchat

[22:03:37] anti9to5guide: @Single_Shot Yes to booze, no to PIE! #editorchat

[22:03:38] milehighfool: @jennipps @hinder Great stuff from you both, as always. #editorchat

[22:03:42] luckychica: really enjoyed my first #editorchat. Lots of great peeps to talk to and learn from.

[22:04:15] Dark_Faust: #editorchat great session, as usual. just wish I could make it sooner. nite all.

[22:04:25] GLHancock: Thanks for letting me in and not throwing me out! #editorchat

[22:04:29] LydiaBreakfast: @luckychica enjoyed having you with us, thanks! #editorchat

[22:04:36] SpecialDee: “Your newspaper. The everyday reality show.” #editorchat

[22:04:45] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust always a pleasure #editorchat

[22:05:07] LydiaBreakfast: @GLHancock Thanks for joining #editorchat

And yet amid the cutbacks is a stated desire among some publishers to produce more content than ever. BusinessWeek‘s John Byrne was on editorchat not long ago talking about filling digital pages through community engagement. We wonder if that’s all there is.

Is community the only way to bridge this emerging content divide, where few writers are asked to do more than ever? Specifically, we’re wondering:

Editors: Are you to trying to find new ways to generate more content, even with mandates to cut staff ?

Writers: Are editors asking you to produce more? What’s changed in your output routine?

Editors: What have you tried that’s worked in bridging the content divide?

Writers: Do you see the content divide as a threat or an opportunity?

For additional reading, take a look at Publishing Executive‘s piece “User Generated Content is Nothing New” and the Editor and Publisher article on the new WSJ code of conduct with regards to staff using Twitter and Facebook for their work

Drop us a comment below and tell us your stories of success or failure in bridging the content divide.  And join us tomorrow night when we’ll chat about these questions and more.

Specifically we’re wondering:

Has anyone found a good way to do long form writing?

Editors, what are you doing to engage and work more effectively with writers?

Freelancers, have you changed how you do your queries?

Writers, what have you done to further engage readers?

Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check?

If you have any other questions, please add them in the comments section and we’ll try to discuss them tonight at 8:30pm EST.