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[20:00:37] LydiaBreakfast No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat
[20:01:33] LydiaBreakfast And we are live tweeps – let’s take a moment to introduce ourselves, I’m Lydia Dishman freelance features writer for mags, web, #editorchat
[20:01:36] milehighfool Tweeps, if you don’t want to see tonight’s #editorchat, use TweetDeck to either (a) ignore me till 9: 30 pm EST or (b) filter #editorchat
[20:02:26] milehighfool Tim Beyers, Motley Fool contributor and analyst for Motley Fool Rule Breakers #editorchat
[20:02:45] mariaschneider @LydiaBreakfast Hey how does #editorchat work? Is it all on Twitter?
[20:03:27] LydiaBreakfast @mariaschneider go to tweetchat.com and put in your name and pword and room is editorchat #editorchat
[20:03:39] a2editor Hello #editorchat. How are you all this week? #editorchat
[20:04:04] DawnPapandrea Hey all… Dawn Papandrea, freelance mag writer, blogger — parenting/women’s topics. I’m an editor in my day job, too. #editorchat
[20:04:07] LydiaBreakfast @a2editor Hello, how are you? #editorchat
[20:04:33] LydiaBreakfast @DawnPapandrea Hi Dawn thanks for joining πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:04:44] prattleon Hello everyone. My first time on #editorchat. I’m a Lydia breakfast groupie and freelance writer. πŸ™‚
[20:04:52] sooutdoors I’m Lloyd Fridenburg, freelance outdoors writer, blogger and Past President of Outdoor Writers of Canada. #editorchat
[20:05:04] writepudding Hello everyone – full-time content editor by day, journalist by night in Los Angeles #editorchat
[20:05:05] a2editor @LydiaBreakfast. Hello again. I’m great, how are you? #editorchat
[20:05:07] LydiaBreakfast @sooutdoors Welcome Lloyd πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:05:18] DawnPapandrea @LydiaBreakfast Glad to be here! #editorchat
[20:05:25] DCgov Hello, Patrick Thibodeau, reporter, Computerworld; and operator of dcblogs.com #editorchat
[20:05:43] LydiaBreakfast @writepudding Hello Ms Pudding #editorchat
[20:06:02] LydiaBreakfast @DCgov Welcome sir, glad you could make it πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:06:45] milehighfool @DCgov Glad to you could make it Patrick. Been following your stuff for years. #editorchat
[20:06:49] JDEbberly I write articles on blogging, new media, and Twitter #editorchat
[20:06:51] LydiaBreakfast So @milehighfool and I were talking: In order to work more efficiently together, editors and writers need to be on the same page #editorchat
[20:07:04] littlebrownpen Nichole Robertson, Copy Director, Amala Skin Care and freelance writer #editorchat
[20:07:09] LydiaBreakfast @JDEbberly Hi JD πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:07:15] jennipps Is #editorchat at 8:00 or 8:30?
[20:07:33] LydiaBreakfast @littlebrownpen Nichole thanks for joining it is late for you! #editorchat
[20:07:41] LydiaBreakfast @jennipps right now Jen #editorchat
[20:07:42] milehighfool @littlebrownpen Hey Nichole. Meant to get back to you diretly but enjoyed your post about Notre Dame. #editorchat
[20:08:00] milehighfool @jennipps Hi Jenn. Starts now. Ends at 9:30 pm. #editorchat
[20:08:05] littlebrownpen @LydiaBreakfast I wouldn’t miss it. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[20:08:29] littlebrownpen @milehighfool thank you. It’s such an inspiring place. #editorchat
[20:08:43] DCgov @milehighfool #editorchat Thank you; i hope to no ill effect.
[20:09:13] abigailrieley I blog and freelance mainly crime stories here in Ireland. Just published my first book due for uk release in May. #editorchat
[20:09:23] jennipps @milehighfool @lydiabreakfast, Thanks! After I missed it last week, I didn’t want to miss this week. #editorchat
[20:09:33] augustjordan #editorchat Hi! August here; I’m a freelance art historian and reviewer. #editorchat
[20:09:35] LydiaBreakfast Topic @milehighfool and I were talking,to work more efficiently together, editors and writers need to be on the same page #editorchat
[20:09:51] LydiaBreakfast @abigailrieley Yay abigail – thanks for staying up late #editorchat
[20:10:15] JDEbberly @LydiaBreakfast This is such an informative and inspiring group! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:10:22] milehighfool @DCgov Not at all. I’ve been getting CW at home for a while. #editorchat
[20:10:27] jennipps Jen Nipps, freelance writer, contributor at TutorialBlog.org #editorchat
[20:10:56] LydiaBreakfast @augustjordan glad you are here πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:11:05] milehighfool @abigailrieley Outstanding. Great news. #editorchat
[20:11:27] LydiaBreakfast Ready for the first question all? Relates to being on the same page.. #editorchat
[20:11:27] augustjordan @LydiaBreakfast thanks πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:11:42] mariaschneider I’m Maria Schneider, freelancer, former writing magazine editor and blogger at http://editorunleashed.com. #editorchat #editorchat
[20:11:47] milehighfool Now, as @LydiaBreakfast says, how do you make sure you’re on the same page as your editor, and vice versa? #editorchat
[20:11:57] AngEngland @JDEbberly I write about Pregnancy, preschoolers, journals (personal writing), gardening, and freelance writing. #editorchat
[20:12:08] LydiaBreakfast @mariaschneider she found it yay! #editorchat
[20:12:20] LydiaBreakfast @AngEngland Hello Ang #editorchat
[20:13:28] jennipps @milehighfool Communication! I had a goof at the beginning of my stint w/TB. If we weren’t communicating, it wouldn’t have workd #editorchat
[20:13:39] DawnPapandrea @milehighfool Having been on both sides, writers must keep editors looped in as things change/evolve. No one likes surprises. #editorchat
[20:13:43] littlebrownpen I apply what I’ve learned on the marketing side (comprehensive client briefs) to the editorial side (specific questions). #editorchat
[20:13:45] andwhatsnext I’m equal parts writer and editor in my heart, though mostly editor in reality. Mainly for http://www.SheKnows.com . πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:13:54] a2editor @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast: ask questions early on, make sure assignments are clearly defined. #editorchat
[20:14:04] Single_Shot Diane Mapes, freelance journalist/humor columnist. Re Q1: I’ll have a series of email chats re assgnmts or a quick phone call #editorchat
[20:14:34] LydiaBreakfast @Single_Shot Greeting to you and @andwhatsnext #editorchat
[20:14:41] milehighfool RT @a2editor: @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast: ask questions early on, make sure assignments are clearly defined. #editorchat
[20:15:13] AngEngland @LydiaBreakfast typing one hand – holding babe in other arm πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:15:25] LydiaBreakfast @a2editor @single_shot even with asking questions and getting a clear outline things can go awry #editorchat
[20:15:25] milehighfool @DawnPapandrea How do you do it? I’m a huge fan of specific questions having been burned. But do you use email, IM, reports? #editorchat
[20:15:49] LydiaBreakfast @AngEngland well versed in that – spent first three years of my younger daughter’s life working like that πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:15:57] jamieharrington Why am I seeing the #editorchat hashtag? What are they doing there?
[20:16:05] littlebrownpen It’s important to keep in mind that your editor/magazine/pub is your client. It’s not about your ego. It’s their product. #editorchat
[20:16:22] a2editor @LydiaBreakfast Things can always go awry. πŸ™‚ Key is to keep communication open, as others said. #editorchat
[20:16:35] Single_Shot Yep. I’ll def. check in w/ editors as the story’s progressing (or not). Or if it’s shapeshifting. Or sources disappear, etc #editorchat
[20:16:52] DawnPapandrea @milehighfool I’m all about email. For major revisions, questions, picking up the phone is probably better. #editorchat
[20:16:54] DawnPapandrea #editorchat
[20:16:57] 20orsomething Hi everyone, freelance writer and editor, looking forward to learning from and talking with each of you #editorchat #editorchat
[20:16:59] MariaKorolov Good morning, everyone! I’m in Shanghai covering business — and a former colleague of @DCgov at CW #editorchat
[20:17:01] jennipps I think so far I’ve probably been lucky in that the editors I’ve worked with have all been very communicative. #editorchat
[20:17:07] a2editor @littlebrownpen Good point. Egos are trouble. #editorchat
[20:17:46] milehighfool @MariaKorolov Welcome. Another tech writer. This just keeps getting better πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:17:51] jennipps @a2editor That can work on both sides, though. Ego trouble, that is. #editorchat
[20:17:53] LydiaBreakfast So related question: even with good communication what do you do when a story won’t die?when the writer and ed don’t agree #editorchat
[20:18:14] thebrandbuilder Geat discussions already taking place over at #editorchat tonight. If you’re a journalist, writer, editor, etc., check it out.
[20:18:21] JDEbberly @littlebrownpen Humility can be a beneficial trait. #editorchat
[20:18:22] andwhatsnext RT @littlebrownpen Keep in mind that your editor/magazine/pub is your client. It’s not about your ego. It’s their product. #editorchat
[20:18:29] MariaKorolov @milehighfool not writing about too much tech these days… best client right now, actually, is an agriculture magazine! #editorchat
[20:18:55] abigailrieley Again on the first question. I’ll email my editor on any significant developments…in non fiction anyway. Gauge reaction. #editorchat
[20:19:04] a2editor @jennipps Absolutely. Ego on either side of the equation = big hassle. #editorchat
[20:19:08] MariaKorolov @milehighfool in fact, some of my former editors have been contacting me asking for work with my company … 😦 #editorchat
[20:19:14] sooutdoors It’s important that info is exchanged at the start of an assignment so the writer and editor agree on what is to be delivered. #editorchat
[20:19:16] LydiaBreakfast @dcgov has that happened to you? Have you and your editor ever not been able to agree on a finished product? #editorchat
[20:19:17] jennipps @LydiaBreakfast Probably bad to say, but it might depend on how invested I am w/the piece. Ideally? I’d like to say I’d concede. #editorchat
[20:19:41] Single_Shot @LydiaBreakfast There’s always another story. I’ve had my heart broken on some, but don’t you just move on if u reach an impasse #editorchat
[20:19:45] MariaKorolov @milehighfool (We run editorial news bureaus in the emerging markets for US trade pubs) #editorchat
[20:19:49] milehighfool @DawnPapandrea So you;re on the phone and you’re at an impasse. Do you push back, or is it career suicide to push an editor? #editorchat
[20:19:50] jennipps @LydiaBreakfast Knock on wood, that hasn’t happened to me yet. #editorchat
[20:20:48] DCgov #editorchat I almost never argue with an editor on a finished product; but then, it’s too late. #editorchat
[20:20:50] augustjordan @jennipps makes a good point – surely how passionate you are on your position is a factor? #editorchat
[20:21:23] MariaKorolov @milehighfool why would you want to push an editor? #editorchat
[20:21:24] DawnPapandrea @milehighfool It depends. I wouldn’t argue over commas and I’ll happily rework an angle. But anything shady I’d stand my ground. #editorchat
[20:21:26] mariaschneider I don’t think it’s career suicide to push an editor. But you’re probably not going to work with that particular editor again. #editorchat
[20:21:29] a2editor If content is something personal, it’s important to agree on final product. But normally, editor/pub gets final say, no? #editorchat
[20:21:29] milehighfool @Single_Shot I think that’s the consensus. But is it right? Editors, what say you? #editorchat
[20:21:34] LydiaBreakfast This happened to me this week, ed gave clear guidelines, I delivered on theme as discussed after delivery, ed. changed direction #editorchat
[20:21:56] littlebrownpen I defer to the editors. But usually my relationship is such that I like their suggestions and they like mine. Crossing fingers. #editorchat
[20:22:28] sooutdoors @milehighfool Good editors will keep an open mind but in the end it’s their publication. Both parties always have a choice πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:22:38] milehighfool @DCgov Fair point. Is there ever a right moment for the argument? #editorchat
[20:22:39] a2editor Ah, the old change of direction. I would work with the editor up to a point, make very sure we agree on what s/he wants… #editorchat
[20:22:48] MariaKorolov when I was on staff, I used to argue with editors. now that they’re clients — well, the customer is always right #editorchat
[20:22:57] jennipps @littlebrownpen That’s actually how I see things going for me in the future as well. But sadly, you don’t know for absolute sure #editorchat
[20:23:04] mariaschneider Depends: if the piece is personal, like an essay, I think you should stay true to yourself. For a feature, probably not so much. #editorchat
[20:23:04] andwhatsnext @milehighfool I’d say ed gets final say – BUT so much depends on the relationship. Can you debate safely? #editorchat
[20:23:08] DawnPapandrea @littlebrownpen Most times, that’s the way to go. I, too, have been lucky though. Maybe cause I edit, too, so I’m more flexible. #editorchat
[20:23:16] BeckyDMBR Ack. Is it time for #editorchat again already? Time flies!
[20:23:24] bigjonevans RT @thebrandbuilder: Geat discussions already taking place over at #editorchat tonight. If you’re a journalist, writer, editor check it out.
[20:23:47] GASTURBINE Retweeting @DCgov: Hello, Patrick Thibodeau, reporter, Computerworld; and operator of dcblogs.com #editorchat
[20:23:54] LydiaBreakfast Related Q: Shouldn’t an editor be accountable when they change the direction of an assignment after completion? #editorchat
[20:24:02] a2editor …but if the requirements keep changing rep., I’d do my best to work it out, then probably walk away with a polite breakup line #editorchat
[20:24:03] JDEbberly RT @thebrandbuilder: Geat discussions already taking place over at #editorchat tonight. If you’re a journalist, writer, editor check it out.
[20:24:12] Single_Shot @LydiaBreakfast The changing direction thing has happened to me, 2. It’s important to consider the relationship w/edtr. big pic #editorchat
[20:24:12] milehighfool @andwhatsnext I’m not sure there’s ever such a thing as a safe debate with an editor. (1/2) #editorchat
[20:24:48] littlebrownpen @a2editor LOL. “I’m just not that into your edits.” #editorchat
[20:25:15] jennipps @milehighfool I think that could be a definite case in point for the ego comments made earlier. #editorchat
[20:25:18] augustjordan @a2editor and @single_shot both seem to have good line on combo of importance of piece & relationship w/that editor as factors #editorchat
[20:25:22] milehighfool @andwhatsnext That said, I have pushed back from time to time. Rarity may be the key. (2/2) #editorchat
[20:25:25] sooutdoors If its a publication you want a long term relationship with its often wise for a writer to swallow their pride #editorchat
[20:25:34] a2editor @littlebrownpen Lol. I was thinking more along the lines of an “It’s not you…” πŸ˜› #editorchat
[20:25:39] LydiaBreakfast @littlebrownpen @a2editor “It’s not you it’s me.” Or vice versa πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[20:25:45] andwhatsnext @milehighfool LOL – I think there could be, if writer was v respectful & explained the position well. And would defer to me. LOL #editorchat
[20:25:56] MariaKorolov sometimes editors don’t know what they want, or are new, or second-guess themselves… but i haven’t met one like that in years #editorchat
[20:26:02] angie1234p Hi all. Freelance writer/coach here. ‘Listening’ in. #editorchat
[20:26:02] Single_Shot @milehighfool I have some really fabulous editors. And have had debates over big and small issues. Not fired yet! ; ) #editorchat
[20:26:18] RichBecker @andwhatsnext Of course you can you debate safely, provided the issue is valid and well thought out. #editorchat
[20:26:28] jennipps @angie1234p Hi, angie! Great to see you here. #editorchat
[20:26:34] andwhatsnext I think editors (people in general!) are a lot more open to an idea if it’s offered as a suggestion vs a must/demand. #editorchat
[20:26:37] milehighfool @a2editor “There are lots of other writers out there. You’ll meet someone.” πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:26:43] MariaKorolov but the more insecure they are, they less they want to hear that they’re wrong .. especially from a writer #editorchat
[20:26:52] LydiaBreakfast @MariaKorolov many editors at local and regional pubs tend to be younger and have less experience combined with uncertain times #editorchat
[20:26:55] sooutdoors @littlebrownpen absolutely if you have a relationship with the publication a kill fee or other compensation should be discussed #editorchat
[20:26:59] a2editor Keep in mind that some editors have requirements change on them from higherups. In that case, I would ask writer to do me favor. #editorchat
[20:27:10] angie1234p Thanks Jen…the convos sounded good. I couldn’t resist πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:27:21] jennipps @MariaKorolov That’s true for anyone, but I’d imagine especially for someone in authority, like an editor. #editorchat
[20:27:41] littlebrownpen I’ve generally learned from my editors, and the text benefits. And good copyeditors make me weak in the knees. #editorchat
[20:27:43] delwilliams @angie1234p Welcome Angie #editorchat
[20:27:45] Single_Shot @sooutdoors And swallowing pride doesn’t mean selling soul. If u give in on early small stuff, you can win trust/big battles ltr #editorchat
[20:27:59] LydiaBreakfast @palafo where are you when we need you? #editorchat
[20:28:01] andwhatsnext I actually love it when writers take the initiative relate concepts they have discovered doing research or other ideas. #editorchat
[20:28:15] MariaKorolov @LydiaBreakfast then you stroke their egos, and make your suggestions sound like something they thought of #editorchat
[20:28:23] jennipps @Single_Shot And it’s also important to remember, IMO, swallowing pride doesn’t mean selling out either. #editorchat
[20:28:45] angie1234p @delwilliams Thanks πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:28:49] milehighfool @andwhatsnext Sure. That makes your job easier, right? #editorchat
[20:28:51] sooutdoors @a2editor Yes, I think most writers try to be accommodating and work with editors. I know I certainly do. #editorchat
[20:28:52] MariaKorolov @LydiaBreakfast and if they start trusting you, then they can relax and start taking your advice #editorchat
[20:28:52] LydiaBreakfast @andwhatsnext I’ll remember that next time I pitch to you πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[20:28:56] JDEbberly RT @MariaKorolov: @LydiaBreakfast then you stroke their egos, and make your suggestions sound like something they thought of #editorchat
[20:28:59] JenniferNobile Hi everyone, dropping in to see what’s up. #editorchat
[20:29:04] DawnPapandrea The main point is that eds and writers work together to make each other look good. It can’t be viewed as us vs. them. #editorchat
[20:29:33] JDEbberly @JenniferNobile Welcome Jennifer! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:29:34] MariaKorolov @LydiaBreakfast Since I’m far from their newsroom (REALLY far!) sometimes new editors actually call to bitch about other writers #editorchat
[20:29:40] andwhatsnext @LydiaBreakfast Go for it! πŸ™‚ We’re booking further and further ahead, but we’re always open to new voices. #editorchat
[20:29:49] DCgov Editors are self-doubting, too. While I feel there are always things to defend, quality is its best defense. #editorchat
[20:30:02] jennipps @DawnPapandrea The “us vs. them” mentality is big ego at work on both sides, I think. (I”ve seen a few of those.) #editorchat
[20:30:09] Single_Shot @littlebrownpen I get weak in knees over good copyediting, too! #editorchat
[20:30:13] a2editor Now that I’m writing as well as editing, I try to imitate accommodating behavior shown to me by best writers I’ve worked with. #editorchat
[20:30:21] LydiaBreakfast @DawnPapandrea I agree and for ten years I have worked to be a team player (even as freelancer) and good customer service #editorchat
[20:30:24] andwhatsnext @DawnPapandrea Yes – and always remember the ultimate customer: the reader. #editorchat
[20:30:49] LydiaBreakfast @DCgov Agreed #editorchat
[20:31:06] milehighfool @DawnPapandrea And to serve the reader. If the reader isn’t served we all lose. #editorchat
[20:31:30] andwhatsnext @milehighfool LOL GMTA #editorchat
[20:31:34] Single_Shot @jennipps Agreed. Although I’ve considered selling out under a pen name (if the money’s good enough). ; ) #editorchat
[20:31:46] sooutdoors @DawnPapandrea Absolutely. It should never be writers vs editors. Its a team effort…usually:-) #editorchat
[20:32:09] MariaKorolov when I was just starting out I used to get really upset when my editors changed stories to make me sound stupid #editorchat
[20:32:09] jennipps @Single_Shot lol – I think a lot of others would too #editorchat
[20:32:19] DawnPapandrea @andwhatsnext Yes, thus why the editor should have benefit of doubt — she knows her readers better than a hired freelancer. #editorchat
[20:32:23] jennipps RT @sooutdoors @DawnPapandrea Absolutely. It should never be writers vs editors. Its a team effort…usually:-) #editorchat
[20:32:25] milehighfool @andwhatsnext Well then you’ll be hearing from me, too πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:32:33] MariaKorolov now I realize that nobody notices (hmm… wonder why?) … most sources just check to see if I spelled their names right #editorchat
[20:32:47] bizcoachdeb I’m searching for #editorchat live on TweetGrid Search – http://tinyurl.com/dcz377
[20:33:27] Single_Shot @DawnPapandrea Spot on to eds/writers working together! #editorchat
[20:33:28] MariaKorolov and if there’s a part of a story I really really like and slaved over — it’s usually the worst part and *deserves* to be cut #editorchat
[20:33:34] JDEbberly @bizcoachdeb Welcome to Editorchat, Deb! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:33:44] a2editor I once saw hilarious letter written by toaster manual writer who accused his editor of taking the soul out of the piece… #editorchat
[20:33:57] GinaLaGuardia Late to the party, sorry. I’m a former mag EIC; now editorial director for a bunch of sites, I lose count πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:34:05] LydiaBreakfast OK follow up Q: What is the best way to initiate a discussion when an editor and writer don’t see eye-to-eye? #editorchat
[20:34:15] bizcoachdeb @JDEbberly thanks! love the convo here! #editorchat
[20:34:21] JDEbberly @GinaLaGuardia Welcome, Gina! #editorchat
[20:34:26] littlebrownpen A lot of writers take editing personally. I view it as a jumping off point to make something better. Either defend or improve. #editorchat
[20:34:36] MariaKorolov @DawnPapandrea I agree — editors are normally much closer to the readers than anyone else — they see all the stories, feedback #editorchat
[20:34:56] milehighfool @GinaLaGuardia Hi Gina. Glad you could make it. #editorchat
[20:34:57] JDEbberly @bizcoachdeb So do I! You can learn a great deal! #editorchat
[20:35:08] jennipps @littlebrownpen Definitely. Editing is part of the creative process, not something completely opposite as so many see it. #editorchat
[20:35:12] andwhatsnext @littlebrownpen I SO wish writers would really look at my edits (the substantial ones, particularly) and learn from them. #editorchat
[20:35:12] angie1234p @LydiaBreakfast I ask for reasoning behind the changes to find out what their thoughts are. #editorchat
[20:35:14] MSchechter @GinaLaGuardia who does more hashtag convos each week you or @dannybrown? #editorchat
[20:35:15] bizcoachdeb @littlebrownpen agreed and learn something in the process. It’s all a collaboration. #editorchat
[20:35:30] milehighfool @littlebrownpen Also a good way to know what your editor is thinking. Follow the edits to your next story pitch. #editorchat
[20:35:34] LydiaBreakfast Any suggestions for the best way to initiate a discussion when an editor and writer don’t see eye-to-eye? #editorchat
[20:35:52] writepudding @littlebrownpen Very true-I think that’s one way to separate good writers from the bad – they can take criticism constructively #editorchat
[20:35:55] MariaKorolov @LydiaBreakfast my position is: the editor bought the story. they own it. what they do with it is up to them. #editorchat
[20:35:55] GinaLaGuardia @MSchechter I know. I’m an addict. But I learn so much…. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:35:59] KBordessa Jumping in. Freelancer for numerous magazines, specializing in family activities and travel. krisbordessa.com #editorchat
[20:36:01] DawnPapandrea @LydiaBreakfast As long as it’s approached as “how can we make the story better?,” a *good* editor will listen. #editorchat
[20:36:01] angie1234p @LydiaBreakfast Usually they have reasons I either haven’t thought of or didn’t know. #editorchat
[20:36:05] 20orsomething Jumping into the conversation for the next Q: think issues need to be addressed with tact and reasoning for decisions. #editorchat
[20:36:12] JenniferNobile @andwhatsnext do you find that more experienced writers grumble the most? #editorchat
[20:36:20] emorphy Hi, I’m Erika. Sorry I am late. First time here – I am a freelancer writer specializing in real estate and finance. #editorchat
[20:36:24] GinaLaGuardia @milehighfool @ JDEbberly Thanks for the warm welcome. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:36:30] janeco Hi everyone, working while tweeting, freelance writer/editor #editorchat
[20:36:37] MSchechter @GinaLaGuardia I tease, it is all out of envy… looking forward to getting enough jewelers on here to have one of our own πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:36:41] jennipps @LydiaBreakfast Someone said possibly asking about reasoning behind edits could be a good way to start. Could be… #editorchat
[20:36:42] andwhatsnext It’s SUPER rare for a writer to talk to me about changes I’ve made. I’m usu happy to explain especially when it seems artful. #editorchat
[20:36:55] KBordessa @littlebrownpen I’ve had editors really improve my work and some that have hacked it. Mostly, I love my editors! #editorchat
[20:36:56] sooutdoors @LydiaBreakfast If I read your question right You can’t beat a conversation on the phone or in person. Email is too impersonal. #editorchat
[20:37:05] Single_Shot @MariaKorolov If my name’s on it, it’s hard 4 me to take this stance. But I’m definitely open to edits – u have to be. #editorchat
[20:37:14] janeco What is the general concensus on kill fees? #editorchat
[20:37:15] MariaKorolov occasionally an editor will make a factual mistake (because I’m closer to the story) — they’ve never complained hen I fixed it #editorchat
[20:37:23] JDEbberly @emorphy Welcome Erika! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:37:23] andwhatsnext @JenniferNobile I would say more that inexperienced writers just will go with anything – they’re happy to have the assignment. #editorchat
[20:37:29] LydiaBreakfast @sooutdoors good advice, but what do you say? #editorchat
[20:37:43] JenniferNobile @andwhatsnext Do you find new & experienced writers grumbling? #editorchat
[20:37:43] MariaKorolov @Single_Shot nobody notices bylines. and you don’t need to use it as a clip if you don’t want to. #editorchat
[20:37:57] a2editor @sooutdoors You’re right. Phonecalls clear up so many miscommunications, and help you keep the tone positive. Email tone =harsh. #editorchat
[20:37:59] 20orsomething Setting emotions aside b/w editor and writer may be a key to open lines of communication. #editorchat
[20:38:06] abarcelos @MSchechter@GinaLaGuardia @dannybrown Hey posse! What’s #editorchat
[20:38:08] MariaKorolov @Single_Shot and if somebody does notice — blame it on the editor! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:38:23] GinaLaGuardia I’m not one to “hack behind a writer’s back,” as I call it. Good editing should be collaborative. Thank God for MS Word Tracking #editorchat
[20:38:29] littlebrownpen @LydiaBreakfast I say “no problem,” look over the edits and either alter them or follow up with questions. Simple, usually. #editorchat
[20:38:44] DCgov Erika is part of secret DC support group of writers. @emorphy #editorchat
[20:38:49] MariaKorolov when editing writers, I’ve found that the newer the writer, the more attached they get to every single word #editorchat
[20:38:51] andwhatsnext @MariaKorolov I’d want to hear if there’s a factual error – and that the writer caught what we messed up! (Never happens. LOL) #editorchat
[20:39:14] LydiaBreakfast @DCgov You have quite a twosse sir. #editorchat
[20:39:33] Single_Shot @MariaKorolov What? Nobody notices bylines? My god, what a fool I’ve been! ; ) #editorchat
[20:39:37] sooutdoors @janeco It’s one of those things that needs to be discussed up front and depends on the article and amount of research required #editorchat
[20:39:38] GinaLaGuardia @littlebrownpen I heart writers like you πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:39:45] MariaKorolov the NUMBER ONE thing I hate when editing is when I take something out — for good reason — and the writer puts it back in! #editorchat
[20:39:48] andwhatsnext @GinaLaGuardia I am REALLY trying to get out of doing that, but sometimes deadlines are too short to get a rewrite… #editorchat
[20:40:07] ValerieSimon @a2editor always been reluctant to call-know how busy editors are and dont want I tobe seen as perstering #editorchat
[20:40:16] DCgov I dread knowing. A twosse? #editorchat
[20:40:22] andwhatsnext @GinaLaGuardia And it would probably take longer to explain the what and why of my changes. πŸ˜› #editorchat
[20:40:32] BeckyDMBR @a2editor Toaster manual poetry. Sounds like a good blog name. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:40:46] judywriter Editors have taught me how to write & write better since I first started in the biz many years ago Mostly positive. #editorchat
[20:40:48] littlebrownpen I’m spoiled, because when I work with marketing teams, it is a very cool collaboration (usually). Sets the tone for other work. #editorchat
[20:40:48] LydiaBreakfast I am happy to make whatever changes are needed,and in all my years I’ve not had to make many. Just want eds to be accountable to #editorchat
[20:40:49] MariaKorolov @ValerieSimon I’d rather get a call from a writer clarifying a question than to let a story go with a mistake #editorchat
[20:40:57] JDEbberly @DCgov Twosse = Twitter Posse #editorchat
[20:41:00] a2editor @ValerieSimon I was actually thinking of the editor calling the writer. As a writer, I might arrange a time to discuss. #editorchat
[20:41:08] sooutdoors Writing is easy; editing is hard: but writing is editing so writing is hard #editorchat
[20:41:24] ValerieSimon @MariaKorolov Good to hear! #editorchat
[20:41:31] angie1234p @judywriter Great point! After all, who better to learn from. #editorchat
[20:41:35] LydiaBreakfast @DCgov DC support group “posse” on twitter is a “twosse” I digress. #editorchat
[20:41:36] DawnPapandrea From the editor side, I include notes with my edits, so they’re not out of left field. Writers appreciate that! #editorchat
[20:41:38] milehighfool @DCgov twosse= twitter posse. #editorchat
[20:41:39] MariaKorolov @ValerieSimon stories get re-arranged, attributions lost, key facts cuts, typos added during editing. editors know this. #editorchat
[20:41:59] judywriter The highest compliment I can get as an editor is that I made it better…or caught an embarrassing mistake. #editorchat
[20:42:07] MSchechter @abarcelos another snazzy convo that is relevant to folks like @ginalaguardia #editorchat
[20:42:08] jennipps RT @sooutdoors Writing is easy; editing is hard: but writing is editing so writing is hard #editorchat
[20:42:16] a2editor @ValerieSimon …unless it’s a quick question. But as an editor I would appreciate time to look at the Qs before discussing. #editorchat
[20:42:21] jennipps RT @DawnPapandrea From the editor side, I include notes with my edits, so they’re not out of left field. Writers appreciate that #editorchat
[20:42:28] 20orsomething @DawnPapandrea I absolutely agree with notes; I want them to understand what changes I’m making and why. #editorchat
[20:42:29] ValerieSimon @a2editor ahhh.. have only gotten a few calls from editors to discuss articles. Always much appreciated #editorchat
[20:42:35] milehighfool @judywriter Same. Sharp editors have helped to make me a better writer. #editorchat
[20:42:43] JDEbberly RT @jennipps: RT @sooutdoors Writing is easy; editing is hard: but writing is editing so writing is hard #editorchat
[20:42:43] MariaKorolov the more experienced the writer i work for, the more likely they are to tell style edits from factual edits, and ignore style #editorchat
[20:42:44] jennipps @DawnPapandrea I certainly do/would! #editorchat
[20:42:57] sooutdoors @LydiaBreakfast A good writer looses their ego very early in their writing career. #editorchat
[20:43:07] SternalPR Can someone tell me if #editorchat is tonight or tomorrow?
[20:43:13] littlebrownpen Me too. RT: @milehighfool @judywriter Same. Sharp editors have helped to make me a better writer. #editorchat
[20:43:14] MariaKorolov i mean, the more experienced the writer I work WITH … #editorchat
[20:43:21] bizcoachdeb RT @sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast A good writer looses their ego very early in their writing career. #editorchat so true
[20:43:25] milehighfool RT @sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast A good writer looses their ego very early in their writing career. #editorchat
[20:43:25] judywriter @angie1234p I’ve been lucky to have some really terrific editors. We editors have editors too! #editorchat
[20:43:30] Single_Shot @DawnPapandrea Most of my big edits take place in track changes. Love that as a way for ed & writer to exchange ideas/reasons. #editorchat
[20:43:31] MariaKorolov @sooutdoors i agree. ego is the number one enemy of writers #editorchat
[20:43:34] jennipps RT @sooutdoors @LydiaBreakfast A good writer loses their ego very early in their writing career. #editorchat
[20:43:38] JDEbberly @SternalPR It;s going on right now πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:43:41] bizcoachdeb the point of the piece should be to edify, not sell your ego #editorchat
[20:43:41] a2editor @SternalPR Editorchat is going on right now. Come join! #editorchat
[20:43:50] LydiaBreakfast @sooutdoors checked mine at the door years ago πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[20:43:53] GinaLaGuardia To me, editing is a conversation w/the writer. @DawnPapandrea and I are from the same school of thought. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:44:02] jennipps @judywriter I know editors have editors, but it just sounds/looks odd to see it written out like that. *s* #editorchat
[20:44:10] MariaKorolov @milehighfool but an editor needs to have a huge ego — to be able to change everything at will and think they know best #editorchat
[20:44:19] DawnPapandrea @Single_Shot and @ginalaguardia — Same here. #editorchat
[20:44:20] JDEbberly RT @bizcoachdeb: the point of the piece should be to edify, not sell your ego #editorchat
[20:44:28] SternalPR @JDEbberly Hmmm for some reason I thought it was on Thurs nights. #editorchat
[20:44:43] MariaKorolov if a writer has ego, and editor has ego: recipe for big clash of wills #editorchat
[20:44:47] littlebrownpen @GinaLaGuardia I like that school of thought. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[20:44:49] DawnPapandrea I actually learned from the best! Shout out to @GinaLaGuardia. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:45:02] jennipps RT @JDEbberly RT @bizcoachdeb: the point of the piece should be to edify, not sell your ego #editorchat
[20:45:10] JDEbberly RETWEET! @milehighfool but an editor needs to have a huge ego, to be able to change everything at will and think they know best #editorchat
[20:45:20] janeco Editors/writers, we all have egos, some hv it more in check than others #editorchat
[20:45:28] LPinMissouri hi, just joining. what about when the “editor” is a biz person, for example: corp publication? #editorchat
[20:45:29] angie1234p @judywriter It sounds funny, but I prefer to send to an editor rather than directly to a client. More work, but I gain more. #editorchat
[20:45:31] milehighfool A thought: if the editor has to work overtime on a piece, isn’t it the writer’s problem? (1/2) #editorchat
[20:45:43] JDEbberly @SternalPR That’s cool, you’ve made it! Enjoy! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:45:59] LydiaBreakfast @LPinMissouri good, you’re in πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:46:07] milehighfool And, if so, he;s not going to be invited back, right? (2/2) #editorchat
[20:46:08] jennipps @milehighfool IMO, definitely! #editorchat
[20:46:17] 20orsomething @DawnPapandrea Clash of egos only serve to interrupt the final product. #editorchat
[20:46:21] abarcelos @MSchechter You cannot mess with the caliber of @ginalaguardia regarding editorial subject matter. I’m not worthy. #editorchat
[20:46:24] milehighfool RT @LPinMissouri: hi, just joining. what about when the “editor” is a biz person, for example: corp publication? #editorchat
[20:46:25] LPinMissouri @LydiaBreakfast thanks. nice to be here #editorchat
[20:46:27] GinaLaGuardia @judywriter Good point! #editorchat
[20:46:46] littlebrownpen @milehighfool Yes. Editing in the best case scenario would be a voice/tone check and a tightening/second pair of eyes. #editorchat
[20:46:51] jennipps @milehighfool THat’s the way I’ve understood things to be. And if that’s really the case, rightly so. #editorchat
[20:47:21] judywriter @angie1234p I can understand that. Clients usually have bigger egos than editors, IMHO. #editorchat
[20:47:24] 20orsomething Sorry, that was for @MariaKorolov #editorchat
[20:47:31] MSchechter @abarcelos that is why @ginalaguardia ‘s inner superhero is Grammar Girl! #editorchat
[20:47:56] janeco @milehighfool If I have to rework a writer’s piece too many times, I won’t be working with that writer again #editorchat
[20:48:00] LydiaBreakfast Egos notwithstanding, better writer/editor relationships occur when all are willing to accept responsibility and be accountable #editorchat
[20:48:06] MariaKorolov @20orsomething the editor is a proxy for the reader. he/she wants stories that are easy to read, informative, etc… #editorchat
[20:48:16] angie1234p @judywriter Yes, and in those cases, it often prevents them from getting the quality product they should. #editorchat
[20:48:20] DawnPapandrea As a writer: My best freelance clip is one I had to rework with the ed 3 times… looking back, version 3 was so much better! #editorchat
[20:48:22] janeco @LydiaBreakfast agree 100% #editorchat
[20:48:24] GinaLaGuardia @MariaKorolov I don’t see making changes as an ego-driven thing. I think it’s more of an experiential-based judgement call. #editorchat
[20:48:31] bizcoachdeb @judywriter and sometimes are the worst offenders of what is useful content (re: clients) #editorchat
[20:48:39] a2editor @MariaKorolov Depends on the type of changes. Editor that doesn’t know best re: style, grammar, pub’s requirements is a bad edtr #editorchat
[20:48:44] MariaKorolov @20orsomething a writer with a big ego is like a rude French waiter — you will eat zis, whezer you like it or not! #editorchat
[20:48:46] ValerieSimon @DawnPapandrea Agreed! #editorchat
[20:48:49] jennipps @LydiaBreakfast Accountability, I think, is the main key. At least, that’s the way I see it. As a writer, if I screw, tell me! #editorchat
[20:49:00] GinaLaGuardia @abarcelos @MSchechter Grammar geek, loud and proud. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:49:21] milehighfool @judywriter Yes. Because only a client would make you rewrite something to reinsert words you’ve previously removed. Not bitter. #editorchat
[20:49:22] karonwarren @LydiaBreakfast Agreed, but many editors also have egos that can get in the way of that process #editorchat
[20:49:24] MariaKorolov @a2editor then you wait for them to get fired. and turnover is REALLY high these days — it won’t take long 😦 or they’ll learn #editorchat
[20:49:27] LPinMissouri @judywriter That has been my experience #editorchat
[20:49:34] jennipps (and it doesn’t have to be a big screw-up to hold me accountable *s*) #editorchat
[20:49:35] MSchechter @GinaLaGuardia one of these days you and my wife are going to have one hell of a grammar conversation! #editorchat
[20:49:59] augustjordan @LydiaBreakfast is right – it’s about maturity and building a good relationship between writer and editor #editorchat
[20:50:11] angie1234p At the same time, you need to handle clients carefully. It is a small world, and words travel faster than ever. #editorchat
[20:50:15] thebrandbuilder RT @LydiaBreakfast: “Better writer/editor relationships occur when all are willing to accept responsibility and be accountable” #editorchat
[20:50:15] 20orsomething @MariaKorolov Great analogy πŸ˜‰ I completely agree; both ends have jobs to do to serve the reader; Writer wants story told… #editorchat
[20:50:25] judywriter Writing for an in-house pub/client is the toughest due to pressure to include/exclude s’thing, etc. Journalism easier. #editorchat
[20:50:30] a2editor @MariaKorolov Yes, or you try to avoid working with them. I can’t imagine wking w/ an editor who made bad calls on basic edits. #editorchat
[20:50:32] jennipps RT @augustjordan @LydiaBreakfast is right – it’s about maturity and building a good relationship between writer and editor #editorchat
[20:50:43] JDEbberly ETWEET! @LydiaBreakfast is right – it’s about maturity and building a good relationship between writer and editor #editorchat
[20:50:48] 20orsomething @MariaKorolov Editor wants it to be *good* #editorchat
[20:50:59] MariaKorolov @a2editor more likely, the editor just has different opinions about grammar — plenty of stuff is arbitrary. just let it go. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:51:20] LydiaBreakfast The right (and professional)thing to do is admit to heavy handed prose (writers) and changes of direction (eds) #editorchat
[20:51:28] LPinMissouri @judywriter agreed! #editorchat
[20:51:30] judywriter @angie1234p Ironic, isn’t it, that clients’ pressure keeps them from getting the quality product they should? Gd pt! #editorchat
[20:51:30] karonwarren @judywriter That is so true! #editorchat
[20:51:58] a2editor @MariaKorolov Often editors are working w/ in-house style guidelines that help them standardize the arbitrary stuff…I hope. #editorchat
[20:53:08] thebrandbuilder @CathyWebSavvyPR It’s going on right now, from what I can see. #editorchat
[20:53:11] milehighfool @a2editor Style guides can be helpful, especially if you’re new and in a specialized industry. Tech and finance, for ex. #editorchat
[20:53:11] littlebrownpen @a2editor Agree. I always refer to the style guides, which makes everyone’s life easier. #editorchat
[20:53:24] karonwarren @a2editor @MariaKorolov You would think so, but that’s not always the case. #editorchat
[20:53:27] MariaKorolov @a2editor so if they violate their own style guide – ask politely if the style guide has changed. usually they go “oops” and fix #editorchat
[20:53:56] MariaKorolov for corporate clients — often the only reader are the execs themselves (who really reads those press releases, anyway??) #editorchat
[20:54:10] DawnPapandrea Writers can’t sweat the small stuff… arguing over semicolons and preferred style is a waste of an ed’s time. #editorchat
[20:54:10] milehighfool Related Q: How about your success stories working through a stalled story? #editorchat
[20:54:14] JenniferNobile @MariaKorolov Are style guidelines something you get once you have a contract / job assignment (can you tell I’m a newbie?) #editorchat
[20:54:18] MariaKorolov so corporate clients want to read good things written about themselves — why not? they’re the main audience. #editorchat
[20:54:48] jennipps @DawnPapandrea I think it’d be a waste of the writer’s time, too. #editorchat
[20:54:51] MariaKorolov @JenniferNobile if you don’t have a style guide, you fake it — search the pub for previous instances whenever you have a Q #editorchat
[20:54:59] LPinMissouri but style guides only address the finer points. what about big picture/direction? #editorchat
[20:55:00] Single_Shot @DawnPapandrea Nobody argues over semicolons, do they? Sheesh – what a nightmare! #editorchat
[20:55:01] GinaLaGuardia RT @DawnPapandrea: Writers can’t sweat the small stuff… arguing over semicolons and preferred style is a waste of an ed’s time #editorchat
[20:55:23] judywriter @JoodyC Definitely agree! Tweeting is great writing exercise! #editorchat
[20:55:26] milehighfool @MariaKorolov Precisely. It’s the simplest way to “work from the same page,” as we said at the outset. #editorchat
[20:55:40] jennipps RT @DawnPapandrea Writers can’t sweat the small stuff… arguing over semicolons and preferred style is a waste of an ed’s time. #editorchat
[20:55:45] GinaLaGuardia @Single_Shot Ha– you’d be surprised! 😦 #editorchat
[20:55:50] JDEbberly RT @judywriter: @JoodyC Definitely agree! Tweeting is great writing exercise! #editorchat
[20:55:50] Single_Shot @milehighfool Define stalled story? #editorchat
[20:56:00] DawnPapandrea @MariaKorolov Right! Corporate or advertorial writing is a whole different ball game. Writers must give in on those pieces. #editorchat
[20:56:00] bizcoachdeb no argue from me on punctuation – if an editor catches, TG. #editorchat
[20:56:00] andwhatsnext @JenniferNobile Usually style guidelines are available before – but if you don’t find them, ask! #editorchat
[20:56:02] littlebrownpen RT: GinaLaGuardia @DawnPapandrea: Writers can’t sweat the small stuff… arguing over semicolons and style is a waste of time #editorchat
[20:56:11] jennipps @milehighfool A stalled story isn’t something I’ve had to deal with yet. #editorchat
[20:56:24] LydiaBreakfast @Single_Shot you deliver a piece and you and the editor reach an impasse #editorchat
[20:56:29] MariaKorolov @DawnPapandrea and you don’t get a byline usually — so WHO CARES what changes they make #editorchat
[20:56:35] milehighfool @Single_Shot Nah, not over semi-colons. I’m referring mostly to special terms, stuff like that. #editorchat
[20:56:55] connectingwomen what’s the topic? #editorchat
[20:56:55] JenniferNobile @andwhatsnext Are they the same as “writer’s guidelines” – stuff you find in Writer’s market or on pub websites? #editorchat
[20:57:03] milehighfool @Single_Shot Where you and the editor couldn’t agree. How did you work through it? #editorchat
[20:57:05] LPinMissouri @judywriter ha! editors all over the world are cringing right now. twitter=no grammar rules πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:57:09] judywriter @milehighfool When I’m stalled, I sometimes go to my editor for perspective or just walk around the block. #editorchat
[20:57:12] DawnPapandrea @MariaKorolov LOL — very true! Those are straight up paycheck assignments. #editorchat
[20:57:17] ValerieSimon @MariaKorolov plus they hirred you. Need to do what makes them happy. #editorchat
[20:57:35] jennipps @JenniferNobile Sometimes the guidelines cover style elements, but not always, so it could be part of it or completely separate. #editorchat
[20:57:42] Single_Shot @GinaLaGuardia Just realized I’ve had an ongoing parenthetical issue w/one of my (fabulous!) eds who hates it when I do that. #editorchat
[20:57:49] angie1234p @DawnPapandrea Absolutely. If my name isn’t on it and the money is good, they can hack away. #editorchat
[20:57:54] sooutdoors @milehighfool researched and wrote a lengthy article for a NGO. It was edited by committee. Editor+committee=writers nightmare #editorchat
[20:58:03] JDEbberly @connectingwomen Welcome to Editorchat! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:58:07] jennipps @LPinMissouri Shucks, sometimes — a lot of times — *I* cringe, too. Especially when I have to do it myself. #editorchat
[20:58:24] LydiaBreakfast @Single_Shot Love the parens myself – how did you learn of the issue? #editorchat
[20:58:31] judywriter @LPinMissouri I think editors know that twitter is not the real world. LOL Kills me to compromise to fit into 140. #editorchat
[20:58:36] andwhatsnext @JenniferNobile Usually (if avail) they are a little more detailed. Not just how to pitch, but how to format, abbrev to use, etc #editorchat
[20:58:38] MariaKorolov the editing-by-committee is why you get paid more for corp. work — the annoyance factor #editorchat
[20:58:39] GinaLaGuardia @Single_Shot LOL. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:58:45] milehighfool @judywriter Good idea. I also talk with other writers and former editors. Often they have an idea. #editorchat
[20:58:58] judywriter @jennipps LOL, me too! #editorchat
[20:59:13] LPinMissouri @judywriter Yes but it’s sooooo liberating! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:59:18] milehighfool @sooutdoors Ouch! How did you get through the issue? #editorchat
[20:59:22] a2editor Twitter is murder on punctuation/grammar, but it does force you to write concisely. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:59:24] MariaKorolov the single worst thing a writer can do to me is submit a completely unusable story and then argue about it #editorchat
[20:59:26] BeckyDMBR @DawnPapandrea Notes are good. #editorchat
[20:59:32] andwhatsnext When in doubt, send chocolates to your editor. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[20:59:34] karonwarren OK. Time to get Lost. Hopefully will make it here a little earlier next week. #editorchat
[20:59:39] littlebrownpen @milehighfool Same here. I have other writers and copyeditors to bounce things off of. #editorchat
[20:59:40] MariaKorolov i’ve had writers totally miss the point of the pub (do a consumer story, for example, instead of a business story) #editorchat
[20:59:44] JenniferNobile @jennipps @andwhatsnext So when sending queries, is it best to ask for “style” guidelines directly, just to be sure? #editorchat
[20:59:44] bizcoachdeb RT @a2editor: Twitter is murder on punctuation/grammar, but it does force you to write concisely. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:59:51] connectingwomen @JDEbberly Thanks. #editorchat
[20:59:54] Single_Shot @LydiaBreakfast My editors always send me edits of my pieces, either via track chnges or otherwise. Then we hash things out. #editorchat
[20:59:57] DawnPapandrea It’s been fun chatting with everyone. But I must confess… I’m LOST-obsessed, and it’s time. G’night! #editorchat
[20:59:57] 20orsomething @sooutdoors Sounds like too many people adding their $.02 πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[21:00:20] MariaKorolov and if they apologize and rewrite, i’ll work with them again. if they argue, i have to reassign and start from scratch #editorchat
[21:00:26] judywriter @sooutdoors Anything edited by committee is a lose-lose. #editorchat
[21:00:26] jennipps @DawnPapandrea I don’t know. I’ve never done that so far. (I haven’t been querying/submitting very long myself.) #editorchat
[21:00:26] JDEbberly @karonwarren Loved your tweets! Looking forward to seeing you next editorchat! #editorchat
[21:00:43] GinaLaGuardia RT @a2editor: Twitter is murder on punctuation/grammar, but it does force you to write concisely. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:00:46] a2editor @andwhatsnext Actually, we had a writer at a mag I wked for who sent Godiva TOWERS. He didn’t need to, but I remembr him. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:00:47] milehighfool About 30 minutes left — great stuff so far — ar 9:25 pm EST we will stop for a one-line intro or pitch and link. Done at 9:30 #editorchat
[21:00:56] JDEbberly @DawnPapandrea Have a wonderful evening, Dawn! Enjoy LOST! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:01:15] bizcoachdeb RT @sooutdoors Anything edited by committee is a lose-lose. #editorchat – I think it’s the quickest way to sterilize a piece
[21:01:22] milehighfool RT @judywriter: @sooutdoors Anything edited by committee is a lose-lose. (AMEN) #editorchat
[21:01:23] LPinMissouri @DawnPapandrea goodnight #editorchat
[21:01:23] sooutdoors @milehighfool Editor was reasonable and in the end we reached a compromise. Pay was good though! #editorchat
[21:01:31] CathyWebSavvyPR @JDEbberly who is the #editorchat organizer(s) & what time is start/end? Been @ a client’s office all day. Love your info last night #GNO
[21:01:44] andwhatsnext @a2editor He’d be a keeper! Regardless of his writing talent. LOL #editorchat
[21:01:54] Tweet_Schleuder RT @andwhatsnext: @a2editor He’d be a keeper! Regardless of his writing talent. LOL #editorchat (Ad: http://tinyurl.com/cymt7l)
[21:01:57] jennipps RT @milehighfool RT @judywriter: @sooutdoors Anything edited by committee is a lose-lose. (AMEN) #editorchat
[21:02:02] GinaLaGuardia @Single_Shot That’s the best way to work. #editorchat
[21:02:19] andwhatsnext @sooutdoors ANYTHING creative worked over by a committee is lose-lose. πŸ˜› #editorchat
[21:02:26] GinaLaGuardia @DawnPapandrea See you tomorrow. #editorchat
[21:02:37] sooutdoors @bizcoachdeb That is actually what happened in the end. I didn’t want my name tagged to the article, but was happy to accept pay #editorchat
[21:02:40] MariaKorolov keep in mind: if it’s a good editor, your competitors all want to work with them. bad editors – you’ve got more job security πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:02:40] RealTimeTrends #editorchat – is now the #6 trend on twitter. Follow here: http://idek.net/2DG – twIRC Channel: http://idek.net/3XV
[21:02:43] JDEbberly @CathyWebSavvyPR Org is @milehighfool & @LydiaBreakfast 7-830pm CST #editorchat
[21:02:46] jennipps Agreed! RT @andwhatsnext @sooutdoors ANYTHING creative worked over by a committee is lose-lose. πŸ˜› #editorchat
[21:02:51] tweet_trends #editorchat: [twitter] http://tinyurl.com/atoprh
[21:02:52] milehighfool @sooutdoors Did you have to call? Face-to-face? What turned it for you? #editorchat
[21:02:55] LydiaBreakfast @CathyWebSavvyPR go to editorchat.wordpress.com for complete info #editorchat
[21:03:00] a2editor Ah, but he was a lovely writer. The best. It’s the ones who call to bark at me who should send chocolates. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:03:11] simplyfabulous @GinaLaGuardia Hey. Just stumbled into #editorchat. What’s it about??
[21:03:27] MariaKorolov coddle your bad editors. pamper them. while the other writers curse them and call them names — they’ll turn to you for solace! #editorchat
[21:03:33] Single_Shot @GinaLaGuardia I think it helps to talk up front (w/new editor) re editing style. I always ask if I’ll have a chance to see edit #editorchat
[21:03:48] GinaLaGuardia @simplyfabulous Exactly what it sounds like — eds and writers. Hop in. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:03:57] LydiaBreakfast @simplyfabulous go to editorchat.wordpress.com to get the full story #editorchat
[21:04:07] JDEbberly @simplyfabulous go to editorchat.wordpress.com for complete info #editorchat
[21:04:12] a2editor …or the ones who insist on using 5 semicolons in a row… #editorchat
[21:04:15] augustjordan my experience has been if conflicting views arise, began pas de deux until resolution; maybe very quick or can protract; varies. #editorchat
[21:04:40] JenniferNobile I’m off to watch Lost – this is a great chat, can’t wait for next week. G’night. #editorchat
[21:04:47] simplyfabulous @LydiaBreakfast and @JDEbberly Thanks!! Will do πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:05:07] LydiaBreakfast @augustjordan pas de deux, you are kind πŸ™‚ sounds like it is a duel for others. #editorchat
[21:05:08] MariaKorolov @Single_Shot the best thing is just read a few back issues of the pub. saves a LOT of conversation! focus on stories like yours #editorchat
[21:05:20] milehighfool @a2editor no serial semicolons? Uh-oh πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:05:21] sooutdoors @milehighfool Phone meeting; Editor had to bow to the wishes of the committee (his bosses) but showed empathy, which did help. #editorchat
[21:05:29] GinaLaGuardia @Single_Shot Better that way all around. I know that when I edit, I may miss something. I depend on writer to edit ME, too! #editorchat
[21:05:32] JDEbberly @JenniferNobile Looking forward to seeing you back in a week! Enjoy! #editorchat
[21:05:40] MariaKorolov i’ve worked with a number of writers who NEVER read the pub — VERY frustrating! #editorchat
[21:05:41] littlebrownpen If you bite the editor’s hand, the feeding stops. #editorchat
[21:05:50] connectingwomen @MariaKorolov you should know the market or at least have an idea what the publication is about. #editorchat
[21:05:51] simplyfabulous @GinaLaGuardia Excellent. Seems slower than #gno.. It’s nice for beginners like me haha #editorchat
[21:06:21] milehighfool @sooutdoors That’s a great story. A victory for you but not a huge loss for your editor, either. #editorchat
[21:06:23] jennipps RT @littlebrownpen If you bite the editor’s hand, the feeding stops. #editorchat
[21:06:24] a2editor Once the sentence was over a page long…lunchtime! πŸ˜› #editorchat
[21:06:32] simplyfabulous @MariaKorolov How can those people think they will do well at the pitching/assignments?! #editorchat
[21:06:38] JDEbberly RT @littlebrownpen: If you bite the editor’s hand, the feeding stops. #editorchat
[21:06:39] ValerieSimon RT littlebrownpen If you bite the editor’s hand, the feeding stops. #editorchat – #editorchat
[21:06:40] jennipps @littlebrownpen Makes the editor sound a bit like a zookeeper, but I understand the meaning. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:06:43] 20orsomething Always admired strong relationships b/w editor and writer,w/good communication; those are the kind I look forward to cultivating #editorchat
[21:06:58] Single_Shot @MariaKorolov This is w/regard to their editing process. It’s nice 2 know if they send it to u in track changes or what. #editorchat
[21:07:02] bizcoachdeb @MariaKorolov that’s just wrong – how can they write intelligently about it?! #editorchat
[21:07:25] sooutdoors @milehighfool I would gladly write for him again, but not for the committee πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:07:26] MariaKorolov @simplyfabulous big egos πŸ™‚ or they think the editor needs to spell every single thing out for them personally. #editorchat
[21:07:29] milehighfool @littlebrownpen She may also bite back. #editorchat
[21:07:42] jennipps @bizcoachdeb That’s what I was wondering. #editorchat
[21:08:06] MariaKorolov @simplyfabulous editors often don’t have the time to explain every single little thing about the magazine and the assignment #editorchat
[21:08:09] LydiaBreakfast Does anyone else have a best practice story/example? #editorchat
[21:08:18] judywriter @GinaLaGuardia It’s harder to write short than long, don’t you think? Have to *really* get it to write short. #editorchat
[21:08:18] Burnsie_SEO RT @angie1234p: At the same time, you need to handle clients carefully. It is a small world, and words travel faster than ever. #editorchat
[21:08:22] MariaKorolov @simplyfabulous unless the writer asks, they assume they know #editorchat
[21:08:27] Single_Shot @littlebrownpen I thought writers who never read the publications they pitch was an urban legend. ; ) #editorchat
[21:08:28] milehighfool @sooutdoors Smart. Committees are dar too common when it comes to corporate writing. But, the pay is good. #editorchat
[21:08:49] connectingwomen Editors shouldn’t have to explain every single little about the magazine or assignment because prospective writers should know. #editorchat
[21:08:52] littlebrownpen @Single_Shot LOL. #editorchat
[21:08:57] simplyfabulous @MariaKorolov The only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked, right?? LOL #editorchat
[21:09:09] MariaKorolov @Single_Shot consumer pubs — sure, writers read. business and trade pubs — not so much. #editorchat
[21:09:09] milehighfool @judywriter Or you have to practice like crazy. I have a hard time going over 600 words now. #editorchat
[21:09:10] GinaLaGuardia @judywriter Oh yeah… and this from someone who has a tendency to go WAY long. Twitter has tamed me. #editorchat
[21:09:14] connectingwomen @judywriter Twitter is great practice for that. lol #editorchat
[21:09:26] Single_Shot @a2editor A page-long paragraph? What, did Charles Dickens submit something? ; ) #editorchat
[21:09:30] jennipps @connectingwomen And even a little market research would tell the writer a lot of what they would ask. #editorchat
[21:09:35] bizcoachdeb Corp writing is great, but a writer should have stronger negotiating skills in this arena IMHO if it’s for marcom. #editorchat
[21:09:51] littlebrownpen Bottom line for me is, I make my editors happy. Even with a ton of experience, those contacts mean everything. #editorchat
[21:10:00] LydiaBreakfast Does anyone else have a best practice story/example? #editorchat
[21:10:02] simplyfabulous @GinaLaGuardia LOL. It’s true! Twitter is good training in cutting down and being more concise! #editorchat
[21:10:02] whatthetrend Why is #editorchat trending? Help explain why at What The Trend? http://wttrend.com/462
[21:10:05] andwhatsnext @MariaKorolov I wish I has the time/energy to spell out – but just don’t. My fave writers are the ones that GET IT even without. #editorchat
[21:10:08] judywriter @GinaLaGuardia LOL So it took Twitter to tame you? #editorchat
[21:10:12] jennipps @milehighfool Me too! I have an on-spec assignment for 1200 words due next month. I could be in trouble. #editorchat
[21:10:12] bizcoachdeb @jennipps so agree. #editorchat
[21:10:12] connectingwomen @jennipps Totally. Just like with other careers and jobs, you have to know some things before you go in. #editorchat
[21:10:20] a2editor @Single_Shot. Oh no: a page-long sentence! He believed in deregulation of semicolons. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:10:29] JudySL good evening all – I’m a freelance editor (westchester weddings/the wag) and a sometimes PR person (that pays the bills) #editorchat
[21:10:29] ValerieSimon @connectingwomen Great practice, but hard not to be mortified by my errors or “Twoops” as @profnet said earlier #editorchat
[21:10:31] GinaLaGuardia @littlebrownpen We need to work together! #editorchat
[21:10:56] littlebrownpen @GinaLaGuardia You know where to find me. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[21:10:58] judywriter @milehighfool I’m used to writing short for wkly pub & am writing a book! Tough transition! #editorchat
[21:11:02] JDEbberly RT @GinaLaGuardia LOL. It’s true! Twitter is good training in cutting down and being more concise! #editorchat
[21:11:07] milehighfool @littlebrownpen It’s how the bread gets buttered, the palm gets greased, and the kids get fed πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:11:22] GinaLaGuardia @a2editor A page-long sentence? MEGO…….. #editorchat
[21:11:31] LadyHoldem @milehighfool Amen. #editorchat
[21:11:36] MariaKorolov @LydiaBreakfast best practice about what? negotiating with editors? my advice: insist on facts, let the editor decide all else #editorchat
[21:12:00] milehighfool How about one more success story in our last 15 minutes before intros? #editorchat
[21:12:12] littlebrownpen @milehighfool Exactly. It’s just the dynamic. The sooner new writers figure that out, the happier they’ll be. #editorchat
[21:12:35] Single_Shot @a2editor Sorry, yes, meant page-long sentence. What a loon! And no chocolate either, eh? #editorchat
[21:12:37] MariaKorolov @LydiaBreakfast and if corp client — don’t even insist on the facts πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:13:30] bizcoachdeb RT @MariaKorolov: @LydiaBreakfast and if corp client — don’t even insist on the facts πŸ™‚ #editorchat – lol
[21:13:31] LPinMissouri @JudySL me, too. nice to know someone else in that boat #editorchat
[21:13:36] milehighfool My favorite success story is recent. Almost lost a Google piece b/c Twitter was a source. #editorchat
[21:13:40] MariaKorolov success story: one editor added 500 word digression about Star Trek (into unrel. story ). sure. why not. i got paid for the 500! #editorchat
[21:14:19] milehighfool Legal said we couldn’t use even though I had permission from the source. #editorchat
[21:14:55] janeco sorry, had to jump out, what’s the question now? #editorchat
[21:15:04] milehighfool Truth be told, the story *was* thin. Editor called me on it was dead right. #editorchat
[21:15:05] littlebrownpen @milehighfool It will be interesting watch the evolution of twitter as a source. #editorchat
[21:15:13] andwhatsnext @milehighfool Did you ultimately get to use the source? #editorchat
[21:15:25] LydiaBreakfast @janeco share any best practice stories #editorchat
[21:15:27] JDEbberly @janeco One more success story #editorchat
[21:15:52] milehighfool @andwhatsnext No. Editor called me on it and she was right. #editorchat
[21:16:18] milehighfool @andwhatsnext Truth is, my angle was thin and she was right to call me on it. #editorchat
[21:16:23] LynnMcFarlane @milehighfool congrats on #editorchat reaching top 10 trending list
[21:16:30] MariaKorolov un-success story: editor added “Islamic separatist” to describe someone in war zone who wasn’t. i could have gotten killed. #editorchat
[21:16:37] Single_Shot @milehighfool Did you find a new source then? Or was the story trashed? #editorchat
[21:16:37] janeco @littlebrownpen I would never use twitter as “the” source but rather as a lead to further research #editorchat
[21:16:42] MariaKorolov after that, anything else seems really minor! #editorchat
[21:16:54] JudySL I’m going to be training an AP writer in twitterquette next week. #editorchat
[21:16:56] LydiaBreakfast Still waiting for a good outcome on my latest story #editorchat
[21:17:00] milehighfool So, we talked by phone and, together, came up with a new angle. I pitched her till we had something. #editorchat
[21:17:06] jennipps @janeco I’ve done that quite often lately. #editorchat
[21:17:34] milehighfool Plus, I was able to get a different soure. Revised story ran the next day. #editorchat
[21:17:49] Single_Shot @milehighfool I call that pitch-slapping. ; ) #editorchat
[21:17:52] connectingwomen @janeco Depending who is the twitter source. there are many reputable people on Twitter. #editorchat
[21:18:05] janeco @jennipps I hear you, even if it’s from a respected media twitterer #editorchat
[21:18:19] milehighfool RT @Single_Shot: @milehighfool I call that pitch-slapping. ; ) #editorchat (BAM!)
[21:18:22] JDEbberly RT @connectingwomen: @janeco Depending who is the twitter source. there are many reputable people on Twitter. #editorchat
[21:18:27] a2editor I recently was told my article for Automobile Quarterly was “perfect” on submission! Not ex. of best practices, but good news! #editorchat
[21:18:35] MariaKorolov twitter is a great way to find sources — then you contact them and ask for an interview #editorchat
[21:18:41] judywriter @MariaKorolov Scary when editor’s ignorance, not malice, screws you up. #editorchat
[21:18:42] jennipps @janeco Sometimes even especially then. *s* Where’d they get their info and the like. #editorchat
[21:18:51] RealTimeTrends #editorchat – has risen to the #5 trend on twitter. Follow here: http://idek.net/2DG – twIRC Channel: http://idek.net/3XV
[21:19:10] jennipps RT @MariaKorolov twitter is a great way to find sources — then you contact them and ask for an interview #editorchat
[21:19:13] connectingwomen @JDEbberly thanks for the RT. I have used many people from Twitter for my blogs and radio show. #editorchat
[21:19:19] kimbui someone should organize #webproducerchat since #journchat and #editorchat already exist.
[21:19:20] JDEbberly RT @MariaKorolov: twitter is a great way to find sources — then you contact them and ask for an interview #editorchat
[21:19:28] milehighfool @a2editor That *is* a great story. Congratulations! #editorchat
[21:19:29] janeco @connectingwomen i know but even the most respected journos now twittering get it wrong sometimes. Besides, u need corroboration #editorchat
[21:19:30] Willowbottom Checking in, so late — so many #editorchat tweets to read! #editorchat
[21:19:40] MariaKorolov @judywriter it was a new editor, on the london desk, doing the subedits (not my reg ed), far from the war zone #editorchat
[21:19:49] JDEbberly RT @kimbui: someone should organize #webproducerchat since #journchat and #editorchat already exist.
[21:20:06] JDEbberly @connectingwomen You’re welcome. #editorchat
[21:20:12] janeco @connectingwomen they provide great info, insight and leads #editorchat
[21:20:16] judywriter @connectingwomen Everything from best-selling authors to movie stars & musical performers! #editorchat
[21:20:28] BeckyDMBR Sorry. Having Twitter problems (twitterpations?) tonight. #editorchat
[21:20:31] JudySL My editorial work tends to be local – I’m finding that local sources are hard to collect on twitter – any tips? #editorchat
[21:20:32] sooutdoors RT @Single_Shot: @milehighfool I call that pitch-slapping. ; ) Hmm, could be a new twitterism. (pitch-slapped) #editorchat
[21:20:38] judywriter @kimbui Is that your hand up to volunteer I see? #webproducerchat #journchat #editorchat
[21:20:39] connectingwomen @janeco You should always cross checks sources definitely. I wouldn’t dismiss Twitter completely. #editorchat
[21:20:46] connectingwomen @judywriter yup! #editorchat
[21:20:47] milehighfool @Willowbottom Welcome, Willow. Or is it Ms. Bottom? #editorchat
[21:20:57] a2editor @Willowbottom Welcome back! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:20:57] MariaKorolov @judywriter but i’ve been on the other side, too, assigning a story once to a writer (through stupidity) that got him killed #editorchat
[21:21:07] stephauteri @melissablake: For example. if you were to join up with #editorchat tonight, all you’d have to do is go to tweetchat, type in #editorchat…
[21:21:10] LydiaBreakfast @JudySL there is a new search function #editorchat
[21:21:12] janeco @connectingwomen either would I, agree. #editorchat
[21:21:18] judywriter @MariaKorolov Lucky you caught it before you had to pull a S. Rushdie. #editorchat
[21:21:27] milehighfool @connectingwomen I wouldn’t either. Twitter is an idea factory for me. #editorchat
[21:21:47] MariaKorolov @judywriter these days, i have to be very careful about what I assign — especially in sensitive areas (like now, in china) #editorchat
[21:21:52] connectingwomen @milehighfool I like that: Twitter is an idea factory for me. #editorchat
[21:21:56] Single_Shot @sooutdoors I’m actually teaching a class “How to pitch-slap your editor” in a few months @ Seattle’s Hugo House. #editorchat
[21:22:05] a2editor @Single_Shot Pitch-slapped. Haha! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:22:06] MariaKorolov @judywriter no, I didn’t catch the “Islamic fundamentalist” error before it ran. it was pretty bad. #editorchat
[21:22:17] janeco Has anyone addressed kill fees yet? Have an editor refusing to honor it #editorchat
[21:22:24] MariaKorolov @judywriter fortunately, I was able to blame the editors! #editorchat
[21:22:30] JudySL Do you think twitter is an urban phenom? As opposed to suburban? #editorchat
[21:22:38] judywriter @MariaKorolov OMG! Seriously?How frightening! How sad! #editorchat
[21:22:50] milehighfool @Single_Shot How about making that available to us editorchatters? #editorchat
[21:23:03] judywriter @MariaKorolov Hopefullly both were a long time ago. #editorchat
[21:23:07] BeckyDMBR @MariaKorolov Yikes. What was the story? #editorchat
[21:23:11] connectingwomen If anyone is interested in what is the proper Islamic and Arabic terms to use in the media, DM or @reply, & I will send u a list #editorchat
[21:23:20] MariaKorolov @judywriter the guy was in Chechnya. it was about 15 years ago. #editorchat
[21:23:20] jennipps @JudySL I don’t know…You could actually say where I live is rural. lol. #editorchat
[21:23:24] Single_Shot @janeco My editors have all honored kill fees. One even paid me full price 4 a story that didn’t run. Love. Her. #editorchat
[21:23:31] JudySL @janeco depending on our contract, we always paid kill fees – if the work was handed in and killed… #editorchat
[21:23:34] Willowbottom @JudySL Not at all – most of the people I know using it are suburbanites. Even some rural users. #editorchat
[21:23:36] LPinMissouri @MariaKorolov another example of best practices? πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:23:59] Single_Shot @milehighfool The class? It’s live and in person. #editorchat
[21:24:21] janeco @Single_Shot What’s her name????? j/k #editorchat
[21:24:24] milehighfool @Willowbottom I’m here to help. Any good last minute stories of resolving an impasse with an editor? #editorchat
[21:24:32] 20orsomething @JudySL Absolutely not, and maybe that’s the benefit of Twitter: reaches every corner. #editorchat
[21:24:37] MariaKorolov @BeckyDMBR the “Islamic fundamentalist” story? Separatists in Abkhazia. Who were actually Christian. (at least, the ones I met) #editorchat
[21:24:51] Single_Shot @janeco She’s no longer at the publication. Sorry! #editorchat
[21:25:04] a2editor @MariaKorolov Oy. #editorchat
[21:25:11] janeco @JudySL This was for an online story; doesn’t come from a publishing/journo background and never heard of such a thing…sigh #editorchat
[21:25:26] milehighfool K, folks. We’re down to 5 minutes so if you want to make a plea and include a link, do it now. Closing for biz at 9:30. #editorchat
[21:25:40] shirleybrady Missing #editorchat & #stuffIneedtodo as helping hubby pack for a trip to see his folks in Australia. Fussier than Tim Gunn, I tell ya.
[21:25:42] Willowbottom @milehighfool I find it’s all in how you pitch ’em (the editors). Key for me has been communicating relevance of content. #editorchat
[21:26:04] travelinggal of course I would come in at the end! #editorchat
[21:26:19] janeco @JudySL the story was killed midway, sent in notes, etc., just wanted half of the fee, still negotiating #editorchat
[21:26:19] a2editor Laura Cowan, freelance editor/writer working in book publishing, online media. Blogging at http://a2editor.wordpress.com. #editorchat
[21:26:25] jennipps I’m now a regular contributor @ TutorialBlog.org. Comments welcome on articles: http://tinyurl.com/c55jf4 #editorchat
[21:26:32] MariaKorolov this was great guys, I enjoyed chatting. anyone wants to know anything about China, DM me or email. #editorchat
[21:26:32] LydiaBreakfast @shirleybrady sorry to miss you, please join next week πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:26:40] Willowbottom @milehighfool Sounds like bankers’ hours to me. #editorchat
[21:26:51] LydiaBreakfast @travelinggal all the info is on editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat
[21:27:08] milehighfool @shirleybrady Sorry we missed you this time. Safe travels to your husband! #editorchat
[21:27:09] judywriter @milehighfool Thanks for running another fabo session! #editorchat
[21:27:13] augustjordan thanks for a really great first #editorchat! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:27:21] janeco @MariaKorolov China? Going to Beijing early May #editorchat
[21:27:23] travelinggal Apryl Chapman Thomas, freelance writer/blogger, http://www.actwriter.com (site), http://www.southernbyways.com (blog) #editorchat
[21:27:31] Willowbottom @travelinggal Thanks for coming in late – it made me not be the last one! #editorchat
[21:27:32] janeco Over already? #editorchat
[21:27:32] connectingwomen Faten Abdallah, freelance blogger, writer and co-host at http://www.blogtalkradio.com/connectingwomen; DM for more info. #editorchat
[21:27:35] milehighfool @Willowbottom Who says you need to be a banker to work bankers hours? #editorchat
[21:27:44] MariaKorolov for more about my old war stories, check here: http://tinyurl.com/barqf3 (if you care — it’s old news!) #editorchat
[21:27:59] milehighfool @judywriter Our pleasure. Thanks for participating, Judy. #editorchat
[21:28:05] littlebrownpen No pitch, but I’m teaching my 4yo son how to write. That’s pretty cool, right? http://littlebrownpen.blogspot.com/ #editorchat
[21:28:07] travelinggal well, I had to get two little off to bed or at least they are pretending to be laying down. #editorchat
[21:28:10] angie1234p This was great. Thank you! #editorchat
[21:28:12] GinaLaGuardia This has been a great exchange! Would love your feedback on my blog: “Confessions of a Content Pimp” http://tinyurl.com/6752tq #editorchat
[21:28:16] Single_Shot Thanx 4 another great editorchat! Diane Mapes, freelance journalist/humor columnist/pitchslapping success. howtodatebook.com #editorchat
[21:28:24] JDEbberly For the latest info on blogging, soc med and new media: http://twitter.com/JDEbberly Avail 24/7! #editorchat
[21:28:26] LPinMissouri @littlebrownpen #editorchat
[21:28:37] jennipps @milehighfool @lydiabreakfast, thank you for hosting a great chat. #editorchat
[21:28:38] simplyfabulous Thanks for this great first editorchat! I’m Amanda Fornecker, a freelance writer: http://amanda-vera.blogspot.com #editorchat
[21:28:39] Willowbottom @littlebrownpen Good for you! Would welcome any tips you have. I have a 4yo and we’re doing the same. #editorchat
[21:28:43] LPinMissouri @littlebrownpen yes, the best! #editorchat
[21:28:49] travelinggal It was great at the end. Hopefully next time will jump in sooner. #editorchat
[21:29:05] angie1234p I’m Angie Haggstrom, Freelance writer, online writing coach http://www.professionalwebcontent.com/ #editorchat
[21:29:19] LydiaBreakfast @travelinggal please do, we’ll be here #editorchat
[21:29:19] kikarose I jumped in at the end. Feel like a stalker, I followed many of you without saying hi. So, uhm, HI! #editorchat
[21:29:21] JDEbberly I am truly grateful for this group! I learn so much here! #editorchat
[21:29:26] GinaLaGuardia @littlebrownpen I’m so glad my 5yo is learning to read — I need some live-in copyediting help. LOL! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:29:34] LydiaBreakfast @angie1234p thanks for joining us Angie #editorchat
[21:29:41] milehighfool Tim Beyers, Motley Fool contributor. Find me at fool.com. Also check editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat
[21:29:47] MSchechter @GinaLaGuardia umm hello child labor laws!!! #editorchat
[21:29:51] jennipps @JDEbberly Ditto and me too! #editorchat
[21:29:54] LydiaBreakfast @JDEbberly We heart you JD our unofficial greeter and gladhander πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[21:29:54] JDEbberly @travelinggal Looking forward to seeing you next week! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:29:55] Willowbottom @littlebrownpen Do you ever find when reading back your son’s compositions that it has the beautiful simplicity of poetry? #editorchat
[21:29:58] a2editor Hi @kikarose. See you next week? #editorchat
[21:30:09] milehighfool @jennipps Our pleasure, Jenn. Thanks for joining. #editorchat
[21:30:10] BeckyDMBR Thanks for the chat! #editorchat
[21:30:20] littlebrownpen @GinaLaGuardia That’s hysterical. Considering they are brutally honest, you know you’ll be in good hands. #editorchat
[21:30:21] Single_Shot @kikarose I just did the same thing to you! And many others. This is a great place to connect w/other writers, editors. #editorchat
[21:30:34] Willowbottom @milehighfool @lydiabreakfast another great one as always! #editorchat
[21:30:35] milehighfool @JDEbberly And thanks to you, J.D., for helping like you do. #editorchat
[21:30:36] kikarose I’m Jessica Rosenberg, Freelance writer/mommy blogger! See my story at http://www.itsjessicaslife.com. #editorchat
[21:30:43] IrisJumbe Iris Jumbe, Shanghai-based freelance copywriter and editor #editorchat
[21:30:50] kikarose @Single_Shot This is awesome! I’m going to check out the recap on the blog. Great meeting you! #editorchat
[21:30:52] BeckyDMBR @kikarose Hi! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:30:58] LydiaBreakfast Thanks for coming everyone Lydia Dishman co-founder of #editorchat and freelance features writer for magazines, web, etc #editorchat
[21:30:59] littlebrownpen @Willowbottom Very much. It’s wonderful. We have about ten stories so far, and I treat them like prized possessions. So raw. #editorchat
[21:31:02] GinaLaGuardia @littlebrownpen LOL πŸ™‚ Have a good night. Enjoy your lil’ one, too! #editorchat
[21:31:04] sooutdoors This has been a great chat. Kudos to moderator. Drop by and visit Southern Ontario Outdoors http://www.sooutdoors.ca Good night! #editorchat
[21:31:20] Teddy_Salad RT @milehighfool: Tim Beyers, Motley Fool contributor. Find me at fool.com. Also check editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat
[21:31:27] aeropolowoman Joining late, #editorchat
[21:31:28] GinaLaGuardia @MSchechter Are you kidding? That kid can use the computer better than I can. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[21:31:30] 20orsomething Great listening in and adding what I could; looking forward to learning more and connecting again. #editorchat
[21:31:51] MariaKorolov good night everyone! #editorchat
[21:31:57] augustjordan @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for interesting session! πŸ™‚ Hope to see you all next week #editorchat
[21:32:06] AdinaGenn I’m searching for #editorchat live on TweetGrid Search – http://tinyurl.com/dcz377
[21:32:15] AdinaGenn This was great! #editorchat
[21:32:17] milehighfool We’re outta here, folks. Till next week — be sure to check in at the blog throughout the week. Bye now. #editorchat
[21:32:31] LydiaBreakfast Good night everyone – be sure to look for the transcript on editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat
[21:32:35] jennipps See everyone next week! #editorchat
[21:32:41] littlebrownpen Night all. 3:30am here. You could say I miss my US colleagues huh? Thanks for a great session! #editorchat
[21:32:54] aeropolowoman Are you locking up already? #editorchat
[21:33:31] mollyblock I am not watching #AmericanIdol or participating in #editorchat but am happily glancing at their hashtagged tweets scrolling down my screen.
[21:33:49] JDEbberly This session can be read over at http://twemes.com/editorchat #editorchat
[21:35:16] JDEbberly Great job, @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast !! Have a spectacular evening! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:35:29] aeropolowoman @milehighfool #editorchat Banging on the door, what are the hours of operation?
[21:35:51] JDEbberly @travelinggal I’ll be looking for ya, Traveling Gal! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:36:35] JDEbberly @aeropolowoman Hrs of operation are 7pm to 830p-m CST on Wednesday nights! #editorchat
[21:36:36] MSchechter @GinaLaGuardia I keep forgetting that my kid will be running circles around me shortly πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:37:22] janeco @SoOutdoors hey, just saw ur reply re kill fees; issue came up after wrking with this publ for 10 yrs! Never had a prob before #editorchat
[21:37:58] aeropolowoman @JDEbberly Thanks JD #editorchat
[21:38:45] angie1234p @LadyHoldem @JenniferNobile @a2editor great to meet you all at #editorchat. Look forward to hearing more from you!
[21:38:56] Willowbottom I feel like the lights were just shut off at my favorite store before I really had time to shop, now that #editorchat is already closed.
[21:39:50] LydiaBreakfast @aeropolowoman go to editorchat.wordpress.com for complete details/time/transcript all you need to know #editorchat
[21:40:52] kikarose @a2editor I’ll be at #editorchat next week! See you there!
[21:42:37] kikarose Do feel a little silly going to #editorchat with my silly face on, but I’m owning it!
[21:43:23] ellenfweber @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat The discussion might start with a fresh invitation for each to speak and feel heard – and then joint solution
[21:45:20] bizcoachdeb thanks for a great discussion – see you all next week! #editorchat

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February 26, 2009 at 3:50 pm

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What’s Up for Discussion on #editorchat on 2/25

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In order to work more efficiently together, editors and writers need to be on the same page (pardon the pun) at the beginning of an assignment.Β  But sometimes even with clear direction, things can go awry.Β  We want to talk about how to deal with the issues that arise when editors change their minds, or are pressured to form-fit a completed story into another medium (such as from print to web), or even to make a book more of-the-moment and saleable.
So here’s what we’ve been pondering since the last #editorchat:

What do you do when a story won’t die? By this we mean, when the writer and editor can’t agree on a finished product. Either something expected is missing in the turned-in piece, or, the story’s direction has changed.

Common wisdom among writers says it’s career suicide to confront an editor when a story or book project won’t die. Is it really?

Shouldn’t an editor be accountable when they change the direction of an assignment after completion?

What is the best way toΒ initiate a discussion when anΒ editor and writer don’t see eye-to-eye?

What does a book author do when an agent or editor says their MS is good but needs a new direction in order to be saleable.

As always we welcome other questions and suggestions, just drop them into the comment box below.

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February 25, 2009 at 1:19 pm

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Β #editorchat rules

No 1. Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors

No. 2. Stay on topic

No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.)

No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.)

Tip: TweetDeck has a filter feature at the bottom of each column. Select #editorchat as the text to exclude, unless you want in on the chat.

LydiaBreakfast And we’re live tweeps, let’s introduce ourselves.

milehighfool Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor and co-founder of this fine forum πŸ™‚

LydiaBreakfast Lydia Dishman, freelance features writer and editor.

a2editor Hi, editorchat. Laura Cowan, editor/writer blogging at a2editor.wordpress.com.

IrisJumbe Hi, Iris Jumbe, Freelance Writer and Content Editor

kathleenotmm hi i’m kathleen a reporter/freelance writer

Colleenwritepr Colleen, I’m a freelance writer and I also do PR

writepudding Hi! I’m Liana, a content editor for an online media company. I’m also a freelance writer and journalist based in L.A

a2editor @LydiaBreakfast, @milehighfool. Hi. Not sure how long I can stay, but interested in fair pay topic

JMegonigal (let’s try this again!) Jordana Megonigal, editor for Upstate S.C. publishing house/business magazine

karasw Kara Williams, Colorado-based travel writer & blogger. Co-founder Travelingmamas.com. See http://www.karaswilliams.com.

littlebrownpen Nichole Robertson, Copy Director for German skin care brand, and freelance copywriter for a handful of brands/magazines

LydiaBreakfast First Q With free content available everywhere, aren’t we under more pressure than ever to establish a fair wage for writers?

JDEbberly J. D. Ebberly, North VA-based freelance features writer on blogging & new media

a2editor Yes, and how to do that? I was offered what came to $2/hr this wk from high-profile new media site. !!

milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast It sure seems like it. I know @TheMotleyFool we have an abundance of content from CAPS, a free community.

taoswriter Hi, Tania Casselle, freelance, business, travel, arts, design, etc. based in NM but mainly writing for US and UK.

Single_Shot Hi folks — Diane Mapes, freelance writer (national news sites), humor columnist for the Seattle P-I. Great topics tonight!

kenwheaton #editorchat Ken Wheaton, a.m.e., Advertising Age

JMegonigal That, and value should be determined – what is “free” work and what is paid for? As an editor, have to look at that bottom line

milehighfool @a2editor What was your response? Did you try to negotiate a better deal?

KakieF Kakie Fitzsimmons writer, blogger and children’s book author http://farmershatproductions.com

IrisJumbe @LydiaBreakfast Agreed abt fair wage but us editors and writers have to bring more to tbl to separate us from the hobbyists

a2editor @milehighfool There was apparently no negotiating this. I had to turn it down.

kenwheaton @LydiaBreakfast Between reg. staff and all the free content in our unique space, we don’t deal with many freelancers

writepudding @IrisJumbe I agree

JMegonigal @IrisJumbe @LydiaBreakfast Completely agree. What separates free work from paid? What is the value equation?

milehighfool @JMegonigal Curious: How do print editors determine value? Can you measure my contribution? Would make negotiating easier.

milehighfool @JMegonigal Curious: How do print editors determine value? Can you measure my contribution? Would make negotiating easier.

taoswriter Anyone who’s going to pay a ‘fair wage’ knows what that is, ballpark. The rest probably won’t anyway, Can’t really regulate it

milehighfool Reminder: Introduce us to you when you join. Who you are, where you work.

jkwill10 hello all conversating at #editorchat I’m a news guy getting into philanthropy-based journalism

JMegonigal @milehighfool I think it depends on a lot of things – length, time input, what’s needed, etc. We pay print but not web.

littlebrownpen There’s a fair amount of deflation taking place with rates. Recent grads and aspiring wages will help drive prices down further.

kenwheaton #editorchat We do pay freelancers, but tend not to negotiate

milehighfool @taoswriter Don’t you think that’s changing? There are some many Web tools now. You can price a Web story more easily, I think.

LydiaBreakfast Regulating is a tricky word, we don’t mean unionizing wages, but writers should be paid fairly

JMegonigal @milehighfool But for quality, ASSUME we have 2 pay, whatever it is.Otherwise, no leverage 2 dictate- it’s either print or dont.

jkwill10 #editorchat From print perspective, value is determined from budgets. You divide X by freelancers for the month some bumps for topic/quality

KakieF @kenwheaton What helps you determine how much you will pay a freelancer?

JMegonigal @LydiaBreakfast So what is fair? Is it regional? I know in S.C. freelance wages (avg) are low – we try to pay on the high end

kenwheaton #editorchat ‘fair’ might be hard to judge with so many newly unemployed flooding market and editors getting their budgets axed

milehighfool @JMegonigal and other editors: Are you getting pitches for free content? Feels like a tougher pitch now — you have more choice.

a2editor How about throwing out both what used to be fair and what is now avg. Probably telling.

LydiaBreakfast I’m mostly referring to offers of $3 per 500-750 word post for an online site

milehighfool @jkwill10 So all budget-driven. That true for all the print eds.? Ken? Jordana?

JMegonigal @milehighfool No pitches for free yet…still pitching for paid, but we work with a small, select pool of best local talent

travelinggal Hi, I’m Apryl Chapman Thomas, freelance writer and blogger located outside of Atlanta, Ga

littlebrownpen @LydiaBreakfast Those rates are laughable, and I advise all new writers who ask me for advice to avoid those rates.

taoswriter @LydiaBreakfast Absolutely;-) I think it’s my job to find ones that pay fairly and bypass the rest. The $10 articles=diff market

IrisJumbe @milehighfool joined Soc 4 Editors earlier this yr.Undergo training. it reassures clients they’re hiring a professional

kenwheaton @KakieF We pay ’em all the same on a per word basis based on number of words assigned by editor.

JMegonigal @LydiaBreakfast THAT’s just offensive.If it’s free, it’s free. But $3 is a slap in the face (I think!)That from my “writer”past.

writepudding W/ online media, a lot of it depends on SEO value of articles to draw hits + readers. If something is high SEO it could pay more

IrisJumbe @jkwill10 Hi, is “philanthropy-based journalism” writing for non-profs?

a2editor @JMegonigal, agreed. If I’m doing you a favor that’s one thing, but 3rdworld wages are insulting.

milehighfool @littlebrownpen Therein lies the problem. If those rates are laughable, what isn’t? Less than $1 a word?
jkwill10 We have a stable of local stringers that I know and trust (to an extent). So everyone gets paid (just not much)

littlebrownpen @milehighfool I think the rates have to be in line with potential revenue generation

jlcommunication Hello all. Sorry I’m late. I’m a freelance writer. Business writing pays the bills but I freelance newspaper/magazines smtimes

Single_Shot @milehighfool I wouldn’t toss 50 cents a word out of bed for eating crackers. But I’d prefer to snuggle up to $2 a word

milehighfool The net effect is freelancers have to take on more clients, right? Editors: Does this affect how you think of freelance talent?

littlebrownpen … and if after calculating that rate it is .3 a word, perhaps the article is not worth writing

IrisJumbe @milehighfool I think $1 is ideal but tough to get now. I’m freelance & ppl less wiling to outsource now. must be cost-efficient

JMegonigal We have a pool of 5-6 and each gets a feature/issue. Pay on high end of the local market. And pay per article, no word count.

milehighfool In other words: Do you care if a freelancer is writing for 3 or more clients besides you?

taoswriter @milehighfool Why do you think you can price a web story more easily? Just don’t understand quite what you mean?

littlebrownpen @milehighfool Most do. I retain clients as a marketing copywriter (which pays incredibly well), so I can take on other projects.

jlcommunication @taoswriter I think web copy is cheap because so many sites such as elance, craigs list is driving rates down.

JMegonigal @milehighfool Heck no. Unless I can afford to bring them on staff, I dont feel I have the right to dictate their source f living

milehighfool @taoswriter Google Analytics offers a lot of data about traffic, actions. If you can value that, you can price more easily.

littlebrownpen @jlcommunication Agree. And nubile writers eager for bylines.

milehighfool @jlcommunication Agreed. But do editors take these sites seriously? Would you buy an article from elance?

Single_Shot @littlebrownpen This seems a smart mix. Am trying to work up to this w/my freelance stuff. Let copywriting support journo habit.

littlebrownpen @taoswriter stats don’t lie. Google analytics tell you exactly how much traffic an article generated.

jlcommunication @littlebrownpen Or writers who don’t value their own skills (?)

IrisJumbe @milehighfool I’d be happy to hire a busy freelancer. speaks to their experience

kenwheaton @milehighfool As a writer and editor, I’d be nervous about tying my pay to page views, though my inner capitalist likes idea

littlebrownpen @jlcommunication exactly.

JMegonigal @milehighfool No.Need to TRUST my biggest writers. Elance is for small marketing gigs – brochures, websites. Not real journalism

jlcommunication It’s not the editors buying. It’s marketing/quick rich types bragging about outsourcing for cheap

milehighfool @kenwheaton Fair point. Some sites are doing this. Examiner.com, for one. Still, I think there’s intrinsic value to good writing

LydiaBreakfast @IrisJumbe Writers and reporters are their own brands; the good ones and the bad ones.

littlebrownpen @kenwheaton It’s not a bad model, but it gets a lot of bad blood due to start ups and craigslist scams promising revenue

milehighfool @JMegonigal (Slap!) That, my friend, is a digital high-five.

jlcommunication So many are looking to fill web content through blogs, internet pages, whatever. And there are people out there who will do it.

milehighfool RT @littlebrownpen @kenwheaton It’s not a bad model, but it gets a lot of bad blood due to start ups and craigslist scams

JMegonigal Again, it boils down to the value equation. Am I paying to fill space, or am I paying for quality, wellresearched articles?

Colleenwritepr I agree branding and your own voice extremely important with all the web based options and competition

kenwheaton @milehighfool Not totally analogous but Gawker WAS tying pay to page views, comments etc. But even they cut back on pay

taoswriter @JMegonigal You see, that’s nice, and worth money – regular reliable work and the writer saves time not having to pitch around

JMegonigal @milehighfool ?? for??

littlebrownpen @LydiaBreakfast It’s a great point. If you are your own brand, and have followers, readers, etc. you can drive your own traffic.

ScottHepburn @milehighfool Your tweet about #editorchat caught me eye. A regular thing? May have to tune in next time…

kenwheaton #editorchat Also helps sucking up to editors on Twitter! πŸ™‚

milehighfool @JMegonigal Demanding quality content rather than any old elance scrap.

Colleenwritepr Yes, that always helps

delwilliams @littlebrownpen You may be correct on some but if no one knows the site exist then it is dependent on the writer to market it

milehighfool @ScottHepburn Yes, Scott. Anyone who is, or writes for, a professional editor, is welcome here on Wednesdays.

taoswriter @milehighfool Ah, now see where you were coming from. So saying that pay will be linked directly to stats?

LydiaBreakfast If editors are feeling the need to fill more pages for their publication, does that necessitate searching for free content?

milehighfool @taoswriter Part of it, sure. What about base pay for the quality a pro brings with a kicker for traffic, actions?

BobSchaller hello all. Bob Schaller. New media writer, former journalist, book author.

taoswriter @littlebrownpen Yes, understand that. Just didn’t know where MHF was coming from. I mainly write for print, some web adjunct

littlebrownpen @LydiaBreakfast I’d rather fill that space with a pretty picture

IrisJumbe @LydiaBreakfast is free content ever really original content?

jlcommunication @milehighfool But quality doesn’t always mean traffic and vice versa. Traffic is entirely different game

judywriter @BobSchaller Hi, sorry I’m late. I’m a freelance writer for print & web & author (1st book) for a major trade publisher.

jkwill10 @LydiaBreakfast no problem filling our pub. The paper keeps shrinking and newshole budgets are tight

delwilliams @milehighfool Too many online editors are looking for WAHM to just type out a bunch of stuff for cheap.The winner is the editor

kenwheaton @KakieF Jokingly I’d say bribery, but even a casual Twitter relationship separates a writer from just a random freelancer.

JMegonigal @LydiaBreakfast Sometimes. Esp at last minute. If ad sales are slack (and they are!) it’s typical to need last-day content

jlcommunication Although I have a couple of blogs and they only make money if they get traffic

milehighfool @jlcommunication That’s true. SEO plays a big role. But, as a Web writer, I’d like to think I can deliver both πŸ™‚

JMegonigal @LydiaBreakfast At that point, free is easy and fast –can’t get a writer to do something in 12 hrs or less!

milehighfool @JMegonigal Interesting. Is that when a freelance relationship helps?

kenwheaton @KakieF Piece written by young woman in ad industry makes good points about social media relationships http://tinyurl.com/bltv8k

taoswriter @milehighfool That would be interesting. I wouldn’t mind bonuses for work that ends up online;-) but no work on commission only

delwilliams @IrisJumbe Yes, I think that too many were sold they had to do free content to get a byline and get a foot in the door.

JMegonigal @milehighfool That’s when syndicated, free content helps.

kenwheaton @LydiaBreakfast Filling more pages? Eight years ago we had 100-page books. Now, we have 28-page books!

littlebrownpen If a writer has a great relationship with editors and creative directors, they’ll deliver in a pinch. Been on both ends.

milehighfool @JMegonigal Fair point. Related: Does it ever make sense for a freelancer to create canned content to have for those times?

KakieF @kenwheaton Thanks for that. I look forward to reading it since as we speak I am seeking gainful employment in a MarComm role

milehighfool @kenwheaton Wow. But @LydiaBreakfast captures the point. How are you filling Web space?

JMegonigal @milehighfool Absolutely! If my freelancers have canned content relative to my mag that is ready and UNUSED? Score.

IrisJumbe @delwilliams I see ur point but I’ve seen many articles which tread a fine line btwn orginal & plagiarised.Cut, paste, synonyms

littlebrownpen @JMegonigal depending on your content needs, you can always turn to bloggers as well

jlcommunication @milehighfool I like that idea – canned content ready to go. Needs serious relationship with pub though.

judywriter Canned content meaning written ahead of time, not necessarily immediately timely?

milehighfool RT @JMegonigal @milehighfool WAY better than syndicated. I’ll even pay something for it. (Clicks favorite button.)

littlebrownpen @JMegonigal the good ones know their niches, have followers, etc. It’s a win-win.

kenwheaton @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast I see. But staff reporters do that as well. And me! And unpaid bloggers

a2editor @judywriter That’s a good point. Depending on pub, canned content might not help if timely content needed.

jlcommunication @kenwheaton That of course was the suck up

ATLCheap RT @littlebrownpen if a writer has a great relationship with editors and creative directors, they’ll deliver in a pinch.

JMegonigal @judywriter Exactly.

milehighfool @judywriter Right. Not timely but tailored. Something my ed. could run quickly and confidently.

JMegonigal @jlcommunication Serious relationship needed. High level of trust on both sides, I would think. But instant score if done right.

judywriter @JMegonigal Has to be unused! I had a columnist who fed the same basic column to us & a web site. I rejected it & he rewrote.

kenwheaton @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast But we cover an industry in which a lot of people love to blog for free. Communities and all

JDEbberly RT @littlebrownpen if a writer has a great relationship with editors and creative directors, they’ll deliver in a pinch.

IrisJumbe Canned content = big yes! For your portfolio. And you can always tweak to make it current when you need to publish it.

judywriter The pubs I’ve worked for rarely used canned stuff. Mainly because not that many writers work ahead! Always behind, OR clueless!

jlcommunication @JMegonigal But how much writing just sits and waits meaning waiting to be paid

jkwill10 Bye all. Gotta leave #editorchat early 2nite. I’m still hyping the new gig (philanthropy-based local newspaper) http://bit.ly/18nL0R

milehighfool Back to the tension at hand. More free content means more choice for eds. means greater need to differentiate as writers. Yes?

KakieF #editorchat so have editors ever have bloggers who submitted their own content that was published on their blog in the past?

littlebrownpen @kenwheaton A lot of bloggers have visions of sponsorship dancing in their heads. This is motivating enough to work for free.

judywriter @jlcommunication I think editors still have a challenge finding good writers, reliable, accurate, ethical. Those prevail.

BobSchaller I admire the passion for writing. But writing/working for free? Brutal. I can’t afford to blog. If that changes, I’d try it

Colleenwritepr @milehighfool more choices means we have to constantly keep looking for the newest angle for our stories to be in demand

jlcommunication I run a sports blog and I am constantly contacted for free content. Usually w/promise of fame and fortune

milehighfool @littlebrownpen Not sure I buy it. If you’re going for sponsorship, why not write for a blog network? Or a news daily

KakieF Clarify: #editorchat so have editors ever have bloggers who submitted their own content that was published on their own blog in the past?

Single_Shot @milehighfool Am curious how writing/selling “canned copy” can help differentiate someone as a good writer. Am I being elitist?

littlebrownpen @jlcommunication Yep. It’s that fame and fortune thing again, huh?

littlebrownpen @milehighfool Honestly, I don’t think they know how.

judywriter But getting in the door, no matter how good you are, is the challenge. Once you’re in, you’re golden.

kenwheaton @littlebrownpen Most of ours are making better-than-journalism pay in ad agencies/digital agencies

a2editor Gotta head out early tonight. Nice to see/meet everyone. Same time next wk?

littlebrownpen @milehighfool Ad agency pay is mad money. Trust me. πŸ˜‰

milehighfool @Single_Shot No. And I don’t think it can. Unique copy sells but if you’ve got the copy and want to help an editor? Maybe.

kenwheaton @KakieF We’re not crazy about repurposed blogs, though since we don’t pay them

taoswriter @milehighfool Yes, reliably researched, well-reported, lively writing, voice and style to fit a specific mag’s readership.

alyiceedrich Jumping in here. I’ve been known to use free content to fill space if it came from an “expert” but rarely from directories.

writepudding @judywriter This is true – that’s always the hard part

kenwheaton @kakief @littlebrownpen Though it’d be different for general market bloggers/pubs, I’d bet

judywriter @kenwheaton Yes, I got one of your 28-pg books today, and last week. Discouraging, isn’t it

KakieF @kenwheaton #editorchat Can you expand on that just a bit. I know it is a challenge in 140 characters or lest, but lets hear it

Single_Shot @milehighfool I’ve definitely delivered in a pinch. But never pulled some old musty unsold thing out of a trunk

milehighfool @alyiceedrich Makes sense. Are you also working with freelancers?

BobSchaller I wrote a story on deadline Friday night about Buff plane crash to localize. But I’m with you, Singleshot, never dusted one

milehighfool @taoswriter This really is the formula and can’t be matched by free content. Can it?

KakieF @kenwheaton #editorchat let’s say someone has a great parenting lifestyle type article that was posted a year ago, does that mean forget it

judywriter I would not agree to free content, either as a writer or an editor. You get what you pay for (usually).

littlebrownpen @kenwheaton agree. It’s incredibly hard to break in. There has to be a better way to connect writers and editors.

JMegonigal @jlcommunication That’s up to writer. It’s theirs until it’s bought and paid for – they determine how much “arsenal” to keep.

BobSchaller Good for you Judy. Well said.

KakieF @kenwheaton #editorchat Or rework it a little so it isn’t exactly the same but gets the same message across

kenwheaton @KakieF I think a lot of gen market writers looking to sell writing, buy food. Ad market writers happy for publicity for company

jlcommunication I have contributed free articles to very large blogs (copyblogger) in exchange for linkback to my copywriting/marketing blog
JDEbberly @littlebrownpen We can better connect writer & editors by blogging and thru Twitter.

JMegonigal @Single_Shot Not differentiate. Build relationship when editor is in a bad, sales-induced pinch.

LydiaBreakfast Do editors see a difference between the content they get from a professional writer than that from a blogger, or another source

judywriter @littlebrownpen It’s still who you know or who sends you. Even on here, the connections really help, even brand new ones!!

milehighfool @judywriter Agreed. Free content is filler, almost never serves the read

mteditor Starting an economy advice piece on Biz page using free content from various sources (SBA, Chamber etc.) We’ll see how it goes

littlebrownpen @jlcommunication I’ve done the same. Networking can sometimes trump pay

BeckyDMBR @KakieF Not forget but definitely rework &/or update.

KakieF @jlcommunication #editorchat I have done that as well

JMegonigal @Single_Shot Being the “prepared” to save the day differentiates you. I’ll come back again + again bc I know ur on top of it.

kenwheaton @KakieF #editorchat Exactly. Rework it some. Update it. (Likely cut it to fit!). But if audiences don’t overlap, I see no issues.

BobSchaller I don’t see a ton of research in the blog links I am sent. Most a rant or personal experience. Not much well written.Some r tho

KakieF @BeckyDMBR #editorchat Thank you very much

milehighfool @judywriter Thus Twitter is a critical tool for writers. Do you ever imagine hiring a writer found via Twitter?

writepudding I’ve met many amazing writers/editors via Twitter, wish it was around when I was in school, that would have made my life

littlebrownpen @JMegonigal There are writers who thrive on being able to save the day. It’s thrilling and a challenge

BobSchaller I mean, I’ll have a few exploratory interviews for a feature down the line, but that’s not a canned or something to be repubbed

milehighfool @mteditor Hi Bob. Thanks for dropping in. Tjhis your first free content experiment at the paper

judywriter @LydiaBreakfast I think everybody’s a little confused. The rules/lines for bloggers for editors are still pretty murky.

Single_Shot @JMegonigal Yes, it’s all about relationships w/editors (and sources/experts, etc) so you can answer those emergency calls

BeckyDMBR @KakieF You bet. (Still trying to figure out this chat thing. πŸ™‚

JMegonigal @LydiaBreakfast Absolutely. Build your biggest content with your best writers. Then budget down from there. Never cut the top.

taoswriter I’m sorry, new to this, am I supposed to add #editorchat even if replying within the Tweetchat box? BobSchaller There’s a harsh reality that the numbers don’t support that everyone who wants to be a writer can make a living at it

littlebrownpen @milehighfool Absolutely. It breaks down barriers, and brevity (140 characters) either reveals wit or exposes a lack of it.

mteditor Non-news source advice offers at leat some hope amid the AP gloom. Have to guard against promos, useless fluff

KakieF @kenwheaton #editorchat so you are saying is first, we get our foot in the door, which isn’t always easy (bribery or relationship builds)

KBordessa @taoswriter Nice to see a familiar name! I’m new, too, but I think it auto adds.

JMegonigal @milehighfool I’d hire someone I met on Twitter, if they fit what I need(local, good writer, etc) Twitter just jumpstarts convo

littlebrownpen @BobSchaller I see a difference: Passive voice. Adverb abuse. Exclamation points

jlcommunication Tradeout works because value of lead for a white paper way out trumps cost of time writing blog post

IrisJumbe @milehighfool I’ve gotten two projects in the month or so I’ve been on twitter. It’s become crucial to how I work

kenwheaton @BobSchaller Right. Lot of our blog sections contain opinion, analysis, rants. (But researched stuff too). Readers like it

BeckyDMBR @milehighfool I’ve gotten two jobs through Twitter.

BobSchaller Right Little. And that’s just the beginning. Even if I WANTED to read all the blogs sent me each day, I could get to maybe

Colleenwritepr Twitter has helped my writing and my pr work

writepudding @BeckyDMBR That is so encouraging to here – were you approached?

BobSchaller More power to you, Ken. Research takes time and work, something I get paid for. Rants take less, and many are poorly written

littlebrownpen Blogger: It was deliciously decadent and I had never even considered trying it before! Writer: The sushi was fantastic

milehighfool @mteditor AP gloom? Meaning the news? Or what it costs to keep the wire?

judywriter @Colleenwritepr People who tweet intelligently are followed & there’s already a receptivity.

BeckyDMBR @writepudding I just answered call-out tweets. Helped that I knew someone they knew, tho not crucial.

KBordessa @milehighfool Thanks! You mean beyond meeting deadline with great copy? πŸ˜‰

mteditor @kenwheaton Any legal problems with bloggers vs. unregulated forums. Corporate is nervous about outside bloggers

milehighfool @littlebrownpen Perfect! (Clicks favorite.)

Colleenwritepr @judywriter it’s exciting as a writer to connect and learn from all of you and others

JMegonigal Well tweeps I have to run. Much work to be done within the next 2 hours. Or passing out. Not sure which.

kenwheaton @BobSchaller Right. That’s part of the reason we don’t pay bloggers (or charge for it).

KakieF @writepudding I caught that and laughed at the irony of writing about writing and editing. LOL

BeckyDMBR @littlebrownpen Good point re: brevity & wit. πŸ™‚

milehighfool @judywriter I’d also argue, as @littlebrownpen does, that it makes you a better writer.

BobSchaller “Or charge for it.” Hysterical

writepudding @BeckyDMBR Interesting. I’ll keep this in mind

JMegonigal Scrap that have an idea/question: There are liability issues with outside bloggers/syndicated content. Anyone else face this?

Single_Shot @littlebrownpen Hemingway: The sushi was fine. ; )

kenwheaton @mteditor All our bloggers go through editor. We’re not as wild and crazy as all that. Moderate comments too

judywriter @milehighfool Yes! Definitely makes you a better writer!

milehighfool @mteditor Re: Legal — Fool contributors have to sign strict disclosure and usage policies.

BobSchaller Good for you moderating comments. Papers are starting to understand that. Not everyone is sold on anarchy as interaction model

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writepudding @KakieF LOL. It was quite ironic. I think I was thinking about my dreadful drive home in L.A traffic instead of spelling.

judywriter @Colleenwritepr I “eavestweeted” the other day on a convo between a literary agent & others about inquiries, right & wrongs.

milehighfool @mteditor But I;ve also written for the Fool for 5 yrs and I know of only 1 incident. Seems to work well

jlcommunication With my sports blog, I write to my audience. They want over the top obsessive fan. I sell ads. Makes me professional dsn’t it?

JMegonigal As an editor/publisher, Im responsible for everything that goes in. Worry that blogs/free content don’t watch the lines as much?

taoswriter @milehighfool I don’t know, because I don’t see what’s the norm in ‘free content’. Seems to be a wide range.

mteditor Our story-response forums are out of control — too much time refereeing the bad actors.

judywriter @milehighfool I had to sign all of that disclosure/rights legal stuff but it’s the price of admission for a lot of good pubs.

xybrewer @jmegonigal Actually, yeah, I’m gonna have the same question. My agreement with one editor doesn’t say a word

Colleenwritepr @kenwheaton Ken, great insights, love ad age read it for my PR stuff looking forward to Social Media article

JMegonigal Maybe a question for another #editorchat (re:liability issues in using outside bloggers/writers

BobSchaller Judy, I’ve referred three friends who asked to my agent. They are all former friends. Tough business. Thick-skin required πŸ™‚

jlcommunication @JMegonigal Yes, and bloggers don’t have access/press pass so much is commentary on others reporting

JMegonigal @milehighfool Sell it. Make some money. Then can it and send it to me. πŸ™‚

BobSchaller That being said, the worst thing a writer can do is talk about how their friends and family love it and say it’s publishable.SO?

taoswriter @milehighfool But there are tons of pro writers out there who can report, have track record, etc. so we must still differentiate

BeckyDMBR @jlcommunication Press credentials changing for bloggers. Some

milehighfool @judywriter What?!? Get me the number for Bob’s agent. I can sell it πŸ™‚

BobSchaller AOL’s sports does that JL, just rants ripping off four or five graphs from AP. I cancelled my AOL over it.

JMegonigal @jlcommunication Which makes it an even bigger liability issue – 2nd and 3rdhand info is DANGEROUS. and expensive

judywriter @BobSchaller Oh dear! I have only referred 2 ppl to my agent & neither has followed up. I’m relieved

jlcommunication @JMegonigal Yep. But when I read a blog, I know what I’m reading. When I read WaPo, I expect more

MudslideMama @JMegonigal #editorchat Are you referring to slander? Or the anarchy of comments/forums for readers/users?

ATLCheap @JMegonigal When name=brand, bloggers do watch lines.

BobSchaller I have nine more books under contract. That’ll be 50. That’s more than enough. Then I’ll settle in academia and do univ. press

IrisJumbe @Colleenwritepr Hi Colleen, wht doesn’t seem right? Getting work thru twitter? I’m not sure I follow

milehighfool Back to the topic at hand. Do editors trust pro writers more than bloggers? Should they? or is it 10% about the content?

BobSchaller No money, but nice hardcover editions.And very little pressure. More thinking, less writing for me as I hit the academic pasture

KakieF So if a writer has content, you put it in your publication, do you give the writer permission to use again ? Or not

Single_Shot @JMegonigal I’ve had bloggers pick up my reported stories & riff on them to the point that they’re completely inaccurate. Grr.

Colleenwritepr @IrisJumbe Sorry, hit the wrong return button. Tweeves dropping. I don’t know if it’s tweegal, maybe why not

MudslideMama @milehighfool #editorchat Related: If a blogger “breaks” a story w/vid cam and a post, does it count to MSM?

KBordessa @KakieF That depends on the publication and your contract.

BobSchaller Usually Kakie, u sign off on the paper/mag whatever having rights. That’s for a lot of legal reasons, but for selling it/archive

alyiceedrich @milehighfool Suppose it depends on topic/content track record. Some bloggers act professionally, others don’t

BobSchaller My new contract for a Web gig ($200/story better paying than anything I had in papers) is 15 pages long. Unreal.

JMegonigal @milehighfool Always trust pros more than bloggers. Better grasp of style. More research. Fewer liability issues. Better quality

littlebrownpen @milehighfool Pro writers understand the rules of the game better, but there are some bloggers who can write.

JMegonigal @milehighfool It’s 100% about the content. Or should be

IrisJumbe @Colleenwritepr still a little confused abt why legality would come into it.I’m in Shanghai, projects have been local.

BobSchaller Still a pittance compared to what I get from the mags and stuff, but nice for little work.But yes, they own it all in perpetuity

jlcommunication @milehighfool I think a professional can switch between blog style and print. Prof writer takes that to the blog. Am dsnt

alyiceedrich @milehighfool Yes. I work with freelancers. Small paying online pub though and I do not take “all rights”.

ATLCheap @milehighfool pro writers & bloggers can be one in the same

jlcommunication @Single_Shot Which is wrong. Very wrong

taoswriter @jlcommunication Exactly. Blogs are great for democracy, hearing many voices, but “due diligence” varies.

MudslideMama @milehighfool #editorchat MSM = Mainstream Media.

writepudding @jlcommunication I agree with this – every writer should have a blog in my opinion

milehighfool @jlcommunication Good point. There are plenty of pro writers who do both. @footnoted, for example

Colleenwritepr @IrisJumbe sorry, tired tonight and just joking about another tweet accidentally replied to yours. Sorry for confusion.

taoswriter @ATLCheap Absolutely. I know you’re a pro! Lots of journos have own blogs, don’t they? Interesting, that they seek that outlet’

KakieF @JMegonigal @KBordessa @BobSchaller Thanks for sharing that, I know people do it differently, just wondering in general

xybrewer @jmegonigal so how do writers who are blogging distinguish themselves as professional writers than “your average bear” bloggers?

BobSchaller Haha πŸ™‚ Seriously, I’d have a hard time signing over rights for a freelance gig that paid less. Once it’s online, it’s gone

judywriter @jlcommunication Totally agree w/ you that prof writers take to the blog, amateurs don’t. (But I’m a pro so I’m prejudiced!)

milehighfool @MudslideMama Oh sure. They source bloggers constantly. So there’s no real difference then, or shouldn’t be

Single_Shot @jlcommunication But it happens all the time. It’s maddening, too, when I take great pains in getting the info/inferences right.

Alysan If you’re a freelance writer lots of great info at #editorchat Thanks to @irisjumbe for the heads

MudslideMama @milehighfool #editorchat I think it represents the blurring of the lines, along w/less and less print, more online. Harder to differentiate

KakieF @xybrewer If the content is meaninful and speaks to the audience authentically, isn’t that what is important

AmySueNathan @writepudding I wonder about writers who blog — but who don’t ever mention their book or their writing. Strange to me

bakercom1 @ATLCheap I agree. I’m both a freelance journalist and a blogger. A lot of us are these days!

judywriter @Single_Shot It’s also frustrating when you realize that a lot of ppl don’t recognize well-researched pieces vs not.

BobSchaller I don’t want to blog for the sake of just doing it. A club with 50 million plus to me brings little cache.

littlebrownpen @MudslideMama In my case the lines are blurred, but I make it obvious on my blog. Most of my writer friends also blog

BobSchaller I’m a fan, and reader, of good writing, not just a lot of writing. The blogs I’ve seen not media-supported haven’t impressed

KBordessa @littlebrownpen @milehighfool Some pro writers blog, too, but I think generally the track record of published pros is of value

judywriter @AmySueNathan I’m one of those. My blog is separate from writing, it’s just for me. No agenda, no selling

AmySueNathan @BobSchaller A blog can’t hurt, imo. I am a freelance writer and editor – my editors have always liked it

Single_Shot @BobSchaller I sell all right to some stuff, but the $$/platform (nat’l) have to be worth it. I can always rework it if need be.

KakieF @AmySueNathan Curious to know why that is strange to you?

writepudding @BobSchaller True, but in an age of social media, even as a writer myself, I want to connect with writers I read and admire.

BobSchaller And that’s your case, Amy. More power to you. I couldn’t justify putting time into something, and doing it well, for no pay

Colleenwritepr @BobSchaller I agree I’m not impressed by most blogs so what gives a professional writer a better edge

littlebrownpen @AmySueNathan It’s odd to me too. My editors read my blog and it’s resulted in more jobs. I blog for fun, but it keeps me sharp.

BobSchaller And that’s nice, Writepudding, but I’m not looking for that

denyseduhaime @MudslideMama I went in to see how it was tonight #lost and it is too serid for me –LOL

judywriter I haven’t volunteered to do a prof. blog again (haven’t done 1 for 2 years) until I finish my book

milehighfool @AmySueNathan My editors also like my non-Foolish writing. This forum, for example. I’ll get one of them here someday πŸ™‚

writepudding It’s so disappointing when I find a writer that I really like in print, but they have no online presence

marciamarcia @milehighfool Joining in tonight for the first time. Delighted to see conversation on issues I deal with each day

BobSchaller Maybe their goal, WriteP,is not to connect with hundreds of thousands of readers. Maybe they like writing, and their family,more

KakieF @xybrewer For me, if blogging is a way to engage their audience, audience doesn’t always want to hear how great you

Single_Shot @judywriter Sometimes, the bloggers don’t even LINK to my original story. They summarize, misquote, riff and wreak. Double grr.

courtneyramirez My writing blog is stuck in an odd spot #editorchat I feel like I need to revamp it for a profess. image but have little time to blog 4 self

MudslideMama #writepudding #editorchat That’ll change, just as bloggers indeed now get media passes and recognition of value added to public discussions.

BobSchaller I’d much more respect the blogger who shuts it down or posts occasionally than the one who has to rant every day

jlcommunication @Single_Shot They twist yr facts? ive built pieces arnd others reporting but only 4 basic facts & sourced. Post is commentary

KakieF @xybrewer So I think there needs to be some balance. Interactive is 2 way communication

writepudding @BobSchaller That’s great too – but they can do both can’t they? Not saying they should blog to connect, but to have a presence

judywriter @Single_Shot Bloggers are all over the map. Some outright steal (as you know) & others are ethical, knowledgeable & generous

marciamarcia Every writer I know has these issues

littlebrownpen @Single_Shot Copying is rampant. Blogs and elsewhere on the web. I’ve had copy lifted (from a shop) directly by multiple people.

jlcommunication @Single_Shot Let them know. I’ve written nasty letters to sites stealing my blog content

milehighfool @BobSchaller Or the one who remains topical and consistent. Shotgun blogs (i.e., content splayed nonsensically) are awful.

writepudding And I completely agree with a blog keeping you “sharp.” It really does

BobSchaller I love reporters having blogs. And media personalities. A lot of the other stuff is PR or micro-causal. But again, to each…

taoswriter @writepudding Good name! When you can’t find online content of theirs to read? Or no website, social media presence to connect

Β @AmySueNathan Editorial copy of any kind is about the reader, not the author, IMHO.

KakieF RT @AmySueNathan Many bloggers forget that blogs are about the readers – not the writer.

BobSchaller Most writers, especially the successful ones, have a big online presence but do not blog. Good PR without the interaction commit

bakercom1 @writepudding Journalists often use blogging to build their own brand. With pubs disappearing, personal brand is crucial

milehighfool @BobSchaller They micro-blog. On Twitter

littlebrownpen @AmySueNathan Yep. And you know they aren’t the bloggers crying over a changed headline

littlebrownpen @AmySueNathan Yep. And you know they aren’t the bloggers crying over a changed headline

ebrenner I plan on starting a blog this year: to build my brand as a language expert and to get my name out there

JDEbberly @BobSchaller I REALLY agree w/you that reporters and writers should blog

writepudding @bakercom1 I completely agree – it’s important, at least to me #editorchat -9:25 PM Feb 18th, 2009

AmySueNathan @judywriter Absolutely – and online many forget about the readers imo. If one blogs enough, it’s ok now and then.

marciamarcia After writing books plenty of opportunities to blog, but skills very different. I’m not a fast writer. Tweeting helps hone tho

BobSchaller It’s just funny that since everyone can blog/’publish’ that they think they can tell everyone else how to do it, rules, etc

milehighfool Re: blogs stealing content and other such issues. Editors, do you negotiate rights?

littlebrownpen Also, blogging isn’t about writing as much as about community building. “Write it and they will come” does not apply

ebrenner You really do have to offer something to your readers, but you have to stay interested too. That’s key

milehighfool And, conversely, writers: Do you ask for certain rights before signing

Single_Shot @jlcommunication Yes, they twist & warp & leave out important nuances. They omit facts then take me to task for doing the same.

ebrenner re: blog stealing content. My day job releases the lawyers on splogs & content stealers

sooutdoors I write 7 outdoor blogs related to Southern Ontario outdoor activities as well as several print publications

anti9to5guide Milehighfool, I ask for rights, but good luck getting what we want from our web clients these days. Sadly
AmySueNathan @littlebrownpen It’s the whole tribe-building thing. Websites differ from blogs, purely info. Blogs are conversations

Single_Shot @littlebrownpen I’ve had people pick up my stuff & copy it, 2. That’s not nearly as maddening as having them change the story.

MudslideMama @milehighfool #editorchat Some sites maintain rights (or just online rights) for a certain amount of time, then ownership reverts to writer.

littlebrownpen @milehighfool Some contracts are trickier than others, but usually rights aren’t an issue (at least in my world

marciamarcia @milehighfool Yes, I always ask for certain rights before signing. Varies with publication (and topic) for me

Single_Shot @milehighfool Shutgun blogs — never knew what those things were called! Thanks for the great word

jlcommunication @Single_Shot And therin lies the problem with blogs. You get good and bad. Some are trained writers, other’s are guy w/laptop

judywriter @milehighfool Most writers don’t have much choice. If they want to write for pubs, they sign on the dotted line

ebrenner ClickZ’s policy is rights revert to columnist after a period. I think that’s fair.

jennipps @jlcommunication Sometimes it seems like far too many are of the “guy w/laptop” variety. #editorchat -9:29 PM Feb 18th, 2009

karenshaydunn author, blogger & new freelance writer writing about life & living

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BobSchaller I do Judy. And I sign, sign, sigh. I’d sign it in blood. I love to write for a living πŸ™‚

Single_Shot @anti9to5guide Hey anti! They’re asking about contracts, I think. Your favorite topic

MudslideMama @jlcommunication #editorchat Same argument can be made with some print outlets too. πŸ™‚ The Sun comes to mind

BobSchaller PMGNIC, you should jump in. Some of the best comments tonight were from an ad-writing editor

judywriter @milehighfool As an editor, I’ve never negotiated rights. Our editorial policy is our editorial policy. Sign or not

] AmySueNathan @ebrenner @jlcomminication Me too. Not all bloggers are writers but they don’t know that. It blurs the lines.

BobSchaller It would’ve been funny, but once it was ‘out there’ it couldn’t be brought back in. My editor was like, “Not in manual

ebrenner @jlcommunication: it is mostly. Though we’re always fighting theft. We’re lucky we’re part of a legal publisher. Lawyers aplenty

Single_Shot @judywriter @milehighfool Aren’t all contracts negotiable? Aren’t they just a jumping off point?

jlcommunication @jennipps That’s because everyone thinks they need a blog today. The good ones rise to the top. The majority aren’t very good.

BobSchaller I love reading stuff online. I just think the devaluation of good writing (and reporting) tenets is a dangerous direction

JDEbberly @karenshaydunn I think they should blog becuase I like to enjoy different kinds of writing styles

bakercom1 oops, forgot my intro too: Pam Baker, veteran freelance journalist, author of 6 books, blogger and analyst

BobSchaller And JL, those will fade in time. It takes time to do something like that well. There aren’t enough readers for 50 mil blogs

AmySueNathan @jennipps @jlcommunication I have a writing blog I update throughout the week. I have online clms that run 4x/wk or 1x/mo

anti9to5guide @Single_Shot I would say it’s all negotiable. Get what rights you can, eh?

jennipps Jen, f/l writer in Oklahoma. Latest article is now up at http://tinyurl.com/b66hoc

sooutdoors Blogs can be seen at http://www.sooutdoors.ca I’m also past President of the Outdoor Writers of Canada

BobSchaller @bakercom1 Blogging, and Tweeting, can be great for brand building

judywriter @Single_Shot By and large, I’ve found that few contracts are negotiable. But with some, some things are unenforced

KakieF I also write an award winning childrens book series that educates kids about sports and outdoors using multicultural characters

anti9to5guide I whore blog re freelancing and whore my books @ http://www.anti9to5guide.com & blog about balance (despite having none) at nwjobs.com

JDEbberly I blog and tweet about blogging and New Media. I’ll def. keep U up to date: http://twitter.com/JDEbberly

KakieF The site for the books is http://farmershatproductions.com and the series is called “Bur Bur and Friends

Single_Shot @judywriter I’ve been able to negotiate a lot of contracts. Maybe I’ve just been lucky — or pushy?

karenshaydunn Karen Dunn. blogger, author, new freelance writer. http://karenkaydunn.blogspot.com/.

littlebrownpen I currently live in Paris and ramble daily here: http://littlebrownpen.blogspot.com/

BobSchaller @ebrenner I tell students in ADV, PR, JOUR and EMC majors here that to build their network/brand, social media is a must

jlcommunication @bakercom1 Agreed. Blogging based on ad model not good. For brand awareness and attract readers/clients/etc. Excellent

judywriter @Single_Shot Cool! You should hire yourself out — others could use your services! LOL

ngle_Shot @unearthingasia Just being silly, Unearethling. I sometimes feel like the lone Luddite in a sea of tech-savvy youngins.

alyiceedrich @milehighfool Intro: Editor of http://www.thedabblingmum.com, freelance writer for small biz, blogger and aspiring artist

ebrenner @BobSchaller. It is. We talk about it a lot on ClickZ and have some panels on it at an upcoming NY search conference.
milehighfool @stephauteri Our apologies. The good news: editorchat.wordpress.com is open 24/7

bakercom1 @BobSchaller other writers guest blog frequently; that helps us all with branding w/out killing any one of us.

Single_Shot @judywriter I learned it all from Anti9to5Guide. She’s the one who said, Hey what’s the harm in asking?

KakieF And I am 10 tweets from 1800!! http:/burburandfriendsblog.com #editorchat would be open to feedback

BobSchaller @bakercom1 That’s a reasonable agreement. Probably forces others to bring their A-Writing game, too

MaryWWalters I am freelance writer/editor for 15++ yrs, but deal with business/acad clients only. Other writing too iffy as far as pay.

unearthingasia @Single_Shot: πŸ˜€ did I just made it so obvious that I’ve only just stumbled upon #editorchat ? catching up now.. look forward to nxt week

JDEbberly @travelsavvymom This is where editors and writers get together and have excellent discussions

KakieF This has been a thought provoking conversation. Thanks to everyone for the great dialogue

milehighfool Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, analyst for Motley Fool Rule Breakers: http://twurl.nl/uy3dg3

ebrenner I’m about to turn into a pumpkin myself. G’nite all, and chat with you next week (now that I’ve set a reminder!)

bakercom1 @BobSchaller want to see how team of writers are doing this single blog idea? See NicheKnot http://nicheknot.typepad.com/

jlcommunication No pitch but I have a couple of ideas for stories but don’t know where to pitch. Any advice would be great. Thanks all

writepudding Freelance writer + full-time editor, I write mainly online/concentrating on print this year! http://www.writepudding.com

MaryWWalters Pub. 3 books, former ed/in/chief at pub co. website, several blogs, including writing tips for bloggers http://tr.im/gyc7

gipson @littlebrownpen totally agree on the community building front- engagement with your base is key

alyiceedrich Writers: search Twitter for #editorchat to get in on multi-tweet discussions, weekly, about writing for pay. 1st visit tonight. Interesting

LydiaBreakfast I’ve been in the background but thanks for coming lydia dishman freelance reporter and features writer

writepudding I really enjoyed the exchange of ideas and comments from everyone, it was very insightful

JDEbberly @JenniferNobile You’re in for a real treat next Wed. night!

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February 19, 2009 at 2:57 am

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With free content available everywhere, aren’t we under more pressure than ever toΒ establish a fair wage for writers in general, freelancers in particular?

IfΒ editors are feeling the need to fill more pages for their publication, does that necessitate searching for free content?

Do editors see a difference between the content they get from a professional writer thanΒ that from a blogger, or another internet source?

Do editors see a value in hiring a freelancer or is the temptation of free content too much to resist?

What credentials do you look for a freelancer?

Writers, what do you think is a fair wage?

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February 18, 2009 at 8:38 pm

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Thinking Ahead to the Next #editorchat

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The next #editorchat will be held on Wednesday, Feb 18th at 8-9:30pm EST.Β  We’ve pushed the time up an hour from last week so we don’t have to compete with Lost so our friends in Europe can join us before they have to prop their eyelids open with toothpicks.Β 

We mentioned in the previous chat that we would like to address the issue of fair pay for writers (and editors), especially freelancers.Β  We’d also like to put our collectiveΒ heads together toΒ determineΒ whatΒ can help us all create more qualityΒ content worthy of readers. “Not just productivity tips but an ‘if we did this, editors would have an easier time and publishers would be delighted’ sort of thing,” according to Tim.

As always, we welcome your thoughts and suggestions, and your additional questions.Β  Drop us a comment in the box below and let’s keep the conversation going.

Written by LydiaBreakfast

February 13, 2009 at 8:58 pm

What we discussed on editorchat 2/11

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milehighfool ‘Night all. Thanks for tuning in. #editorchat -10:49 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Thank you very much – good night! #editorchat -10:49 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool Tim Beyers, Motley Fool contributor: http://twurl.nl/borgmv Go to editorchat.wordpress.com to keep the conversation going. #editorchat -10:48 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Once again tweeple, this is Lydia Dishman freelance features writer and editor, been in biz for myself for a decade πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:48 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @velvet_trope you can check the trending # topics under search #editorchat -10:47 PM Feb 11th, 2009

velvet_trope Pardon my stupidity, but how do people find out about hashtag discussions like #editorchat AHEAD of time rather than by stream accident? -10:46 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Time may change so stay tuned… #editorchat -10:45 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Editors/writers/authors check out editorchat.wordpress.com for a transcript and to add thoughts/comments/ questions. #editorchat -10:44 PM Feb 11th, 2009

karonwarren @milehighfool When you don’t compete with Lost! #editorchat -10:44 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer Goodnight, Johnboy. #editorchat -10:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @MrsWrite Thanks Janene. Hope to see you next week. #editorchat -10:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @kathleenotmm Our apologies. If you’ve time, please check out the blog and let us know what times work best for you. #editorchat -10:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Deltavogue @LydiaBreakfast I most definitely will… πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:42 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MrsWrite Great chatting with everyone #editorchat -10:42 PM Feb 11th, 2009

kathleenotmm sorry I missed it…. next week for sure! #editorchat -10:42 PM Feb 11th, 2009

joanna_haugen @MeaganFrancis Agree completely. That’s where I struggle with the “how can I do this for a living?” battle. #editorchat -10:42 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @milehighfool πŸ™‚ I’m in! #editorchat -10:41 PM Feb 11th, 2009

tweethouston rt: Molly from Houston. Thought I’d observe part of the #editorchat discussion, but looks like you’re wrappin.. http://tinyurl.com/ah58ko -10:40 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @todaysmama But great bloggers are writer with IP rights and those rights have a value. How’s that for teeing off next week? #editorchat -10:40 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Likewise if you have discussion topics, drop a comment in the blog. #editorchat -10:39 PM Feb 11th, 2009

kenwheaton @willowbottom the bulk is ephemeral junk … But that’s always been the case with bulk of books, articles. #editorchat -10:39 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @jkwill10 Thank you, sir. We appreciate you participating. #editorchat -10:39 PM Feb 11th, 2009

goodiesformom @LydiaBreakfast Great, I’ll definitely look for it. Thanks #editorchat -10:39 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Remember if you want to continue the discussion, drop a comment in the box on the blog #editorchat -10:39 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool Thanks much, all. Please see the blog for details but we’ll keep timing flexible — we’ve all got deadlines πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:39 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jkwill10 nice work with the chat #editorchat -10:38 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Folks, if you want the transcript I will post it in the AM on editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat -10:38 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps See you all next week — and on Twitter in the meantime. πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:37 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @hotspringer check the blog for the complete deal. #editorchat -10:37 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @GoodSports Hope you’ll join in next week. #editorchat -10:37 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @milehighfool that’s where great bloggers come into play. I think bloggers make content a totally different game #editorchat -10:37 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer Great job @LydiaBreakfast and @milehighfool. Looking forward to the recap. #editorchat -10:37 PM Feb 11th, 2009

joanna_haugen JoAnna Haugen, professional copywriter and globe-trotting freelance writer. Website to debut soon. #editorchat -10:36 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Single_Shot Thanks again for the chance to join in. All this talk about writing made me realize I’ve got a deadline! See you folks later! #editorchat -10:36 PM Feb 11th, 2009

karonwarren @LydiaBreakfast Sounds good. Thanks for setting up the chat! #editorchat -10:36 PM Feb 11th, 2009

GoodSports Missed #editorchat — Maybe next time -10:36 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @milehighfool online we just get a lot of good content submitted to us. I do have to say we always pay in our print pubs though #editorchat -10:36 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly Nice conversation everyone, Thanks a lot, but need to get back to work here. Have an excellent evening!! #editorchat -10:35 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @MeaganFrancis thanks for stopping by! #editorchat -10:35 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Let’s all talk next week about payment – ‘K folks? #editorchat -10:35 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MeaganFrancis website in my profile–nice to meet you all #editorchat -10:35 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps This was a great chat, guys. TOo bad I missed it last week. #editorchat -10:35 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MeaganFrancis Meagan Francis–write about parenting, natural health/wellness, travel for national mags and have a couple parenting books #editorchat -10:35 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mollyblock Molly from Houston. Thought I’d observe part of the #editorchat discussion, but looks like you’re wrapping up. Catch next wk’s ~ #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @netta50 Great having you here. Thanks for dropping by. #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly Thanks everyone! I’m J. D. Ebberly and I write on blogging and social media issues http://sn.im/bq8i8 #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @joanna_haugen agreed – it’s getting harder to gauge what to pay when in 1st place. Some huge blogs pay $15 for a fab guest post #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer Rebecca McCormick-Hot Springs, Ark. Freelance travel and feature writer w/ buz journo background. http://tinyurl.com/RebMcCor #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

goodiesformom Lois Whittaker, Central NJ, Goodies for Mom http://www.goodiesformom.com and New Jersey Moms Blog. I joined a little late. #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Single_Shot Thanks for a great edchat. Diane Mapes, freelance journalist (national news sites, etc) & humor columnist for the Seattle P-I. #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Sascha_Zuger Nice chatting with you all, night. #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

karonwarren I’m Karon Warren, a freelance writer & editor writing on almost every subject available. Also copy edit. http://www.karonwarren.com #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @Deltavogue come next week and join in again πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @todaysmama I can’t agree. It’s never weird to pay for content. @netta50 is right — readers expect good content. #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @netta50 thank you netta, you goddess you πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MeaganFrancis @joanna_haugen yeah, traffic is nice, but it doesn’t pay my bills (and wouldn’t even if I ran ads). #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Sascha_Zuger Sascha Zuger– write for couple dozen national mags, papers, novels and HarperStudio memoir come 2010. #editorchat -10:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jkwill10 Jeff Williams, leaving Gannett paper to start Knight funded nonprofit news org #editorchat -10:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 http://wordwebbing.com/ Freelance writer, editor, and fledgling goddess. Thanks, Tim and Lydia. Great discussion. #editorchat -10:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Deltavogue @hotspringer @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! I am new to the chat ..didn’t realize the format.. #editorchat -10:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama ah! time to go! thanks for chatting – Rachael @ TodaysMama.com #editorchat -10:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @motownmutt we are going to break early tonight and leave some good Qs for next week #editorchat -10:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

joanna_haugen @todaysmama Unfortunately, though, I think that’s part of the reason content suffers. It’s a hard balance. #editorchat -10:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps Jen Nipps, south-central OK (actually in Ada), specialize in creativity, fashion, plus-size issues http://www.jenifernipps.com #editorchat -10:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

clarknwark Michael Clark, COO Mitchell Communications Group http://www.mitchcommgroup.com, PR firm in NW Arkansas #editorchat -10:32 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @kenwheaton thanks Ken – hope you heal speedily #editorchat -10:32 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 RT @LydiaBreakfast: next week, we should tackle the question of what is a fair price to pay freelancers #editorchat -10:32 PM Feb 11th, 2009

delwilliams I am Delores Williams and I write on business issues and politics http://www.deloreswilliams.info #editorchat -10:32 PM Feb 11th, 2009

kenwheaton kenwheaton #Editorchat Thanks guys! Ken Wheaton, A.M.E Ad Age (http://AdAge.com) and first novel droppin Jan ’10 http://kenwheatonwrites.com -10:32 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @jennipps Please do. Thanks much, Jenn. #editorchat -10:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

kenwheaton #Editorchat Thanks guys! Ken Wheaton, A.M.E Ad Age (http:///AdAge.com) and first novel droppin Jan ’10 http://kenwheatonwrites.com -10:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

motownmutt @paulswansen http://is.gd/jfdV #editorchat (I think there’s only 1/2 hour left) -10:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @joanna_haugen it is almost weird for us to pay for content these days. Most people share content and we all share traffic #editorchat -10:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps RT @LydiaBreakfast next week, we should tackle the question of what is a fair price to pay freelancers #editorchat -10:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @jennipps great – thanks! #editorchat -10:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Sascha_Zuger When editors ask writers to jump through too many hoops, pre-contract, they can end up losing the best writers. #editorchat -10:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

joanna_haugen joanna_haugen @LydiaBreakfast I think the local pubs is also where the collaboration btwn writers & editors comes to life. #editorchat -10:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Introduce away folks… #editorchat -10:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @LydiaBreakfast That would be a great idea. πŸ™‚ I’ll promo it in the Absolute Write Water Cooler freelance board if you want. #editorchat -10:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MrsWrite @LydiaBreakfast ooh, good one. #editorchat -10:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool RT @LydiaBreakfast next week, we should tackle the question of what is a fair price to pay freelancers #editorchat -10:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

karonwarren @delwilliams Agreed! I can’t tell you how many times I’ve edited articles by supposed writers that turn out to be interns. #editorchat -10:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @LydiaBreakfast My town (Ada, OK) even has a local mag. It’s proving hard to break into, though, written by the paper staff. #editorchat -10:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Folks it is time to wrap. Take a minute to re-introduce yourself and your links #editorchat -10:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Single_Shot @milehighfool God bless ya, big guy. ; ) I was rather insulted to see the ad – esp. considering it showed up on writer’s forum. #editorchat -10:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @BILL_ROMANOS Hi Bill. Thanks for stopping by. #editorchat -10:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 @Single_Shot You get what you pay for. #editorchat -10:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast next week, we should tackle the question of what is a fair price to pay freelancers #editorchat -10:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BILL_ROMANOS Listening in on #editorchat discussion. -10:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

joanna_haugen @single_shot I think the no pay thing is getting common, esp with online pubs #editorchat -10:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @MeaganFrancis agreed- I also think they do super local best. little billy down the street just got his eagle scout etc. etc. #editorchat -10:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Our local magazine gvillemag.com is awesome in print. #editorchat -10:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MeaganFrancis @Single_Shot they’ll get what they (don’t) pay for, but I can give them a pass moreso than “community” pubs owned by big corps #editorchat -10:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer @single_shot Low-no-pay the norm for online ads. Most $$ freelance jobs are not posted to be found easily. #editorchat -10:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

karonwarren @joanna_haugen At some papers maybe. If it’s like my local paper, that’s not the case. #editorchat -10:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @milehighfool It should certainly be justifiable. Hey! Self-defense? Protecting ourselves & our jobs? lol #editorchat -10:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

delwilliams I think that too many editors are sacrificing quality by hiring nonwriters, and “piece writers (20 articles for $20). #editorchat -10:28 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @joanna_haugen I’ve written for almost all my local pubs (mag, journals, paper) and it helps as a freelancer to meet the peeps #editorchat -10:28 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama good print is something you savor for a good quiet moment – not a stripped down newspaper stock mailer #editorchat -10:28 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @Single_Shot Are we legally allowed to shoot those people? Seriously. I’m asking. #editorchat -10:28 PM Feb 11th, 2009

karonwarren @connectingwomen @todaysmama That is absolutely true where I live. The local paper here is a joke. #editorchat -10:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @connectingwomen agreed! and so few local pubs really invest in brand and quality. if i pick up print – i pick up quality print. #editorchat -10:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Single_Shot @MeaganFrancis I saw an ad recently from a community paper looking 4 people who want to “write for writing’s sake”. No $$$$. Oy. #editorchat -10:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast I think Newsweek is spot on and that the NYT is the model. Good analysis, thoughtful stories, excellent sources. #editorchat -10:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

joanna_haugen I think there are more opportunities for writers with local pubs anyway. #editorchat -10:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

connectingwomen @todaysmama I have to agree with you. Many local pubs are traditional, instead of growing with the town. #editorchat -10:26 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama a big prob I see is that local peeps don’t leverage their strengths and band together so they keep creating sub par pubs #editorchat -10:26 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 @milehighfool People want accurate information fast. I would sacrifice speed for accuracy. Bad content=bad info=bye-bye- reader.#editorchat -10:26 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @palafo Thanks for dropping by, Patrick. Great links on the media biz. #editorchat -10:26 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Any last thoughts about providing quality content and working together? #editorchat -10:26 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @milehighfool a local pub can do live events, promotions and community bldg as well as online but they rarely do it well #editorchat -10:25 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MeaganFrancis @todaysmama I wonder if small papers have been able to be more adaptable–already used to working w/small budget & staff? #editorchat -10:25 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool OK, folks, at 10:30 pm we’ll start intros. Tell us who you are and, if you’d like, post a link. 5 minutes from now. #editorchat -10:25 PM Feb 11th, 2009

connectingwomen @milehighfool @jennipps Thanks. #editorchat -10:25 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @milehighfool I used to think targeted pubs at papers could save the day, but sadly a lot of local pubs don’t build community #editorchat -10:25 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @palafo thanks for checking in though #editorchat -10:25 PM Feb 11th, 2009

clarknwark Listening in on editorchat, COO of Public Relations Firm @mitchcommgroup #editorchat -10:25 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast to quality content #editorchat -10:24 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Single_Shot @todaysmama As someone who’s worked in/around newspapers for 30 years (in one incarnation or another), it’s very sad to see this #editorchat -10:24 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast The pendulum will swing, now everyone is scrambling to provide as much as they can for free, think there will be a return #editorchat -10:24 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @milehighfool I think it’s interesting that small community papers are being read more widely than even big local papers #editorchat -10:24 PM Feb 11th, 2009

palafo Eavesdropping on #editorchat and checking out its blog. Too tired for much chatting myself. http://bit.ly/5Girf -10:24 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @connectingwomen Many, but we’ve been talking about speed vs. accuracy and whether content really can be king. #editorchat -10:23 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @connectingwomen In part, what content is king, travel writing. #editorchat -10:23 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @Single_Shot So sad to hear all the papers going down! We’ve worked with targeted pubs dept.’s almost worked with PI #editorchat -10:23 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @Single_Shot So sad to hear all the papers going down! We’ve worked with targetted pubs dept.’s almost worked with PI #editorchat -10:23 PM Feb 11th, 2009

connectingwomen what is the topic tonight? #editorchat -10:22 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @journalistics Connecting writers and editors to learn how we can help each other. #editorchat -10:22 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @journalistics check out our blog at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat -10:22 PM Feb 11th, 2009

connectingwomen Sorry, I am late. Can only stay for a few minutes tonight. #editorchat -10:22 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @todaysmama Agreed, but recently I wrote about an algorithm NBC is using to deliver hyperlocal news. How do we compete? #editorchat -10:22 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps for finding freelancing jobs online out first. It went live today. 2/2 #editorchat -10:21 PM Feb 11th, 2009

journalistics What is #editorchat all about? -10:21 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @netta50 They won’t. But if the breaking story is what matters most, then what content is king? The soundbite? #editorchat -10:21 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama todaysmama @milehighfool i get on a soapbox- targeted content to a targeted community is king. Even better to a local community #editorchat -10:21 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps Similarly, with a new gig (TutorialBlog) I recently started, of 5 ideas pitched as requested, they wanted five best sites (1/2) #editorchat -10:21 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool same for food/recipes #editorchat -10:20 PM Feb 11th, 2009

delwilliams @milehighfool I do think content is and will be king. #editorchat -10:20 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @Deltavogue Not easy, but good to start with your hometown or another place you are very familiar with @milehighfool #editorchat -10:20 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer @deltavogue Sorry, I don’t want to be electrocuted. Gotta stay on topic. #editorchat -10:20 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool Interestingly, biz writing is seeing something similar. Forget the big idea, how do readers save money *now*? #editorchat -10:20 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Sascha_Zuger @LydiaBreakfast Yep. Pitched that concept with success to a few places back when gas prices first flew, hehe. #editorchat -10:19 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 Without content, your readers don’t come back. Why should they? You lose your credbility.#editorchat -10:19 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Deltavogue How do you break into travel writing? #editorchat -10:19 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @netta50 Yep. TIME feature, I think. #editorchat -10:18 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer @LydiaBreakfast Specialists like @airfarewatchdog are doing great job filtering thru transition to find real travel deals. #editorchat -10:18 PM Feb 11th, 2009

karonwarren @LydiaBreakfast Budget-friendly and, for one of my main markets, within driving distance. #editorchat -10:18 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 RT @joanna_haugen: @todaysmama #editorchat The goal is print, the reality is online. And a lot of the print ends up online anyway. -10:18 PM Feb 11th, 2009

delwilliams @MrsWrite I saw you were on. #editorchat -10:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @delwilliams Glad you’re here. What;’s your take? Can content be king as Newsweek expects? #editorchat -10:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Sascha_Zuger @LydiaBreakfast I’ve also had mag eds change the focus from distant spots to close-to-home getaways people could make daytrips #editorchat -10:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @hotspringer airfares still very high though #editorchat -10:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

joanna_haugen @todaysmama #editorchat The goal is print, the reality is online. And a lot of the print ends up online anyway. -10:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @karonwarren yes I’ve noticed that and all my travel pieces are geared toward budget-friendly #editorchat -10:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer Good news is travel sector is matching lower demand with better discounts. Some previously out-of-range locales are now doable. #editorchat -10:16 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 I heard someone today ask if content is still King. #editorchat -10:16 PM Feb 11th, 2009

delwilliams @milehighfool I am a writer #editorchat -10:16 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @Bobbiec Night. Thanks for joining in! #editorchat -10:16 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @Bobbiec Night Bobbie, see you next week πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:16 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MrsWrite @Single_Shot oh dear. #editorchat -10:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

karonwarren @LydiaBreakfast I’m finding a lot of CVBs/Tourism folks have cut back or eliminated their press trips for the rest of the year. #editorchat -10:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec sorry all — fading fast, not that the convo is boring, just me — night! #editorchat -10:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Deltavogue @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! #editorchat -10:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Sascha_Zuger @LydiaBreakfast mags, mostly #editorchat -10:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @todaysmama Both, but online mostly. #editorchat -10:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Single_Shot @todaysmama I do both. But it looks like one of my main print pubs (the Seattle P-I) is about to close. Sniff. #editorchat -10:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @drizzled Thanks for your input. Good to see you. πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @JDEbberly Ciao JD thanks for coming πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Sascha_Zuger I’ve had eds come back and swap out a place they approved as part of a larger place for one with lower rates. #editorchat -10:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer @LydiaBreakfast Travel has probably been hit as hard as any other sector. Trend toward closer, more budget-friendly destinations #editorchat -10:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly @drizzled Enjoyed listening to you & learning! See you next week! #editorchat -10:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @todaysmama we’re all over the place #editorchat -10:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @drizzled Thanks for stopping by, sir. Great to see you here. #editorchat -10:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @todaysmama So far, mine is about half & half. #editorchat -10:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @drizzled Thank you! #editorchat -10:13 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Sascha_Zuger @LydiaBreakfast I’ve had some high end destinations/round ups killed #editorchat -10:13 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama hello all at #editorchat – do most work with online or print pubs? -10:13 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled Thanks everyone, bowing out for the evening. Great discussion! #editorchat -10:13 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool So the million-dollar Q: Do we all think Newsweek is crazy? Should they keep chasing the same reader b/c nothing changes? #editorchat -10:13 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Are there any travel writers – how has the downturn affected coverage? At all? #editorchat -10:12 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Single_Shot I write a column for a daily paper & health stuff for a nat’l news site. So, no new ways to catch readers. Maybe good writing?;) #editorchat -10:12 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool What I’m hearing that works: lists, series, how-to. Little has changed. What works offline works online. #editorchat -10:12 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer @kenwheaton Totally agree on separation for news side. Smaller one-owner lifestyle pubs, not so hardlined, it seems. #editorchat -10:11 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Deltavogue Just popping in to see what I can learn! Great convo! #editorchat -10:11 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled @milehighfool sometimes serial work, actually. generally i just have them flip ideas by me, & if it feels stale, i take a pass #editorchat -10:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MrsWrite @delwilliams Glad to see you here, my friend. #editorchat -10:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec @milehighfool I have also been showing writers stuff from successful newsletters (w/ high click-thru rates) what works #editorchat -10:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 RT @drizzled:don’t be boyfriend/girlfriend, speaking from exp. seriously, give and take crits well, writing is never personal #editorchat -10:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly @delwilliams Welcome to Editorchat, Del! #editorchat -10:09 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @delwilliams Thanks much. Are you writing or editing or both? #editorchat -10:09 PM Feb 11th, 2009

kenwheaton @hotspringer #editorchat We’ve never assigned based on what advertisers want. Church/State/Etc. -10:09 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @drizzled So like a series? #editorchat -10:08 PM Feb 11th, 2009

delwilliams Just wanted to drop by and say hello. Good conversation #editorchat -10:08 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MrsWrite @milehighfool I think it’s all about giving the topic a fresh twist. Nothing new under the sun πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:07 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @Single_Shot Glad you could make it! Are eds. asking you to try new things to catch readers? #editorchat -10:07 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly @kenwheaton You’re fine, Ken. #editorchat -10:07 PM Feb 11th, 2009

kenwheaton #editorchat though i work at a trade that doesnt use many freelancers and reporters have to know beats cold -10:07 PM Feb 11th, 2009

kenwheaton #editorchat If my tweets seem weirdly out of order it’s cuz my text from phone apparently went nuts. -10:06 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled @milehighfool I depend mostly on keeping writers producing topical content, and on making them all part of promotional efforts #editorchat -10:06 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @drizzled I tend to do that anyway. Er… the second one, not the first. πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:06 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @joanna_haugen Yeah, that’s crap. Seriously. When advertisers start dictating, it’s time to go. #editorchat -10:06 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled @jennipps don’t be boyfriend/girlfriend, haha. speaking from exp. seriously, give and take crits well, writing is never personal #editorchat -10:05 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec @milehighfool online communities is where it’s at these days #editorchat -10:05 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool Same Q for the writers. @MrsWrite — is it to be trendy per your point about packaging? #editorchat -10:05 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Single_Shot @milehighfool Hey folks! Popping in for a few … looks like another great discussion! #editorchat -10:05 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @joanna_haugen that crosses a line I am not comfortable with #editorchat -10:05 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps OK, not really “accident.” I knew the editor before I started writing for him. #editorchat -10:04 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool Makes me wonder what publishers are trying now. What are you doing to get more readers? #editorchat -10:04 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @louseeyb thanks for coming by! #editorchat -10:04 PM Feb 11th, 2009

joanna_haugen What I find hardest is when and editor and I agree on an article but the advertisers are ultimately the ones who drive content. #editorchat -10:04 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps Speaking of writers/editors working together, what tips do you have for developing such a relationship? (I have 1, by accident.) #editorchat -10:04 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly @louseeyb Thanks for joining the conversation! See you next week! πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:03 PM Feb 11th, 2009

tweet_trends #editorchat: [twitter] http://tinyurl.com/atoprh -10:03 PM Feb 11th, 2009

InterfaxTMT @jennips i.e. the opposite of this relationship between a writer and his subs – http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/series/coren #editorchat -10:03 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @louseeyb Thanks for participating. #editorchat -10:03 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool We’re trending folks, keep it up! #editorchat -10:03 PM Feb 11th, 2009

louseeyb @LydiaBreakfast got to run, night! thanks #editorchat -10:02 PM Feb 11th, 2009

RealTimeTrends #editorchat – is now the #9 trend on twitter. Follow here: http://idek.net/2DG -10:02 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool But there’s also an ugly side: Because you know, there’s an awful temptation to be manipulative. Good for UVs, bad for readers. #editorchat -10:02 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MrsWrite @milehighfool Yes, but with clever packaging. How you package is key. #editorchat -10:02 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @kenwheaton Side note – how is your nose? #editorchat -10:01 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast Yes, it is. You can see the trends and know what the reader wants. #editorchat -10:01 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer If medium is ad-driven, writers and ed’s must collaborate to find balance between what ad-people and reader-people will pay for. #editorchat -10:01 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool so it should be easier to customize what your doing online to make the reader interested #editorchat -10:00 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @MrsWrite Service is the key, right? have to be easy to edit. #editorchat -10:00 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec @LydiaBreakfast ah,the biz model question. been working that one with our kid site too — trying lots of diff things #editorchat -10:00 PM Feb 11th, 2009

kenwheaton @milehighfool … I am an editor. Twitter good for some things but does not guide our pace #editorchat -10:00 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool On the Web, it’s easier to tell what works. The measurement tools are there. UVs, actions, etc. What if you’re in print? #editorchat -9:59 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MrsWrite @milehighfool Oh, quirky, quick items with a newsy (why now?) hook and a touch of service. #editorchat -9:59 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps If there’s a good writer/editor relationship, pitches go both ways and they seem to work better together to develop the content. #editorchat -9:59 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Anyone else: How can writers and editors work together to provide content that people will actually pay for? #editorchat -9:58 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer RT jennipps There has to be a good working relationship from the start. Writers can’t afford to see editors as adversaries. #editorchat -9:58 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled @Bobbiec have definitely gone with the gut on many occasions. Generally works out, but when it doesn’t, it really doesn’t. #editorchat -9:58 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled @LydiaBreakfast Good Q. Only prior experience is with subscription comics site, and that didn’t work out, so I’m not sure. #editorchat -9:57 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @LydiaBreakfast THere has to be a good working relationship from the start. Writers can’t afford to see editors as adversaries. #editorchat -9:57 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @MrsWrite Really interested in how you see this question, Janene. You’re working with national mags. What are eds. demanding? #editorchat -9:56 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec @drizzled it’s the press the button and hold breath! I know when my gut says “No” I’m asking for trouble #editorchat -9:56 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Next Q – How can writers and editors work together to provide content that people will actually pay for? #editorchat -9:55 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled @Bobbiec Before, if possible. Good point though, sometimes you go to press and hope it pans out without a reply from sources #editorchat -9:55 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly @MrsWrite Hi there, MrsWrite! Welcome to Editorchat! #editorchat -9:55 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @MrsWrite Hey! Thanks for joining in. #editorchat -9:55 PM Feb 11th, 2009

InterfaxTMT @milehighfool exactly. = drop in quality/drop in readers/revenue drop/ maybe more unemployed journos writing damn fine blogs #editorchat -9:54 PM Feb 11th, 2009

AaronSkwarcan @jesshatchigan even if I wasn’t in the #editorchat conversation, can I still say goodnight? -9:54 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MrsWrite @milehighfool Jumping in the conversation. Hi there:) #editorchat -9:54 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled re: multitasking @hotspringer i tdo photos, illustrations, photoshop, html/css. web writers are the copywriters & the print shop #editorchat -9:54 PM Feb 11th, 2009

louseeyb @jennipps with a staff of only 3 in editorial dept, we have to check everything #editorchat -9:54 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @janeco Thanks for stopping by. #editorchat -9:53 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 RT @jennipps: I think even if fact-checkers are used, writers should do their own, too. Otherwise it’d be easy to get lazy. #editorchat -9:53 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec @drizzled before or after it is published online? #editorchat -9:53 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jesshatchigan Thank you, everyone. Good night and good luck. Great chat. #editorchat -9:53 PM Feb 11th, 2009

janeco Gotta run, thanks for the exchange…see u next week #editorchat -9:53 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @mguerard ‘nite, and many thanks for joining. #editorchat -9:52 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @mguerard G’night, Marsha. Nice to see/meet you. πŸ™‚ #editorchat -9:52 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 Technology and the publishing biz changes on a daily basis.It’s up to the writer/editor to keep skill sets sharp.Job requirement.#editorchat -9:52 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @mguerard ‘Night Marsha. Thanks for joining in the conversation. #editorchat -9:52 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @LydiaBreakfast Agreed. I’d never think of turning something in that I hadn’t checked myself first. #editorchat -9:52 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool Fool has one group of financial editors and another group of copyeds. Sill, with our volume, I have to fact check. #editorchat -9:51 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard Gnight gang. Thank you for an interesting hour. #editorchat -9:51 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer Re: multitasking. Being able to provide hi-res photos sometimes help land assignment. Now, I also take video. #editorchat -9:51 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BenLaMothe @hotspringer I think it’s a good practice to require writers to give eds the source contact info for fact check. #editorchat -9:51 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @jennipps I think fact checking goes with multi-tasking, you better be darn good at it to stay relevant #editorchat -9:51 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled @milehighfool with my blog work, I’m always responsible for fact checking. Penalty for not checking source? Article dropped. #editorchat -9:51 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec @hotspringer wow, I thought we had completely lost fact-checking as a role. Rarely see them any more #editorchat -9:50 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @milehighfool I think even if fact-checkers are used, writers should do their own, too. Otherwise it’d be easy to get lazy. #editorchat -9:50 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool RT @LydiaBreakfast Related Q Is fact-checking up to the writer, or do you still use fact-checkers? #editorchat -9:49 PM Feb 11th, 2009

janeco @LydiaBreakfast I make sure writers turn in fact-checked stories; I do my own fact-checking, too #editorchat -9:49 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly RT @netta50: You have to multi-task in order to keep yourself marketable. #editorchat #editorchat -9:49 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec @jennipps me too! Am using “downtime” to do different stuff. #editorchat -9:49 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer For some editors, I’m required to submit source info with my story. Fact-checkrs take over from there. Other times, I do it. #editorchat -9:49 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @jesshatchigan Even with that, though, I’ve found some resources to help me learn how to take better pics. #editorchat -9:49 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @InterfaxTMT How so. As in more, more, more and quality be damned? #editorchat -9:48 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps RT @netta50 You have to multi-task in order to keep yourself marketable. #editorchat -9:48 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled RT @milehighfool:So, to eat, you really need a broader skillset as a writer — whether you’re an author or reporter. #editorchat Too true. -9:48 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @Bobbiec Then provided I can learn a couple other things I’m wanting to do anyway, I should be in good shape. (Always multi-task #editorchat -9:48 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jesshatchigan Technology is part of the answer. e.g., point and shoot cameras mean non-photogs can take print quality photos #editorchat -9:48 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 You have to multi-task in order to keep yourself marketable. #editorchat -9:48 PM Feb 11th, 2009

InterfaxTMT @milehighfool of course! Another result of increased pressure is higher-ups’ increasing hostility to editorial process #editorchat -9:48 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly RT @milehighfool: @LATimesNystrom Thanks much, Andrew. Hope you’ll join us again next week. #editorchat #editorchat -9:47 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BenLaMothe @KimBrame Any tips you might have on best practices. Am running 2nd virtual newsroom atm w/j-school students. #editorchat -9:47 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Related Q Is fact-checking up to the writer, or do you still use fact-checkers? #editorchat -9:47 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @LATimesNystrom Thanks much, Andrew. Hope you’ll join us again next week. #editorchat -9:47 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec Whoops wrong hash snuck into my tweetgrid — @jennipps — I think people will hire multi-taskers #editorchat -9:47 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 RT @milehighfool:So, to eat, you really need a broader skillset as a writer — whether you’re an author or reporter. #editorchat Absolutely. -9:46 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jkwill10 @milehighfool our beat reporters stopped complaining about broadening a long time ago #editorchat -9:46 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard @LATimesNystrom when your reporters produce video, are they responsible for their own editing? #editorchat -9:46 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LATimesNystrom @milehighfool Speaking of kids, and speed. I must sign off now, to partake of bathtime. Thanks for the invite. Good night, all. #editorchat -9:46 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled @milehighfool i think mine are less involved then yours. i like the challenge, though i admit i fear burnout sometimes #editorchat -9:45 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @Willowbottom Great seeing you here, Willowbottom. Thanks for stopping by. #editorchat -9:45 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @LATimesNystrom So, to eat, you really need a broader skillset as a writer — whether you’re an author or reporter. #editorchat -9:45 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jkwill10 later willowbottom #editorchat -9:44 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @InterfaxTMT But we’re worth it, right? πŸ™‚ #editorchat -9:44 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LATimesNystrom Web-only content goes beyond writen stories to blogs, more photos, video etc. More + more LAT reporters now do all of the above. #editorchat -9:44 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jkwill10 @milehighfool we’ve found more content=less depth — it is a frustrating cycle #editorchat -9:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @drizzled That’s *tough*. How do you do it? #editorchat -9:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @milehighfool First impulse is to say find a niche. But a lot of people are niched-out, so what next? I don’t know. #editorchat -9:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Willowbottom adorable little boys are home – I’m outta here. Nice chatting as always. #editorchat -9:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

janeco As far as long articles online go, I don’t hv the time or patience to read them and wind up priting them out #editorchat -9:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard The practical effect is a drop in quality. We lost 5 percent of our staff this week. You reach critical mass. #editorchat -9:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BenLaMothe Do any of you have experience with running a virtual newsroom? #editorchat -9:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly @BobSchaller I enjoyed your insights. Thanks for participating. #editorchat -9:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

InterfaxTMT Finding the pressure of editing makes staying informed and doing things like following #editorchat v.difficult -9:42 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool And what can we as writers do to help? Seems we’re all squeezed. #editorchat -9:42 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @drizzled that is an enormous amount of work, and that is what makes me feel that we are becoming knowlege econ piece workers #editorchat -9:42 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool So if editors are under pressure for more content and staffs are shrinking, what’s the practical effect? #editorchat -9:42 PM Feb 11th, 2009

janeco this discussion brings us back to where we started re speed and the need for updates for online #editorchat -9:42 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @BobSchaller Headed out? Good to see you. Good insight into book crashes. πŸ™‚ #editorchat -9:42 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @BobSchaller Thanks to you Bob πŸ™‚ #editorchat -9:41 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled Sorry for late entrance. @milehighfool @jkwill I’m in the same boat. 4 articles a day, minimum. Trying to get to 6 #editorchat -9:41 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Thanks for the great chat, everyone. Neat topics. Good job hosting LY and Mile. #editorchat -9:41 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Willowbottom @LATimesNystrom make that “iterative.” #editorchat #editorchat -9:41 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @Willowbottom Same. That’s why I don’t make as much as I could. I obsess over sourcing. #editorchat -9:40 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @Willowbottom i agonize too, and take my responsibility as a reporter very seriously #editorchat -9:40 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Willowbottom @LATimesNystrom So Web is an interative process, print is polished content? #editorchat -9:40 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Willowbottom @LydiaBreakfast Speaking for myself only, tho I agonize over every word I write, info glut makes me more superficial w/other stf #editorchat -9:39 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jkwill10 @LATimesNystrom we did the longer-on-web thing until we editors just had too much to edit #editorchat -9:39 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @LATimesNystrom That really encapsulates the beauty of the Web. I love writing for the medium. Print is great but Web is dynamic #editorchat -9:39 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LATimesNystrom Re speed, we post early edits of time-sensitive stories, then follow up with multiple write-thrus that lead to a final version. #editorchat -9:39 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Willowbottom @LydiaBreakfast This assumes the consumers sit around and read more than the title and first paragraph. #editorchat -9:38 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool RT @LATimesNystrom Many @LATimes stories run longer on web than in print, so we satisfy both editors and writers. #editorchat -9:38 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @jenleo that would be the best case scenario but with staff cuts, how does it happen? #editorchat -9:38 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @louseeyb Welcome. We’re glad you made time. #editorchat -9:37 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jenleo @latimesnystrom why can’t we deliver all three? #editorchat -9:37 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LATimesNystrom Many @LATimes stories run longer on web than in print, so we satisfy both editors who prefer tight and writers who prefer long. #editorchat -9:37 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jkwill10 @Willowbottom If you consider supply and demand, I guess it would #editorchat -9:37 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @Willowbottom consumers are educated by what we feed them #editorchat -9:37 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard Oh yes, there is more content. Not sure how much readers want anymore. & yes, it’s terrifying how much goes up w/o editing. #editorchat -9:36 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @LATimesNystrom We asked about speed earlier and most seem to agree that speed is essential. How do you address the tension? #editorchat -9:36 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Willowbottom Random thought – does publishing more content faster, reduce the value consumers place on content? Does it create a spiral? #editorchat -9:36 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @jkwill10 Web speed is tough. Most days, I’m writing three to four articles for the site. #editorchat -9:35 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LATimesNystrom There’s tension between more web content, traffic and maintaining standards upheld by our print tradition. Our readers want more #editorchat -9:35 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @mguerard do you find that the print stories subsequently differ (contain more info) than the initial web stories? #editorchat -9:35 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast In case you missed the next Q Editors, are you under pressure to publish more content faster? Articles, books, etc.? #editorchat -9:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jkwill10 It is calming when I take a breath and edit instead of forcing Web-speed on our breaking news #editorchat -9:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @LATimesNystrom Hey Andrew. Glad you could join. Let’s put the Q to you: Is the Times under pressure to publish more? #editorchat -9:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Willow, it will do a very good number. Dummies is different than the books the trades will do on it. Dummies is how-to #editorchat -9:32 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @LATimesNystrom Welcome to you! #editorchat -9:32 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller We actually post our own stories at times on SwimNetwork, so I learned Viper Content Management. But lack of editing frightens m #editorchat -9:32 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard In newspapers, the pressure is to push it to the Web. #editorchat -9:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LATimesNystrom Pls welcome @LATimes “On the Media” columnist @latrainey to Twitter. Here’s his recent story about @spotus: http://tr.im/fuX9 #editorchat -9:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast RT @milehighfool Conversely: Editors, are you under pressure to publish more content faster? Articles, books, etc.? #editorchat -9:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Willowbottom @LydiaBreakfast So true – is Twitter for Dummies a timely book? Hmmm… #editorchat -9:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller But Lydia, the success stories for self pub (more than 1,000 copies) are about 1 in 150,000 titles #editorchat -9:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool Conversely: Editors, are you under pressure to publish more content faster? Articles, books, etc.? #editorchat -9:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller I’m doing a dissertation, have five books coming out, and write several pieces weekly for SwimNetwork.4Me no more crashes likely #editorchat -9:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps RT @Willowbottom I’m holding out for “Twitter for Dummies.” http://tinyurl.com/d7yaar #editorchat -9:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @Willowbottom By the time it comes out, Twitter may be obsolete, no? #editorchat -9:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Phelps book came out two months and three days after closing ceremonies — that’s in store #editorchat -9:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool Back to the big idea: Does Twittertime mean you pack more into less time, at the behest of an editor? #editorchat -9:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jesshatchigan @bobschaller, what time frames have you worked within doing crash books? #editorchat -9:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec @BobSchaller thanx, just curious. (work w/ co that does tween fiction books 240 pages) #editorchat -9:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Twitter for Dummies is out soon #editorchat -9:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @Willowbottom That’d be one to have. πŸ™‚ #editorchat -9:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @BobSchaller self-pub brings even more flexibility and ability to print quickly #editorchat -9:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Smaller publishers can do it faster, but don’t get the buy-ins from the distributers, and none are at big-box (WalMart-Costco) #editorchat -9:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Willowbottom I’m holding out for “Twitter for Dummies.” http://tinyurl.com/d7yaar #editorchat -9:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps It seems like I’ve seen a book mentioned about Twitter that’s already out, but I can’t remember by whom or the name of the book. #editorchat -9:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @Bobbiec a year to 18 months was average at RH #editorchat -9:28 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller I don’t have a context for that, Bobby. When I write for trades, it’s usually a year, except with a crash book. #editorchat -9:28 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly @Willowbottom The economic crisis is still unfolding, I’m sorry to have to say. #editorchat -9:28 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast And it seems like it is taking forever, yet he only mentioned it last month #editorchat -9:28 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Lydia, there are 17 trade books coming out on Twitter, and 11 self-pubbed — that I know of #editorchat -9:28 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec @BobSchaller what do you consider regular production schedule; 4 our team — a year, with 4 books in process at a time #editorchat -9:28 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Press was pack-chasing blond white girls in Aruba and missing white babies in (wherever that one girl is from) #editorchat -9:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @Willowbottom Not in a book. No chance. If Tim Geithner can’t tell us what he’s going to do, then would the book be about? #editorchat -9:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Do you know @shelisrael? He’s writing a book about Twitter #editorchat -9:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard I think there was some excellent perspective even early on with the $ crisis. #editorchat -9:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Irony is Willow, those stories, even on Madoff, were out years ago. No one in mainstream media paid attention #editorchat -9:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @Willowbottom I think if someone is paying attention to trends they can turn out a quality book in what seems like a hurry #editorchat -9:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @Willowbottom Personally, I doubt it. People are still mired eye-deep in it and there’s still a lot of fear & panic. #editorchat -9:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer @bobschaller Good tidbit about how-to books. I’ll remember that. #editorchat -9:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Willowbottom @jennipps I wonder how much depends on the author. Has enough time elapsed to, say, shed perspective on $$ crisis, for example? #editorchat -9:26 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Most of the how-to books, even the thin ones, are on regular production guideliness but sell at a premium rate and do great #s #editorchat -9:26 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @BenLaMothe I think it’s blurred beyinf recognition, Ben πŸ™‚ #editorchat -9:25 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @hotspringer Interesting comparison. I hadn’t heard that one before. #editorchat -9:25 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BenLaMothe @milehighfool I still think there’s a difference between news and news analysis. But the line has become blurred. #editorchat -9:25 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer Airport thin-how-to-books are equivalent to e-books for people with no laptop or not enough battery life to read one. #editorchat -9:24 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @Willowbottom (sent too soon) It largely depends on the writer and how well they do under deadline/pressure. #editorchat -9:24 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @kenwheaton but for those of us who do, it seems that time is speeded up #editorchat -9:24 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @kenwheaton And your editors? Do they expect you to work on Twittertime? #editorchat -9:24 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @Willowbottom Sometimes it can, but not always. #editorchat -9:23 PM Feb 11th, 2009

kenwheaton #editorchat overwhelming majority of readers dont know twitter much less twittertime -9:23 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool Airport book shops seem to flaunting thin how-to books. I’m assuming these are of the “instant” variety. #editorchat -9:23 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Willowbottom @LydiaBreakfast Sincere Q: should “timely topics” even be published as books? Does timeliness compromise quality? #editorchat #editorchat -9:22 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard meaningful. You saw this man who was, by that point, quite vulnerable and reflective. #editorchat -9:22 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps As of right now, I don’t have an agent, but hopefully that will change soon. #editorchat -9:22 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard The thing about that Hudson pilot is that even with two to three weeks’ perspective, his interview on 60 Mins. was much more #editorchat -9:22 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @LydiaBreakfast I have to agree with that. WHen I think of a crash book, I think little-to-no contact/research before contract #editorchat -9:22 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jesshatchigan @LydiaBreakfast timely topics are very important to my agent. #editorchat -9:21 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller pushing,” so I took that 13,000 words, told my agent, and sold the next day to St. Martin’s. Anyway I’ll listen for a bit πŸ™‚ #editorchat -9:21 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool RT @LydiaBreakfast Considering the speed of Twitter, is there such thing as Twittertime? #editorchat -9:21 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @BobSchaller exactly, which makes it not-so-instant #editorchat -9:21 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller When his agent picked someone else for his own book, I said fine (they had gotten me Rulon Gardner’s Book deal for NEver stop pu #editorchat -9:21 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Absolutely I had interviewed him 20 times, and his teammates. But I didn’t think about writing it until the night he won 8 #editorchat -9:20 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller porch piller, breaking his hand. It was a fair picture of him, not a hack job, and not a put-on-pedestal thing #editorchat -9:20 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @BobSchaller but you had done legwork before? #editorchat -9:20 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller And yet my book had the never reported story about how seven months after pleading out a DUI, he got drunk and punched a #editorchat -9:19 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Considering the speed of Twitter, is there such thing as Twittertime? Making everything else seem too slow? #editorchat -9:19 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @BobSchaller Agreed, but are you speaking as a reader or writer? As a writer, I rarely parrot the analyst. Context matters. #editorchat -9:19 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller I was asked about crashing a book on the Hudson Landing. I had crashed a Phelps book two weeks after Olympics #editorchat -9:19 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @BobSchaller On station — maybe 2 — in OKC has a “rants” section & tries to keep news as just that during the rest. #editorchat -9:19 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Q2 Book authors, how important are timely topics to your agents/publishers? How fast can you knock out a book? #editorchat -9:18 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller It’s almost all opinions and rants, MileHigh. I’d rather get some good facts and come to my own truths, not parrot an analyst #editorchat -9:18 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool agreed, with so much info, it helps to have a guide to interpret it all #editorchat -9:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @milehighfool I think that’s an accurate assessment. #editorchat -9:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Something has to give with a demassification of mass media, in other words. Breaks my heart it is the daily paper #editorchat -9:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 @BobSchaller You hit that right on the head. #editorchat -9:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @BenLaMothe Interesting point. My own view of this is that news has become news analysis. I think that’s good. Opinions? #editorchat -9:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller I’m not sure, MileHigh. It’s such a personal taste. We’re having to take a micro approach with mass media, don’t know if possibl #editorchat -9:16 PM Feb 11th, 2009

chuckhemann @jennipps @LydiaBreakfast rightly or wrongly I’ve come to expect it from wire services on earnings rpts #editorchat -9:16 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jesshatchigan @milehighfool Newsweek will hopefully find its audience w that approach. Other audiences may wish to sacrifice perspective. #editorchat -9:16 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller “crash” books like that are a nightmare, Lydia. But they are cash cows at times #editorchat -9:16 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @BobSchaller That seems to argue more for accuracy than speed, yes? #editorchat -9:16 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller of what they read or see, not “believe” — OOPS. Real-time reporting error #editorchat -9:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @mguerard as a Random House vet, I know they can turn books out on a dime, hence “instant books” but often had research going #editorchat -9:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BenLaMothe @milehighfool Newsweek is trying to run in on The Economist’s territory. Notice how TE has no bylines? Wonder if NW will do same #editorchat -9:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Selective exposure, with US vs. Them “news” outlets, conditions and feeds that #editorchat -9:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

janeco print can never compete with the speed of online but in print that online story can be more fully developed #editorchat -9:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Hmm. Data on audience trust of the media would suggest readers don’t believe a whole heck of a lot of what they believe #editorchat -9:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

IrisJumbe I’ve read @milehighfool‘s edchat rules. wonder if any1 is allowed to throw in a ‘?’ when they have one even if not on topic? #editorchat -9:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jesshatchigan I agree w @jkwill10 – partial is okay. Incorrect is another matter. #editorchat -9:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool RT @jkwill10 there is a huge dif between partial and incorrect — Exactly #editorchat -9:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @jkwill10 Agreed. With partial, you expect updates, which is OK, but not necessarily corrections. #editorchat -9:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @jkwill10 agreed, but again, isn’t it a matter of “educating” your audience on what to expect? #editorchat -9:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard I would bet that nonfiction writers, the ones who sum up some major event in the instant book, do feel the same fast is good. #editorchat -9:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer RT @jkwill10 there is a huge dif between partial and incorrect #editorchat -9:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @LydiaBreakfast But not all the time. #editorchat -9:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jkwill10 there is a huge dif between partial and incorrect #editorchat -9:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @LydiaBreakfast I agree. Yet I still hope it doesn’t happen enough to condition people to expect mistakes. Every now & then, OK. #editorchat -9:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool And what about Newsweek’s model? Less speed, fewer pages, higher prices, more perspective. Doable if speed is what sells? #editorchat -9:13 PM Feb 11th, 2009

tommycummings @LydiaBreakfast Not with news releases. On leaks, you add the context. Breaking news … it’s wide open … right now #editorchat -9:13 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @milehighfool I can’t speak on that personally, but from friends/acquaintances, sometimes they do. #editorchat -9:13 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller I’m speaking as a journalist, though I do write for New Media. The books are a different game. I like the closure of real print #editorchat -9:13 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @jennipps But if a story runs with partial or possibly incorrect info, then we are conditioning the audience to expect that #editorchat -9:13 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @LydiaBreakfast But to expect mistakes? I hope not. #editorchat -9:12 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @LydiaBreakfast I think it’s OK for readers to expect updates. I often wonder what’s the rest of the story after the piece runs. #editorchat -9:12 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @BobSchaller Is this true of all mediums? I wonder if book authors and agents feel similarly. #editorchat -9:12 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @tommycummings how about with press releases or leaks? #editorchat -9:12 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard Readers expected updates anyway. #editorchat -9:11 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 *Waving* I’m Netta, a wordaholic. Freelance writer, editor, and fledgling goddess. Nice to meet you. #editorchat -9:11 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @JDEbberly Exactly! #editorchat -9:11 PM Feb 11th, 2009

tommycummings In the context of tweeting, it’s understood that it’s unedited/unfiltered. #editorchat -9:11 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast so are we conditioning readers to expect updates/corrections? #editorchat -9:11 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller And by the time a story would be fully chased down, someone’s had eight babies or a dog with a cool name has won a show #editorchat -9:11 PM Feb 11th, 2009

janeco @jennipps absolutely #editorchat -9:11 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @LydiaBreakfast I don’t think so. #editorchat -9:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly @jennipps Speed is important, but it needs to be balanced with accuracy. #editorchat -9:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Just by definition speed trumps accuracy a lot of the time. Verification, editing, asking questions, all takes time. #editorchat -9:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @janeco In that case, there should be a commitment to follow up & have it stated, too. Haven’t see either in the local paper. #editorchat -9:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

tommycummings Unless the tweets endanger public safety, you go with them on first run despite their accuracy. #editorchat -9:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

janeco It’s never ok to get facts wrong..u lose that u lose ur credibility #editorchat -9:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Specifically regarding the NYT story on Caroline Kennedy’s run for legis. #editorchat -9:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @JDEbberly An asset, yes. But how do you get fast? Fire the fact checker? #editorchat -9:09 PM Feb 11th, 2009

janeco Speed doesnt have to trump accuracy but u probably won’t have a fully developed story #editorchat -9:09 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Are we saying that it is ok to get some facts wrong, to make sure we get the scoop? #editorchat -9:09 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller I miss the good read, in other words. I do love the news cycle and finding things out. But it’s hard to explicate in real time #editorchat -9:09 PM Feb 11th, 2009

tommycummings @LydiaBreakfast It’s a component. At times, it should be the starting point. I believe the mainstream media is embracing it #editorchat -9:09 PM Feb 11th, 2009

janeco With speed u might not be able to have a fully developed story but can return to it with updates #editorchat -9:08 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast Did during the Mumbai tragedy. Twitter *was* the news channel for a time. #editorchat -9:08 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @JDEbberly But why does speed seem to trump accuracy? #editorchat -9:08 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer Quoting @woodenhorsepub earlier today, re:Q1 “We may not be first to get out the word, but we won’t say until we verify.” #editorchat -9:08 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller And I mean well-written stories as in the past. I get the real-time newscycle. I want context, breadth, sources, etc #editorchat -9:08 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @IrisJumbe Hi Iris, welcome! #editorchat -9:08 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly Q1: Speed is definitely an asset. #editorchat -9:08 PM Feb 11th, 2009

IrisJumbe Hi Everyone! Iris Jumbe: Copywriter, editor and accomplished neurotic #editorchat -9:07 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller I don’t see a lot of good stories. It’s hit and miss with random events. A few “facts” (that often change). Updates, sure #editorchat -9:07 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard I live in a smaller city. We’re the daily. We don’t tweet (yet). But watching what others do in this market is just fun. #editorchat -9:07 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @tommycummings right but how do they factor in as real breaking news, esp. after the plane crash in NYC #editorchat -9:07 PM Feb 11th, 2009

janeco It’s an even more competitive environment now so, yes, speed trumps #editorchat -9:07 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps I’ve seen incomplete stories in the local paper because they *had* to get the story out NOW. I understand that to an extent…. #editorchat -9:06 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @mguerard Why fun? isn’t it difficult to win the speed game with so much competition? #editorchat -9:06 PM Feb 11th, 2009

tommycummings I believe you treat tweets as a conversation during a live event. They build into the developing and final story. #editorchat -9:05 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly Hello everyone! J. D. Ebberly – Feature writer for the blogging & socmed spaces from north VA, joining in. #editorchat -9:05 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jkwill10 Hello, Jeff Williams, city editor Wisconsin Rapids Daily Tribune for two more days then Knight Found project leader #editorchat -9:05 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard I do value speed more now. It’s so much more fun. #editorchat -9:05 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @mguerard By all means, Marsha. I’m just not that nimble πŸ™‚ #editorchat -9:05 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q 1: Given the changes that are occuring, do we value speed more or differently that we used to #editorchat -9:04 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps Q1 – I think a lot of people are preferring speed, sometimes — IMO — at the expense of a fully-developed story. #editorchat -9:04 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Yes, Lydia, we value the breaking news — at the expense of context, and often, accuracy #editorchat -9:04 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Hello, Bob Schaller, former journalist, currently author and magazine writer #editorchat -9:04 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jesshatchigan Hello, all. Jess Hatchigan, writer (nonfiction, screenplays, articles), joining in. #editorchat -9:04 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @mguerard You might be able to, but I can’t. lol. (Then again, haven’t watched Lost since halfway through 2nd season.) #editorchat -9:04 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Q 1: Given the changes that are occuring, do we value speed (the breaking story) more or differently that we used to? #editorchat -9:03 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard You mean we can’t watch Lost and tweet? #editorchat -9:03 PM Feb 11th, 2009

janeco Hi everyone, freelance writer/editor for print & online #editorchat -9:03 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer Hello, again. Rebecca McCormick – freelance travel and feature writer from Hot Springs, Ark. #editorchat -9:02 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool Tim Beyers, Motley Fool contributor here. Welcome everyone. Hoping Lost and Shorty Awards don’t steal too many people away. #editorchat -9:02 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly RT @milehighfool: And we’re live. Welcome to the second edition of #editorchat #editorchat -9:02 PM Feb 11th, 2009

IrisJumbe RT @milehighfool And we’re live. Welcome to the second edition of #editorchat -9:01 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast I’ll give everyone a minute or two to get aquainted before the first ?? #editorchat -9:01 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps Hi, guys! Jen Nipps, freelance writer (recently on TutorialBlog.org and WritingForDollars.com) in south-central Oklahoma. #editorchat -9:01 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard Hi, Marsha Guerard. Daily newspaper editor in Charleston, SC. #editorchat -9:01 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Good evening all – Welcome to our conversation, Lydia Dishman, freelance writer and editor #editorchat -9:00 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Sascha_Zuger Hello, all. Sascha Zuger here –freelancer for mags/papers and author. #editorchat -9:00 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool And we’re live. Welcome to the second edition of #editorchat -9:00 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool (5/5) No. 5. STAY ON TOPIC. #editorchat -8:58 PM Feb 11th, 2009

tommycummings Tommy Cummings from The Dallas Morning News’ community newspaper division here. #editorchat -8:57 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool (4/5) No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat -8:57 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool (3/5) No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat -8:57 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool (2/5) No. 2. Stay on topic. #editorchat -8:56 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool (1/5) Time for the #editorchat rules. No 1. Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors. -8:55 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly RT!! For those who need details how to join tonight’s #editorchat: http://bit.ly/5pDYz And the potential topic.. http://tinyurl.com/bssl -8:50 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jkwill10 Look for conversations to jump during Lost commercials #editorchat -8:49 PM Feb 11th, 2009

kenwheaton #editorchat … during Lost? Yallz killing me! πŸ™‚ -8:49 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool And tweeps: If you’re not interested in #editorchat, you can eliminate the noise by asking your client SW to filter “#editorchat.” -8:47 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool 15 minutes till we go live on #editorchat. If you’d like to ask a question send DM to me or @LydiaBreakfast. -8:46 PM Feb 11th, 2009

howtotweets RT: For those who need details how to join tonight’s #editorchat: http://bit.ly/5pDYz And the potential topic.. http://tinyurl.com/bssl3p -8:40 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool For those who need details how to join tonight’s #editorchat: http://bit.ly/5pDYz And the potential topics: http://is.gd/jdzo -8:40 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @milehighfool Thanks for the Alltop rec. I’m planning on being at #editorchat. Finishing up a blog post so I can be there. -8:25 PM Feb 11th, 2009

aeropolowoman @joanna_haugen #editorchat In the days of the pony express I’d quit it at 6 months. Now 90 days. -8:16 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @jennipps Alltop is like an RSS substitute. Worth using, I think. Joining for #editorchat? Tonite, 9-11 pm EST. -8:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Book authors, please consider joining #editorchat, it is not just for journalists and newspaper editors πŸ˜‰ 9pm EST Tonight. -8:12 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MacDivaONA @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for the heads up on tonight’s #editorchat. I’ll try to join for a bit. -8:08 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer RT @milehighfool Wk 2 of #editorchat — writers and eds. connecting on Twitter — is tonite at 9 pm EST: http://is.gd/jdzo -8:08 PM Feb 11th, 2009

IrisJumbe RT @milehighfool RT @LydiaBreakfast: #editorchat TONIGHT 9pm. Be there if you’re a pro writer, author or editor. -8:01 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @MacDivaONA Thanks for the link, please join us for #editorchat tonight at 9pm EST -7:57 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JMegonigal Wish I could make it to #editorchat tonight, alas I’m thinking that IF I am still awake, I will be working on some research…. -7:53 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly What we will be discussing this evening from 9 to 11pm EST – http://sn.im/bpykf Welcome to Editorchat! #editorchat -7:46 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @Rafe Hi Rafe. Wk 2 of #editorchat — writers and eds. connecting on Twitter — is tonite at 9 pm EST: http://is.gd/jdzo Interested? -6:41 PM Feb 11th, 2009

joanna_haugen Fellow freelancers:How long do you wait to hear back re: query before sending to a new pub? Do you formally w/draw your request? #editorchat -5:56 PM Feb 11th, 2009

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February 12, 2009 at 3:56 am

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A Preview: What We’re Talking About on Editorchat Tonight 2/11

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In light of recent developments with Newsweek’s new business model and revelations about reporting in real time from the Public Editor onΒ NYT’s reporting about Caroline Kennedy’s bid for senate seat we have cooked up the following questions:

Given the changes that are occuring, do we value speed (the breaking story) more or differently that we used to?

Book authors, how important are timely topics to your agents/publishers? How fast can you knock out a book?

How is speed affecting newsgathering, specifically sourcing?

Is fact-checking up to the writer, or do you still useΒ fact-checkers?

How can writers and editors work together to provide content that people will actually pay for?Β 

How can we all better understand and target our audience?

Editors: would you opt for an automated newsfeed for hyper-local news (eg: Outside.In)?

Written by LydiaBreakfast

February 11, 2009 at 8:19 pm

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