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Transcript of #editorchat 3-25

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#editorchat was created to be an inclusive forum for writers and editors to get together and talk about how to work more effectively together.  In less than two months it has been a great success and continues to grow.  We had a terrific session on Wednesday, thanks to the appearance of John Byrne.  His tweets generated a interesting talk among the participants, many of whom joined in for the first time.  If you missed it, you can read about it here, and hopefully, you’ll chime in next week. 

NOTE:  The following transcript has been modified to remove comments from two spoilers users that did not add anything to the discussion except harassing commentary.  We are trying to run a productive and helpful forum.  Constructive criticism delivered in a respectful manner is welcomed.  But if anyone has a personal beef with a member of the media or a specific publication, the appropriate way to have those comments be heard is to contact the individual or organization directly.

[20:00:15] JOHNABYRNE: Welcome everyone. And thanks to LydiaBreakfast for inviting me to moderate #editorchat tonight. So what’s the best way to start?

[20:00:22] LydiaBreakfast: And we are live tweeps, welcome to another edition of editorchat #editorchat

[20:00:45] milehighfool: And we’re live. Please introduce yourselves and welcome @JOHNABYRNE. #editorch

[20:01:09] Willowbottom: Tonight on #editorchat, @JOHNABYRNE – do join! But if you won’t be, you may want to filter me out for the next little bit.

[20:01:23] jimmcbee: RT @milehighfool: Tweeps: Filter #editorchat for the next 1.5 hrs if you don’t want to hear my tweets about community content. #editorchat

[20:01:57] JOHNABYRNE: Thank you Lydia. #editorchat

[20:02:22] jennipps: Hi, all! Jen Nipps here, in south Oklahoma, fl writer specializing in writing/creativity, freelancing, & plus-size issues. #editorchat

[20:02:28] shirleybrady: Hi all – Shirley Brady here, work with John (BW.com community editor) – looking forward to this! #editorchat

[20:02:32] LydiaBreakfast: Everyone, please tell us who you are and what you do before we start the questions #editorchat

[20:02:32] JDEbberly: Welcome to Editorchat, John A Byrne. We’re honored and humbled by your presence. #editorchat

[20:02:50] milehighfool: @PDXsays All the details are ateditorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[20:02:55] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool I’m here. Freelance journalist in Iow-ay! #editorchat

[20:03:13] jennipps: @PDXsays Easiest way, IMO, is go to http://www.tweetchat.com and log in with your Twitter ID & password. Type “editorchat” in the box. #editorchat

[20:03:31] JOHNABYRNE: @JDEbberly Thanks! #editorchat

[20:03:39] jennipps: @JOHNABYRNE Thank you for coming & guest-moderating. #editorchat

[20:04:00] littlebrownpen: Welcome John! Hi everyone. Nichole Robertson, freelance writer and Copy Director for a German organic skin care brand. #editorchat

[20:04:12] tweditor: Hi! I’m back for a second week. I’m Charmaine Cooper Hussain, an freelance editor specializing in high-tech communications. #editorchat

[20:04:13] Willowbottom: Timberly Marek, proj. mgr by day, freelancer by night: corp. research, competitive analysis, social media &occasional creative #editorchat

[20:04:41] anndouglas: I’m Ann Douglas. Parenting blogger @torontostar + @yahoo canada + write pregnancy column @conceive etc. #editorchat

[20:04:45] marciamarcia: While I usually warn I’ll be doing #editorchat & therefore updating more than usual, instead 2nite I hope I can come up w/ even 1 wise quip.

[20:04:47] tweditor: Oh my goodness, “a” freelance editor, not “an.” What a way to make a first impression. #editorchat

[20:05:11] jimmcbee: Jim McBee, co-owner http://smartnewsnc.com freelance 2 publisher startup; ex-journo, current health policy writer. Hi! #editorchat

[20:05:29] Willowbottom: @tweditor wouldn’t editorial catch that, though? 😉 #editorchat

[20:06:07] TMFZahrim: Anders Bylund, Motley Fool — evening one and all #editorchat

[20:06:12] bakercom1: sorry everybody, cross-tweeted there. Participating in #editorchat too for a bit. excuse the frequent tweets/ #editorchat

[20:06:26] JDEbberly: J. D. Ebberly, I’m a blogger out of N VA who writes pieces on blogging and New Media #editorchat

[20:06:43] a2editor: Hello, editorchat. Made it on time this week. 🙂 #editorchat

[20:06:48] JOHNABYRNE: I’m happy to take questions but let me start the ball rolling with one from Editorchat’s blog. #editorchat

[20:06:49] tweditor: @Willowbottom, erm, I *am* editorial … 🙂 #editorchat

[20:07:21] WriteNowBiz: May I ask a stupid question? lol #editorchat

[20:07:28] rebeccalweber: This is usually too late for me (American writer living in South Africa) but I am dipping in for a few minutes #editorchat #editorchat

[20:07:47] JOHNABYRNE: “You often tweet about user-generated story ideas. How important are blogs and user comments in generating topics?” #editorchat

[20:08:13] WriteNowBiz: These messages are just to a group here not to all of our followers right? (some cross over) #editorchat

[20:08:16] miltoncontact: small publisher, editor and occasional business article writer – new & curious to event
#editorchat

[20:08:17] TMFZahrim: @milehighfool Sorry Tim, met my jerk quota for the night already 😉 #editorchat

[20:08:24] JOHNABYRNE: For us, this is all part of how journalism is changing from a product handed down by reporters to an audience. #editorchat

[20:08:46] Willowbottom: @WriteNowBiz if your followers haven’t filtered out #editorchat, they will see whatever you post except maybe not @ replies.

[20:09:00] JOHNABYRNE: To a process that embraces the user at every stage, from idea generation when you ask your readers for their best story ideas. #editorchat

[20:09:17] tweditor: @WriteNowBiz All of your followers will see tweets in this chat. Ask them to turn on http://www.twittersnooze.com if it bothers them. #editorchat

[20:09:20] JOHNABYRNE: To the middle where you tell your readership what you’re working on and ask them for suggestions on sourcing and other issues. #editorchat

[20:09:20] merylkevans: @JOHNABYRNE User-generated story ideas give you good insight into what interests the audience and build off of that. #editorchat

[20:09:28] jennipps: @WriteNowBiz Nope, they show up in your general tweet stream, too. #editorchat

[20:09:39] JOHNABYRNE: And at the end when the story becomes an intellectual fireplace around which the most meaningful conversations occur. #editorchat

[20:09:40] milehighfool: @WriteNowBiz How about we get the first question going? I’m sure we’ll have lots of time for other questions. #editorchat

[20:09:44] LydiaBreakfast: RT @JOHNABYRNE For us, this is all part of how journalism is changing from a product handed down by reporters to an audience. #editorchat

[20:10:09] JOHNABYRNE: Those discussions, involving readers and an editor or writer, are as valuable as the journalism that is produced. #editorchat

[20:10:23] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Reminds me of the permanent campaign. There’s no such thing as a static story anymore. #editorchat

[20:10:46] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE For us, this is all part of how journalism is changing from a product handed down by reporters to an audienc #editorchat

[20:10:48] littlebrownpen: User-generated content also drives traffic from the user’s blogs and websites. #editorchat

[20:11:10] JOHNABYRNE: 1) Search–which is transactional and undermines the relationships that media brands have with their audiences. #editorchat

[20:11:27] milehighfool: RT @JOHNABYRNE Those discussions, involving readers and an editor or writer, are as valuable as the journalism that is produced. #editorchat

[20:11:34] jennipps: RT @JOHNABYRNE Those discussions, involving readers and an editor or writer, are as valuable as the journalism that is produ #editorchat

[20:11:42] PDXsays: RT:@JOHNABYRNE At the end the story becomes an intellectual fireplace around which the most meaningful conversations occur. #editorchat

[20:11:46] littlebrownpen: RT @JOHNABYRNE Those discussions, involving readers and an editor or writer, are as valuable as the journalism that is produced. #editorchat

[20:11:50] JOHNABYRNE: 2) Behavioral targeting advertising–which undermines contextual advertising that has long supported journalism. #editorchat

[20:12:03] LifeofMichael: hello. Asst. ND at Sacramento TV station interested in #editorchat.

[20:12:32] JOHNABYRNE: Deeply engaging readers and converting them to partners is essential to induce loyalty and return visits. #editorchat

[20:12:54] bakercom1: uh,oh twitter search is acting screwy. #editorchat

[20:13:04] JOHNABYRNE: You’re right. There is no such thing as a static story anymore. Every story is alive and extended by virtue of this partnership. #editorchat

[20:13:29] jimmcbee: When http://blufftontoday.com reverse published online chatter in print, readers loved it, incl. those who didnt go online. #editorchat

[20:13:33] knitnrun: Melissa S. Technology consultant and technical writer. Working on grad school thesis. #editorchat First time here.

[20:13:44] littlebrownpen: And readers add valuable insight/debate and further the conversation. I’m as interested in comments as content. #editorchat

[20:13:50] rebeccalweber: @JOHNABYRNE Reading is never a passive act #editorchat #editorchat

[20:13:51] JOHNABYRNE: And encouraging reader ideas for stories does indeed give you smart insight into what your readers are keenly interested in. #editorchat

[20:13:53] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE No such thing as a static story anymore. Every story is alive and extended by virtue of this partnership. #editorchat

[20:13:58] sheigh: @JOHNABYRNE I don’t know. What if they arrived through organic search. What’s the real likelihood of inducing loyalty? #editorchat

[20:14:25] nealhannon: @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat Makes sense to me. If done correctly. Judgment is key. Highly engaged parties can bias results

[20:14:27] jennipps: RT @JOHNABYRNE Deeply engaging readers and converting them to partners is essential to induce loyalty and return visits. #editorchat

[20:14:34] JOHNABYRNE: My favorite example is from one of our senior writers Steve Baker who has a blog called blogspotting on our site. #editorchat

[20:14:35] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE What’s interesting, I think, is how the writer and editor manage this conversation together. Where’s the line? #editorchat

[20:14:59] miltoncontact: non-static stories a strength for blogs that can react to sitution – twitter at extremem end of this
#editorchat

[20:15:16] JOHNABYRNE: Early last year when he did a story on Twitter, Steve tweeted the topic sentences and asked tweeps to fill in the rest. #editorchat

[20:15:23] merylkevans: @jennipps That’s what Dallas Morning News is trying to do with Neighborsgo.com. Involve readers and the community. #editorchat

[20:15:33] Willowbottom: @knitnrun Welcome, Melissa S. 🙂 #editorchat

[20:15:43] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE I can second this. We do it all the time at the Fool. There are more than 100,000 investors pitching stocks in CAPS. #editorchat

[20:15:44] JOHNABYRNE: It created terrific engagement among readers, seeded an audience for the story, and was truly innovative. #editorchat

[20:15:57] AlbertMaruggi: Baker class act ahead of the pack of New Breed journalist with old school cred. #editorchat

[20:16:27] jennipps: @JOHNABYRNE That’s an interesting way to do it. 🙂 I’ve used Twitter for sources, but so far that’s been the extent of it. #editorchat

[20:16:32] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE And every pitch is a potential story idea. BW does this extremely well, too.
#editorchat

[20:16:41] anndouglas: Story generation loop: Reporting on new study -> add my commentary -> ask for reader feedback -> generate new research/stories. #editorchat

[20:16:43] JOHNABYRNE: Editors and writers need to understand how to create and build communities and then how to serve them. That’s part of the job. #editorchat

[20:17:04] LydiaBreakfast: @JOHNABYRNE What is the editor’s role in such organic growth #editorchat

[20:17:05] JOHNABYRNE: I also think the single biggest misconception about digital journalism is that it means multi-media. #editorchat

[20:17:15] milehighfool: RT @JOHNABYRNE Early last year when he did a story on Twitter, Steve tweeted the topic sentences and asked tweeps to fill in.
#editorchat

[20:17:14] chopapi: RT @shirleybrady: Reminder: @JOHNABYRNE of BusinessWeek guest hosting #editorchat tonight, 8-9:30 pm EDT. Join in! http://twurl.nl/spbpl3

[20:17:21] PDXsays: on #editorchat… BusinessWeeks @johnabyrne leading discussion (@michellerafter)

[20:17:37] shirleybrady: If you want to check out BW’s Blogspotting blog by Twitter vets @stevebaker & @heatherlgreen visit http://is.gd/baHg #editorchat

[20:17:37] JOHNABYRNE: What digital journalism really does is allow journalists to have a different and transformed relationship with readers. #editorchat

[20:17:38] anti9to5guide: Just joining. Michelle Goodman, career columnist, ABC News. Looks like great chat already
#editorchat

[20:17:41] milehighfool: RT @JOHNABYRNE Editors and writers need to understand how to create and build communities and then how to serve them. #editorchat

[20:17:46] miltoncontact: still a lot of inertia in general public to taking up opportunities – often dominated by communiction or tech relted businesses #editorchat

[20:17:51] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Isn’t there a fine line between engaging readers and getting copy/info/ideas for free? #editorchat

[20:18:20] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE Editors and writers need to understand how to create and build communities and then how to serve them #editorchat

[20:18:30] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE I also think the single biggest misconception about digital journalism is that it means multi-media. #editorchat

[20:18:37] JOHNABYRNE: Another great example from Baker was his cover story last year: “Social Media Will Change Your Business.” #editorchat

[20:18:39] mariaschneider: Problem is, once an editor/journalist can build and serve a community, what’s the need for mainstream publications? #editorchat

[20:19:08] miltoncontact: surely the problem is not how you get new ideas but what you do with them? #editorchat

[20:19:07] soultravelers3: RT @JOHNABYRNE Deeply engaging readers and converting them to partners is essential to induce loyalty and return visits. #editorchat

[20:19:11] chrisbechtel: RT @JOHNABYRNE What digital journalism does is allow journalists to have a different and transformed relationship with readers. #editorchat

[20:19:20] JOHNABYRNE: It was the most successful story of the year for us, generating the most traffic and comments–well over 4,000. #editorchat

[20:19:20] milehighfool: RT @BeckyDMBR @JOHNABYRNE Isn’t there a fine line between engaging readers and getting copy/info/ideas for free? #editorchat

[20:19:27] jimmcbee: @mariaschneider that community IS the publication.
#editorchat

[20:19:36] shirleybrady: @AlbertMaruggi Hi Albert – agree with you re @stevebaker – he was a pioneer here. #editorchat

[20:20:01] JOHNABYRNE: It was actually an update from a cover he did more than three years earlier on blogging. #editorchat

[20:20:04] miltoncontact: mainstream publications do have role as peer review or opportunities for collating material #editorchat

[20:20:04] anthonym2121: @tweditor talk about my tweets please #editorchat

[20:20:08] JDEbberly: RT @jimmcbee: @mariaschneider that community IS the publication. #editorchat

[20:20:09] phj_pdx: @TheSquare @StephStricklen If you weren’t so busy already you should be following #editorchat moderated by @JohnAByrne of BusWeek

[20:20:11] TMFZahrim: @JOHNABYRNE “Social Media Will Change Your Business.” — Yes, but most businesses struggle to understand how #editorchat

[20:20:16] JOHNABYRNE: Steve used his own blog to ask readers how things had changed since that last cover. #editorchat

[20:20:19] AlbertMaruggi: @JOHNABYRNE I have a classic story about @stephenbaker “Social Media Will Change Your Business” piece,,,
#editorchat

[20:20:28] MacDivaONA: @johnabyrne is leading tonight’s #editorchat, which should mean it’s a good session. Full disclosure, I’m a fan of his tweets.

[20:20:40] mobienthusiast: Editors, for local news on your site (not print) we need updates even w/o full story (San Diego fires, water main break) #editorchat

[20:20:40] JOHNABYRNE: Their feedback was played via hyperlinks in the old story as he began reporting his new piece on social media. #editorchat

[20:20:42] phj_pdx: e.g. RT:@JOHNABYRNE At the end the story becomes an intellectual fireplace around which the most meaningful conversations occur. #editorchat

[20:20:59] JDEbberly: RT @MacDivaONA: @johnabyrne is leading tonight’s #editorchat, which should mean it’s a good session. Full disclosure, I’m a fan of his t …

[20:20:59] Willowbottom: @mariaschneider Wouldn’t those editors/journalists still need to come together as a respected community to serve? #editorchat

[20:20:59] jennipps: RT @miltoncontact mainstream publications do have role as peer review or opportunities for collating material #editorchat

[20:21:11] BeckyDMBR: @Willowbottom I’m not talking about unformulated ideas. For ex. local newspaper wants “intensely local” news one day a week. #editorchat

[20:21:14] TMFZahrim: Social media doesn’t come easy to stodgy old behemoths like IBM, GE, even Disney under Iger #editorchat

[20:21:28] JOHNABYRNE: The result: all that interaction was used to inform the reporting of the story and we ended up w a cover that really resonated. #editorchat

[20:21:32] SpecialDee: What’s the most comprehensive tool for building a community? #editorchat

[20:21:39] mikepilarz: There’s a fascinating conversation going on over at #editorchat. Really great insight from BW’s @JOHNABYRNE, who is moderating, and others.

[20:21:41] joshchandler: RT @TMFZahrim: Social media doesn’t come easy to stodgy old behemoths like IBM, GE, even Disney under Iger #editorchat

[20:22:09] BeckyDMBR: @Willowbottom Paper “wants your photos, your stories” … etc., etc. But does paper pay? No. #editorchat

[20:22:25] JDEbberly: RT @mikepilarz: There’s a fascinating conversation going on over at #editorchat. Really great insight from BW’s @JOHNABYRNE, who is mode …

[20:22:32] jimmcbee: @TMFZahrim Nor to publishers and exec eds … try reaching them thru twitter, fb, linkedin. Ugh. #editorchat

[20:23:03] miltoncontact: most comprehensive tool for building a community is not technology itself but proactive key individuals #editorchat

[20:23:07] mobienthusiast: I mention this since not one #sandiego media person tweeted about broken water main on Monday, missed opportunity #editorchat

[20:23:09] shirleybrady: Here’s “Social Media Will Change Your Business” by Steve Baker & Heather Green – http://is.gd/40kp #editorchat

[20:23:17] littlebrownpen: Community was a big strategy during the dot-com boom. It was later abandoned as “silly.” What a difference a decade makes. #editorchat

[20:23:26] JOHNABYRNE: It’s really not about getting free content as much as it is about having respect for your audience that u want them as partners. #editorchat

[20:23:39] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR True enough. There has to be value to participating in the community to make it work. CAPS = stock ideas. #editorchat

[20:23:39] jennipps: RT @miltoncontact most comprehensive tool for building a community is not technology itself but proactive key individuals #editorchat

[20:23:55] JOHNABYRNE: Most journalists get their respect and their reinforcement from colleagues–not the people who consume their writing. #editorchat

[20:23:56] JDEbberly: RT @miltoncontact: most comprehensive tool for building a community is not technology itself but proactive key individuals #editorchat

[20:24:04] bob_bobala: @mobienthusiast Good point! Also here in San Diego… Joining late. #editorchat

[20:24:08] SpecialDee: #editorchat I’ve been looking at the “Conversation Prism” and that’s ALOT of community bldg tools http://bit.ly/jHPEA

[20:24:23] mobienthusiast: @JOHNABYRNE I admire that you are on twitter and join the conversation. So many media people just tweet stories, don’t converse #editorchat

[20:24:33] marialavis: Business Week Ed in chief, @JOHNABYRNE , is on tweet roll right now about digital journalism etc. #editorchat Interesting.

[20:24:43] Hjulcompaniet: I wonder how many hits this #editorchat will generate for businessweek. Interesting stream from the editor in chief.

[20:24:46] JOHNABYRNE: We need to understand the people we’re writing for and open up the process of journalism to improve our ability to serve them. #editorchat

[20:25:02] mariaschneider: I’m using a WordPress blog/ VBulletin software to build a community. I’ve been on on Ning networks and find it lacking a center. #editorchat

[20:25:03] marcusborba: Following #editorchat with @JOHNABYRNE

[20:25:06] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Yeah, but I think we have to be careful. When “mining the gold,” sometimes we have to be willing to pay for gold. #editorchat

[20:25:06] littlebrownpen: @JOHNABYRNE Agree. Genuine conversations and debate are the antidote to lazy minds. We’re all better for it. #editorchat

[20:25:09] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE Most journalists get their respect and reinforcement frm colleagues–not the people who consume their writing. #editorchat

[20:25:15] marciamarcia: Most journalists get their respect & reinforcement from colleagues–not the people who consume their writing. RT @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat

[20:25:38] jimmcbee: rt @JOHNABYRNE Most journalists get their respect, reinforcement from colleagues–not the people who consume their writing #editorchat

[20:25:38] TMFZahrim: RT @JOHNABYRNE: journalists get respect and reinforcement from colleagues–not the people who consume their writing #editorchat

[20:25:38] JOHNABYRNE: User engagement has become a buzz phrase of sorts. But few are really walking the talk. #editorchat

[20:25:57] shirleybrady: @SpecialDee I’ll have to check that out, looks interesting! #editorchat

[20:26:07] jennipps: RT @littlebrownpen @JOHNABYRNE Agree. Genuine conversations and debate are the antidote to lazy minds. We’re all better for it. #editorchat

[20:26:13] soultravelers3: RT @JOHNABYRNE What digital journalism does is allow journalists to have a different and transformed relationship with readers. #editorchat

[20:26:16] konadad: @JOHNABYRNE Do you consider the BW.com audience the same — or separate — from the print audience? #editorchat

[20:26:25] knitnrun: Audience as partners concept is not well-executed by many online media sites, still seeking to ‘serve’ (aka push) content. #editorchat

[20:26:29] mobienthusiast: @bob_bobala thanks. It was missed opportunity for #sandiego media to build trust. I got info re: fires from lifeguards not media #editorchat

[20:26:30] JOHNABYRNE: I think journalists aren’t creating enough gold–which I define as original, unique stories that really add value. #editorchat

[20:26:38] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE User engagement has become a buzz phrase of sorts. But few are really walking the talk. #editorchat

[20:26:42] rockstarjen: We need 2 understand people we’re writing 4 & open up process of journalism to improve ability 2 serve them. #editorchat (via @JOHNABYRNE)

[20:26:53] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE So where’s the line in user engagement? When does a user become a source and what’s the editor’s role in deciding? #editorchat

[20:26:57] karenhodkinson: Following #editorchat with @JOHNABYRNE. Fascinating stuff.

[20:27:03] JOHNABYRNE: You can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. How many Bernie Madoff pleads guilty stories can anyone read. #editorchat

[20:27:06] knitnrun: Twitter is a great example of where we are all building networks of partners and engaging in publishing content. #editorchat

[20:27:11] anndouglas: What media organizations are doing a really good job of engaging users, in your opinion? #editorchat

[20:27:11] tweditor: Still, engaging social media networks is just one more thing pub execs ask of journalists. Report! Blog! Film! Podcast! Tweet! #editorchat

[20:27:17] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE I’m not just talking about papers or “traditional” media. Many sites post blogger content for free. #editorchat

[20:27:26] jennipps: RT @JOHNABYRNE I think journalists aren’t creating enough gold–which I define as original, unique stories that really add value #editorchat

[20:27:38] JDEbberly: RT @knitnrun: Twitter is a great example of where we are all building networks of partners and engaging in publishing content. #editorchat

[20:27:45] bob_bobala: @mobienthusiast yeah, i wouldn’t have even known about it if some people in my office weren’t affected. #editorchat

[20:28:10] DougH: RT @JOHNABYRNE: I think journalists aren’t creating enough gold-which I define as original unique stories that really add value #editorchat

[20:28:13] milehighfool: Let me take that broader. How do the editors here decide to leverage community? Do you use them as sources? #editorchat

[20:28:16] lisasepiphany: RT @shirleybrady: Here’s “Social Media Will Change Your Business” by Steve Baker & Heather Green – http://is.gd/40kp #editorchat… perfect.

[20:28:17] ksablan: @JOHNABYRNE doing a great job moderating #editorchat. tweets read like article on user engagement.

[20:28:21] JanSimpson: @JOHNABYR do you consider yourself a liberal journalist? #editorchat

[20:28:23] JOHNABYRNE: There’s overlap in our print and online readers but generally our online users are 10 years younger and more highly educated. #editorchat

[20:28:27] jennipps: @JOHNABYRNE For that matter, IMO, how many do people really *want* to read? (And if many, I have to wonder why.) #editorchat

[20:28:30] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE Journalists aren’t creating enough gold–which I define as original, unique stories that really add value. #editorchat

[20:28:31] LydiaBreakfast: How closely are editors monitoring writers’ sources for this type of “gold?”
#editorchat

[20:28:40] DougH: Stumbled on #editorchat w/ @johnabyrne. whoa. Who else is taking part?

[20:28:52] JOHNABYRNE: Online readers also earn more than print readers and are more likely to be female. #editorchat

[20:28:53] BaileyMcC: RT@JOHNABYRNE:U can’t expect 2b paid for commoditized journalism. How many Bernie Madoff pleads guilty stories can anyone read. #editorchat

[20:28:58] SpecialDee: @shirleybrady I like the graphic; try it in list form and each section doesn’t seem as connected #editorchat

[20:29:13] anndouglas: RT: @JOHNABYRNE Journalists aren’t creating enough gold–which I define as original, unique stories that really add value. #editorchat

[20:29:12] mrinaldesai: @JOHNABYRNE interesting conundrum – do u write 4 what people want to read, is hot or do you tell the stories that should b told? #editorchat

[20:29:15] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE And those sites get the reputation (incorrectly) as great bastions of “citizen journalism” or even journalism. #editorchat

[20:29:16] milehighfool: RT @JOHNABYRNE You can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. #editorchat

[20:29:27] JDEbberly: @DougH Just jump on in, Doug! This is an informative discussion! #editorchat

[20:29:32] knitnrun: I think @lydiabreakfast brings up a good point. Sources are increasingly anonymous, and may be simply created in people’s minds. #editorchat

[20:29:32] JOHNABYRNE: Of our total audience, about 38% are online only; 31% magazine only & 31% are both online and print. #editorchat

[20:29:50] LydiaBreakfast: Online readers also earn more than print readers and are more likely to be female. Is anyone else seeing this? #editorchat

[20:29:51] JDEbberly: RT @ksablan: @JOHNABYRNE doing a great job moderating #editorchat. tweets read like article on user engagement.

[20:29:52] BaileyMcC: RT@JOHNABYRNE: I think journalists aren’t creating enough gold-which I define as original, unique stories that really add value. #editorchat

[20:29:57] AlbertMaruggi: @DougH that’s an interesting question who else is taking part, I guest everyone, and anyone, right, that’s the point? 🙂 #editorchat

[20:30:10] JOHNABYRNE: Editors are constantly screening ideas and stories to get more gold but it’s an imperfect process. #editorchat

[20:30:12] rebeccalweber: Letters to the editor has always been my favorite section of every magazine. #editorchat

[20:30:16] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE …print and online readers overlap, but generally our online users are 10 years younger, more highly educated. #editorchat

[20:30:33] miltoncontact: @mrinaldesai write the stories that should be told in an interesting way to draw readers in #editorchat

[20:30:35] fromartz: interesting chat w/biz week’s John Byrne at #editorchat

[20:30:47] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Yes #editorchat

[20:30:55] JOHNABYRNE: That’s another reason engagement is key. The closer you get to your audience the more likely you are to make better judgments. #editorchat

[20:31:05] jennipps: RT @LydiaBreakfast Online readers also earn more than print readers and are more likely to be female. Is anyone else seeing this #editorchat

[20:31:07] rebeccalweber: @JOHNABYRNE What are the demographics of those who leave comments? #editorchat

[20:31:08] mobienthusiast: @JOHNABYRNE I also enjoy reading via mobile, and http://businessweek.mobi fits the bill #editorchat #mobi

[20:31:15] LifeofMichael: @knitnrun gosh i hope we haven’t all slipped to the point of “imagining” source material #editorchat

[20:31:18] jennipps: RT @JOHNABYRNE Editors are constantly screening ideas and stories to get more gold but it’s an imperfect process. #editorchat

[20:31:21] littlebrownpen: @JOHNABYRNE Commoditized journalism fueled Madoff and friend’s fires. No investigation? Go for it. We need investigative journs #editorchat

[20:31:22] knitnrun: @JOHNABYRNE How many BusinessWeek writers, editors, etc. are on Twitter? Does the org have a formal policy on usage? #editorchat

[20:31:23] Hjulcompaniet: #editorchat scripted vs unscripted.

[20:31:30] PDXsays: And here’s the gold! RT: (BusinessWeek Editor) @JOHNABYRNE Online readers earn more than print readers and more likely female. #editorchat

[20:31:39] JOHNABYRNE: @rebeccalweber The beauty of online is that there is no limit to the voices or people who can participate in “letters.” #editorchat

[20:31:48] sfwriter: @johnabyrne re: commodity journalism, did you see Murdoch’s new memo to WSJ reporters? http://is.gd/oVuP #editorchat

[20:31:48] anndouglas: Excellent point! RT @BeckyDMBR When “mining the gold,” sometimes we have to be willing to pay for gold. #editorchat

[20:32:03] marciamarcia: I’d widen @JOHNABYRNE (BusinessWeek) def of “gold” to all of social media: original, unique stories that really add value. #editorchat

[20:32:19] knitnrun: @LifeofMichael Well… you never know what creepy crawlies are lurking behind some crazy profile 🙂 #editorchat

[20:32:38] AlbertMaruggi: I’m concerned JOhn that you say closer to your readers,eg. Fox is real close to its viewers MSNBC theirs,but is that journalism? #editorchat

[20:32:58] miltoncontact: @JOHNABYRNE devils advocate – need some distance from readers for an objective or alternative view?
#editorchat

[20:33:10] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE IMO, a site that “mines gold” w/out paying for it on same level as journo putting byline on press-release info. #editorchat

[20:33:09] PDXsays: @marciamarcia talking about whence from whose pockets the money comes from in readership… #editorchat

[20:33:23] PromoMarketer: Some really good tweets by @JOHNABYRNE on #editorchat tonite.

[20:33:25] konadad: @JOHNABYRNE How much are you influenced by reader feedback? #editorchat

[20:33:33] mobienthusiast: Business Week Editor-in-Chief @JOHNABYRNE is now moderating discussion about journalism & social media #editorchat

[20:33:40] JOHNABYRNE: We now have nearly 30 blogs, over 40 editors and writers who tweet, 4,400 videos on the site, a dozen podcasts. #editorchat

[20:33:48] rebeccalweber: @JOHNABYRNE Exactly! Except that the editors usually do a good job of editing the letters… #editorchat

[20:33:52] JDEbberly: RT @mobienthusiast: Business Week Editor-in-Chief @JOHNABYRNE is now moderating discussion about journalism & social media #editorchat

[20:33:57] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR I think they call that “churnalism” 😉 #editorchat

[20:34:04] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: We now have nearly 30 blogs, over 40 editors and writers who tweet, 4,400 videos on the site, a dozen podcasts. #editorchat

[20:34:11] JOHNABYRNE: And we’re employing everything from Ning to Facebook, Flickr and YouTube to engage and interact with readers. #editorchat

[20:34:17] bob_bobala: @PDXsays I think it depends on subject matter. When I was at Motley Fool, our investor audience was older than we anticipated #editorchat

[20:34:37] TMFZahrim: @JOHNABYRNE 30 blogs 40 tweeps etc, yes — but is there a policy or did it just happen? #editorchat

[20:34:38] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: And we’re employing everything from Ning to Facebook, Flickr and YouTube to engage and interact with readers. #editorchat

[20:34:58] mathewi: RT @JOHNABYRNE: You can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. How many Bernie Madoff stories can anyone read #editorchat

[20:34:58] SpecialDee: Are online readers getting their news via feeds? even their local news? #editorchat

[20:35:10] JOHNABYRNE: We don’t have a formal policy on Twitter and some writers prefer to keep their accounts private and personal. #editorchat

[20:35:16] shirleybrady: Just counted: we now have 47 BW edit folks on Twitter – here’s the list: http://is.gd/bnNs #editorchat

[20:35:20] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Ah, thank you. I knew there was a word for it. 🙂 #editorchat

[20:35:23] milehighfool: @bob_bobala They still are. But the community is wide-ranging. Therein lies the difficulty. Which community sources do you trust #editorchat

[20:35:25] vegtv: @DougH Too many bloggers Anyone with a website can gush whatever is on their mind. Some Vgood but Journaling is not Journalism #editorchat

[20:35:35] mobienthusiast: Retweet @ JOHNABYRNE: we’re employing everything from Ning to Facebook, Flickr & YouTube to engage and interact with readers. #editorchat

[20:35:41] JDEbberly: RT @shirleybrady: Just counted: we now have 47 BW edit folks on Twitter – here’s the list: http://is.gd/bnNs #editorchat

[20:35:53] merylkevans: @SpecialDee Online readers get news many ways: RSS, email, aggregator sites (ie Digg), and known media sites. #editorchat

[20:35:54] marciamarcia: We’re employing everything from Ning to FB, Flickr & YouTube to engage and interact with readers. via @JOHNABYRNE (40+ tweet) #editorchat

[20:36:27] mobienthusiast: Retweet shirleybrady: Just counted: we now have 47 BW edit folks on Twitter – here’s the list: http://is.gd/bnNs #editorchat

[20:36:29] vojtech: RT @JOHNABYRNE Online readers also earn more than print readers and are more likely to be female. #editorchat

[20:36:32] JOHNABYRNE: I’m greatly influenced by reader feedback. We’ve corrected stories on it. And we’ve done many stories based on reader ideas. #editorchat

[20:36:42] SpecialDee: On your site, can visitors leave comments by “signing in” with just a screen name or do they have to register? #editorchat

[20:36:56] AlbertMaruggi: @johnabyrne I’d like to share my two favorite journalism sites http://www.frontlineclub.com/ and http://www.nextnewsroom.com/ #editorchat

[20:37:07] JDEbberly: RT @vojtech: RT @JOHNABYRNE Online readers also earn more than print readers and are more likely to be female. #editorchat

[20:37:06] PDXsays: @JOHNABYRNE had u reviewed policies – such as Intel and Dell have – to make that decision about accounts? #editorchat

[20:37:10] knitnrun: @shirleybrady thanks for the list of BW folks on Twitter. #editorchat

[20:37:12] RandomReTweet: RT @JDEbberly RT @vojtech: RT @JOHNABYRNE Online readers also earn more than print readers and are more likely to be female. #editorchat

[20:37:17] konadad: @JOHNABYRNE If I’m not mistaken, the NYTimes has a formal policy on the use of social networking sites by their editors. #editorchat

[20:37:18] shirleybrady: Can’t forget our colleagues at @BWBX + BW tech folks and other non-edit here, too. All on for different reasons – not mandated! #editorchat

[20:37:18] shortformblog: Hey all. Ernie Smith, news designer, Wash. Post’s Express; editor, http://shortformblog.com/. @jimmcbee is a buddy of mine. #editorchat

[20:37:41] bob_bobala: @JOHNABYRNE Heck, at the Fool we hired people right out of the community (see Tim Beyers) #editorchat

[20:37:48] tweditor: @JOHNABYRNE You are in an enviable position to receive feedback. Many trade pubs, smaller pubs, receive little (from prison). 🙂 #editorchat

[20:37:58] Willowbottom: @JOHNABYRNE Realizing that you’re greatly influenced by reader feedback/story ideas, how do you ensure ur mission is consistent? #editorchat

[20:38:09] JOHNABYRNE: If we’re quoting from a Tweet stream, our policy is to ask the user if we can do so–particularly if it’s a non-public person. #editorchat

[20:38:34] JOHNABYRNE: Online only stories are usually shorter and more to the point. But that’s not always true. #editorchat

[20:38:37] LydiaBreakfast: A reminder tweeps. Stay on topic and BE POLITE. #editorchat

[20:38:40] AlbertMaruggi: @johnabyrne can you share criteria for determining which stories are video, audio podcast or blog candidates? #editorchat

[20:38:45] mariaschneider: Would you ever quote from social media if you couldn’t confirm the source? #editorchat

[20:38:54] TMFZahrim: RT @bob_bobala: Heck, at the Fool we hired people right out of the community (I’m another example) #editorchat

[20:39:03] jennipps: RT @JOHNABYRNE Online only stories are usually shorter and more to the point. But that’s not always true. #editorchat

[20:39:08] SpecialDee: Also, do visitors have to fill in a form if they want to connect w/staff or does an email form open up? #editorchat

[20:39:10] AlbertMaruggi: @Willowbottom great question on mission, had same thoughts

[20:39:43] JOHNABYRNE: Most magazine writers tackle a topic in one story and walk away from it for space reasons. #editorchat

[20:39:44] shirleybrady: @AlbertMaruggi Must check those out (thx) #editorchat

[20:39:48] mobienthusiast: Journalists, which one of your publications has a mobile site with .mobi extension? I’m making a directory #editorchat #mobi

[20:39:57] rebeccalweber: @mariaschneider Wouldn’t want to quote *anybody if you couldn’t confirm the source #editorchat

[20:39:57] bob_bobala: @TMFZahrim Hi, Anders! #editorchat

[20:40:09] JOHNABYRNE: Online, you can keep coming back as if you were writing for a daily newspaper. And you can do more series reporting online. #editorchat

[20:40:31] milehighfool: So if community is the watchword, isn’t all news about to become news analysis? Capturing the zeitgeist? #editorchat

[20:40:37] foleymo: Who’s moderating? What’s the question? #editorchat

[20:40:39] chadrem: @JOHNABYRNE and then there’s fivethirtyeight.com 😉 #editorchat

[20:40:39] AlbertMaruggi: @shirleybrady frontline is Indie journalists in war torn countries and oppressed areas. How they do it is amazing. #editorchat

[20:40:57] merylkevans: @JOHNABYRNE Online makes it possible to reference things though links instead of explaining them every time. #editorchat

[20:41:00] wardchristianj: @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat That is an interesting policy on the quoting of Tweet. It is very hard to know who is whom…

[20:41:13] milehighfool: RT @JOHNABYRNE Online, you can keep coming back as if you were writing for a daily newspaper. And you can do more series. #editorchat

[20:41:15] JOHNABYRNE: Good question on what becomes a story, a video, a slideshow, a podcast, a narrated photo essay, etc. #editorchat

[20:41:28] marciamarcia: So if community is the watchword, isn’t all news about to become news analysis? Capturing the zeitgeist? via @milehighfool #editorchat

[20:41:30] GinaLaGuardia: @milehighfool Hey — sneaking in late tonight. Can’t wait to catch up/jump in. : #editorchat

[20:41:36] JOHNABYRNE: We have an interesting video strategy. Most sites silo off their video into some sort of ghetto. #editorchat

[20:41:38] wolfemanmatt: @JOHNABYRNE In addition to coming back to topics, the ability to share past coverage is something that’s impossible in print. #editorchat

[20:41:44] jennipps: RT @merylkevans @JOHNABYRNE Online makes it possible to reference things though links instead of explaining them every time. #editorchat

[20:41:49] AlbertMaruggi: @shirleybrady Next Newsroom is Duke U, project led by Mercury News Biz writer Chris O’brien -6 principles of new newsroom. #editorchat

[20:42:08] JOHNABYRNE: I think they use the computer screen like a 1950s TV set by siloing off video clips. #editorchat

[20:42:11] jimmcbee: @milehighfool Community’s critical, but someone must ask the tough questions. Officially or otherwise. Or wait for Jon Stewart. #editorchat

[20:42:21] LydiaBreakfast: @GinaLaGuardia Hi Gina, so glad you could make it 🙂 #editorchat

[20:42:25] DougH: RT @JOHNABYRNE: If we’re quoting from a Tweet stream, our policy is to ask if we can do so-partic if it’s a non-public person. #editorchat

[20:42:28] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE Online makes it possible to reference things though links instead of explaining them every time. #editorchat

[20:42:35] JOHNABYRNE: We’re trying to integrate video with text, placing complementary videos inside stories to change the user experience. #editorchat

[20:42:41] knitnrun: @JOHNABYRNE Interested in risk to BW brand if someone becomes disgruntled and is affiliated with BW. No policy, what do you do? #editorchat

[20:42:55] GinaLaGuardia: @LydiaBreakfast Hey Lydia. Happy to be here. Thanks! #editorchat

[20:42:59] dmac1: For biz journalists, being on Twitter is not only about being where the reader is, it’s often where the source is #editorchat

[20:43:06] rogeroldham: RT @JOHNABYRNE: U can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. How many Madoff pleads guilty stories can anyone read #editorchat

[20:43:21] marciamarcia: @wolfemanmatt Weaving the thread through pieces over time adds in a wonderful new dimension and richness to stories. #editorchat

[20:43:30] JOHNABYRNE: If you put the video in your most highly trafficked stories and you make sure it’s not redundant, you integrate it all. #editorchat

[20:43:39] milehighfool: A tip for tweeps using TweetDeck or another client. You can also filter @colorsign if you prefer. #editorchat

[20:43:42] littlebrownpen: @jimmcbee A lot of the tough questions come from the community. The community holds you accountable to an extent. #editorchat

[20:43:54] ATLCheap: Jennifer Maciejewski, Atlanta-based writer & blogger. Interesting discussion so far; look forward to catching up & jumping in. #editorchat

[20:44:02] wolfemanmatt: RT @JOHNABYRNE We’re trying to integrate video with text, placing complementary videos inside stories to change user experience. #editorchat

[20:44:10] JOHNABYRNE: We’ve been able to quadruple the monthly video streams with this new strategy with no increase in resources & fewer videos. #editorchat

[20:44:14] jennipps: @milehighfool Just found that feature in Tweetchat too under User Control. #editorchat

[20:44:18] shirleybrady: @AlbertMaruggi Thanks for flagging, Albert! #editorchat

[20:44:38] GinaLaGuardia: @ATLCheap Hey — are you the Jennifer I know? 🙂 #editorchat

[20:44:39] rebeccalweber: Off to bed. Hope a future session can be a few hours earlier, engage us folks east of the Atlantic! #editorchat

[20:44:45] dodgemedlin: San Diego U-T asst. news editor here, leaping onto the moving train that is #editorchat. #editorchat

[20:44:48] MikeLizun: RT @dmac1: For biz journalists, being on Twitter is not only about being where the reader is, it’s often where the source is #editorchat

[20:45:21] JOHNABYRNE: I think it’s premature to write the obituary for the American newspaper. In both Denver and Seattle….#editorchat

[20:45:26] LydiaBreakfast: @rebeccalweber Glad you made it for part of the chat – thanks! #editorchat

[20:45:33] jimmcbee: @littlebrownpen We need to get good at harnessing communities tough questions, instead of fearing them. #editorchat

[20:45:39] ekarofsky: Great tweets by @JOHNABYRNE at #editorchat

[20:45:42] anndouglas: RT @dmac1 For biz journalists, being on Twitter is not only about being where the reader is, it’s often where the source is #editorchat

[20:45:53] konadad: @JOHNABYRNE Curious. Which gets more BW.com traffic: a story, a video, a slideshow, a podcast, a narrated photo essay? #editorchat

[20:45:54] fromartz: @johnabyrne do videos get more traffic than stories #editorchat

[20:45:59] JOHNABYRNE: We had victims of what Warren Buffett called “The Survival of the Fattest.” #editorchat

[20:46:00] GinaLaGuardia: Hi, #editorchat, @JOHNABYRNE… Former magazine EIC, online editorial director here — doing my best to catch up. 🙂

[20:46:03] milehighfool: @rebeccalweber Thanks for joining. Say hi to my friends in Jo’burg and on the Cape. #editorchat

[20:46:21] JOHNABYRNE: Denver & Seattle were two-newspaper towns and the fattest ones won the war. #editorchat

[20:46:25] PDXsays: HUZZAH! RT: @JOHNABYRNE I think it’s premature to write the obituary for the American newspaper. In both Denver and Seattle….#editorchat

[20:46:31] BaileyMcC: RT @dmac1 For biz journalists, being on Twitter is not only about being where the reader is, it’s often where the source is #editorchat

[20:46:32] shortformblog: @johnabyrne I agree. Newspapers aren’t dead yet – though the massive debt their companies are under isn’t helping. #editorchat

[20:46:42] KamaTimbrell: Note authors. Read. RT @JOHNABYRNE: Most magazine writers tackle a topic in one story and walk away from it for space reasons. #editorchat

[20:46:48] JOHNABYRNE: That said, we’re going into a very painful and difficult transition that will see a lot of newspapers go out of business. #editorchat

[20:46:54] mobienthusiast: @dodgemedlin is San Diego U-T asst. news editor, thanks for joining #editorchat #sandiego

[20:46:55] anti9to5guide: Thx for the great insights. Going to jump of and catch a slice of rare Seattle sunshine. Michelle Goodman, freelance writer #editorchat

[20:47:01] JOHNABYRNE: Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[20:47:09] shirleybrady: @rebeccalweber Any questions/topics you’d like addressed? Transcript will be posted here later: http://is.gd/jdzo #editorchat

[20:47:16] GinaLaGuardia: RT @JOHNABYRNE: …engagement is key. The closer you get to your audience, the more likely you are to make better judgments. #editorchat

[20:47:30] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Thanks for stopping in, Michelle. #editorchat

[20:47:36] JDEbberly: RT @rebeccalweber Any questions/topics you’d like addressed? Transcript will be posted here later: http://is.gd/jdzo #editorchat

[20:47:37] LydiaBreakfast: @anti9to5guide Thanks for coming Michelle 🙂 #editorchat

[20:47:38] ESedlockGrammer: RT @JOHNABYRNE Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[20:47:38] JOHNABYRNE: But newspapers and magazines that deliver unique value will make it. They just have to change–dramatically. #editorchat

[20:47:58] janeco: hi everyone, another time conflict, what’d I miss? #editorchat

[20:48:01] MikeLizun: RT @konadad: @JOHNABYRNE Curious. Which gets more BW.com traffic: story, video, slideshow, podcast, a narrated photo essay? #editorchat

[20:48:04] colorsign: @JOHNABYRNE And what was so bad about was that it didn’t have to happen. But you quit advocating for your readers. #editorchat

[20:48:04] dfiske: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[20:48:04] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[20:48:07] Willowbottom: @JOHNABYRNE At an emotional level, how do ur staff deal w/pubs “kaputting” knowing they’re competition but also it’s a bad sign? #editorchat

[20:48:12] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: But newspapers and magazines that deliver unique value will make it. They just have to change–dramatically. #editorchat

[20:48:16] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE I wonder how many Web magazines went with them. Too many, I’m sure. #editorchat

[20:48:23] jtlongandco: Where will the journalists go after the newsrooms close? What jobs need their transferrable skills? #editorchat

[20:48:29] shortformblog: @johnabyrne Do you think the Maryland senator’s proposal to save newspapers will help? Or is it an affront to freedom of speech? #editorchat

[20:48:27] waynesutton: Retweet @dmac1 For biz journalists, being on Twitter is not only about being where the reader is, it’s often where the source is #editorchat

[20:48:29] JOHNABYRNE: An individual slideshow generates the most traffic largely because there are more pages to see. #editorchat

[20:48:33] littlebrownpen: RT @JOHNABYRNE: But newspapers and magazines that deliver unique value will make it. They just have to change–dramatically. #editorchat

[20:48:47] dodgemedlin: @JOHNABYRNE We *all* ought to be delivering unique value. Any pub. that doesn’t deserves what it gets. #editorchat

[20:48:48] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Yeah, I’m thinking the fattest newspapers won’t last in the current model. #editorchat

[20:48:55] wolfemanmatt: @JOHNABYRNE What do the newspapers have to change? The content, delivery, or business model? #editorchat

[20:48:55] shirleybrady: @dmac1 Welcome Doug MacMillan! One of BW’s tech writers & a SM ace – great use at #SXSW etc. Any Q’s for a BW reporter? #editorchat

[20:49:08] mobienthusiast: @JOHNABYRNE the million dollar question is how can newspapers transition to online/mobile and stay in business? #editorchat

[20:49:19] shortformblog: @johnabyrne (To clarify, specifically freedom of the press.) #editorchat

[20:49:19] a2editor: @JOHNABYRNE My hometown paper just announced that it’s closing in July after 174 yrs. But it was not delivering unique value… #editorchat

[20:49:21] MikeLizun: RT @JOHNABYRNE: An individual slideshow generates the most traffic largely because there are more pages to see. #editorchat

[20:49:30] konadad: @JOHNABYRNE Your thoughts on the Stewart/Cramer smackdown? #editorchat

[20:49:31] knitnrun: @JOHNABYRNE Too late for newspapers touted as knockin’ on death’s door? Will pressure lead to radical transformation? #editorchat

[20:49:32] rajmanohar21: RT@JOHNABYRNEWe had victims of what Warren Buffett called “The Survival of the Fattest.” #editorchat

[20:49:48] tweditor: Rolling Stone editor wrote (paraph.) What if some cyberterrorist zaps communications infrastructure? You’ll wish for newspapers. #editorchat

[20:49:49] JOHNABYRNE: It’s a tough time to be a journalist today. So there are a lot of very worried people in the biz. #editorchat

[20:49:49] marciamarcia: @jtlongandco Before hiring downturn I saw companies & nonprofits hiring journalists to capture the stories that create culture. #editorchat

[20:49:50] PDXsays: RT @JOHNABYRNE But newspapers and magazines that deliver unique value will make it. They just have to change–dramatically. #editorchat

[20:49:55] jtlongandco: @rebeccalweber RT Any questions/topics you’d like addressed? Transcript will be posted here later: http://is.gd/jdzo #editorchat

[20:49:57] merylkevans: @mobienthusiast Newspapers need to interact with social media and bridge print with web. #editorchat

[20:49:58] littlebrownpen: @jtlongandco The world needs intelligent thought. They will rise to the top. #editorchat

[20:50:07] anndouglas: @johnabyrne, Do you find it is works best to offer video clip in short segments which are distributed throughout story or 1 pc? #editorchat

[20:50:14] kristoforlawson: @JOHNABYRNE – the problem to me seems to be newspaper’s reliance on advertising. The need to get back to making quality content! #editorchat

[20:50:16] JDEbberly: RT @merylkevans: @mobienthusiast Newspapers need to interact with social media and bridge print with web. #editorchat

[20:50:30] milehighfool: @dmac1 Glad you could make it, Doug. #editorchat

[20:50:30] JOHNABYRNE: @a2editor And what’s surprising is that it had served a smart and vibrant community in Ann Arbor. #editorchat

[20:50:48] mobienthusiast: Local media needs to provide instant local emergency info prominently on front page of sites, not run the story later in the day #editorchat

[20:51:05] mikepilarz: As a reader, I’m finding myself reprioritize my “must-read” publications, favoring those whose journalists tweet & do it well #editorchat

[20:51:06] PDXsays: @JOHNABYRNE I think that is true of almost all biz, with transitions to SM and economy #editorchat

[20:51:18] JOHNABYRNE: I think there are three absolutes in today’s media world. You can argue any of them but I maintain they’re pretty much true. #editorchat

[20:51:22] pjackson: RT @JOHNABYRNE newspapers and magazines that deliver unique value will make it. Just have to change–dramatically. #editorchat >> AGREE.

[20:51:34] a2editor: @JOHNABYRNE They say we’re ready for a switch to online-only b/c we’re a tech-savvy community, but it’s certainly not the same. #editorchat

[20:51:46] dodgemedlin: @mobienthusiast More sites are doing that, w/blog-style entries on the home page, esp. during emergencies. #editorchat

[20:51:47] knitnrun: @kristoforlawson Great point on reliance on advertising $$$ for revenue. Where will new rev streams emerge for survivors? #editorchat

[20:51:48] kristoforlawson: RT @JOHNABYRNE: It’s a tough time to be a journalist today. So there are a lot of very worried people in the biz. #editorchat

[20:51:59] LydiaBreakfast: @JOHNABYRNE And a lot of brand new freelancers. Do you think pubs will continue to use them in lieu of hiring permanent staff? #editorchat

[20:52:14] ivanoransky: Great chat going on involving Twitter journalist master @JOHNABYRNE right now at #editorchat

[20:52:18] miltoncontact: lets get real, there must be income to support journalism & journalists for medium to survive, current shift away from consumer #editorchat

[20:52:24] knitnrun: Great point @kristoforlawson on reliance on advertising $$$ for revenue. Where will new rev streams emerge for survivors? #editorchat

[20:52:27] shortformblog: @kristoforlawson Focusing on content isn’t an option when the ad market is in the toilet, it seems. #editorchat

[20:52:28] jtlongandco: I see journalists going to pr, political, academia, marketing, of course web (if they don’t need to eat). Where else? #editorchat

[20:52:32] smallbizlady: RT @waynesutton @dmac1 For biz journalists, being on Twitter is not only about being where the reader is, it’s often the source #editorchat

[20:52:37] JOHNABYRNE: 2) Online advertising cannot offset the print decline or save a print product. Too much online inventory from too many rivals. #editorchat

[20:52:43] JDEbberly: RT @ivanoransky: Great chat going on involving Twitter journalist master @JOHNABYRNE right now at #editorchat

[20:52:45] milehighfool: @dmac1 You’re on the front lines. How much of writing is informed by the BW community? Twitter? #editorchat

[20:52:45] janeco: @LydiaBreakfast I would think freelancers keep the overhead down #editorchat

[20:52:45] anndouglas: RT @johnabyrne Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[20:52:49] mitchjoel: You are focusing on content. I say focus on the advertising. Newspapers sell advertising, not content. Learn those new models. #editorchat

[20:52:58] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Who are the most involved social-media journalists you know? @newmediajim and @ricksanchezcnn top my list. #editorchat

[20:53:02] JOHNABYRNE: 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat

[20:53:11] mobienthusiast: @merylkevans my beef: local emergency stories not tweeted or on front page of local media, i.e. fires/water main break #sandiego #editorchat

[20:53:11] jeffkart: @JOHNABYRNE they said radio, movies and tv would kill us. newspapers that adapt(ed) will survive. #editorchat

[20:53:17] shortformblog: To go along with my comments about ad revenue, I suggest you guys check out http://revenuetwopointzero.com/ #rev2oh #editorchat

[20:53:21] CathyWebSavvyPR: @JOHNABYRNE the million dollar question is how can newspapers transition to online/mobile and stay in business? #editorchat

[20:53:21] JOHNABYRNE: The upshot: Nothing less than radical transformation is necessary to succeed in the future. #editorchat

[20:53:41] JOHNABYRNE: Problem is, most people in media cling to those three absolutes as if they are white lies and don’t change. #editorchat

[20:53:44] phdinparenting: @anndouglas I subscribed to one of them….not happy! #editorchat

[20:53:50] CathyWebSavvyPR: RT @JOHNABYRNE 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat

[20:53:52] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: The upshot: Nothing less than radical transformation is necessary to succeed in the future. #editorchat

[20:53:59] JOHNABYRNE: So they cling to the hope that print advertising will come back. #editorchat

[20:54:07] knitnrun: @LydiaBreakfast Maybe nat’l heathcare will happen is the demise of corporate emps in so many industries like pub (freelancers) #editorchat

[20:54:10] shortformblog: I took part in #rev2oh over the weekend, and we tried coming up with ad models even though we’re editorial people. #editorchat

[20:54:11] ATLCheap: @GinaLaGuardia Why, yes I am the Jennifer you know. So many great tweets, it’s tricky catching up tonight. #editorchat

[20:54:12] littlebrownpen: @JOHNABYRNE What are your thoughts on that transformation? Seems BW is ahead of the curve. #editorchat

[20:54:13] PDXsays: @CathyWebSavvyPR printing is a huge investment to just toss over, true #editorchat

[20:54:19] JOHNABYRNE: They think that some day online advertising will offset the print decline and help support a broken print model. #editorchat

[20:54:19] merylkevans: @mobienthusiast My local paper and some TV news stations are good about posting breaking news on its home page. #editorchat

[20:54:25] bob_bobala: We’re talking a lot about the downfall of print. But there’s more opportunity than ever to get your stuff out in the world. #editorchat

[20:54:29] janeco: RT @JOHNABYRNE: The upshot: Nothing less than radical transformation is necessary to succeed in the future. #editorchat

[20:54:39] CathyBrowne: RT @mitchjoel: You are focusing on content. I say focus on the advertising. Newspapers sell advertising, not content.#editorchat

[20:54:44] broksas: I shouldn’t be surprised RT @JOHNABYRNE: Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[20:54:54] bob_bobala: You just have to be skilled enough to get the cream to rise to the top. #editorchat

[20:54:56] JOHNABYRNE: And they think that their competitors will die and therefore they’ll be able to charge for content. #editorchat

[20:55:01] shortformblog: You have to think outside the box, really, to save this industry. And thinking about ads might just be the ticket. #rev2oh #editorchat

[20:55:07] dodgemedlin: @shortformblog Rev2.0 came up with a lot of good stuff. It’ll be interesting to see how it’s put into practice. #editorchat

[20:55:12] kristoforlawson: @shortformblog – newspapers definitely need to worry about content first. People buy stuff if its actually worth reading #editorchat

[20:55:18] JOHNABYRNE: All these things prevent incumbents from embracing the transformational changes they need to survive and succeed. #editorchat

[20:55:24] jimmcbee: rt @JOHNABYRNE Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat

[20:55:32] WriteNowBiz: Isn’t it true the ‘turnover’ of online is more? Things seem “old news” faster? #editorchat

[20:55:35] miltoncontact: Time for bed here in Cambridge, thanks for interesting chat
#editorchat

[20:55:37] ginakay: @JOHNABYRNE Tough 2 B journalist > confirming a story’s validity is difficult, particularly if story seeds/threads are online? #editorchat

[20:55:36] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: And they think that their competitors will die and therefore they’ll be able to charge for content. #editorchat

[20:55:38] GinaLaGuardia: @ATLCheap Excellent — nice to see you on here. Following you. 🙂 And yes, I’m doing my best to read-read-read. 🙂 #editorchat

[20:55:43] gfcorbett: RT @JOHNABYRNE 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat

[20:55:50] colorsign: @JOHNABYRNE Only David Faber has come close to telling me (and most others I figure) about toxic assets. Will print get it? #editorchat

[20:55:53] knitnrun: RT @JOHNABYRNE: They think that some day online advertising will offset the print decline and help support a broken print model. #editorchat

[20:56:01] dmac1: @milehighfool Few stories I write get published on BW without being vetted by readers at some point in process #editorchat

[20:56:08] PDXsays: @JOHNABYRNE that’s morose.. wait for you neighbor to die of the plague to raid their food pantry…? surely that is not a biz mo #editorchat

[20:56:12] JDEbberly: @miltoncontact See you next week, Milton! Nice reading your tweets! #editorchat

[20:56:13] shortformblog: @kristoforlawson Tell that to the people paying our paychecks. I’ve already been laid off once in the last six months. #editorchat

[20:56:16] dodgemedlin: @bob_bobala That’s the irony. More people are reading newspapers’ stuff than ever before. It’s the money that’s the problem. #editorchat

[20:56:18] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Print advertising is not coming back. What papers need to learn is successful online biz models. #editorchat

[20:56:22] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat

[20:56:25] jennipps: @kristoforlawson Definitely. Local paper here alternates mostly advertising/articles. I’ve seen it said they sell more w/article #editorchat

[20:56:43] leighgrace: Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat (via @JOHNABYRNE)

[20:56:44] JOHNABYRNE: Transformation is really hard and painful. That’s why a lot of players aren’t going to make it. #editorchat

[20:56:47] chuckhemann: RT @JOHNABYRNE: They think that some day online advertising will offset the print decline and help support a broken print model. #editorchat

[20:56:51] MikeLizun: RT @dmac1: @milehighfool Few stories I write get published on BW without being vetted by readers at some point in process #editorchat

[20:57:02] JOHNABYRNE: I had a fascinating discussion this afternoon with our chief economist Mike Mandell. #editorchat

[20:57:04] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Transformation is really hard and painful. That’s why a lot of players aren’t going to make it. #editorchat

[20:57:04] mitchjoel: What is Craigslist and Huffington Post doing right? Why aren’t newspapers and magazines doing that? #editorchat.

[20:57:09] marciamarcia: User engagement has become a buzz phrase (few are really walking the talk) in journalism & society at large. #editorchat

[20:57:15] JOHNABYRNE: He maintains that within three years, there will be a media boom. #editorchat

[20:57:26] littlebrownpen: Anyone else willing to pay for content? I do and am, but most people aren’t there yet. #editorchat

[20:57:27] knitnrun: @WriteNowBiz Turnover is fast. Even on Twitter I see links several days old. If not today’s date, I try not to link. #editorchat

[20:57:38] JOHNABYRNE: It will largely occur through entrepreneurship and the ease of entry into the business via the Net. #editorchat

[20:57:36] JDEbberly: RT @marciamarcia: User engagement has become a buzz phrase (few are really walking the talk) in journalism & society at large. #editorchat

[20:57:39] shortformblog: rt @JOHNABYRNE Transformation is really hard and painful. That’s why a lot of players aren’t going to make it. #editorchat #editorchat

[20:57:39] edwardboches: agree with John #editorchat, I was Creative Director for MPA for years, and also head an ad agency, print adv is over

[20:57:51] BaileyMcC: Look over @JOHNABYRNE ‘s stream for some much needed realism about where we stand on journalism/newspapers et al as he moderates #editorchat

[20:57:54] LydiaBreakfast: @JOHNABYRNE Does that mean more community content? If so will it require more or less staff? #editorchat

[20:57:55] JOHNABYRNE: A new generation of entrepreneur/journalists will emerge to lead this boom. #editorchat

[20:57:56] mitchjoel: It’s actually not about the content. It’s about debt and legacy contracts and unions that leave them unable to evolve. #editorchat.

[20:57:56] kathyoreilly: totally agree @CathyWebSavvyPR @JOHNABYRNE Subscribers r more likely 2 pay 4 content they can’t find anywhere else #editorchat

[20:58:05] dmac1: Sometimes, comments to previous stories or discussions on Twitter help form ideas. Other times, I have a story & I ask for input #editorchat

[20:58:16] anndouglas: RT @BeckyDMBR Print advertising is not coming back. What papers need to learn is successful online biz models. #editorchat

[20:58:18] BeckyDMBR: @littlebrownpen Depends on the content. #editorchat

[20:58:25] bob_bobala: @dodgemedlin Agreed. From a writer’s perspective you probably have to write more across disciplines to have an impact and $ #editorchat

[20:58:30] JOHNABYRNE: And it will result in a media bubble. Part of the logic is based on the removal of the big costs of production & distribution. #editorchat

[20:58:28] kristoforlawson: @jennipps – i stopped buying my local paper because it was all advertising and no quality content. I felt ripped off. #editorchat

[20:58:30] howlvenice: Print magazines are just like the car companies. acknowledging disruptive technologies too late to maintain existing revenues. #editorchat

[20:58:34] MimiAndelman: Local papers do own one thing — local news. Now cover it! #editorchat

[20:58:37] billso: RT @johnabyrne “Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the USA went kaput. #editorchat

[20:58:44] shortformblog: @littlebrownpen I think people should pay for the model, not the content. Add value to the model – iPhone apps are one way. #editorchat

[20:58:44] JOHNABYRNE: Right now, though, it’s hard to imagine us having a media boom, no less a media bubble. #editorchat

[20:58:46] rajmanohar21: rt@JOHNABYRNEA new generation of entrepreneur/journalists will emerge to lead this boom. #editorchat

[20:58:49] edwardboches: #editorchat challenge will be how to connect on niche special interest basis and add very narrow value, rather than broad to gen $$

[20:59:00] jimmcbee: rt @JOHNABYRNE news transformation will occur through entrepreneurship and the ease of entry via the Net. #editorchat

[20:59:10] rajmanohar21: RT@JOHNABYRNEIt will largely occur through entrepreneurship and the ease of entry into the business via the Net. #editorchat

[20:59:11] jeremymeyers: @JOHNABYRNE John you should consolidate all of this information into a blog post #editorchat

[20:59:12] milehighfool: Isn’t a media boom already underway? Twitter, blogs, even Facebook. This is all media in some form. Just not the media we know. #editorchat

[20:59:12] sfwriter: I can’t wait for that boom! Sounds like much more fun than watching newspapers die. #editorchat

[20:59:13] TMFZahrim: Web has been niche while print was mainstream. Role reversal going on. #editorchat

[20:59:14] GinaLaGuardia: Rock on! RT @JOHNABYRNE: A new generation of entrepreneur/journalists will emerge to lead this [media] boom. #editorchat

[20:59:15] ajkeen: examples? please name names, John RT @JOHNABYRNE A new generation of entrepreneur/journalists will emerge to lead this boom. #editorchat

[20:59:20] JOHNABYRNE: I think hyper-local sites have a good future and that should mean more community journalism. #editorchat

[20:59:20] jtlongandco: Craigslist and Huffpo don’t pay their writers. How is that sustainable? #editorchat

[20:59:22] JDEbberly: rt @JOHNABYRNE news transformation will occur through entrepreneurship and the ease of entry via the Net. #editorchat

[20:59:26] jennipps: @kristoforlawson I do too. And too much late news. Then again, newspaper print is hard for me to read, but my dad gets it. #editorchat

[20:59:30] PDXsays: @JOHNABYRNE spoke w/ a tech start up last week who is doing just that.news such as that… but where is the credibility of truth #editorchat

[20:59:38] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: I think hyper-local sites have a good future and that should mean more community journalism. #editorchat

[20:59:40] StevePR104: @CathyBrowne wait…newspapers deliver audience. If people can get their content from elsewhere, they no longer need papers. #editorchat

[20:59:44] shortformblog: @littlebrownpen The ads pay for your paycheck. The three quarters you drop in the box pay for (some of) the newsprint. #editorchat

[20:59:46] AlbertMaruggi: @mitchjoel when you say unions, let’s call it quality of life wage. it issue is laid off local journalist can’t make a living #editorchat

[20:59:54] benhedrington: John Byrne is Tweeting some powerful stuff about the future of print media right now… Wow! http://bit.ly/hf854 #editorchat

[20:59:59] rajmanohar21: RT@JOHNABYRNETransformation is really hard and painful. That’s why a lot of players aren’t going to make it. #editorchat

[20:59:59] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: A new generation of entrepreneur/journalists will emerge to lead this [media] boom. #editorchat

[21:00:02] JOHNABYRNE: Some of that content will be produced by citizens. Some by professional journalists. #editorchat

[21:00:03] edwardboches: most successful newspaper web programs have been acutely local #editorchat, what is equiv for magazines

[21:00:11] ATLCheap: @JOHNABYRNE I agree. Experimenting with this now. Any tips for balancing the entrepreneurial side with the journalism? #editorchat

[21:00:16] ginakay: @MimiAndelman “local papers” often aren’t that local. Example: Cox is based in Atlanta, yet runs our local paper #editorchat

[21:00:15] shortformblog: @littlebrownpen Why not translate that to the next media playing field? #editorchat

[21:00:19] dfiske: RT @GinaLaGuardia: Rock on! RT @JOHNABYRNE: A new generation of entrepreneur/journalists will emerge to lead this [media] boom. #editorchat

[21:00:24] kristoforlawson: @JOHNABYRNE – i think there is a real problem with all the content being the same for both online and print. #editorchat

[21:00:31] mitchjoel: The model will not be about 1 company speaking to 10 million. It will be 10 million companies speaking to 10 million people. #editorchat

[21:00:31] JOHNABYRNE: Ultimately, I think local newspapers can only largely survive if they become local Googles. #editorchat

[21:00:33] anndouglas: RT @JOHNABYRNE: I think hyper-local sites have a good future and that should mean more community journalism. #editorchat

[21:00:34] PDXsays: @JOHNABYRNE this start up takes no responsibility for accuracy of content #editorchat

[21:00:36] mobienthusiast: @dodgemedlin a U-T person said water main story in local sec, needed to be front page early, not everyone got reverse 911 call #editorchat

[21:00:38] shirleybrady: @sfwriter Welcome to BW tech writer Rachael King! #editorchat

[21:00:41] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Some of that content will be produced by citizens. Some by professional journalists. #editorchat

[21:00:41] AlbertMaruggi: @JOHNABYRNE wait on the community journalism thing, where’s the $. Let’s just say $30K plus benefits, who is going to pay that? #editorchat

[21:00:48] rajmanohar21: RT@JOHNABYRNE3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat

[21:01:00] secretsushi: @JOHNABYRNE I have had the “hyper-local” convo with friends. I completely agree. Thats where newspapers started, no? #editorchat

[21:01:04] JanSimpson: RT @jtlongandco: Craigslist and Huffpo don’t pay their writers. How is that sustainable? #editorchat

[21:01:06] cArtPhotography: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Ultimately, I think local newspapers can only largely survive if they become local Googles. #editorchat

[21:01:06] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool I agree. Boom! It’s everywhere. Next step is to hone and perfect. #editorchat

[21:01:10] JOHNABYRNE: They have to acquire enough information about the community & people that they can deliver leads to local businesses. #editorchat

[21:01:08] ginakay: RT @milehighfool Isn’t a media boom already underway? Twitter, blogs, Facebook. All media in some form. Just not media we know. #editorchat

[21:01:10] mitchjoel: It’s still going to be a lot of money, just not as much as newspapers made when they were the only game in town. #editorchat

[21:01:15] ValerieSimon: RT @milehighfool media boom already underway. Twitter, blogs, even Facebook. All media in some form. Just not the media we know. #editorchat

[21:01:20] maczter: RT @JOHNABYRNE: I think hyper-local sites have a good future and that should mean more community journalism. #editorchat

[21:01:23] howlvenice: i helped launch peopleonline.com way back when and they wouldn’t put the URL on the magazine’s cover for years #editorchat

[21:01:24] cperry248: Check out @johnabyrne and his breakdown on the media. Conversation now. #editorchat

[21:01:30] sfwriter: @shirleybrady Thanks! This is really interesting! #editorchat

[21:01:35] MikeLizun: @dmac1 besides twitter, any other social networks you are engaging in, that help form ideas? BX? #editorchat

[21:01:39] pocobw: Searched Twitter for #editorchat: http://tinyurl.com/ch5rts

[21:01:42] jimmcbee: I think ability to read/write/research credibly will eventually be found to be worth money again. Not sure how, though. #editorchat

[21:01:45] mobienthusiast: @dodgemedlin I am pushing this b/c it’s a missing service and also opportunity to build trust with readers #sandiego #editorchat

[21:01:48] PDXsays: RT @JOHNABYRNE Ultimately, I think local newspapers can only largely survive if they become local Googles. #editorchat

[21:01:51] dodgemedlin: @mobienthusiast Well, we could always do better. I really do think we’re learning, though. These conversations help. #editorchat

[21:02:04] littlebrownpen: @dfiske I agree. #editorchat

[21:02:06] clintonskakun: via @mitchjoelWhat is Craigslist and Huffington Post doing right? Why aren’t newspapers and magazines doing that? #editorchat.

[21:02:08] _katelee: Depressing – RT @JOHNABYRNE: Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[21:02:09] JOHNABYRNE: @colorsign You’re talking ideology. We have no ideology at BW. #editorchat

[21:02:10] kristoforlawson: @knitnrun – survivors could boost sales through quality investigative journalism, and let online do the up-to-the-minute news #editorchat

[21:02:24] milehighfool: Journalists and community collaborating: Trick is to the find the line, and not abrogate responsibility. #editorchat

[21:02:26] ATLCheap: RT @JOHNABYRNE: I think hyper-local sites have a good future and that should mean more community journalism. #editorchat #citiesotc

[21:02:27] edwardboches: #editorchat you will have to go to where the audience is and not expect them to come to you

[21:02:29] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: @colorsign You’re talking ideology. We have no ideology at BW. #editorchat

[21:02:41] AlbertMaruggi: @JOHNABYRNE leads for businesses,that’s why I wonder why I’m in the chamber of commerce :>) but you are right about that model #editorchat

[21:02:40] dodgemedlin: @mobienthusiast Thanks! I’ll pass this along to our online folks. #editorchat

[21:02:41] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Journalists and community collaborating: Trick is to the find the line, and not abrogate responsibility. #editorchat

[21:02:44] JOHNABYRNE: @AlbertMaruggi The salaries will be lower, except for the entrepreneurs who start these sites. #editorchat

[21:02:46] Willowbottom: @milehighfool The problem w/media we don’t know seemsthat it’s hard for it to earn street cred – or is that just my perception? #editorchat

[21:02:52] JDEbberly: RT @edwardboches: #editorchat you will have to go to where the audience is and not expect them to come to you

[21:02:54] shirleybrady: @pocobw & welcome to BW.com managing channel editor Patricia O’Connell! #editorchat

[21:02:54] secretsushi: Newspapers need to concentrate on the message and not the medium. The “news” and not the “paper”. #editorchat

[21:02:56] edwardboches: #editorchat what twitter, facebook, et al are doing is owning the audience, possible vehicle for connection and readers

[21:03:06] DavisFreeberg: @mariaschneider Most social media is only worth quoting if you can’t verify the source. #editorchat

[21:03:08] etanowitz: Hello, Etan Horowitz, tech writer/blogger at Orlando Sentinel here. what’s the topic/question of the moment? #editorchat

[21:03:10] mobienthusiast: @dodgemedlin also it wasn’t just you, @nbcsandiego had it on a newscast but didn’t tweet it & not on their home page #sandiego #editorchat

[21:03:12] bmforbes: u can tell w HuffPo! RT @JanSimpson: RT @jtlongandco: Craigslist and Huffpo don’t pay their writers. How is that sustainable? #editorchat

[21:03:14] JDEbberly: RT @secretsushi: Newspapers need to concentrate on the message and not the medium. The “news” and not the “paper”. #editorchat

[21:03:18] jomc: print retweeters!!! (good points here) RT @JOHNABYRNE: How many Bernie Madoff pleads guilty stories can anyone read. #editorchat

[21:03:21] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Not sure about “hyper-local online sites.” Jury’s out for me. But local print papers? I believe they will thrive. #editorchat

[21:03:35] shortformblog: @Johnabyrne I think you’re right about hyperlocal. News should be like Yelp or UrbanSpoon. It should be centralized – on you. #editorchat

[21:03:34] JOHNABYRNE: In every community, taxpayers want to know how their money is being spent. #editorchat

[21:03:36] jimmcbee: rt @JOHNABYRNE The salaries will be lower, except for the entrepreneurs who start these (new media) sites. #editorchat

[21:03:48] edwardboches: #editorchat perhaps there is a way to become the objective reliable content arm of major social network platforms

[21:03:49] JOHNABYRNE: Parents want to know how their children are being educated. #editorchat

[21:03:53] knitnrun: RT @JOHNABYRNE (sic) comm papers must acquire enough info about commty & pple that they deliver leads to local biz / UseTwitter! #editorchat

[21:03:53] kristoforlawson: my solution to newspapers is to focus on investigative journalism again, and let online news do the day to day stuff. #editorchat

[21:04:01] jennipps: RT @milehighfool Journalists and community collaborating: Trick is to the find the line, and not abrogate responsibility. #editorchat

[21:04:10] ginakay: If goal is to deliver leads to local biz via local print media, some of that happens now, plus an online presence (Bizjournals) #editorchat

[21:04:12] yoyomama_van: Interesting article on free content & services from the Economist. Not totally on point, but still relevant: http://bit.ly/m9Gw #editorchat

[21:04:26] LydiaBreakfast: May I remind everyone this is a chat to determine how writers and editors can move with the changing times – not a gripe session #editorchat

[21:04:29] JOHNABYRNE: And then there are local sports–high school, college, Little League, soccer, etc. #editorchat

[21:04:31] milehighfool: @Willowbottom No, that’s fair and to @JOHNABYRNE‘s point: engaging, original content wins. Source is secondary. #editorchat

[21:04:37] dodgemedlin: @jimmcbee Aha! So *that’s* why you started smartnewsnc.com. 🙂 #editorchat

[21:04:45] MimiAndelman: I would like highly targeted local news, down to the neighborhood, even — with advertising that pertains. Good for all. #editorchat

[21:04:45] edwardboches: #editorchat what bothers me about the social free for all is lack of objectivity, discipline reporting, etc,

[21:04:48] shirleybrady: @edwardboches Great idea, Edward. #editorchat

[21:04:51] shortformblog: @JOHNABYRNE Do you think they care about chicken dinners, T-ball games and business functions too? 😀 Just kidding. You’re right #editorchat

[21:04:51] jenandtheart: Why is no one addressing the aesthetic and cultural value of paper and instead trying to reinvent what we put in ink and paper? #editorchat

[21:04:53] AlbertMaruggi: @kristoforlawson you have a point there. I see plenty of opportunity for corruption without independent press #editorchat

[21:04:54] littlebrownpen: RT: @kristoforlawson my solution to is to focus on investigative journalism again, and let online news do the day to day #editorchat

[21:05:06] RBLevin: @milehighfool Define boom? Users? Boom. Revenue? Bust. #editorchat

[21:05:16] Dark_Faust: Just joining. Is there a list of questions for tonight’s tweet? #editorchat

[21:05:26] merylkevans: @apowerpoint I have two tweetgrid tabs open — one for #editorchat and one for #b2bmktgchat. http://www.hashtags.org/ explains all # #b2bmktgchat

[21:05:26] ginakay: I missed Scrubs because of #editorchat. heh.

[21:05:35] jeffkart: @JOHNABYRNE thats a niche that newspapers can fill. all local. no wire. #editorchat

[21:05:35] kristoforlawson: you can’t expect to sell papers if the content online is pretty much the same as in the paper format. #editorchat

[21:05:37] edwardboches: #editorchat writers and editors still need to show readers they have value in quality that can’t be found from amateurs

[21:05:44] JOHNABYRNE: HuffPo’s plan is a smart one. If the local newspaper doesn’t do it, they will. But local entrepreneurs will have the advantage. #editorchat

[21:05:49] JDEbberly: RT: @kristoforlawson my solution to is to focus on investigative journalism again, and let online news do the day to day #editorchat

[21:06:00] etanowitz: anyone can solicit user generated content, but media/journalists will stand out by being the best at filtering and compiling #editorchat

[21:06:04] mobienthusiast: @LydiaBreakfast I hope you don’t mean me – I am offering insight for improved social media/journalist communication #editorchat

[21:06:10] PDXsays: Is the day of the smart local journalist who aspires to rise over? #editorchat

[21:06:11] TMFZahrim: RT @jenandtheart: Why is no one addressing aesthetic and cultural value of paper, instead trying to reinvent it? #editorchat

[21:06:16] GinaLaGuardia: @edwardboches They are owning *&* employing/leveraging audience’s contributions. Good editors can frame that.. that’s the future #editorchat

[21:06:23] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust It’s an open discussion. Not following the format tonight #editorchat

[21:06:22] amandachapel: @JOHNABYRNE “The salaries will be lower, except for the entrepreneurs who start these sites. #editorchat” Nonsense.

[21:06:23] konadad: Agreed. RT @edwardboches: #editorchat what bothers me about the social free for all is lack of objectivity, discipline reporting, etc,

[21:06:28] jtlongandco: Community=more than geography. Florida country club members want a different story about Madoff than hedge fund managers,nonprof #editorchat

[21:06:36] knitnrun: @JOHNABYRNE As @kristoforlawson said and my f-i-law says is missing fr Web content: it’s the investigative piece. Thoughts? #editorchat

[21:06:39] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Agreed, though I recently wrote about a company trying to do local news via algorithm. Scary. #editorchat

[21:06:40] Dark_Faust: @LydiaBreakfast Fewer pubs and a broken bus model means less full-time jobs. Lots of freelancing work, tho. #editorchat

[21:06:40] LydiaBreakfast: @mobienthusiast No not you 🙂 #editorchat

[21:06:47] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust It’s an open discussion. Not following the format tonight #editorchat

[21:06:52] jimmcbee: @dodgemedlin I have hopes for Ernie’s http://shortformblog.com too 😉 (and no monetary interest, either) It’s time to experiment #editorchat

[21:06:53] RBLevin: @JOHNABYRNE And they don’t read or click on online ads. #editorchat

[21:06:53] motownmutt: @cynawriter you can try following the #editorchat discussion with tweetgrid: http://is.gd/oZh1

[21:06:54] dmac1: @MikeLizun BX is good tool. But I find best place to find readers w/ good ideas are comment threads on BW stories & blogs #editorchat

[21:06:55] fromartz: @JOHNABYRNE And will BW writers flock to do hyper-local news? #editorchat

[21:07:06] TMFZahrim: For print to survive, it indeed needs to embrace its “print-ness” #editorchat

[21:07:06] edwardboches: #editorchat agree wtih investigative that will be sorely missed of papers or serious magazines diminish

[21:07:08] secretsushi: TRaditional media’s strength is in their ability to assimilate information and foster resources. #editorchat

[21:07:20] leanneclc: What do you guys think of the way NPR has been able to get money from audience? Not same as for profit…but it works #editorchat

[21:07:22] kristoforlawson: @AlbertMaruggi – absolutely. Papers used to be about exposing corruption, and keeping people honest. #editorchat

[21:07:28] milehighfool: @RBLevin Hey Rich. Not everyone is going bust. Is Portfolio? BusinessWeek? The Fool? Nope. #editorchat

[21:07:29] JDEbberly: WOW, TREMENDOUS insights by @JOHNABYRNE and others!! 🙂 #editorchat

[21:07:33] womenkind: I figure the future belongs to long-form print content (The New Yorker) and headlines which you can get in 1000 places for free. #editorchat

[21:07:37] dodgemedlin: @jimmcbee Absolutely. shortformblog.com has a ton of potential. #editorchat

[21:07:40] JOHNABYRNE: @amandachapel I know a highly experienced journalist who now works for a monthly $500 draw and is paid by page views. #editorchat

[21:07:42] TMFZahrim: sure have blogs and a FB page, but do things in print you can’t do online #editorchat

[21:07:46] Krochmal: You should be reading @JOHNABYRNE ‘s tweetstream right now. Seriously. #editorchat

[21:08:04] Dark_Faust: @edwardboches Really, the audience is owning the audience. The readers are in control. That’s a mixed blessing. #editorchat

[21:08:04] jtlongandco: @milehighfool News by algorithm = very scary #editorchat

[21:08:05] martindave: RT @JOHNABYRNE 2) Online advert cannot offset print decline or save print product. 2 much online inventory from 2 many rivals. #editorchat

[21:08:16] MikeLizun: @dmac1 Thanks. #editorchat

[21:08:31] kristoforlawson: @AlbertMaruggi – and getting to the heart of a story. Making sure its told properly. Quality journalism must return! #editorchat

[21:08:32] kathyoreilly: @dmac1 have u asked Q’s on LinkedIn where A’s generate story ideas/content? #editorchat

[21:08:37] JOHNABYRNE: BW is not about hyper-local. We need to provide original, useful analysis that helps people get ahead in biz. #editorchat

[21:08:46] TMFZahrim: portable, bendable, vivid and esily readable… scratch n sniff 😛 paper can do so much my computer can’t #editorchat

[21:08:48] edwardboches: @leanneclc #editorchat npr is proof people will pay for good content. if new yorker went, every reader would pay for the online version

[21:08:51] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE 2) Online advert cannot offset print decline or save print product. 2 much online inventory from 2 many rivals. #editorchat

[21:08:54] shortformblog: @jimmcbee @dodgemedlin You schmucks are too kind. 😀 #editorchat

[21:09:02] dodgemedlin: OK, duty calls. I’ll catch up on reading this later. @mobienthusiast, thanks for the comments about emergency coverage. #editorchat

[21:09:04] milehighfool: @jtlongandco The idea is to pull from Twitter, FB, blogs and other public postings and then triangulate based on your GPS. #editorchat

[21:09:06] AlbrightDC: @TMFZahrim “things in print you can’t do online”… Like what? #editorchat

[21:09:13] ttlFantastic: RT @JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: A new generation of entrepreneur/journalists will emerge to lead this [media] boom. #editorchat

[21:09:14] RBLevin: @milehighfool What I mean is, lots of readers, very little if any revenue per reader. #editorchat

[21:09:19] JOHNABYRNE: We used to live in a nice little world with finite competition: WSJ, Fortune & Forbes. #editorchat

[21:09:22] mitchjoel: HuffPo is an opp for journos to grow audience and brand. Use that audience to monetize – book deals, Blogs, other initiatives. #editorchat.

[21:09:28] martindave: RT @JOHNABYRNE 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat [spot on, kudos, JAB]

[21:09:32] PDXsays: I just felt our children’s IQ’s drop by at least 10 points, with the future of journalism #editorchat

[21:09:36] RBLevin: @amandachapel HoffPost gets much of its content for free. I’d call that “lower.” #editorchat

[21:09:36] JDEbberly: @jtlongandco The idea is to pull from Twitter, FB, blogs and other public postings and then triangulate based on your GPS. #editorchat

[21:09:46] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Agreed. The future is news analysis. I’m not sure there’s such a thing as straight news anymore. #editorchat

[21:09:53] eclisham: There are many other opportunities for online revenue besides ads: text/email, video, lead gen, paid local search, etc. 1/2 #editorchat

[21:09:57] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added #editorchat

[21:09:57] TMFZahrim: cf Watchmen, Moore strives to do in comics what only comics can do. Yep the film failed. #editorchat

[21:10:00] AlbrightDC: I’d rather have all my news presented on screen- scrollable, searchable, etc- than deal with messy newsprint. #editorchat

[21:10:07] edwardboches: #editorchat agree with @womenkind people will pay for high quality long content, at least let’s hope so or it’s fox world

[21:10:05] hriefs: @JOHNABYRNE The Tribune is now moving fast with the hyper-local model, introducing neighborhood editions in 30+ suburbs #editorchat

[21:10:13] JOHNABYRNE: Today, we compete against Yahoo Finance, MSN Money, AOL Money & Finance, CNBC.com, Reuters.com, Bloomberg.com. #editorchat

[21:10:15] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Agreed. The future is news analysis. I’m not sure there’s such a thing as straight news anymore. #editorchat

[21:10:23] LydiaBreakfast: @RBLevin Which is the problem. How does anyone make a living wage tied to page views? #editorchat

[21:10:23] Dark_Faust: @martindave Any even then, they will pay very little. That’s the problem. #editorchat

[21:10:25] eclisham: BUT — will newspaper sales departments ramp up to be able to sell these new formats? 2/2 #editorchat

[21:10:25] collazoprojects: Bummed I’ve missed #editorchat due to computer problems.

[21:10:41] AlbrightDC: I think the “print vs. online” debate is largely generational. Today’s reporters post online. Period. #editorchat

[21:10:45] karenauby: @TMFZahrim I agree. I love reading the actual paper with a cup of coffee….a morning ritual #editorchat

[21:10:47] milehighfool: @RBLevin Agreed. And that *is* a huge issue. Even if brain engagement is up, wallet engagement, overall, is down. #editorchat

[21:10:48] JOHNABYRNE: The biz sections of the HuffPo, Salon, The Atlantic, biz & economic blogs, AmericanExpress Open, etc. #editorchat

[21:10:52] jenandtheart: I don’t think we lack accessibility to quality journalism. I think we lack creative models of employment. #editorchat

[21:10:54] secretsushi: – @JOHNABYRNE distribution is what made 1 paper better than another. Bigger reach. Now that is not a factor due to the web. #editorchat

[21:11:01] jennipps: @AlbrightDC My prob is the readability of the newsprint rather than the messiness. #editorchat

[21:11:09] shortformblog: @johnabyrne That’s not true. You compete against everyone. Those are just the big players. #editorchat

[21:11:09] bob_bobala: RT @milehighfool “The future is news analysis.” Yeah, that’s the value add that people will pay for. #editorchat

[21:11:12] jtlongandco: @sacramentopress I think you would enjoy this discussion #editorchat

[21:11:12] knitnrun: @leanneclc Good call on NPR money making. Have seen others suggest newspapers will need to go the nonprofit route. #editorchat

[21:11:14] JDEbberly: @collazoprojects You can read the transcript on the editorchat home page 🙂 #editorchat

[21:11:16] brucebski: #editorchat What ever you do, it must hold the attention of your audience, like a bucket holds water. It’s a competition 4 holding attention

[21:11:23] edwardboches: #editorchat here’s an idea: invent a new hardware technology that sends out news sources. buy once and sub to content sources

[21:11:22] PDXsays: @LydiaBreakfast you don’t … I am following some stuff on twitter – and god forgive me – don’t have the citations at hand #editorchat

[21:11:24] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Hmm. HuffPo is “smart” for HuffPo. For journalists or those who want journalism? Not so much. #editorchat

[21:11:29] jimmcbee: @PDXsays Critical thinking will be even more valuable with deluge of unreliable news/info. Facts and truth are slippery buggers. #editorchat

[21:11:34] Dark_Faust: @RBLevin yes. that’s what we’re finding. What is working for is a sponsorship model where the big companies pay. #editorchat

[21:11:35] JOHNABYRNE: And, of course, WSJ, Fortune and Forbes online. Also The Economist, The Financial Times, the biz section of the NYT, etc. #editorchat

[21:11:48] jenandtheart: #AlbrightDC Disagree. I’m 23 and I would still pay for NYTimes if they would give me something better in print (or online) #editorchat

[21:11:56] edwardboches: #editorchat do not start with what you do, start with what your reader wants and work backwards

[21:11:58] womenkind: @edwardboches People who value great content will pay for it. But not many people do. New Yorker has relatively low circ. #editorchat

[21:11:57] shortformblog: @johnabyrne Any blogger or guy with a twitter feed who has an opinion on business is your competitor. #editorchat

[21:11:59] dmac1: Local papers can use tech to give community the power and responsibility to do stories they want, ie Spot.Us http://bit.ly/qbrF1 #editorchat

[21:12:11] TMFZahrim: @JOHNABYRNE Not the Fool? 🙂 #editorchat

[21:12:14] JOHNABYRNE: It’s a very different competitive world. #editorchat

[21:12:19] rickywhy: @mobienthusiast @dodgemedlin this was posted on SignOn home page five hours before the city notified people http://bit.ly/gZio #editorchat

[21:12:20] AlbrightDC: @jennipps Readability- good point. Devices like the Kindle will adjust the print size for you. #editorchat

[21:12:20] PDXsays: @jenandtheart you’re onto something there, I believe… #editorchat

[21:12:30] kristoforlawson: @womenkind – I agree. Print needs to be long in-depth investigative journalism. Online needs to be the day-to-day headlines. #editorchat

[21:12:31] StevePR104: @jimmcbee Irony: if fewer can make money delivering news because of the Net, we become less, not more, informed because of it. #editorchat

[21:12:44] edwardboches: #editorchat steal chapter from amazon kindle, not their core strength, but inspired by consumer/reader desire

[21:12:47] mobienthusiast: @shirleybrady Please send me a transcript link too #editorchat

[21:12:56] knitnrun: RT @edwardboches #editorchat do not start with what you do, start with what your reader wants and work backwards

[21:13:00] DougH: @AlbertMaruggi @mitchjoel‘s right. Unions support jobs that would be eliminated/evolve for distribution to evolve. Won;t go easy #editorchat

[21:13:07] IPStrategist: @JOHNABYRNE Interesting. Stopped NYT in ATL b/c HuffPo my first stop in am. Don’t miss local paper b/c ATL paper stunk 4 years. #editorchat

[21:13:09] JOHNABYRNE: @shortformblog I pretty much agree with you. Our brand still stands for something but the competition is amazing now. #editorchat

[21:13:16] AlbrightDC: @jenandtheart Oh I would pay for online access, if it was from a good source. #editorchat

[21:13:18] BaileyMcC: @Dark_Faust do you worry about objectivity with the sponsorhip model? #editorchat

[21:13:20] LydiaBreakfast: Speaking of hyperlocal vs. wider focus, will they be able to coexist peacefully and profitably in the future? #editorchat

[21:13:27] Dark_Faust: @jimmcbee With media in collapse, critical thinkers will not linker long in journalism. They will migrate behind corp walls. #editorchat

[21:13:34] rickywhy: It was updated 2 hours later, and 5 hours later again… Admittedly, blog items not prominent on page… But available on rss #editorchat

[21:13:37] paradisekitten: Wheww Editor chat is hot! Lots of great insight and interesting views in sizzling tweet-feast. #editorchat

[21:13:39] littlebrownpen: @JOHNABYRNE Also opinion blogs like calculated risk, mish, roubini, deninger, etc. Competition is endless. #editorchat

[21:13:54] RBLevin: I also think that publishers need to look at things like webinars. Advertisers want the lists and leads. #editorchat

[21:13:56] marciamarcia: @PDXsays Children adapt & find new ways to excel. I hear their IQs going up 10pts. Well, at least those who engage. #editorchat

[21:14:05] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Hyper-local strikes me as a false panacea. I don’t need to know what’s going on the block over. #editorchat

[21:14:08] JDEbberly: @paradisekitten You got that right! #editorchat

[21:14:20] jenandtheart: @AlbrightDC So would I. But it would have to have greater depth and breadth than just an online copy of paper #editorchat

[21:14:23] dmac1: @kathyoreilly I haven’t, prob because it’s a more private site. But I know LinkedIn added public features, so I should revisit #editorchat

[21:14:31] MikeLizun: @JOHNBYRNE what about mobile? Thoughts on that news delivery method and ad rev generating model? #editorchat

[21:14:42] RBLevin: What if an online pub were “ad free” sponsored by a vendor? Vendor gets branding, opt-in mailing list, other stuff. #editorchat

[21:14:43] ATLCheap: @hriefs The AJC just cut most of its hyper-local print sections, even though metro #Atlanta needs them due to its size. #editorchat

[21:14:45] edwardboches: #editorchat hyperlocal in the magazine business isn’t geographical, it’s subject/interest

[21:14:51] winequester: @JOHNABYRNE Overwhelming our Twitter feeds and pushing our friends and biz associates off by carpet bombing is arrogant. #editorchat

[21:14:51] mobienthusiast: @rickywhy I didn’t see it when I went to signon home page. My point is it needed to be front and center, not on interior page #editorchat

[21:14:53] MimiAndelman: But they may pay if it is: RT @JOHNABYRNE Subscribers will generally not pay fpr content unless it’s original…value-added #editorchat

[21:14:53] JOHNABYRNE: @BaileyMcC Not really. Under sponsorship, you may get more coverage of this or that. But it shouldn’t be influenced by a sponsor #editorchat

[21:14:56] secretsushi: @StevePR104 distribution is rly the primary issue. Cut that cost out of the equation. Distribute locally where ur strength is. #editorchat

[21:15:01] jennipps: @milehighfool That, to me, seems hyper-hyper. *s* Local paper has outlying communities & is — IMO — hyperlocal that way. #editorchat

[21:15:14] tweditor: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast I agree with @milehighfool. The HOA newsletter is boring. #editorchat

[21:15:17] jenandtheart: @PDXsays The problems that I see is that we A. Reinvent the wheel everytime it gets a flat & #editorchat

[21:15:30] Dark_Faust: @BaileyMcC For us – technology coverage – it’s easier to avoid that bullet. We cover the pain points of engineers. #editorchat

[21:15:35] edwardboches: #editorchat journalists need some real marketing help: every reader relationship to content is different

[21:15:45] JOHNABYRNE: @RBLevin Totally agree. Media brands need to become direct marketers and also create new products that people will pay for. #editorchat

[21:15:47] jimmcbee: @Dark_Faust one might say most already are, given size of media chains. Will corps hire journos to interpret the day’s events? #editorchat

[21:15:57] edwardboches: #editorchat some readers want entertainment, some information, some advice, some the chance to interact

[21:15:56] steveluis: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[21:15:56] TWATTERPUBLIC: tweditor: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast I agree with @milehighfool. The HOA newsletter is boring. #editorchat

[21:15:59] mobienthusiast: @rickywhy also, nobody from U-T tweeted it w/link to story = missed opportunity. Reverse 911 call said it happened Sun p.m. #editorchat

[21:16:09] jenandtheart: @PDXsays and B. The people who are ultimately running these establishments have NO IDEA what the internet is really about. #editorchat

[21:16:11] edwardboches: #editorchat need to think in terms of reader and then work backwards to add value that people will pay for

[21:16:14] fixin2: @MikeLizun I think this would work with media outlets with enough assets to deliver content, ads to devices #editorchat

[21:16:16] Dark_Faust: @BaileyMcC Much more fact based. But, yes, the EiC always has to be aware of the paying guest. 🙂 #editorchat

[21:16:20] KBordessa: RT @ATLCheap @JOHNABYRNE I think hyper-local sites have a good future and that should mean more community journalism. #editorchat #citiesotc

[21:16:24] JDEbberly: Editorchat is getting as fast-paced as journchat! WOWSERS!! #editorchat

[21:16:22] jeremymeyers: #editorchat The newspaper/advertiser relationship will benefit from the hyper-local targeting ability impossible with print but easy for web

[21:16:28] LydiaBreakfast: Maybe it takes a hyper-local village to reinvent the bigger news model? #editorchat

[21:16:38] PDXsays: @marciamarcia man.. last I read, kid’s performance in schools slumped..public schools, yes? AND as I recall, much of our thinkin #editorchat

[21:16:50] kristoforlawson: If print journalism can be different from online it has a big market. If it continues to be the same content then its in trouble #editorchat

[21:17:02] anndouglas: @milehighfool What I like about hyper-local is potential to make real change @ local level by knowing beat/issues. #editorchat

[21:17:07] dmac1: @colorsign More difficult to get a scoop than ever, especially in tech and biz news where bloggers now break good chunk of news #editorchat

[21:17:17] PDXsays: thinking process training comes from education using journalism #editorchat

[21:17:19] AlbrightDC: @kristoforlawson Why wouldn’t it be the same content? #editorchat

[21:17:24] fromartz: @JOHNABYRNE and companies are starting their own media channels and hiring journalists #editorchat

[21:17:24] MimiAndelman: Makes case for Tweeting new content. RT @rickywhy: … Admittedly, blog items not prominent on page… But available on rss #editorchat

[21:17:36] BaileyMcC: RT @edwardboches: #editorchat need to think in terms of reader and then work backwards to add value that people will pay for

[21:17:39] edwardboches: #editorchat @lydiabreakfast, there are lessons in every revolution, USA today, CNN, proliferation of special interest magazines

[21:17:46] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Interesting idea. How do you market and report and maintain credibility? #editorchat

[21:17:49] mobienthusiast: @RickyWhy Not trying to pick on UT; point is I drank water Sun p.m., coincidentally was sick, wanted info on front page #editorchat

[21:17:54] jenandtheart: @PDXsays At the cost of ageism: I don’t remember a time before the Internet. I have been on the Internet since I have memories. #editorchat

[21:18:06] MikeLizun: correction @JOHNABYRNE what about mobile? Thoughts on that news delivery method and ad rev generating model? #editorchat

[21:18:20] ginavon: I am liking the @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat …reading along. thx!

[21:18:25] soultravelers3: RT @JOHNABYRNE I know a highly experienced journalist who now works for a monthly $500 draw and is paid by page views. #editorchat

[21:18:22] snakewicked: Following interesting #editorchat discussion with @JOHNABYRNE, ed in chief at Business Week.

[21:18:24] Dark_Faust: @jimmcbee In my world – technology trade – journs are being use to cover editorial issues for corps. both print and online. #editorchat

[21:18:26] jenandtheart: @AlbrightDC @kristoforlawson Because do you put your right shoe on your left foot and your left shoe on your right? #editorchat

[21:18:27] DavisFreeberg: Too often journalists play safe by only writing pros/con re: argument instead of giving the opin & analysis that readers crave #editorchat

[21:18:30] littlebrownpen: A “flight to quality” is in effect. People are sick of spin, and hungry for journalism. #editorchat

[21:18:34] kristoforlawson: print needs to cover stories which are not yesterdays news. Online has a role to play in delivering news immediately #editorchat

[21:18:36] PDXsays: .. and as a generation, your comprehensive abilities are…? #editorchat

[21:18:40] mobienthusiast: @RickyWhy So, here’s request: if it’s important, have at least a headline on front page – same thing happened w/ fires last year #editorchat

[21:18:40] womenkind: @kristoforlawson Exactly. Why would anyone pay for People Mag when you can get the dirt online & in real time? #editorchat

[21:18:44] MimiAndelman: LOVE IT! RT @milehighfool What I like about hyper-local is potential to make real change @ local level by knowing beat/issues. #editorchat

[21:19:02] Dark_Faust: @jimmcbee some investigative reporting, but those reports never see the public “light of day” – as you hint. #editorchat

[21:19:07] AlbrightDC: “Brand” is important to print papers transitioning to online. Reputation=key #editorchat

[21:19:21] MaryKnudson: @JOHNABYRNE How do u keep online t news judgment of editors, reporters that shows up in newspapers by where story is played? #editorchat

[21:19:24] milehighfool: RT @littlebrownpen A “flight to quality” is in effect. People are sick of spin, and hungry for journalism. #editorchat

[21:19:26] jimmcbee: @milehighfool great q … credibility has really sunk anyway #editorchat

[21:19:27] JOHNABYRNE: @MikeLizun Mobile is key. I can foresee a day when most people will get their news via mobile device and not TV. Not far away. #editorchat

[21:19:29] JDEbberly: RT @AlbrightDC: “Brand” is important to print papers transitioning to online. Reputation=key #editorchat

[21:19:33] edwardboches: @MikeLizun #editorchat mobile will be huge, but with current technology more about shorter format and real time, less about long content

[21:19:37] PDXsays: @MimiAndelman caution harking to fifedoms #editorchat

[21:19:47] kristoforlawson: @AlbrightDC – because why would you pick up a paper if exactly the same story is free online? It needs to be different #editorchat

[21:19:49] jennipps: RT @AlbrightDC “Brand” is important to print papers transitioning to online. Reputation=key #editorchat

[21:19:51] JOHNABYRNE: So figuring out how to use smart phones in an interactive way is an important part of the future. #editorchat

[21:19:54] littlebrownpen: @womenkind I’ve wondered about People and their counterparts for quite awhile. #editorchat

[21:19:59] jimmcbee: @Dark_Faust fascinating. I’ve been wondering about that lately, but I’m out of that loop. #editorchat

[21:20:01] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool 1) tell the truth 2) tell it consistently #editorchat

[21:20:07] anndouglas: @littlebrownpen So well put! We’ve had it up to hear with the double-speak. We want fact-saturated journalism. #editorchat

[21:20:16] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: So figuring out how to use smart phones in an interactive way is an important part of the future. #editorchat

[21:20:14] enki09: @JanSimpson #editorchat writers do it for the exposure…websites keep the advertising money… I write on blogcritics

[21:20:25] marciamarcia: @edwardboches I think in terms of reader *learning* then work backwards to look at what of that #lrn they’ll pay for. #editorchat

[21:20:30] shirleybrady: @womenkind Hi Kristi! That’s why Time Inc. experimenting with mags on demand: https://www.timecmg.com/mine #editorchat

[21:20:36] knitnrun: @womenkind @kristoforlawson I think some will always be willing to pay for others to sift through the noise for them. #editorchat Lazy-easy

[21:20:47] JOHNABYRNE: @MaryKnudson That’s the role of an editor. #editorchat

[21:20:47] MightyCasey: @anndouglas Fact-saturated journalism – now THAT’S an offer! #editorchat

[21:20:52] edwardboches: @littlebrownpen #editorchat flight to quality from those who get it yes, maybe not the masses who seek news that reinforces their opinion

[21:20:54] LydiaBreakfast: Getting news on a smartphone is going to require a whole other style of reporting and writing #editorchat

[21:20:55] jenandtheart: @PDXsays It’s not a generational thing. There are 50 y.o.s who ‘get it,’ but what’s working about translating paper into online? #editorchat

[21:20:56] milehighfool: @dmac1 Breaking news is a loser’s game now, isn’t it? In tech, especially. (My beat as well.) #editorchat

[21:21:01] Dark_Faust: @kristoforlawson Very true. So print needs to be different. For my industry, that means longer deeper pieces – I hope. #editorchat

[21:21:08] secretsushi: Content cn now stand on it’s own as individual articles instead of a collective of work. How can segmenting content b leveraged? #editorchat

[21:21:11] mobienthusiast: Retweet @JOHNABYRNE: So figuring out how to use smart phones in an interactive way is an important part of the future. #editorchat #mobi

[21:21:09] PDXsays: @littlebrownpen I think you are right on the money there #editorchat

[21:21:10] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Getting news on a smartphone is going to require a whole other style of reporting and writing #editorchat

[21:21:30] PDXsays: @jenandtheart not a place for this debate…sry all #editorchat

[21:21:38] George_Williams: @mitchjoel #editorchat There are still some pieces completely missing from this discussion. Either that, or I haven’t seen them.

[21:21:46] AnotherBros: RT @edwardboches agree with John #editorchat, I was Creative Director for MPA for years, and also head an ad agency, print adv is over

[21:21:49] littlebrownpen: @edwardboches Very true. There is a lot of “confirming one’s own bias” #editorchat

[21:21:56] anndouglas: @milehighfool We now need a similar equity migration: for dollars to follow the migration of quality content. #editorchat

[21:21:56] BeckyDMBR: @dmac1 The point now, I believe, is not the “scoop.” It’s defining and explaining the news. #editorchat

[21:22:00] mitchjoel: I’d like to know people’s thoughts on aggregation and, as @jeffjarvis says, “do what you do best and link out to the rest” #editorchat.

[21:21:59] JOHNABYRNE: @dkemper They will thrive because publishers will have money to pay them. Google part is connecting customers with merchants. #editorchat

[21:22:02] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Twitter reporting? Twitporting? #editorchat

[21:22:04] fixin2: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Getting news on a smartphone is going to require a whole other style of reporting and writing #editorchat // true that!

[21:22:05] MightyCasey: @JDEbberly that’s the problem I have – I just can’t deal on my B’berry if it’s more than a breaking-news one-line headline #editorchat

[21:22:11] eclisham: Check out @stevebuttry to see an org that has completely decoupled information from packaging, whether print, web, cell, etc. #editorchat.

[21:22:16] motownmutt: RT @littlebrownpen A “flight to quality” is in effect. People are sick of spin, and hungry for journalism. (via #editorchat)

[21:22:21] PDXsays: @George_Williams yes, I agree.. and I was here for most of it #editorchat

[21:22:24] Dark_Faust: @jimmcbee It’s hard for good journs to resist corp pull. Pay is better, so are benefits. But it’s not the same as being independ #editorchat

[21:22:30] jennipps: @milehighfool Or some would call it “tworting.” #editorchat

[21:22:37] womenkind: Mass is over. Print has to re-gauge its expectations and re-engage a smaller audience. Advertisers will pay for quality readers. #editorchat

[21:22:47] JOHNABYRNE: @jeffjarvis True but there are a lot of other ideas that we’d be better at. #editorchat

[21:22:48] edwardboches: #editorchat i know some very very good journalists from balt sun who left sun to go into health care or other writing opps

[21:22:48] JDEbberly: @MightyCasey I know what you mean, same with my iPhone. #editorchat

[21:22:57] RBLevin: @soultravelers3 Ditto. I know several. Pay for bloggers stinks, in general. Far from $1/word, often free if no traffic. #editorchat

[21:23:05] mobienthusiast: @LydiaBreakfast BW is already doing that with http://businessweek.mobi, so are some other newsmags and local papers #editorchat #mobi

[21:23:22] CRBJ: @LydiaBreakfast Lots of our readers get our daily news product via smartphone. We say we make blackberries buzz. #editorchat (lurking)

[21:23:44] edwardboches: #editorchat @womenkind gets it. rethink focus, rethink content, rethink adding value,

[21:23:46] jimmcbee: @Dark_Faust public interest journalism may become a hobby. Have had that thought in my mind for awhile. #editorchat

[21:23:49] fixin2: RT @jennipps: @milehighfool Or some would call it “tworting.” // or retworting. 🙂 #editorchat

[21:23:57] kristoforlawson: @pocobw – very true. Thats why papers need to do what their good at. In-depth journalism. They can’t be the latest news anymore. #editorchat

[21:24:10] womenkind: @motownmutt Yeah, we could have used some journalism during WMD spin. Woodward? Bernstein? #editorchat

[21:24:17] BarbaraHoward: RT: @motownmutt RT @littlebrownpen A “flight to quality” is in effect. People are sick of spin, and hungry for journalism. (via #editorchat)

[21:24:21] RBLevin: The old new thing. These chats are no diff than IRC circa 1988. #editorchat

[21:24:25] jennipps: RT @edwardboches #editorchat @womenkind gets it. rethink focus, rethink content, rethink adding value, #editorchat

[21:24:26] JOHNABYRNE: There will be many Born to the Web enterprises over the next few years that will teach the mainstream media a thing or two. #editorchat

[21:24:52] hriefs: @JOHNABYRNE In your estimation, what went wrong with the Chicago-focused edition of BW that had a short life? #editorchat

[21:24:55] tweditor: I look forward to the Dallas Morning News’ first tweet of the day. But not because it’s the DMN. I love it ‘cuz it’s snarky. #editorchat

[21:25:04] Dark_Faust: @jimmcbee I worry that the average person will have less avenues to truthful reporting. That politicans and big bus take over. #editorchat

[21:25:04] PDXsays: @RBLevin yes.. recall those.. ur correct, sir #editorchat

[21:25:14] MightyCasey: @kristoforlawson breaking news is best left to vid outlets – I look for more flavor from print. Plain burger vs. porterhouse #editorchat

[21:25:16] StevePR104: Question: if AP exists through subscription fees, those fees aren’t paid, what happens to AP? And what happens to coverage? #editorchat

[21:25:16] jennipps: @fixin2 “Retworting” is better. 🙂 #editorchat

[21:25:20] pontific8: I hope he’s right: RT @JOHNABYRNE I think hyper-local sites have a good future and that should mean more community journalism. #editorchat

[21:25:18] JOHNABYRNE: You already have a good group of them, showing us the way from the HuffPo to GigaOm to Drudge, TechCrunch, GreenBiz, Politico. #editorchat

[21:25:19] malouie: RT @JOHNABYRNE It’s a very different competitive world. #editorchat (agree, you’ve a great web/print balance at BusinessWeek)

[21:25:22] fixin2: How do we change the mindsets of those who don’t quite get where we’re headed? #editorchat

[21:25:26] jimmcbee: rt @JOHNABYRNE There will be many Born to the Web enterprises over the next few years that will teach the msm a thing or 2 #editorchat

[21:25:27] jenandtheart: @PDXsays I think this is exactly the place for this debate. This is unsolved b/c the editorial heirarchy is based on age #editorchat

[21:25:29] littlebrownpen: @RBLevin Agree. My first job out of college in 1999 was as a “community builder.” Goal? Increase page views and drive traffic. #editorchat

[21:25:32] winequester: @JOHNABYRNE It would be a step in the right direction for you to figure out that other media is available for editorials. #editorchat

[21:25:41] BeckyDMBR: @womenkind There were plenty of voices out there … just not MSM. #editorchat

[21:25:42] IPStrategist: @JOHNABYRNE Tried 2 cancel NYT home sub recently. Talked out of when given 1/2 price ($13/month) Me: someone has to pay 4 news. #editorchat

[21:25:43] aflyonthewall: RT @jennipps: RT@miltoncontact-most comprehensive tool for bldg community not technology itself but proactive key individuals #editorchat

[21:25:47] milehighfool: Killjoy warning. About six minutes left. Last question and then re-intros and a link if you’d like. #editorchat

[21:25:48] TMFZahrim: @RBLevin Except more public than IRC. No need to login to some server or channel; world is listening #editorchat

[21:25:50] MimiAndelman: I console myself knowing that “news” will never go out of business. Nor “talk,” but that’s another story. #editorchat

[21:25:53] dmac1: @milehighfool @BeckyDMBR Analysis more important than scoop, yes, but also giving reader incentive to seek out your analysis #editorchat

[21:25:53] secretsushi: @StevePR104 agreed. So differentiation is essential. Bloggers cant cover what an established news agency can… yet. #editorchat

[21:25:53] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE Many Born to the Web enterprises over the next few years that will teach the mainstream media a thing or two. #editorchat

[21:26:06] JOHNABYRNE: @fixin2 I’m afraid you won’t have to. There time is limited. They’ll be gone before you know it. #editorchat

[21:26:08] AlbertMaruggi: @mitchjoel aggregation path leads us to Netvibes and iGoogle as newspapers, I can make 10 local education widgets a day #editorchat

[21:26:17] jenwakefield: @johnabyrne ask how many people are reading/participating on a smartphone…i am. while at an nba game. #editorchat

[21:26:20] winequester: @winequester Telling me to filter this thread out means I have to learn something on two apps that I don’t need with others. #editorchat

[21:26:24] jenandtheart: New solutions don’t come from the same people or the same questions. And in a failing media economy… #editorchat

[21:26:33] jimmcbee: @Dark_Faust that process has been taking place for awhile. Maybe industry’s convulsions will shake that up. #editorchat

[21:26:34] FromCarl: @JOHNABYRNE Born to the Web will always have a lot to offer. Converts can add insight, too. #editorchat

[21:26:42] LydiaBreakfast: Tweeps we’d like to remind you that this session is nearly over. Tweet rapidly to get your last thoughts in #editorchat

[21:26:55] Dark_Faust: @dmac1 Readers are bombarded online. No filter in place. Look for continuing advances in that area. #editorchat

[21:26:57] leanneclc: What consumers want is smart media – stop dumbing it down. If it’s smart, informative and probative we will pay #editorchat

[21:27:04] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Tweeps we’d like to remind you that this session is nearly over. Tweet rapidly to get your last thoughts in #editorchat

[21:27:04] MightyCasey: @PDXsays @JOHNABYRNE web enterprises have already completely changed news delivery – the trusted-source piece is their challenge #editorchat

[21:27:23] marciamarcia: New solutions don’t come from the same people or the same questions. And in a failing media economy… via @jenandtheart #editorchat

[21:27:28] AlbertMaruggi: I believe people will pay for content, however I subscribed to Foreign Affairs and Christian Science Monitor, so I’m strange #editorchat

[21:27:28] milehighfool: @dmac1 I think sccops are still massively important. Event-driven breaking news? That’s for the AP, Reuters, Bloomberg. #editorchat

[21:27:29] secretsushi: – @JOHNABYRNE creating community around content is an attractive factors. Fostering discussions. #editorchat

[21:27:40] KathrynHallPR: RT JOHNABYRNE There will b many Born 2 Web enterprises over the next few yrs that will teach the mainstream media a thing or 2. #editorchat

[21:27:44] konadad: RT @leanneclc: What consumers want is smart media – stop dumbing it down. If it’s smart, informative and probative we will pay #editorchat

[21:27:54] PatBitton: Sorry, forgot all about it – too involved in work! #editorchat

[21:27:58] Dark_Faust: @LydiaBreakfast Is that the next stage for Twitter? 140 char limit as well as a 10 sec time limit per tweet? 🙂 #editorchat

[21:28:00] paradisekitten: @MightyCasey very apt food analogy- ha! #editorchat

[21:28:16] shirleybrady: @milehighfool Maybe John could answer any remaining Q’s as add-on to Web transcript? Online extra! 🙂 #editorchat

[21:28:16] littlebrownpen: RT @leanneclc What consumers want is smart media – stop dumbing it down. If it’s smart, informative and probative we will pay #editorchat

[21:28:19] GuaranteedGF: In one window I’m following serious discussion #editorchat, and then that link from the Onion comes in – what a disconnect!

[21:28:30] dmac1: @JOHNABYRNE What better proof of blogs coming of age than Obama’s press conferences, where Politico and others in the mix #editorchat

[21:28:30] RBLevin: @TMFZahrim True. Easier GUI. But no more social than 1988. Social media isn’t new. What’s new is everyone doing it. #editorchat

[21:28:36] JOHNABYRNE: One last thought, unless you have a few last questions. #editorchat

[21:28:37] StevePR104: @AlbertMaruggi but Al, who produces the content? Who checks it for accuracy and content? No answer, jes’ axin. #editorchat

[21:28:37] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool I have been sorely disappointed in the quality of breaking news from those sources of late. #editorchat

[21:28:39] MightyCasey: @littlebrownpen thanks – haven’t had dinner yet, have food on the brain! #editorchat

[21:28:43] karenauby: @dmac1 I wonder if there is also issues with “facts” in the rush to get a scoop. or maybe just the effect of overworked journos #editorchat

[21:28:43] MimiAndelman: The “Twitterview”? I draw the line. #editorchat

[21:28:51] fixin2: Thanks for letting me jump in the stream tonite, folks! Gotta run! #editorchat

[21:28:53] mobienthusiast: Thanks for the great #editorchat, headed for conference call – pls send me links to your mobile news sites for directory

[21:28:54] AlbertMaruggi: @jenwakefield what’s the score of the game? that’s citizen sports journalism #editorchat

[21:29:01] JOHNABYRNE: Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat

[21:29:06] LydiaBreakfast: Two minute warning tweeps. Re-introduce yourselves and let’s thank our guest. #editorchat

[21:29:12] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: One last thought, unless you have a few last questions. #editorchat

[21:29:23] RBLevin: @laflures How so? I type, others type, I read, others read, scrolling UI. Experience prettier, but functionally the same. #editorchat

[21:29:23] JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had access to so many tools to perform their jobs more creatively than now. #editorchat

[21:29:24] KathrynHallPR: RT @JOHNABYRNE U already have a gd gp of them, showing the way from HuffPo to GigaOm to Drudge, TechCrunch, GreenBiz, Politico. #editorchat

[21:29:25] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Readers can get breaking new from Twitter. Follow-up? Verification? That should come from journalists. #editorchat

[21:29:31] LydiaBreakfast: @JOHNABYRNE I agree it is great to be a part of the change. #editorchat

[21:29:39] milehighfool: @shirleybrady Yes. The transcript will be live at editorchat.wordpress.com and we’d be happy to have Q & A there. #editorchat

[21:29:48] MightyCasey: @JOHNABYRNE that’s why BW.com is such a great destination for biz news – you’re embracing it rather than whining! #editorchat

[21:29:49] rauch22: RT @JOHNABYRNE Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat

[21:29:52] JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had the advantage of having their own printing presses to do their own thing. #editorchat

[21:29:53] jennipps: RT @JOHNABYRNE Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat

[21:30:00] DoreenatDMS: @JOHNABYRNE i joined here too late; but will read feed; glad you mentioned the word *journalism* #editorchat

[21:30:01] PDXsays: @jenandtheart ur behind the times a bit… welcome to Obama Country #editorchat

[21:30:04] AlbertMaruggi: @StevePR104 you are right, it is a labor intensive effort. A good editor saves a poor journalist’s butt every time #editorchat

[21:30:08] BeckyDMBR: @dmac1 Yeah, that was interesting, wasn’t it? Funny thing for me? Not so many female faces in the crowd. Was it just me? #editorchat

[21:30:12] JOHNABYRNE: We spent too much time whining about the changes out there and not enough time taking advantage of new opportunities. #editorchat

[21:30:15] TMFZahrim: Anders Bylund, Motley Fool and Ars Technica writer. Great chat tonight, thanks @JOHNABYRNE and gang #editorchat

[21:30:18] MimiAndelman: Good one. Optimistic. Thanks @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat

[21:30:19] JDEbberly: I’m JD Ebberly and I heartily thank you very much for all your insights, John Byrne. I am very grateful! #editorchat

[21:30:28] fixin2: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat // I totally agree!

[21:30:28] knitnrun: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had access to so many tools to perform their jobs more creatively than now. #editorchat

[21:30:38] dmac1: @Dark_Faust For filters, check out what Gabe Rivera is doing. If he builds a Techmeme for general news, I might not buy the NYT #editorchat

[21:30:41] JOHNABYRNE: You can become an entrepreneur. You can engage your readers as true partners. You can change the very nature of journalism. #editorchat

[21:30:43] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Good point. Often it’s put out there for free … but, yeah. There’s the opportunity. #editorchat

[21:30:48] KathrynHallPR: RT @JOHNABYRNE Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat [Go, John!]

[21:30:49] StevePR104: @JOHNABYRNE John, without the means to monetize, it relegates journalism to a passion/hobby. Not a reliable source of news. #editorchat

[21:30:54] chrisgrayson: @JOHNABYRNE – looks a lot like the music industry #editorchat

[21:31:00] katieratcliffe: I’m katie ratcliffe in Japan. also thanks for insights! #editorchat

[21:31:02] marciamarcia: Never before have [any of us] had access to so many tools to perform our jobs more creatively than now. PRT @johnabyrne #editorchat

[21:31:05] JOHNABYRNE: That’s all very exciting and challenging. Opportunity exists when things are growing or when they’re falling apart. #editorchat

[21:31:07] jenandtheart: @PDXsays I’m in Mexico. #editorchat

[21:31:08] jimware: RT @JOHNABYRNE Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat

[21:31:09] Dark_Faust: @JOHNABYRNE Actually, what every household will have in the near future is a print press to download RSSs and print w coffee. #editorchat

[21:31:10] eclisham: Elaine Clisham, Newspaper Next evangelist. Thanks for the great discussion! #editorchat.

[21:31:11] MightyCasey: wow – used Tweetchat for the first time tonite for #editorchat. Sorry I didn’t use it before!!

[21:31:19] rachelcw: hates getting home late on Wednesdays and missing #editorchat

[21:31:22] jennipps: Re-intro: Jen, fl writer in S Oklahoma, spec. in writing, creativity, freelancing, & plus-size issues. Writer @ TutorialBlog.org #editorchat

[21:31:22] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Agreed. Tough as it is out there, it may be a great time to be a freelancer. Good ideas sell. #editorchat

[21:31:28] secretsushi: Retweeting @JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had access to so many tools to perform their jobs more creatively than now #editorchat

[21:31:29] LDinSTL_Chimera: @johnabyrne How many major editors tweet like you do–interactively? #editorchat

[21:31:30] JDEbberly: Also like to express my thankful gratitude to @LydiaBreakfast and @milehighfool and everyone for this educational chat. #editorchat

[21:31:31] jimmcbee: Thx to @JOHNABYRNE for rollicking good convo from Jim McBee: http://smartnewsnc.com We have freelance content to sell. #editorchat

[21:31:37] secretsushi: Retweeting @JOHNABYRNE: Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat

[21:31:36] shirleybrady: @milehighfool Got it, thx, Tim: please email any add’l Q’s to John after this; great chat + ideas from all! #editorchat

[21:31:44] marciamarcia: Opportunity exists when things are growing or when they’re falling apart. via @johnabyrne #editorchat

[21:31:45] jeffkart: @JOHNABYRNE good conversation. thanks for starting (if you did) #editorchat

[21:31:50] CRBJ: @JOHNABYRNE That’s well said. I’m pinning those comments to our newsroom wall. #editorchat

[21:31:51] jennipps: @MightyCasey I love Tweetchat. 🙂 #editorchat

[21:32:06] milehighfool: RT @JOHNABYRNE Opportunity exists when things are growing or when they’re falling apart. #editorchat

[21:32:04] Willowbottom: Thanks very much @Johnabyrne for the fantastic conversation. Very much enjoyed it. #editorchat

[21:32:09] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool We need to figure out a better system for connecting good writers and good editors, no? #editorchat

[21:32:10] seanmj: Sean Johnson, TA for magazine editing classes at BYU. Lots of good insights tonight to share with students. Thanks. #editorchat #editorchat

[21:32:16] kristoforlawson: one day we will wake up, check news online, watch tv for the same content, go buy a paper and wonder why. ohh thats today.. #editorchat

[21:32:18] leanneclc: Really great discussion and nice group to meet tonight. Thanks @johnabyrne and #editorchat

[21:32:24] littlebrownpen: RT @JOHNABYRNE Opportunity exists when things are growing or when they’re falling apart. #editorchat

[21:32:34] jennipps: @JOHNABYRNE Thank you for being here and holding a very interesting conversation. #editorchat

[21:32:43] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE Opportunity exists when things are growing or when they’re falling apart. #editorchat

[21:32:47] bob_bobala: Bob Bobala, former editor-in-chief of The Motley Fool and editorial director at Intuit. Thanks for the chat tonight. See ya soon #editorchat

[21:32:50] JOHNABYRNE: @littlebrownpen Yes! #editorchat

[21:32:52] kristoforlawson: @JOHNABYRNE – all it takes is people with a vision for how the industry must progress. #editorchat

[21:32:58] suntimessports: Thanks for the interesting discussion, #editorchat – Craig Newman at the Chicago Sun-Times (@suntimes) here. Look forward to next chat.

[21:33:04] milehighfool: So, tweeps, reminder: if you have additonal questions send them to me or @LydiaBreakfast. Thanks much. #editorchat

[21:33:08] PDXsays: I *love* you guys… thanks for being who you are #editorchat

[21:33:10] pattyhuntington: RT @JOHNABYRNE: You can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. How many Madoff pleads guilty stories can anyone read. #editorchat

[21:33:17] DoreenatDMS: via @JOHNABYRNE: Never..have journalists had advtge of having theirown printg presses 2 do theirownthing #editorchat (distributionchannel 2)

[21:33:21] JOHNABYRNE: Thanks everyone for joining tonight. I’m off to the gym. #editorchat

[21:33:24] a2editor: Re-intro: Laura Cowan, freelance editor and writer working in book publishing and automotive media. Nice to see you all! #editorchat

[21:33:31] edwardboches: let’s hope we figure it out. the world needs great journalists, great editors and great content #editorchat

[21:33:44] George_Williams: @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat Why not combine the authoritative content with solid local SEO and really help local businesses – get business. more

[21:33:53] kristoforlawson: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Opportunity exists when things are growing or when they’re falling apart. #editorchat

[21:33:58] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Thanks very much, John. Great chat tonight. #editorchat

[21:34:00] LydiaBreakfast: @JOHNABYRNE Thanks so much John. #editorchat

[21:34:02] littlebrownpen: @JOHNABYRNE Well, perhaps there’s a business opportunity in there somewhere. Thanks for the great chat! #editorchat

[21:34:10] AlbertMaruggi: great conversation John, see you on blipFM :>) #editorchat

[21:34:10] lancegodard: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had the advantage of having their own printing presses to do their own thing. #editorchat

[21:34:14] pontific8: @JOHNABYRNE enjoyed your side of this chat. Were there any other sides? Seemed more like a monologue than an #editorchat – very few @s.

[21:34:27] knitnrun: RT @Dark_Faust Actually, what every household will have in the near future is a print press to download RSSs & print w coffee #editorchat

[21:34:30] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Thanks for the chat tonight! #editorchat

[21:34:37] seanmj: Thanks @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat

[21:34:42] jenandtheart: Jennifer Leslie. On a 2up 1976 motorcycle speeding through the universe to Argentina; a blogger. #editorchat

[21:34:48] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had the advantage of having their own printing presses to do their own thing #editorchat

[21:35:06] George_Williams: @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat And I don’t mean from only the newspaper site. @mitchjoel you can see where I’m headed with this.

[21:35:09] jenandtheart: @JOHNABYRNE Thanks for the sagely Yoda advice. #editorchat

[21:35:26] jennipps: Quite an interesting #editorchat tonight. Check my favorites & retweets for some of the highlights if you missed it.

[21:35:28] KathrynHallPR: RT @JOHNABYRNE That’s all very exciting and challenging. Opportunity exists when things are growing or when falling apart. #editorchat

[21:35:36] paradisekitten: ‘Neither fish nor fowl said the wise old owl could love you any more than I do’–editorchat, tweetchat and the {{{FUTURE}}} #editorchat

[21:35:40] StevePR104: @AlbertMaruggi and in the NWO, who will edit the bloggers/tweeters? Who will provide the perspective? That scares me. #editorchat

[21:35:43] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool As always, thanks to you and @LydiaBreakfast! #editorchat

[21:35:44] ATLCheap: Re-intro: Jennifer Maciejewski, ATL-based writer & blogger. Experimenting w/ entreprenuerial journalism w/ CitiesOnTheCheap.com #editorchat

[21:35:57] journalistics: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat

[21:35:57] jenwakefield: @albertmaruggi 61 v 48 magic! 6 left in q3 #editorchat

[21:36:00] cArtPhotography: @JOHNABYRNE I enjoyed listening / reading you. Thanks. #editorchat

[21:36:10] konadad: @JOHNABRYNE Thanks, John. Wish more eds-in-chief were as accessible as you. #editorchat

[21:36:10] calvin_s: RT @JOHNABYRNE: You can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. How many Madoff pleads guilty stories can anyone read. #editorchat

[21:36:32] GinaLaGuardia: RT @edwardboches: let’s hope we figure it out. the world needs great journalists, great editors and great content #editorchat

[21:36:32] secretsushi: RT @JOHNABYRNE: You can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. How many Madoff pleads guilty stories can anyone read. #editorchat

[21:36:34] lolmarkwell: RT @kristoforlawson: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Opportunity exists when things are growing or when they’re falling apart. #editorchat

[21:36:36] ATLCheap: “entrepreneurial” even, sheesh. #editorchat

[21:36:36] shirleybrady: @pontific8 This went fast! Perhaps John can respond to individual points in the follow-up transcript for the #editorchat blog?

[21:36:40] kristoforlawson: thanks for the chat everyone!! Love to see how journalism needs to change, now we just need to be the change. #editorchat

[21:36:41] JDEbberly: RT @konadad: @JOHNABRYNE Thanks, John. Wish more eds-in-chief were as accessible as you. #editorchat

[21:36:48] LydiaBreakfast: Tweeps, if you want to send questions to John send to me or @milehighfool #editorchat

[21:36:48] milehighfool: Thanks for joining. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, co-founder of this weekly chat with @LydiaBreakfast. #editorchat

[21:36:52] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat

[21:37:26] secretsushi: @JOHNABYRNE commodities journalism. Thats a great term to remember. As w/ any biz… differentiation s key. #editorchat

[21:37:26] LydiaBreakfast: Transcript of the chat will be available tomorrow at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:37:32] GinaLaGuardia: @JOHNABYRNE Amazing commentary tonight. Thank you very much! #editorchat

[21:37:33] AYoungOne: @sonnygill great. was able to follow @johnbyrne and get some great info re: jour. biz. #editorchat

[21:37:40] ThomScott: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had the advantage of having their own printing presses to do their own thing. #editorchat

[21:37:43] Dark_Faust: It’s interesting to parallel the collapse/transition of journs with a similar process taking place at universities. #editorchat

[21:37:57] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Transcript of the chat will be available tomorrow at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:38:02] littlebrownpen: Night everyone. Nichole Robertson, freelance writer, Copy Director #editorchat

[21:38:20] LydiaBreakfast: Thanls for coming everyone Lydia Dishman, Freelance journalist co-founder of #editorchat #editorchat

[21:38:34] shirleybrady: @milehighfool @lydiabreakfast & everyone on #editorchat (incl. my BW tweeps who popped by) – really enjoyed, to be continued! Thank you. 🙂

[21:38:50] Dark_Faust: Not sure that the online phenomena will give back as much as it takes. But the genie is out of the bottle, so a moot point. #editorchat

[21:39:08] AlbertMaruggi: @jenwakefield Ok and who are the Magic playing? just being an editor here how appropriate :>) #editorchat

[21:39:13] JDEbberly: May be able to read some of the transcript here http://twemes.com/editorchat #editorchat

[21:39:16] SCM64: Is just watching, new to this – need a study guide! #editorchat

[21:39:58] DoreenatDMS: RT @JDEbberly: May be able to read some of the transcript here http://twemes.com/editorchat #editorchat

[21:40:12] Dark_Faust: @MaryKnudson Wow. Thats a good question. Since I’m not in the newspaper bus, I really don’t know. #editorchat

[21:40:18] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks very much, Lydia & Tim. Another terrific event! Great that John could join us. #editorchat

[21:40:28] digiphile: @milehighfool Thanks to you and @JohnABryne for the live Q&A tonight on #digitaljournalism |https://editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:40:45] MaryKnudson: MaryKnudson@Dark_Faust OK for news operations 2 b run by non profit orgs but not OK for nwspaprs 2 become NP for ethics reasns? #editorchat

[21:41:20] secretsushi: Retweeting @LydiaBreakfast: Transcript of the chat will be available tomorrow at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:41:27] sbasista: @JOHNABYRNE I wasn’t part of #editorchat, but i thought your insight was so interesting

[21:42:11] LydiaBreakfast: If you want to continue the discussion head over to the blog at editorchat.wordpress.com ask a question, comment, keep talking. #editorchat

[21:42:29] PDXsays: @littlebrownpen glad to have found you to follow #editorchat

[21:42:57] PDXsays: @LydiaBreakfast Glad to have found you to follow #editorchat

[21:42:58] paulTbanks: hey everybody, i have a question: what’s this #editorchat thing? any info? thanks!

[21:43:01] hotspringer: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Transcript of tonight’s chat will be available tomorrow at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:43:04] kishizuka: Perusing #editorchat.

[21:43:33] seanmj: RT @JOHNABYRNE Never before have journalists had access to so many tools to perform their jobs more creatively than now. #editorchat

[21:43:38] VMaryAbraham: @marciamarcia So then, where do the new solutions come from? Is it just serendipity? Or is there a method we can follow? #editorchat

[21:43:38] LydiaBreakfast: @PDXsays Thanks! Glad you joined us 🙂 #editorchat

[21:43:53] LydiaBreakfast: @paulTbanks editorchat.wordpress.com for info #editorchat

[21:44:22] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE Never before have journalists had access to so many tools to perform their jobs more creatively than now. #editorchat

[21:44:50] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: newspapers and magazines #editorchat… change will happen, necessarily & drastically, w/an eye to preservation & heritage..

[21:45:17] VMaryAbraham: @JOHNABYRNE But it takes an unusual person to see opportunity in the midst of turmoil. #editorchat

[21:46:02] dkemper: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had access to so many tools to perform their jobs more creatively than now. #editorchat

[21:46:51] JDEbberly: @JOHNABYRNE But it takes an unusual person to see opportunity in the midst of turmoil. #editorchat

[21:46:58] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content…. #editorchat… I disagree, they will pay to support an institution…

[21:47:08] jenwakefield: @lydiabreakfast awesome job on #editorchat

[21:47:18] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: The upshot: Nothing less than radical transformation is necessary to succeed in the future. #editorchat… absolutely!

[21:47:45] TMFZahrim: #editorchat Summary of the users who submitted the last 500 posts tonight, FWIW: http://dintur.net/editorchat.html

[21:48:02] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: The upshot: Nothing less than radical transformation is necessary to succeed in the future. #editorchat

[21:48:12] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: So they cling to the hope that print advertising will come back. #editorchat… print is not lost, I believe in preservation
[21:48:33] jasonaverbook: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Ultimately, I think local newspapers can only largely survive if they become local Googles. #editorchat

[21:48:55] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: He maintains that within three years, there will be a media boom. #editorchat… there is a current & continual ‘media boom’

[21:50:57] VMaryAbraham: @amandachapel If so, let’s hope there are lots of drunks and fools to lead us out of the economic quagmire. #editorchat

[21:51:34] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Right now, though, it’s hard to imagine us having a media boom… #editorchat there is a way for all modes to exist toge …

[21:51:38] BetsyHubbard: Great discussion on #editorchat tonight . Featured guest @JOHNABYRNE , ed of BusinessWeek.com (hence all my RTs) @OSUKips

[21:53:07] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE print’ll die in near future, we wont have paper. We’ll have a thin, flexible LCD, wireless, and can write on it. #editorchat

[21:54:31] monicagagnier: What’s great about @johnbyrne‘s tweets is they’re so honest. Did you catch his #editorchat? Many managers aren’t being authentic on Twitter

[21:55:04] JDEbberly: This has been Editorchat on 3.25.09 with @JohnAByrne as guest. It was one of the best Editorchats ever! 🙂 #editorchat

[21:55:28] paulTbanks: @LydiaBreakfast thanks. intriguing discussion. #editorchat

[21:55:54] VMaryAbraham: @amandachapel Nope, it was garden-variety greedy humans who thought they were masters of the universe who led us into this mess.#editorchat

[21:57:13] wingspouse: Got in late. I write on topics for executive wives and other women’s topics. #editorchat

[21:57:44] fredneil2: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had access to so many tools to perform their jobs more creatively than now. #editorchat

[21:58:16] jtlongandco: @JDEbberly RT This has been Editorchat on 3.25.09 with @JohnAByrne as guest. It was one of the best Editorchats ever! 🙂 #editorchat

[21:59:43] George_Williams: #editorchat How fast do you think businesses would run to advertise in the newspaper if it could produce measurable results for them? Zoom!

[22:08:33] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: You can become an entrepreneur. You can engage your readers as true partners. … . #editorchat… can & WILL

[22:09:37] lyricessence: RT @JOHNABYRNE: 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat

[22:10:46] lyricessence: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Problem is, most people in media cling to those three absolutes as if they are white lies and don’t change. #editorchat

[22:10:50] lyricessence: RT @JOHNABYRNE: So they cling to the hope that print advertising will come back. #editorchat

[22:12:26] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: You can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. #editorchat indeed, you need to bring passion & news, meaning ‘new’

[22:13:04] lyricessence: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Transformation is really hard and painful. That’s why a lot of players aren’t going to make it. #editorchat

[22:14:24] shotgunconcepts: synopsis of my thoughts for #editorchat http://tinyurl.com/d9tbwo @JOHNABYRNE

[22:17:13] lyricessence: @amandachapel this came from @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat

[22:23:38] Gents: @JOHNABYRNE Is there some way to string these responses together? Lost of good stuff here I’d like to read in depth. #editorchat

[22:27:04] lisasepiphany: RT@amandachapel:@lisasepiphany “@JOHNABYRNE You can become an entrepreneur #editorchat” U can & WILL be poor-what is it that YOU’re selling?

[22:38:14] dodgemedlin: @gents Two options: search.twitter.com, search for #editorchat. Or (probably better) go to http://tweetchat.com/room/editorchat

[22:41:12] JDEbberly: RT @dodgemedlin: @gents Two options: search.twitter.com, search for #editorchat. Or (probably better) go to http://tweetchat.com/room/ed

[22:42:09] RUSEthemagazine: Enjoying the chat in #editorchat … good stuff

[22:42:18] JDEbberly: Regarding my last transmission, the room to go to is http://tweetchat.com/room/editorchat #editorchat

[22:42:21] mitchjoel: Do you think journalists have what it takes to make the digital transition? Add your thoughts here: http://is.gd/oZTJ (#editorchat)

[22:42:38] chuckdensinger: Kudos to BW’s @JOHNABYRNE for his #editorchat forums. Brilliant use of Twitter.

[22:46:08] MelyMello: Yes please! RT@edwardboches: let’s hope we figure it out. the world needs great journalists, great editors and great content #editorchat

[22:46:46] evelynso: RT @mitchjoel: Do u think journalists have what it takes to make the digital transition? Add thoughts here: http://is.gd/oZTJ (#editorchat)

[22:55:37] maragulens: RT @mitchjoel Do… journalists have what it takes to make the digital transition? … http://is.gd/oZTJ (#editorchat)

#editorchat

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Written by LydiaBreakfast

March 27, 2009 at 2:52 am

John A. Byrne guest moderates #editorchat 3-25

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As you know, John Byrne is the editor-in-chief of BusinessWeek.com and a digital journalism advocate.  As such, he’s amassed quite a following on Twitter and has been instrumental in the success of BusinessWeek’s reader engagement.  We are thrilled to be able to draw on his expertise with aggregating user content for this edition of #editorchat. 

Some of the questions that may be discussed tonight with him at the helm include:

What does the process of aggregating user content mean for writers and editors?
 
You often tweet about user-generated story ideas. How important are blogs and user comments in generating topics?
Should editors rely on social media to provide a gauge to determine the popularity of a story?
There was some talk on Twitter yesterday about an MSNBC story http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29796962/ originating from a blog post, yet the journalist never linked back or sourced that original post.  How closely are editors monitoring writers’ sources for this type of story?
What due diligence steps should writers and editors take when turning to readers and the broader Web community for content?

Does community-driven news and narrative mean the end of the static story? And if so, is that a problem of opportunity for publishers?

Will community content require more or less staff? Will publishers need more writers? Will newsrooms need more reporters? Will any of them want more freelancers?

What has been the pay-off of using social media?
 
Does it inform the processes of journalism, traffic, buzz, even customer service?

 
What media brands do you think get it (are you learning from)?
 

Any mistakes you’ve made or lessons you have learned along the way?

We may not have time to hit all of these questions, but we sure hope you’ll join us for what is sure to be a lively discussion.  As always, Tim and I will be on hand to keep things flowing smoothly.  If you have any suggestions or questions, send them to us here.

NEWS: John Byrne of BusinessWeek to guest host Editorchat

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We are thrilled to announce that John Byrne, Executive Editor, BusinessWeek and Editor-in-Chief of BusinessWeek.com, will be our very first guest host for #editorchat this Wednesday, March 25, from 8-9:30 pm eastern. More details to come but, in the meantime, see below for John’s bio and mark your calendars. This is the #editorchat you really don’t want to miss.

John A. Byrne Editor-in-Chief of BusinessWeek
John A. Byrne

John A. Byrne is the executive editor and editor-in-chief of BusinessWeek.com. In this role, Mr. Byrne is responsible for the editorial operations of BusinessWeek.com and guides the further integration and collaboration between the print and online editorial staffs. Prior to this, he was the executive editor for the print publication since 2005.

Previously, Mr. Byrne was editor-in-chief of Fast Company magazine. He joined Fast Company in April 2003, succeeding founding editors Alan Webber and Bill Taylor, where he worked to reinvent the business magazine. Before joining Fast Company, he worked for BusinessWeek for nearly 18 years, most recently holding the position of Senior Writer and writing a record 57 cover stories for the magazine. His articles have explored the fairness of executive pay, the folly of management fads, and the governance of major corporations. Mr. Byrne developed the idea of a monthly best-sellers list and launched annual editorial franchises including the industry-leading business school rankings, the best and worst corporate boards, and BusinessWeek’s yearly ranking of the most generous philanthropists.

Mr. Byrne is the author of eight books on business, leadership, and management. His latest book, published Sept. 11, 2001 by Warner Books, is Jack: Straight from the Gut, his highly anticipated collaboration with former General Electric Co. CEO Jack Welch. The book debuted at the very top of The New York Times bestseller list. Byrne has written or co-authored seven other books, including Chainsaw (HarperCollins, 1999), the behind-the-scenes story of Al Dunlap’s rise and fall as a business celebrity. The book received widespread acclaim. Publishers Weekly called the book a “blistering saga” and a “sizzling tale.” The Street.com said Chainsaw “should be required reading in all business and accounting schools.”

Byrne’s other books include: Informed Consent (McGraw-Hill, 1995); The Headhunters (MacMillan, 1986); Odyssey (Harper & Row, 1987), the business biography of former Apple Computer chairman John Sculley; and The Whiz Kids (Currency/Doubleday, 1993), which explored the life and times of ten Army Air Force officers who helped to remake the Ford Motor Co. in the post-war period. Managment guru Tom Peters called the book “an important milestone in American management analysis. Warren Bennis has said the book is “the best history of American business from World War II to the present.” Byrne also wrote BusinessWeek’s Guide to the Best Business Schools (McGraw-Hill, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1995, and 1997) and co-wrote BusinessWeek’s Guide to the Best Executive Education Programs (McGraw-Hill, 1992).

Mr. Byrne has a master’s in journalism from the University of Missouri and an undergraduate degree in English and political science from William Paterson College.

Written by LydiaBreakfast

March 24, 2009 at 9:38 pm

In which we discuss bridging another divide – that of the $$ variety

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Tim (@milehighfool) and I were talking after a tweet I sent out this morning, musing on what makes a professional writer work for little or no pay.

NOTE: Professional = a writer with a solid portfolio of clips, not just starting out.

Plenty of tweeps were quick to respond to this issue that we’ve touched on in previous chats, and one that I discussed in depth in my blog post, “What Price Freedom? Another ~F~ Word: Fees.”

Here’s a sampling of what they said:

@TankaBar_Linda: Hubris and overwhelming desire for an audience. Sort of like comedians. Many of my writer friends are taking work overseas. Voracious market for U.S. writers and rates are outstanding.
(Really? Like Reverse outsourcing? Where can we find said work?)

@stephauteri: Desperation? I’d do it to break into a publication I really loved. One with perpetually low rates, like Bitch or Bust.
(Hear that editrixes of Bitch and Bust? Ms. Auteri wants to work for you!)

@Alexandrialeigh: Um…desperation? Working at a discount for a charitable organization?
(Great minds…err…pens tweet alike).

@stephauteri: Then there are those writers who don’t know their own worth, and/or don’t believe they can command higher rates.
(Yet another example of how insecurity never gets us anywhere.)

@OurManinSH: My feeling is that they love the writing and justify the fact that at least they got something for the article. Not all writers are savvy when it comes to marketing themselves…
(No kidding – it is almost another whole job in and of itself)

@anniegirl1138 define “pittance.” No one’s paying in the ‘sphere, so I write for the “glory” of it all.

(Stumbled across submission requirements for an online magazine. $50 for 1000 word feature with research and multiple sources. When does glory give way to reality of bill paying?)

@anniegirl1138: Glory sucks. 1000 words for $50? Plus research? I’ll pass. I just blog. It’s fun. My “real” stuff? Not quite done. Soon.

@bob_bobala: That’s really swimming up stream. I think you have to be creative about it. Have enough work that pays for the good stuff. It is a tragedy that the best writing often pays the least money, no? Today, I am writing tax content. God help me.

In the spirit of keeping the discussion going, as well as perhaps creating a vehicle to help writers and editors get a feel for what different markets are like in terms of fees, we’d like to follow our chat about the digital divide with a discussion of the pay divide.

How do you go from making peanuts to a living wage?

Who’s done it and how?

Should there be set pay guidelines for certain types of projects?

Do new sites and content freeloaders make the chasm wider than ever?

Talk to us…

Written by LydiaBreakfast

March 20, 2009 at 7:42 pm

Transcript of Editorchat 3-18

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On March 18 we discussed the digital divide. Is there a difference between writing for print and web? What are editors looking for in terms of good web writing? The conversation follows below. As always, if you have anything to add, please drop us a comment in the box below. Questions are welcome too.

[20:01:07] milehighfool: @anndouglas Instructions and details: http://tinyurl.com/dh99oz Welcome! #editorchat
[20:01:18] LydiaBreakfast: Tip: TweetDeck has a filter feature at the bottom of each column. Select #editorchat as the text to exclude, unless you want in #editorchat
[20:01:50] sooutdoors: Good evening all. Lloyd here from Southern Ontario Outdoors. Tech writer & Outdoors writer for print and electronic media. #editorchat
[20:01:53] Hergett: Sorry I can’t join in tonight. I am off to a charity Tweetup. I’ll check the transcript later. #editorchat
[20:02:39] anndouglas: @milehighfool Thanks so much! Will catch up in a few minutes. #editorchat
[20:02:49] milehighfool: @Hergett Thanks for stopping in before the tweetup. See you next week, I hope. #editorchat
[20:03:05] LydiaBreakfast: And we are live – welcome to another edition of editorchat, please introduce yourself #editorchat
[20:03:13] JDEbberly: Good evening to all. JD Ebberly, out of N VA. I write pieces about blogging & new media. #editorchat
[20:03:24] netta50: Hi, everyone. I’m netta, and I’m a wordaholic, freelance editor and writer. #editorchat
[20:03:37] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors hello Lloyd, thanks for coming again 🙂 #editorchat
[20:04:01] LydiaBreakfast: @JDEbberly Welcome JD our unflaggingly cheerful cohort 🙂 #editorchat
[20:04:13] littlebrownpen: Hi all. Nichole Robertson. Freelance writer and Copy Director for an organic skincare brand. #editorchat
[20:04:15] LydiaBreakfast: @netta50 You forgot writing diva 🙂 #editorchat
[20:04:32] jennipps: Hi, everyone! Jen, fl writer in southern Oklahoma, contributor @TutorialBlog.org. Also write on creativity & plus-size issues. #editorchat
[20:04:33] janeco: Hi everyone, I’m Jane, a freelance edtior/writer #editorchat
[20:05:05] milehighfool: It’s so good to be back after a week off. Good to see all you regulars. #editorchat
[20:05:05] DaMaHug: @littlebrownpen Hi #editorchat
[20:05:06] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen hello Nichole, Jane and Jen …thanks for coming 🙂 #editorchat
[20:05:26] tweditor: So excited to be joining #editorchat! #editorchat
[20:05:51] Alexandrialeigh: Hi all–writer/editor/author based in Charlotte, N.C. Slightly disgruntled this evening, so beware. 🙂 #editorchat
[20:05:52] jennipps: @milehighfool Good to see you. Missed you last week. #editorchat
[20:05:56] JDEbberly: @milehighfool We’re really delighted that you’re back, @milehighfool !! 🙂 #editorchat
[20:05:59] milehighfool: @DaMaHug Hi DaMaHug. Are you writing? Editing? Both? #editorchat
[20:06:04] LydiaBreakfast: @tweditor welcome – so glad you came! #editorchat
[20:06:19] LydiaBreakfast: @Alexandrialeigh Oh dear, those MBT’s got you down? 😉 #editorchat
[20:06:24] jimmcbee: #editorchat Hi, Jim here. Medical coding writer, ex-newsman, pimping http://www.smartnewsnc.com and listening in.
[20:06:25] JDEbberly: @tweditor Welcome to editorchat! We’re happy you’ve dropped in tonight!! 🙂 #editorchat
[20:06:29] wetzeledit: Wendy Wetzel, freelance copyeditor, working w/ Christian publishers. #editorchat
[20:06:49] authorlisalogan: I’m an acquisitions editor and happy to be part of #editorchat
[20:06:50] milehighfool: @tweditor Glad you could make it. Welcome. #editorchat
[20:06:58] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee Hi Jim, thanks for joining us this week #editorchat
[20:07:04] Alexandrialeigh: @LydiaBreakfast: Ha! Touche, Lydia. #editorchat
[20:07:16] LydiaBreakfast: @wetzeledit Hello there – thanks for coming #editorchat
[20:07:29] LydiaBreakfast: @authorlisalogan Welcome, glad you chose to join us #editorchat
[20:07:41] milehighfool: @authorlisalogan Outstanding. Thanks for joining us — seeing some new tweeters tonight. #editorchat
[20:07:51] gmarkham: #editorchat Hi, Mark Hamilton, former editor, now journo instructor. Eavesdropping to see what I can steal for my students.
[20:07:51] LydiaBreakfast: @Alexandrialeigh Just want to make you smile – or chuckle, or both! #editorchat
[20:08:20] jimmcbee: #editorchat Thanks, Lydia, my first twitter ‘event.’
[20:08:26] JDEbberly: @authorlisalogan Welcome to editorchat, Lisa! 🙂 #editorchat
[20:08:51] JDEbberly: @jimmcbee Welcome to Editorchat, Jim! You’re going to love htis! 🙂 #editorchat
[20:09:13] jennipps: It’s great to see everyone tonight. 🙂 (Sorry for lack of individual replies. Went afk for a minute.) #editorchat
[20:09:23] milehighfool: @jimmcbee Hi Jim. What a week for you, eh? Lots going on the world of journalism. #editorchat
[20:09:25] LydiaBreakfast: If you haven’t peeked at the blog – we’re wondering if the once-distinct worlds of Web and print are merging and changing. #editorchat
[20:09:35] anndouglas: I’m a columnist for Conceive Magazine, blogger @torontostar , blogger @yahoo canada and preg/parenting author. #editorchat
[20:09:44] milehighfool: @gmarkham Hi mark. Thanks for joining. #editorchat
[20:09:47] netta50: @milehighfool Good to have you back, although Lydia and JD were outstanding hostesses. #editorchat
[20:10:08] jimmcbee: #editorchat Presume this is easier with TweetDeck; cranking up now
[20:10:12] DaMaHug: @milehighfool Connecting Czech Craft Folk with the world #editorchat
[20:10:14] Alexandrialeigh: I would say yes they are merging and changing — and will be for a while. #editorchat
[20:10:15] LydiaBreakfast: @anndouglas Hi Ann, so glad you could join us #editorchat
[20:10:28] DawnAllcot: Dawn Allcot, freelance writer in health, church tech & marketing, WAH business, preg/parenting & paintball #editorchat
[20:10:51] jennipps: @DawnAllcot Hi, Dawn!! Good to see you here. 😀 #editorchat
[20:10:58] LydiaBreakfast: @DawnAllcot Hi Dawn, thanks for coming! #editorchat
[20:11:11] milehighfool: Former Rocky writers and editors going online. Seattle P-I goes purely digital. Ebooks going crazy. What are the implications? #editorchat
[20:11:20] janeco: @LydiaBreakfast absolutely, and they are continuous works in progress #editorchat
[20:11:23] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Def merging/changing, especially according to a lot of the replies I got from a recent #HARO query. #editorchat
[20:11:23] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast There are very few publications you write for today that don’t ask for..or sometimes steal electronic rights. #editorchat
[20:11:27] JDEbberly: @DawnAllcot Welcome, Dawn! 🙂 #editorchat
[20:11:47] collazoprojects: Julie in NYC- writer & managing editor of @MatadorNetwork, online travel mag. Fresh from @Mediabistro‘s ThinkMobile conference. #editorchat
[20:12:09] tweditor: Thanks everyone, I’m on Tweetchat but helping little brother, who is lost in Hoboken 2,000 miles away. Technology …#editorchat #editorchat
[20:12:19] littlebrownpen: With increasing pressure to cut costs, the move to digital is inevitable. #editorchat
[20:12:24] LydiaBreakfast: @collazoprojects Hey Julie #editorchat
[20:12:24] milehighfool: @collazoprojects How was the Media Bistro conference? Glad you make it tonight. #editorchat
[20:12:42] DawnAllcot: I can’t think of one publication w/o a Web presence currently. #editorchat
[20:12:43] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Thanks so much. (It may take me a while to get hang of chatting on TweetDeck!)
[20:13:02] LydiaBreakfast: @tweditor Ha, brilliant. That’s what it is for #editorchat
[20:13:16] unearthingasia: Nik Tjhin, editor for a Travel Blog Zine #editorchat its 7am and i just got up!
[20:13:30] milehighfool: RT @DawnAllcot: I can’t think of one publication w/o a Web presence currently. (Agreed.) #editorchat
[20:13:49] netta50: There’s no denying the electronic age is changing the face of publishing as we know it. What does it mean for book publishing?#editorchat
[20:13:53] BradtGuides: Job vacancy reminder: Editorial Project Manager position with Bradt Travel Guides, 1week left to apply http://is.gd/nDhe #twchat #editorchat
[20:13:57] LydiaBreakfast: @unearthingasia Hello! Thanks so much for joining so early! #editorchat
[20:14:00] JDEbberly: @unearthingasia Good morning, Asia! 🙂 #editorchat
[20:14:02] netta50: Can you say Kindle? #editorchat
[20:14:16] JDEbberly: RT @DawnAllcot: I can’t think of one publication w/o a Web presence currently. #editorchat
[20:14:17] collazoprojects: Web & print changing? Yes. Merging? Not always. Depends on publication. Some pubs are providing distinct online content. #editorchat
[20:15:06] tweditor: Brother unlost. 🙂 As to digital divide, it ceased to exist with the invention of cut and paste. #editorchat
[20:15:12] milehighfool: @netta50 Good question. I wonder if we’ll see more of what @guykawasaki did — Web release followed by print release. #editorchat
[20:15:14] Alexandrialeigh: @collazoprojects: So true! And I find sometimes it’s really hard for a pub to transition to online in a meaningful way. #editorchat
[20:15:20] DawnAllcot: #editorchat Thx for the greetings! Installing tweetdeck… 🙂
[20:15:29] netta50: @collazoprojects But for how long? It’s expensive to do both. #editorchat
[20:15:49] sooutdoors: There are actually online only magazines that are now paying as much as print publications. #editorchat
[20:15:55] jimmcbee: Web has killed the value of content: words, music, video, whatever. Will be awhile before we get our sea legs. #editorchat
[20:16:08] unearthingasia: #editorchat a small tidbit, my publication started from web, and am in proposal process of going to print now.. sort of the other way arnd
[20:16:44] collazoprojects: At ThinkMobile conference, speakers were touting mobile web. Yet when I asked if they were working w/ online depts., said no. #editorchat
[20:16:55] LydiaBreakfast: @unearthingasia wow, yes it is. How does the business support a move to print? #editorchat
[20:17:10] jennipps: @sooutdoors I’d like to find a few more of them. *s* #editorchat
[20:17:12] tweditor: @jimmcbee, I hope you’re referring only to the monetary value of content. What the Web (may) have killed is the $ of expertise. #editorchat
[20:17:14] netta50: @milehighfool Exactly. I’m thinking a lot more. That brings up the subject of online marketing. The smart writer has to be savvy #editorchat
[20:17:18] milehighfool: RT @unearthingasia: a small tidbit, my publication started from web, and am in proposal process of going to print now. #editorchat
[20:17:21] unearthingasia: #editorchat one thing is q obvious tho but i wanna pt out: gd online content doesnt necessarily make good print content and vice versa
[20:17:23] sooutdoors: @unearthingasia Wow, I don’t hear that very often. #editorchat
[20:17:29] janeco: I believe there will always be people who want to hold that hard copy #editorchat
[20:17:40] LydiaBreakfast: @collazoprojects many pubs are also not expanding their web dept’s. Weird and sort of behind the 8 ball, I think. #editorchat
[20:18:00] milehighfool: @tweditor Maybe, but not always. I’m more optimistic about the Web. Maybe because that’s my medium 🙂 #editorchat
[20:18:07] Alexandrialeigh: @unearthingasia: Agreed! Different forms of media, different forms of writing. #editorchat
[20:18:12] jennipps: @unearthingasia Very true. That’s been my experience as well. #editorchat
[20:18:15] LydiaBreakfast: So the official Q1 is: Are there different styles/ guides for Web and print? #editorchat
[20:18:33] DawnAllcot: @unearthingasia, what do you see of the benefits of going print at that point? #editorchat
[20:18:39] merylkevans: @collazoprojects Dallas Morning News doing a good job bridging its print and online news and encouraging citizen journalism. #editorchat
[20:18:41] jennipps: Agreed! RT @janeco I believe there will always be people who want to hold that hard copy #editorchat
[20:18:41] milehighfool: Isn’t it easlier to measure the success of a Web story? Clicks, actions, etc. Doesn’t that make Web content easier to value? #editorchat
[20:18:54] JDEbberly: RT @Alexandrialeigh: @unearthingasia: Agreed! Different forms of media, different forms of writing. #editorchat
[20:18:58] gmarkham: @jimmcbee Rather than killing the value, I think it’s reset the deal: defining value is now in the hands of the user. #editorchat
[20:18:58] netta50: @jimmcbeeThere‘s still stellar content, U just have to dig deeper is all. How to make it outstanding in the crowd is the problem #editorchat
[20:19:01] Alexandrialeigh: @LydiaBreakfast: Yes! Definitely. Of course. Otherwise it wouldn’t be hard for a pub to transition from one to the other. #editorchat
[20:19:05] sooutdoors: @unearthingasia I would agree. My writing style differs for online, unless it is for a true online magazine. #editorchat
[20:19:13] gmarkham: #editorchat (Apparently, I am no longer just lurking)
[20:19:18] tweditor: @milehighfool I’m optimistic too, but hoping @jimmcbee means $$$. I think the content is better than ever. #editorchat
[20:19:24] jimmcbee: Yes, the monetary value. Everything’s infinitely replicable. Same thing that took wind out of records’ sales. #editorchat (bad pun, sorry)
[20:19:25] DawnAllcot: @LydiaBreakfast, There *should* be. LOL #editorchat
[20:19:32] Alexandrialeigh: @milehighfool: Clicks don’t necessarily equal reads. I click on things a lot, scan for a second, and then close without reading. #editorchat
[20:19:32] merylkevans: Q1: There are different style guides everywhere; not just print v web. It mainly depends on the organization. Consistency is key #editorchat
[20:19:33] anndouglas: @netta50 Excellent point. I’ve been researching high-end online portolios/writers after reading an article on this topic. #editorchat
[20:19:36] jennipps: Q1 – A point brought up often in interviews I’ve had w/others lately is for web, more graphics & links to engage the reader more #editorchat
[20:19:45] janeco: @sooutdoors how does your style differ? #editorchat
[20:19:47] milehighfool: RT @netta50: That brings up the subject of online marketing. The smart writer has to be savvy (Bingo) #editorchat
[20:19:50] MudslideMama: @lydiabreakfast #editorchat Of course; print can be more poesy, without worrying about keyword phrases. But online can be more to the point.
[20:19:51] gmarkham: @jimmcbee what hasn’t been figured out is how that translates into money for the storytelling. #editorchat
[20:19:58] collazoprojects: Re. Q1: Generally speaking, style for web v. print = shorter. #editorchat
[20:19:59] jennipps: Q1 – Whereas with print, the consensus seems to be, that’s not quite as necessary. Not sure I agree, but… #editorchat
[20:20:06] DawnAllcot: RT @sooutdoors My writing style differs for online, unless it is for a true online magazine. #editorchat (So true)
[20:20:09] tweditor: @merylkevans I’m curious, how so? I’m in DFW and the Dallas Morning News is laying off just like every other paper. #editorchat
[20:20:16] netta50: RT @janeco: I believe there will always be people who want to hold that hard copy #editorchat Agreed.
[20:20:43] Alexandrialeigh: Saying there’s no difference between online and print styles is like saying newswriting is the same as magazine or book writing. #editorchat
[20:20:44] merylkevans: @tweditor Actually, DMN is hiring in its neighborsgo / online department. #editorchat
[20:21:03] jimmcbee: Yes, the monetary value. Everything’s infinitely replicable. Same thing that took wind out of records’ sales. #editorchat
[20:21:03] netta50: RT @jimmcbee Rather than killing the value, I think it’s reset the deal: defining value is now in the hands of the user. #editorchat
[20:21:17] collazoprojects: One challenge for print pubs is that they’re not always coordinating web/print/journo depts. #editorchat
[20:21:19] jennipps: Agree. Seems they want 1/2 the length. RT @collazoprojects Re. Q1: Generally speaking, style for web v. print = shorter. #editorchat
[20:21:19] milehighfool: @merylkevans But are the differences due to medium or the otganization? We don’t use pure AP style at the Fool, for example. #editorchat
[20:21:29] JDEbberly: RT @jimmcbee: Yes, the monetary value. Everything’s infinitely replicable. Same thing that took wind out of records’ sales. #editorchat
[20:21:32] unearthingasia: @LydiaBreakfast we r still planning it, etc but having it online first ensures we at least hv some decent content to go to print #editorchat
[20:21:38] anndouglas: @collazoprojects Unless you’ve been writing front-of-the-book items/mags. Very similar. #editorchat
[20:21:53] Alexandrialeigh: @milehighfool: I would say both medium and organization. #editorchat
[20:21:54] tweditor: @netta50 Terrific point. But I think the days of demanding $$$ for text passed us. Radiohead was ahead of the curve. #editorchat
[20:22:06] sooutdoors: @janeco I think the main difference would be the word count. I think online needs to be more concise or people won’t read. #editorchat
[20:22:14] milehighfool: RT @anndouglas: @collazoprojects Unless you’ve been writing front-of-the-book items/mags. Very similar. #editorchat
[20:22:18] unearthingasia: @DawnAllcot mainly its easier to sell to publication to advertisers, and it feeds each other. sm of my web content goes to print #editorchat
[20:22:25] LydiaBreakfast: Q1-a. So what do you see as the specific differences between online and print writing? #editorchat
[20:22:45] merylkevans: @milehighfool Both. It’s too obvious to say that online and print have different styles and rules. That’s a given. #editorchat
[20:22:54] JaySlacks: @tweditor Completely agree. #editorchat
[20:23:02] milehighfool: @sooutdoors Very true. I’m conditioned to write features in 600 or fewer words now. Online has changed my writing. #editorchat
[20:23:07] jimmcbee: key to internet is interactivity. That’s where the value is. Your article/photo/etc. is just the starting place. #editorchat
[20:23:10] janeco: @sooutdoors Agree totally. I have one editor that kept demanding longer profiles #editorchat
[20:23:16] netta50: @tweditor Maybe. It’s still in flux and I think it will be for a long time. The change is huge. #editorchat
[20:23:27] Alexandrialeigh: @LydiaBreakfast: Format, length, strict v. loose rules of grammar, plus depends on the publication, whether web or print. #editorchat
[20:23:36] jennipps: Q1-a – More graphics, more URLs, fewer sidebars online from what I’ve seen so far. The links tend to act as the sidebar. #editorchat
[20:23:53] merylkevans: Q1a: Short paragraphs, one idea per paragraph, bold headers for scanning, bullets, whitespace. Length is an endless argument. #editorchat
[20:23:54] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Shoter prose, blaring headlines. Most often, I think, online borrows from fashion magazines. (5 things to …) #editorchat
[20:23:55] littlebrownpen: Metoo RT: @milehighfool @sooutdoors Very true. I’m conditioned to write features in 600 or fewer words now. #editorchat
[20:24:04] tweditor: @sooutdoors, With the exception of New Yorker-style articles, both Web and print benefit from "refrigerator magnet" journalism. #editorchat
[20:24:04] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast Short, sweet, and to the point is the hallmark of online writing. You have to catch the reader quick. #editorchat
[20:24:30] janeco: @sooutdoors he didnt want to listen to me about keeping it shorter #editorchat
[20:24:32] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast Lively, punchy writing style; copy chunks; bullets; interactivity. #editorchat
[20:24:33] unearthingasia: @LydiaBreakfast online = graphic, video, shorter, more interaction, and sometime optimize for keywords as well #editorchat
[20:24:50] milehighfool: @merylkevans Agreed. So where do you see the most common divergence? In style? Or substance? #editorchat
[20:25:20] jennipps: @unearthingasia Optimizing for keywords is *definitely* something I’ve had to learn for web writing. #editorchat
[20:25:23] anndouglas: @milehighfool Great point. All those number headlines! Plus secrets, confessions…. #editorchat
[20:25:27] LydiaBreakfast: Q1-B: With links becoming necessary (and replacement sidebars) who is responsible for compiling them? Who checks that they work? #editorchat
[20:25:36] netta50: RT @jimmcbee: key to internet is interactivity. That’s where the value is. Your article/photo/etc. is just the starting place. #editorchat
[20:25:39] MudslideMama: @tweditor #editorchat Sadly, I’d wager that one more diff is, there’s more content theft online. Tracking those baddies down = full time job
[20:25:51] janeco: RT netta50 @LydiaBreakfast Short, sweet, and to the point is the hallmark of online writing. You have to catch the reader quick. #editorchat
[20:25:59] jimmcbee: with http://www.smartnewsnc.com (shameless plug), we’ll sell by the item, not by word count. #editorchat
[20:26:03] Alexandrialeigh: @LydiaBreakfast: In my experience, it’s the writer’s responsibility. Sometimes they’re checked, sometimes not. #editorchat
[20:26:04] unearthingasia: #editorchat where as in print, feature content can go as long as 6 to 8 pages or more?
[20:26:06] milehighfool: I think writing for the Web makes you a better print writer. You already know how to communicate more with less. #editorchat
[20:26:29] unearthingasia: @jennipps 🙂 it’s something i’m *still* learning.. ha~! #editorchat
[20:26:36] velvet_trope: Hi everyone, I’m Regina, full-time all digital writer/editor/blogger #editorchat
[20:26:39] jennipps: Q1-B – So far in the ones that go with articles I’ve subbed, I’ve had to compile them and make sure they work before sending. #editorchat
[20:26:39] milehighfool: RT @MudslideMama: @tweditor Sadly, I’d wager that one more diff is, there’s more content theft online. #editorchat
[20:26:46] Alexandrialeigh: @milehighfool: Agreed. And Twitter is a great tool for learning to write concisely! #editorchat
[20:26:50] netta50: @MudslideMama Exactly right. It’s too easy to steal. C&P, and who has time to keep up with the theives? #editorchat
[20:26:54] merylkevans: @milehighfool I believe the most common divergence in print v online is style. Agree web writing makes you better print writer. #editorchat
[20:26:56] jennipps: @unearthingasia Heh. Definitely that, too. #editorchat
[20:26:58] tweditor: @MudslideMama, we’re back to what I was saying before about cut and paste. Highly underrated as the reason for it all. 🙂 #editorchat
[20:27:05] janeco: @LydiaBreakfast Should be the writer’s responsibility #editorchat
[20:27:10] unearthingasia: @LydiaBreakfast more work for the editor! #editorchat
[20:27:14] anndouglas: @MudslideMama As a trademark owner, I would add trademark theft. NOT COOL! #editorchat
[20:27:16] JDEbberly: @velvet_trope Welcome to Editorchat, Regina 🙂 We’re happy you joined us! #editorchat
[20:27:17] jennipps: RT @Alexandrialeigh @milehighfool: Agreed. And Twitter is a great tool for learning to write concisely! (*definitely*) #editorchat
[20:27:20] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast As a writer I check links but I really think the editor needs to do a double check. "due diligence" #editorchat
[20:27:34] littlebrownpen: RT @milehighfool think writing for the Web makes you a better print writer. You already know how to communicate more with less. #editorchat
[20:27:36] Single_Shot: Late to the party and here just for a few. Diane Mapes, freelance journalist, former humor columnist Seattle P-I (RIP) #editorchat
[20:27:44] netta50: RT @Alexandrialeigh: @milehighfool: Agreed. And Twitter is a great tool for learning to write concisely! #editorchat So is flash fiction 🙂
[20:27:55] tweditor: @anndouglas Don’t get me started about trademarks! We’ll be here all night! #editorchat
[20:27:57] konadad: @Alexandrialeigh Hear! Hear! #editorchat
[20:28:00] jimmcbee: Audience will still drive style. Chunky text good in print as well as Net. But maybe not for New Yorker readers. #editorchat
[20:28:09] LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot Helllllooo Ms. Diane, glad you came #editorchat
[20:28:11] milehighfool: Curious if editors treat the content differently. Do you apporach a Web story with a different expectations? #editorchat
[20:28:17] JDEbberly: @milehighfool: Agreed. And Twitter is a great tool for learning to write concisely! (*definitely*) #editorchat
[20:28:22] MudslideMama: @netta50 I waver between trying to shrug off content theft, and blinding rage. 🙂 #editorchat
[20:28:28] DawnAllcot: RT @Andrealeigh And Twitter is a great tool for learning to write concisely! #editorchat
[20:28:31] BeckyDMBR: Hey! Late again. Freelance journalist in Iow-ay. #editorchat
[20:28:34] jennipps: Re: communicating more with less: An on spec article I’ve been working on reqs 1,200 words minimum. Wow! Used to 500-600. #editorchat
[20:28:42] unearthingasia: @MudslideMama very true, and sad, but some local n regional print publications can get scot free w that mind u.. its possible #editorchat
[20:28:49] janeco: @Single_Shot Terrible about the paper #editorchat
[20:29:02] jennipps: @BeckyDMBR Hi, Becky. Better late than never. 🙂 #editorchat
[20:29:10] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Hi there *waves* #editorchat
[20:29:11] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks Lydia! Furiously trying to catch up w/the conversation. #editorchat
[20:29:14] netta50: @MudslideMama Hear that. I’m down with blinding rage 🙂 #editorchat
[20:29:20] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR Hi Becky. Glad you could make it. #editorchat
[20:29:22] tweditor: @milehighfool Expectations such as …? My gut says no, although you’ve got to know the intended audience to edit for sense. #editorchat
[20:29:38] foleymo: When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" #editorchat
[20:30:10] JDEbberly: @BeckyDMBR Glad you can join us Becky! #editorchat
[20:30:11] sooutdoors: RT @foleymo: When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" #editorchat
[20:30:11] BeckyDMBR: @gmarkham You can steal it as long as you link back! 😉 #editorchat
[20:30:18] Alexandrialeigh: @foleymo: Love that! Hilarious. #editorchat
[20:30:29] jennipps: Good idea! RT @foleymo When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" #editorchat
[20:30:30] tweditor: @foleymo Brilliant! Twitter is excellent exercise for an editor’s mind. #editorchat
[20:30:39] anndouglas: @jimmcbee Very true. #editorchat
[20:30:41] JaySlacks: @foleymo Is it wrong that I think that’s horrible? #editorchat
[20:30:45] LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot Q1-B: With links becoming necessary for web writing, who is responsible for compiling them? #editorchat
[20:30:53] netta50: @foleymo That’s a fabulous question. #editorchat
[20:30:54] janeco: GRT foleymo When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" #editorchat -7:29 PM Mar 18th #editorchat
[20:30:54] gmarkham: @BeckyDMBR always. the link is the new currency:-) #editorchat
[20:30:55] merylkevans: RT @foleymo When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" Best advice today! #editorchat
[20:30:56] JDEbberly: RT @foleymo: When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" #editorchat
[20:31:22] jimmcbee: unless Net changes drastically, copyright’s going to be swept away. We’ll just have to deal. #editorchat
[20:31:25] Single_Shot: @janeco Thanx Janeco. Yes, very sad about my beloved P-I (even as a freelancer, I loved it dearly). And all my editors, buds, et #editorchat
[20:31:30] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Me. For every one of my articles. #editorchat
[20:31:34] Bridge2Science: r/t @JDEbberly @foleymo: When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" #editorchat
[20:31:43] unearthingasia: #editorchat about content-theft.. i’m kind of a pessimist we cant win tt war. there are so many publications its just not poss to tract all
[20:31:53] Single_Shot: @foleymo Interesting strategy! #editorchat
[20:31:54] milehighfool: RT @merylkevans: RT @foleymo When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" #editorchat
[20:31:55] foleymo: @netta50 It’s not an end in itself. It’s an exercise to get the reporter to think about the most important parts of the story. #editorchat
[20:31:56] jennipps: @jimmcbee I doubt it will get to that extreme. #editorchat
[20:32:09] LydiaBreakfast: @milehighfool Me too. As Lloyd said, I do due diligence. #editorchat
[20:32:12] netta50: As a writer, I check my own links. As an editor, I check the links. It’s part of both jobs #editorchat
[20:32:26] milehighfool: RT @tweditor: Expectations such as …? My gut says no, although you’ve got to know the intended audience to edit for sense. #editorchat
[20:32:29] Alexandrialeigh: @foleymo: Also a great way to get people to do a little self-editing. #editorchat
[20:32:35] jennipps: RT @netta50 As a writer, I check my own links. As an editor, I check the links. It’s part of both jobs #editorchat
[20:32:38] LydiaBreakfast: @foleymo How do you do inverted pyramid in 140 characters or less? #editorchat
[20:32:46] anndouglas: BYE, BYE WRITER’S BLOCK RT @foleymo When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" #editorchat
[20:32:59] netta50: @foleymo I totally agree. It’s a different angle to an ordinary story. #editorchat
[20:33:08] BeckyDMBR: @janeco Intensely local print mag just started last year. Surprised me. *In this economy?!?* Key = local? #editorchat
[20:33:24] janeco: @Single_Shot Interesting how attached we become; happened 2 me many yrs ago; u feel a certain loss of identity, but u re-gain it #editorchat
[20:33:29] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast I do most of the link compiling for my online stuff (& check to make sure they work B4 they go in). #editorchat
[20:33:31] unearthingasia: @LydiaBreakfast again, I’d say the editor, he shld knw which keywords etc they want to optimize for… or the SEO guy perhaps? #editorchat
[20:33:33] foleymo: @LydiaBreakfast The first 140 characters is just the top of the inverted pyramid. #editorchat
[20:33:47] anndouglas: @merylkevans Didn’t have room to acknowledge your RT on the RT. Next time! #editorchat
[20:33:51] BeckyDMBR: @janeco I will always want hard copy, but I’m one of those old newsies. #editorchat
[20:33:54] Cottagegirl: RT @foleymo: When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" #editorchat
[20:34:06] JDEbberly: Woops, I forgot to inform my followers that I’ll be tweeting more than usual tonight during Editorchat from 7pm to 830pm CST #editorchat
[20:34:06] jennipps: Hold on…have to reboot. Back in a few. #editorchat
[20:34:21] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast Good one re inverted pyramid! #editorchat
[20:34:24] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR I see too many writers and editors talking about local. Do I need to know what’s happening on the next block? #editorchat
[20:34:26] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Count, maybe? Value? Not so sure. #editorchat
[20:34:32] DougLance: #editorchat Where is the conversation on the digital divide? #editorchat
[20:34:43] LydiaBreakfast: @foleymo Right, I meant to add the wink 😉 #editorchat
[20:34:48] debbieharry: Me too RT @Single_Shot: I do most of the link compiling for my online stuff (& check to make sure they work B4 they go in). #editorchat
[20:34:51] janeco: @BeckyDMBR local just might be the answer and finding your niche audiencee #editorchat
[20:34:53] rsylvester: @jimmcbee It took wind out of record sales but didnt kill music. Could argue web opened market to more artists #editorchat
[20:34:55] jimmcbee: @BeckyDMBR Intensely local print is what we did at Bluffton Today. Now faltering, though. Readers loved; advertisers, meh. #editorchat
[20:35:14] LydiaBreakfast: @DougLance we’re having it now, jump in any time #editorchat
[20:35:16] unearthingasia: @BeckyDMBR its a niche.. its all the rage in places w cheap printing.. there is a free publication for my church! #editorchat
[20:35:19] sooutdoors: @BeckyDMBR I will always want hard copy myself..but I don’t think my kids will ever subscribe to print. #editorchat
[20:35:26] JDEbberly: RT @janeco: @BeckyDMBR local just might be the answer and finding your niche audiencee #editorchat
[20:35:32] Single_Shot: @janeco My wallet particularly feels that sense of loss. ; ) I’m just powering through. I have lots of gigs, luckily, not just 1 #editorchat
[20:35:34] anndouglas: @BeckyDMBR It seems to be a huge trend. Why not media, too? #editorchat
[20:35:46] JaySlacks: @milehighfool You might not need to, but someone else might. Does the internet address those without internet access? #editorchat
[20:35:54] bob_bobala: Having technical difficulties. Tim, let me know if you see this post. #editorchat
[20:35:57] JDEbberly: @DougLance Welcome to Editorchat! 🙂 #editorchat
[20:36:03] netta50: @rsylvester Good point. #editorchat
[20:36:05] Alexandrialeigh: @jimmcbee: Is this a symptom of a bigger problem? What advertisers want is completely different from what readers want? #editorchat
[20:36:10] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Right. Immediately? That’s what Twitter’s good for. Who does in-depth coverage? #editorchat
[20:36:22] LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot the key to successful freelance writing is in diversifying your gigs #editorchat
[20:36:26] AlbrightDC: Excellent: RT When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" #editorchat
[20:36:38] jimmcbee: @rsylvester Well, the bands (like writers?) mostly didnt make much money anyway. Just the middlemen and big names hurt. #editorchat
[20:36:38] milehighfool: @bob_bobala There you are, Bob. My first Foolish editor. Welcome, sir. #editorchat
[20:36:42] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala Hi Bob- we see you! #editorchat
[20:36:58] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot the key to successful freelance writing is in diversifying your gigs #editorchat
[20:37:00] BeckyDMBR: @netta50 Speaking of local, isn’t that what’s behind the NYT’s online/blog effort? (I haven’t had a chance to look yet.) #editorchat
[20:37:04] netta50: @JaySlacks It won’t be long before everyone has internet access. We’ll all have chips in our head. #editorchat
[20:37:13] janeco: @milehighfool That’s taking it a bit to the extreme but u do want to connect with local community #editorchat
[20:37:17] DougLance: @LydiaBreakfast I’m here but no one is talking about it. Has anyone successfully crossed the digital divide? #editorchat
[20:37:29] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s move on to Q2: Has the Web hurt publishing because errors are easier to correct? #editorchat
[20:37:30] BeckyDMBR: @gmarkham 🙂 #editorchat
[20:37:32] palafo: Mostly just eavesdropping on #editorchat tonight: Patrick LaForge, a NYT editor on metro desk & @cityroom blog.
[20:37:57] BeckyDMBR: @Alexandrialeigh Exactly. And how to measure how many people actually read? What about forwards, etc.? #editorchat
[20:38:04] milehighfool: Re: the digital divide. Here, I think it’s about how writers and editors are making the transition. #editorchat
[20:38:10] LydiaBreakfast: @palafo Howdy sir, you are off bedtime story duty tonight? #editorchat
[20:38:14] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast Yep to diversifying. I’ve been like a beserker lately, throwing pitches right and left at new markets, editors. #editorchat
[20:38:25] Alexandrialeigh: @LydiaBreakfast: Web has hurt print? Probably. But not sure it’s because errors are easier to correct online. #editorchat
[20:38:40] collazoprojects: Errors may be easier to correct online, but also lots easier to make. This makes editors’ jobs all more important *&demanding. #editorchat
[20:38:44] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Re: the digital divide. Here, I think it’s about how writers and editors are making the transition. #editorchat
[20:38:50] JaySlacks: @netta50 Really? How long? What about those older folks who prefer the internet access that might not want it? #editorchat
[20:38:54] milehighfool: @palafo Hey Patrick.Good of you to stop in. #editorchat
[20:38:55] littlebrownpen: @Single_Shot me too. Can’t sit back and work with those few trusted clients. Things are too shaky. #editorchat
[20:39:01] debbieharry: @Single_Shot Is the beserker thing working for you? I’m curious! #editorchat
[20:39:06] foleymo: Q2: Errors are also more tolerated online. #editorchat
[20:39:07] netta50: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot the key to successful freelance writing is in diversifying your gigs #editorchat AMEN
[20:39:11] palafo: The Tweet=lede idea was brilliant; trouble is, not many of our reporters use Twitter. #editorchat
[20:39:12] Single_Shot: @netta50 I’ve got chips in my mouth. But that probably doesn’t count, right? #editorchat
[20:39:27] littlebrownpen: @collazoprojects exactly. At least two of the last few pieces I wrote had errors edited IN by the editors. #editorchat
[20:39:39] janeco: @collazoprojects just today had to alert online editor of a typo in my story #editorchat
[20:39:42] mmmbutters: Howdy, folks. Web editor for the Calgary Herald…just listening in…for now! #editorchat
[20:39:42] merylkevans: Q2: Web has hurt print, but not because of errors. Instead, because of more options, internet access anywhere, and free. #editorchat
[20:39:44] collazoprojects: @BeckyDMBR: As someone at ThinkMobile conference said today, "Eyeballs don’t necessarily equal dollars." #editorchat
[20:39:52] netta50: @BeckyDMBR It is, but is it too little too late, or will the name carry them forward? #editorchat
[20:39:58] milehighfool: @janeco Yes. I’ve written about a co. using algorithms to deliver hyperlocal news. #editorchat
[20:40:04] netta50: @Single_Shot It does for me. MMM. 😉 #editorchat
[20:40:08] foleymo: @palafo That is a problem. Reporters need to be on Twitter and need to be expert users of RSS feeds in general. #editorchat
[20:40:12] TMFZahrim: (hey Tim!) My life is online, citizen of Cyberspace. What happene nextdoors today surprises me tomorrow #editorchat
[20:40:17] LydiaBreakfast: RT @collazoprojects Errors may be easier to correct online, but also lots easier to make. This makes editors’ jobs more impt. #editorchat
[20:40:24] tweditor: @littlebrownpen, love your name. What kinds of errors did these editors introduce? #editorchat
[20:40:24] milehighfool: @TMFZahrim You and me both, Anders. Welcome to the forum. #editorchat
[20:40:27] palafo: @LydiaBreakfast Error correction, writing, should be no standards differences online, except for Web-specific issues (links etc) #editorchat
[20:40:30] JDEbberly: RT @foleymo: @palafo That is a problem. Reporters need to be on Twitter and need to be expert users of RSS feeds in general. #editorchat
[20:40:31] sooutdoors: RT @collazoprojects: Errors may be easier to correct online, but also lots easier to make. Makes editors’ job more important #editorchat
[20:40:34] jaymes: @mmmbutters well welcome to twitter 😉 #editorchat
[20:40:35] janeco: @palafo It’s time that they do, more and more news media are using it #editorchat
[20:40:36] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Earlier on, I noticed print "borrowing" from blogs. Using blog lingo, for example, w/out explanation. #editorchat
[20:40:42] LydiaBreakfast: @mmmbutters Awesome, thanks for joining! #editorchat
[20:40:45] jimmcbee: After this, no more plugs, I promise. Diversify here: http://smartnewsnc.com #editorchat
[20:40:54] DawnAllcot: @LydiaBreakfast: the key to successful freelance writing is in diversifying your gigs #editorchat Absolutely
[20:40:55] netta50: @JaySlacks Who knows how long? Some older folks are more internet savvy than you think. Baby boomers ain’t dumb. #editorchat
[20:41:07] milehighfool: @palafo Same with the Fool, though that is changing. #editorchat
[20:41:08] JDEbberly: @TMFZahrim Welcome to Editor chat! 🙂 #editorchat
[20:41:30] Single_Shot: @littlebrownpen I know. Also trying to slip in a bit of copywriting/teaching to help support my dirty journalism habit. #editorchat
[20:41:40] collazoprojects: Writers seem to think b/c it’s easier to correct that they don’t need to check own work. #editorchat
[20:41:52] velvet_trope: Also, someone said hi but it went by too fast…so hello back! #editorchat
[20:41:59] palafo: @foleymo I’m not sure it’s a problem…yet. We’re still in early adopter-land here, even with Social Media explosion. #editorchat
[20:42:14] collazoprojects: Can’t tell you # of writers who want changes after publication (inc. photos they’ve sent!) #editorchat
[20:42:19] tweditor: Re: style, why can’t we standardize (somewhat) introductions when directing readers to a URL? Go to? Visit? See? Click? Others? #editorchat
[20:42:20] BeckyDMBR: @netta50 Good question. #editorchat
[20:42:22] Indiedoc: Just became aware of #editorchat, a Wednesday night forum for editors and writers.
[20:42:37] debbieharry: @collazoprojects Not sure I agree with that one–that just sounds like pure laziness. #editorchat
[20:42:40] LydiaBreakfast: Here’s Q2 again if you missed it Has the Web hurt publishing because errors are easier to correct? #editorchat
[20:42:42] littlebrownpen: @Single_Shot Copywriting is still where the $$$ is. Great way to hedge. #editorchat
[20:42:44] Single_Shot: @littlebrownpen Editors inserting errors? I’m starting to hyperventilate. #editorchat
[20:42:55] LydiaBreakfast: @Indiedoc welcome, jump in any time #editorchat
[20:42:59] JDEbberly: @Indiedoc Welcome to Editorchat, Indie! You’re welcome to join us! 🙂 #editorchat
[20:43:02] foleymo: @palafo I agree, it’s not a problem, but wouldn’t you rather be at the start of something? I know your readers would want you to #editorchat
[20:43:26] velvet_trope: As far as quick error correction = digidivide, I think it really depends on type of pub #editorchat
[20:43:34] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot Welcome. Sorry. [uncomfortable silence] How ya doin’? #editorchat
[20:43:38] wetzeledit: @Single_Shot As a copyeditor I must forward the error-introduction blame to the proofreaders. 😉 #editorchat
[20:43:39] DougLance: @littlebrownpen I detest copywriting. Quality content is the best way. #editorchat
[20:43:45] jimmcbee: How does that hurt publishing, @LydiaBreakfast? Seems like it’d help. #editorchat
[20:43:47] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast They’re easier to make, too. Too quick to hit the "enter" key. #editorchat
[20:44:02] Single_Shot: @velvet_trope I’ll say hi then! #editorchat
[20:44:05] collazoprojects: @debbieharry It IS laziness, and that’s the problem. #editorchat
[20:44:16] bob_bobala: @littlebrownpen or software. #editorchat
[20:44:25] journalistics: @foleymo I say use the tools that work best for you. Twitter may be great for some journos, a #2 pencil for others. #editorchat
[20:44:26] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee Not an opinion sir, just a question. #editorchat
[20:44:28] littlebrownpen: @DougLance I agree. But it can support the writer’s lifestyle. #editorchat
[20:44:30] sooutdoors: @collazoprojects I think the issue may be that there are fewer "professional" writers. Many really don’t understand their job. #editorchat
[20:44:40] Single_Shot: @BeckyDMBR I’m fine! Busy — CRAZY busy! #editorchat
[20:44:49] palafo: @tweditor Just embed link in text; in articles, we add a "tip" that shows up when moused over. #editorchat
[20:44:49] debbieharry: @collazoprojects So do you use those writers again? I try to make sure my work is pristine, that my editors can rely on me. #editorchat
[20:45:01] velvet_trope: @Single_Shot Hi there! #editorchat
[20:45:07] LydiaBreakfast: @journalistics I use both – still addicted to my ticonderoga pencils #editorchat
[20:45:13] artistatlarge: I publish editorial mistakes that I swear were not there before I hit ‘publish’. I correct them as soon as I find them. #editorchat
[20:45:16] milehighfool: @jimmcbee Doesn’t it make for sloppier writing? Once it’s in print, it’s in print. Not so on the Web. #editorchat
[20:45:17] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot I hope that’s GOOD busy? #editorchat
[20:45:20] bob_bobala: @sooutdoors So is that a good thing or bad — that everybody’s a writer? #editorchat
[20:45:23] konadad: @sooutdoors True. Errors are easier to make (and correct) online, but writers can’t be lazy. #editorchat
[20:45:23] anndouglas: @collazoprojects I find what works best is when writer/editor share control of site – my arrangement @torontostar #editorchat
[20:45:36] DougLance: @littlebrownpen I’m in this game to help you guys, the world, not myself. I understand where you’re coming from, yah gotta eat! #editorchat
[20:45:46] Single_Shot: @wetzeledit Well done! Actually, journalism *is* a team effort. Plenty of credit — and blame — to pass around 4 everything. #editorchat
[20:45:48] littlebrownpen: @sooutdoors Or at least people who don’t view writing as a craft/art to be practiced or mastered. More about ego for many. #editorchat
[20:45:51] netta50: I need to leave early tonight, but thanks so much for the lively chat! See you next week #editorchat
[20:45:54] jimmcbee: @LydiaBreakfast Just not sure I understand the context. Bring on the corrections, I say. That’s part of interactivity. #editorchat
[20:45:57] artistatlarge: But I also work alone – both writing and editing – and sometimes can’t see straight. #editorchat
[20:46:00] tweditor: @palafo Are the URLs on their own line/own paragraph, without an introduction of any sort? Like, wow. #editorchat
[20:46:00] gmarkham: @sooutdoors Is the lack in "rpo" writers or in editors who have the time to edit closely? #editorchat
[20:46:02] LydiaBreakfast: @tvamy join us for #editorchat if you can – love to have you 🙂
[20:46:05] AlbrightDC: @LydiaBreakfast Q2: Information on the web is more reliable- Self correcting, up to date, verifiable, permanent. #editorchat
[20:46:05] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast I can barely write with a pen anymore. All has to be on a laptop. I can’t even take notes without it. #editorchat
[20:46:07] jennipps: Made it back. Sorry for having to leave. #editorchat
[20:46:13] kathysena: #editorchat Hi all – I already know many here. I freelance for mags, newspapers, Web & cover parenting, women’s, health, consumer issues.
[20:46:16] foleymo: @journalistics It’s about conversing with audience, not getting the work done. If you can chat using No. 2 pencil, go for it. #editorchat
[20:46:20] sooutdoors: @artistatlarge Ha, certainly been there and done that 🙂 #editorchat
[20:46:25] milehighfool: @netta50 Thanks for chatting, netta. See you next week. #editorchat
[20:46:26] unearthingasia: @sooutdoors the web has made it easier to get into this writing/editing gig, etc… kind of the same thing in design #editorchat
[20:46:32] BeckyDMBR: @foleymo I keep waiting for that to change and for demand for copy editors online to rise. Will that happen? #editorchat
[20:46:38] JDEbberly: @netta50 Nice to have you tonight! Have a great week, netta!! 🙂 #editorchat
[20:46:44] LydiaBreakfast: @kathysena Hey Kathy, welcome #editorchat
[20:46:59] AlbrightDC: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot the key to successful freelance writing is in diversifying your gigs #editorchat
[20:46:59] unearthingasia: first everybody is a designer, and now RT @bob_bobala: @sooutdoors So is that a good thing or bad — that everybody’s a writer? #editorchat
[20:47:04] Single_Shot: @debbieharry I’ve confessed to more than one editor that I’m that kid who’s always trying to get an A. #editorchat
[20:47:14] milehighfool: RT @foleymo: @journalistics It’s about conversing with audience … If you can chat using No. 2 pencil, go for it. #editorchat
[20:47:20] OurManinSH: @collazoprojects many pubs are also not expanding their web dept’s. Weird and sort of behind the 8 ball, I think. #editorchat
[20:47:32] gmarkham: "rpo" = "pro". I need an editor. #editorchat
[20:47:34] sooutdoors: @unearthingasia Absolutely, it’s just one more thing we have to get used to. But the cream will still rise to the top. #editorchat
[20:47:35] Single_Shot: @BeckyDMBR Absolutely. I have like 8 assignments. All due next week or something insane like that. But I’m good. #editorchat
[20:47:40] OurManinSH: rt: @collazoprojects many pubs are also not expanding their web dept’s. Weird and sort of behind the 8 ball, I think. #editorchat
[20:47:40] collazoprojects: @anndouglas Can you say more about what you mean by control of site in terms of logistics? #editorchat
[20:47:43] anndouglas: RT @journalistics It’s about conversing with audience, not getting the work done. If you can chat using No. 2 pencil, go for it. #editorchat
[20:48:02] foleymo: @BeckyDMBR I doubt it. In the online world of "authentic voice" copy editors are often seen as roadblocks, not helpers. #editorchat
[20:48:10] debbieharry: @Single_Shot And do they like that, or call you a brownnoser & stuff you in a locker? #editorchat
[20:48:17] jennipps: I can’t scroll back far enough in Tweetchat to see the current question. Can someone RT, please? #editorchat
[20:48:18] bob_bobala: @unearthingasia It’s true. I work with designers here at Intuit and we have to have sympathy sessions with each other. #editorchat
[20:48:20] tweditor: @bob_bobala In college I wrote papers in a different handwriting – the effort I had to make helped with clarity and focus. #editorchat
[20:48:21] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot Good to hear! #editorchat
[20:48:32] collazoprojects: @debbieharry Absolutely not. I weed out & it’s one reason to move to a model of regular contributors almost exclusively. #editorchat
[20:48:38] palafo: @AlbrightDC There’s plenty of bad info on Web that is never corrected. Or conflicting info. #editorchat
[20:48:44] jimmcbee: Very pleased to meet/follow so many writers and editors, btw. Thanks, #editorchat
[20:48:58] debbieharry: @foleymo That’s a really upsetting notion. Copyeditors as roadblocks, ugh. #editorchat
[20:49:18] milehighfool: RT @palafo: @AlbrightDC There’s plenty of bad info on Web that is never corrected. Or conflicting info. #editorchat
[20:49:22] palafo: @tweditor More so on our blogs. Articles still sometimes list links in sidebar. We’re working to change that. And add more. #editorchat
[20:49:23] konadad: @Single_Shot As an editor, I only want to assign stories to "A" writers. "B+" don’t cut it. #editorchat
[20:49:27] debbieharry: @collazoprojects So I guess my goal is to become a regular contributor 😉 #editorchat
[20:49:30] kathysena: @sooutdoors #editorchat I have a J-school degree and have been in the biz since the 80s. Now suddenly "everybody" can be a journalist. Hmm.
[20:49:35] bob_bobala: @tweditor I think that’s a little bit wacky, tweditor! But I can understand how it’d work. 🙂 #editorchat
[20:49:46] TMFZahrim: @foleymo As a writer, editing can hurt — but it’s the only way to improve my wrting. No feedback sucks. #editorchat
[20:49:46] unearthingasia: @OurManinSH its just rare to find a pub that do both online n print well. Eg: my fave travel mag DestinAsian has a bad bad web #editorchat
[20:49:56] foleymo: @debbieharry Yeah, I know. Unfortunately, I think many reporters have felt that way about the copy desk for years. #editorchat
[20:50:01] milehighfool: @palafo Or properly sourced. A big challenge when news breaks. Who do you trust? #editorchat
[20:50:07] kathysena: RT Yep. What a great way to find terrific folks to follow. @jimmcbee: Very pleased to meet/follow so many writers and editors. #editorchat
[20:50:18] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Just because it’s online doesn’t mean you can get it corrected … if you don’t own/control the site. #editorchat
[20:50:29] kathysena: RT Thanks. My first time here! Every Wednesday? @LydiaBreakfast: @kathysena Hey Kathy, welcome #editorchat
[20:50:40] foleymo: @TMFZahrim I totally agree. #editorchat
[20:50:41] Single_Shot: @debbieharry No one’s tried to stuff me in a locker yet … but editors are tricky. ; ) #editorchat
[20:50:44] LydiaBreakfast: So while we are talking about editors and writers, Q3 is: Do editors expect less from Web articles? #editorchat
[20:51:11] sooutdoors: @TMFZahrim One rule I always write by: Writing is editing. #editorchat
[20:51:13] Single_Shot: @konadad We should get along just fine then. ; ) #editorchat
[20:51:18] JDEbberly: @kathysena Welcome, Kathy! 🙂 Editorchat is every Wed 7-830pm CST 8p-930pm EST #editorchat
[20:51:20] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR True. But I’ve made some spectacular goofs writing for the Fool and we can correct those in-story. #editorchat
[20:51:26] foleymo: @TMFZahrim In the online world, your audience can give you feedback and help you improve your writing. That’s the point. #editorchat
[20:51:28] kathysena: @Single_Shot Working with a really talented editor is a joy, though, don’t you think? We help each other. #editorchat
[20:51:35] debbieharry: @foleymo I’m a writer, not a copyeditor, but isn’t a good copyeditor’s goal to make sure you’re saying what you mean to say? #editorchat
[20:51:54] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q3 is: Do editors expect less from Web articles? #editorchat
[20:52:09] jennipps: RT @sooutdoors @TMFZahrim One rule I always write by: Writing is editing. #editorchat
[20:52:16] bob_bobala: @unearthingasia Can’t you use online to drive to print? Example: I started ExitStrateygPress.com for free fiction to books. #editorchat
[20:52:24] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast In my experience I have found the expectations just as high, but they seem to think they shouldn’t pay as much. #editorchat
[20:52:24] anndouglas: @BeckyDMBR And once it’s online, it can go viral. You can correct @ source, but damage is done. #editorchat
[20:52:25] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast Q3: not my editors. If anything, they’re expecting me to fit more into less space. #editorchat
[20:52:26] jimmcbee: @kathysena thanks to youtube, every wanker with a Strat can be a rockstar, too. Eventually, we separate wheat/chaff #editorchat
[20:52:27] kathysena: @LydiaBreakfast Q3 I don’t know if eds expect less w/ web, but they are on a tighter deadline, so less edit by committee #editorchat
[20:52:34] LydiaBreakfast: @bacigalupe if your tweets are protected they do not show up on #editorchat, you have to make them public by changing the settings
[20:52:37] palafo: @debbieharry Copy editors need to adjust to "deadline every minute." They are trained for the perfect onetime press run. #editorchat
[20:52:37] JDEbberly: RT @TMFZahrim One rule I always write by: Writing is editing. #editorchat
[20:52:43] rsylvester: @jimmcbee Yes but now they dont need a major label to build an audience. Same with journos. Distribution will change. #editorchat
[20:52:46] foleymo: Q3: Less should be expected of Web articles. Their purpose is different. Print=inform via monologue; Web=discuss via dialogue. #editorchat
[20:53:14] milehighfool: @foleymo Agreed. And your point re: community is a good one. Engaging convresation = more readers. #editorchat
[20:53:14] collazoprojects: @bacigalupe Exactly. Got error-ridden submit from a writer w/ big rep; she was angry when I asked her to revise. Ego issues? #editorchat
[20:53:21] TMFZahrim: @foleymo yeah they can, but only the haters ever seem to do to it. Hafta figure out what’s "good" for myself. #editorchat
[20:53:22] kathysena: RT Great! Thanks much for sked. @JDEbberly: @kathysena Welcome, Kathy! 🙂 Editorchat is every Wed 7-830pm CST 8p-930pm EST #editorchat
[20:53:22] BeckyDMBR: @anndouglas Exactly. #editorchat
[20:53:31] debbieharry: @palafo True. My background’s in book publishing, where it’s a much longer process. #editorchat
[20:53:53] jennipps: @foleymo I disagree about less being expected. Even w/dif purpose, it still has to be accurate, researched, current – like print #editorchat
[20:54:18] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @foleymo Agreed. And your point re: community is a good one. Engaging convresation = more readers. #editorchat
[20:54:21] collazoprojects: Q3: I don’t expect any less. In fact, there’s a whole other set of competencies needed by web authors, so I expect more. #editorchat
[20:54:23] bob_bobala: @milehighfool I think it depends. At Motley Fool, we used to do analysis that I had high expectations for. Lighter pieces too #editorchat
[20:54:31] milehighfool: @foleymo Their purpose is different but should we really expect less? Shouldn’t good writing bridge the divide? #editorchat
[20:54:31] Single_Shot: @kathysena Absolutely a joy to work with good editors. Good copy editors, too. I’ve been really fortunate-had very few stinkers #editorchat
[20:54:37] unearthingasia: @bob_bobala yes you can! but i just see a lot of pubs that does one well doesnt do the other well.. not yet perhaps #editorchat
[20:54:37] konadad: @TMFZahrim Editing can only help. As first readers, editors must point out weaknesses to make your piece better. #editorchat
[20:54:39] foleymo: @TMFZahrim My suggestion is to build relationship with all your readers, so the good ones can come to your rescue against haters #editorchat
[20:54:49] jimmcbee: @rsylvester musicians can at least sing for their supper. Not sure how journos, et al. replicate that revenue stream. #editorchat
[20:55:03] TMFZahrim: @foleymo Maybe it’s cause my main site got Comment tech only a few months ago… #editorchat
[20:55:07] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast Standards set by editor. One of the toughest editors I ever worked with was at WebMD. #editorchat
[20:55:16] foleymo: @jennipps I couldn’t agree more. But editors don’t expect that in a nice 12-inch package anymore. #editorchat
[20:55:38] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast Some expect more, especially once you tie in keywords, cross-linking ops and community aspects #editorchat
[20:55:39] AlbrightDC: RT @foleymo My suggestion is to build relationship with all your readers so the good ones can come to your rescue against haters #editorchat
[20:55:49] Single_Shot: @debbieharry My copy editor at the PI made a great catch on my last column. Spared me much embarrassment w/an unintended funny. #editorchat
[20:55:50] TMFZahrim: @jimmcbee So you’re good if you can sing AND write 🙂 #editorchat
[20:55:51] sooutdoors: RT @foleymo: Less should be expected of Web articles. Their purp is diff. Print=inform via monologue; Web=discuss via dialogue. #editorchat
[20:55:56] LydiaBreakfast: @anndouglas I can imagine WebMD would have to be hyper-picky with content #editorchat
[20:55:58] milehighfool: @bob_bobala And I think we still do. (Though we miss your touch, of course.) #editorchat
[20:56:03] jennipps: @foleymo Sadly, you’re probably right. I try to deliver that, though. #editorchat
[20:56:19] foleymo: @milehighfool Good conversation is making good writing less necessary. If they don’t "get" you, just keep talking. #editorchat
[20:56:20] bacigalupe: @LydiaBreakfast may be not editors but writers think they may be able to get away without doing enough work or sloppy grammar, #editorchat
[20:56:21] BeckyDMBR: Aaaaaand my TweetDeck breaks again. WHY does it always do this during a chat? #editorchat
[20:56:26] debbieharry: @Single_Shot I hope you gave him/her a big fat kiss! Or a bottle of scotch. #editorchat
[20:56:33] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Well, I miss you guys too. 🙂 #editorchat
[20:56:40] tweditor: I do not expect less from Web articles. I focus only on the audience. #editorchat
[20:56:56] kathysena: RT Yes! @jimmcbee: thanks to youtube, every wanker with a Strat can be a rockstar, too. Eventually, we separate wheat/chaff #editorchat
[20:57:05] merylkevans: Q3: I couldn’t figure out how to say it then @anndouglas did for me. "Standards set by editor." #editorchat
[20:57:10] rsylvester: @gmarkham: I need an editor, too. Don’t leave home without one. #editorchat
[20:57:11] DougLance: It depends totally on the publication. A pdf from a renowned author is different than the new york times and uncle bobs blog #editorchat
[20:57:12] JaySlacks: @kathysena Welcome. Its a great convo so far. #editorchat
[20:57:13] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast They were, to their credit. Fact-check to the max. #editorchat
[20:57:13] JDEbberly: RT @foleymo: @milehighfool Good conversation is making good writing less necessary. If they don’t "get" you, just keep talking. #editorchat
[20:57:17] milehighfool: @foleymo Disagree. On the Web especially, I think good writing creates good conversation. #editorchat
[20:57:27] Single_Shot: @foleymo Web articles for whom, tho — MSNBC.com or RampagingHamster.com? #editorchat
[20:57:31] unearthingasia: RT @foleymo: Less should be expected of Web articles. Their purp is diff. Print=inform via monologue; Web=discuss via dialogue. #editorchat
[20:57:40] kathysena: Some of the most intelligent chat I’ve seen on Twitter is going on at #editorchat
[20:57:49] foleymo: @milehighfool That can also be the case. #editorchat
[20:57:56] velvet_trope: Q3: when I have my editor hat on, I have high expectations of web content; writing hat expectations double. #editorchat
[20:57:59] anndouglas: @foleymo I regularly ask my readers how I’m doing (good, bad, ugly). They tell me! #editorchat
[20:58:02] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool I think we should always expect good writing. #editorchat
[20:58:05] tweditor: I edited a medical imaging white paper today that will only be available as a PDF. It could appear in a journal – no diff. #editorchat
[20:58:16] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Can I write for RampagingHamster.com? 🙂 #editorchat
[20:58:56] sooutdoors: @milehighfool I have to skip out early. Thanks for a lively well moderated discussion. Till next week. @lydiabreakfast #editorchat
[20:58:56] kathysena: RT Good point. Different expectations. @Single_Shot: @foleymo Web articles for whom, tho — MSNBC.com or RampagingHamster.com? #editorchat
[20:58:58] milehighfool: RT @velvet_trope: Q3: when I have my editor hat on, I have high expectations of web content; writing hat expectations double. #editorchat
[20:58:58] foleymo: @Single_Shot For everyone. MSNBC.com isn’t online just to be a bulletin board to post on. It’s there for interaction/discourse. #editorchat
[20:59:06] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR especially now, I think we should only offer the best writing we can possibly do, no excuses for time, resources, etc #editorchat
[20:59:17] bob_bobala: How many people are writer/editors — the dual skill set? Or do you masquerade as that but really prefer one or the other? #editorchat
[20:59:32] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Thanks as always for joining 🙂 #editorchat
[20:59:54] anndouglas: @milehighfool Is Hamster the H in HARO? 🙂 #editorchat
[20:59:56] collazoprojects: @bob_bobala: I’m a writer & editor. #editorchat
[20:59:57] JDEbberly: @sooutdoors Really enjoyed your input! 🙂 Looking forward to seeing you next week! 🙂 #editorchat
[20:59:59] velvet_trope: Blurg…you’d think I could keep up w/ #editorchat since I work solely in online content…not keeping up….
[20:59:59] Single_Shot: @debbieharry A simple email thank you. Have only met a handful of the people who handle my copy face to face. Sad freelance fact #editorchat
[21:00:04] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala I do both. #editorchat
[21:00:10] AlbrightDC: RT @milehighfool On the Web. I think good writing creates good conversation. #editorchat (Good convo requires good communications skills)
[21:00:22] foleymo: Comments/Twitter etc. place power back in the hands of the reader in the way letters to the editor don’t anymore. #editorchat
[21:00:28] milehighfool: RT @bob_bobala: How many people are writer/editors — the dual skill set? #editorchat
[21:00:36] TMFZahrim: @bob_bobala Really just a writer, sneaking into this editor chat. Oops 🙂 #editorchat
[21:00:38] tweditor: I also edited some colorful copy about Dating Divas and Mojo Maidens. The key is readability and intended audience, not format. #editorchat
[21:00:40] QuickenPRChels: @bob_bobala I’m both! #editorchat
[21:00:42] janeco: @bob_bobala I do both and enjoy them equally #editorchat
[21:00:44] jimmcbee: My title is ‘editor’ but I mainly write, nowadays. Newsletter world is a little off kilter. #editorchat
[21:01:04] TrendUpdates: #editorchat. Last seen: never. http://bit.ly/11zM2U
[21:01:08] milehighfool: @bob_bobala We’re forunate to have brilliant editors at the Fool but I carefully edit my stuff before submitting. #editorchat
[21:01:14] jennipps: @TMFZahrim It’s for both. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:01:15] unearthingasia: @bob_bobala same here, both #editorchat
[21:01:17] anndouglas: @bob_bobala I would never pretend to be an editor – although my editors tell me copy is very clean. #editorchat
[21:01:19] bacigalupe: @LydiaBreakfast Q2: it may hurt ability to write without worrying a lot about being outdated or thinking too much about audience #editorchat
[21:01:26] littlebrownpen: Just a writer. Though I keep my great editors close. Essential imo. #editorchat
[21:01:36] konadad: @bob_bobala To be a good editor requires both skill sets. Same for writers. #editorchat
[21:01:36] Single_Shot: @milehighfool Back off – the hamster platform’s mine! ; ) #editorchat
[21:01:47] jimmcbee: Have always believed good writing IS good editing, though. We all need editors, starting with selves. #editorchat
[21:01:49] wordful: I think the world of blogging needs more editorial awareness #editorchat
[21:01:50] tweet_trends: #editorchat: [twitter] http://tinyurl.com/atoprh [twitterfall] http://twitterfall.com/%23editorchat
[21:01:56] milehighfool: RT @foleymo: Comments/Twitter etc. place power back in the hands of the reader in the way letters to the editor don’t anymore. #editorchat
[21:02:04] Single_Shot: @foleymo Not for delivering the news? #editorchat
[21:02:04] jennipps: @TMFZahrim Specifically, "for editors and those who work with them" — writers. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:02:11] debbieharry: RT @konadad: To be a good editor requires both skill sets. Same for writers. #editorchat
[21:02:11] foleymo: #EditorChat is showing up on TwitScoop! Wooooohooooo! #editorchat
[21:02:14] JaySlacks: Give me a shout out. Who writes novels, news articles or whatever. #editorchat
[21:02:16] bob_bobala: @QuickenPRChels What are you doing here?! #editorchat
[21:02:18] IrisJumbe: Hi, all. Jumping right in: Q3 I think lower expcttions r because there’s such a low barrier of entry 2 submitting content online #editorchat
[21:02:19] tweditor: I’ll write only if I can take a whimsical, conversational tone. Or send me "source material" and fool me into rewriting. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:02:25] DougLance: @bob_bobala the two are intertwined beyond recognition. I prefer to write however #editorchat
[21:02:26] TMFZahrim: Re Web Conversation: If I ended articles "What do you think?" few readers would know where the comments box was. #editorchat
[21:02:47] palafo: @unearthingasia We expect both to be of same quality in writing & reporting; Web-first tends to be breaking news, "developing." #editor
[21:02:50] TMFZahrim: @jennipps Phew! 🙂 #editorchat
[21:02:51] anndouglas: @QuickenPRChels Do you find you have to switch mindsets to switch tasks? #editorchat
[21:03:04] rsylvester: @jimmcbee But the content will still be valuable. Youre right that no one has yet figured out how to pay for quality content #editorchat
[21:03:04] twazzup: New Trend : #editorchat [twitter search] http://minurl.org/cp4
[21:03:18] foleymo: @Single_Shot People expect more than just "news delivery" now. They want to have conversations around it in real time with you. #editorchat
[21:03:41] BeckyDMBR: @IrisJumbe And/or low (or no) pay? #editorchat
[21:03:43] konadad: @bob_bobala Above all, editors and writers need to be good readers. Can’t forget about our audience. #editorchat
[21:03:46] kathysena: Once saw final-but-unedited copy by guy who had been pub. for yrs in mags. Full of errors. Had editors been bailing him out? #editorchat
[21:03:49] wordful: A lot of the professional bloggers tell you that good writing is not necessary –people just want information. I don’t buy it. #editorchat
[21:04:04] Single_Shot: @anndouglas @milehighfool Hamster’s the new black! #editorchat
[21:04:26] tweditor: @jimmcbee I couldn’t agree more with you (this time!). Even the best editors are not infallible. The more eyes, the better. #editorchat
[21:04:42] bob_bobala: @Single_Shot Agreed! #editorchat
[21:04:44] milehighfool: @foleymo More than most, BusinessWeek seems to be plugging into this trend. Does conversation produce profit? #editorchat
[21:04:47] LydiaBreakfast: @kathysena I think there are plenty of those "professionals" around, editors doing all the heavy lifting for them. #editorchat
[21:05:08] LydiaBreakfast: @wordful Neither do I. #editorchat
[21:05:11] anndouglas: @wordful Do you mean in terms of basic principles of journalism (fact-checking, etc.)? #editorchat
[21:05:13] TMFZahrim: @Single_Shot Or is hamster the new badger? http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ #editorchat
[21:05:20] collazoprojects: Never understood writers who say "I can’t spell" or "My grammar’s bad." Writing isn’t just putting words together. #editorchat
[21:05:24] IrisJumbe: @wordful I’m with you. It’s untrue. People expect both – content and quality. otherwise their will get their info-fix elsewhere #editorchat
[21:05:24] milehighfool: @wordful I don’t either. Blogging is writing without a net — no editor to bail you out. #editorchat
[21:05:30] kathysena: So are folks who are willing to write for 5 cents/word going to win out in this economy? Or will professional writing prevail? #editorchat
[21:05:43] foleymo: @milehighfool I’m not sure about profit, but transparency produces trust. Not sure if trust produces profit. #editorchat
[21:05:44] tweditor: @wordful That makes me nauseous. As long as poor grammar and spelling irritates, we’re needed. #editorchat
[21:05:59] AmySueNathan: I can’t believe I’m late again. Got swept up hearing about Natasha Richardson. 😦 #editorchat
[21:06:00] collazoprojects: I refuse to be a "heavy lifting" editor. #editorchat
[21:06:07] kathysena: @LydiaBreakfast Why are writers like that given assignments more than once? #editorchat
[21:06:10] LydiaBreakfast: Good segue to next Q: Does the Web spell the end of good narrative because of the very short attention spans of online readers? #editorchat
[21:06:12] gmarkham: good writing AND editing are going to become more important to cut through the cruft. #editorchat
[21:06:28] debbieharry: @kathysena You’ve dared to ask the big question! #editorchat
[21:06:32] jennipps: @kathysena I want to say I think professional writing will prevail, but I’m afraid that’s actually more of a hope. #editorchat
[21:06:35] AlbrightDC: @milehighfool I’m constantly editing my blog entries long after they’ve been posted. #editorchat
[21:06:48] velvet_trope: Also on Q3 (I can hear the groans now): I do think since novelty of web is wearing off, there are higher expect. of content #editorchat
[21:06:55] LydiaBreakfast: @debbieharry @kathysena – we’re getting there #editorchat
[21:06:57] kathysena: RT Good. There are enough pros around that you should have to "lift." @collazoprojects: I refuse to be a "heavy lifting" editor. #
[21:07:01] milehighfool: RT @gmarkham: good writing AND editing are going to become more important to cut through the cruft. #editorchat
[21:07:04] JDEbberly: @AmySueNathan Welcome Back, Amy! 🙂 #editorchat
[21:07:13] Single_Shot: @foleymo It is interesting to have a forum 2 discuss the news process (like a reporter’s blog). Is that what u mean? #editorchat
[21:07:36] AmySueNathan: @LydiaBreakfast I think there will always be readers of long-form journalism and writing. I must believe that. #editorchat
[21:07:38] palafo: @kathysena Skill sets vary. Not every great documents reporter is a great writing stylist. #editorchat
[21:08:06] Single_Shot: @TMFZahrim Okay, THAT was scary. #editorchat
[21:08:23] tweditor: @LydiaBreakfast @AmySueNathan I agree. I’ve enjoyed many loooonnnggg articles online. #editorchat
[21:08:26] JaySlacks: @milehighfool Completely agree with that. #editorchat
[21:08:37] AmySueNathan: With the internet, blogs, ezines etc…everyone who writes thinks he’s a writer. It takes longer to find what’s real. #editorchat
[21:08:40] janeco: @LydiaBreakfast Could be, online = news/facts fast, that’s why I still believe there’s a strng need for newspapers #editorchat
[21:08:41] kathysena: @palafo Good point. And some people can tell a great story but can’t spell. #editorchat
[21:08:42] anndouglas: @kathysena Inquiring writers want to know…. #editorchat
[21:08:47] Single_Shot: @kathysena Please say professional writing! #editorchat
[21:08:48] konadad: @kathysena Agreed. I’m not a big fan of heavy lifting. Not my job. #editorchat
[21:08:48] milehighfool: @kathysena Right. Writers who create work for editors don’t write for food money. #editorchat
[21:09:01] bweikle: @kathysena Sadly, I think every mag and paper has a star columnist/writer who has a rep and contacts but bad writing. #editorchat
[21:09:14] JWKirsch: If Web and the "new media" is taking over print, then why not strive to meet the same accuracy standards? #editorchat
[21:09:15] AlbrightDC: I think there is always a market for long form writing but now you need a pitch or hook to find your audience. #editorchat
[21:09:20] foleymo: @Single_Shot That would be cool. Or a live stream of the 3 o’clock meeting. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:09:21] collazoprojects: I don’t buy "web readers have short attention spans". It’s a generalization & ignores lots of other factors (inc. presentation). #editor
[21:09:25] IrisJumbe: @BeckyDMBR "low" pay = very subjective. Editors have 2 sift thru a lot to separate online wheat from online chaff #editorchat
[21:09:43] JaySlacks: @bweikle I know plenty of those. Especially when I was a columnist. #editorchat
[21:09:45] velvet_trope: Q3 cont’d: As content expectations have risen, I see more and more dead sites/falling on the wayside b/c of poor content #editorchat
[21:09:45] bob_bobala: @bweikle That’s true. A lot of work behind the scenes! #editorchat
[21:09:50] LydiaBreakfast: We’ve dealt with the issue of fair pay before, and continue to do so here. #editorchat
[21:10:01] kathysena: RT Not sure what you mean here. Did I mis-speak? It’s possible! 🙂 @Single_Shot: @kathysena Please say professional writing! #editorchat
[21:10:22] anndouglas: @IrisJumbe Websites that rely on free content get what they pay for. #editorchat
[21:10:30] IrisJumbe: @collazoprojects Do you accept that web readers are more likely to skim/scan than they are to read each word? #editorchat
[21:10:30] gmarkham: Tonight;s routine: Read All Friends tweets, clear column; read #editorchat tweets, clear column; repeat instantly
[21:10:34] Single_Shot: @janeco There’s a special place in heaven for people who still believe in newspapers. #editorchat
[21:10:39] milehighfool: @JWKirsch I’m not sure that it is. Even with more content going digital I think print is where narrative comes alive. #editorchat
[21:10:39] janeco: @tweditor I dont have the patience to read long articles online, I print them out #editorchat
[21:10:42] LydiaBreakfast: Speaking of solid professionals – Q5 What qualities do editors look for when hiring a writer for online content? #editorchat
[21:10:44] tweditor: @collazoprojects Excellent point about presentation. Think of how quickly we’ve moved from seizure-inducing MySpace pages. #editorchat
[21:10:49] littlebrownpen: @IrisJumbe I agree. It also makes it hard for editors to find good writers. Too much noise in the inbox. #editorchat
[21:10:53] palafo: @LydiaBreakfast More tools for narrative — photos, video, audio, multimedia. Better text presentation and design badly needed. #editorchat
[21:10:55] foleymo: Have a chat room going during the live stream of the 3 o’clock meeting. Ask readers directly what they want to see in paper. #editorchat
[21:11:06] IrisJumbe: @anndouglas Agreed, Ann. #editorchat
[21:11:09] Single_Shot: @foleymo A live stream of an editorial meeting? Eeek! #editorchat
[21:11:15] LydiaBreakfast: @gmarkham glad we hooked you in 😉 #editorchat
[21:11:31] chrisharrop: Plug my old boss’ new paper, Victoria Advocate, videocasts their daily editorial meetings with chat interactivity. #editorchat
[21:11:38] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q5 What qualities do editors look for when hiring a writer for online content? #editorchat
[21:11:44] gmarkham: @IrisJumbe yes, they skim, until something compelling stops them. — words, images, video, sound. #editorchat
[21:11:46] anndouglas: @kathysena Book editor complimented me for being independent writer (author who can write). #editorchat
[21:11:50] tweditor: @foleymo So you’re crowdsourcing newspaper content? #editorchat
[21:12:04] foleymo: @Single_Shot I know, but people are getting to the point where they actually want to see how the sausage is made. #editorchat
[21:12:11] kathysena: @bweikle Yes, at a newspaper I worked for, we had a writer who really could paint a picture. But the copy desk went nuts! #editorchat
[21:12:16] IrisJumbe: RT @Lydiabreakfast Q5 What qualities do editors look for when hiring a writer for online content? #editorchat
[21:12:17] Single_Shot: @milehighfool Nicely put, Mile High! They’re "I’m just doing this for fun" writers. #editorchat
[21:12:31] anndouglas: @Single_Shot Trend duly noted. Will recommend to others. #editorchat
[21:12:31] gmarkham: @LydiaBreakfast it’s a great chat: one of the best #editorchat
[21:12:34] jimmcbee: rt @foleymo Have a chat room going during the live stream of the 3 o’clock meeting. Ask readers what they want to see in paper. #editorchat
[21:12:44] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Speed. #editorchat
[21:12:45] Single_Shot: @foleymo All right, who invited the sausage to the 3 p.m. editorial meeting? ; ) #editorchat
[21:12:47] milehighfool: @tweditor Re: crowdsourcing, it’s already happening. Hearst hiring Helium to fill some content in CT newspapers. #editorchat
[21:13:00] rsylvester: @gmarkham And ethics & professionalism will standout from the noise #editorchat
[21:13:39] gmarkham: @rsylvester indeed. #editorchat
[21:13:44] lowrentmagazine: #editorchat If only half of all the halfies of the world read literary journals and only half of them bought ours~how nice that would be.
[21:13:44] wordful: Is there an easy way to keep up with this chat? Seems very difficult on Twitter. #editorchat
[21:13:47] kathysena: @anndouglas Interesting. So that editor was THAT used to authors who weren’t really writers. Sad. #editorchat
[21:13:48] stephauteri: is jumping in for the last 20 minutes. #editorchat
[21:13:56] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast My editors ALWAYS talk about hiring freelancers who KNOW THE PRODUCT, who read the product, who pay attention. #editorchat
[21:14:05] anndouglas: @collazoprojects But they have platform. Platform trumps punctuation. #editorchat
[21:14:15] tweditor: @wordful try tweetchat.com #editorchat
[21:14:21] jennipps: I need to go try to figure out a tech problem. I’ll check out the rest of the chat via the transcript. #editorchat
[21:14:25] TMFZahrim: @wordful Using http://tweetgrid.com, works pretty well #editorchat
[21:14:28] littlebrownpen: @wordful I like tweetchat.com – so easy to follow #editorchat
[21:14:34] paradisekitten: @wordful http://tweetchat.com/ #editorchat
[21:14:35] IrisJumbe: @gmarkham Agreed. Was challenging: "web readers don’t ncssarily have short attntion spans". One has to write like they do. #editorchat
[21:14:39] anndouglas: @milehighfool And with some of the contracts media orgs ask bloggers to sign, you want that net. #editorchat
[21:14:47] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot I second the Eeeek! #editorchat
[21:14:50] AlbrightDC: RT @wordful: Is there an easy way to keep up with this chat? Seems very difficult on Twitter. #editorchat
[21:14:50] milehighfool: @jennipps Take care, Jen. #editorchat
[21:14:58] IrisJumbe: RT @littlebrownpen @wordful I like tweetchat.com – so easy to follow #editorchat
[21:14:59] Single_Shot: @milehighfool Helium. Hearst. Grrrrrrrr. #editorchat
[21:15:08] JDEbberly: @stephauteri Jump right in, steph! This is one of the BEST editorchats EVER!! #editorchat
[21:15:12] foleymo: @Single_Shot People will be more engaged readers if you give them a way to participate in the decisions. #editorchat
[21:15:12] LydiaBreakfast: @AlbrightDC use tweetchat #editorchat
[21:15:14] debbieharry: @anndouglas Having been on the other side of this (book mktg), "platform" informs my every move as a writer. Sadly. #editorchat
[21:15:15] bweikle: @kathysena Please, please don’t write for 5 cents a word, anybody. I shouldn’t be saying that as a web editor with small budget. #editorchat
[21:15:37] anndouglas: @kathysena Someone suggested at a chat the other night that pay-for-placement was solution to media $ woes. #editorchat
[21:15:49] travelinggal: Good evening everyone #editorchat
[21:15:49] Single_Shot: @wordful Try Tweetchat.com. Log in with user name and password, then give editorchat as the chat you want to join. #editorchat
[21:15:53] kathysena: @AlbrightDC I’m following conversation here by using TweetDeck with a search column for the hashtag. Works great. #editorchat
[21:15:58] stephauteri: @JDEbberly: I had a feeling it would be. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:16:09] foleymo: @AlbrightDC Use http://tweetchat.com or http://tweetgrid.com to keep up with the conversation here. #editorchat
[21:16:09] konadad: @Single_Shot Agreed. The worst pitches are from writers who clearly haven’t done their research about the publication. #editorchat
[21:16:11] bacigalupe: @collazoprojects the readership may have expanded a lot too, there are more writer/readers (prosumers concept) #editorchat
[21:16:17] LydiaBreakfast: @bweikle If we writers take pay like that we will become the piece-workers of the knowlege economy. NOT good. For anyone. #editorchat
[21:16:44] bob_bobala: @Single_Shot Hiring subject matter experts is good, but I’ll hire a great writer who can learn over almost everybody else. #editorchat
[21:16:49] TMFZahrim: @wordful Or, wait ’til tomorrow and search Twitter for #editorchat 🙂 Less interactive of course.
[21:16:51] milehighfool: @Single_Shot But it’s happening. It’s the "anyone can be a writer" problem. helium is capitalizing. #editorchat
[21:17:05] JaySlacks: @ryssiebee You should get into this convo. Do you have tweetchat? Check out #editorchat. Writers talking about writer ish.
[21:17:07] jimmcbee: When Bluffton Today printed chatter from its Web site, readers loved it. It’s now a staple. #editorchat
[21:17:10] littlebrownpen: RT: @LydiaBreakfast @bweikle If we writers take pay like that we will become the piece-workers of the knowlege economy. #editorchat
[21:17:10] wordful: Much better here on tweetchat! #editorchat #editorchat
[21:17:15] milehighfool: I believe anyone *can* be a writer, but not without a crapload of practice. #editorchat
[21:17:23] kathysena: @bweikle Agreed. I’m an ASJA member, and we’re always encouraging members to not undersell themselves. #editorchat
[21:17:44] foleymo: This blog post lays out the times were in: "Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable": http://bit.ly/XLD0 #editorchat
[21:17:47] Single_Shot: @foleymo Interesting idea. My inner attention whore is now at war with my inner control freak. #editorchat
[21:18:04] JaySlacks: @milehighfool That’s the problem with the internet. There are too many cooks, not enough pots and the food quality is suffering #editorchat
[21:18:10] stephauteri: @milehighfool: I agree. A lot of writing today seems to be all narrative without any of the research, or polished writing. #editorchat
[21:18:11] velvet_trope: Oh…much better on tweetchat.com! Still fast & furious, but better. #editorchat # editorchat
[21:18:14] kathysena: @bweikle Now reprints? For smaller regional pubs? I’m willing to work with small budgets for 1-time reprint rights. #editorchat
[21:18:14] JDEbberly: RT @Single_Shot: @foleymo Interesting idea. My inner attention whore is now at war with my inner control freak. #editorchat
[21:18:20] anndouglas: @debbieharry I could break into 10,000 tweets, but I won’t. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:18:28] trendsy: #editorchat: #editorchat is now a trending topic on Twitter.
[21:18:29] TMFZahrim: @milehighfool Agreed. Used to feel guilty for taking $$$ for writing. But so few care to do the hard work. #editorchat
[21:18:37] rsylvester: Heck out @bydanielvictor. His readers are his assignment editors in PA They tell him what to cover through his blog. #editorchat
[21:18:38] jimmcbee: Wow, tweetchat DOES rule. Just like an old IRC chat. #editorchat
[21:18:40] IrisJumbe: @LydiaBreakfast I support the principle. Tough to consider "greater good" knowing that if u don’t do it, some1 else will :/ #editorchat
[21:18:43] bob_bobala: @milehighfool You’re just going to have to keep getting better at your craft! So you can rise above the other million "writers." #editorchat
[21:18:45] travelinggal: Unfortunately there are people, who consider themselves "writers", who will write for .05/word. Anything to get published. #editorchat
[21:18:46] foleymo: @Single_Shot The revolution is afoot. The readers have found the way to get the power back and they’re coming to take it. #editorchat
[21:18:48] JaySlacks: @stephauteri Does internet blogs and turnovers give us time to research? #editorchat
[21:18:57] tweditor: I think there’s value in expertise, but editors will receive better drafts if they give great direction and background info. #editorchat
[21:19:02] anndouglas: @bweikle And if ever there was a writer-friendly editor, it is this editor. <—— #editorchat
[21:19:13] milehighfool: @JaySlacks And too many are are the stove without having ever cracked a cookbook. #editorchat
[21:19:18] travelinggal: I’ll work with a small budget regarding reprints. #editorchat
[21:19:21] wordful: Nice to be surrounded by people who really, truly care about standards of written content! #editorchat
[21:19:25] Single_Shot: @konadad Or even surfed around the website. I study potential markets like a crazed stalker. And it usually pays off. #editorchat
[21:19:26] JDEbberly: RT @Single_Shot The revolution is afoot. The readers have found the way to get the power back and they’re coming to take it. #editorchat
[21:19:28] JaySlacks: @jimmcbee Yeah, I’m impressed with it as well. #editorchat
[21:19:31] LydiaBreakfast: Q5 What qualities do editors look for when hiring a writer for online content? Looking at writer’s blogs? (via @girlgumption) #editorchat
[21:19:36] anndouglas: That arrow was supposed to point to @bweikle! #editorchat
[21:19:45] stephauteri: @JaySlacks: It definitely makes it more difficult, but I feel that content is suffering for it. #editorchat
[21:19:59] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool Just like those who will prey on prospective actors, musicians and artists. Capitalizing on their dream. #editorchat
[21:20:01] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Right. Now I remember why I miss you editing my stuff. Thanks, Professor Positive 🙂 #editorchat
[21:20:05] SlushPiler: #editorchat is a new top trend. Follow it on twitterfall at http://twitterfall.com/#editorchat.
[21:20:06] travelinggal: @Single_Shot so do I! #editorchat
[21:20:16] nytwriters: palafo: @kathysena Skill sets vary. Not every great documents reporter is a great writing stylist. #editorchat: .. http://tinyurl.com/ddl2w9
[21:20:36] littlebrownpen: I’ve been hired more than a few times because of my blog, which is quite funny considering it’s mostly photos these days. #editorchat
[21:20:37] JaySlacks: @stephauteri I completely agree with you. Print gives us the time and drive to get it right. Internet writing has its problems. #editorchat
[21:20:42] debbieharry: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q5 What qualities do editors look for when hiring a writer for online content? Looking at writer’s blogs? #editorchat
[21:20:43] stephauteri: @JaySlacks: I think one can easily tell the difference b/w a piece that was pulled out of thin air… #editorchat
[21:20:45] konadad: @JaySlacks I big fan of slow cooking. #editorchat
[21:20:51] rsylvester: Check out @bydanielvictor. His readers are his assignment editors in PA They tell him what to cover through his blog. #editorchat
[21:21:00] Single_Shot: @milehighfool But don’t you think the "anyone can be a writer" phase is going to pass soon — like a bad case of diarrhea? #editorchat
[21:21:02] gmarkham: @LydiaBreakfast a point I make to my students: everything you do online has the potential of being your "portfolio" #editorchat
[21:21:06] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Pfffft! I don’t believe that any more than I believe "Anyone can be a teacher." #editorchat
[21:21:07] stephauteri: @JaySlacks:…and a piece that someone took the time to carefully craft and prepare. #editorchat
[21:21:09] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Personality. A unique pespective. Lack of self-indulgence. #editorchat
[21:21:12] leximaven: @collazoprojects Plz don’t generalize. Not all writers are lazy. Some actually DO check their own work. #editorchat
[21:21:17] taoswriter: @milehighfool Agree, & stringing pretty sentences together is the least of it. Delivering a researched story, whole other thing #editorchat
[21:21:31] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Qualify "writer" and "teacher" with "good." #editorchat
[21:21:39] stephauteri: @JaySlacks: I do love the blogging, though, for its interactive qualities. #editorchat
[21:21:43] emanbruin: following #editorchat
[21:21:44] travelinggal: @Single_Shot I don’t know. People do think writing is easy, esp. those who’ve never done it. #editorchat
[21:21:47] milehighfool: @TMFZahrim Precisely. The real digital divide = misperception that Web writing somehow requires less legwork #editorchat
[21:21:47] JaySlacks: @BeckyDMBR I teach english, and believe me that is not even close to true. #editorchat
[21:21:52] LydiaBreakfast: RT @gmarkham a point I make to my students: everything you do online has the potential of being your "portfolio" #editorchat
[21:21:58] TMFZahrim: @BeckyDMBR Anyone CAN be a teacher. It’s just that most of ’em would suck. #editorchat
[21:22:01] debbieharry: @littlebrownpen Me, too. Blogging helped me make the transition from COPYwriter to writer. #editorchat
[21:22:08] JWKirsch: @milehighfool #editorchat Don’t understand why writing content suffers online when the same research and thoughtful writing can be done.
[21:22:09] bob_bobala: @Single_Shot That might be wishful thinking, but I’ll be standing with you to hand out the Pepto-Bismol! #editorchat
[21:22:17] collazoprojects: No, not generalizing, esp. since I’m a writer, too. But as an ed, I see plenty of writers AREN’T checking– & that’s a problem. #editorchat
[21:22:23] bacigalupe: @LydiaBreakfast in academic peer context this dynamic go on but the financial piece causes publishers to worry and not writers #editorchat
[21:22:42] littlebrownpen: @debbieharry same with me. It’s nice not to spin all day everyday. #editorchat
[21:22:42] Single_Shot: @foleymo Readers are in revolt? Hmmm. #editorchat
[21:22:48] stephauteri: RT @travelinggal: People do think writing is easy, esp. those who’ve never done it. (Amen to that!) #editorchat
[21:22:58] janeco: RT gmarkham @LydiaBreakfast a point I make to my students: everything you do online has the potential of being your "portfolio" #editorchat
[21:23:07] gipson: Too tired to join #editorchat ;( if u’re a writer/blogger/pr you should def partake in tonight’s chat. Go to tweetchat.com, room: editorchat
[21:23:09] anndouglas: @Single_Shot Maybe they’ll all become urban gardeners (new trend). #editorchat
[21:23:21] debbieharry: @littlebrownpen amen to that, sister #editorchat
[21:23:22] bob_bobala: @travelinggal My dad used to tell me "Writers are all a dime a dozen. And they’re all unemployed!" Great, positive coach. #editorchat
[21:23:27] unearthingasia: #editorchat here’s a thought, bloggers make good columnists, but no necessarily journalists. true/false?
[21:23:27] LydiaBreakfast: @JWKirsch do you think quick turn-around has something to do with it? #editorchat
[21:23:43] AlbrightDC: RT @gmarkham a point I make to my students: everything you do online has the potential of being your "portfolio" #editorchat
[21:23:53] unearthingasia: #editorchat hmm that should’ve been agree/disagree… =/
[21:24:05] bob_bobala: @unearthingasia Very true. #editorchat
[21:24:07] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Maybe. But I love my Zinsser — writing is a craft that can be learned. #editorchat
[21:24:08] tweditor: @unearthingasia True! True! Blogging is hard, ya’ll. #editorchat
[21:24:39] anyluckyday: Any editors looking to interview/write about an interesting business model? #editorchat
[21:24:41] jimmcbee: I’d say it this way: the best columnists are also good journalists @unearthingasia #editorchat #editorchat
[21:24:43] stephauteri: @unearthingasia: It depends. Some bloggers were journalists firsts, and so learned those higher standards of writing. #editorchat
[21:24:45] foleymo: @Single_Shot And who can blame them? Over the decades, the reader opinion page has shrunk to almost nothing. #editorchat
[21:25:06] Single_Shot: @travelinggal Brain surgery? Schmain surgery. I could totally do that! #editorchat
[21:25:06] littlebrownpen: @unearthingasia I consider journalism something you absolutely must be trained to do. Blogging is more like column writing. #editorchat
[21:25:09] Edit_Foundry: RT @gmarkham good writing AND editing are going to become more important to cut through the cruft. #editorchat
[21:25:27] sydneyowen: Hi guys, just got home from SXSW and saw a friend’s tweet. What’s it all about in here? #editorchat
[21:25:32] travelinggal: @tweditor I agree; blogging isn’t the easy way into writing. There really isn’t any easy way in. #editorchat
[21:25:35] anndouglas: @bob_bobala My Dad took me for a drive and showed me the StatsCan income figures for writers. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:25:35] stephauteri: And by higher standards, I mean preparation, research, etc. #editorchat
[21:25:35] janeco: @bob_bobala Many journalists are now bloggers #editorchat
[21:25:40] IrisJumbe: @travelinggal: Writing *is* easy. Writing well: tougher. Unlike, for example, being a surgeon where u either can or u can’t #editorchat
[21:25:51] Single_Shot: @bob_bobala Thanks, partner! #editorchat
[21:25:52] milehighfool: Keep going if you like, all, but @LydiaBreakfast and I check out in 5. Now’s the time if you want to post an intro and link. #editorchat
[21:25:53] soultravelers3: @gmarkham I am already making that point to my daughter in homeschool & she is only 8 but already doing online classes. #editorchat
[21:26:11] debbieharry: @Quaison My very first job out of college. I majored in creative writing, wanted to work in bk publishing. Had good mentors! #editorchat
[21:26:12] JDEbberly: @sydneyowen Welcome to editorchat, Sydney! #editorchat
[21:26:20] BeckyDMBR: @unearthingasia It depends on their focus. There’s a difference between opinion and reporting. #editorchat
[21:26:22] snubbr: @debbieharry Blogs are important to me.. if you got a blog, and post frequently, with plenty of comments, that’s a plus #editorchat
[21:26:27] travelinggal: What’s the old joke. A writer and doctor are in the elevator together. They start talking and the doctor asks the writer what he #editorchat
[21:26:31] TMFZahrim: @IrisJumbe If at first you don’t succeed, stay awa from skydiving. And surgery. #editorchat
[21:26:34] rsylvester: @unearthingasia Some bloggers are the new columnists. Some journalists are the new bloggers. #editorchat
[21:26:42] milehighfool: @sydneyowen All the details are at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat
[21:27:01] BeckyDMBR: @TMFZahrim LOL! #editorchat
[21:27:05] MetaHash: Wrote about #Editorchat on http://metaha.sh/. Waiting to see if a more formal structured chat format will do well on free-for-all Twitter…
[21:27:05] travelinggal: does and the writer says,"I’m a writer." The doctor says, "I want to write when I retire." The writer looks at him, "Funny, I
[21:27:05] LydiaBreakfast: We are going to wrap shortly, but feel free to continue the discussion here or at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat
[21:27:11] jimmcbee: @IrisJumbe there are bad surgeons, too 😮 But yes, there’s no certification process to be a writer. #editorchat #editorchat
[21:27:12] JWKirsch: @LydiaBreakfast Daily and spot news requires fast turn-around within the high standards of accuracy – it can be done online, too #editorchat
[21:27:15] stephauteri: Ohnos! Ending already! I’m Steph, a blogger/freelance writer. #editorchat
[21:27:19] travelinggal: "…want to be a doctor when I retire." #editorchat
[21:27:36] TMFZahrim: Intro: Motley Fool writer, coworker of @milehighfool. Happy to hang 🙂 #editorchat
[21:27:37] LydiaBreakfast: @travelinggal Ugh, I heard that in real life (I know a lot of docs who say they have a book in them) #editorchat
[21:27:41] leximaven: @collazoprojects Perhaps they don’t think it’s their job, which is a total mistake. #editorchat
[21:27:49] Single_Shot: @milehighfool Sure — we’re always learning as writers. One BIG thing I’ve learned — don’t write for free. #editorchat
[21:27:49] a2editor: Hi editorchat. I’m a little late… #editorchat
[21:28:07] travelinggal: @LydiaBreakfast and tell them that’s where they should keep it. #editorchat
[21:28:13] shortformblog: Keeps seeing that his old boss Jim McBee talking to editorchat and wanted to say hello. #editorchat
[21:28:13] LydiaBreakfast: @a2editor we’re about to mop the floor 😉 #editorchat
[21:28:18] IrisJumbe: @TMFZahrim Heh. Solid advice, Anders #editorchat
[21:28:29] bob_bobala: Nice meeting you all. I used to work for the Motley Fool, now work for Intuit. But write fiction, too: exitstrategypress.com #editorchat
[21:28:40] LydiaBreakfast: @travelinggal LOL! #editorchat
[21:28:42] milehighfool: RT @Single_Shot: One BIG thing I’ve learned — don’t write for free. (Huge high-five.) #editorchat
[21:28:42] BeckyDMBR: Thanks, @milehighfool & @LydiaBreakfast for another great chat! #editorchat
[21:28:43] wordful: The blogging industry has very weak editorial standards. Some of the top blogs are messy with poor writing. #editorchat #editorchat
[21:28:51] tweditor: It was so nice meeting you all! I’m in heaven with so many editors … #editorchat
[21:29:11] a2editor: @LydiaBreakfast *groan* I know. Happy to dip in even for 3 minutes. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:29:13] wordful: @tweditor likewise 😉 #editorchat
[21:29:16] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Great to see you here, Bob. Hope yoiu’ll be back next week. #editorchat
[21:29:17] JWKirsch: @mikebilleter #editorchat "W/attention spans being short, web writing basically has to be" short, fast – it is with limited print space too
[21:29:18] HandymanTourist: Does Twittering help writing skills? #editorchat
[21:29:20] LydiaBreakfast: I am in heaven with such a great discussion and good energy! #editorchat
[21:29:24] foleymo: Yes, great chatting with y’all. It’s fun to toss ideas around with each other. #editorchat
[21:29:24] shortformblog: SmartNews, the thing that @jimmcbee is working on, is pretty cool. We quite dig. #editorchat
[21:29:27] anndouglas: Ann Douglas, author of The Mother of All Pregnancy Books; @conceive columnist; http://thestar.blogs.com/anndouglas/ etc #editorchat
[21:29:32] stephauteri: @wordful: I believe part of that is b/c so many blogging networks are about quantity, not quality. #editorchat
[21:29:43] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Will do. Thanks for the invite! #editorchat
[21:29:49] littlebrownpen: Night all. I’m going to go read some long-form pieces about the Fed printing money. See? Journalism = not dead. #editorchat
[21:29:50] debbieharry: Thanks for a great #editorchat
[21:29:51] JDEbberly: Thank you so much @LydiaBreakfast and @milehighfool for The BEST Editorchat yet!! 🙂 #editorchat
[21:29:53] stephauteri: @wordful: And it’s a come one, come all sort of mentality. #editorchat
[21:30:01] LydiaBreakfast: Feel free to intro yourself again and send us a link to your work #editorchat
[21:30:05] shortformblog: @wordful Is my blog messy and poorly edited? http://shortformblog.com/ Be honest, man. #editorchat
[21:30:09] milehighfool: @tweditor Thanks for joining. This was one of my favorites thus far. Genuises, you all are. #editorchat
[21:30:17] travelinggal: @stephauteri @wordful I think it depends on the network. #editorchat
[21:30:21] Single_Shot: @foleymo But what about all those online reader comment boards? They have plenty of opp. to contribute but all they do is fight. #editorchat
[21:30:21] konadad: RT @milehighfool: RT @Single_Shot: One BIG thing I’ve learned — don’t write for free. (Huge high-five.) Unless it’s a Tweet for #editorchat
[21:30:22] LydiaBreakfast: @JDEbberly Thanks JD 🙂 #editorchat
[21:30:27] jimmcbee: Will gladly pimp @shortformblog Ernie’s a great designer, creative soul, has really picked up writing/editing, too #editorchat #editorchat
[21:30:28] collazoprojects: Enjoyed #editorchat tonight. Thanks for the engaging discussion, everyone!
[21:30:29] debbieharry: I write about food, parenting, fitness, diet. http://wordstoeatby.blogspot.com/ #editorchat
[21:30:43] wordful: @stephauteri yes, I agree, and I intend to do something about that #editorchat
[21:30:48] stephauteri: @travelinggal: Oh, for sure. #editorchat
[21:31:05] emanbruin: This has been all very helpful, from what I was following. Thanks! #editorchat
[21:31:07] JaySlacks: Wonderful chat, guys. Looking forward to next week. #editorchat
[21:31:12] taoswriter: @HandymanTourist Sure makes us focus our message! #editorchat
[21:31:12] JDEbberly: @LydiaBreakfast You’re definitely welcome Lydia!! 🙂 🙂 #editorchat
[21:31:15] TMFZahrim: @Single_Shot OMG agreed, ever looked at finance.yahoo.com boards? 😛 #editorchat
[21:31:18] foleymo: @Single_Shot That’s because nobody is being nice to them and actually listening to them. #editorchat
[21:31:20] Single_Shot: @travelinggal Excellent joke, traveling gal. I want to travel when I retire. ; ) #editorchat
[21:31:29] unearthingasia: Glad I woke up in time for #editorchat. Good timing too, now, breakfast then work! 🙂
[21:31:36] jimmcbee: Great chat, guys. Glad I turned up. Please add me. #editorchat #editorchat
[21:31:43] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Thanks so much. My first #editorchat Will be back. – Ann
[21:31:50] foleymo: @Single_Shot It’s not good to cordon off your readers in their own chat room and just leave them alone. #editorchat
[21:31:59] IrisJumbe: Thanks @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool & everyone for a fab chat. Learned a little and found intrsting new peeps 2 follow #editorchat
[21:32:05] Single_Shot: @milehighfool I’m chest bumping you right now in my head. #editorchat
[21:32:13] konadad: Great #editorchat tonight. Lots of fun and informative. Looking forward to the next one.
[21:32:19] travelinggal: @Single_Shot 🙂 #editorchat
[21:32:20] wordful: @shortformblog very funny. I’m a blogger, too. I’m not saying everyone is like that. Your blog is pretty cool actually #editorchat
[21:32:22] JDEbberly: Gte the very latest updates about blogging/pr/mktg/seo/new media every day from none other than —-> @JDEbberly 🙂 #editorchat
[21:32:29] milehighfool: Night all. Great chat. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor. Works with @TMFZahrim and conspires with @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat
[21:32:53] stephauteri: I’m glad I got to catch the end of this! Check out my stuff at Nerve.com, or even my website: stephauteri.com #editorchat
[21:33:04] foleymo: A good "information king" should walk among the people, not rule from an ivory tower. #editorchat
[21:33:07] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot @travelinggal I want to relax when I retire. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:33:11] milehighfool: @anndouglas Outstanding. Thanks, Ann. Great having you here. #editorchat
[21:33:18] JaySlacks: Everyone have a good night. Peep my blog if you get bored. jarvisslacks.wordpress.com. #editorchat
[21:33:28] JDEbberly: We’re really looking forward to seeing all of you again next Wed night 8p-930pm EST!! Bring your friends! 🙂 #editorchat
[21:33:31] LydiaBreakfast: Swell chatting with all of you, especially our newcomers. Lydia Dishman, freelance features writer/biz reporter. #editorchat
[21:33:55] Single_Shot: @foleymo Hmmmm … don’t buy it. But perhaps we’ll have a chance to discuss this further at some point. #editorchat
[21:33:55] TMFZahrim: ‘night all, great time tonight #editorchat
[21:34:36] travelinggal: Night everyone! It was a pleasure. Apryl Chapman Thomas, freelance writer/blogger #editorchat
[21:34:57] rondoylewrites: Fiddlesticks, my ASL class squashed my hopes of joining #editorchat again. 😦 Ron Doyle, freelance writer and deaf girl daddy.
[21:35:04] a2editor: I’ll try to stop in more than 3 minutes before the end next week. Laura Cowan, editor/writer blogging at a2editor.wordpress.com #editorchat
[21:35:08] shortformblog: @wordful Thanks. You’re right, tho. I went to pitchfork.com today to see an anticipated review that had a major editing error. #editorchat
[21:35:11] BeckyDMBR: Love the conversations here. My blogs are on my Twitter profile, and I’m here & there in print (yes! for now) & online. #editorchat
[21:35:29] Single_Shot: @foleymo Yes, left to their own devices, they can be mischievous. And, um, incredibly abusive. Agree forums have not worked. #editorchat
[21:35:34] gmarkham: @LydiaBreakfast thanks for letting an old editor-turned-teacher in. that’s a really great, smart session. #editorchat
[21:35:42] a2editor: @rondoylewrites I just arrived as well. Maybe next week. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:35:51] SuziSteffen: Oh shoot. #editorchat just doesn’t work well for me on the West Coast! Dang, missed it again. Maybe next week …
[21:36:08] jimmcbee: Thanks to all. Jim McBee, writer, editor, partner in http://smartnews.com freelance marketplace. #editorchat #editorchat
[21:36:32] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen we’ll be here next week 🙂 #editorchat
[21:37:05] anndouglas: @tweditor Keeping up with reader comments in meaningful way requires energy/commitment. #editorchat
[21:37:06] BeckyDMBR: @littlebrownpen I ❤ journalism. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:37:14] shortformblog: I got here really late, but … on top of my site at http://shortformblog.com/, I’m a designer at The Washington Post’s Express. #editorchat
[21:37:25] soultravelers3: G’night from Spain. Great to peek in. #editorchat
[21:37:40] debbieharry: @Quaison I’m still copywriting. Just wanted to have a little more say in what I was writing about! #editorchat
[21:37:47] foleymo: @Single_Shot Maybe people are pissed in forums because there actually is something broken about newspaper accountability. #editorchat
[21:37:53] shortformblog: The name’s Ernie Smith, BTW. Nice to meet you all. *tips hat* #editorchat
[21:37:57] sydneyowen: Well I’m going to scroll through these and if I’m able to come next week, I’ll have loads of questions. Very cool idea! #editorchat
[21:37:59] Single_Shot: Thanks Lydia, Milehigh. As always, loads of fun. Diane Mapes, freelance journalist and former P-I columnist. dianemapes.net #editorchat
[21:38:05] tweditor: Okay, I’ll intro. Charmaine Cooper Hussain, high-tech freelance editor. My too-serious blog posts: apostrophecatastrophe.com #editorchat
[21:38:38] BeckyDMBR: Now I gotta go see how many of y’all will follow me back. 🙂 See you next week! #editorchat
[21:38:43] LydiaBreakfast: @sydneyowen we do a transcript on the blog editorchat.wordpress.com drop your questions in the comment box for next time. #editorchat
[21:39:31] foleymo: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for putting this on. I thoroughly enjoyed it! #editorchat
[21:39:41] debbieharry: @Quaison And I’m pretty sure I was an actual writer all along 😉 #editorchat
[21:40:32] rondoylewrites: @a2editor C’est la vie! I’ll be trolling the companion blog tomorrow. Looks like tonight was a good one! #editorchat
[21:40:34] LydiaBreakfast: @foleymo Please join us next time, (and the next…) #editorchat
[21:42:45] anndouglas: @milehighfool #Lydiabreakfast What a nice group of people you have coming out to #editorchat. Will spread the word. Thx again for everything
[21:45:13] anndouglas: @collazoprojects Sure My editor and I have shared access to my column. Either of us can make changes @ any time before/after pub #editorchat
[21:48:00] bweikle: @kathysena Agree, reprints are an exception. Decent way to collect dividends on time investments already made. #editorchat
[21:48:30] emanbruin: after "listening" to tonight’s #editorchat, I am inspired…
[21:56:23] foleymo: @profkakie Hey lady! Where were you during #editorchat ?
[22:00:08] twendly: Most pop. last hr 6 – 10 | Liam Neeson, #mix09, Better Off Ted, P Natasha Richardson, #editorchat

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March 19, 2009 at 12:40 pm

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What We’ll Discuss on March 18 – the Digital Divide

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The digital divide. Does it exist? And more importantly, can it be bridged?  

With Hearst moving to make the Seattle Post-Intelligencer all digital, the U.K. Guardian newspaper’s “open platform” allowing digital content to be shared anywhere in exchange for hosting ad space on partner sites, and Amazon’s Kindle available on the iPhone, there is more digital content available in more places than ever before.

We’re wondering if the once-distinct worlds of Web and print are merging and changing what we do as writers and editors. Specifically:

Are there different style guides for Web and print? If so, how different are they?

Has the Web hurt publishing because errors are easier to correct?

Do editors expect less from Web articles?

In terms of payment, should those who write strictly for the Web be paid less than their print counterparts, or more, given the size of the potential audience?

Does the Web spell the end of good narrative because of the very short attention spans of online readers?

Editors: Are you tolerating  fewer words than before?

What qualities do editors look for when hiring a writer for online content?  Are editors looking at writers blogs? (via Vanessa Ahearn @girlgumption)

If you have any other questions you’d like to put up to discussion, please drop us a comment in the box below.  We look forward to chatting with you on Wednesday night 8-9:30pm EST.

Transcript of #editorchat 3-11

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LydiaBreakfast: And we are live – welcome to another edition of #editorchat dear tweeps 🙂 #editorchat
[20:01:56] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s introduce ourselves – I am Lydia Dishman, freelance journo for business, food, travel and more. #editorchat
[20:02:40] netta50: Yay! #editorchat 🙂
[20:03:04] LydiaBreakfast: @netta50 Hello you goddess, you 🙂 #editorchat
[20:03:11] jennipps: I’m Jen Nipps, fl writer & currently a regular contributor to TutorialBlog.org. Write on writing, creativity, plus-size issues. #editorchat
[20:03:22] chrisTheAuthor: Chris Hamilton, blogger, wannabe mystery author, business writer #editorchat
[20:03:26] wetzeledit: I’m Wendy Wetzel, freelance book copyeditor, Christian markets. Not sure how long I can stay tonight but thanks for hosting, LD. #editorchat
[20:03:45] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps hello Jen 🙂 #editorchat
[20:03:57] littlebrownpen: Nichole Robertson. Freelance writer and Copy Director for Amala–a German organic skincare brand #editorchat
[20:04:05] LydiaBreakfast: @wetzeledit Hi Wendy thanks for stopping in 🙂 #editorchat
[20:04:21] LydiaBreakfast: @chrisTheAuthor Thanks for coming tonight  #editorchat
[20:04:25] collazoprojects: Evening from NYC! I’m Julie, writer & editor w @MatadorNetwork: travel, community building, sustainability, food, music, culture #editorchat
[20:04:36] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Miss Nichole welcome #editorchat
[20:04:36] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast Good to see you, and always good to be here. 🙂 #editorchat
[20:04:48] LydiaBreakfast: @collazoprojects Yay Julie, thanks for coming #editorchat
[20:05:01] collazoprojects: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for hosting! #editorchat
[20:05:11] LydiaBreakfast: Where is @JDebberly 😉 #editorchat
[20:05:16] joshuastecker: Joshua Stecker – editor of a local SoCal mag, former magazine/niche editor for Press-Telegram in Long Beach, now pubbing indie.  #editorchat
[20:05:46] LydiaBreakfast: My pleasure to host. I am solo tonight. @milehighfool is celebrating his son’s b-day #editorchat
[20:05:55] LydiaBreakfast: @joshuastecker Hello and welcome #editorchat
[20:06:30] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s go over the rules first No 1. Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors   #editorchat
[20:06:47] BenLaMothe: Hello. Founder of grandcentralmagazine.com, EiC/founder of cityonlinemag.co.uk. epublishing postgrad. j-school grad.  #editorchat
[20:06:58] LydiaBreakfast: Rule No. 2. Stay on topic #editorchat
[20:07:21] LydiaBreakfast: @BenLaMothe Thanks for coming 🙂 #editorchat
[20:07:36] netta50: Freelance editor specializing in web novels, writer of web copy. #editorchat
[20:07:55] debbieharry: Hi. I’m a writer, mostly on food, parenting, diet, fitness. Blogger too, but notsomuch lately. #editorchat
[20:07:56] LydiaBreakfast: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat
[20:08:14] LydiaBreakfast: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat
[20:08:28] LydiaBreakfast: @debbieharry Hello and welcome 🙂 #editorchat
[20:08:32] toddschnick: @Renown ok – there is even an #editorchat. your new idea is gonna be way more cool.  ( what think @stonepayton? )
[20:08:46] kwidrick: Peeking into #editorchat, hoping some of these great people will check out our #ageop chat tomorrow at 9pm as well! http://bit.ly/11fksU
[20:08:51] LydiaBreakfast: Tip: TweetDeck has a filter feature at the bottom of each column. Select #editorchat as the text to exclude, unless you want in  #editorchat
[20:09:38] LydiaBreakfast: Tonight, in light of the Hearst/Helium news we’re wondering if this push to be hyperlocal will transform the publishing industry #editorchat
[20:09:54] netta50: @JDEbberly Always a pleasure for me 🙂 #editorchat
[20:10:58] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast Rule #4 is my favorite. #editorchat
[20:10:59] LydiaBreakfast: @toddschnick #editorchat isfor professional writers and editors to discuss how best to work together. We think it is very cool. #editorchat
[20:10:59] sooutdoors: Good evening, Lloyd here from Southern Ontario Outdoors. Freelance outdoors writer for both print and electronic media. #editorchat
[20:11:34] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast It seems like there have always been things that transform the industry in one way or another, for better/worse. #editorchat
[20:11:47] BenLaMothe: Hyperlocal will definitely change the industry. Hyperlocal requires more focus to produce b/c community interaction is required. #editorchat
[20:11:50] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s get started Q1 Are the days of generalist writers and editors numbered?   #editorchat
[20:12:01] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Hi lloyd 🙂 #editorchat
[20:12:07] joshuastecker: Considering hyperlocal is all i’ve done the past few years, I def feel this is the way print media, in particular, is heading. #editorchat
[20:12:19] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps not necessarily a bad thing, right? #editorchat
[20:12:28] BenLaMothe: @LydiaBreakfast The hyperlocal transition will hit mid-size titles hardest becaue it will make them choose one or the other. #editorchat
[20:12:46] thebrandbuilder: Writers, editors and communications professionals: Looks like #editorchat is off to a good start tonight.
[20:12:50] toddschnick: @LydiaBreakfast oh i agree! didn’t know it existed. (a friend has suggested another chat group that will be cool too!)  #editorchat
[20:13:06] LydiaBreakfast: @BenLaMothe Mid-size – what circulation are you thinking? #editorchat
[20:13:10] jennipps: Q1 – I don’t think so. There will always be something that requires a generalist and some will be too mired in their niche. #editorchat
[20:13:24] marciamarcia: Enterprise social media & learning strategist by day, writer & editor (not at the same time) by night. Or something like that. #editorchat
[20:13:35] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Definitely not a bad thing. Change or stagnate (and eventually die out) are the only options. #editorchat
[20:13:37] BenLaMothe: @LydiaBreakfast They’ll still be around. But instead of a title having an army of GA reporters, they’ll have a smaller group. #editorchat
[20:13:57] LydiaBreakfast: As a generalist, I think I will always be relevant because I’ve learned how to put a local focus on if I need it. #editorchat
[20:14:19] BenLaMothe: @LydiaBreakfast By mid-size I’m talking 30k-60k. Ones that could be considered hyperlocal if they narrowed their scope. #editorchat
[20:14:22] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia hello marcia, many thanks for coming. Hope the smoke is clear at your property 🙂 #editorchat
[20:14:44] netta50: Q1 A generalist IS a specialist, when you think about it. #editorchat
[20:14:49] LydiaBreakfast: @BenLaMothe right, OK just wanted to make sure we were talking the same numbers. #editorchat
[20:14:50] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast There is that, too. It seems to be generalists are more flexible/adaptable & can make needed changes quickly. #editorchat
[20:14:52] joshuastecker: Large metro mags are being hit because even those are too big for their own communities.  #editorchat
[20:15:19] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast Yes, the smoke has cleared. Being local news (well, at least that sort) isn’t much fun.  #editorchat
[20:15:20] LydiaBreakfast: @netta50 yes! #editorchat
[20:15:41] LydiaBreakfast: @joshuastecker Do you suggest that they splinter off and create new pubs? #editorchat
[20:15:57] collazoprojects: Hyperlocalism will also produce richer content. Presumably the writer understands the cmmty better & has historical view. #editorchat
[20:16:14] littlebrownpen: The hyper local media push seems to align with the push for local economies. A backlash against the corporation?  #editorchat
[20:16:22] BenLaMothe: @netta50 Not sure I agree with that. Unless you mean they specialize in nothing in paricular? #editorchat
[20:16:39] LydiaBreakfast: @palafo  please join us for #editorchat – we could use your experience
[20:16:44] collazoprojects: Don’t think, though, that hyperlocalism will eliminate generalists. There’s a need/niche for both. #editorchat
[20:16:49] wisekaren: Hi gang, sorry for being late to the party. I’m a freelance editor of college textbooks and cookbooks. What’d I miss? #editorchat
[20:16:55] joshuastecker: @LydiaBreakfast that would be the advice, but they have to find the right revenue model to accomplish. #editorchat
[20:17:19] LydiaBreakfast: @wisekaren Hi there – we are still on Q1 Are the days of generalist writers and editors numbered?   #editorchat
[20:17:33] Sascha_Zuger: Hi all, popping in for a bit. Freelancer for mags/papers, author. #editorchat
[20:17:39] jennipps: I think hyperlocalism is probably just one end of a continuum. The pendulum has swung this way for now, but will prob swing back #editorchat
[20:18:34] LydiaBreakfast: @wisekaren especially for your food writers, is the focus shifting at all to locavore food, or are general ckbks relevant still? #editorchat
[20:18:53] LydiaBreakfast: @Sascha_Zuger Hi Sascha jump right in Are the days of generalist writers and editors numbered?   #editorchat
[20:19:07] joshuastecker: @LydiaBreakfast for ex. breaking NYMag into 5 diff pubs for the 5 boroughs might not all work. But one for Staten Island might.  #editorchat
[20:19:17] BeckyDMBR: @jennipps Interesting. My local paper has gone to Mondays = hyperlocal “good” news instead of cutting publishing. #editorchat
[20:19:26] BenLaMothe: @LydiaBreakfast As hyperlocalism grows and eds need journos versed in local subject matter, def. of GA will be narrowed.  #editorchat
[20:19:37] joshuastecker: generalism is dying almost as fast as newspapers.  #editorchat
[20:19:51] Sascha_Zuger: Q1 If you have the best ideas for the market, eds won’t pass because you write on other topics. #editorchat
[20:19:57] netta50: @BenLaMothe I take it as generalists specialize in being able to shift focus when necessary. #editorchat
[20:20:04] LydiaBreakfast: @joshuastecker Having grown up in the Bronx, I remember the Bx Times-Reporter being very successful at providing hyperlocal news #editorchat
[20:20:11] littlebrownpen: @joshuastecker I agree. It’s happening at warp speed.  #editorchat
[20:20:47] LydiaBreakfast: Generalist or specialist, I think versatility is key to being a successful writer. #editorchat
[20:20:59] wisekaren: @LydiaBreakfast For now, cookbooks are still all over the map, but I see trend → more cautious publishing – catering to trends. #editorchat
[20:21:02] jennipps: @netta50 I would definitely agree with that. #editorchat
[20:21:03] sooutdoors: I think the nature of a given publication will largely dictate their need, or desire, to become hyperlocal #editorchat
[20:21:07] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Generalist or specialist, I think versatility is key to being a successful writer. #editorchat
[20:21:13] LydiaBreakfast: @thebrandbuilder Thanks Olivier 🙂 #editorchat
[20:21:25] joshuastecker: @LydiaBreakfast that’s another great example. Hyperlocal works, it just needs a strong local economy to support it.  #editorchat
[20:21:35] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast Not @wisekaren, but as a food writer…Food goes either way: OTOH it’s universal, OTOH it’s all about local now. #editorchat
[20:21:41] BenLaMothe: @netta50 Problem with that is GA reporters may then begin stepping into territory of beat writers. Definition of GA will narrow. #editorchat
[20:21:48] jennipps: RT @LydiaBreakfast Generalist or specialist, I think versatility is key to being a successful writer. #editorchat
[20:21:50] Sascha_Zuger: I find topics first, then pick a fitting home– the outlets I write for are quite varied. #editorchat
[20:21:59] LydiaBreakfast: @wisekaren And which trends are still strong? Bittman’s books are pretty general and he is huge. #editorchat
[20:22:04] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast Agree. And generalists can quickly become localists if they need to. Or at least have a foot in each world.  #editorchat
[20:22:45] LydiaBreakfast: @debbieharry agree #editorchat
[20:23:54] netta50: @BenLaMothe True enough. But a specialist can specialize themselves right out of the market.  Flexibility is key. #editorchat
[20:23:59] travelojos: @collazoprojects I think niche pubs are particularly suited for social media. It’s good to be a specialist among generalists. #editorchat
[20:24:04] rachelcw: quick hello. published author, freelance writer/essayist and sometimes editor – among other things. interesting topic   #editorchat
[20:24:33] LydiaBreakfast: @travelojos interesting – what is your specialty? #editorchat
[20:24:47] LydiaBreakfast: @rachelcw Hi there Rachel, thanks for popping by. #editorchat
[20:25:30] rachelcw: I think in many ways the publishing industry has painted itself into a corner by rigidly requiring platforms- less wiggle room #editorchat
[20:26:20] rachelcw: to clarify (and hi Lydia) it’s great to have platforms, but less room to grow creatively and expand reach. I love to diversify #editorchat
[20:26:50] netta50: @travelojos That’s true, but what happens if your market tanks?  #editorchat
[20:27:01] LydiaBreakfast: Leads to Q2 – Know we don’t have many book authors but will publishers require that those be tied to a place? Even for fiction? #editorchat
[20:27:54] Sascha_Zuger: Not understanding? #editorchat
[20:27:57] LydiaBreakfast: @bobschaller out there? Can you weight in for authors? #editorchat
[20:27:59] IrisJumbe: @JDEbberly Thank you 🙂 Hi everyone.  Shanghai-based freelance copywriter and editor here! #editorchat
[20:28:24] LydiaBreakfast: @IrisJumbe Hi Iris, thanks for joining us again 🙂 #editorchat
[20:28:28] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast I think there’ll be many titles/topics that aren’t relevant to place (like my NF WIP), so no, I don’t think so. #editorchat
[20:29:09] LydiaBreakfast: @Sascha_Zuger will books ahve to be tied to a place, even for fiction, to be successful, as all media focus becomes hyperlocal #editorchat
[20:29:13] jennipps: And for fiction, goodness, I hope not! Historicals would be completely out the door, then. #editorchat
[20:29:13] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast  Q2 I sincerely hope not. I don’t like handcuffs (in this context.) #editorchat
[20:29:22] wisekaren: Bittman’s just saying everything Pollan already said – I don’t see what’s so new about him (except he provides recipes). #editorchat
[20:29:36] netta50: @IrisJumbe *waves* Hi Iris 🙂 #editorchat
[20:30:25] wetzeledit: I think nonfiction books are tied to expertise; location irrelevant unless truly required for expertise (or platform). #editorchat
[20:30:29] joshuastecker: Books are the only form of print media that are immune to locality. Books, for the most part, is an escapist art form.  #editorchat
[20:30:42] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast I don’t see how it translates to book publishing, especially fiction. May be more ops for local writers though. #editorchat
[20:30:54] rachelcw: As a former BK based columnist for Scotsman I can see that for local color/guides not books, though local author works for mktng #editorchat
[20:31:12] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast The author is as responsible for marketing as the house.  I can’t see fiction tied that way. #editorchat
[20:31:12] LydiaBreakfast: @wetzeledit thought it was interesting that they billed “How to Cook Everything” as”the new Joy of Cooking.” Very general. #editor
[20:31:26] wetzeledit: Fiction, isn’t the goal to put the READER in the place? As long as it does that, I don’t see need for author to be in that place #editorchat
[20:31:51] netta50: RT @joshuastecker: Books are the only form of print media immune to locality. Books, for the most part, is an escapist art form. #editorchat
[20:32:02] BeckyDMBR: And TweetDeck poops out on me AGAIN. Why? Because I’m in #editorchat
[20:32:07] chrisTheAuthor: @lydiabreakfast #editorchat With social networking tools to expand authors reach, I think local in books will be less of a req’t
[20:32:14] Sascha_Zuger: Can’t imagine so. Maybe tougher to create a consistent world not placed in a precise one (for fic) but don’t see it as needed.  #editorchat
[20:32:49] wetzeledit: @LydiaBreakfast And they might have called it “How ANYONE can cook anything” too–the more general, the less place matters, IMO. #editorchat
[20:32:57] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Hi Becky, we can see you 🙂 #editorchat
[20:33:07] netta50: Southern fiction may be marketed more heavily in the South, but the appeal is everywhere #editorchat
[20:33:41] IrisJumbe: @netta50 Hey Netta 🙂 Can’t get tweetchat to load.  Guess I’m gonna have to do #editorchat the old school way
[20:33:46] LydiaBreakfast: So we agree that hyperlocal is not really going to bleed into book publishing. #editorchat
[20:34:06] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast OK. Thanks! Now I’ll try to say something useful. #editorchat
[20:34:17] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Seems that way. 🙂 #editorchat
[20:34:20] wetzeledit: @netta50 Right, and maybe easier to write if live in that culture, but if you succeed from elsewhere, no one will care. #editorchat
[20:34:35] marciamarcia: Nonfiction books are tied to expertise; location irrelevant unless truly required for expertise (or platform) via wetzeledit #editorchat
[20:34:36] Fritinancy: How does one learn a Twit-chat schedule–e.g., #journochat, #editorchat ?
[20:34:47] sooutdoors: RT @LydiaBreakfast: So we agree that hyperlocal is not really going to bleed into book publishing. #editorchat
[20:35:08] jennipps: @BeckyDMBR Have you tried Tweetchat? Seems to be working well for me tonight. #editorchat
[20:35:28] Kathy_Writer: RT @BeckyDMBR: And TweetDeck poops out on me AGAIN. Why? Because I’m in #editorchat
[20:36:04] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s move back to the local angle where would-be citizen journalists submit articles. Are editors trying content crowdsourcing? #editorchat
[20:36:40] LydiaBreakfast: @benlamothe have you experienced this yet? #editorchat
[20:36:50] joshuastecker: @LydiaBreakfast Yes, absolutely. And it works when done right. #editorchat
[20:37:14] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast The ones I’ve worked for don’t appear to be, but I could be wrong or they could be the exception 2 the rule. #editorchat
[20:37:29] LydiaBreakfast: @joshuastecker tell us your criteria for sourcing. #editorchat
[20:37:49] BeckyDMBR: @jennipps Hmm. In Tweetchat now. Let’s see what happens. #editorchat
[20:37:56] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast In my other life I’m a book marketer, and I don’t see the local thing becoming any bigger than it’s always been #editorchat
[20:38:21] debbieharry: We’re always thrilled to have a local hook/angle/connection to work to sell books, but for major houses that’s not enough. #editorchat
[20:38:22] netta50: @wetzeledit Exactly right.  #editorchat
[20:38:25] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps I’ve seen a dramatic increase in the number of freelancers in my town. Editors are already having to put the brakes on #editorchat
[20:39:02] joshuastecker: 1. Obv have to be good writers. 2. Passionate about topic. 3. Not using opportunity to sell something….  #editorchat
[20:39:20] joshuastecker: 4. Wants to contribute to their community. #editorchat
[20:39:27] JDEbberly: RT @joshuastecker: 1. Obv have to be good writers. 2. Passionate about topic. 3. Not using opportunity to sell something…. #editorchat
[20:39:38] collazoprojects: We’re experimenting w/ crowdsourcing. In certain contexts, raises ?s about source credibility. In other contexts, v. useful. #editorchat
[20:39:47] littlebrownpen: This reminds me of the “content is king” days circa 2000. Everyone could be a writer. Quality paid the price imo.  #editorchat
[20:40:08] wetzeledit: @LydiaBreakfast Because there are so many or b/c many of them are not “real” freelancers, not serious/credible? #editorchat
[20:40:08] JDEbberly: RT @joshuastecker: 4. Wants to contribute to their community. #editorchat
[20:40:28] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast Where I see citizen journalists, I’m don’t see editors available. Pubs see this as free opp & editors add cost #editorchat
[20:40:38] jennipps: RT @littlebrownpen This reminds me of the “content is king” days @ 2000. Everyone could be a writer. Quality paid the price imo. #editorchat
[20:40:42] joshuastecker: And most want to do it for a byline (i.e. free), which helps us editors/publishers out. 🙂 #editorchat
[20:40:51] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen and it comes down to payment again? Professionals cost more but offer better product? #editorchat
[20:41:01] thebrandbuilder: Via @mike_elgan: “On Twitter, mindcasting is the new lifecasting.” http://tinyurl.com/dnx5w9 Great piece by the L.A. Times. #editorchat
[20:41:17] netta50: @travelojos Agreed. Key phrase being “right now”. Always have to think ahead. #editorchat
[20:41:33] LydiaBreakfast: @joshuastecker The pursuit of a free byline is a red flag for me. #editorchat
[20:41:33] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast Absolutely. The pendulum overshoots in both directions it seems.  #editorchat
[20:42:34] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast I’ve seen wonderful pieces from citizen journalists paired w/ a good editor.  #editorchat
[20:42:49] BenLaMothe: @LydiaBreakfast Afraid I missed the question. What are you referring to? #editorchat
[20:43:22] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast You get what you pay for, eh? #editorchat
[20:43:24] LydiaBreakfast: @BenLaMothe crowd sourcing among citizen journalists. Are you doing it yet? #editorchat
[20:43:32] joshuastecker: @LydiaBreakfast it would be for some, but in the community i pub for it’s not. It’s different everywhere. #editorchat
[20:43:34] littlebrownpen: Must be well edited! RT @marciamarcia @LydiaBreakfast I’ve seen wonderful pieces from citizen journs paired w/ a good editor #editorchat
[20:43:39] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast Agreed, but it’s too tempting for some pubs.   #editorchat
[20:43:45] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia Does that mean the editors work harder to “fix up” a non professional piece? #editorchat
[20:44:41] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Oh indeed. I belive in paying for quality. Not over the top, but fair pay for good work. #editorchat
[20:44:47] joshuastecker: @marciamarcia Yes, but speaking for me, i ALWAYS ask for clips or examples before hiring/assigning. #editorchat
[20:44:58] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors And how, especially with tight times and small staffs. #editorchat
[20:45:45] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast Yes. Of course. A non-pro piece is usually more work.  #editorchat
[20:46:12] travelojos: One great example of crowd sourcing was Flightblogger. People texted him airplane info and he broke story re: Obama VP #editorchat
[20:46:25] LydiaBreakfast: I’ll throw that out to the rest: Does that mean the editors work harder to “fix up” a non professional piece? #editorchat
[20:46:33] joshuastecker: and yes, I’ve had my share of story kills due to poor quality.  #editorchat
[20:47:13] LydiaBreakfast: @joshuastecker Any way to avoid that? Just not use freelancers? #editorchat
[20:47:28] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast They’d have to. IMO, the cost of their time fixing subpar-quality work would be more than a pro doing it right. #editorchat
[20:47:29] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast Absolutely. And while you can fix comma splices and remove passive voice. You can’t make a bad piece great.  #editorchat
[20:47:37] netta50: @travelojos  General is *not* safe anymore.  You said it yourself – more demand for specialists. #editorchat
[20:48:04] alisonlaw: @LydiaBreakfast Sorry for jumping in, but I would ask this group to define non-professional. Unpaid? Unpublished? #editorchat
[20:48:12] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast I vote “yes”.  With exceptions. #editorchat
[20:48:19] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Freelancers can be pros. I think it means not using citizen journs as writers but as sources instead. #editorchat
[20:48:21] rachelcw: I think we should be careful not to confuse freelancers with citizen journalists #editorchat
[20:48:33] LydiaBreakfast: Writers, how do you position yourselves as producers of quality work? Bust the myth? #editorchat
[20:48:48] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast Not necessarily, there are some good “free” writers out there, but I’m sure that overall editors do more work. #editorchat
[20:49:04] jennipps: Very much agreed! RT @rachelcw I think we should be careful not to confuse freelancers with citizen journalists  #editorchat
[20:49:05] netta50: RT @rachelcw: I think we should be careful not to confuse freelancers with citizen journalists #editorchat
[20:49:27] LydiaBreakfast: @rachelcw I agree, although one editor at a local paper in my town, scrupulously refused to work with non-staffers of any kind. #editorchat
[20:49:48] joshuastecker: @LydiaBreakfast I have a staff of reg freelancers that are great. I crowdsource when looking for new voices/topics to cover. #editorchat
[20:49:50] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Not using freelancers? Don’t think that’s an option, is it? So many out there. #editorchat
[20:49:57] JDEbberly: RT @rachelcw: I think we should be careful not to confuse freelancers with citizen journalists #editorchat
[20:50:08] jennipps: @alisonlaw Non-professional, to me, non-writers. There are some unpublished who are/can be quite professional-appearing. #editorchat
[20:50:25] IrisJumbe: RT @netta50: RT @rachelcw: I think we should be careful not to confuse freelancers with citizen journalists #editorchat
[20:50:25] littlebrownpen: @alisonlaw For me it’s simple: professional = good. Lack of experience is fine. Lack of ability to write is not.  #editorchat
[20:50:43] joshuastecker: RT @rachelcw: I think we should be careful not to confuse freelancers with citizen journalists #editorchat
[20:50:58] LydiaBreakfast: @alisonlaw No problem, glad you could join. Professional = good work and has track record. #editorchat
[20:50:58] jennipps: @littlebrownpen Exactly! THat’s what I was trying to get at but don’t think I did very well. *s* #editorchat
[20:51:13] BeckyDMBR: @alisonlaw Non-professional = no writing/journalism/publishing ed, background or experience. #editorchat
[20:51:44] joshuastecker: @littlebrownpen i can semi-agree, but all proffessional writers need a start somewhere. #editorchat
[20:51:45] rachelcw: @LydiaBreakfast you’ll find discrimination/clique-ishness or mindset at many pubs, but freelancers can add much to the mix #editorchat
[20:51:52] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Please join us for #editorchat if you can 🙂
[20:51:56] marciamarcia: Best citizn journlst: 1 Good writer 2 Passion abt topic 3 Not using opp to sell 4 Wants to contribute to comm via @joshuastecker #editorchat
[20:52:11] joshuastecker: *professional (yes, i even edit myself) #editorchat
[20:52:38] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast I think writers prove themselves with top-notch writing. #editorchat
[20:52:43] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast Lots of research is the key.  I try to write national and still appear local.  Being local does reduce research. #editorchat
[20:52:56] jennipps: @joshuastecker I think most of us do and everyone should. *S* #editorchat
[20:53:08] LydiaBreakfast: @rachelcw as a *professional* freelancer I thank you for saying that  #editorchat
[20:53:21] littlebrownpen: @joshuastecker I agree. Some of the best writers I know wouldn’t be considered “professionals” #editorchat
[20:53:28] joshuastecker: and now I have to jet. See all of you next week. Off to rehearsal (i co-own a theatre company, too). 🙂 #editorchat
[20:53:52] LydiaBreakfast: @DaydreamWriter stop in to #editorchat – good networking for you.
[20:53:56] BeckyDMBR: @joshuastecker Bye! #editorchat
[20:54:02] BenLaMothe: @LydiaBreakfast I haven’t done it much. I’m not an active journo in that I don’t work for an org. I’m more involved in mag devel #editorchat
[20:54:04] jennipps: @joshuastecker Good to see you. Liked your input. 🙂 #editorchat
[20:54:13] alisonlaw: RT @littlebrownpen: @joshuastecker I agree. Some of the best writers I know wouldn’t be considered “professionals” #editorchat
[20:54:23] LydiaBreakfast: @joshuastecker Thanks so much for coming, enjoyed having you on board. #editorchat
[20:54:44] rachelcw: @LydiaBreakfast we have to stick up for each other and stick together! and of course distinguish ourselves with professionalism #editorchat
[20:55:02] marciamarcia: @joshuastecker I ask for clips, too, but some are heavily edited and writer consistently needs that level of support. #editorchat
[20:55:18] travelojos: @LydiaBreakfast all things being equal is freelancer with a blog on the subject they are writing about more desirable? #editorchat
[20:55:34] Sascha_Zuger: @littlebrownpen Doesn’t lack of experience include lack of exp. about journalistic ethics and practice?  #editorchat
[20:55:41] LydiaBreakfast: Agreed, so writers, how did you break through the professional barrier? #editorchat
[20:55:43] jennipps: RT @rachelcw @LydiaBreakfast we have to stick up for each other & stick together! & distinguish ourselves with professionalism #editorchat
[20:56:19] LydiaBreakfast: @travelojos it shows a level of expertise, or lack thereof, if they write regular blog entries on a topic. #editorchat
[20:56:36] littlebrownpen: @jennipps Yes, when it comes to journalism (citing sources, ethics, etc.). But not when it comes to lifestyle topics.  #editorchat
[20:56:42] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Honestly? I wrote for free for a state newsletter for a year. That gave me a few clips to break into another mag #editorchat
[20:56:46] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @travelojos it shows a level of expertise, or lack thereof, if they write regular blog entries on a topic. #editorchat
[20:56:52] BeckyDMBR: @travelojos I’d say it depends on the quality of material on the blog. #editorchat
[20:56:53] jennipps: I’ve been working up from there. #editorchat
[20:57:21] IrisJumbe: @marciamarcia I’m wondering: is a writer who needs a highlevel support – a freelancer – someone you’d persevere with? #editorchat
[20:57:21] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Have to start somewhere 😉 #editorchat
[20:57:39] travelojos: @JDEbberly what if a freelancer is a mediocre writer, but likely to generate a lot of traffic? #editorchat
[20:57:57] JDEbberly: RT @BeckyDMBR: @travelojos I’d say it depends on the quality of material on the blog. #editorchat
[20:58:07] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Definitely. 🙂 I’m currently working on an on-spec assignment I got because of working up the ladder. #editorchat
[20:58:11] DaydreamWriter: The journalists that are most dedicated to their work are the ones you should want to have on board. #editorchat
[20:58:15] collazoprojects: @LydiaBreakfast I work as hard to ‘fix’ journos’ pieces as much as ‘non-professionals.’ Sad but true. #editorchat
[20:58:24] LydiaBreakfast: @travelojos Mediocre is what it is. Some editors may take it, but I think quality pubs will pass. #editorchat
[20:58:27] rachelcw: @travelojos then they have a good chance of ultimately becoming one of Oprah’s picks when published 🙂 #editorchat
[20:58:42] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast I started writing quite by accident, but then did my homework and joined professional orgs; lots of networking #editorchat
[20:58:42] littlebrownpen: @travelojos Ding, ding, ding. That’s really the key here, right? If the blogger/citizen journalist has traffic – hired.  #editorchat
[20:58:44] BeckyDMBR: @Sascha_Zuger Lack of experience can mean lack of ethics & practice, but that’s where a good editor comes in. #editorchat
[20:58:45] netta50: RT @rachelcw: we have to stick up for each other and stick together! and of course distinguish ourselves with professionalism #editorchat
[20:58:48] IrisJumbe: @travelojos How would poor writing generate a lot of traffic?  #editorchat
[20:58:52] Hergett: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Hi all. Stopping in for a bit… reporter/editor at the Bozeman Daily Chronicle.
[20:59:07] LydiaBreakfast: @collazoprojects That is unfortunate. I edit myself heavily so my eds. don’t have to work that hard. #editorchat
[20:59:12] jennipps: @IrisJumbe Controversial material, I suppose. #editorchat
[20:59:28] BeckyDMBR: @littlebrownpen Nah. Traffic doesn’t necessarily = quality. #editorchat
[20:59:30] sooutdoors: RT @DaydreamWriter: The journalists that are most dedicated to their work are the ones you should want to have on board. #editorchat
[20:59:31] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Does your pub use freelancers at all? #editorchat
[20:59:32] marciamarcia: @irisjumbe Absolutely I’d persevere. What writer isn’t better w/ a good editor? Even the experience of working w/ one helps. #editorchat
[20:59:46] littlebrownpen: @IrisJumbe It depends on how you define poor.;) #editorchat
[21:00:00] netta50: @angie1234p Trying to keep up with #editorchat 🙂
[21:00:05] alisonlaw: @JDEbberly @travelojos Great ? about mediocre writers! I’ve read blogs from so-called blogging experts that were terrible.  #editorchat
[21:00:29] littlebrownpen: @BeckyDMBR agree. But it’s not always about the quality, sadly. It’s just how the game is played. Depends on topic though.  #editorchat
[21:00:32] netta50: RT @marciamarcia:  I’d persevere. What writer isn’t better w/ a good editor? Even the experience of working w/ one helps. #editorchat
[21:01:17] jennipps: @alisonlaw They might be experts as in having done an extensive study of blogging, but they’re not very good @ expressing it. #editorchat
[21:01:26] Hergett: @LydiaBreakfast Very rarely. We do as much in house as possible. When we use freelancers, they’re usually former reporters. #editorchat
[21:01:43] collazoprojects: Call me old-fashioned, but spelling, grammar, & basic writing skills count. Content & originality imp., but so is craft. #editorchat
[21:01:48] IrisJumbe: @marciamarcia True, we all need an editor. Tho there’s a line where 1 decides a writer might not be up to the job #editorchat
[21:01:48] LydiaBreakfast: Related Q4 Do writers need to do more to stand out amongst the (ahem) crowd today? What strategies are working?   #editorchat
[21:02:06] Dark_Faust: Is #editorchat still going on?
[21:02:07] collazoprojects: I feel that if you don’t care about your words, then maybe you don’t really care about your subject or process, either. #editorchat
[21:02:11] sooutdoors: Have to skip out early tonight.  Good night all.  Great chat as always. #editorchat
[21:02:12] marciamarcia: @irisjumbe In my exper, pubs sometimes think that good clips = good writers who don’t need editing. That’s thin ice. #editorchat
[21:02:25] netta50: @collazoprojects EXACTLY and thank you.  #editorchat
[21:02:36] BeckyDMBR: @collazoprojects Yeah, call me old-fashioned too. But I’ve edited all kinds. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:02:43] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Thanks for joining Lloyd #editorchat
[21:02:50] BeckyDMBR: @sooutdoors G’night. See you next time! #editorchat
[21:03:04] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust Hello, yes it is! Please join 🙂  #editorchat
[21:03:10] jennipps: RT @collazoprojects I feel that if you don’t care abt your words, then maybe you don’t really care about your subject or process #editorchat
[21:03:16] alisonlaw: @marciamarcia IMHO I’m a great writer and a great editor. Like most, I cannot edit my own writing. Can’t do it alone. #editorchat
[21:03:23] Sascha_Zuger: @BeckyDMBR I was just referring to @littlebrownpen’s characterization of a professional = good. Lack of exp. not mattering. #editorchat
[21:03:24] LydiaBreakfast: Q4 Do writers need to do more to stand out amongst the (ahem) crowd today? What strategies are working? #editorchat
[21:03:35] Dark_Faust: Lot’ of tech editor’s being displaced. Same for other field, too? #editorchat
[21:04:31] jennipps: Q4 Attention to detail (incl self-editing) and professionalism go a long way toward standing out, IMO. #editorchat
[21:04:42] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust lots of everyone being displaced. We are talking strategies to stand out among the crowd #editorchat
[21:04:44] wisekaren: Eek, I’m being pulled in all directions by kids tonight. Sorry I can’t join in more. #editorchat
[21:05:03] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast Q4 Persistence. Practice. Networking. Did I say persistence? And practice?  #editorchat
[21:05:15] rachelcw: @LydiaBreakfast tunnel vision, perseverance,integrity- you know the old fashioned skill set that sets u apart from the immedia #editorchat
[21:05:30] travelojos: @LydiaBreakfast to stand out you need to think about the big picture, pitch hot story ideas, off shoots like podcasts etc. #editorchat
[21:05:41] netta50: RT @jennipps: Q4 Attn to detail (incl self-editing) and professionalism go a long way toward standing out, IMO. #editorchat Exactly right.
[21:05:57] JDEbberly: RT @netta50: @LydiaBreakfast Q4 Persistence. Practice. Networking. Did I say persistence? And practice? #editorchat
[21:06:08] Hergett: Q4 Willingness to do any story works here. It’s all about attitude. Of course, being able to tell that story helps too. #editorchat
[21:06:20] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia If they do, I think they are working with the wrong writer. #editorchat
[21:06:21] littlebrownpen: RT @JDEbberly RT @netta50: @LydiaBreakfast Q4 Persistence. Practice. Networking. Did I say persistence? And practice?  #editorchat
[21:06:54] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Which brings us back to generalists still having a place in a hyper-local environment #editorchat
[21:07:05] marciamarcia: @alisonlaw I’m a great editor & avg writer. I seek help for latter, wish others knew to do that too. Can any of us do it alone? #editorchat
[21:07:09] IrisJumbe: @littlebrownpen Used 2 work 4 an ESL pblshr. Tried 2 get tchrs 2 write. lesson: knowing a sbjct doesn’t = ability 2 write abt it #editorchat
[21:07:13] Dark_Faust: @LydiaBreakfast Thx, Lydia. Standing out in the crowd.  Best to make sure you’re in the right crowd, which is now in flux.  #editorchat
[21:07:42] alisonlaw: @jennipps True – last week couldn’t finish a blog post from a blog expert on how to write blogs b/c writing was so painful. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:07:48] littlebrownpen: @IrisJumbe agree.  #editorchat
[21:08:01] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust So what is the right crowd? Generalist or specialist? Or something in between? #editorchat
[21:08:29] Dark_Faust: If you write magazine articles, then writing books might help you stand out and vice versa. #editorchat
[21:08:38] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast I saw a tweet that journos sh/be Swiss Army Knives. I responded w/yeah, we used to call that jack-of-all-trades. #editorchat
[21:08:44] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast Hmm. I’ve worked w/ several fabulous book authors who needed heavy editing. They were the right writers. #editorchat
[21:09:07] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust A book is a huge commitment in a time when even book pubs are suffering from lack of $$ #editorchat
[21:09:19] IrisJumbe: @lydiabreakfast Q4: Extramiling it.  That always says value for money. And developing your skills – beef up the resume. #editorchat
[21:09:47] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia so what made them fabulous? Knowledge of the topic? Or general demeanor? #editorchat
[21:09:48] alisonlaw: @LydiaBreakfast Hard to stand out with today’s info overload. 100 others writing about same topic daily. Can’t just be relevant. #editorchat
[21:09:52] Sascha_Zuger: Q4 Getting more creative, fewer pages=fewer stories. Telling the story in less space. Jump through more hoops to save eds time. #editorchat
[21:10:13] jennipps: @IrisJumbe That brings up a question probably better suited for another chat, if not a different forum altogether. *s* #editorchat
[21:10:46] LydiaBreakfast: @Sascha_Zuger I’m all about jumping …err…providing good customer service to my editors. #editorchat
[21:11:12] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps you can add it to the blog comments to discuss next time 🙂 #editorchat
[21:11:27] IrisJumbe: @jennipps Eep! you’ve lost me: What does? #editorchat
[21:11:35] alisonlaw: @LydiaBreakfast So I think the answer is not to be hyperlocal or general, but determined and flexible. Professional. Reliable. #editorchat
[21:11:36] collazoprojects: @alisonlaw It always helps–no matter how great a writer you are–to have another pair of editor’s eyes review. #editorchat
[21:11:56] netta50: @alisonlaw It’s not relevance that will stand out, but quality. Consistent quality. An ability to be flexible. #editorchat
[21:12:06] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast I think I will. Then you & @milehighfool can decide if it’s relevant to this chat. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:12:18] jennipps: @IrisJumbe Your comment about beefing up the resume. *S* #editorchat
[21:12:31] littlebrownpen: I rely more and more on my contacts/familiar eds, because pitching (even with experience) is getting harder. Too much noise.   #editorchat
[21:12:34] LydiaBreakfast: @teashopgirl join us for #editorchat
[21:12:47] Sascha_Zuger: @LydiaBreakfast Lots of reminding myself they are doing their jobs and those of empty desks around them these days.  #editorchat
[21:13:03] BeckyDMBR: @collazoprojects Oh, absolutely. I still send stuff to my former colleague, current friend. We swap editing eyes all the time. #editorchat
[21:13:05] LydiaBreakfast: RT@netta50 It’s not relevance that will stand out, but quality. Consistent quality. An ability to be flexible. #editorchat #editorchat
[21:13:07] IrisJumbe: @marciamarcia you sound like a fabulous editor to work with.  Have come across some pretty trigger-happy ones in my day #editorchat
[21:13:15] collazoprojects: @marciamarcia I rec’d a draft from respected print journo rife with errors. Was peeved I told her to spell check before I’d see. #editorchat
[21:13:23] janeco: Arriving late, hi everyone. Freelance writer/ed #editorchat
[21:13:30] jennipps: RT @alisonlaw @LydiaBreakfast I think the answer isn’t to be hyperlocal/general, but determined/flexible. Professional. Reliable #editorchat
[21:13:36] Dark_Faust: @LydiaBreakfast I was thinking more of print vs online, blog vs established journalism, etc. We must participate in all. #editorchat
[21:13:45] IrisJumbe: @jennipps Ah, I see.  Twas in reply to Q4 – re: separating ourselves from the pack #editorchat
[21:13:49] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast Fabulous b/c they saw new dimensions in age-old topics & enough of their writing was clear, interesting. #editorchat
[21:13:49] littlebrownpen: Agree! RT: @collazoprojects It always helps–no matter how great a writer you are–to have another pair of editor’s eyes review. #editorchat
[21:13:50] jennipps: RT @netta50 @alisonlaw It’s not relevance that will stand out, but quality. Consistent quality. An ability to be flexible. #editorchat
[21:13:55] hotspringer: Q4 All other things being equal, a timely handwritten snailmailed thank-you note goes a long way in helping to stand out. #editorchat
[21:14:04] collazoprojects: @EEPR_17 I was JUST about to tweet about that. SO dislike “2” for to, etc. #editorchat
[21:14:06] LydiaBreakfast: @janeco Hi Jane still time to jump in: Do writers need to do more to stand out amongst the crowd today? #editorchat
[21:14:10] travelojos: @LydiaBreakfast the busiest freelancer I know has his wife (an english teacher) proofread all his work #editorchat
[21:14:12] Dark_Faust: @LydiaBreakfast All true, but a book can be a good way to get exposure to another side of the equation. Must be right book, tho. #editorchat
[21:14:28] LydiaBreakfast: @hotspringer Agreed! #editorchat
[21:14:52] jennipps: @IrisJumbe Yup. But my q is about how much beef to add to resumes. lol #editorchat
[21:15:12] LydiaBreakfast: Is anyone doing podcasts? Or do we just talk about doing them but they’ve lost their appeal? #editorchat
[21:15:14] IrisJumbe: @collazoprojects Absolutely.  Even for just superficial as proofreading #editorchat
[21:15:18] collazoprojects: 2nd pair of edit eyes helpful when you’re writing about a subject you know well. Need to make sure it translates to general aud. #editorchat
[21:15:29] rachelcw: @hotspringer agreed. great manners and great business style and etiquette always make a huge difference. #editorchat
[21:15:32] DaydreamWriter: @littlebrownpen I agree as well! Editor’s eyes help us become a better writer all-around. #editorchat
[21:15:36] IrisJumbe: @jennipps Agreed – that would be a chat worth sitting in on 🙂 #editorchat
[21:15:40] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast So many writers use a paragraph when a sentence will do. I help them illuminate their best. #editorchat
[21:15:49] Alexandrialeigh: Ugh. I don’t do podcasts because there’s a reason I didn’t go into radio. I hate the sound of my voice.  #editorchat
[21:15:49] Sascha_Zuger: Q4 Give them confidence, via support materials, for going in editorial meeting knowing story won’t fall through. #editorchat
[21:16:00] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast I’m honestly thinking about doing a couple to see how it works & if it’s viable. #editorchat
[21:16:09] janeco: @LydiaBreakfast I dont see how today is different from any other time…u should always try 2 distinguish ur own style fr others #editorchat
[21:16:10] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia I’m sure you do – you give good tweet, the ultimate short form 😉 #editorchat
[21:16:13] Dark_Faust: @LydiaBreakfast I’m looking for editors, but with so many out of work, I go with more well known editors.  #editorchat
[21:16:37] littlebrownpen: @marciamarcia Yep. Hemingway is a great model for all.  #editorchat
[21:16:38] Alexandrialeigh: @collazoprojects: Agreed. I often have a writer-friend look at my work, especially if it’s a difficult/technical subject. #editorchat
[21:16:46] travelojos: @LydiaBreakfast I have been doing audiocasts for my regular job as a senior editor for a tax pub. Growing revenue source #editorchat
[21:16:52] Dark_Faust: @LydiaBreakfast Which makes it tougher on those starting out.  #editorchat
[21:16:58] BeckyDMBR: @travelojos Yeah, we should all have a wife to proofread us, eh? #editorchat
[21:17:14] LydiaBreakfast: 15 more minutes to this lively discussion. Answer the q’s or jump in with another. #editorchat
[21:17:38] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: 15 more minutes to this lively discussion. Answer the q’s or jump in with another. #editorchat
[21:17:45] netta50: Writing flash fiction is a great way to improve your short skills. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:17:46] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust No kidding. I am glad I got started ten years ago 🙂 #editorchat
[21:17:55] bobbbyg: @rachelcw career & corporate cool? #editorchat
[21:18:05] rachelcw: @lydiabreakfast et al – I’m fading fast after a tough day.I thank you all for the food for thought and excellent insights.  #editorchat
[21:18:18] JDEbberly: RT @netta50: Writing flash fiction is a great way to improve your short skills. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:18:27] LydiaBreakfast: Does anyone have a burning question? Need advice? Support? Now is your chance… #editorchat
[21:18:30] Dark_Faust: @LydiaBreakfast Sorry to be behind the curve here, but where are the questions? #editorchat
[21:18:31] rachelcw: @bobbbyg and here I was about to leave and you mention my book? #editorchat
[21:18:38] DaydreamWriter: What should new freelancers consider when they pitch a publication? #editorchat
[21:18:43] travelojos: @BeckyDMBR He told everyone about this on a Webinar called Freelancing in the Digital Age. It all comes back to the basics #editorchat
[21:18:44] LydiaBreakfast: @rachelcw Thanks so much for coming. #editorchat
[21:18:51] jennipps: RT @netta50 Writing flash fiction is a great way to improve your short skills. 🙂  #editorchat
[21:18:53] Dark_Faust: @JDEbberly Where do you go to publish fiction? Analog, etc? #editorchat
[21:19:02] marciamarcia: @IrisJumbe I’ve had my share of overzealous editors & don’t want to do that to others. Thankfully I’ve also learned from gems. #editorchat
[21:19:12] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust editorchat.wordpress.com and throughout the chat I add to the mix. #editorchat
[21:19:19] IrisJumbe: @lydiabreakfast re:podcasts: hard to find concise, informative podcasts. 4 a podcast 2 work it has to be these things + current #editorchat
[21:19:36] jennipps: Oh, shucks, I’ll go ahead & ask it…Comment was made abt beefing up resumes. What to include? Offices? Awards? Speaking appts? #editorchat
[21:20:34] jennipps: (I know incl publications & the like; it’s the rest I struggle with @ times.) #editorchat
[21:20:34] janeco: @jennipps I would def iclude awards & spkg engagements #editorchat
[21:20:38] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps I am ambivalent about using “award-winning” and thinking of taking it off my B&N bio. #editorchat
[21:21:16] DaydreamWriter: @LydiaBreakfast What should new freelancers consider when they pitch a publication? #editorchat
[21:21:21] janeco: @LydiaBreakfast if u win a writing award why not flaunt it? #editorchat
[21:21:23] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast The award stuff is what gives me the most pause at the moment, honestly. #editorchat
[21:21:25] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast New Q: One of the best mag editors I’ve worked w/ is abt to be downsized. Wants another FT gig. Is there hope? #editorchat
[21:22:05] LydiaBreakfast: @DaydreamWriter study the pub carefully to make sure pitch and style are relevant to their readers #editorchat
[21:22:05] Sascha_Zuger: @LydiaBreakfast I’ve noticed most of the best award-winning authors…don’t throw “award-winning” around. #editorchat
[21:22:05] jennipps: @janeco Maybe b/c of small/unknown contest? #editorchat
[21:22:19] BeckyDMBR: @jennipps I’d say go w/what’s on LinkedIn. #editorchat
[21:22:32] LydiaBreakfast: @janeco I suppose, just not really sure #editorchat
[21:22:33] bobbbyg: @rachelcw Is that bad? #editorchat
[21:22:51] jennipps: @BeckyDMBR I need to update LinkedIn. *s* #editorchat
[21:23:02] janeco: @Sascha_Zuger I’m not say us “award-winning” I’m saying if have some awards list them #editorchat
[21:23:31] IrisJumbe: @jennipps I joined editing assocs & take related online courses. Also pitch 4 work outside of my comfort zone to build portfolio #editorchat
[21:23:34] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia there is always consulting. Especially for those who want to write a book but need help. #editorchat
[21:23:38] Sascha_Zuger: @LydiaBreakfast To be honest, it makes me suspicious to see it, due to overuse by those that shouldn’t. #editorchat
[21:23:44] janeco: sorry for the typos, not hitting the keys hard enough #editorchat
[21:24:01] marciamarcia: @jennipps Beef up w/ candid info on your breadth & depth of experience. When I hire, that’s what I care about. #editorchat
[21:24:02] BeckyDMBR: @jennipps It follows resume basics but allows recommendations / references. #editorchat
[21:24:11] jennipps: @IrisJumbe I did that & ended up with an on-spec assignment. lol. Going to work on that more after done here. #editorchat
[21:24:30] alisonlaw: Agreed! List  them. RT @janeco: @Sascha_Zuger I’m not say us “award-winning” I’m saying if have some awards list them #editorchat
[21:24:35] IrisJumbe: @jennipps I still don’t get how LinkedIn works.  I mean, I know what it is, but just not how  it benefits writers/editors. #editorchat
[21:24:38] Dark_Faust: The business model to support generalist editors – maybe all editors – is rapidly changing. Editors are still needed, but… #editorchat
[21:24:45] jennipps: @marciamarcia Hmm… That actually answers most of what my concern(s) was (were). #editorchat
[21:25:12] netta50: @Dark_Faust But…what? #editorchat
[21:25:15] jennipps: @IrisJumbe Welcome to the club. I haven’t quite figured that out either, which is why I largely ignore it. #editorchat
[21:25:32] LydiaBreakfast: OK tweeps five minutes to re-introduce ourselves and offer links #editorchat
[21:25:50] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: OK tweeps five minutes to re-introduce ourselves and offer links #editorchat
[21:25:52] BeckyDMBR: @IrisJumbe You can send a link to your LI page. Most times, you send an electronic copy of your resume, right? #editorchat
[21:25:57] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast She doesn’t want to consult for reasons we’ve talked about here. I want to believe openings are out there. #editorchat
[21:26:08] hotspringer: I’ve written everything from Dear John letters to eulogies when times are slow. Almost always opens a new connection. #editorchat
[21:26:08] Sascha_Zuger: @janeco I’d be concerned if it’s something that they have never heard of, might have opposite effect than intended. #editorchat
[21:26:18] netta50: RT @IrisJumbe: I join editing assocs & take related online courses. Also pitch 4 work outside my comfort zone to build portfolio #editorchat
[21:26:27] jennipps: @BeckyDMBR Ohh. THat’s a use I hadn’t thought of. #editorchat
[21:26:34] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia why not start a new pub gathering the best of the laid off people? #editorchat
[21:26:41] marciamarcia: @jennipps Happy to chat offline. Contact info on my homepage. #editorchat
[21:26:48] littlebrownpen: Thanks all. I’m headed to bed (still on Paris time). If I’m not twittering, I’m here: http://littlebrownpen.blogspot.com/ #editorchat
[21:26:59] BeckyDMBR: @IrisJumbe & @jennipps Your assignment for next week, should you choose to accept it, is to update your LinkedIn pages. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:27:03] Alexandrialeigh: Writer/editor in Charlotte, NC. Book about detainees at Gitmo out in June. Writes about everything! http://www.aleighacerni.com #editorchat
[21:27:22] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast Ah, starting a new pub and being a great editor are often very different skills. #editorchat
[21:27:23] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Thanks Nichole #editorchat
[21:27:40] hotspringer: RT @LydiaBreakfast @marciamarcia why not start a new pub gathering the best of the laid off people?  #editorchat
[21:27:43] LydiaBreakfast: @Alexandrialeigh Thanks for coming take care of those wrists! #editorchat
[21:27:46] janeco: @Sascha_Zuger Understand, u need to make that call, but if it’a fairly well-known award — local or regional, list it #editorchat
[21:27:55] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Actually, a few groups exist for laid-offs, professionals, etc. Some on twitter. #editorchat
[21:28:02] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast always a pleasure. 😉 #editorchat
[21:28:05] jennipps: Jen, fl writer in south-central Oklahoma, contributor @TutorialBlog – articles list here: www.tutorialblog.org/author/jen-nipps/ #editorchat
[21:28:13] netta50: RT @marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast Ah, starting a new pub and being a great editor are often very different skills. #editorchat TRUE!
[21:28:13] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia yes, but those ed skills can be part of a useful team with new blood and f