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LydiaBreakfast: And we are live – welcome to another edition of #editorchat dear tweeps 🙂 #editorchat
[20:01:56] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s introduce ourselves – I am Lydia Dishman, freelance journo for business, food, travel and more. #editorchat
[20:02:40] netta50: Yay! #editorchat 🙂
[20:03:04] LydiaBreakfast: @netta50 Hello you goddess, you 🙂 #editorchat
[20:03:11] jennipps: I’m Jen Nipps, fl writer & currently a regular contributor to TutorialBlog.org. Write on writing, creativity, plus-size issues. #editorchat
[20:03:22] chrisTheAuthor: Chris Hamilton, blogger, wannabe mystery author, business writer #editorchat
[20:03:26] wetzeledit: I’m Wendy Wetzel, freelance book copyeditor, Christian markets. Not sure how long I can stay tonight but thanks for hosting, LD. #editorchat
[20:03:45] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps hello Jen 🙂 #editorchat
[20:03:57] littlebrownpen: Nichole Robertson. Freelance writer and Copy Director for Amala–a German organic skincare brand #editorchat
[20:04:05] LydiaBreakfast: @wetzeledit Hi Wendy thanks for stopping in 🙂 #editorchat
[20:04:21] LydiaBreakfast: @chrisTheAuthor Thanks for coming tonight  #editorchat
[20:04:25] collazoprojects: Evening from NYC! I’m Julie, writer & editor w @MatadorNetwork: travel, community building, sustainability, food, music, culture #editorchat
[20:04:36] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Miss Nichole welcome #editorchat
[20:04:36] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast Good to see you, and always good to be here. 🙂 #editorchat
[20:04:48] LydiaBreakfast: @collazoprojects Yay Julie, thanks for coming #editorchat
[20:05:01] collazoprojects: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for hosting! #editorchat
[20:05:11] LydiaBreakfast: Where is @JDebberly 😉 #editorchat
[20:05:16] joshuastecker: Joshua Stecker – editor of a local SoCal mag, former magazine/niche editor for Press-Telegram in Long Beach, now pubbing indie.  #editorchat
[20:05:46] LydiaBreakfast: My pleasure to host. I am solo tonight. @milehighfool is celebrating his son’s b-day #editorchat
[20:05:55] LydiaBreakfast: @joshuastecker Hello and welcome #editorchat
[20:06:30] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s go over the rules first No 1. Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors   #editorchat
[20:06:47] BenLaMothe: Hello. Founder of grandcentralmagazine.com, EiC/founder of cityonlinemag.co.uk. epublishing postgrad. j-school grad.  #editorchat
[20:06:58] LydiaBreakfast: Rule No. 2. Stay on topic #editorchat
[20:07:21] LydiaBreakfast: @BenLaMothe Thanks for coming 🙂 #editorchat
[20:07:36] netta50: Freelance editor specializing in web novels, writer of web copy. #editorchat
[20:07:55] debbieharry: Hi. I’m a writer, mostly on food, parenting, diet, fitness. Blogger too, but notsomuch lately. #editorchat
[20:07:56] LydiaBreakfast: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat
[20:08:14] LydiaBreakfast: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat
[20:08:28] LydiaBreakfast: @debbieharry Hello and welcome 🙂 #editorchat
[20:08:32] toddschnick: @Renown ok – there is even an #editorchat. your new idea is gonna be way more cool.  ( what think @stonepayton? )
[20:08:46] kwidrick: Peeking into #editorchat, hoping some of these great people will check out our #ageop chat tomorrow at 9pm as well! http://bit.ly/11fksU
[20:08:51] LydiaBreakfast: Tip: TweetDeck has a filter feature at the bottom of each column. Select #editorchat as the text to exclude, unless you want in  #editorchat
[20:09:38] LydiaBreakfast: Tonight, in light of the Hearst/Helium news we’re wondering if this push to be hyperlocal will transform the publishing industry #editorchat
[20:09:54] netta50: @JDEbberly Always a pleasure for me 🙂 #editorchat
[20:10:58] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast Rule #4 is my favorite. #editorchat
[20:10:59] LydiaBreakfast: @toddschnick #editorchat isfor professional writers and editors to discuss how best to work together. We think it is very cool. #editorchat
[20:10:59] sooutdoors: Good evening, Lloyd here from Southern Ontario Outdoors. Freelance outdoors writer for both print and electronic media. #editorchat
[20:11:34] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast It seems like there have always been things that transform the industry in one way or another, for better/worse. #editorchat
[20:11:47] BenLaMothe: Hyperlocal will definitely change the industry. Hyperlocal requires more focus to produce b/c community interaction is required. #editorchat
[20:11:50] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s get started Q1 Are the days of generalist writers and editors numbered?   #editorchat
[20:12:01] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Hi lloyd 🙂 #editorchat
[20:12:07] joshuastecker: Considering hyperlocal is all i’ve done the past few years, I def feel this is the way print media, in particular, is heading. #editorchat
[20:12:19] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps not necessarily a bad thing, right? #editorchat
[20:12:28] BenLaMothe: @LydiaBreakfast The hyperlocal transition will hit mid-size titles hardest becaue it will make them choose one or the other. #editorchat
[20:12:46] thebrandbuilder: Writers, editors and communications professionals: Looks like #editorchat is off to a good start tonight.
[20:12:50] toddschnick: @LydiaBreakfast oh i agree! didn’t know it existed. (a friend has suggested another chat group that will be cool too!)  #editorchat
[20:13:06] LydiaBreakfast: @BenLaMothe Mid-size – what circulation are you thinking? #editorchat
[20:13:10] jennipps: Q1 – I don’t think so. There will always be something that requires a generalist and some will be too mired in their niche. #editorchat
[20:13:24] marciamarcia: Enterprise social media & learning strategist by day, writer & editor (not at the same time) by night. Or something like that. #editorchat
[20:13:35] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Definitely not a bad thing. Change or stagnate (and eventually die out) are the only options. #editorchat
[20:13:37] BenLaMothe: @LydiaBreakfast They’ll still be around. But instead of a title having an army of GA reporters, they’ll have a smaller group. #editorchat
[20:13:57] LydiaBreakfast: As a generalist, I think I will always be relevant because I’ve learned how to put a local focus on if I need it. #editorchat
[20:14:19] BenLaMothe: @LydiaBreakfast By mid-size I’m talking 30k-60k. Ones that could be considered hyperlocal if they narrowed their scope. #editorchat
[20:14:22] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia hello marcia, many thanks for coming. Hope the smoke is clear at your property 🙂 #editorchat
[20:14:44] netta50: Q1 A generalist IS a specialist, when you think about it. #editorchat
[20:14:49] LydiaBreakfast: @BenLaMothe right, OK just wanted to make sure we were talking the same numbers. #editorchat
[20:14:50] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast There is that, too. It seems to be generalists are more flexible/adaptable & can make needed changes quickly. #editorchat
[20:14:52] joshuastecker: Large metro mags are being hit because even those are too big for their own communities.  #editorchat
[20:15:19] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast Yes, the smoke has cleared. Being local news (well, at least that sort) isn’t much fun.  #editorchat
[20:15:20] LydiaBreakfast: @netta50 yes! #editorchat
[20:15:41] LydiaBreakfast: @joshuastecker Do you suggest that they splinter off and create new pubs? #editorchat
[20:15:57] collazoprojects: Hyperlocalism will also produce richer content. Presumably the writer understands the cmmty better & has historical view. #editorchat
[20:16:14] littlebrownpen: The hyper local media push seems to align with the push for local economies. A backlash against the corporation?  #editorchat
[20:16:22] BenLaMothe: @netta50 Not sure I agree with that. Unless you mean they specialize in nothing in paricular? #editorchat
[20:16:39] LydiaBreakfast: @palafo  please join us for #editorchat – we could use your experience
[20:16:44] collazoprojects: Don’t think, though, that hyperlocalism will eliminate generalists. There’s a need/niche for both. #editorchat
[20:16:49] wisekaren: Hi gang, sorry for being late to the party. I’m a freelance editor of college textbooks and cookbooks. What’d I miss? #editorchat
[20:16:55] joshuastecker: @LydiaBreakfast that would be the advice, but they have to find the right revenue model to accomplish. #editorchat
[20:17:19] LydiaBreakfast: @wisekaren Hi there – we are still on Q1 Are the days of generalist writers and editors numbered?   #editorchat
[20:17:33] Sascha_Zuger: Hi all, popping in for a bit. Freelancer for mags/papers, author. #editorchat
[20:17:39] jennipps: I think hyperlocalism is probably just one end of a continuum. The pendulum has swung this way for now, but will prob swing back #editorchat
[20:18:34] LydiaBreakfast: @wisekaren especially for your food writers, is the focus shifting at all to locavore food, or are general ckbks relevant still? #editorchat
[20:18:53] LydiaBreakfast: @Sascha_Zuger Hi Sascha jump right in Are the days of generalist writers and editors numbered?   #editorchat
[20:19:07] joshuastecker: @LydiaBreakfast for ex. breaking NYMag into 5 diff pubs for the 5 boroughs might not all work. But one for Staten Island might.  #editorchat
[20:19:17] BeckyDMBR: @jennipps Interesting. My local paper has gone to Mondays = hyperlocal “good” news instead of cutting publishing. #editorchat
[20:19:26] BenLaMothe: @LydiaBreakfast As hyperlocalism grows and eds need journos versed in local subject matter, def. of GA will be narrowed.  #editorchat
[20:19:37] joshuastecker: generalism is dying almost as fast as newspapers.  #editorchat
[20:19:51] Sascha_Zuger: Q1 If you have the best ideas for the market, eds won’t pass because you write on other topics. #editorchat
[20:19:57] netta50: @BenLaMothe I take it as generalists specialize in being able to shift focus when necessary. #editorchat
[20:20:04] LydiaBreakfast: @joshuastecker Having grown up in the Bronx, I remember the Bx Times-Reporter being very successful at providing hyperlocal news #editorchat
[20:20:11] littlebrownpen: @joshuastecker I agree. It’s happening at warp speed.  #editorchat
[20:20:47] LydiaBreakfast: Generalist or specialist, I think versatility is key to being a successful writer. #editorchat
[20:20:59] wisekaren: @LydiaBreakfast For now, cookbooks are still all over the map, but I see trend → more cautious publishing – catering to trends. #editorchat
[20:21:02] jennipps: @netta50 I would definitely agree with that. #editorchat
[20:21:03] sooutdoors: I think the nature of a given publication will largely dictate their need, or desire, to become hyperlocal #editorchat
[20:21:07] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Generalist or specialist, I think versatility is key to being a successful writer. #editorchat
[20:21:13] LydiaBreakfast: @thebrandbuilder Thanks Olivier 🙂 #editorchat
[20:21:25] joshuastecker: @LydiaBreakfast that’s another great example. Hyperlocal works, it just needs a strong local economy to support it.  #editorchat
[20:21:35] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast Not @wisekaren, but as a food writer…Food goes either way: OTOH it’s universal, OTOH it’s all about local now. #editorchat
[20:21:41] BenLaMothe: @netta50 Problem with that is GA reporters may then begin stepping into territory of beat writers. Definition of GA will narrow. #editorchat
[20:21:48] jennipps: RT @LydiaBreakfast Generalist or specialist, I think versatility is key to being a successful writer. #editorchat
[20:21:50] Sascha_Zuger: I find topics first, then pick a fitting home– the outlets I write for are quite varied. #editorchat
[20:21:59] LydiaBreakfast: @wisekaren And which trends are still strong? Bittman’s books are pretty general and he is huge. #editorchat
[20:22:04] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast Agree. And generalists can quickly become localists if they need to. Or at least have a foot in each world.  #editorchat
[20:22:45] LydiaBreakfast: @debbieharry agree #editorchat
[20:23:54] netta50: @BenLaMothe True enough. But a specialist can specialize themselves right out of the market.  Flexibility is key. #editorchat
[20:23:59] travelojos: @collazoprojects I think niche pubs are particularly suited for social media. It’s good to be a specialist among generalists. #editorchat
[20:24:04] rachelcw: quick hello. published author, freelance writer/essayist and sometimes editor – among other things. interesting topic   #editorchat
[20:24:33] LydiaBreakfast: @travelojos interesting – what is your specialty? #editorchat
[20:24:47] LydiaBreakfast: @rachelcw Hi there Rachel, thanks for popping by. #editorchat
[20:25:30] rachelcw: I think in many ways the publishing industry has painted itself into a corner by rigidly requiring platforms- less wiggle room #editorchat
[20:26:20] rachelcw: to clarify (and hi Lydia) it’s great to have platforms, but less room to grow creatively and expand reach. I love to diversify #editorchat
[20:26:50] netta50: @travelojos That’s true, but what happens if your market tanks?  #editorchat
[20:27:01] LydiaBreakfast: Leads to Q2 – Know we don’t have many book authors but will publishers require that those be tied to a place? Even for fiction? #editorchat
[20:27:54] Sascha_Zuger: Not understanding? #editorchat
[20:27:57] LydiaBreakfast: @bobschaller out there? Can you weight in for authors? #editorchat
[20:27:59] IrisJumbe: @JDEbberly Thank you 🙂 Hi everyone.  Shanghai-based freelance copywriter and editor here! #editorchat
[20:28:24] LydiaBreakfast: @IrisJumbe Hi Iris, thanks for joining us again 🙂 #editorchat
[20:28:28] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast I think there’ll be many titles/topics that aren’t relevant to place (like my NF WIP), so no, I don’t think so. #editorchat
[20:29:09] LydiaBreakfast: @Sascha_Zuger will books ahve to be tied to a place, even for fiction, to be successful, as all media focus becomes hyperlocal #editorchat
[20:29:13] jennipps: And for fiction, goodness, I hope not! Historicals would be completely out the door, then. #editorchat
[20:29:13] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast  Q2 I sincerely hope not. I don’t like handcuffs (in this context.) #editorchat
[20:29:22] wisekaren: Bittman’s just saying everything Pollan already said – I don’t see what’s so new about him (except he provides recipes). #editorchat
[20:29:36] netta50: @IrisJumbe *waves* Hi Iris 🙂 #editorchat
[20:30:25] wetzeledit: I think nonfiction books are tied to expertise; location irrelevant unless truly required for expertise (or platform). #editorchat
[20:30:29] joshuastecker: Books are the only form of print media that are immune to locality. Books, for the most part, is an escapist art form.  #editorchat
[20:30:42] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast I don’t see how it translates to book publishing, especially fiction. May be more ops for local writers though. #editorchat
[20:30:54] rachelcw: As a former BK based columnist for Scotsman I can see that for local color/guides not books, though local author works for mktng #editorchat
[20:31:12] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast The author is as responsible for marketing as the house.  I can’t see fiction tied that way. #editorchat
[20:31:12] LydiaBreakfast: @wetzeledit thought it was interesting that they billed “How to Cook Everything” as”the new Joy of Cooking.” Very general. #editor
[20:31:26] wetzeledit: Fiction, isn’t the goal to put the READER in the place? As long as it does that, I don’t see need for author to be in that place #editorchat
[20:31:51] netta50: RT @joshuastecker: Books are the only form of print media immune to locality. Books, for the most part, is an escapist art form. #editorchat
[20:32:02] BeckyDMBR: And TweetDeck poops out on me AGAIN. Why? Because I’m in #editorchat
[20:32:07] chrisTheAuthor: @lydiabreakfast #editorchat With social networking tools to expand authors reach, I think local in books will be less of a req’t
[20:32:14] Sascha_Zuger: Can’t imagine so. Maybe tougher to create a consistent world not placed in a precise one (for fic) but don’t see it as needed.  #editorchat
[20:32:49] wetzeledit: @LydiaBreakfast And they might have called it “How ANYONE can cook anything” too–the more general, the less place matters, IMO. #editorchat
[20:32:57] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Hi Becky, we can see you 🙂 #editorchat
[20:33:07] netta50: Southern fiction may be marketed more heavily in the South, but the appeal is everywhere #editorchat
[20:33:41] IrisJumbe: @netta50 Hey Netta 🙂 Can’t get tweetchat to load.  Guess I’m gonna have to do #editorchat the old school way
[20:33:46] LydiaBreakfast: So we agree that hyperlocal is not really going to bleed into book publishing. #editorchat
[20:34:06] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast OK. Thanks! Now I’ll try to say something useful. #editorchat
[20:34:17] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Seems that way. 🙂 #editorchat
[20:34:20] wetzeledit: @netta50 Right, and maybe easier to write if live in that culture, but if you succeed from elsewhere, no one will care. #editorchat
[20:34:35] marciamarcia: Nonfiction books are tied to expertise; location irrelevant unless truly required for expertise (or platform) via wetzeledit #editorchat
[20:34:36] Fritinancy: How does one learn a Twit-chat schedule–e.g., #journochat, #editorchat ?
[20:34:47] sooutdoors: RT @LydiaBreakfast: So we agree that hyperlocal is not really going to bleed into book publishing. #editorchat
[20:35:08] jennipps: @BeckyDMBR Have you tried Tweetchat? Seems to be working well for me tonight. #editorchat
[20:35:28] Kathy_Writer: RT @BeckyDMBR: And TweetDeck poops out on me AGAIN. Why? Because I’m in #editorchat
[20:36:04] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s move back to the local angle where would-be citizen journalists submit articles. Are editors trying content crowdsourcing? #editorchat
[20:36:40] LydiaBreakfast: @benlamothe have you experienced this yet? #editorchat
[20:36:50] joshuastecker: @LydiaBreakfast Yes, absolutely. And it works when done right. #editorchat
[20:37:14] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast The ones I’ve worked for don’t appear to be, but I could be wrong or they could be the exception 2 the rule. #editorchat
[20:37:29] LydiaBreakfast: @joshuastecker tell us your criteria for sourcing. #editorchat
[20:37:49] BeckyDMBR: @jennipps Hmm. In Tweetchat now. Let’s see what happens. #editorchat
[20:37:56] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast In my other life I’m a book marketer, and I don’t see the local thing becoming any bigger than it’s always been #editorchat
[20:38:21] debbieharry: We’re always thrilled to have a local hook/angle/connection to work to sell books, but for major houses that’s not enough. #editorchat
[20:38:22] netta50: @wetzeledit Exactly right.  #editorchat
[20:38:25] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps I’ve seen a dramatic increase in the number of freelancers in my town. Editors are already having to put the brakes on #editorchat
[20:39:02] joshuastecker: 1. Obv have to be good writers. 2. Passionate about topic. 3. Not using opportunity to sell something….  #editorchat
[20:39:20] joshuastecker: 4. Wants to contribute to their community. #editorchat
[20:39:27] JDEbberly: RT @joshuastecker: 1. Obv have to be good writers. 2. Passionate about topic. 3. Not using opportunity to sell something…. #editorchat
[20:39:38] collazoprojects: We’re experimenting w/ crowdsourcing. In certain contexts, raises ?s about source credibility. In other contexts, v. useful. #editorchat
[20:39:47] littlebrownpen: This reminds me of the “content is king” days circa 2000. Everyone could be a writer. Quality paid the price imo.  #editorchat
[20:40:08] wetzeledit: @LydiaBreakfast Because there are so many or b/c many of them are not “real” freelancers, not serious/credible? #editorchat
[20:40:08] JDEbberly: RT @joshuastecker: 4. Wants to contribute to their community. #editorchat
[20:40:28] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast Where I see citizen journalists, I’m don’t see editors available. Pubs see this as free opp & editors add cost #editorchat
[20:40:38] jennipps: RT @littlebrownpen This reminds me of the “content is king” days @ 2000. Everyone could be a writer. Quality paid the price imo. #editorchat
[20:40:42] joshuastecker: And most want to do it for a byline (i.e. free), which helps us editors/publishers out. 🙂 #editorchat
[20:40:51] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen and it comes down to payment again? Professionals cost more but offer better product? #editorchat
[20:41:01] thebrandbuilder: Via @mike_elgan: “On Twitter, mindcasting is the new lifecasting.” http://tinyurl.com/dnx5w9 Great piece by the L.A. Times. #editorchat
[20:41:17] netta50: @travelojos Agreed. Key phrase being “right now”. Always have to think ahead. #editorchat
[20:41:33] LydiaBreakfast: @joshuastecker The pursuit of a free byline is a red flag for me. #editorchat
[20:41:33] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast Absolutely. The pendulum overshoots in both directions it seems.  #editorchat
[20:42:34] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast I’ve seen wonderful pieces from citizen journalists paired w/ a good editor.  #editorchat
[20:42:49] BenLaMothe: @LydiaBreakfast Afraid I missed the question. What are you referring to? #editorchat
[20:43:22] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast You get what you pay for, eh? #editorchat
[20:43:24] LydiaBreakfast: @BenLaMothe crowd sourcing among citizen journalists. Are you doing it yet? #editorchat
[20:43:32] joshuastecker: @LydiaBreakfast it would be for some, but in the community i pub for it’s not. It’s different everywhere. #editorchat
[20:43:34] littlebrownpen: Must be well edited! RT @marciamarcia @LydiaBreakfast I’ve seen wonderful pieces from citizen journs paired w/ a good editor #editorchat
[20:43:39] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast Agreed, but it’s too tempting for some pubs.   #editorchat
[20:43:45] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia Does that mean the editors work harder to “fix up” a non professional piece? #editorchat
[20:44:41] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Oh indeed. I belive in paying for quality. Not over the top, but fair pay for good work. #editorchat
[20:44:47] joshuastecker: @marciamarcia Yes, but speaking for me, i ALWAYS ask for clips or examples before hiring/assigning. #editorchat
[20:44:58] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors And how, especially with tight times and small staffs. #editorchat
[20:45:45] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast Yes. Of course. A non-pro piece is usually more work.  #editorchat
[20:46:12] travelojos: One great example of crowd sourcing was Flightblogger. People texted him airplane info and he broke story re: Obama VP #editorchat
[20:46:25] LydiaBreakfast: I’ll throw that out to the rest: Does that mean the editors work harder to “fix up” a non professional piece? #editorchat
[20:46:33] joshuastecker: and yes, I’ve had my share of story kills due to poor quality.  #editorchat
[20:47:13] LydiaBreakfast: @joshuastecker Any way to avoid that? Just not use freelancers? #editorchat
[20:47:28] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast They’d have to. IMO, the cost of their time fixing subpar-quality work would be more than a pro doing it right. #editorchat
[20:47:29] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast Absolutely. And while you can fix comma splices and remove passive voice. You can’t make a bad piece great.  #editorchat
[20:47:37] netta50: @travelojos  General is *not* safe anymore.  You said it yourself – more demand for specialists. #editorchat
[20:48:04] alisonlaw: @LydiaBreakfast Sorry for jumping in, but I would ask this group to define non-professional. Unpaid? Unpublished? #editorchat
[20:48:12] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast I vote “yes”.  With exceptions. #editorchat
[20:48:19] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Freelancers can be pros. I think it means not using citizen journs as writers but as sources instead. #editorchat
[20:48:21] rachelcw: I think we should be careful not to confuse freelancers with citizen journalists #editorchat
[20:48:33] LydiaBreakfast: Writers, how do you position yourselves as producers of quality work? Bust the myth? #editorchat
[20:48:48] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast Not necessarily, there are some good “free” writers out there, but I’m sure that overall editors do more work. #editorchat
[20:49:04] jennipps: Very much agreed! RT @rachelcw I think we should be careful not to confuse freelancers with citizen journalists  #editorchat
[20:49:05] netta50: RT @rachelcw: I think we should be careful not to confuse freelancers with citizen journalists #editorchat
[20:49:27] LydiaBreakfast: @rachelcw I agree, although one editor at a local paper in my town, scrupulously refused to work with non-staffers of any kind. #editorchat
[20:49:48] joshuastecker: @LydiaBreakfast I have a staff of reg freelancers that are great. I crowdsource when looking for new voices/topics to cover. #editorchat
[20:49:50] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Not using freelancers? Don’t think that’s an option, is it? So many out there. #editorchat
[20:49:57] JDEbberly: RT @rachelcw: I think we should be careful not to confuse freelancers with citizen journalists #editorchat
[20:50:08] jennipps: @alisonlaw Non-professional, to me, non-writers. There are some unpublished who are/can be quite professional-appearing. #editorchat
[20:50:25] IrisJumbe: RT @netta50: RT @rachelcw: I think we should be careful not to confuse freelancers with citizen journalists #editorchat
[20:50:25] littlebrownpen: @alisonlaw For me it’s simple: professional = good. Lack of experience is fine. Lack of ability to write is not.  #editorchat
[20:50:43] joshuastecker: RT @rachelcw: I think we should be careful not to confuse freelancers with citizen journalists #editorchat
[20:50:58] LydiaBreakfast: @alisonlaw No problem, glad you could join. Professional = good work and has track record. #editorchat
[20:50:58] jennipps: @littlebrownpen Exactly! THat’s what I was trying to get at but don’t think I did very well. *s* #editorchat
[20:51:13] BeckyDMBR: @alisonlaw Non-professional = no writing/journalism/publishing ed, background or experience. #editorchat
[20:51:44] joshuastecker: @littlebrownpen i can semi-agree, but all proffessional writers need a start somewhere. #editorchat
[20:51:45] rachelcw: @LydiaBreakfast you’ll find discrimination/clique-ishness or mindset at many pubs, but freelancers can add much to the mix #editorchat
[20:51:52] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Please join us for #editorchat if you can 🙂
[20:51:56] marciamarcia: Best citizn journlst: 1 Good writer 2 Passion abt topic 3 Not using opp to sell 4 Wants to contribute to comm via @joshuastecker #editorchat
[20:52:11] joshuastecker: *professional (yes, i even edit myself) #editorchat
[20:52:38] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast I think writers prove themselves with top-notch writing. #editorchat
[20:52:43] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast Lots of research is the key.  I try to write national and still appear local.  Being local does reduce research. #editorchat
[20:52:56] jennipps: @joshuastecker I think most of us do and everyone should. *S* #editorchat
[20:53:08] LydiaBreakfast: @rachelcw as a *professional* freelancer I thank you for saying that  #editorchat
[20:53:21] littlebrownpen: @joshuastecker I agree. Some of the best writers I know wouldn’t be considered “professionals” #editorchat
[20:53:28] joshuastecker: and now I have to jet. See all of you next week. Off to rehearsal (i co-own a theatre company, too). 🙂 #editorchat
[20:53:52] LydiaBreakfast: @DaydreamWriter stop in to #editorchat – good networking for you.
[20:53:56] BeckyDMBR: @joshuastecker Bye! #editorchat
[20:54:02] BenLaMothe: @LydiaBreakfast I haven’t done it much. I’m not an active journo in that I don’t work for an org. I’m more involved in mag devel #editorchat
[20:54:04] jennipps: @joshuastecker Good to see you. Liked your input. 🙂 #editorchat
[20:54:13] alisonlaw: RT @littlebrownpen: @joshuastecker I agree. Some of the best writers I know wouldn’t be considered “professionals” #editorchat
[20:54:23] LydiaBreakfast: @joshuastecker Thanks so much for coming, enjoyed having you on board. #editorchat
[20:54:44] rachelcw: @LydiaBreakfast we have to stick up for each other and stick together! and of course distinguish ourselves with professionalism #editorchat
[20:55:02] marciamarcia: @joshuastecker I ask for clips, too, but some are heavily edited and writer consistently needs that level of support. #editorchat
[20:55:18] travelojos: @LydiaBreakfast all things being equal is freelancer with a blog on the subject they are writing about more desirable? #editorchat
[20:55:34] Sascha_Zuger: @littlebrownpen Doesn’t lack of experience include lack of exp. about journalistic ethics and practice?  #editorchat
[20:55:41] LydiaBreakfast: Agreed, so writers, how did you break through the professional barrier? #editorchat
[20:55:43] jennipps: RT @rachelcw @LydiaBreakfast we have to stick up for each other & stick together! & distinguish ourselves with professionalism #editorchat
[20:56:19] LydiaBreakfast: @travelojos it shows a level of expertise, or lack thereof, if they write regular blog entries on a topic. #editorchat
[20:56:36] littlebrownpen: @jennipps Yes, when it comes to journalism (citing sources, ethics, etc.). But not when it comes to lifestyle topics.  #editorchat
[20:56:42] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Honestly? I wrote for free for a state newsletter for a year. That gave me a few clips to break into another mag #editorchat
[20:56:46] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @travelojos it shows a level of expertise, or lack thereof, if they write regular blog entries on a topic. #editorchat
[20:56:52] BeckyDMBR: @travelojos I’d say it depends on the quality of material on the blog. #editorchat
[20:56:53] jennipps: I’ve been working up from there. #editorchat
[20:57:21] IrisJumbe: @marciamarcia I’m wondering: is a writer who needs a highlevel support – a freelancer – someone you’d persevere with? #editorchat
[20:57:21] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Have to start somewhere 😉 #editorchat
[20:57:39] travelojos: @JDEbberly what if a freelancer is a mediocre writer, but likely to generate a lot of traffic? #editorchat
[20:57:57] JDEbberly: RT @BeckyDMBR: @travelojos I’d say it depends on the quality of material on the blog. #editorchat
[20:58:07] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Definitely. 🙂 I’m currently working on an on-spec assignment I got because of working up the ladder. #editorchat
[20:58:11] DaydreamWriter: The journalists that are most dedicated to their work are the ones you should want to have on board. #editorchat
[20:58:15] collazoprojects: @LydiaBreakfast I work as hard to ‘fix’ journos’ pieces as much as ‘non-professionals.’ Sad but true. #editorchat
[20:58:24] LydiaBreakfast: @travelojos Mediocre is what it is. Some editors may take it, but I think quality pubs will pass. #editorchat
[20:58:27] rachelcw: @travelojos then they have a good chance of ultimately becoming one of Oprah’s picks when published 🙂 #editorchat
[20:58:42] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast I started writing quite by accident, but then did my homework and joined professional orgs; lots of networking #editorchat
[20:58:42] littlebrownpen: @travelojos Ding, ding, ding. That’s really the key here, right? If the blogger/citizen journalist has traffic – hired.  #editorchat
[20:58:44] BeckyDMBR: @Sascha_Zuger Lack of experience can mean lack of ethics & practice, but that’s where a good editor comes in. #editorchat
[20:58:45] netta50: RT @rachelcw: we have to stick up for each other and stick together! and of course distinguish ourselves with professionalism #editorchat
[20:58:48] IrisJumbe: @travelojos How would poor writing generate a lot of traffic?  #editorchat
[20:58:52] Hergett: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Hi all. Stopping in for a bit… reporter/editor at the Bozeman Daily Chronicle.
[20:59:07] LydiaBreakfast: @collazoprojects That is unfortunate. I edit myself heavily so my eds. don’t have to work that hard. #editorchat
[20:59:12] jennipps: @IrisJumbe Controversial material, I suppose. #editorchat
[20:59:28] BeckyDMBR: @littlebrownpen Nah. Traffic doesn’t necessarily = quality. #editorchat
[20:59:30] sooutdoors: RT @DaydreamWriter: The journalists that are most dedicated to their work are the ones you should want to have on board. #editorchat
[20:59:31] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Does your pub use freelancers at all? #editorchat
[20:59:32] marciamarcia: @irisjumbe Absolutely I’d persevere. What writer isn’t better w/ a good editor? Even the experience of working w/ one helps. #editorchat
[20:59:46] littlebrownpen: @IrisJumbe It depends on how you define poor.;) #editorchat
[21:00:00] netta50: @angie1234p Trying to keep up with #editorchat 🙂
[21:00:05] alisonlaw: @JDEbberly @travelojos Great ? about mediocre writers! I’ve read blogs from so-called blogging experts that were terrible.  #editorchat
[21:00:29] littlebrownpen: @BeckyDMBR agree. But it’s not always about the quality, sadly. It’s just how the game is played. Depends on topic though.  #editorchat
[21:00:32] netta50: RT @marciamarcia:  I’d persevere. What writer isn’t better w/ a good editor? Even the experience of working w/ one helps. #editorchat
[21:01:17] jennipps: @alisonlaw They might be experts as in having done an extensive study of blogging, but they’re not very good @ expressing it. #editorchat
[21:01:26] Hergett: @LydiaBreakfast Very rarely. We do as much in house as possible. When we use freelancers, they’re usually former reporters. #editorchat
[21:01:43] collazoprojects: Call me old-fashioned, but spelling, grammar, & basic writing skills count. Content & originality imp., but so is craft. #editorchat
[21:01:48] IrisJumbe: @marciamarcia True, we all need an editor. Tho there’s a line where 1 decides a writer might not be up to the job #editorchat
[21:01:48] LydiaBreakfast: Related Q4 Do writers need to do more to stand out amongst the (ahem) crowd today? What strategies are working?   #editorchat
[21:02:06] Dark_Faust: Is #editorchat still going on?
[21:02:07] collazoprojects: I feel that if you don’t care about your words, then maybe you don’t really care about your subject or process, either. #editorchat
[21:02:11] sooutdoors: Have to skip out early tonight.  Good night all.  Great chat as always. #editorchat
[21:02:12] marciamarcia: @irisjumbe In my exper, pubs sometimes think that good clips = good writers who don’t need editing. That’s thin ice. #editorchat
[21:02:25] netta50: @collazoprojects EXACTLY and thank you.  #editorchat
[21:02:36] BeckyDMBR: @collazoprojects Yeah, call me old-fashioned too. But I’ve edited all kinds. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:02:43] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Thanks for joining Lloyd #editorchat
[21:02:50] BeckyDMBR: @sooutdoors G’night. See you next time! #editorchat
[21:03:04] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust Hello, yes it is! Please join 🙂  #editorchat
[21:03:10] jennipps: RT @collazoprojects I feel that if you don’t care abt your words, then maybe you don’t really care about your subject or process #editorchat
[21:03:16] alisonlaw: @marciamarcia IMHO I’m a great writer and a great editor. Like most, I cannot edit my own writing. Can’t do it alone. #editorchat
[21:03:23] Sascha_Zuger: @BeckyDMBR I was just referring to @littlebrownpen’s characterization of a professional = good. Lack of exp. not mattering. #editorchat
[21:03:24] LydiaBreakfast: Q4 Do writers need to do more to stand out amongst the (ahem) crowd today? What strategies are working? #editorchat
[21:03:35] Dark_Faust: Lot’ of tech editor’s being displaced. Same for other field, too? #editorchat
[21:04:31] jennipps: Q4 Attention to detail (incl self-editing) and professionalism go a long way toward standing out, IMO. #editorchat
[21:04:42] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust lots of everyone being displaced. We are talking strategies to stand out among the crowd #editorchat
[21:04:44] wisekaren: Eek, I’m being pulled in all directions by kids tonight. Sorry I can’t join in more. #editorchat
[21:05:03] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast Q4 Persistence. Practice. Networking. Did I say persistence? And practice?  #editorchat
[21:05:15] rachelcw: @LydiaBreakfast tunnel vision, perseverance,integrity- you know the old fashioned skill set that sets u apart from the immedia #editorchat
[21:05:30] travelojos: @LydiaBreakfast to stand out you need to think about the big picture, pitch hot story ideas, off shoots like podcasts etc. #editorchat
[21:05:41] netta50: RT @jennipps: Q4 Attn to detail (incl self-editing) and professionalism go a long way toward standing out, IMO. #editorchat Exactly right.
[21:05:57] JDEbberly: RT @netta50: @LydiaBreakfast Q4 Persistence. Practice. Networking. Did I say persistence? And practice? #editorchat
[21:06:08] Hergett: Q4 Willingness to do any story works here. It’s all about attitude. Of course, being able to tell that story helps too. #editorchat
[21:06:20] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia If they do, I think they are working with the wrong writer. #editorchat
[21:06:21] littlebrownpen: RT @JDEbberly RT @netta50: @LydiaBreakfast Q4 Persistence. Practice. Networking. Did I say persistence? And practice?  #editorchat
[21:06:54] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Which brings us back to generalists still having a place in a hyper-local environment #editorchat
[21:07:05] marciamarcia: @alisonlaw I’m a great editor & avg writer. I seek help for latter, wish others knew to do that too. Can any of us do it alone? #editorchat
[21:07:09] IrisJumbe: @littlebrownpen Used 2 work 4 an ESL pblshr. Tried 2 get tchrs 2 write. lesson: knowing a sbjct doesn’t = ability 2 write abt it #editorchat
[21:07:13] Dark_Faust: @LydiaBreakfast Thx, Lydia. Standing out in the crowd.  Best to make sure you’re in the right crowd, which is now in flux.  #editorchat
[21:07:42] alisonlaw: @jennipps True – last week couldn’t finish a blog post from a blog expert on how to write blogs b/c writing was so painful. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:07:48] littlebrownpen: @IrisJumbe agree.  #editorchat
[21:08:01] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust So what is the right crowd? Generalist or specialist? Or something in between? #editorchat
[21:08:29] Dark_Faust: If you write magazine articles, then writing books might help you stand out and vice versa. #editorchat
[21:08:38] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast I saw a tweet that journos sh/be Swiss Army Knives. I responded w/yeah, we used to call that jack-of-all-trades. #editorchat
[21:08:44] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast Hmm. I’ve worked w/ several fabulous book authors who needed heavy editing. They were the right writers. #editorchat
[21:09:07] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust A book is a huge commitment in a time when even book pubs are suffering from lack of $$ #editorchat
[21:09:19] IrisJumbe: @lydiabreakfast Q4: Extramiling it.  That always says value for money. And developing your skills – beef up the resume. #editorchat
[21:09:47] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia so what made them fabulous? Knowledge of the topic? Or general demeanor? #editorchat
[21:09:48] alisonlaw: @LydiaBreakfast Hard to stand out with today’s info overload. 100 others writing about same topic daily. Can’t just be relevant. #editorchat
[21:09:52] Sascha_Zuger: Q4 Getting more creative, fewer pages=fewer stories. Telling the story in less space. Jump through more hoops to save eds time. #editorchat
[21:10:13] jennipps: @IrisJumbe That brings up a question probably better suited for another chat, if not a different forum altogether. *s* #editorchat
[21:10:46] LydiaBreakfast: @Sascha_Zuger I’m all about jumping …err…providing good customer service to my editors. #editorchat
[21:11:12] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps you can add it to the blog comments to discuss next time 🙂 #editorchat
[21:11:27] IrisJumbe: @jennipps Eep! you’ve lost me: What does? #editorchat
[21:11:35] alisonlaw: @LydiaBreakfast So I think the answer is not to be hyperlocal or general, but determined and flexible. Professional. Reliable. #editorchat
[21:11:36] collazoprojects: @alisonlaw It always helps–no matter how great a writer you are–to have another pair of editor’s eyes review. #editorchat
[21:11:56] netta50: @alisonlaw It’s not relevance that will stand out, but quality. Consistent quality. An ability to be flexible. #editorchat
[21:12:06] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast I think I will. Then you & @milehighfool can decide if it’s relevant to this chat. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:12:18] jennipps: @IrisJumbe Your comment about beefing up the resume. *S* #editorchat
[21:12:31] littlebrownpen: I rely more and more on my contacts/familiar eds, because pitching (even with experience) is getting harder. Too much noise.   #editorchat
[21:12:34] LydiaBreakfast: @teashopgirl join us for #editorchat
[21:12:47] Sascha_Zuger: @LydiaBreakfast Lots of reminding myself they are doing their jobs and those of empty desks around them these days.  #editorchat
[21:13:03] BeckyDMBR: @collazoprojects Oh, absolutely. I still send stuff to my former colleague, current friend. We swap editing eyes all the time. #editorchat
[21:13:05] LydiaBreakfast: RT@netta50 It’s not relevance that will stand out, but quality. Consistent quality. An ability to be flexible. #editorchat #editorchat
[21:13:07] IrisJumbe: @marciamarcia you sound like a fabulous editor to work with.  Have come across some pretty trigger-happy ones in my day #editorchat
[21:13:15] collazoprojects: @marciamarcia I rec’d a draft from respected print journo rife with errors. Was peeved I told her to spell check before I’d see. #editorchat
[21:13:23] janeco: Arriving late, hi everyone. Freelance writer/ed #editorchat
[21:13:30] jennipps: RT @alisonlaw @LydiaBreakfast I think the answer isn’t to be hyperlocal/general, but determined/flexible. Professional. Reliable #editorchat
[21:13:36] Dark_Faust: @LydiaBreakfast I was thinking more of print vs online, blog vs established journalism, etc. We must participate in all. #editorchat
[21:13:45] IrisJumbe: @jennipps Ah, I see.  Twas in reply to Q4 – re: separating ourselves from the pack #editorchat
[21:13:49] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast Fabulous b/c they saw new dimensions in age-old topics & enough of their writing was clear, interesting. #editorchat
[21:13:49] littlebrownpen: Agree! RT: @collazoprojects It always helps–no matter how great a writer you are–to have another pair of editor’s eyes review. #editorchat
[21:13:50] jennipps: RT @netta50 @alisonlaw It’s not relevance that will stand out, but quality. Consistent quality. An ability to be flexible. #editorchat
[21:13:55] hotspringer: Q4 All other things being equal, a timely handwritten snailmailed thank-you note goes a long way in helping to stand out. #editorchat
[21:14:04] collazoprojects: @EEPR_17 I was JUST about to tweet about that. SO dislike “2” for to, etc. #editorchat
[21:14:06] LydiaBreakfast: @janeco Hi Jane still time to jump in: Do writers need to do more to stand out amongst the crowd today? #editorchat
[21:14:10] travelojos: @LydiaBreakfast the busiest freelancer I know has his wife (an english teacher) proofread all his work #editorchat
[21:14:12] Dark_Faust: @LydiaBreakfast All true, but a book can be a good way to get exposure to another side of the equation. Must be right book, tho. #editorchat
[21:14:28] LydiaBreakfast: @hotspringer Agreed! #editorchat
[21:14:52] jennipps: @IrisJumbe Yup. But my q is about how much beef to add to resumes. lol #editorchat
[21:15:12] LydiaBreakfast: Is anyone doing podcasts? Or do we just talk about doing them but they’ve lost their appeal? #editorchat
[21:15:14] IrisJumbe: @collazoprojects Absolutely.  Even for just superficial as proofreading #editorchat
[21:15:18] collazoprojects: 2nd pair of edit eyes helpful when you’re writing about a subject you know well. Need to make sure it translates to general aud. #editorchat
[21:15:29] rachelcw: @hotspringer agreed. great manners and great business style and etiquette always make a huge difference. #editorchat
[21:15:32] DaydreamWriter: @littlebrownpen I agree as well! Editor’s eyes help us become a better writer all-around. #editorchat
[21:15:36] IrisJumbe: @jennipps Agreed – that would be a chat worth sitting in on 🙂 #editorchat
[21:15:40] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast So many writers use a paragraph when a sentence will do. I help them illuminate their best. #editorchat
[21:15:49] Alexandrialeigh: Ugh. I don’t do podcasts because there’s a reason I didn’t go into radio. I hate the sound of my voice.  #editorchat
[21:15:49] Sascha_Zuger: Q4 Give them confidence, via support materials, for going in editorial meeting knowing story won’t fall through. #editorchat
[21:16:00] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast I’m honestly thinking about doing a couple to see how it works & if it’s viable. #editorchat
[21:16:09] janeco: @LydiaBreakfast I dont see how today is different from any other time…u should always try 2 distinguish ur own style fr others #editorchat
[21:16:10] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia I’m sure you do – you give good tweet, the ultimate short form 😉 #editorchat
[21:16:13] Dark_Faust: @LydiaBreakfast I’m looking for editors, but with so many out of work, I go with more well known editors.  #editorchat
[21:16:37] littlebrownpen: @marciamarcia Yep. Hemingway is a great model for all.  #editorchat
[21:16:38] Alexandrialeigh: @collazoprojects: Agreed. I often have a writer-friend look at my work, especially if it’s a difficult/technical subject. #editorchat
[21:16:46] travelojos: @LydiaBreakfast I have been doing audiocasts for my regular job as a senior editor for a tax pub. Growing revenue source #editorchat
[21:16:52] Dark_Faust: @LydiaBreakfast Which makes it tougher on those starting out.  #editorchat
[21:16:58] BeckyDMBR: @travelojos Yeah, we should all have a wife to proofread us, eh? #editorchat
[21:17:14] LydiaBreakfast: 15 more minutes to this lively discussion. Answer the q’s or jump in with another. #editorchat
[21:17:38] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: 15 more minutes to this lively discussion. Answer the q’s or jump in with another. #editorchat
[21:17:45] netta50: Writing flash fiction is a great way to improve your short skills. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:17:46] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust No kidding. I am glad I got started ten years ago 🙂 #editorchat
[21:17:55] bobbbyg: @rachelcw career & corporate cool? #editorchat
[21:18:05] rachelcw: @lydiabreakfast et al – I’m fading fast after a tough day.I thank you all for the food for thought and excellent insights.  #editorchat
[21:18:18] JDEbberly: RT @netta50: Writing flash fiction is a great way to improve your short skills. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:18:27] LydiaBreakfast: Does anyone have a burning question? Need advice? Support? Now is your chance… #editorchat
[21:18:30] Dark_Faust: @LydiaBreakfast Sorry to be behind the curve here, but where are the questions? #editorchat
[21:18:31] rachelcw: @bobbbyg and here I was about to leave and you mention my book? #editorchat
[21:18:38] DaydreamWriter: What should new freelancers consider when they pitch a publication? #editorchat
[21:18:43] travelojos: @BeckyDMBR He told everyone about this on a Webinar called Freelancing in the Digital Age. It all comes back to the basics #editorchat
[21:18:44] LydiaBreakfast: @rachelcw Thanks so much for coming. #editorchat
[21:18:51] jennipps: RT @netta50 Writing flash fiction is a great way to improve your short skills. 🙂  #editorchat
[21:18:53] Dark_Faust: @JDEbberly Where do you go to publish fiction? Analog, etc? #editorchat
[21:19:02] marciamarcia: @IrisJumbe I’ve had my share of overzealous editors & don’t want to do that to others. Thankfully I’ve also learned from gems. #editorchat
[21:19:12] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust editorchat.wordpress.com and throughout the chat I add to the mix. #editorchat
[21:19:19] IrisJumbe: @lydiabreakfast re:podcasts: hard to find concise, informative podcasts. 4 a podcast 2 work it has to be these things + current #editorchat
[21:19:36] jennipps: Oh, shucks, I’ll go ahead & ask it…Comment was made abt beefing up resumes. What to include? Offices? Awards? Speaking appts? #editorchat
[21:20:34] jennipps: (I know incl publications & the like; it’s the rest I struggle with @ times.) #editorchat
[21:20:34] janeco: @jennipps I would def iclude awards & spkg engagements #editorchat
[21:20:38] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps I am ambivalent about using “award-winning” and thinking of taking it off my B&N bio. #editorchat
[21:21:16] DaydreamWriter: @LydiaBreakfast What should new freelancers consider when they pitch a publication? #editorchat
[21:21:21] janeco: @LydiaBreakfast if u win a writing award why not flaunt it? #editorchat
[21:21:23] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast The award stuff is what gives me the most pause at the moment, honestly. #editorchat
[21:21:25] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast New Q: One of the best mag editors I’ve worked w/ is abt to be downsized. Wants another FT gig. Is there hope? #editorchat
[21:22:05] LydiaBreakfast: @DaydreamWriter study the pub carefully to make sure pitch and style are relevant to their readers #editorchat
[21:22:05] Sascha_Zuger: @LydiaBreakfast I’ve noticed most of the best award-winning authors…don’t throw “award-winning” around. #editorchat
[21:22:05] jennipps: @janeco Maybe b/c of small/unknown contest? #editorchat
[21:22:19] BeckyDMBR: @jennipps I’d say go w/what’s on LinkedIn. #editorchat
[21:22:32] LydiaBreakfast: @janeco I suppose, just not really sure #editorchat
[21:22:33] bobbbyg: @rachelcw Is that bad? #editorchat
[21:22:51] jennipps: @BeckyDMBR I need to update LinkedIn. *s* #editorchat
[21:23:02] janeco: @Sascha_Zuger I’m not say us “award-winning” I’m saying if have some awards list them #editorchat
[21:23:31] IrisJumbe: @jennipps I joined editing assocs & take related online courses. Also pitch 4 work outside of my comfort zone to build portfolio #editorchat
[21:23:34] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia there is always consulting. Especially for those who want to write a book but need help. #editorchat
[21:23:38] Sascha_Zuger: @LydiaBreakfast To be honest, it makes me suspicious to see it, due to overuse by those that shouldn’t. #editorchat
[21:23:44] janeco: sorry for the typos, not hitting the keys hard enough #editorchat
[21:24:01] marciamarcia: @jennipps Beef up w/ candid info on your breadth & depth of experience. When I hire, that’s what I care about. #editorchat
[21:24:02] BeckyDMBR: @jennipps It follows resume basics but allows recommendations / references. #editorchat
[21:24:11] jennipps: @IrisJumbe I did that & ended up with an on-spec assignment. lol. Going to work on that more after done here. #editorchat
[21:24:30] alisonlaw: Agreed! List  them. RT @janeco: @Sascha_Zuger I’m not say us “award-winning” I’m saying if have some awards list them #editorchat
[21:24:35] IrisJumbe: @jennipps I still don’t get how LinkedIn works.  I mean, I know what it is, but just not how  it benefits writers/editors. #editorchat
[21:24:38] Dark_Faust: The business model to support generalist editors – maybe all editors – is rapidly changing. Editors are still needed, but… #editorchat
[21:24:45] jennipps: @marciamarcia Hmm… That actually answers most of what my concern(s) was (were). #editorchat
[21:25:12] netta50: @Dark_Faust But…what? #editorchat
[21:25:15] jennipps: @IrisJumbe Welcome to the club. I haven’t quite figured that out either, which is why I largely ignore it. #editorchat
[21:25:32] LydiaBreakfast: OK tweeps five minutes to re-introduce ourselves and offer links #editorchat
[21:25:50] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: OK tweeps five minutes to re-introduce ourselves and offer links #editorchat
[21:25:52] BeckyDMBR: @IrisJumbe You can send a link to your LI page. Most times, you send an electronic copy of your resume, right? #editorchat
[21:25:57] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast She doesn’t want to consult for reasons we’ve talked about here. I want to believe openings are out there. #editorchat
[21:26:08] hotspringer: I’ve written everything from Dear John letters to eulogies when times are slow. Almost always opens a new connection. #editorchat
[21:26:08] Sascha_Zuger: @janeco I’d be concerned if it’s something that they have never heard of, might have opposite effect than intended. #editorchat
[21:26:18] netta50: RT @IrisJumbe: I join editing assocs & take related online courses. Also pitch 4 work outside my comfort zone to build portfolio #editorchat
[21:26:27] jennipps: @BeckyDMBR Ohh. THat’s a use I hadn’t thought of. #editorchat
[21:26:34] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia why not start a new pub gathering the best of the laid off people? #editorchat
[21:26:41] marciamarcia: @jennipps Happy to chat offline. Contact info on my homepage. #editorchat
[21:26:48] littlebrownpen: Thanks all. I’m headed to bed (still on Paris time). If I’m not twittering, I’m here: http://littlebrownpen.blogspot.com/ #editorchat
[21:26:59] BeckyDMBR: @IrisJumbe & @jennipps Your assignment for next week, should you choose to accept it, is to update your LinkedIn pages. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:27:03] Alexandrialeigh: Writer/editor in Charlotte, NC. Book about detainees at Gitmo out in June. Writes about everything! http://www.aleighacerni.com #editorchat
[21:27:22] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast Ah, starting a new pub and being a great editor are often very different skills. #editorchat
[21:27:23] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Thanks Nichole #editorchat
[21:27:40] hotspringer: RT @LydiaBreakfast @marciamarcia why not start a new pub gathering the best of the laid off people?  #editorchat
[21:27:43] LydiaBreakfast: @Alexandrialeigh Thanks for coming take care of those wrists! #editorchat
[21:27:46] janeco: @Sascha_Zuger Understand, u need to make that call, but if it’a fairly well-known award — local or regional, list it #editorchat
[21:27:55] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Actually, a few groups exist for laid-offs, professionals, etc. Some on twitter. #editorchat
[21:28:02] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast always a pleasure. 😉 #editorchat
[21:28:05] jennipps: Jen, fl writer in south-central Oklahoma, contributor @TutorialBlog – articles list here: www.tutorialblog.org/author/jen-nipps/ #editorchat
[21:28:13] netta50: RT @marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast Ah, starting a new pub and being a great editor are often very different skills. #editorchat TRUE!
[21:28:13] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia yes, but those ed skills can be part of a useful team with new blood and fresh outlook #editorchat
[21:28:18] Alexandrialeigh: @LydiaBreakfast: I couldn’t stay away! I just heard about Smart Gloves…will be buying some.  #editorchat
[21:28:23] alisonlaw: Thanks for great discussion. Thanks @LydiaBreakfast for hosting. #editorchat
[21:28:30] SimplyForties: RT @netta50: Writing flash fiction is a great way to improve your short skills. 🙂 #editorchat
[21:28:37] IrisJumbe: @BeckyDMBR Heh.  Not sure about that, Becky.  But will certainly try to learn about what the  real benefits are. #editorchat
[21:29:20] Hergett: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks, as always, for #editorchat
[21:29:24] LydiaBreakfast: Anyone else want to intro and offer links? Almost time to close shop… #editorchat
[21:29:42] Sascha_Zuger: Night, all — nice chat! #editorchat
[21:29:42] jennipps: @Alexandrialeigh I LOVE my Smart Gloves. They have a bean-bag in the palm and come w/a removable splint if u need more support #editorchat
[21:29:45] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Thank you for joining us #editorchat
[21:29:58] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for hosting and good night! #editorchat
[21:30:05] LydiaBreakfast: @Sascha_Zuger G’night #editorchat
[21:30:12] DaydreamWriter: Stacy Lipson, freelance writer for a number of various publications. Clips and links available on request. #editorchat
[21:30:24] janeco: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks, sorry had to come in late; had a meeting conflict. See u next wk #editorchat
[21:30:27] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks, stellar job, as usual 🙂  #editorchat
[21:30:31] jennipps: @Alexandrialeigh They’re a bit pricey but well worth it (& machine-washable.) #editorchat
[21:30:32] Dark_Faust: @netta50 Sorry, a policeman with a K-9 just walked by my window. had to investigate. seems ok #editorchat
[21:30:44] LydiaBreakfast: @DaydreamWriter Thanks Stacy – hope you had fun 🙂 #editorchat
[21:30:49] BeckyDMBR: @IrisJumbe If it helps, take a look at my LI. http://www.linkedin.com/in/beckygjendem #editorchat
[21:30:52] Hergett: Reporter/editor at the Bozeman Daily Chronicle under the big Montana sky. http://www.dailychronicle.com/ #editorchat
[21:31:10] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust give us a link and an out-tro #editorchat
[21:31:28] hotspringer: Have 86K assignments for Masters for Newbies. Have tix for Tues practice rounds. Want tix to competition rnds. #editorchat
[21:31:39] netta50: @Dark_Faust They were prob looking for an editor. Heh. #editorchat
[21:31:50] LydiaBreakfast: Remember if you still want to chat, just head over to editorchat.wordpress.com and drop a comment #editorchat
[21:32:18] LydiaBreakfast: We’ll have the transcript available tomorrow on the blog.  #editorchat
[21:32:26] Dark_Faust: @netta50  but…. will have a different “job” model. Many friends are disappearing behind corporate walls. Those that don’t… #editorchat
[21:32:37] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast, thanks for hosting. 🙂   #editorchat
[21:32:40] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: We’ll have the transcript available tomorrow on the blog. #editorchat
[21:32:44] IrisJumbe: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for a great chat, Lydia and all contributors.  Bye everyone!  #editorchat
[21:33:00] LydiaBreakfast: Once again tweeps, this is your host Lydia Dishman, freelance journo for business, food, travel et. al. Thanks so much! #editorchat
[21:33:06] Dark_Faust: @netta50 … are freelancing/ghostwriting and doing very well. But w/ no benefits pkg.  #editorchat
[21:33:15] jennipps: I’m out. Will be around Twitter a bit. See you all next week. #editorchat
[21:33:22] marciamarcia: Interested in ensuring readers learn from your writing? I’d welcome working with you. www.marciaconner.com #editorchat
[21:33:24] hotspringer: Ouch. Sorry @LydiaBreakfast. Here I am: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccamccormick. Travel focus w/ “Graminator” edge. #editorchat
[21:33:53] Dark_Faust: @netta50 🙂  Suddenly feel like I’m in a Ray Bradbury novel. “Why no, officer, I’m not writing?”   #editorchat
[21:34:38] LydiaBreakfast: Good night all. Check out editorchat.wordpress.com for more info, transcript or just to keep the convo going. Thx! #editorchat
[21:34:48] IrisJumbe: @BeckyDMBR Thanks, Beck, I will 🙂 #editorchat
[21:35:11] jennipps: It was a great #editorchat. If you’re a writer or editor & haven’t gone, try to go next week. (8:00 EST.)
[21:35:19] netta50: @Dark_Faust In the same boat. t’s scary w/o the benefits, but worth it so far. Good corp. jobs are harder to find than freelance.#editorchat
[21:35:36] hotspringer: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for hosting. Goodnight all. #editorchat
[21:35:36] merylkevans: Oh, man. My track record gets worse. The last four times I enter chat, it’s at the very end. #editorchat
[21:35:44] Dark_Faust: @LydiaBreakfast Thx, Lydia. You’re a great moderator. #editorchat
[21:35:51] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast ‘Night Lydia, and thanks again. You RAWKED it!! #editorchat
[21:36:07] IrisJumbe: @marciamarcia Thank you, Marcia. Focus is on copywriting right now.  I’ll definitely check out your site. #editorchat
[21:37:11] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Just got back from Benjamin’s Big Birthday Dinner. Thanks for hosting. Wish I could have done both. #editorchat
[21:37:15] BeckyDMBR: Thanks for the chat! G’night! #editorchat #editorchat
[21:38:16] netta50: @milehighfool She was awesome, but you were missed 🙂 #editorchat
[21:39:40] milehighfool: @JDEbberly I’m sure it was. No doubt I’m lucky to have @LydiaBreakfast as a writing confidant. #editorchat
[21:40:04] collazoprojects: @Alexandrialeigh WOW! I just visited GTMO in October. #editorchat
[21:40:18] milehighfool: @netta50 Very kind of you say — we had a great time. Hard to believe my oldest is 9. Ugh. Where does the time go? #editorchat
[21:41:24] keikomushi: @netta50 One might suggest that hate mail could class as flash fiction as well. LOL #editorchat
[21:41:43] netta50: @milehighfool I’m not even telling how old mine is, but it might explain the mummy wrappings I have. Heh. #editorchat
[21:41:56] Dark_Faust: Anyone use media bistro? #editorchat
[21:42:38] Dark_Faust: BTW: What is flash fiction? (From a simple tech junkie) #editorchat
[21:44:00] LindseyBeth: Darn, I missed #editorchat. Back to my bad reality TV…
[21:44:14] netta50: @Dark_Faust Generally, fiction under 1500 words. Many times, much, much less. I love it – to read AND write.  #editorchat
[21:47:05] girlgumption: Hello. This is my first tweetchat. Did I make it in time? #editorchat
[21:47:13] Dark_Faust: @netta50 Interesting. Where is it published? Does anyone pay for it? Would you share the URL for what you’ve written? #editorchat
[21:47:15] AbbieKendall: @Dark_Faust I’m not in #editorchat, but saw your question.  I subscribe to several Media Bistro newsletters.
[21:48:47] Dark_Faust: @AbbieKendall Me too. They cover a wide range of concerns, but many are surprisingly relevant. #editorchat
[21:49:18] jdfreivald: @Dark_Faust Here’s one answer by well-known short-short writer Bruce Holland Rogers: http://tinyurl.com/8stkrx #editorchat
[21:52:45] Dark_Faust: @jdfreivald Makes sense that other forms of communication are scaling down. Twitter is 140 word. Short stories now 1.5K words. #editorchat
[21:52:56] Dark_Faust: @jdfreivald Thx, I’ll read it tonight.  #editorchat
[21:54:02] netta50: @Dark_Faust Here’s a story that was published:  #editorchat http://bit.ly/lLSbu Other examples are on the site.
[21:56:08] netta50: @Dark_Faust Flash has been around for centuries. Resurgence due to the internet, maybe short attn. spans? #editorchat
[21:58:50] Dark_Faust: @netta50 Agree. Shrinking reading spans help. But most of us have less time to write, too. Maybe it all will balance. #editorchat

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Written by LydiaBreakfast

March 12, 2009 at 3:15 pm

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