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Transcript of Editorchat 3-18

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On March 18 we discussed the digital divide. Is there a difference between writing for print and web? What are editors looking for in terms of good web writing? The conversation follows below. As always, if you have anything to add, please drop us a comment in the box below. Questions are welcome too.

[20:01:07] milehighfool: @anndouglas Instructions and details: http://tinyurl.com/dh99oz Welcome! #editorchat
[20:01:18] LydiaBreakfast: Tip: TweetDeck has a filter feature at the bottom of each column. Select #editorchat as the text to exclude, unless you want in #editorchat
[20:01:50] sooutdoors: Good evening all. Lloyd here from Southern Ontario Outdoors. Tech writer & Outdoors writer for print and electronic media. #editorchat
[20:01:53] Hergett: Sorry I can’t join in tonight. I am off to a charity Tweetup. I’ll check the transcript later. #editorchat
[20:02:39] anndouglas: @milehighfool Thanks so much! Will catch up in a few minutes. #editorchat
[20:02:49] milehighfool: @Hergett Thanks for stopping in before the tweetup. See you next week, I hope. #editorchat
[20:03:05] LydiaBreakfast: And we are live – welcome to another edition of editorchat, please introduce yourself #editorchat
[20:03:13] JDEbberly: Good evening to all. JD Ebberly, out of N VA. I write pieces about blogging & new media. #editorchat
[20:03:24] netta50: Hi, everyone. I’m netta, and I’m a wordaholic, freelance editor and writer. #editorchat
[20:03:37] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors hello Lloyd, thanks for coming again ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:04:01] LydiaBreakfast: @JDEbberly Welcome JD our unflaggingly cheerful cohort ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:04:13] littlebrownpen: Hi all. Nichole Robertson. Freelance writer and Copy Director for an organic skincare brand. #editorchat
[20:04:15] LydiaBreakfast: @netta50 You forgot writing diva ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:04:32] jennipps: Hi, everyone! Jen, fl writer in southern Oklahoma, contributor @TutorialBlog.org. Also write on creativity & plus-size issues. #editorchat
[20:04:33] janeco: Hi everyone, I’m Jane, a freelance edtior/writer #editorchat
[20:05:05] milehighfool: It’s so good to be back after a week off. Good to see all you regulars. #editorchat
[20:05:05] DaMaHug: @littlebrownpen Hi #editorchat
[20:05:06] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen hello Nichole, Jane and Jen …thanks for coming ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:05:26] tweditor: So excited to be joining #editorchat! #editorchat
[20:05:51] Alexandrialeigh: Hi all–writer/editor/author based in Charlotte, N.C. Slightly disgruntled this evening, so beware. ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:05:52] jennipps: @milehighfool Good to see you. Missed you last week. #editorchat
[20:05:56] JDEbberly: @milehighfool We’re really delighted that you’re back, @milehighfool !! ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:05:59] milehighfool: @DaMaHug Hi DaMaHug. Are you writing? Editing? Both? #editorchat
[20:06:04] LydiaBreakfast: @tweditor welcome – so glad you came! #editorchat
[20:06:19] LydiaBreakfast: @Alexandrialeigh Oh dear, those MBT’s got you down? ๐Ÿ˜‰ #editorchat
[20:06:24] jimmcbee: #editorchat Hi, Jim here. Medical coding writer, ex-newsman, pimping http://www.smartnewsnc.com and listening in.
[20:06:25] JDEbberly: @tweditor Welcome to editorchat! We’re happy you’ve dropped in tonight!! ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:06:29] wetzeledit: Wendy Wetzel, freelance copyeditor, working w/ Christian publishers. #editorchat
[20:06:49] authorlisalogan: I’m an acquisitions editor and happy to be part of #editorchat
[20:06:50] milehighfool: @tweditor Glad you could make it. Welcome. #editorchat
[20:06:58] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee Hi Jim, thanks for joining us this week #editorchat
[20:07:04] Alexandrialeigh: @LydiaBreakfast: Ha! Touche, Lydia. #editorchat
[20:07:16] LydiaBreakfast: @wetzeledit Hello there – thanks for coming #editorchat
[20:07:29] LydiaBreakfast: @authorlisalogan Welcome, glad you chose to join us #editorchat
[20:07:41] milehighfool: @authorlisalogan Outstanding. Thanks for joining us — seeing some new tweeters tonight. #editorchat
[20:07:51] gmarkham: #editorchat Hi, Mark Hamilton, former editor, now journo instructor. Eavesdropping to see what I can steal for my students.
[20:07:51] LydiaBreakfast: @Alexandrialeigh Just want to make you smile – or chuckle, or both! #editorchat
[20:08:20] jimmcbee: #editorchat Thanks, Lydia, my first twitter ‘event.’
[20:08:26] JDEbberly: @authorlisalogan Welcome to editorchat, Lisa! ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:08:51] JDEbberly: @jimmcbee Welcome to Editorchat, Jim! You’re going to love htis! ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:09:13] jennipps: It’s great to see everyone tonight. ๐Ÿ™‚ (Sorry for lack of individual replies. Went afk for a minute.) #editorchat
[20:09:23] milehighfool: @jimmcbee Hi Jim. What a week for you, eh? Lots going on the world of journalism. #editorchat
[20:09:25] LydiaBreakfast: If you haven’t peeked at the blog – weâโ‚ฌโ„ขre wondering if the once-distinct worlds of Web and print are merging and changing. #editorchat
[20:09:35] anndouglas: I’m a columnist for Conceive Magazine, blogger @torontostar , blogger @yahoo canada and preg/parenting author. #editorchat
[20:09:44] milehighfool: @gmarkham Hi mark. Thanks for joining. #editorchat
[20:09:47] netta50: @milehighfool Good to have you back, although Lydia and JD were outstanding hostesses. #editorchat
[20:10:08] jimmcbee: #editorchat Presume this is easier with TweetDeck; cranking up now
[20:10:12] DaMaHug: @milehighfool Connecting Czech Craft Folk with the world #editorchat
[20:10:14] Alexandrialeigh: I would say yes they are merging and changing — and will be for a while. #editorchat
[20:10:15] LydiaBreakfast: @anndouglas Hi Ann, so glad you could join us #editorchat
[20:10:28] DawnAllcot: Dawn Allcot, freelance writer in health, church tech & marketing, WAH business, preg/parenting & paintball #editorchat
[20:10:51] jennipps: @DawnAllcot Hi, Dawn!! Good to see you here. ๐Ÿ˜€ #editorchat
[20:10:58] LydiaBreakfast: @DawnAllcot Hi Dawn, thanks for coming! #editorchat
[20:11:11] milehighfool: Former Rocky writers and editors going online. Seattle P-I goes purely digital. Ebooks going crazy. What are the implications? #editorchat
[20:11:20] janeco: @LydiaBreakfast absolutely, and they are continuous works in progress #editorchat
[20:11:23] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Def merging/changing, especially according to a lot of the replies I got from a recent #HARO query. #editorchat
[20:11:23] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast There are very few publications you write for today that don’t ask for..or sometimes steal electronic rights. #editorchat
[20:11:27] JDEbberly: @DawnAllcot Welcome, Dawn! ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:11:47] collazoprojects: Julie in NYC- writer & managing editor of @MatadorNetwork, online travel mag. Fresh from @Mediabistro‘s ThinkMobile conference. #editorchat
[20:12:09] tweditor: Thanks everyone, I’m on Tweetchat but helping little brother, who is lost in Hoboken 2,000 miles away. Technology …#editorchat #editorchat
[20:12:19] littlebrownpen: With increasing pressure to cut costs, the move to digital is inevitable. #editorchat
[20:12:24] LydiaBreakfast: @collazoprojects Hey Julie #editorchat
[20:12:24] milehighfool: @collazoprojects How was the Media Bistro conference? Glad you make it tonight. #editorchat
[20:12:42] DawnAllcot: I can’t think of one publication w/o a Web presence currently. #editorchat
[20:12:43] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Thanks so much. (It may take me a while to get hang of chatting on TweetDeck!)
[20:13:02] LydiaBreakfast: @tweditor Ha, brilliant. That’s what it is for #editorchat
[20:13:16] unearthingasia: Nik Tjhin, editor for a Travel Blog Zine #editorchat its 7am and i just got up!
[20:13:30] milehighfool: RT @DawnAllcot: I can’t think of one publication w/o a Web presence currently. (Agreed.) #editorchat
[20:13:49] netta50: There’s no denying the electronic age is changing the face of publishing as we know it. What does it mean for book publishing?#editorchat
[20:13:53] BradtGuides: Job vacancy reminder: Editorial Project Manager position with Bradt Travel Guides, 1week left to apply http://is.gd/nDhe #twchat #editorchat
[20:13:57] LydiaBreakfast: @unearthingasia Hello! Thanks so much for joining so early! #editorchat
[20:14:00] JDEbberly: @unearthingasia Good morning, Asia! ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:14:02] netta50: Can you say Kindle? #editorchat
[20:14:16] JDEbberly: RT @DawnAllcot: I can’t think of one publication w/o a Web presence currently. #editorchat
[20:14:17] collazoprojects: Web & print changing? Yes. Merging? Not always. Depends on publication. Some pubs are providing distinct online content. #editorchat
[20:15:06] tweditor: Brother unlost. ๐Ÿ™‚ As to digital divide, it ceased to exist with the invention of cut and paste. #editorchat
[20:15:12] milehighfool: @netta50 Good question. I wonder if we’ll see more of what @guykawasaki did — Web release followed by print release. #editorchat
[20:15:14] Alexandrialeigh: @collazoprojects: So true! And I find sometimes it’s really hard for a pub to transition to online in a meaningful way. #editorchat
[20:15:20] DawnAllcot: #editorchat Thx for the greetings! Installing tweetdeck… ๐Ÿ™‚
[20:15:29] netta50: @collazoprojects But for how long? It’s expensive to do both. #editorchat
[20:15:49] sooutdoors: There are actually online only magazines that are now paying as much as print publications. #editorchat
[20:15:55] jimmcbee: Web has killed the value of content: words, music, video, whatever. Will be awhile before we get our sea legs. #editorchat
[20:16:08] unearthingasia: #editorchat a small tidbit, my publication started from web, and am in proposal process of going to print now.. sort of the other way arnd
[20:16:44] collazoprojects: At ThinkMobile conference, speakers were touting mobile web. Yet when I asked if they were working w/ online depts., said no. #editorchat
[20:16:55] LydiaBreakfast: @unearthingasia wow, yes it is. How does the business support a move to print? #editorchat
[20:17:10] jennipps: @sooutdoors I’d like to find a few more of them. *s* #editorchat
[20:17:12] tweditor: @jimmcbee, I hope you’re referring only to the monetary value of content. What the Web (may) have killed is the $ of expertise. #editorchat
[20:17:14] netta50: @milehighfool Exactly. I’m thinking a lot more. That brings up the subject of online marketing. The smart writer has to be savvy #editorchat
[20:17:18] milehighfool: RT @unearthingasia: a small tidbit, my publication started from web, and am in proposal process of going to print now. #editorchat
[20:17:21] unearthingasia: #editorchat one thing is q obvious tho but i wanna pt out: gd online content doesnt necessarily make good print content and vice versa
[20:17:23] sooutdoors: @unearthingasia Wow, I don’t hear that very often. #editorchat
[20:17:29] janeco: I believe there will always be people who want to hold that hard copy #editorchat
[20:17:40] LydiaBreakfast: @collazoprojects many pubs are also not expanding their web dept’s. Weird and sort of behind the 8 ball, I think. #editorchat
[20:18:00] milehighfool: @tweditor Maybe, but not always. I’m more optimistic about the Web. Maybe because that’s my medium ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:18:07] Alexandrialeigh: @unearthingasia: Agreed! Different forms of media, different forms of writing. #editorchat
[20:18:12] jennipps: @unearthingasia Very true. That’s been my experience as well. #editorchat
[20:18:15] LydiaBreakfast: So the official Q1 is: Are there different styles/ guides for Web and print? #editorchat
[20:18:33] DawnAllcot: @unearthingasia, what do you see of the benefits of going print at that point? #editorchat
[20:18:39] merylkevans: @collazoprojects Dallas Morning News doing a good job bridging its print and online news and encouraging citizen journalism. #editorchat
[20:18:41] jennipps: Agreed! RT @janeco I believe there will always be people who want to hold that hard copy #editorchat
[20:18:41] milehighfool: Isn’t it easlier to measure the success of a Web story? Clicks, actions, etc. Doesn’t that make Web content easier to value? #editorchat
[20:18:54] JDEbberly: RT @Alexandrialeigh: @unearthingasia: Agreed! Different forms of media, different forms of writing. #editorchat
[20:18:58] gmarkham: @jimmcbee Rather than killing the value, I think it’s reset the deal: defining value is now in the hands of the user. #editorchat
[20:18:58] netta50: @jimmcbeeThere‘s still stellar content, U just have to dig deeper is all. How to make it outstanding in the crowd is the problem #editorchat
[20:19:01] Alexandrialeigh: @LydiaBreakfast: Yes! Definitely. Of course. Otherwise it wouldn’t be hard for a pub to transition from one to the other. #editorchat
[20:19:05] sooutdoors: @unearthingasia I would agree. My writing style differs for online, unless it is for a true online magazine. #editorchat
[20:19:13] gmarkham: #editorchat (Apparently, I am no longer just lurking)
[20:19:18] tweditor: @milehighfool I’m optimistic too, but hoping @jimmcbee means $$$. I think the content is better than ever. #editorchat
[20:19:24] jimmcbee: Yes, the monetary value. Everything’s infinitely replicable. Same thing that took wind out of records’ sales. #editorchat (bad pun, sorry)
[20:19:25] DawnAllcot: @LydiaBreakfast, There *should* be. LOL #editorchat
[20:19:32] Alexandrialeigh: @milehighfool: Clicks don’t necessarily equal reads. I click on things a lot, scan for a second, and then close without reading. #editorchat
[20:19:32] merylkevans: Q1: There are different style guides everywhere; not just print v web. It mainly depends on the organization. Consistency is key #editorchat
[20:19:33] anndouglas: @netta50 Excellent point. I’ve been researching high-end online portolios/writers after reading an article on this topic. #editorchat
[20:19:36] jennipps: Q1 – A point brought up often in interviews I’ve had w/others lately is for web, more graphics & links to engage the reader more #editorchat
[20:19:45] janeco: @sooutdoors how does your style differ? #editorchat
[20:19:47] milehighfool: RT @netta50: That brings up the subject of online marketing. The smart writer has to be savvy (Bingo) #editorchat
[20:19:50] MudslideMama: @lydiabreakfast #editorchat Of course; print can be more poesy, without worrying about keyword phrases. But online can be more to the point.
[20:19:51] gmarkham: @jimmcbee what hasn’t been figured out is how that translates into money for the storytelling. #editorchat
[20:19:58] collazoprojects: Re. Q1: Generally speaking, style for web v. print = shorter. #editorchat
[20:19:59] jennipps: Q1 – Whereas with print, the consensus seems to be, that’s not quite as necessary. Not sure I agree, but… #editorchat
[20:20:06] DawnAllcot: RT @sooutdoors My writing style differs for online, unless it is for a true online magazine. #editorchat (So true)
[20:20:09] tweditor: @merylkevans I’m curious, how so? I’m in DFW and the Dallas Morning News is laying off just like every other paper. #editorchat
[20:20:16] netta50: RT @janeco: I believe there will always be people who want to hold that hard copy #editorchat Agreed.
[20:20:43] Alexandrialeigh: Saying there’s no difference between online and print styles is like saying newswriting is the same as magazine or book writing. #editorchat
[20:20:44] merylkevans: @tweditor Actually, DMN is hiring in its neighborsgo / online department. #editorchat
[20:21:03] jimmcbee: Yes, the monetary value. Everything’s infinitely replicable. Same thing that took wind out of records’ sales. #editorchat
[20:21:03] netta50: RT @jimmcbee Rather than killing the value, I think it’s reset the deal: defining value is now in the hands of the user. #editorchat
[20:21:17] collazoprojects: One challenge for print pubs is that they’re not always coordinating web/print/journo depts. #editorchat
[20:21:19] jennipps: Agree. Seems they want 1/2 the length. RT @collazoprojects Re. Q1: Generally speaking, style for web v. print = shorter. #editorchat
[20:21:19] milehighfool: @merylkevans But are the differences due to medium or the otganization? We don’t use pure AP style at the Fool, for example. #editorchat
[20:21:29] JDEbberly: RT @jimmcbee: Yes, the monetary value. Everything’s infinitely replicable. Same thing that took wind out of records’ sales. #editorchat
[20:21:32] unearthingasia: @LydiaBreakfast we r still planning it, etc but having it online first ensures we at least hv some decent content to go to print #editorchat
[20:21:38] anndouglas: @collazoprojects Unless you’ve been writing front-of-the-book items/mags. Very similar. #editorchat
[20:21:53] Alexandrialeigh: @milehighfool: I would say both medium and organization. #editorchat
[20:21:54] tweditor: @netta50 Terrific point. But I think the days of demanding $$$ for text passed us. Radiohead was ahead of the curve. #editorchat
[20:22:06] sooutdoors: @janeco I think the main difference would be the word count. I think online needs to be more concise or people won’t read. #editorchat
[20:22:14] milehighfool: RT @anndouglas: @collazoprojects Unless you’ve been writing front-of-the-book items/mags. Very similar. #editorchat
[20:22:18] unearthingasia: @DawnAllcot mainly its easier to sell to publication to advertisers, and it feeds each other. sm of my web content goes to print #editorchat
[20:22:25] LydiaBreakfast: Q1-a. So what do you see as the specific differences between online and print writing? #editorchat
[20:22:45] merylkevans: @milehighfool Both. It’s too obvious to say that online and print have different styles and rules. That’s a given. #editorchat
[20:22:54] JaySlacks: @tweditor Completely agree. #editorchat
[20:23:02] milehighfool: @sooutdoors Very true. I’m conditioned to write features in 600 or fewer words now. Online has changed my writing. #editorchat
[20:23:07] jimmcbee: key to internet is interactivity. That’s where the value is. Your article/photo/etc. is just the starting place. #editorchat
[20:23:10] janeco: @sooutdoors Agree totally. I have one editor that kept demanding longer profiles #editorchat
[20:23:16] netta50: @tweditor Maybe. It’s still in flux and I think it will be for a long time. The change is huge. #editorchat
[20:23:27] Alexandrialeigh: @LydiaBreakfast: Format, length, strict v. loose rules of grammar, plus depends on the publication, whether web or print. #editorchat
[20:23:36] jennipps: Q1-a – More graphics, more URLs, fewer sidebars online from what I’ve seen so far. The links tend to act as the sidebar. #editorchat
[20:23:53] merylkevans: Q1a: Short paragraphs, one idea per paragraph, bold headers for scanning, bullets, whitespace. Length is an endless argument. #editorchat
[20:23:54] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Shoter prose, blaring headlines. Most often, I think, online borrows from fashion magazines. (5 things to …) #editorchat
[20:23:55] littlebrownpen: Metoo RT: @milehighfool @sooutdoors Very true. I’m conditioned to write features in 600 or fewer words now. #editorchat
[20:24:04] tweditor: @sooutdoors, With the exception of New Yorker-style articles, both Web and print benefit from "refrigerator magnet" journalism. #editorchat
[20:24:04] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast Short, sweet, and to the point is the hallmark of online writing. You have to catch the reader quick. #editorchat
[20:24:30] janeco: @sooutdoors he didnt want to listen to me about keeping it shorter #editorchat
[20:24:32] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast Lively, punchy writing style; copy chunks; bullets; interactivity. #editorchat
[20:24:33] unearthingasia: @LydiaBreakfast online = graphic, video, shorter, more interaction, and sometime optimize for keywords as well #editorchat
[20:24:50] milehighfool: @merylkevans Agreed. So where do you see the most common divergence? In style? Or substance? #editorchat
[20:25:20] jennipps: @unearthingasia Optimizing for keywords is *definitely* something I’ve had to learn for web writing. #editorchat
[20:25:23] anndouglas: @milehighfool Great point. All those number headlines! Plus secrets, confessions…. #editorchat
[20:25:27] LydiaBreakfast: Q1-B: With links becoming necessary (and replacement sidebars) who is responsible for compiling them? Who checks that they work? #editorchat
[20:25:36] netta50: RT @jimmcbee: key to internet is interactivity. That’s where the value is. Your article/photo/etc. is just the starting place. #editorchat
[20:25:39] MudslideMama: @tweditor #editorchat Sadly, I’d wager that one more diff is, there’s more content theft online. Tracking those baddies down = full time job
[20:25:51] janeco: RT netta50 @LydiaBreakfast Short, sweet, and to the point is the hallmark of online writing. You have to catch the reader quick. #editorchat
[20:25:59] jimmcbee: with http://www.smartnewsnc.com (shameless plug), we’ll sell by the item, not by word count. #editorchat
[20:26:03] Alexandrialeigh: @LydiaBreakfast: In my experience, it’s the writer’s responsibility. Sometimes they’re checked, sometimes not. #editorchat
[20:26:04] unearthingasia: #editorchat where as in print, feature content can go as long as 6 to 8 pages or more?
[20:26:06] milehighfool: I think writing for the Web makes you a better print writer. You already know how to communicate more with less. #editorchat
[20:26:29] unearthingasia: @jennipps ๐Ÿ™‚ it’s something i’m *still* learning.. ha~! #editorchat
[20:26:36] velvet_trope: Hi everyone, I’m Regina, full-time all digital writer/editor/blogger #editorchat
[20:26:39] jennipps: Q1-B – So far in the ones that go with articles I’ve subbed, I’ve had to compile them and make sure they work before sending. #editorchat
[20:26:39] milehighfool: RT @MudslideMama: @tweditor Sadly, I’d wager that one more diff is, there’s more content theft online. #editorchat
[20:26:46] Alexandrialeigh: @milehighfool: Agreed. And Twitter is a great tool for learning to write concisely! #editorchat
[20:26:50] netta50: @MudslideMama Exactly right. It’s too easy to steal. C&P, and who has time to keep up with the theives? #editorchat
[20:26:54] merylkevans: @milehighfool I believe the most common divergence in print v online is style. Agree web writing makes you better print writer. #editorchat
[20:26:56] jennipps: @unearthingasia Heh. Definitely that, too. #editorchat
[20:26:58] tweditor: @MudslideMama, we’re back to what I was saying before about cut and paste. Highly underrated as the reason for it all. ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:27:05] janeco: @LydiaBreakfast Should be the writer’s responsibility #editorchat
[20:27:10] unearthingasia: @LydiaBreakfast more work for the editor! #editorchat
[20:27:14] anndouglas: @MudslideMama As a trademark owner, I would add trademark theft. NOT COOL! #editorchat
[20:27:16] JDEbberly: @velvet_trope Welcome to Editorchat, Regina ๐Ÿ™‚ We’re happy you joined us! #editorchat
[20:27:17] jennipps: RT @Alexandrialeigh @milehighfool: Agreed. And Twitter is a great tool for learning to write concisely! (*definitely*) #editorchat
[20:27:20] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast As a writer I check links but I really think the editor needs to do a double check. "due diligence" #editorchat
[20:27:34] littlebrownpen: RT @milehighfool think writing for the Web makes you a better print writer. You already know how to communicate more with less. #editorchat
[20:27:36] Single_Shot: Late to the party and here just for a few. Diane Mapes, freelance journalist, former humor columnist Seattle P-I (RIP) #editorchat
[20:27:44] netta50: RT @Alexandrialeigh: @milehighfool: Agreed. And Twitter is a great tool for learning to write concisely! #editorchat So is flash fiction ๐Ÿ™‚
[20:27:55] tweditor: @anndouglas Don’t get me started about trademarks! We’ll be here all night! #editorchat
[20:27:57] konadad: @Alexandrialeigh Hear! Hear! #editorchat
[20:28:00] jimmcbee: Audience will still drive style. Chunky text good in print as well as Net. But maybe not for New Yorker readers. #editorchat
[20:28:09] LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot Helllllooo Ms. Diane, glad you came #editorchat
[20:28:11] milehighfool: Curious if editors treat the content differently. Do you apporach a Web story with a different expectations? #editorchat
[20:28:17] JDEbberly: @milehighfool: Agreed. And Twitter is a great tool for learning to write concisely! (*definitely*) #editorchat
[20:28:22] MudslideMama: @netta50 I waver between trying to shrug off content theft, and blinding rage. ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:28:28] DawnAllcot: RT @Andrealeigh And Twitter is a great tool for learning to write concisely! #editorchat
[20:28:31] BeckyDMBR: Hey! Late again. Freelance journalist in Iow-ay. #editorchat
[20:28:34] jennipps: Re: communicating more with less: An on spec article I’ve been working on reqs 1,200 words minimum. Wow! Used to 500-600. #editorchat
[20:28:42] unearthingasia: @MudslideMama very true, and sad, but some local n regional print publications can get scot free w that mind u.. its possible #editorchat
[20:28:49] janeco: @Single_Shot Terrible about the paper #editorchat
[20:29:02] jennipps: @BeckyDMBR Hi, Becky. Better late than never. ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:29:10] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Hi there *waves* #editorchat
[20:29:11] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks Lydia! Furiously trying to catch up w/the conversation. #editorchat
[20:29:14] netta50: @MudslideMama Hear that. I’m down with blinding rage ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:29:20] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR Hi Becky. Glad you could make it. #editorchat
[20:29:22] tweditor: @milehighfool Expectations such as …? My gut says no, although you’ve got to know the intended audience to edit for sense. #editorchat
[20:29:38] foleymo: When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" #editorchat
[20:30:10] JDEbberly: @BeckyDMBR Glad you can join us Becky! #editorchat
[20:30:11] sooutdoors: RT @foleymo: When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" #editorchat
[20:30:11] BeckyDMBR: @gmarkham You can steal it as long as you link back! ๐Ÿ˜‰ #editorchat
[20:30:18] Alexandrialeigh: @foleymo: Love that! Hilarious. #editorchat
[20:30:29] jennipps: Good idea! RT @foleymo When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" #editorchat
[20:30:30] tweditor: @foleymo Brilliant! Twitter is excellent exercise for an editor’s mind. #editorchat
[20:30:39] anndouglas: @jimmcbee Very true. #editorchat
[20:30:41] JaySlacks: @foleymo Is it wrong that I think that’s horrible? #editorchat
[20:30:45] LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot Q1-B: With links becoming necessary for web writing, who is responsible for compiling them? #editorchat
[20:30:53] netta50: @foleymo That’s a fabulous question. #editorchat
[20:30:54] janeco: GRT foleymo When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" #editorchat -7:29 PM Mar 18th #editorchat
[20:30:54] gmarkham: @BeckyDMBR always. the link is the new currency:-) #editorchat
[20:30:55] merylkevans: RT @foleymo When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" Best advice today! #editorchat
[20:30:56] JDEbberly: RT @foleymo: When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" #editorchat
[20:31:22] jimmcbee: unless Net changes drastically, copyright’s going to be swept away. We’ll just have to deal. #editorchat
[20:31:25] Single_Shot: @janeco Thanx Janeco. Yes, very sad about my beloved P-I (even as a freelancer, I loved it dearly). And all my editors, buds, et #editorchat
[20:31:30] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Me. For every one of my articles. #editorchat
[20:31:34] Bridge2Science: r/t @JDEbberly @foleymo: When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" #editorchat
[20:31:43] unearthingasia: #editorchat about content-theft.. i’m kind of a pessimist we cant win tt war. there are so many publications its just not poss to tract all
[20:31:53] Single_Shot: @foleymo Interesting strategy! #editorchat
[20:31:54] milehighfool: RT @merylkevans: RT @foleymo When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" #editorchat
[20:31:55] foleymo: @netta50 It’s not an end in itself. It’s an exercise to get the reporter to think about the most important parts of the story. #editorchat
[20:31:56] jennipps: @jimmcbee I doubt it will get to that extreme. #editorchat
[20:32:09] LydiaBreakfast: @milehighfool Me too. As Lloyd said, I do due diligence. #editorchat
[20:32:12] netta50: As a writer, I check my own links. As an editor, I check the links. It’s part of both jobs #editorchat
[20:32:26] milehighfool: RT @tweditor: Expectations such as …? My gut says no, although you’ve got to know the intended audience to edit for sense. #editorchat
[20:32:29] Alexandrialeigh: @foleymo: Also a great way to get people to do a little self-editing. #editorchat
[20:32:35] jennipps: RT @netta50 As a writer, I check my own links. As an editor, I check the links. It’s part of both jobs #editorchat
[20:32:38] LydiaBreakfast: @foleymo How do you do inverted pyramid in 140 characters or less? #editorchat
[20:32:46] anndouglas: BYE, BYE WRITER’S BLOCK RT @foleymo When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" #editorchat
[20:32:59] netta50: @foleymo I totally agree. It’s a different angle to an ordinary story. #editorchat
[20:33:08] BeckyDMBR: @janeco Intensely local print mag just started last year. Surprised me. *In this economy?!?* Key = local? #editorchat
[20:33:24] janeco: @Single_Shot Interesting how attached we become; happened 2 me many yrs ago; u feel a certain loss of identity, but u re-gain it #editorchat
[20:33:29] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast I do most of the link compiling for my online stuff (& check to make sure they work B4 they go in). #editorchat
[20:33:31] unearthingasia: @LydiaBreakfast again, I’d say the editor, he shld knw which keywords etc they want to optimize for… or the SEO guy perhaps? #editorchat
[20:33:33] foleymo: @LydiaBreakfast The first 140 characters is just the top of the inverted pyramid. #editorchat
[20:33:47] anndouglas: @merylkevans Didn’t have room to acknowledge your RT on the RT. Next time! #editorchat
[20:33:51] BeckyDMBR: @janeco I will always want hard copy, but I’m one of those old newsies. #editorchat
[20:33:54] Cottagegirl: RT @foleymo: When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" #editorchat
[20:34:06] JDEbberly: Woops, I forgot to inform my followers that I’ll be tweeting more than usual tonight during Editorchat from 7pm to 830pm CST #editorchat
[20:34:06] jennipps: Hold on…have to reboot. Back in a few. #editorchat
[20:34:21] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast Good one re inverted pyramid! #editorchat
[20:34:24] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR I see too many writers and editors talking about local. Do I need to know what’s happening on the next block? #editorchat
[20:34:26] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Count, maybe? Value? Not so sure. #editorchat
[20:34:32] DougLance: #editorchat Where is the conversation on the digital divide? #editorchat
[20:34:43] LydiaBreakfast: @foleymo Right, I meant to add the wink ๐Ÿ˜‰ #editorchat
[20:34:48] debbieharry: Me too RT @Single_Shot: I do most of the link compiling for my online stuff (& check to make sure they work B4 they go in). #editorchat
[20:34:51] janeco: @BeckyDMBR local just might be the answer and finding your niche audiencee #editorchat
[20:34:53] rsylvester: @jimmcbee It took wind out of record sales but didnt kill music. Could argue web opened market to more artists #editorchat
[20:34:55] jimmcbee: @BeckyDMBR Intensely local print is what we did at Bluffton Today. Now faltering, though. Readers loved; advertisers, meh. #editorchat
[20:35:14] LydiaBreakfast: @DougLance we’re having it now, jump in any time #editorchat
[20:35:16] unearthingasia: @BeckyDMBR its a niche.. its all the rage in places w cheap printing.. there is a free publication for my church! #editorchat
[20:35:19] sooutdoors: @BeckyDMBR I will always want hard copy myself..but I don’t think my kids will ever subscribe to print. #editorchat
[20:35:26] JDEbberly: RT @janeco: @BeckyDMBR local just might be the answer and finding your niche audiencee #editorchat
[20:35:32] Single_Shot: @janeco My wallet particularly feels that sense of loss. ; ) I’m just powering through. I have lots of gigs, luckily, not just 1 #editorchat
[20:35:34] anndouglas: @BeckyDMBR It seems to be a huge trend. Why not media, too? #editorchat
[20:35:46] JaySlacks: @milehighfool You might not need to, but someone else might. Does the internet address those without internet access? #editorchat
[20:35:54] bob_bobala: Having technical difficulties. Tim, let me know if you see this post. #editorchat
[20:35:57] JDEbberly: @DougLance Welcome to Editorchat! ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:36:03] netta50: @rsylvester Good point. #editorchat
[20:36:05] Alexandrialeigh: @jimmcbee: Is this a symptom of a bigger problem? What advertisers want is completely different from what readers want? #editorchat
[20:36:10] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Right. Immediately? That’s what Twitter’s good for. Who does in-depth coverage? #editorchat
[20:36:22] LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot the key to successful freelance writing is in diversifying your gigs #editorchat
[20:36:26] AlbrightDC: Excellent: RT When a reporter has problems thinking of a lede, I ask them, "How would you tweet it?" #editorchat
[20:36:38] jimmcbee: @rsylvester Well, the bands (like writers?) mostly didnt make much money anyway. Just the middlemen and big names hurt. #editorchat
[20:36:38] milehighfool: @bob_bobala There you are, Bob. My first Foolish editor. Welcome, sir. #editorchat
[20:36:42] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala Hi Bob- we see you! #editorchat
[20:36:58] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot the key to successful freelance writing is in diversifying your gigs #editorchat
[20:37:00] BeckyDMBR: @netta50 Speaking of local, isn’t that what’s behind the NYT’s online/blog effort? (I haven’t had a chance to look yet.) #editorchat
[20:37:04] netta50: @JaySlacks It won’t be long before everyone has internet access. We’ll all have chips in our head. #editorchat
[20:37:13] janeco: @milehighfool That’s taking it a bit to the extreme but u do want to connect with local community #editorchat
[20:37:17] DougLance: @LydiaBreakfast I’m here but no one is talking about it. Has anyone successfully crossed the digital divide? #editorchat
[20:37:29] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s move on to Q2: Has the Web hurt publishing because errors are easier to correct? #editorchat
[20:37:30] BeckyDMBR: @gmarkham ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:37:32] palafo: Mostly just eavesdropping on #editorchat tonight: Patrick LaForge, a NYT editor on metro desk & @cityroom blog.
[20:37:57] BeckyDMBR: @Alexandrialeigh Exactly. And how to measure how many people actually read? What about forwards, etc.? #editorchat
[20:38:04] milehighfool: Re: the digital divide. Here, I think it’s about how writers and editors are making the transition. #editorchat
[20:38:10] LydiaBreakfast: @palafo Howdy sir, you are off bedtime story duty tonight? #editorchat
[20:38:14] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast Yep to diversifying. I’ve been like a beserker lately, throwing pitches right and left at new markets, editors. #editorchat
[20:38:25] Alexandrialeigh: @LydiaBreakfast: Web has hurt print? Probably. But not sure it’s because errors are easier to correct online. #editorchat
[20:38:40] collazoprojects: Errors may be easier to correct online, but also lots easier to make. This makes editors’ jobs all more important *&demanding. #editorchat
[20:38:44] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Re: the digital divide. Here, I think it’s about how writers and editors are making the transition. #editorchat
[20:38:50] JaySlacks: @netta50 Really? How long? What about those older folks who prefer the internet access that might not want it? #editorchat
[20:38:54] milehighfool: @palafo Hey Patrick.Good of you to stop in. #editorchat
[20:38:55] littlebrownpen: @Single_Shot me too. Can’t sit back and work with those few trusted clients. Things are too shaky. #editorchat
[20:39:01] debbieharry: @Single_Shot Is the beserker thing working for you? I’m curious! #editorchat
[20:39:06] foleymo: Q2: Errors are also more tolerated online. #editorchat
[20:39:07] netta50: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot the key to successful freelance writing is in diversifying your gigs #editorchat AMEN
[20:39:11] palafo: The Tweet=lede idea was brilliant; trouble is, not many of our reporters use Twitter. #editorchat
[20:39:12] Single_Shot: @netta50 I’ve got chips in my mouth. But that probably doesn’t count, right? #editorchat
[20:39:27] littlebrownpen: @collazoprojects exactly. At least two of the last few pieces I wrote had errors edited IN by the editors. #editorchat
[20:39:39] janeco: @collazoprojects just today had to alert online editor of a typo in my story #editorchat
[20:39:42] mmmbutters: Howdy, folks. Web editor for the Calgary Herald…just listening in…for now! #editorchat
[20:39:42] merylkevans: Q2: Web has hurt print, but not because of errors. Instead, because of more options, internet access anywhere, and free. #editorchat
[20:39:44] collazoprojects: @BeckyDMBR: As someone at ThinkMobile conference said today, "Eyeballs don’t necessarily equal dollars." #editorchat
[20:39:52] netta50: @BeckyDMBR It is, but is it too little too late, or will the name carry them forward? #editorchat
[20:39:58] milehighfool: @janeco Yes. I’ve written about a co. using algorithms to deliver hyperlocal news. #editorchat
[20:40:04] netta50: @Single_Shot It does for me. MMM. ๐Ÿ˜‰ #editorchat
[20:40:08] foleymo: @palafo That is a problem. Reporters need to be on Twitter and need to be expert users of RSS feeds in general. #editorchat
[20:40:12] TMFZahrim: (hey Tim!) My life is online, citizen of Cyberspace. What happene nextdoors today surprises me tomorrow #editorchat
[20:40:17] LydiaBreakfast: RT @collazoprojects Errors may be easier to correct online, but also lots easier to make. This makes editors’ jobs more impt. #editorchat
[20:40:24] tweditor: @littlebrownpen, love your name. What kinds of errors did these editors introduce? #editorchat
[20:40:24] milehighfool: @TMFZahrim You and me both, Anders. Welcome to the forum. #editorchat
[20:40:27] palafo: @LydiaBreakfast Error correction, writing, should be no standards differences online, except for Web-specific issues (links etc) #editorchat
[20:40:30] JDEbberly: RT @foleymo: @palafo That is a problem. Reporters need to be on Twitter and need to be expert users of RSS feeds in general. #editorchat
[20:40:31] sooutdoors: RT @collazoprojects: Errors may be easier to correct online, but also lots easier to make. Makes editors’ job more important #editorchat
[20:40:34] jaymes: @mmmbutters well welcome to twitter ๐Ÿ˜‰ #editorchat
[20:40:35] janeco: @palafo It’s time that they do, more and more news media are using it #editorchat
[20:40:36] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Earlier on, I noticed print "borrowing" from blogs. Using blog lingo, for example, w/out explanation. #editorchat
[20:40:42] LydiaBreakfast: @mmmbutters Awesome, thanks for joining! #editorchat
[20:40:45] jimmcbee: After this, no more plugs, I promise. Diversify here: http://smartnewsnc.com #editorchat
[20:40:54] DawnAllcot: @LydiaBreakfast: the key to successful freelance writing is in diversifying your gigs #editorchat Absolutely
[20:40:55] netta50: @JaySlacks Who knows how long? Some older folks are more internet savvy than you think. Baby boomers ain’t dumb. #editorchat
[20:41:07] milehighfool: @palafo Same with the Fool, though that is changing. #editorchat
[20:41:08] JDEbberly: @TMFZahrim Welcome to Editor chat! ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:41:30] Single_Shot: @littlebrownpen I know. Also trying to slip in a bit of copywriting/teaching to help support my dirty journalism habit. #editorchat
[20:41:40] collazoprojects: Writers seem to think b/c it’s easier to correct that they don’t need to check own work. #editorchat
[20:41:52] velvet_trope: Also, someone said hi but it went by too fast…so hello back! #editorchat
[20:41:59] palafo: @foleymo I’m not sure it’s a problem…yet. We’re still in early adopter-land here, even with Social Media explosion. #editorchat
[20:42:14] collazoprojects: Can’t tell you # of writers who want changes after publication (inc. photos they’ve sent!) #editorchat
[20:42:19] tweditor: Re: style, why can’t we standardize (somewhat) introductions when directing readers to a URL? Go to? Visit? See? Click? Others? #editorchat
[20:42:20] BeckyDMBR: @netta50 Good question. #editorchat
[20:42:22] Indiedoc: Just became aware of #editorchat, a Wednesday night forum for editors and writers.
[20:42:37] debbieharry: @collazoprojects Not sure I agree with that one–that just sounds like pure laziness. #editorchat
[20:42:40] LydiaBreakfast: Here’s Q2 again if you missed it Has the Web hurt publishing because errors are easier to correct? #editorchat
[20:42:42] littlebrownpen: @Single_Shot Copywriting is still where the $$$ is. Great way to hedge. #editorchat
[20:42:44] Single_Shot: @littlebrownpen Editors inserting errors? I’m starting to hyperventilate. #editorchat
[20:42:55] LydiaBreakfast: @Indiedoc welcome, jump in any time #editorchat
[20:42:59] JDEbberly: @Indiedoc Welcome to Editorchat, Indie! You’re welcome to join us! ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:43:02] foleymo: @palafo I agree, it’s not a problem, but wouldn’t you rather be at the start of something? I know your readers would want you to #editorchat
[20:43:26] velvet_trope: As far as quick error correction = digidivide, I think it really depends on type of pub #editorchat
[20:43:34] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot Welcome. Sorry. [uncomfortable silence] How ya doin’? #editorchat
[20:43:38] wetzeledit: @Single_Shot As a copyeditor I must forward the error-introduction blame to the proofreaders. ๐Ÿ˜‰ #editorchat
[20:43:39] DougLance: @littlebrownpen I detest copywriting. Quality content is the best way. #editorchat
[20:43:45] jimmcbee: How does that hurt publishing, @LydiaBreakfast? Seems like it’d help. #editorchat
[20:43:47] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast They’re easier to make, too. Too quick to hit the "enter" key. #editorchat
[20:44:02] Single_Shot: @velvet_trope I’ll say hi then! #editorchat
[20:44:05] collazoprojects: @debbieharry It IS laziness, and that’s the problem. #editorchat
[20:44:16] bob_bobala: @littlebrownpen or software. #editorchat
[20:44:25] journalistics: @foleymo I say use the tools that work best for you. Twitter may be great for some journos, a #2 pencil for others. #editorchat
[20:44:26] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee Not an opinion sir, just a question. #editorchat
[20:44:28] littlebrownpen: @DougLance I agree. But it can support the writer’s lifestyle. #editorchat
[20:44:30] sooutdoors: @collazoprojects I think the issue may be that there are fewer "professional" writers. Many really don’t understand their job. #editorchat
[20:44:40] Single_Shot: @BeckyDMBR I’m fine! Busy — CRAZY busy! #editorchat
[20:44:49] palafo: @tweditor Just embed link in text; in articles, we add a "tip" that shows up when moused over. #editorchat
[20:44:49] debbieharry: @collazoprojects So do you use those writers again? I try to make sure my work is pristine, that my editors can rely on me. #editorchat
[20:45:01] velvet_trope: @Single_Shot Hi there! #editorchat
[20:45:07] LydiaBreakfast: @journalistics I use both – still addicted to my ticonderoga pencils #editorchat
[20:45:13] artistatlarge: I publish editorial mistakes that I swear were not there before I hit ‘publish’. I correct them as soon as I find them. #editorchat
[20:45:16] milehighfool: @jimmcbee Doesn’t it make for sloppier writing? Once it’s in print, it’s in print. Not so on the Web. #editorchat
[20:45:17] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot I hope that’s GOOD busy? #editorchat
[20:45:20] bob_bobala: @sooutdoors So is that a good thing or bad — that everybody’s a writer? #editorchat
[20:45:23] konadad: @sooutdoors True. Errors are easier to make (and correct) online, but writers can’t be lazy. #editorchat
[20:45:23] anndouglas: @collazoprojects I find what works best is when writer/editor share control of site – my arrangement @torontostar #editorchat
[20:45:36] DougLance: @littlebrownpen I’m in this game to help you guys, the world, not myself. I understand where you’re coming from, yah gotta eat! #editorchat
[20:45:46] Single_Shot: @wetzeledit Well done! Actually, journalism *is* a team effort. Plenty of credit — and blame — to pass around 4 everything. #editorchat
[20:45:48] littlebrownpen: @sooutdoors Or at least people who don’t view writing as a craft/art to be practiced or mastered. More about ego for many. #editorchat
[20:45:51] netta50: I need to leave early tonight, but thanks so much for the lively chat! See you next week #editorchat
[20:45:54] jimmcbee: @LydiaBreakfast Just not sure I understand the context. Bring on the corrections, I say. That’s part of interactivity. #editorchat
[20:45:57] artistatlarge: But I also work alone – both writing and editing – and sometimes can’t see straight. #editorchat
[20:46:00] tweditor: @palafo Are the URLs on their own line/own paragraph, without an introduction of any sort? Like, wow. #editorchat
[20:46:00] gmarkham: @sooutdoors Is the lack in "rpo" writers or in editors who have the time to edit closely? #editorchat
[20:46:02] LydiaBreakfast: @tvamy join us for #editorchat if you can – love to have you ๐Ÿ™‚
[20:46:05] AlbrightDC: @LydiaBreakfast Q2: Information on the web is more reliable- Self correcting, up to date, verifiable, permanent. #editorchat
[20:46:05] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast I can barely write with a pen anymore. All has to be on a laptop. I can’t even take notes without it. #editorchat
[20:46:07] jennipps: Made it back. Sorry for having to leave. #editorchat
[20:46:13] kathysena: #editorchat Hi all – I already know many here. I freelance for mags, newspapers, Web & cover parenting, women’s, health, consumer issues.
[20:46:16] foleymo: @journalistics It’s about conversing with audience, not getting the work done. If you can chat using No. 2 pencil, go for it. #editorchat
[20:46:20] sooutdoors: @artistatlarge Ha, certainly been there and done that ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:46:25] milehighfool: @netta50 Thanks for chatting, netta. See you next week. #editorchat
[20:46:26] unearthingasia: @sooutdoors the web has made it easier to get into this writing/editing gig, etc… kind of the same thing in design #editorchat
[20:46:32] BeckyDMBR: @foleymo I keep waiting for that to change and for demand for copy editors online to rise. Will that happen? #editorchat
[20:46:38] JDEbberly: @netta50 Nice to have you tonight! Have a great week, netta!! ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:46:44] LydiaBreakfast: @kathysena Hey Kathy, welcome #editorchat
[20:46:59] AlbrightDC: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot the key to successful freelance writing is in diversifying your gigs #editorchat
[20:46:59] unearthingasia: first everybody is a designer, and now RT @bob_bobala: @sooutdoors So is that a good thing or bad — that everybody’s a writer? #editorchat
[20:47:04] Single_Shot: @debbieharry I’ve confessed to more than one editor that I’m that kid who’s always trying to get an A. #editorchat
[20:47:14] milehighfool: RT @foleymo: @journalistics It’s about conversing with audience … If you can chat using No. 2 pencil, go for it. #editorchat
[20:47:20] OurManinSH: @collazoprojects many pubs are also not expanding their web dept’s. Weird and sort of behind the 8 ball, I think. #editorchat
[20:47:32] gmarkham: "rpo" = "pro". I need an editor. #editorchat
[20:47:34] sooutdoors: @unearthingasia Absolutely, it’s just one more thing we have to get used to. But the cream will still rise to the top. #editorchat
[20:47:35] Single_Shot: @BeckyDMBR Absolutely. I have like 8 assignments. All due next week or something insane like that. But I’m good. #editorchat
[20:47:40] OurManinSH: rt: @collazoprojects many pubs are also not expanding their web dept’s. Weird and sort of behind the 8 ball, I think. #editorchat
[20:47:40] collazoprojects: @anndouglas Can you say more about what you mean by control of site in terms of logistics? #editorchat
[20:47:43] anndouglas: RT @journalistics It’s about conversing with audience, not getting the work done. If you can chat using No. 2 pencil, go for it. #editorchat
[20:48:02] foleymo: @BeckyDMBR I doubt it. In the online world of "authentic voice" copy editors are often seen as roadblocks, not helpers. #editorchat
[20:48:10] debbieharry: @Single_Shot And do they like that, or call you a brownnoser & stuff you in a locker? #editorchat
[20:48:17] jennipps: I can’t scroll back far enough in Tweetchat to see the current question. Can someone RT, please? #editorchat
[20:48:18] bob_bobala: @unearthingasia It’s true. I work with designers here at Intuit and we have to have sympathy sessions with each other. #editorchat
[20:48:20] tweditor: @bob_bobala In college I wrote papers in a different handwriting – the effort I had to make helped with clarity and focus. #editorchat
[20:48:21] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot Good to hear! #editorchat
[20:48:32] collazoprojects: @debbieharry Absolutely not. I weed out & it’s one reason to move to a model of regular contributors almost exclusively. #editorchat
[20:48:38] palafo: @AlbrightDC There’s plenty of bad info on Web that is never corrected. Or conflicting info. #editorchat
[20:48:44] jimmcbee: Very pleased to meet/follow so many writers and editors, btw. Thanks, #editorchat
[20:48:58] debbieharry: @foleymo That’s a really upsetting notion. Copyeditors as roadblocks, ugh. #editorchat
[20:49:18] milehighfool: RT @palafo: @AlbrightDC There’s plenty of bad info on Web that is never corrected. Or conflicting info. #editorchat
[20:49:22] palafo: @tweditor More so on our blogs. Articles still sometimes list links in sidebar. We’re working to change that. And add more. #editorchat
[20:49:23] konadad: @Single_Shot As an editor, I only want to assign stories to "A" writers. "B+" don’t cut it. #editorchat
[20:49:27] debbieharry: @collazoprojects So I guess my goal is to become a regular contributor ๐Ÿ˜‰ #editorchat
[20:49:30] kathysena: @sooutdoors #editorchat I have a J-school degree and have been in the biz since the 80s. Now suddenly "everybody" can be a journalist. Hmm.
[20:49:35] bob_bobala: @tweditor I think that’s a little bit wacky, tweditor! But I can understand how it’d work. ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:49:46] TMFZahrim: @foleymo As a writer, editing can hurt — but it’s the only way to improve my wrting. No feedback sucks. #editorchat
[20:49:46] unearthingasia: @OurManinSH its just rare to find a pub that do both online n print well. Eg: my fave travel mag DestinAsian has a bad bad web #editorchat
[20:49:56] foleymo: @debbieharry Yeah, I know. Unfortunately, I think many reporters have felt that way about the copy desk for years. #editorchat
[20:50:01] milehighfool: @palafo Or properly sourced. A big challenge when news breaks. Who do you trust? #editorchat
[20:50:07] kathysena: RT Yep. What a great way to find terrific folks to follow. @jimmcbee: Very pleased to meet/follow so many writers and editors. #editorchat
[20:50:18] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Just because it’s online doesn’t mean you can get it corrected … if you don’t own/control the site. #editorchat
[20:50:29] kathysena: RT Thanks. My first time here! Every Wednesday? @LydiaBreakfast: @kathysena Hey Kathy, welcome #editorchat
[20:50:40] foleymo: @TMFZahrim I totally agree. #editorchat
[20:50:41] Single_Shot: @debbieharry No one’s tried to stuff me in a locker yet … but editors are tricky. ; ) #editorchat
[20:50:44] LydiaBreakfast: So while we are talking about editors and writers, Q3 is: Do editors expect less from Web articles? #editorchat
[20:51:11] sooutdoors: @TMFZahrim One rule I always write by: Writing is editing. #editorchat
[20:51:13] Single_Shot: @konadad We should get along just fine then. ; ) #editorchat
[20:51:18] JDEbberly: @kathysena Welcome, Kathy! ๐Ÿ™‚ Editorchat is every Wed 7-830pm CST 8p-930pm EST #editorchat
[20:51:20] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR True. But I’ve made some spectacular goofs writing for the Fool and we can correct those in-story. #editorchat
[20:51:26] foleymo: @TMFZahrim In the online world, your audience can give you feedback and help you improve your writing. That’s the point. #editorchat
[20:51:28] kathysena: @Single_Shot Working with a really talented editor is a joy, though, don’t you think? We help each other. #editorchat
[20:51:35] debbieharry: @foleymo I’m a writer, not a copyeditor, but isn’t a good copyeditor’s goal to make sure you’re saying what you mean to say? #editorchat
[20:51:54] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q3 is: Do editors expect less from Web articles? #editorchat
[20:52:09] jennipps: RT @sooutdoors @TMFZahrim One rule I always write by: Writing is editing. #editorchat
[20:52:16] bob_bobala: @unearthingasia Can’t you use online to drive to print? Example: I started ExitStrateygPress.com for free fiction to books. #editorchat
[20:52:24] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast In my experience I have found the expectations just as high, but they seem to think they shouldn’t pay as much. #editorchat
[20:52:24] anndouglas: @BeckyDMBR And once it’s online, it can go viral. You can correct @ source, but damage is done. #editorchat
[20:52:25] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast Q3: not my editors. If anything, they’re expecting me to fit more into less space. #editorchat
[20:52:26] jimmcbee: @kathysena thanks to youtube, every wanker with a Strat can be a rockstar, too. Eventually, we separate wheat/chaff #editorchat
[20:52:27] kathysena: @LydiaBreakfast Q3 I don’t know if eds expect less w/ web, but they are on a tighter deadline, so less edit by committee #editorchat
[20:52:34] LydiaBreakfast: @bacigalupe if your tweets are protected they do not show up on #editorchat, you have to make them public by changing the settings
[20:52:37] palafo: @debbieharry Copy editors need to adjust to "deadline every minute." They are trained for the perfect onetime press run. #editorchat
[20:52:37] JDEbberly: RT @TMFZahrim One rule I always write by: Writing is editing. #editorchat
[20:52:43] rsylvester: @jimmcbee Yes but now they dont need a major label to build an audience. Same with journos. Distribution will change. #editorchat
[20:52:46] foleymo: Q3: Less should be expected of Web articles. Their purpose is different. Print=inform via monologue; Web=discuss via dialogue. #editorchat
[20:53:14] milehighfool: @foleymo Agreed. And your point re: community is a good one. Engaging convresation = more readers. #editorchat
[20:53:14] collazoprojects: @bacigalupe Exactly. Got error-ridden submit from a writer w/ big rep; she was angry when I asked her to revise. Ego issues? #editorchat
[20:53:21] TMFZahrim: @foleymo yeah they can, but only the haters ever seem to do to it. Hafta figure out what’s "good" for myself. #editorchat
[20:53:22] kathysena: RT Great! Thanks much for sked. @JDEbberly: @kathysena Welcome, Kathy! ๐Ÿ™‚ Editorchat is every Wed 7-830pm CST 8p-930pm EST #editorchat
[20:53:22] BeckyDMBR: @anndouglas Exactly. #editorchat
[20:53:31] debbieharry: @palafo True. My background’s in book publishing, where it’s a much longer process. #editorchat
[20:53:53] jennipps: @foleymo I disagree about less being expected. Even w/dif purpose, it still has to be accurate, researched, current – like print #editorchat
[20:54:18] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @foleymo Agreed. And your point re: community is a good one. Engaging convresation = more readers. #editorchat
[20:54:21] collazoprojects: Q3: I don’t expect any less. In fact, there’s a whole other set of competencies needed by web authors, so I expect more. #editorchat
[20:54:23] bob_bobala: @milehighfool I think it depends. At Motley Fool, we used to do analysis that I had high expectations for. Lighter pieces too #editorchat
[20:54:31] milehighfool: @foleymo Their purpose is different but should we really expect less? Shouldn’t good writing bridge the divide? #editorchat
[20:54:31] Single_Shot: @kathysena Absolutely a joy to work with good editors. Good copy editors, too. I’ve been really fortunate-had very few stinkers #editorchat
[20:54:37] unearthingasia: @bob_bobala yes you can! but i just see a lot of pubs that does one well doesnt do the other well.. not yet perhaps #editorchat
[20:54:37] konadad: @TMFZahrim Editing can only help. As first readers, editors must point out weaknesses to make your piece better. #editorchat
[20:54:39] foleymo: @TMFZahrim My suggestion is to build relationship with all your readers, so the good ones can come to your rescue against haters #editorchat
[20:54:49] jimmcbee: @rsylvester musicians can at least sing for their supper. Not sure how journos, et al. replicate that revenue stream. #editorchat
[20:55:03] TMFZahrim: @foleymo Maybe it’s cause my main site got Comment tech only a few months ago… #editorchat
[20:55:07] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast Standards set by editor. One of the toughest editors I ever worked with was at WebMD. #editorchat
[20:55:16] foleymo: @jennipps I couldn’t agree more. But editors don’t expect that in a nice 12-inch package anymore. #editorchat
[20:55:38] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast Some expect more, especially once you tie in keywords, cross-linking ops and community aspects #editorchat
[20:55:39] AlbrightDC: RT @foleymo My suggestion is to build relationship with all your readers so the good ones can come to your rescue against haters #editorchat
[20:55:49] Single_Shot: @debbieharry My copy editor at the PI made a great catch on my last column. Spared me much embarrassment w/an unintended funny. #editorchat
[20:55:50] TMFZahrim: @jimmcbee So you’re good if you can sing AND write ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:55:51] sooutdoors: RT @foleymo: Less should be expected of Web articles. Their purp is diff. Print=inform via monologue; Web=discuss via dialogue. #editorchat
[20:55:56] LydiaBreakfast: @anndouglas I can imagine WebMD would have to be hyper-picky with content #editorchat
[20:55:58] milehighfool: @bob_bobala And I think we still do. (Though we miss your touch, of course.) #editorchat
[20:56:03] jennipps: @foleymo Sadly, you’re probably right. I try to deliver that, though. #editorchat
[20:56:19] foleymo: @milehighfool Good conversation is making good writing less necessary. If they don’t "get" you, just keep talking. #editorchat
[20:56:20] bacigalupe: @LydiaBreakfast may be not editors but writers think they may be able to get away without doing enough work or sloppy grammar, #editorchat
[20:56:21] BeckyDMBR: Aaaaaand my TweetDeck breaks again. WHY does it always do this during a chat? #editorchat
[20:56:26] debbieharry: @Single_Shot I hope you gave him/her a big fat kiss! Or a bottle of scotch. #editorchat
[20:56:33] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Well, I miss you guys too. ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:56:40] tweditor: I do not expect less from Web articles. I focus only on the audience. #editorchat
[20:56:56] kathysena: RT Yes! @jimmcbee: thanks to youtube, every wanker with a Strat can be a rockstar, too. Eventually, we separate wheat/chaff #editorchat
[20:57:05] merylkevans: Q3: I couldn’t figure out how to say it then @anndouglas did for me. "Standards set by editor." #editorchat
[20:57:10] rsylvester: @gmarkham: I need an editor, too. Don’t leave home without one. #editorchat
[20:57:11] DougLance: It depends totally on the publication. A pdf from a renowned author is different than the new york times and uncle bobs blog #editorchat
[20:57:12] JaySlacks: @kathysena Welcome. Its a great convo so far. #editorchat
[20:57:13] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast They were, to their credit. Fact-check to the max. #editorchat
[20:57:13] JDEbberly: RT @foleymo: @milehighfool Good conversation is making good writing less necessary. If they don’t "get" you, just keep talking. #editorchat
[20:57:17] milehighfool: @foleymo Disagree. On the Web especially, I think good writing creates good conversation. #editorchat
[20:57:27] Single_Shot: @foleymo Web articles for whom, tho — MSNBC.com or RampagingHamster.com? #editorchat
[20:57:31] unearthingasia: RT @foleymo: Less should be expected of Web articles. Their purp is diff. Print=inform via monologue; Web=discuss via dialogue. #editorchat
[20:57:40] kathysena: Some of the most intelligent chat I’ve seen on Twitter is going on at #editorchat
[20:57:49] foleymo: @milehighfool That can also be the case. #editorchat
[20:57:56] velvet_trope: Q3: when I have my editor hat on, I have high expectations of web content; writing hat expectations double. #editorchat
[20:57:59] anndouglas: @foleymo I regularly ask my readers how I’m doing (good, bad, ugly). They tell me! #editorchat
[20:58:02] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool I think we should always expect good writing. #editorchat
[20:58:05] tweditor: I edited a medical imaging white paper today that will only be available as a PDF. It could appear in a journal – no diff. #editorchat
[20:58:16] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Can I write for RampagingHamster.com? ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:58:56] sooutdoors: @milehighfool I have to skip out early. Thanks for a lively well moderated discussion. Till next week. @lydiabreakfast #editorchat
[20:58:56] kathysena: RT Good point. Different expectations. @Single_Shot: @foleymo Web articles for whom, tho — MSNBC.com or RampagingHamster.com? #editorchat
[20:58:58] milehighfool: RT @velvet_trope: Q3: when I have my editor hat on, I have high expectations of web content; writing hat expectations double. #editorchat
[20:58:58] foleymo: @Single_Shot For everyone. MSNBC.com isn’t online just to be a bulletin board to post on. It’s there for interaction/discourse. #editorchat
[20:59:06] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR especially now, I think we should only offer the best writing we can possibly do, no excuses for time, resources, etc #editorchat
[20:59:17] bob_bobala: How many people are writer/editors — the dual skill set? Or do you masquerade as that but really prefer one or the other? #editorchat
[20:59:32] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Thanks as always for joining ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:59:54] anndouglas: @milehighfool Is Hamster the H in HARO? ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:59:56] collazoprojects: @bob_bobala: I’m a writer & editor. #editorchat
[20:59:57] JDEbberly: @sooutdoors Really enjoyed your input! ๐Ÿ™‚ Looking forward to seeing you next week! ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[20:59:59] velvet_trope: Blurg…you’d think I could keep up w/ #editorchat since I work solely in online content…not keeping up….
[20:59:59] Single_Shot: @debbieharry A simple email thank you. Have only met a handful of the people who handle my copy face to face. Sad freelance fact #editorchat
[21:00:04] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala I do both. #editorchat
[21:00:10] AlbrightDC: RT @milehighfool On the Web. I think good writing creates good conversation. #editorchat (Good convo requires good communications skills)
[21:00:22] foleymo: Comments/Twitter etc. place power back in the hands of the reader in the way letters to the editor don’t anymore. #editorchat
[21:00:28] milehighfool: RT @bob_bobala: How many people are writer/editors — the dual skill set? #editorchat
[21:00:36] TMFZahrim: @bob_bobala Really just a writer, sneaking into this editor chat. Oops ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:00:38] tweditor: I also edited some colorful copy about Dating Divas and Mojo Maidens. The key is readability and intended audience, not format. #editorchat
[21:00:40] QuickenPRChels: @bob_bobala I’m both! #editorchat
[21:00:42] janeco: @bob_bobala I do both and enjoy them equally #editorchat
[21:00:44] jimmcbee: My title is ‘editor’ but I mainly write, nowadays. Newsletter world is a little off kilter. #editorchat
[21:01:04] TrendUpdates: #editorchat. Last seen: never. http://bit.ly/11zM2U
[21:01:08] milehighfool: @bob_bobala We’re forunate to have brilliant editors at the Fool but I carefully edit my stuff before submitting. #editorchat
[21:01:14] jennipps: @TMFZahrim It’s for both. ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:01:15] unearthingasia: @bob_bobala same here, both #editorchat
[21:01:17] anndouglas: @bob_bobala I would never pretend to be an editor – although my editors tell me copy is very clean. #editorchat
[21:01:19] bacigalupe: @LydiaBreakfast Q2: it may hurt ability to write without worrying a lot about being outdated or thinking too much about audience #editorchat
[21:01:26] littlebrownpen: Just a writer. Though I keep my great editors close. Essential imo. #editorchat
[21:01:36] konadad: @bob_bobala To be a good editor requires both skill sets. Same for writers. #editorchat
[21:01:36] Single_Shot: @milehighfool Back off – the hamster platform’s mine! ; ) #editorchat
[21:01:47] jimmcbee: Have always believed good writing IS good editing, though. We all need editors, starting with selves. #editorchat
[21:01:49] wordful: I think the world of blogging needs more editorial awareness #editorchat
[21:01:50] tweet_trends: #editorchat: [twitter] http://tinyurl.com/atoprh [twitterfall] http://twitterfall.com/%23editorchat
[21:01:56] milehighfool: RT @foleymo: Comments/Twitter etc. place power back in the hands of the reader in the way letters to the editor don’t anymore. #editorchat
[21:02:04] Single_Shot: @foleymo Not for delivering the news? #editorchat
[21:02:04] jennipps: @TMFZahrim Specifically, "for editors and those who work with them" — writers. ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:02:11] debbieharry: RT @konadad: To be a good editor requires both skill sets. Same for writers. #editorchat
[21:02:11] foleymo: #EditorChat is showing up on TwitScoop! Wooooohooooo! #editorchat
[21:02:14] JaySlacks: Give me a shout out. Who writes novels, news articles or whatever. #editorchat
[21:02:16] bob_bobala: @QuickenPRChels What are you doing here?! #editorchat
[21:02:18] IrisJumbe: Hi, all. Jumping right in: Q3 I think lower expcttions r because there’s such a low barrier of entry 2 submitting content online #editorchat
[21:02:19] tweditor: I’ll write only if I can take a whimsical, conversational tone. Or send me "source material" and fool me into rewriting. ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:02:25] DougLance: @bob_bobala the two are intertwined beyond recognition. I prefer to write however #editorchat
[21:02:26] TMFZahrim: Re Web Conversation: If I ended articles "What do you think?" few readers would know where the comments box was. #editorchat
[21:02:47] palafo: @unearthingasia We expect both to be of same quality in writing & reporting; Web-first tends to be breaking news, "developing." #editor
[21:02:50] TMFZahrim: @jennipps Phew! ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:02:51] anndouglas: @QuickenPRChels Do you find you have to switch mindsets to switch tasks? #editorchat
[21:03:04] rsylvester: @jimmcbee But the content will still be valuable. Youre right that no one has yet figured out how to pay for quality content #editorchat
[21:03:04] twazzup: New Trend : #editorchat [twitter search] http://minurl.org/cp4
[21:03:18] foleymo: @Single_Shot People expect more than just "news delivery" now. They want to have conversations around it in real time with you. #editorchat
[21:03:41] BeckyDMBR: @IrisJumbe And/or low (or no) pay? #editorchat
[21:03:43] konadad: @bob_bobala Above all, editors and writers need to be good readers. Can’t forget about our audience. #editorchat
[21:03:46] kathysena: Once saw final-but-unedited copy by guy who had been pub. for yrs in mags. Full of errors. Had editors been bailing him out? #editorchat
[21:03:49] wordful: A lot of the professional bloggers tell you that good writing is not necessary –people just want information. I don’t buy it. #editorchat
[21:04:04] Single_Shot: @anndouglas @milehighfool Hamster’s the new black! #editorchat
[21:04:26] tweditor: @jimmcbee I couldn’t agree more with you (this time!). Even the best editors are not infallible. The more eyes, the better. #editorchat
[21:04:42] bob_bobala: @Single_Shot Agreed! #editorchat
[21:04:44] milehighfool: @foleymo More than most, BusinessWeek seems to be plugging into this trend. Does conversation produce profit? #editorchat
[21:04:47] LydiaBreakfast: @kathysena I think there are plenty of those "professionals" around, editors doing all the heavy lifting for them. #editorchat
[21:05:08] LydiaBreakfast: @wordful Neither do I. #editorchat
[21:05:11] anndouglas: @wordful Do you mean in terms of basic principles of journalism (fact-checking, etc.)? #editorchat
[21:05:13] TMFZahrim: @Single_Shot Or is hamster the new badger? http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ #editorchat
[21:05:20] collazoprojects: Never understood writers who say "I can’t spell" or "My grammar’s bad." Writing isn’t just putting words together. #editorchat
[21:05:24] IrisJumbe: @wordful I’m with you. It’s untrue. People expect both – content and quality. otherwise their will get their info-fix elsewhere #editorchat
[21:05:24] milehighfool: @wordful I don’t either. Blogging is writing without a net — no editor to bail you out. #editorchat
[21:05:30] kathysena: So are folks who are willing to write for 5 cents/word going to win out in this economy? Or will professional writing prevail? #editorchat
[21:05:43] foleymo: @milehighfool I’m not sure about profit, but transparency produces trust. Not sure if trust produces profit. #editorchat
[21:05:44] tweditor: @wordful That makes me nauseous. As long as poor grammar and spelling irritates, we’re needed. #editorchat
[21:05:59] AmySueNathan: I can’t believe I’m late again. Got swept up hearing about Natasha Richardson. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ #editorchat
[21:06:00] collazoprojects: I refuse to be a "heavy lifting" editor. #editorchat
[21:06:07] kathysena: @LydiaBreakfast Why are writers like that given assignments more than once? #editorchat
[21:06:10] LydiaBreakfast: Good segue to next Q: Does the Web spell the end of good narrative because of the very short attention spans of online readers? #editorchat
[21:06:12] gmarkham: good writing AND editing are going to become more important to cut through the cruft. #editorchat
[21:06:28] debbieharry: @kathysena You’ve dared to ask the big question! #editorchat
[21:06:32] jennipps: @kathysena I want to say I think professional writing will prevail, but I’m afraid that’s actually more of a hope. #editorchat
[21:06:35] AlbrightDC: @milehighfool I’m constantly editing my blog entries long after they’ve been posted. #editorchat
[21:06:48] velvet_trope: Also on Q3 (I can hear the groans now): I do think since novelty of web is wearing off, there are higher expect. of content #editorchat
[21:06:55] LydiaBreakfast: @debbieharry @kathysena – we’re getting there #editorchat
[21:06:57] kathysena: RT Good. There are enough pros around that you should have to "lift." @collazoprojects: I refuse to be a "heavy lifting" editor. #
[21:07:01] milehighfool: RT @gmarkham: good writing AND editing are going to become more important to cut through the cruft. #editorchat
[21:07:04] JDEbberly: @AmySueNathan Welcome Back, Amy! ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:07:13] Single_Shot: @foleymo It is interesting to have a forum 2 discuss the news process (like a reporter’s blog). Is that what u mean? #editorchat
[21:07:36] AmySueNathan: @LydiaBreakfast I think there will always be readers of long-form journalism and writing. I must believe that. #editorchat
[21:07:38] palafo: @kathysena Skill sets vary. Not every great documents reporter is a great writing stylist. #editorchat
[21:08:06] Single_Shot: @TMFZahrim Okay, THAT was scary. #editorchat
[21:08:23] tweditor: @LydiaBreakfast @AmySueNathan I agree. I’ve enjoyed many loooonnnggg articles online. #editorchat
[21:08:26] JaySlacks: @milehighfool Completely agree with that. #editorchat
[21:08:37] AmySueNathan: With the internet, blogs, ezines etc…everyone who writes thinks he’s a writer. It takes longer to find what’s real. #editorchat
[21:08:40] janeco: @LydiaBreakfast Could be, online = news/facts fast, that’s why I still believe there’s a strng need for newspapers #editorchat
[21:08:41] kathysena: @palafo Good point. And some people can tell a great story but can’t spell. #editorchat
[21:08:42] anndouglas: @kathysena Inquiring writers want to know…. #editorchat
[21:08:47] Single_Shot: @kathysena Please say professional writing! #editorchat
[21:08:48] konadad: @kathysena Agreed. I’m not a big fan of heavy lifting. Not my job. #editorchat
[21:08:48] milehighfool: @kathysena Right. Writers who create work for editors don’t write for food money. #editorchat
[21:09:01] bweikle: @kathysena Sadly, I think every mag and paper has a star columnist/writer who has a rep and contacts but bad writing. #editorchat
[21:09:14] JWKirsch: If Web and the "new media" is taking over print, then why not strive to meet the same accuracy standards? #editorchat
[21:09:15] AlbrightDC: I think there is always a market for long form writing but now you need a pitch or hook to find your audience. #editorchat
[21:09:20] foleymo: @Single_Shot That would be cool. Or a live stream of the 3 o’clock meeting. ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:09:21] collazoprojects: I don’t buy "web readers have short attention spans". It’s a generalization & ignores lots of other factors (inc. presentation). #editor
[21:09:25] IrisJumbe: @BeckyDMBR "low" pay = very subjective. Editors have 2 sift thru a lot to separate online wheat from online chaff #editorchat
[21:09:43] JaySlacks: @bweikle I know plenty of those. Especially when I was a columnist. #editorchat
[21:09:45] velvet_trope: Q3 cont’d: As content expectations have risen, I see more and more dead sites/falling on the wayside b/c of poor content #editorchat
[21:09:45] bob_bobala: @bweikle That’s true. A lot of work behind the scenes! #editorchat
[21:09:50] LydiaBreakfast: We’ve dealt with the issue of fair pay before, and continue to do so here. #editorchat
[21:10:01] kathysena: RT Not sure what you mean here. Did I mis-speak? It’s possible! ๐Ÿ™‚ @Single_Shot: @kathysena Please say professional writing! #editorchat
[21:10:22] anndouglas: @IrisJumbe Websites that rely on free content get what they pay for. #editorchat
[21:10:30] IrisJumbe: @collazoprojects Do you accept that web readers are more likely to skim/scan than they are to read each word? #editorchat
[21:10:30] gmarkham: Tonight;s routine: Read All Friends tweets, clear column; read #editorchat tweets, clear column; repeat instantly
[21:10:34] Single_Shot: @janeco There’s a special place in heaven for people who still believe in newspapers. #editorchat
[21:10:39] milehighfool: @JWKirsch I’m not sure that it is. Even with more content going digital I think print is where narrative comes alive. #editorchat
[21:10:39] janeco: @tweditor I dont have the patience to read long articles online, I print them out #editorchat
[21:10:42] LydiaBreakfast: Speaking of solid professionals – Q5 What qualities do editors look for when hiring a writer for online content? #editorchat
[21:10:44] tweditor: @collazoprojects Excellent point about presentation. Think of how quickly we’ve moved from seizure-inducing MySpace pages. #editorchat
[21:10:49] littlebrownpen: @IrisJumbe I agree. It also makes it hard for editors to find good writers. Too much noise in the inbox. #editorchat
[21:10:53] palafo: @LydiaBreakfast More tools for narrative — photos, video, audio, multimedia. Better text presentation and design badly needed. #editorchat
[21:10:55] foleymo: Have a chat room going during the live stream of the 3 o’clock meeting. Ask readers directly what they want to see in paper. #editorchat
[21:11:06] IrisJumbe: @anndouglas Agreed, Ann. #editorchat
[21:11:09] Single_Shot: @foleymo A live stream of an editorial meeting? Eeek! #editorchat
[21:11:15] LydiaBreakfast: @gmarkham glad we hooked you in ๐Ÿ˜‰ #editorchat
[21:11:31] chrisharrop: Plug my old boss’ new paper, Victoria Advocate, videocasts their daily editorial meetings with chat interactivity. #editorchat
[21:11:38] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q5 What qualities do editors look for when hiring a writer for online content? #editorchat
[21:11:44] gmarkham: @IrisJumbe yes, they skim, until something compelling stops them. — words, images, video, sound. #editorchat
[21:11:46] anndouglas: @kathysena Book editor complimented me for being independent writer (author who can write). #editorchat
[21:11:50] tweditor: @foleymo So you’re crowdsourcing newspaper content? #editorchat
[21:12:04] foleymo: @Single_Shot I know, but people are getting to the point where they actually want to see how the sausage is made. #editorchat
[21:12:11] kathysena: @bweikle Yes, at a newspaper I worked for, we had a writer who really could paint a picture. But the copy desk went nuts! #editorchat
[21:12:16] IrisJumbe: RT @Lydiabreakfast Q5 What qualities do editors look for when hiring a writer for online content? #editorchat
[21:12:17] Single_Shot: @milehighfool Nicely put, Mile High! They’re "I’m just doing this for fun" writers. #editorchat
[21:12:31] anndouglas: @Single_Shot Trend duly noted. Will recommend to others. #editorchat
[21:12:31] gmarkham: @LydiaBreakfast it’s a great chat: one of the best #editorchat
[21:12:34] jimmcbee: rt @foleymo Have a chat room going during the live stream of the 3 o’clock meeting. Ask readers what they want to see in paper. #editorchat
[21:12:44] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Speed. #editorchat
[21:12:45] Single_Shot: @foleymo All right, who invited the sausage to the 3 p.m. editorial meeting? ; ) #editorchat
[21:12:47] milehighfool: @tweditor Re: crowdsourcing, it’s already happening. Hearst hiring Helium to fill some content in CT newspapers. #editorchat
[21:13:00] rsylvester: @gmarkham And ethics & professionalism will standout from the noise #editorchat
[21:13:39] gmarkham: @rsylvester indeed. #editorchat
[21:13:44] lowrentmagazine: #editorchat If only half of all the halfies of the world read literary journals and only half of them bought ours~how nice that would be.
[21:13:44] wordful: Is there an easy way to keep up with this chat? Seems very difficult on Twitter. #editorchat
[21:13:47] kathysena: @anndouglas Interesting. So that editor was THAT used to authors who weren’t really writers. Sad. #editorchat
[21:13:48] stephauteri: is jumping in for the last 20 minutes. #editorchat
[21:13:56] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast My editors ALWAYS talk about hiring freelancers who KNOW THE PRODUCT, who read the product, who pay attention. #editorchat
[21:14:05] anndouglas: @collazoprojects But they have platform. Platform trumps punctuation. #editorchat
[21:14:15] tweditor: @wordful try tweetchat.com #editorchat
[21:14:21] jennipps: I need to go try to figure out a tech problem. I’ll check out the rest of the chat via the transcript. #editorchat
[21:14:25] TMFZahrim: @wordful Using http://tweetgrid.com, works pretty well #editorchat
[21:14:28] littlebrownpen: @wordful I like tweetchat.com – so easy to follow #editorchat
[21:14:34] paradisekitten: @wordful http://tweetchat.com/ #editorchat
[21:14:35] IrisJumbe: @gmarkham Agreed. Was challenging: "web readers don’t ncssarily have short attntion spans". One has to write like they do. #editorchat
[21:14:39] anndouglas: @milehighfool And with some of the contracts media orgs ask bloggers to sign, you want that net. #editorchat
[21:14:47] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot I second the Eeeek! #editorchat
[21:14:50] AlbrightDC: RT @wordful: Is there an easy way to keep up with this chat? Seems very difficult on Twitter. #editorchat
[21:14:50] milehighfool: @jennipps Take care, Jen. #editorchat
[21:14:58] IrisJumbe: RT @littlebrownpen @wordful I like tweetchat.com – so easy to follow #editorchat
[21:14:59] Single_Shot: @milehighfool Helium. Hearst. Grrrrrrrr. #editorchat
[21:15:08] JDEbberly: @stephauteri Jump right in, steph! This is one of the BEST editorchats EVER!! #editorchat
[21:15:12] foleymo: @Single_Shot People will be more engaged readers if you give them a way to participate in the decisions. #editorchat
[21:15:12] LydiaBreakfast: @AlbrightDC use tweetchat #editorchat
[21:15:14] debbieharry: @anndouglas Having been on the other side of this (book mktg), "platform" informs my every move as a writer. Sadly. #editorchat
[21:15:15] bweikle: @kathysena Please, please don’t write for 5 cents a word, anybody. I shouldn’t be saying that as a web editor with small budget. #editorchat
[21:15:37] anndouglas: @kathysena Someone suggested at a chat the other night that pay-for-placement was solution to media $ woes. #editorchat
[21:15:49] travelinggal: Good evening everyone #editorchat
[21:15:49] Single_Shot: @wordful Try Tweetchat.com. Log in with user name and password, then give editorchat as the chat you want to join. #editorchat
[21:15:53] kathysena: @AlbrightDC I’m following conversation here by using TweetDeck with a search column for the hashtag. Works great. #editorchat
[21:15:58] stephauteri: @JDEbberly: I had a feeling it would be. ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:16:09] foleymo: @AlbrightDC Use http://tweetchat.com or http://tweetgrid.com to keep up with the conversation here. #editorchat
[21:16:09] konadad: @Single_Shot Agreed. The worst pitches are from writers who clearly haven’t done their research about the publication. #editorchat
[21:16:11] bacigalupe: @collazoprojects the readership may have expanded a lot too, there are more writer/readers (prosumers concept) #editorchat
[21:16:17] LydiaBreakfast: @bweikle If we writers take pay like that we will become the piece-workers of the knowlege economy. NOT good. For anyone. #editorchat
[21:16:44] bob_bobala: @Single_Shot Hiring subject matter experts is good, but I’ll hire a great writer who can learn over almost everybody else. #editorchat
[21:16:49] TMFZahrim: @wordful Or, wait ’til tomorrow and search Twitter for #editorchat ๐Ÿ™‚ Less interactive of course.
[21:16:51] milehighfool: @Single_Shot But it’s happening. It’s the "anyone can be a writer" problem. helium is capitalizing. #editorchat
[21:17:05] JaySlacks: @ryssiebee You should get into this convo. Do you have tweetchat? Check out #editorchat. Writers talking about writer ish.
[21:17:07] jimmcbee: When Bluffton Today printed chatter from its Web site, readers loved it. It’s now a staple. #editorchat
[21:17:10] littlebrownpen: RT: @LydiaBreakfast @bweikle If we writers take pay like that we will become the piece-workers of the knowlege economy. #editorchat
[21:17:10] wordful: Much better here on tweetchat! #editorchat #editorchat
[21:17:15] milehighfool: I believe anyone *can* be a writer, but not without a crapload of practice. #editorchat
[21:17:23] kathysena: @bweikle Agreed. I’m an ASJA member, and we’re always encouraging members to not undersell themselves. #editorchat
[21:17:44] foleymo: This blog post lays out the times were in: "Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable": http://bit.ly/XLD0 #editorchat
[21:17:47] Single_Shot: @foleymo Interesting idea. My inner attention whore is now at war with my inner control freak. #editorchat
[21:18:04] JaySlacks: @milehighfool That’s the problem with the internet. There are too many cooks, not enough pots and the food quality is suffering #editorchat
[21:18:10] stephauteri: @milehighfool: I agree. A lot of writing today seems to be all narrative without any of the research, or polished writing. #editorchat
[21:18:11] velvet_trope: Oh…much better on tweetchat.com! Still fast & furious, but better. #editorchat # editorchat
[21:18:14] kathysena: @bweikle Now reprints? For smaller regional pubs? I’m willing to work with small budgets for 1-time reprint rights. #editorchat
[21:18:14] JDEbberly: RT @Single_Shot: @foleymo Interesting idea. My inner attention whore is now at war with my inner control freak. #editorchat
[21:18:20] anndouglas: @debbieharry I could break into 10,000 tweets, but I won’t. ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:18:28] trendsy: #editorchat: #editorchat is now a trending topic on Twitter.
[21:18:29] TMFZahrim: @milehighfool Agreed. Used to feel guilty for taking $$$ for writing. But so few care to do the hard work. #editorchat
[21:18:37] rsylvester: Heck out @bydanielvictor. His readers are his assignment editors in PA They tell him what to cover through his blog. #editorchat
[21:18:38] jimmcbee: Wow, tweetchat DOES rule. Just like an old IRC chat. #editorchat
[21:18:40] IrisJumbe: @LydiaBreakfast I support the principle. Tough to consider "greater good" knowing that if u don’t do it, some1 else will :/ #editorchat
[21:18:43] bob_bobala: @milehighfool You’re just going to have to keep getting better at your craft! So you can rise above the other million "writers." #editorchat
[21:18:45] travelinggal: Unfortunately there are people, who consider themselves "writers", who will write for .05/word. Anything to get published. #editorchat
[21:18:46] foleymo: @Single_Shot The revolution is afoot. The readers have found the way to get the power back and they’re coming to take it. #editorchat
[21:18:48] JaySlacks: @stephauteri Does internet blogs and turnovers give us time to research? #editorchat
[21:18:57] tweditor: I think there’s value in expertise, but editors will receive better drafts if they give great direction and background info. #editorchat
[21:19:02] anndouglas: @bweikle And if ever there was a writer-friendly editor, it is this editor. <—— #editorchat
[21:19:13] milehighfool: @JaySlacks And too many are are the stove without having ever cracked a cookbook. #editorchat
[21:19:18] travelinggal: I’ll work with a small budget regarding reprints. #editorchat
[21:19:21] wordful: Nice to be surrounded by people who really, truly care about standards of written content! #editorchat
[21:19:25] Single_Shot: @konadad Or even surfed around the website. I study potential markets like a crazed stalker. And it usually pays off. #editorchat
[21:19:26] JDEbberly: RT @Single_Shot The revolution is afoot. The readers have found the way to get the power back and they’re coming to take it. #editorchat
[21:19:28] JaySlacks: @jimmcbee Yeah, I’m impressed with it as well. #editorchat
[21:19:31] LydiaBreakfast: Q5 What qualities do editors look for when hiring a writer for online content? Looking at writer’s blogs? (via @girlgumption) #editorchat
[21:19:36] anndouglas: That arrow was supposed to point to @bweikle! #editorchat
[21:19:45] stephauteri: @JaySlacks: It definitely makes it more difficult, but I feel that content is suffering for it. #editorchat
[21:19:59] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool Just like those who will prey on prospective actors, musicians and artists. Capitalizing on their dream. #editorchat
[21:20:01] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Right. Now I remember why I miss you editing my stuff. Thanks, Professor Positive ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:20:05] SlushPiler: #editorchat is a new top trend. Follow it on twitterfall at http://twitterfall.com/#editorchat.
[21:20:06] travelinggal: @Single_Shot so do I! #editorchat
[21:20:16] nytwriters: palafo: @kathysena Skill sets vary. Not every great documents reporter is a great writing stylist. #editorchat: .. http://tinyurl.com/ddl2w9
[21:20:36] littlebrownpen: I’ve been hired more than a few times because of my blog, which is quite funny considering it’s mostly photos these days. #editorchat
[21:20:37] JaySlacks: @stephauteri I completely agree with you. Print gives us the time and drive to get it right. Internet writing has its problems. #editorchat
[21:20:42] debbieharry: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q5 What qualities do editors look for when hiring a writer for online content? Looking at writer’s blogs? #editorchat
[21:20:43] stephauteri: @JaySlacks: I think one can easily tell the difference b/w a piece that was pulled out of thin air… #editorchat
[21:20:45] konadad: @JaySlacks I big fan of slow cooking. #editorchat
[21:20:51] rsylvester: Check out @bydanielvictor. His readers are his assignment editors in PA They tell him what to cover through his blog. #editorchat
[21:21:00] Single_Shot: @milehighfool But don’t you think the "anyone can be a writer" phase is going to pass soon — like a bad case of diarrhea? #editorchat
[21:21:02] gmarkham: @LydiaBreakfast a point I make to my students: everything you do online has the potential of being your "portfolio" #editorchat
[21:21:06] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Pfffft! I don’t believe that any more than I believe "Anyone can be a teacher." #editorchat
[21:21:07] stephauteri: @JaySlacks:…and a piece that someone took the time to carefully craft and prepare. #editorchat
[21:21:09] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Personality. A unique pespective. Lack of self-indulgence. #editorchat
[21:21:12] leximaven: @collazoprojects Plz don’t generalize. Not all writers are lazy. Some actually DO check their own work. #editorchat
[21:21:17] taoswriter: @milehighfool Agree, & stringing pretty sentences together is the least of it. Delivering a researched story, whole other thing #editorchat
[21:21:31] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Qualify "writer" and "teacher" with "good." #editorchat
[21:21:39] stephauteri: @JaySlacks: I do love the blogging, though, for its interactive qualities. #editorchat
[21:21:43] emanbruin: following #editorchat
[21:21:44] travelinggal: @Single_Shot I don’t know. People do think writing is easy, esp. those who’ve never done it. #editorchat
[21:21:47] milehighfool: @TMFZahrim Precisely. The real digital divide = misperception that Web writing somehow requires less legwork #editorchat
[21:21:47] JaySlacks: @BeckyDMBR I teach english, and believe me that is not even close to true. #editorchat
[21:21:52] LydiaBreakfast: RT @gmarkham a point I make to my students: everything you do online has the potential of being your "portfolio" #editorchat
[21:21:58] TMFZahrim: @BeckyDMBR Anyone CAN be a teacher. It’s just that most of ’em would suck. #editorchat
[21:22:01] debbieharry: @littlebrownpen Me, too. Blogging helped me make the transition from COPYwriter to writer. #editorchat
[21:22:08] JWKirsch: @milehighfool #editorchat Don’t understand why writing content suffers online when the same research and thoughtful writing can be done.
[21:22:09] bob_bobala: @Single_Shot That might be wishful thinking, but I’ll be standing with you to hand out the Pepto-Bismol! #editorchat
[21:22:17] collazoprojects: No, not generalizing, esp. since I’m a writer, too. But as an ed, I see plenty of writers AREN’T checking– & that’s a problem. #editorchat
[21:22:23] bacigalupe: @LydiaBreakfast in academic peer context this dynamic go on but the financial piece causes publishers to worry and not writers #editorchat
[21:22:42] littlebrownpen: @debbieharry same with me. It’s nice not to spin all day everyday. #editorchat
[21:22:42] Single_Shot: @foleymo Readers are in revolt? Hmmm. #editorchat
[21:22:48] stephauteri: RT @travelinggal: People do think writing is easy, esp. those who’ve never done it. (Amen to that!) #editorchat
[21:22:58] janeco: RT gmarkham @LydiaBreakfast a point I make to my students: everything you do online has the potential of being your "portfolio" #editorchat
[21:23:07] gipson: Too tired to join #editorchat ;( if u’re a writer/blogger/pr you should def partake in tonight’s chat. Go to tweetchat.com, room: editorchat
[21:23:09] anndouglas: @Single_Shot Maybe they’ll all become urban gardeners (new trend). #editorchat
[21:23:21] debbieharry: @littlebrownpen amen to that, sister #editorchat
[21:23:22] bob_bobala: @travelinggal My dad used to tell me "Writers are all a dime a dozen. And they’re all unemployed!" Great, positive coach. #editorchat
[21:23:27] unearthingasia: #editorchat here’s a thought, bloggers make good columnists, but no necessarily journalists. true/false?
[21:23:27] LydiaBreakfast: @JWKirsch do you think quick turn-around has something to do with it? #editorchat
[21:23:43] AlbrightDC: RT @gmarkham a point I make to my students: everything you do online has the potential of being your "portfolio" #editorchat
[21:23:53] unearthingasia: #editorchat hmm that should’ve been agree/disagree… =/
[21:24:05] bob_bobala: @unearthingasia Very true. #editorchat
[21:24:07] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Maybe. But I love my Zinsser — writing is a craft that can be learned. #editorchat
[21:24:08] tweditor: @unearthingasia True! True! Blogging is hard, ya’ll. #editorchat
[21:24:39] anyluckyday: Any editors looking to interview/write about an interesting business model? #editorchat
[21:24:41] jimmcbee: I’d say it this way: the best columnists are also good journalists @unearthingasia #editorchat #editorchat
[21:24:43] stephauteri: @unearthingasia: It depends. Some bloggers were journalists firsts, and so learned those higher standards of writing. #editorchat
[21:24:45] foleymo: @Single_Shot And who can blame them? Over the decades, the reader opinion page has shrunk to almost nothing. #editorchat
[21:25:06] Single_Shot: @travelinggal Brain surgery? Schmain surgery. I could totally do that! #editorchat
[21:25:06] littlebrownpen: @unearthingasia I consider journalism something you absolutely must be trained to do. Blogging is more like column writing. #editorchat
[21:25:09] Edit_Foundry: RT @gmarkham good writing AND editing are going to become more important to cut through the cruft. #editorchat
[21:25:27] sydneyowen: Hi guys, just got home from SXSW and saw a friend’s tweet. What’s it all about in here? #editorchat
[21:25:32] travelinggal: @tweditor I agree; blogging isn’t the easy way into writing. There really isn’t any easy way in. #editorchat
[21:25:35] anndouglas: @bob_bobala My Dad took me for a drive and showed me the StatsCan income figures for writers. ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:25:35] stephauteri: And by higher standards, I mean preparation, research, etc. #editorchat
[21:25:35] janeco: @bob_bobala Many journalists are now bloggers #editorchat
[21:25:40] IrisJumbe: @travelinggal: Writing *is* easy. Writing well: tougher. Unlike, for example, being a surgeon where u either can or u can’t #editorchat
[21:25:51] Single_Shot: @bob_bobala Thanks, partner! #editorchat
[21:25:52] milehighfool: Keep going if you like, all, but @LydiaBreakfast and I check out in 5. Now’s the time if you want to post an intro and link. #editorchat
[21:25:53] soultravelers3: @gmarkham I am already making that point to my daughter in homeschool & she is only 8 but already doing online classes. #editorchat
[21:26:11] debbieharry: @Quaison My very first job out of college. I majored in creative writing, wanted to work in bk publishing. Had good mentors! #editorchat
[21:26:12] JDEbberly: @sydneyowen Welcome to editorchat, Sydney! #editorchat
[21:26:20] BeckyDMBR: @unearthingasia It depends on their focus. There’s a difference between opinion and reporting. #editorchat
[21:26:22] snubbr: @debbieharry Blogs are important to me.. if you got a blog, and post frequently, with plenty of comments, that’s a plus #editorchat
[21:26:27] travelinggal: What’s the old joke. A writer and doctor are in the elevator together. They start talking and the doctor asks the writer what he #editorchat
[21:26:31] TMFZahrim: @IrisJumbe If at first you don’t succeed, stay awa from skydiving. And surgery. #editorchat
[21:26:34] rsylvester: @unearthingasia Some bloggers are the new columnists. Some journalists are the new bloggers. #editorchat
[21:26:42] milehighfool: @sydneyowen All the details are at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat
[21:27:01] BeckyDMBR: @TMFZahrim LOL! #editorchat
[21:27:05] MetaHash: Wrote about #Editorchat on http://metaha.sh/. Waiting to see if a more formal structured chat format will do well on free-for-all Twitter…
[21:27:05] travelinggal: does and the writer says,"I’m a writer." The doctor says, "I want to write when I retire." The writer looks at him, "Funny, I
[21:27:05] LydiaBreakfast: We are going to wrap shortly, but feel free to continue the discussion here or at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat
[21:27:11] jimmcbee: @IrisJumbe there are bad surgeons, too ๐Ÿ˜ฎ But yes, there’s no certification process to be a writer. #editorchat #editorchat
[21:27:12] JWKirsch: @LydiaBreakfast Daily and spot news requires fast turn-around within the high standards of accuracy – it can be done online, too #editorchat
[21:27:15] stephauteri: Ohnos! Ending already! I’m Steph, a blogger/freelance writer. #editorchat
[21:27:19] travelinggal: "…want to be a doctor when I retire." #editorchat
[21:27:36] TMFZahrim: Intro: Motley Fool writer, coworker of @milehighfool. Happy to hang ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:27:37] LydiaBreakfast: @travelinggal Ugh, I heard that in real life (I know a lot of docs who say they have a book in them) #editorchat
[21:27:41] leximaven: @collazoprojects Perhaps they don’t think it’s their job, which is a total mistake. #editorchat
[21:27:49] Single_Shot: @milehighfool Sure — we’re always learning as writers. One BIG thing I’ve learned — don’t write for free. #editorchat
[21:27:49] a2editor: Hi editorchat. I’m a little late… #editorchat
[21:28:07] travelinggal: @LydiaBreakfast and tell them that’s where they should keep it. #editorchat
[21:28:13] shortformblog: Keeps seeing that his old boss Jim McBee talking to editorchat and wanted to say hello. #editorchat
[21:28:13] LydiaBreakfast: @a2editor we’re about to mop the floor ๐Ÿ˜‰ #editorchat
[21:28:18] IrisJumbe: @TMFZahrim Heh. Solid advice, Anders #editorchat
[21:28:29] bob_bobala: Nice meeting you all. I used to work for the Motley Fool, now work for Intuit. But write fiction, too: exitstrategypress.com #editorchat
[21:28:40] LydiaBreakfast: @travelinggal LOL! #editorchat
[21:28:42] milehighfool: RT @Single_Shot: One BIG thing I’ve learned — don’t write for free. (Huge high-five.) #editorchat
[21:28:42] BeckyDMBR: Thanks, @milehighfool & @LydiaBreakfast for another great chat! #editorchat
[21:28:43] wordful: The blogging industry has very weak editorial standards. Some of the top blogs are messy with poor writing. #editorchat #editorchat
[21:28:51] tweditor: It was so nice meeting you all! I’m in heaven with so many editors … #editorchat
[21:29:11] a2editor: @LydiaBreakfast *groan* I know. Happy to dip in even for 3 minutes. ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:29:13] wordful: @tweditor likewise ๐Ÿ˜‰ #editorchat
[21:29:16] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Great to see you here, Bob. Hope yoiu’ll be back next week. #editorchat
[21:29:17] JWKirsch: @mikebilleter #editorchat "W/attention spans being short, web writing basically has to be" short, fast – it is with limited print space too
[21:29:18] HandymanTourist: Does Twittering help writing skills? #editorchat
[21:29:20] LydiaBreakfast: I am in heaven with such a great discussion and good energy! #editorchat
[21:29:24] foleymo: Yes, great chatting with y’all. It’s fun to toss ideas around with each other. #editorchat
[21:29:24] shortformblog: SmartNews, the thing that @jimmcbee is working on, is pretty cool. We quite dig. #editorchat
[21:29:27] anndouglas: Ann Douglas, author of The Mother of All Pregnancy Books; @conceive columnist; http://thestar.blogs.com/anndouglas/ etc #editorchat
[21:29:32] stephauteri: @wordful: I believe part of that is b/c so many blogging networks are about quantity, not quality. #editorchat
[21:29:43] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Will do. Thanks for the invite! #editorchat
[21:29:49] littlebrownpen: Night all. I’m going to go read some long-form pieces about the Fed printing money. See? Journalism = not dead. #editorchat
[21:29:50] debbieharry: Thanks for a great #editorchat
[21:29:51] JDEbberly: Thank you so much @LydiaBreakfast and @milehighfool for The BEST Editorchat yet!! ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:29:53] stephauteri: @wordful: And it’s a come one, come all sort of mentality. #editorchat
[21:30:01] LydiaBreakfast: Feel free to intro yourself again and send us a link to your work #editorchat
[21:30:05] shortformblog: @wordful Is my blog messy and poorly edited? http://shortformblog.com/ Be honest, man. #editorchat
[21:30:09] milehighfool: @tweditor Thanks for joining. This was one of my favorites thus far. Genuises, you all are. #editorchat
[21:30:17] travelinggal: @stephauteri @wordful I think it depends on the network. #editorchat
[21:30:21] Single_Shot: @foleymo But what about all those online reader comment boards? They have plenty of opp. to contribute but all they do is fight. #editorchat
[21:30:21] konadad: RT @milehighfool: RT @Single_Shot: One BIG thing I’ve learned — don’t write for free. (Huge high-five.) Unless it’s a Tweet for #editorchat
[21:30:22] LydiaBreakfast: @JDEbberly Thanks JD ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:30:27] jimmcbee: Will gladly pimp @shortformblog Ernie’s a great designer, creative soul, has really picked up writing/editing, too #editorchat #editorchat
[21:30:28] collazoprojects: Enjoyed #editorchat tonight. Thanks for the engaging discussion, everyone!
[21:30:29] debbieharry: I write about food, parenting, fitness, diet. http://wordstoeatby.blogspot.com/ #editorchat
[21:30:43] wordful: @stephauteri yes, I agree, and I intend to do something about that #editorchat
[21:30:48] stephauteri: @travelinggal: Oh, for sure. #editorchat
[21:31:05] emanbruin: This has been all very helpful, from what I was following. Thanks! #editorchat
[21:31:07] JaySlacks: Wonderful chat, guys. Looking forward to next week. #editorchat
[21:31:12] taoswriter: @HandymanTourist Sure makes us focus our message! #editorchat
[21:31:12] JDEbberly: @LydiaBreakfast You’re definitely welcome Lydia!! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:31:15] TMFZahrim: @Single_Shot OMG agreed, ever looked at finance.yahoo.com boards? ๐Ÿ˜› #editorchat
[21:31:18] foleymo: @Single_Shot That’s because nobody is being nice to them and actually listening to them. #editorchat
[21:31:20] Single_Shot: @travelinggal Excellent joke, traveling gal. I want to travel when I retire. ; ) #editorchat
[21:31:29] unearthingasia: Glad I woke up in time for #editorchat. Good timing too, now, breakfast then work! ๐Ÿ™‚
[21:31:36] jimmcbee: Great chat, guys. Glad I turned up. Please add me. #editorchat #editorchat
[21:31:43] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Thanks so much. My first #editorchat Will be back. – Ann
[21:31:50] foleymo: @Single_Shot It’s not good to cordon off your readers in their own chat room and just leave them alone. #editorchat
[21:31:59] IrisJumbe: Thanks @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool & everyone for a fab chat. Learned a little and found intrsting new peeps 2 follow #editorchat
[21:32:05] Single_Shot: @milehighfool I’m chest bumping you right now in my head. #editorchat
[21:32:13] konadad: Great #editorchat tonight. Lots of fun and informative. Looking forward to the next one.
[21:32:19] travelinggal: @Single_Shot ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:32:20] wordful: @shortformblog very funny. I’m a blogger, too. I’m not saying everyone is like that. Your blog is pretty cool actually #editorchat
[21:32:22] JDEbberly: Gte the very latest updates about blogging/pr/mktg/seo/new media every day from none other than —-> @JDEbberly ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:32:29] milehighfool: Night all. Great chat. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor. Works with @TMFZahrim and conspires with @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat
[21:32:53] stephauteri: I’m glad I got to catch the end of this! Check out my stuff at Nerve.com, or even my website: stephauteri.com #editorchat
[21:33:04] foleymo: A good "information king" should walk among the people, not rule from an ivory tower. #editorchat
[21:33:07] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot @travelinggal I want to relax when I retire. ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:33:11] milehighfool: @anndouglas Outstanding. Thanks, Ann. Great having you here. #editorchat
[21:33:18] JaySlacks: Everyone have a good night. Peep my blog if you get bored. jarvisslacks.wordpress.com. #editorchat
[21:33:28] JDEbberly: We’re really looking forward to seeing all of you again next Wed night 8p-930pm EST!! Bring your friends! ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:33:31] LydiaBreakfast: Swell chatting with all of you, especially our newcomers. Lydia Dishman, freelance features writer/biz reporter. #editorchat
[21:33:55] Single_Shot: @foleymo Hmmmm … don’t buy it. But perhaps we’ll have a chance to discuss this further at some point. #editorchat
[21:33:55] TMFZahrim: ‘night all, great time tonight #editorchat
[21:34:36] travelinggal: Night everyone! It was a pleasure. Apryl Chapman Thomas, freelance writer/blogger #editorchat
[21:34:57] rondoylewrites: Fiddlesticks, my ASL class squashed my hopes of joining #editorchat again. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ Ron Doyle, freelance writer and deaf girl daddy.
[21:35:04] a2editor: I’ll try to stop in more than 3 minutes before the end next week. Laura Cowan, editor/writer blogging at a2editor.wordpress.com #editorchat
[21:35:08] shortformblog: @wordful Thanks. You’re right, tho. I went to pitchfork.com today to see an anticipated review that had a major editing error. #editorchat
[21:35:11] BeckyDMBR: Love the conversations here. My blogs are on my Twitter profile, and I’m here & there in print (yes! for now) & online. #editorchat
[21:35:29] Single_Shot: @foleymo Yes, left to their own devices, they can be mischievous. And, um, incredibly abusive. Agree forums have not worked. #editorchat
[21:35:34] gmarkham: @LydiaBreakfast thanks for letting an old editor-turned-teacher in. that’s a really great, smart session. #editorchat
[21:35:42] a2editor: @rondoylewrites I just arrived as well. Maybe next week. ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:35:51] SuziSteffen: Oh shoot. #editorchat just doesn’t work well for me on the West Coast! Dang, missed it again. Maybe next week …
[21:36:08] jimmcbee: Thanks to all. Jim McBee, writer, editor, partner in http://smartnews.com freelance marketplace. #editorchat #editorchat
[21:36:32] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen we’ll be here next week ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:37:05] anndouglas: @tweditor Keeping up with reader comments in meaningful way requires energy/commitment. #editorchat
[21:37:06] BeckyDMBR: @littlebrownpen I โค journalism. ๐Ÿ™‚ #editorchat
[21:37:14] shortformblog: I got here really late, but âโ‚ฌ¦ on top of my site at http://shortformblog.com/, I’m a designer at The Washington Post’s Express. #editorchat
[21:37:25] soultravelers3: G’night from Spain. Great to peek in. #editorchat
[21:37:40] debbieharry: @Quaison I’m still copywriting. Just wanted to have a little more say in what I was writing about! #editorchat
[21:37:47] foleymo: @Single_Shot Maybe people are pissed in forums because there actually is something broken about newspaper accountability. #editorchat
[21:37:53] shortformblog: The name’s Ernie Smith, BTW. Nice to meet you all. *tips hat* #editorchat
[21:37:57] sydneyowen: Well I’m going to scroll through these and if I’m able to come next week, I’ll have loads of questions. Very cool idea! #editorchat
[21:37:59] Single_Shot: Thanks Lydia, Milehigh. As always, loads of fun. Diane Mapes, freelance journalist and former P-I columnist. dianemapes.net #editorchat
[21:38:05] tweditor: Okay, I’ll intro. Charmaine Cooper Hussain, high-tech freelance editor. My too-serious blog posts: apostrophecatastrophe.com #editorchat
[21:38:38] BeckyDMBR: Now I gotta go see how many of y’all will follow me back. ๐Ÿ™‚ See you next week! #editorchat
[21:38:43] LydiaBreakfast: @sydneyowen we do a transcript on the blog editorchat.wordpress.com drop your questions in the comment box for next time. #editorchat
[21:39:31] foleymo: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for putting this on. I thoroughly enjoyed it! #editorchat
[21:39:41] debbieharry: @Quaison And I’m pretty sure I was an actual writer all along ๐Ÿ˜‰ #editorchat
[21:40:32] rondoylewrites: @a2editor C’est la vie! I’ll be trolling the companion blog tomorrow. Looks like tonight was a good one! #editorchat
[21:40:34] LydiaBreakfast: @foleymo Please join us next time, (and the next…) #editorchat
[21:42:45] anndouglas: @milehighfool #Lydiabreakfast What a nice group of people you have coming out to #editorchat. Will spread the word. Thx again for everything
[21:45:13] anndouglas: @collazoprojects Sure My editor and I have shared access to my column. Either of us can make changes @ any time before/after pub #editorchat
[21:48:00] bweikle: @kathysena Agree, reprints are an exception. Decent way to collect dividends on time investments already made. #editorchat
[21:48:30] emanbruin: after "listening" to tonight’s #editorchat, I am inspired…
[21:56:23] foleymo: @profkakie Hey lady! Where were you during #editorchat ?
[22:00:08] twendly: Most pop. last hr 6 – 10 | Liam Neeson, #mix09, Better Off Ted, P Natasha Richardson, #editorchat

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March 19, 2009 at 12:40 pm

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