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[20:30:28] milehighfool: And we’re live. Julia Angwin of The Wall Street Journal, our planned guest moderator, is on a breaking story. #editorchat

[20:30:51] KarenLynch: The stars aligned and I checked Twitter just before the start of this chat. I’m a freelancer, joining in! #editorchat

[20:31:22] milehighfool: So it’ll be yours truly and @LydiaBreakfast with you, as usual. Introduce yourself as you join, and welcome. #editorchat

[20:31:36] OurManinSH: rt: first credentialed twitter coverage of a Omega China Golf pro tour w/ @lonniehodge over at @chinagolf #journchat #editorchat

[20:31:56] milehighfool: Welcome, Karen. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:31:59] SpecialDee: Newspapers want 2 build online communities; would you blog on your local newspaper’s site if they allowed readers to blog? #editorchat

[20:32:10] wordful: Hello Charles Bohannan here in Hawaii: writer, editor, blogger, surfer. #editorchat

[20:32:13] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast Sorry to hear that but glad we’re still having it #editorchat

[20:32:33] LydiaBreakfast: H?ello tweeps, sorry about @juliaangwin but we are forging ahead. #editorchat

[20:32:41] anndouglas: I’ll be joining in tonight, too. (Author, blogger, mag columnist: pregnancy/parenting etc.) Love this chat! #editorchat

[20:32:50] hotspringer: Rebecca McCormick here. Fountain pen-lovin’, cello-playin’ freelance travel writer from Hot Springs, Arkansas. #editorchat

[20:32:59] SpecialDee: RT @SpecialDee: I am Special Sections editor at Maine newspaper. #editorchat

[20:33:08] JDEbberly: Hi JD Ebberly in N VA, blogger who writes pieces on blogging and new media #Editorchat

[20:33:12] bob_bobala: Bob Bobala of TurboTax, Quicken, and formerly The Motley Fool, signing in while still working here on the West Coast #editorchat

[20:33:17] milehighfool: Hei Ann, Rebecca, Charles — glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:33:24] wetzeledit: I’m back! Glad the chat is on. Wendy Wetzel, freelance editor (Christian books) #editorchat

[20:33:27] travelinggal: Hello – I’m freelance writer/blogger who covers mainly travel as well as other topics. Glad to be here #editorchat

[20:33:28] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Howdy, howdy … Becky, journalist in Iow-ay here! #editorchat

[20:33:38] spencerspellman: Hello all, Spencer Spellman here. Greenville, South Carolina freelance writer and travel editor #editorchat

[20:33:43] SuSaw: RT @juliaangwin*so* sorry that I cannot host the #editorchat discussion tonight. I am swamped by MySpace news. DEEPEST Apologies.

[20:33:46] milehighfool: @SpecialDee Glad you could make it. You too, Bob and JD. #editorchat

[20:34:06] timecommander: @VeronicaFitzHug #editorchat time!

[20:34:15] UrbanMuseWriter: So glad I finally get to join #editorchat Boston-based freelance writer/blogger covering career & lifestyle topics

[20:34:17] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR Becky! Glad you could make it. Thanks for joining. #editorchat

[20:34:26] travelinggal: I forgot to add that I’m in NE Georgia. #editorchat

[20:34:36] jennipps: Hi, everyone! Jen here, fl writer in south Oklahoma, currently writing about writing, freelancing, & (new gig) health. #editorchat

[20:34:39] anndouglas: Will be participating in #editorchat until approx 10 pm. (in case you wish to adjust your settings). πŸ™‚

[20:34:47] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR A photographer friend made me look good. #editorchat

[20:35:09] milehighfool: @UrbanMuseWriter Hey Susan. Finally is right — glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:35:15] spencerspellman: @jennipps Glad to see you here tonight. #editorchat

[20:35:37] DaydreamWriter: Joining #editorchat tonight. Philadelphia-based freelance writer/blogger covering health, entertainment, education, and lifestyle.

[20:35:39] jennipps: @spencerspellman And same to you. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:35:44] milehighfool: @timecommander Glad you could make it again. Welcome. #editorchat

[20:35:45] timecommander: Hey everyone, I’m Dan Miranda, the thirteen year old blogger. I see a lot of familiar faces, which is great! #editorchat

[20:35:55] GeriRosman: Any business writers/editors on tonight? I’m a publicist based in NJ. Thanks! #editorchat

[20:35:56] milehighfool: Time to get to the rules. #editorchat

[20:36:11] spencerspellman: @DaydreamWriter Welcome #editorchat

[20:36:15] milehighfool: No 1. Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:36:16] JDEbberly: @timecommander Great to see you again Dan! πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[20:36:35] LydiaBreakfast: Glad to see everyone tonight πŸ™‚ Thanks for joining despite our change o’ plans. #editorchat

[20:36:41] milehighfool: Rule No. 2. Stay on topic #editorchat

[20:37:01] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast It’ll still be a great chat. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:37:12] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat

[20:37:17] timecommander: @JDEbberly @milehighfool Great to be here again! Appreciate the warm welcome! #editorchat

[20:37:25] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast No worries. Glad we can still forge ahead. #editorchat

[20:37:29] shortformernie: Hey all, Ernie Smith, designer at Wash Post Express, Editor of ShortFormBlog (http://shortformblog.com/). And I’m a cool guy. #editorchat

[20:37:36] CrypticFragment: @jennipps is #editorchat for editors only or also writers like #writechat ?

[20:37:42] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:37:53] UrbanMuseWriter: @milehighfool Thanks! Looking forward to this #editorchat

[20:38:03] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:11] milehighfool: @shortformernie You do a great job,, too, Ernie. Love the blog. #editorchat

[20:38:29] jennipps: @CrypticFragment It’s also for writers. πŸ™‚ Join us! Best way (IMO) is Tweetchat. #editorchat

[20:38:35] LydiaBreakfast: @CrypticFragment editors and writers #editorchat

[20:38:39] jimmcbee: Dropping in. Ex-newspaper guy, current newsletter guy + http://smartnewsnc.com guy. #editorchat

[20:38:40] milehighfool: @CrypticFragment Writers welcome. For editors and those of us who write for them. #editorchat

[20:38:52] PDXsays: hi writer|editor freelance Porltand or #editorchat

[20:38:52] hotspringer: (I love it when @milehighfool enforces Rule No. 4. He zapped me one night.) #editorchat

[20:39:16] spencerspellman: @jimmcbee Welcome. Glad to see you here again. #editorchat

[20:39:31] milehighfool: @jimmcbee Good to see you again, Jim, #editorchat

[20:39:35] Sascha_Zuger: Hi all, popping in for a bit, but on deadline. Freelancer for mags/papers, author. #editorchat

[20:39:36] spencerspellman: @PDXsays Welcome. Nice to meet you. #editorchat

[20:40:20] shortformernie: @milehighfool Thanks man πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:40:21] gmarkham: @SpecialDee nope. I have nothing that I want to say to the geographic community. #editorchat

[20:40:23] spencerspellman: @Sascha_Zuger Welcome. I feel the deadline thing. I can only stay for a bit too because of deadlines #editorchat

[20:40:27] jimmcbee: Good to be here again. Missed out last week. ^5 to Ernie, while I’m at it. #editorchat

[20:40:45] CrypticFragment: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast @jennipps hello I’m a poet/fiction writer just relocated to Denver, recently resumed writing also #editorchat

[20:41:00] LydiaBreakfast: So tweeps, we are going to shelve @juliaangwin’s questions since she’s not here, and throw out some other ones on the same topic #editorchat

[20:41:10] travelinggal: Deadlines must be catching. I’m on a few as well. #editorchat

[20:41:37] LydiaBreakfast: @travelinggal thanks for joining us despite your deadlines πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:41:44] milehighfool: @CrypticFragment Well then we should meeti up. I’m in Littleton, over by the Chatfield State Park. #editorchat

[20:42:08] Single_Shot: Hey folks! Diane Mapes, Seattle freelance journalist covering lifestyle, health, singles issues & oddball body stuff. #editorchat

[20:42:12] travelinggal: @LydiaBreakfast wouldn’t miss it #editorchat

[20:42:18] KarenLynch: Love seeing fellow FLXers here. Hi all. Thanks fearless mods for doing this! #editorchat

[20:42:20] standupkid: Hello all… television reporter, freelancer at the New York Post, blogger and soon to be wine travel expert here. #editorchat

[20:42:24] LydiaBreakfast: Please refer to the Question number when you answer so we can all follow along #editorchat

[20:42:32] jennipps: @travelinggal Same here. Got some new ones this morning, too. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:42:45] JenniferPerillo: Hey all. Jennifer here. Recipe developer/writer/editor in NYC. #editorchat

[20:42:49] CrypticFragment: @milehighfool I am in DU vicinity public transit not familiar w/area yet, just arrived late last night! #editorchat

[20:43:05] mriggen: @LydiaBreakfast Hi there, joining late but editor of http://www.poptech.org/blog/ First time here! #editorchat

[20:43:22] travelinggal: @standupkid wine travel – how interesting #editorchat

[20:43:24] LydiaBreakfast: Q1 On online identities – writers: do you consciously write to develop a certain following? #editorchat

[20:43:29] UrbanMuseWriter: @jennipps Congrats on the new assignments! #editorchat

[20:43:54] standupkid: @travelinggal @mrsstandupkid and I are launching a site this summer! #editorchat

[20:44:28] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Right. Broadcasting yourself is an interesting idea. We want to know why you broadcast. #editorchat

[20:44:40] SpecialDee: @gmarkham What if your blog was about writing/journalism, which local businesses would benefit from in their marketing writing? #editorchat

[20:44:56] jennipps: @UrbanMuseWriter Thanks! New-to-me area, but I’m excited. #editorchat

[20:44:57] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast I’m not sure what you mean by “certain following”, but I don’t write for one set crowd. I write for people. #editorchat

[20:45:14] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast Q1 So why you broadcast yourself on Twitter, Facebook, etc.? #editorchat

[20:45:21] rondoylewrites: Alright, I finally get to squeeze one tweet into #editorchat! Hi everyone, I’m Ron S. Doyle, freelance writer from Denver, CO. #editorchat

[20:45:30] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q1 On online identities – writers: do you consciously write to develop a certain following? #editorchat

[20:45:47] KarenLynch: @LydiaBreakfast Can you clarify Q1? Do you mean a Twitter/FB following? #editorchat

[20:46:03] milehighfool: @rondoylewrites Finally — glad to see you here, sir. Loving the Mile High presence here tonight. #editorchat

[20:46:04] jimmcbee: q1) can you clarify the question a little? do you mean re: blogging? twitteration? #editorchat

[20:46:05] jennipps: Q1 – Maybe…. I never really thought about it, but since my preferred niche is primarily writing/creativity, I guess so. #editorchat

[20:46:12] SpecialDee: Q1: In my work, each supplement has a theme, with a niche audience. #editorchat

[20:46:14] LydiaBreakfast: @timecommander The certain following usually springs from specialization on a specific topic: travel or food perhaps. #editorchat

[20:46:16] gillespi: Morning all – greetings from Brisbane Australia – author and occasional op-ed writer on the danger of sugar. #editorchat

[20:46:17] spencerspellman: Yes I had the same question , thanks @KarenLynch #editorchat

[20:46:24] cnewvine: Colleen Newvine joining late. Head of market research at AP & voice of @apstylebook. Really interested in multiple identities. #editorchat

[20:46:27] wordful: I like to write truthfully and hope to attract people who appreciate truth. The rule applies across genres. #editorchat

[20:46:30] anndouglas: Q1: I am who I am, both online and offline. I don’t have an online persona, although I know others do (like radio hosts etc). #editorchat

[20:46:40] milehighfool: @KarenLynch So, on Q1, why are you on FB, Twitter? Were you pressured by a publisher, editor to get here? #editorchat

[20:46:46] LydiaBreakfast: @KarenLynch across the board, online and print audiences #editorchat

[20:46:46] rondoylewrites: Q1: Absolutely. @twittercize connects me to the health/fitness demographic and I blog about topics that I pitch to magazines. #editorchat

[20:46:50] JDEbberly: Q1: WRT to blogging, bloggers write to attract a certain audience. #Editorchat

[20:47:02] shortformernie: Re Q1: God, my entire site is writing to nurture a following. I want to engage people. I want people who crave information. #editorchat

[20:47:06] Sascha_Zuger: Q1 Wouldn’t say I write for a certain following, but I’m aware I use my full, real name and edit myself accordingly. #editorchat

[20:47:16] bob_bobala: Q1: Secondary question to that: Do you write for/as yourself or for/as the organization you represent? #editorchat

[20:47:23] booksandcorsets: Hello all, joining the chat. I’m an editor at Sterling publishing working primarily in nonfiction and heavily illustrated titles #editorchat

[20:47:37] shortformernie: Q1: But I actually wrote about this yesterday on my friend Charles Apple’s blog. #editorchat

[20:47:40] milehighfool: RT @shortformernie: Re Q1: God, my entire site is writing to nurture a following. I want to engage people. #editorchat

[20:48:00] spencerspellman: Q1 Personally I first started getting sucked into FB, etc. for personal use, staying connected with friends… #editorchat

[20:48:04] standupkid: Q1: I believe branding yourself is the best way to build an audience in today’s environment, on TV, in print, online. #editorchat

[20:48:14] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Lloyd here from Southern Ontario Outdoors. I have 3 distinct markets I write for. Different persona for each

[20:48:16] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast I understand that. I’m still saying, I write for people. People are my niche. #editorchat

[20:48:19] rondoylewrites: Q1: For example, I blog about cycling, parenting, etc. Do I want a certain following? Yes, they’re called editors. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:48:21] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala I know some writers do, such as @kathysena tweeting as consumer reports #editorchat

[20:48:41] jennipps: @bob_bobala I mostly write for/as myself unless given a different stylesheet to go by. #editorchat

[20:48:45] spencerspellman: Q1 Now it’s half and half, because there’s some range to my niches, I write to a general audience, not so much focuesed #editorchat

[20:48:46] AbsoluteWrite: Hi, folks – MacAllister, from AbsoluteWrite.com. After lurking for a couple of weeks, thought I should introduce myself. #editorchat

[20:48:52] shortformernie: Q1: My opinion is that you have to blog broadly. You have to focus, it has to be something a lot of people can latch onto. #editorchat

[20:49:03] milehighfool: @bob_bobala There are those here who have to have a following, and those who create one through content. Agree? #editorchat

[20:49:08] jimmcbee: q1) we have a definite style for the med. coding newsletters. Policy stuff is more the Awful Voice of Newspapering. #editorchat

[20:49:18] jennipps: @AbsoluteWrite woohoo!! Great to see you here, Mac!! #editorchat

[20:49:19] KarenLynch: Re Q1: I started on Twitter to get a following for my niche blog. My tweets were often topical, absolutely #editorchat

[20:49:32] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie do you tend to think using first person is a way to get there? #editorchat

[20:49:36] UrbanMuseWriter: Q1 I’m on Twitter primarily to connect with other writers /potential blog readers but I’ve found it useful for other things, too #editorchat

[20:49:37] spencerspellman: Q1 I would like to think that my normal personality comes out strongly in my writing and interaction on Twitter #editorchat

[20:49:51] shortformernie: Q1: That’s why TechCrunch is successful. That’s why a narrowly focused journalism blog will, sadly, never make money. #editorchat

[20:49:59] wordful: Part of writing online is revealing your personality, thus you may develop a “cult of personality.” #editorchat

[20:49:59] rondoylewrites: Alright, I must go–it’s my wedding anniversary (getting to pop into #editorchat was my present) πŸ˜‰ Happy writing, everyone! #editorchat

[20:50:01] Willowbottom: Better late than never? Re Q1: I’m on Twitter for two reasons: 1) Encouraged to see who’s saying what, 2) Be inspired. #editorchat

[20:50:02] anndouglas: Q1: Brand new anthology about moms/blogging touches about blog personas. [Am contributor.] http://is.gd/tZ5B #editorchat

[20:50:06] spencerspellman: @AbsoluteWrite Welcome. Glad to see you here. #editorchat

[20:50:06] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Yeah, it’s driving me buggy. I have my own writing life and then I also have my day job. Split personality. #editorchat

[20:50:06] booksandcorsets: Q1: I’m on Twitter for myself rather than my house. I’m in acquisitions and the netwrkng w/agents and potential aus is priceless #editorchat

[20:50:12] milehighfool: @KarenLynch Do you edit yourself a certain way for Twitter? For FB? #editorchat

[20:50:17] hinder: Hi all. First time on #editorchat writer/editor for teen, hip hop and real estate pubs.

[20:50:18] KarenLynch: @UrbanMuseWriter I agree … interaction became a serendipitous benefit of Twitter #editorchat

[20:50:20] UrbanMuseWriter: Q1 in terms of my paid assignments, I write a lot for college students & twentysomethings, as well as small business owners #editorchat

[20:50:20] Single_Shot: Q1: My “platform” is singles issues so I def. cover the singles stuff on the blog (& via assignments). Humor is part of it 2. #editorchat

[20:50:45] anndouglas: Touches upon…. [Blush.] #editorchat

[20:50:46] milehighfool: @Willowbottom Hey. Glad you made it. So a following isn’t your interest? #editorchat

[20:50:52] LydiaBreakfast: Q1 let me clarify again – developing a voice is not just related to twitter, but to your blogs, print, books, etc. #editorchat

[20:51:02] shortformernie: @lydiabreakfast ShortFormBlog is in the voice of “we.” Because I’d rather sell people on the concept, not the writer. So, no. #editorchat

[20:51:06] JMegonigal: Hi all! Jordana, editor in South Carolina, following along here #editorchat

[20:51:32] timecommander: @standupkid Agreed. I came across a great article on personal branding becoming the future here: http://bit.ly/awec #editorchat

[20:51:40] wordful: Q1 The voice should reflect your persona. #editorchat

[20:51:40] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Right. A single voice for every platform?Or multiple voices for multiple platforms? #editorchat

[20:51:41] spencerspellman: Actually I would change my answer some and say that there usually is a certain type of voice to my writing #editorchat

[20:51:51] maggiekb1: Q1: I use a voice here that I can’t use in all my assignments, definitely. But I’m not sure I do that w/ a plan. Maybe I should. #editorchat

[20:51:54] KarenLynch: @milehighfool I do not edit myself … I’m such an open book. Social media seems to just be another way to be myself. #editorchat

[20:51:57] spencerspellman: @JMegonigal Hey there. Welcome! Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:51:59] Willowbottom: @milehighfool I hope ppl will follow b/c they find me interesting & want to contribute to the dialogue. No interest in bldg #s. #editorchat

[20:52:11] shortformernie: @LydiaBreakfast It’s something I borrowed in part from my old paper, Link. We had a “voice,” but it was not one person’s. #editorchat

[20:52:12] AbsoluteWrite: @jennipps Thanks, Jen. Followed you over, y’know. It’s interesting being a fly on the wall while such terrific folks talk #editorchat

[20:52:18] JMegonigal: Q1 – I’d think (esp for freelancers) creating yourself as your own brand should be goal #1… #editorchat

[20:52:19] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast I think I’m pretty consistent across the board, but someone else would have to actually say if I succeed or not. #editorchat

[20:52:31] LydiaBreakfast: Related to Q1 if you are using different personas, how do you accomplish that (style, mixed media, lots o’ links, etc.)? #editorchat

[20:52:38] JDEbberly: RT @timecommander I came across a great article on personal branding becoming the future here: http://bit.ly/awec #Editorchat

[20:52:43] Willowbottom: I do edit myself for different platforms – Twitter grants me a certain level of anonymity allowing me to be more frank/spunky. #editorchat

[20:52:43] konadad: RT @rondoylewrites: I blog about cycling, parenting, etc. Do I want a certain following? Yes, they’re called editors. #editorchat Agreed.

[20:52:44] UrbanMuseWriter: @milehighfool I’d say the voice depends on the pub. I’d be more casual in a teen website vs. B2B pub #editorchat

[20:52:53] milehighfool: @maggiekb1 Or maybe you shouldn’t. Seems this is an open question, which is why we’re asking it. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:53:03] jimmcbee: Med. coding pubs style is a weird combination of familiarity (2nd person) and super technical content. #editorchat

[20:53:15] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Once upon a time ago, I tried the different personas thing. I couldn’t do it. #editorchat

[20:53:19] CrypticFragment: leaving #editorchat need to catch up on other online errands can’t keep up see the writers folks Sunday at #writechat

[20:53:26] KarenLynch: @milehighfool And no, no pressure to get here … just a desire to learn the way of the future of communication/media #editorchat

[20:53:38] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee sounds like it takes a while to master #editorchat

[20:53:45] SpecialDee: Q1 I think people read articles based on topics of interest, followed by bylines; but topic makes the reader stick w/article. #editorchat

[20:53:47] milehighfool: @UrbanMuseWriter And in your online presence? is the Susan of your artidles the same as the one we read on Twitter? #editorchat

[20:53:49] spencerspellman: My writing style in articles, content, blogs, even FB/Twitter doesn’t change much at all #editorchat

[20:53:50] Willowbottom: @LydiaBreakfast Tone of response – on Facebook or blog, must tone myself down, be more informative. Twitter, I go for the zing. #editorchat

[20:53:52] wordful: Q1 Multiple voices, one persona. My blog is my most personal voice but other blogs are tailored. It’s still me, though #editorchat

[20:54:10] jennipps: @CrypticFragment See ya later. Glad you stopped in for a bit. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:54:17] KarenLynch: I think using your own name forces you to “be you” instead of someone else. It’s YOUR reputation on the line. #editorchat

[20:54:28] bob_bobala: Talked to Zappos exec last week and he combines all – personal life with business life – on twitter. Makes it more interesting. #editorchat

[20:54:34] spencerspellman: I like to think there’s still that edgy, kind of humorous tone no matter what the platform or what the writing #editorchat

[20:54:49] standupkid: Q1 I don’t think your various voices can ever conflict without risking your brand. Complement, show different sides, stay YOU. #editorchat

[20:54:51] Single_Shot: @Willowbottom I love your frank/spunky self. I chose part of my beat/platform for my Twitter “persona”. #editorchat

[20:54:52] jimmcbee: @LydiaBreakfast I suspect it does for some. I kinda fell right into it. But I’m not in love w/ dry, ‘objective’ style. #editorchat

[20:54:56] shortformernie: I write in two voices all the time. Express is so much more serious than SFB is. You have to know when to silence your voice. #editorchat

[20:55:12] shortformernie: You also have to know when to lower your voice’s volume. #editorchat

[20:55:15] spencerspellman: @bob_bobala Great comment . I think that’s how it should be #editorchat

[20:55:16] milehighfool: @wordful Tough to pull off, right? Developing a voice is so difficult I want to use mine everywhere. #editorchat

[20:55:18] jennipps: @bob_bobala I agree. It does. Plus it eliminates any slip-ups by posting in the “wrong” place. #editorchat

[20:55:36] merylkevans: Q1: I consciously write to give the reader something of value, not write about something because it appeals to me. #editorchat

[20:55:40] maggiekb1: @wordful This is true for me as well I think. Same persona and style comes through everywhere, but to varying degrees. #editorchat

[20:55:42] UrbanMuseWriter: @milehighfool some pubs don’t allow much room for the writer’s personality, while others embrace it #editorchat

[20:55:47] milehighfool: RT @shortformernie: You also have to know when to lower your voice’s volume.(Good point.) #editorchat

[20:55:47] jimmcbee: I’ve learned that many readers appreciate when your pub has a distinct personality. #editorchat

[20:55:55] hinder: Q1: I write/edit for a diverse range of pubs that I don’t try to develop a specific platform. Want to be known as a great worker #editorchat

[20:56:01] spencerspellman: At #smstravel a few weeks ago @karasw mentioned that if heavy brand focused, she wants personality behind the voice #editorchat

[20:56:08] wordful: @milehighfool yes, but I guess I do it unconsciously. Writing is such a worthy craft. #editorchat

[20:56:23] BeckyDMBR: Q1: Blog voice definitely different from what I write as correspondent. #editorchat

[20:56:27] spencerspellman: She wants to know that the person behind the brand sometimes forgets to take out the kitty litter #editorchat

[20:56:34] gillespi: @KarenLynch agree with that. takes a lifetime to build reputation & one post to destroy it – using your own name ensures caution #editorchat

[20:56:37] milehighfool: @merylkevans Interesting. I’m the opposite. I find that if it appeals to me, I’m more likely to engage the reader. #editorchat

[20:56:41] Willowbottom: @Single_Shot Thank you – I like your beat persona. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:56:44] shortformernie: You’re still the same guy whether you’re writing about Susan Boyle or writing about the Craigslist killer. Your voice changes. #editorchat

[20:56:48] Sascha_Zuger: @milehighfool My choice of user pic reflects my initial impetus in joining Twitter. Straight headshot on the NPR affiliate page. #editorchat

[20:56:59] bob_bobala: @hinder Agree with that. Be the best you can be, no matter what the platform or outlet you’re communicating on. #editorchat

[20:56:59] LydiaBreakfast: RT @wordful Writing is such a worthy craft. Amen! #editorchat

[20:57:11] hotspringer: A good editor will help to set tone, volume of voice before writing ever begins. #editorchat

[20:57:15] konadad: As long as you write passionately about a topic, your “persona” doesn’t really matter. #editorchat

[20:57:19] wordful: Online readers are certainly more open to hearing the writer’s personal voice. #editorchat

[20:57:23] Single_Shot: @Willowbottom I’m feeling like a beat persona tonight. ; ) #editorchat

[20:57:30] maggiekb1: I should note that I’m (vaguely) participating in #editorchat tonight. I try to keep posts down, but you may want to filter. Sorry for trbl

[20:57:31] Willowbottom: With regards to voices, I’d add that I maintain (“maintain” = loosely) four different blogs – similar style, different voices. #editorchat

[20:57:37] jennipps: RT @bob_bobala @hinder Agree with that. Be the best you can be, no matter what the platform or outlet you’re communicating on. #editorchat

[20:57:38] standupkid: Oh. Let me throw in an exception to my “be yourself” rule: Writing for a distinctive pub like the NY POST. Then, be THEM. #editorchat

[20:57:51] milehighfool: @Sascha_Zuger So, in writing, you’re truly schizophrenic. I suspect we all are, to a degree. #editorchat

[20:57:51] UrbanMuseWriter: RT @Willowbottom: @Single_Shot I like your beat persona. πŸ™‚ #editorchat <– me, too!

[20:57:52] SpecialDee: Q1 Most, but not all, of the assignments I give out are to be written in 3rd person. #editorchat

[20:58:03] spencerspellman: @milehighfool What do you think Q1. One voice across all writing and platforms? #editorchat

[20:58:04] jimmcbee: q1) It’s a dicey thing having personality as a writer. What worked for Hunter S. Thompson might not work for you. #editorchat

[20:58:15] shortformernie: @konadad Lies. Your voice is your most important part of the entire package. If you ignore it, you’ll drive off a cliff. #editorchat

[20:58:33] EilSmi: RT @bob_bobala: Talked to Zappos exec last week. He combines personal life with business life on twitter. More interesting. #editorchat

[20:58:34] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Yes, nuts might be a good way to describe it. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:58:38] Willowbottom: Similar style in that I try for most punch in least words, bullet style, formatting; but different tone entirely. #editorchat

[20:58:45] BeckyDMBR: @UrbanMuseWriter Exactly. Sometimes it gets edited OUT. #editorchat

[20:58:52] Sascha_Zuger: @milehighfool I use the voice of whatever outlet I’m working with to tell the story in best manner for their readers. #editorchat

[20:58:56] shortformernie: @jimmcbee Nor should you steal Hunter S. Thompson’s personality. #editorchat

[20:59:03] anndouglas: @Willowbottom Yes. I think being able to springboard off of another comment instantly adds power and meaning to your reply. #editorchat

[20:59:03] milehighfool: @spencerspellman Honestly, I thik you have to give editors what they need. I’m tempted to use once voice but know I need range. #editorchat

[20:59:17] Willowbottom: @jimmcbee I think personality is the luxury of people who can afford to not care about what people may think. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:59:23] UrbanMuseWriter: Took a feature writing course where the instructor discouraged use of 1st person POV. Called it a crutch. Not sure I agree #editorchat

[20:59:34] wordful: @shortformernie I agree, persona is what makes us real. Passion is merely incidental. #editorchat

[20:59:37] Dark_Faust: Sorry all – it’s been a while since I was last able to join the session. Where are the questions for this evening? Thx. #editorchat

[20:59:43] jimmcbee: q1) But I think we’ve killed many readers (in the news biz) by pretending not to have souls. #editorchat

[20:59:43] Willowbottom: @anndouglas agreed – and humor! #editorchat

[20:59:46] standupkid: @BeckyDMBR Anything truly original or funny…or the ONE THING that you like most? That will ALWAYS be edited out. It’s a RULE #editorchat

[20:59:59] bob_bobala: @milehighfool It’s a good question on voice. And it’s tied to your “writer brand.” #editorchat

[21:00:03] Willowbottom: @UrbanMuseWriter A crutch? I think it can lead to trimmer writing. #editorchat

[21:00:05] LydiaBreakfast: Depending on the publication, I can me as personal or as business-like as necessary to tell the story. #editorchat

[21:00:11] spencerspellman: @milehighfool Yeah I understand. I def have to be careful sometimes to stay within very strict boundaries for some pubs #editorchat

[21:00:15] timecommander: @milehighfool Writers won’t get anywhere unless they have a) an extremely solid voice or b) multiple voices. #editorchat

[21:00:21] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful Mmm … that depends. When I read an AP story? I don’t want snark. #editorchat

[21:00:26] milehighfool: @jimmcbee Very true. Isn’t there also a risk in not writing to your true self? #editorchat

[21:00:37] sooutdoors: Q1 Different persona may be necessary if you have mult distinct areas of expertise, but writing style doesn’t need to change. #editorchat

[21:00:40] jennipps: RT @wordful @shortformernie I agree, persona is what makes us real. Passion is merely incidental #editorchat

[21:00:46] lorilowe: @wordful I also use my most personal voice in my blog and book writing. For some corporate writing, definitely a different voice #editorchat

[21:00:48] Single_Shot: @standupkid Yes, I know that rule! I hate that rule! #editorchat

[21:00:54] SpecialDee: Q1 In poetry class we critique each other’s poems each week and 1 question always asked, “who is the speaker?” #editorchat

[21:01:09] LydiaBreakfast: @milehighfool Your true self can be lots of “people” #editorchat

[21:01:17] jimmcbee: @Willowbottom disagree. Though maybe it’s a luxury for people who don’t have to care what their editor thinks πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[21:01:19] mariaelenaduron: Jumping on late but happy 2 b on the chat! #editorchat

[21:01:26] KarenLynch: Re: Q1 and voice: I think writing on assignment is one thing and writing for your own site/blog is another. #editorchat

[21:01:36] BeckyDMBR: @jimmcbee Yeah, it didn’t always work for The Good Doctor either. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:01:40] jennipps: Ditto! RT @LydiaBreakfast Depending on the publication, I can me as personal or as business-like as necessary to tell the story. #editorchat

[21:01:51] merylkevans: @LydiaBreakfast Agreed — in both styles (business and personal), I still want to make sure I give the reader something. #editorchat

[21:01:55] UrbanMuseWriter: @Willowbottom 1st person is easy, but it’s harder to make the reader feel like they’re there (w/out using “you”) #editorchat

[21:01:58] Willowbottom: So one question for the community : how do you react if what an editor doesn’t like *is* your voice? #editorchat

[21:02:06] milehighfool: @sooutdoors Good point. A related Q: Do editors actively seek range in evaluating writing samples? #editorchat

[21:02:12] hotspringer: Voice is like the difference in how you speak to your spouse but maybe not to your mother. It can be controlled. #editorchat

[21:02:22] UrbanMuseWriter: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Depending on the publication, I can me as personal or as business-like as necessary to tell the story. #editorchat Amen!

[21:02:23] jimmcbee: @milehighfool And yet it’s easy to come off as amateurish or churlish or what-have-you. I don’t claim to have mastered it. #editorchat

[21:02:32] wordful: @BeckyDMBR Yes, you’re right. I tend to exclude journalists and copywriters when I talk about writing online. #editorchat

[21:02:43] Willowbottom: @LydiaBreakfast That’s what Sybil said… #editorchat

[21:02:53] standupkid: @Single_Shot I wrote a story about Facebook for the Post…edited by a great, smart, but not “hip” editor. Need I say more? #editorchat

[21:02:59] shortformernie: I just want to note to you guys: It helps that I suffer from multiple personality disorder. It helps my writing. πŸ˜› #editorchat

[21:03:01] hinder: I think personality should come out fully in a blog. Legit articles need to have less you. Still voice is key to any article #editorchat

[21:03:09] Willowbottom: @jimmcbee aHAH! Touche, my good man! #editorchat

[21:03:13] bob_bobala: @SpecialDee It’s funny. In fiction you always talk about a writer’s voice, but I want to talk about my character’s voice. #editorchat

[21:03:22] shortformernie: @Willowbottom You beat your editor up, duh! #editorchat

[21:03:31] jennipps: @KarenLynch RIght. For the new gig I have, I’m reading over their site to get a feeling for their tone vs mine so to do better. #editorchat

[21:03:33] spencerspellman: Q1 I think you should have a voice, but that voice should have the versatility to change in different situations #editorchat

[21:03:34] milehighfool: @Willowbottom Then you’re screwed. #editorchat

[21:03:38] LydiaBreakfast: Q2 authors: have your editors and publishing companies ask that you “brand yourself” by blogging, twittering, or using other SM #editorchat

[21:03:57] standupkid: @UrbanMuseWriter Also true in television. If you are CAREFUL about protecting your brand, you can be versatile, unique… #editorchat

[21:04:07] jennipps: @milehighfool Depends on area. I had one ask for a health article, which I didn’t have in my samples, so I think sometimes yes. #editorchat

[21:04:12] spencerspellman: Your voice in National Geographic by nature I think will have to be different then say for a technology blog #editorchat

[21:04:19] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast Excellent point re true self being lots of “people”! #editorchat

[21:04:26] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Regarding range, yes, if you need someone who can do a lot of different things. #editorchat

[21:04:28] KarenLynch: @Willowbottom If you study the publication closely enough, you can likely align your voice with the pubs, and avoid that problem #editorchat

[21:04:29] Willowbottom: @milehighfool crud. #editorchat

[21:04:34] milehighfool: @Willowbottom Well, okay, maybe not. You can’t really know till you talk with the editor live. Email won’t tell you. #editorchat

[21:04:49] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Less so if you have a very specific job to do and the writer can do it — range or no range. #editorchat

[21:04:53] standupkid: @bob_bobala Fiction! SO easy…all you do is write down what the characters do and say, right? Geez. #editorchat

[21:04:55] spencerspellman: RT @LydiaBreakfast Q2 authors: have your editors and publishing companies ask that you “brand yourself” by blogging, twittering, #editorchat

[21:04:58] jimmcbee: @Willowbottom If it was something you really loved doing, they wouldn’t have to pay you, would they? Suck it up, soldier! #editorchat

[21:05:04] wordful: Q2: I’m my own editor and publishing company! So, absolutely yes to the question! #editorchat

[21:05:15] timecommander: @standupkid That’s the key to it all. If you’re not careful, your material is no longer yours. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:05:15] jennipps: Q2 – I was blogging before I got published. No one suggested I join Twitter. #editorchat

[21:05:16] Willowbottom: @LydiaBreakfast I have been told that I am too diverse in my interests and to focus on one area. Too bad…not my style. #editorchat

[21:05:29] gillespi: @LydiaBreakfast nup – in fact Penguin couldn’t be more indifferent – possibly an Australian thing? #editorchat

[21:05:40] Single_Shot: @Willowbottom Find a new editor, maybe? Or pitch/write in voice they like or that’s better suited to the publication. #editorchat

[21:05:44] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q2 authors: have your editors and publishing companies ask that you “brand yourself” via SM #editorchat

[21:05:44] UrbanMuseWriter: @jennipps good call, I always compare the published article to what I submitted so I can nail the nuances of the voice next time #editorchat

[21:05:45] Willowbottom: @jimmcbee True enough – I guess s/he who pays gets to say what stays! #editorchat

[21:05:48] MissADS08: @LydiaBreakfast Not the people that I know who are writing books, but it sounds like a good idea to me! #editorchat

[21:05:58] merylkevans: Q2: I choose to be a one-person business, so it’s a must for me — if I want to stay busy and get paid for it. #editorchat

[21:06:17] LydiaBreakfast: @gillespi nope just specific to that publisher #editorchat

[21:06:45] Sascha_Zuger: @LydiaBreakfast HarperStudio had an Authors’ Breakfast for us to discuss social media and its benefits and importance. #editorchat

[21:06:48] Single_Shot: @standupkid Sounds almost tragically funny. I’ll go look it up & u can email me the jokes/asides that were stripped out. Deal? #editorchat

[21:06:50] jennipps: @UrbanMuseWriter I figure it’s the best way to get repeat assignments. lol #editorchat

[21:06:53] BeckyDMBR: @KarenLynch I agree. #editorchat

[21:06:53] JMegonigal: Q2 It definitely helps an editor to have writers who market themselves as their own brands #editorchat

[21:07:09] jimmcbee: @LydiaBreakfast q2) They’re not that advanced re: social media. #editorchat

[21:07:14] xybrewer: #editorchat Q2 Yes. πŸ˜‰ Is it a good thing or a bad thing? I feel really boxed in.

[21:07:15] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast Q2: I think it’s necessary that I brand myself as the “13 yr old blogger” because it makes me diverse. #editorchat

[21:07:20] stephauteri: is popping in late! Freelance writer: Sex, relationships, and the freelance life. #editorchat

[21:07:24] LydiaBreakfast: @Sascha_Zuger and what did you learn? #editorchat

[21:07:31] wordful: Q2: The editors I’ve worked for have not asked me to do social media branding. They’re too old-school. #editorchat

[21:07:31] JDEbberly: RT @JMegonigal: Q2 It definitely helps an editor to have writers who market themselves as their own brands #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:07:38] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:07:39] milehighfool: RT @Sascha_Zuger: @LydiaBreakfast HarperStudio had an Authors’ Breakfast for us to discuss social media. (A rarity?) #editorchat

[21:07:56] Willowbottom: Am I alone in finding “brand” near synonymous with “pigeonhole”? How could I change my perspective? #editorchat

[21:08:04] LydiaBreakfast: @timecommander It also makes you stand out πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:08:32] wetzeledit: I think publishers want authors with platform/brand but would not specifically push social media (yet) #editorchat

[21:08:34] milehighfool: Related Q2: Edtiros, do you want your writers engaged in social media? Do you support it? #editorchat

[21:08:36] spencerspellman: RT @JMegonigal Q2 It definitely helps an editor to have writers who market themselves as their own brands #editorchat

[21:08:43] UrbanMuseWriter: @stephauteri welcome, Steph! #editorchat

[21:08:46] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast No. I’ve been the one driving the online publicity/marketing activities; taking courses to learn more; etc. #editorchat

[21:08:47] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast Q2: I think branding/marketing/plugging yourself is a given in book publishing now. #editorchat

[21:09:00] LydiaBreakfast: @Willowbottom not necessarily. If you are branded reliable, that is a pretty good hole to be pigeoned in, no? #editorchat

[21:09:05] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast As an editor, it’s a pride thing to be able to “claim” well-known brands (writers) as part of your pub. #editorchat

[21:09:07] milehighfool: @Willowbottom Maybe. But isn’t having a niche key to getting published? #editorchat

[21:09:13] shortformernie: I’ve never been asked to “brand myself,” mainly because I’m not really worthy of it. So I just do it. #editorchat

[21:09:17] jimmcbee: q2) have tried to get employers to radically rethink our policy newsletters into a web 2.0 function. No dice. #editorchat

[21:09:21] wordful: @Willowbottom You’ll need brand to rise above the noise and mediocrity on the web. #editorchat

[21:09:32] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful I’ve noticed, tho, that many traditional media outlets try on the snark, and it really doesn’t work. #editorchat

[21:09:35] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @Willowbottom not necessarily. If you are branded reliable, that is a pretty good hole to be pigeoned in. #editorchat

[21:09:38] shortformernie: Plus, branding yourself is painful. Have you seen how hot they make those cattle prods? #editorchat

[21:09:41] merylkevans: I don’t use my deafness in my brand, but I make comments around it 2b more memorable. Teachers knew me so I couldn’t cut class. #editorchat

[21:09:45] jennipps: @milehighfool And to getting known before & after publication. #editorchat

[21:09:47] wetzeledit: It has to be done well. I know authors who start new websites & blogs for each book but never put content on them. #editorchat

[21:09:49] Willowbottom: @milehighfool Indeed – I suppose “Jill of all trades” is hardly a successful way to be, however fun. #editorchat

[21:09:58] booksandcorsets: I think many current editors don’t yet grasp the social networking possibilities. There are those who do, however. #editorchat

[21:10:02] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast That’s what I’m going for. By the time I’m older, hopefully, I’ll already be noticed in the blogosphere. #editorchat

[21:10:02] jimmcbee: @shortformernie ‘What do you do when you’re branded … and you know you’re a man?’ #editorchat

[21:10:13] stephauteri: @Willowbottom: Perhaps it would help to reconsider “brand” as “platform”? #editorchat

[21:10:23] thebrandbuilder: @xybrewer @LydiaBreakfast Do writers typically have portfolios on the web? (Pubs they’ve written for, articles, etc.) #editorchat

[21:10:33] RBLevin: Editors, would you like or dislike non-conversational pitches inserted into your #editorchat?

[21:10:35] milehighfool: @Willowbottom Snarktastic twitterer of obscure and wonderful things, on the other hand … #editorchat

[21:10:41] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Q2 Lots of publishing is still old school. I find younger editors embrace these new avenues to promote “brand”#editorchat

[21:10:46] kristoforlawson: oooo… don’t tell me i’m missing an #editorchat

[21:10:49] wordful: @BeckyDMBR True, that’s because they’re traditional. They only have a footing in certain old-established niches. #editorchat

[21:10:50] shortformernie: @jimmcbee Well played, sir. #editorchat

[21:10:52] LydiaBreakfast: RT @jmegonigal As an editor, it’s a pride thing to be able to “claim” well-known brands (writers) as part of your pub. #editorchat

[21:11:04] milehighfool: RT @stephauteri: @Willowbottom: Perhaps it would help to reconsider “brand” as “platform”? (Or portfolio.) #editorchat

[21:11:07] jennipps: Definitely agree. RT @stephauteri @Willowbottom: Perhaps it would help to reconsider “brand” as “platform”? #editorchat

[21:11:12] JMegonigal: @thebrandbuilder No, not typically, but they SHOULD. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:11:18] merylkevans: @thebrandbuilder Some do. Some don’t. I used to, but couldn’t keep up. My bio lists some pubs. I plan to put up portfolio page. #editorchat

[21:11:29] anndouglas: @milehighfool I think so. Most info sharing between authors is facilitated by author orgs or happens informally. #editorchat

[21:11:30] RBLevin: Topic came up today in a meeting. I maintain it’s intrusive and journalists would find it annoying. #editorchat

[21:11:38] JDEbberly: @kristoforlawson Still plenty of time left for you to enjoy Editorchat, KL! πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[21:11:41] RBLevin: Curious as to how others think. #editorchat

[21:11:48] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast No. My editor is not on Twitter or FB, doesn’t blog. #editorchat

[21:12:02] booksquare: for those who weren’t aware, #editorchat is going on right now. here’s the search stream: http://snurl.com/ghsnf

[21:12:04] RBLevin: @thebrandbuilder I think you HAVE to. #editorchat

[21:12:06] milehighfool: @RBLevin Hey Rich. What do you mean? #editorchat

[21:12:13] Willowbottom: @milehighfool yah but it’s hard to publish snarktastic-or sustain for prolonged periods unless there’s a lot of ire behind it! #editorchat

[21:12:15] shortformernie: Branding yourself is as much your persona as your sloganeering. If people think of you as “that guy,” that’s killer branding. #editorchat

[21:12:31] spencerspellman: Editors have encouraged it to me, but have not wanted to be married to it, maybe in case it backfires? #editorchat

[21:12:43] lorilowe: @jennipps Great point. All my platform writing is in same voice. Freelance voice varies with project/client. #editorchat

[21:12:44] jimmcbee: @RBLevin that’s what #journchat is for. Cross of pr and editorial folks. #editorchat

[21:12:53] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful Well, and if you think about it, there’s only so much snark one can use to report on, oh, serial murder. #editorchat

[21:13:02] Single_Shot: @Willowbottom I’m hoping a person’s ‘brand’ can shift over time. Book 1 brand-quirky food history; book 2-quirky wit period. #editorchat

[21:13:31] shortformernie: Which is why I’m going to start calling myself “the 13 year old blogger,” like @timecommander even though I’m almost 28 πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[21:13:33] hinder: I’m working the website for a new teen pub and even those editors don’t get the importance of utilizing social media It’s a prob #editorchat

[21:13:35] standupkid: @Single_Shot That’s a deal. Sigh. #editorchat

[21:13:36] BeckyDMBR: @KarenLynch That and ASK editors what they expect regarding voice / persona. #editorchat

[21:13:37] RBLevin: @milehighfool Hashtagged conversations where people butt in and post a pitch or an ad using the tag. #editorchat

[21:13:38] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee Thanks Jim, you took the words… πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:13:47] wordful: @BeckyDMBR Yeah, and corporate greed. #editorchat

[21:13:47] merylkevans: @milehighfool That’s true, too. My kids interest me, but it won’t interest readers unless it’s a story with a topic of interest. #editorchat

[21:13:58] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Sure it can. Like Lydia says. Reliable = brand that goes with you wherever. #editorchat

[21:14:13] kristoforlawson: what are we talking about today? #editorchat

[21:14:14] RBLevin: @jimmcbee So you would find it intrusive if flacks pitched in #editorchat? I feel most would and it should be avoided.

[21:14:27] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans it’s a fine line to walk talking about your personal stuff in the context of an article #editorchat

[21:15:09] milehighfool: @RBLevin We don’t allow it. Pitching is for #journchat. #editorchat

[21:15:12] spencerspellman: I think reliability and understanding of Social Media is key, if not then it could be bad for both the writer and editor #editorchat

[21:15:35] jimmcbee: @RBLevin bingo … I think @LydiaBreakfast, @milehighfool want us to stay on point. #editorchat

[21:15:36] LydiaBreakfast: @RBLevin we state clearly in our guidelines that this chat is a tool for writers and editors to work together, not pitch stories #editorchat

[21:15:40] anndouglas: The PR people associated with my book division aren’t on Twitter yet. Other parts of huge pub co are. #editorchat

[21:15:49] hotspringer: I’ve said this before re: online brand. Your behavior becomes your avatar. #editorchat

[21:16:03] Willowbottom: @Single_Shot I have a friend who did that – first book memoir, second contemporary/historical romance #editorchat

[21:16:04] wetzeledit: @spencerspellman Agree, sometimes perhaps a bad online presence is no better than none – maybe worse in some cases. #editorchat

[21:16:12] timecommander: @shortformernie The only thing I can promise by that is a ton of attention (and many 55 year old moms getting mad at you) #editorchat

[21:16:18] milehighfool: @merylkevans Touche. Regardless, I think if you don’t get juiced by the topic, it’ll be difficult to write. #editorchat

[21:16:22] RBLevin: @milehighfool I am speaking more broadly, beyond #editorchat. If people are hashchatting, is it rude to pitch?

[21:16:28] spencerspellman: RT @hotspringer I’ve said this before re: online brand. Your behavior becomes your avatar. #editorchat

[21:16:28] kristoforlawson: @spencerspellman – true! It is important to understand what social media is, it is hugely important in todays market #editorchat

[21:16:29] wordful: RT @hotspringer I’ve said this before re: online brand. Your behavior becomes your avatar. Well said. #editorchat

[21:16:31] KB_Alan: RT @booksquare: for those who weren’t aware, #editorchat is going on right now.

[21:16:34] Single_Shot: @Willowbottom That’s a large leap. Did it work for her okay? #editorchat

[21:16:42] RBLevin: @milehighfool Also, you can’t really stop it, can you? #editorchat

[21:16:43] shortformernie: @hotspringer That’s the point I was trying to make! *high five* #editorchat

[21:16:43] jennipps: @hotspringer I’ve seen both good and bad examples of that to prove the point. ANd when they;’re bad, YIKES! #editorchat

[21:16:53] milehighfool: RT @hotspringer: I’ve said this before re: online brand. Your behavior becomes your avatar. (Agreed.) #editorchat

[21:16:55] spencerspellman: @wetzeledit Yeah I would say that it’s usually worse #editorchat

[21:17:09] merylkevans: @milehighfool Definitely. I struggle the most with articles with a topic that doesn’t grip me as much. #editorchat

[21:17:15] JDEbberly: RT @hotspringer I’ve said this before re: online brand. Your behavior becomes your avatar. #Editorchat

[21:17:25] jimmcbee: My online ‘brand’ must be all over the place, as my interests and attitudes vary a lot. πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[21:17:25] LydiaBreakfast: Q2 again, writers, are your publishers asking you to brand yourself using SM, or do you already do that? #editorchat

[21:17:37] milehighfool: @RBLevin No question. Why wouldn’t it be? #editorchat

[21:17:40] Willowbottom: @Single_Shot I think so – her first book sold well, her second just got accepted and I believe is out next year. #editorchat

[21:17:53] shortformernie: @timecommander Why do the 55-year-old moms get mad at you? #editorchat

[21:17:54] spencerspellman: @hotspringer Excellent comment about your behavior, totally agree. #editorchat

[21:18:02] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee there is that multiple personality thing again πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:18:11] stephauteri: @jimmcbee: I’m with you. I have a tough time coming up with a nice and neat elevator pitch for myself. #editorchat

[21:18:26] stephauteri: @jimmcbee: Then again, it’s nice being the go-to person for SOMEthing. #editorchat

[21:18:36] hinder: Changing your niche/diversifying is possible. I covered real estate for years and slowly fought to break out through small gigs. #editorchat

[21:18:40] kristoforlawson: I think SM should be an automatic response to the current market, you shouldn’t need to be asked if you are good at your job #editorchat

[21:18:45] milehighfool: @RBLevin No, but you can ignore it. You’ve been a journalist, Rich. What about your online ID? Differ by the medium? #editorchat

[21:19:08] BeckyDMBR: What does that mean exactly … your brand as a writer? #editorchat

[21:19:11] JDEbberly: Q2: I use SM to brand myself, have been for some time. #Editorchat

[21:19:20] jimmcbee: @LydiaBreakfast Hey, that’s Ernie’s brand. Color me ADHD. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:19:22] PR_Student: What’s an elevator pitch #editorchat

[21:19:26] RBLevin: @milehighfool That was the answer, pro or con, that I was after. #editorchat

[21:19:50] mammaloves: @BeckyDMBR Are you part of discussion right now? #editorchat??

[21:19:51] Single_Shot: Q2: Never had anyone ASK me 2 do social media. But it makes editors/agents light up when you tell them you do. #editorchat

[21:19:52] timecommander: @shortformernie A thirteen year old kid shouldn’t be on Twitter, apparently. #editorchat

[21:20:04] jennipps: @spencerspellman See ya, Spencer. Glad you could stay even for a bit. #editorchat

[21:20:04] LydiaBreakfast: RT @kristoforlawson I think SM should be automatic response to the current market (agreed) #editorchat

[21:20:05] milehighfool: Flip side of the brand question: Not sure it has a financial impact. Look at the NYT. Plenty of their writers have great brands. #editorchat

[21:20:09] UrbanMuseWriter: @PR_Student it’s a short, succinct way of saying what you do #editorchat

[21:20:10] RBLevin: @milehighfool Not sure what you mean? I use one ID for hacking and flacking, since I’m always me. #editorchat

[21:20:15] kristoforlawson: @PR_Student – an elevator pitch is a short pitch which you would give someone in the time it takes to ride an elevator #editorchat

[21:20:22] Sascha_Zuger: @milehighfool Sorry — got bumped. Yes, it’s not often authors are brought together and I believe nearly everyone attended. #editorchat

[21:20:32] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Oooooo. Who are these editors? Names please πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:20:38] jimmcbee: @stephauteri Have no interest in being well-known. However, I could see value in branding for Smartnews purposes. #editorchat

[21:20:38] UrbanMuseWriter: @PR_Student if you’re on the elevator with a CEO, you have until he gots off at the top floor to wow him. What will you say? #editorchat

[21:20:39] wordful: @PR_Student a quick description that neatly sums up what you do. Something you could tell someone while taking an elevator. #editorchat

[21:20:41] LydiaBreakfast: @PR_Student describing yourself and your biz concisely as in, the time it takes to ride the elevator #editorchat

[21:20:44] Matt_scherer: @PR_student, it’s the twitter version of selling yourself. Toastmasters teaches you how to do it very effectively #editorchat

[21:20:48] jennipps: RT @Single_Shot Q2: Never had anyone ASK me 2 do social media. But it makes editors/agents light up when you tell them you do. #editorchat

[21:20:49] stephauteri: @PR_Student: http://liltext.com/dja It’s like a brief means of explaining all that it is you do and have to offer. #editorchat

[21:20:55] KarenLynch: Re Q2: I’m not a published author (yet) but included SM in book proposal I recently submitted to a publisher. Thought it prudent #editorchat

[21:21:03] RBLevin: @milehighfool I’m not asking if I can pitch here. I’m surveying to settle a debate. I maintain it *is* rude. #editorchat

[21:21:10] SpecialDee: A speaker has a voice. The voice has a tone. The tone creates the brand. #editorchat

[21:21:21] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @PR_Student describing yourself and your biz concisely as in, the time it takes to ride the elevator #editorchat #Ed …

[21:21:27] jennipps: SM involvement might be something to include when I meet with an editor or agent at a conference next weekend… #editorchat

[21:21:30] JDEbberly: RT @SpecialDee: A speaker has a voice. The voice has a tone. The tone creates the brand. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:21:30] hotspringer: Q2: My golf-addict husband tries new drivers, putters to improve his game. As a freelance journo, I do SM to stay IN the game. #editorchat

[21:21:34] hinder: Q2: I ‘social media’ for 2 of my freelance gigs. It wasn’t editor requested, but building a brand for both was a must. #editorchat

[21:21:35] wetzeledit: RT Single_Shot Q2: Never had anyone ASK me 2 do social media. But it makes editors/agents light up when you tell them you do #editorchat

[21:21:48] wordful: Wow, we all jumped on that elevator pitch question, huh? #editorchat

[21:21:53] anndouglas: @hinder Agree. Mainly known for writing about pregnancy/parenting, but have been writing about motherhood, politics lately. #editorchat

[21:21:55] Single_Shot: @Willowbottom That’s great. As a writer w/multiple interests/voices (fiction, nonfiction, humor, etc), it’s hard 2 narrow focus. #editorchat

[21:22:03] kristoforlawson: @milehighfool – but are the writers branded on what they have already done as a writer? #editorchat

[21:22:04] wordful: What is the reference to SM? #editorchat

[21:22:09] merylkevans: Q2: SM is today what web pages was in 1995. Few do it at first, but essential later. Most have an idea how to set up web page. #editorchat

[21:22:18] LydiaBreakfast: @wordful that is the spirit of this thing – helpful #editorchat

[21:22:30] KarenLynch: @wordful Social Media = SM #editorchat

[21:22:38] spencerspellman: @hinder I agree it helps out you and the editor or at least that’s how it should help. #editorchat

[21:22:44] AlbrightDC: RT @kristoforlawson I think SM should be an automatic response to the current market, you shouldn’t need to be asked #editorchat

[21:22:46] JMegonigal: Ack! 11% juice and no charger tonight. Fun #editorchat while it lasted. Sorry to run, ‘night all!

[21:22:56] wordful: @KarenLynch right, now I feel dumb! #editorchat

[21:23:11] milehighfool: Also, if all querying is selling, shouldn’t you have a verifiable brand to pitch? Social media can help, I think. #editorchat

[21:23:16] spencerspellman: @hinder Promote and connect you , while promoting and connecting the editor/publication #editorchat

[21:23:30] Willowbottom: @merylkevans and the barriers to entry SM are less and less every time there’s an innovation. #editorchat

[21:23:42] Single_Shot: @milehighfool I may be thinking more of book editors. But my beat editors LOVE it when I’m picked up by media. SM 2, no doubt. #editorchat

[21:23:43] spencerspellman: Gotta run now. Thanks. I enjoyed it all. #editorchat

[21:23:59] shortformernie: @timecommander To those moms I say, “You’re crazy.” You’re an innovator, not a bad kid. #editorchat

[21:24:04] timecommander: @wordful Ha, it took me a second to get it as well, Charles. But being thirteen gives me an excuse! #editorchat

[21:24:12] kristoforlawson: RT @merylkevans: Q2: SM is today what web pages was in 1995. Few do it at first #editorchat

[21:24:20] milehighfool: @kristoforlawson Yes, and that, increasingly, incliudes blogs and social media. #editorchat

[21:24:22] stephauteri: RT @milehighfool: Also, if all querying is selling, shouldn’t you have a verifiable brand to pitch? #editorchat

[21:24:42] merylkevans: @Willowbottom Exactly. What seems geeky to some now will work like using Word later. It gets easier for all to use. #editorchat

[21:24:47] shortformernie: @KarenLynch I’m so happy the name isn’t “Social and Media.” Then @timecommander would have to leave the room. #editorchat

[21:24:47] wordful: @timecommander actually less of an excuse since you are 13! #editorchat

[21:24:48] Single_Shot: @KarenLynch Smart cookie re SM in book proposal! #editorchat

[21:24:49] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Pitching is selling, but I don’t think that SM verifies your “brand”… #editorchat

[21:24:55] stephauteri: @milehighfool: I agree. And when your brand stretches across multiple platforms, it’s also a good indicator of your versatility. #editorchat

[21:24:58] justicefergie: @mammaloves what’s the #editorchat discussion about?

[21:25:05] jimmcbee: I hate selling. Even when I believe in the product. #editorchat

[21:25:07] obilon: Jumping in here for a bit. Anyone got a link to the “rules”? #editorchat

[21:25:09] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Same here. I was interviewed by the NYT last year for an iPhone story — great pub for the Fool. #editorchat

[21:25:15] timecommander: @wordful HAHA! True indeed! #editorchat

[21:25:28] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Brand is highly misunderstood – mistaken for advertising/notoriety… #editorchat

[21:25:52] ErikSherman: @milehighfool When it’s the encapsulation of doing business with a person/company. #editorchat

[21:25:53] LydiaBreakfast: @obilon all info on editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:25:56] milehighfool: @ErikSherman You don’t think your network is part of your brand as a writer? Who you know? Who you’ve done biz with? #editorchat

[21:26:08] timecommander: @shortformernie They say it’s dangerous and I do agree with them to an extent, but they completely blow it out of proportion. #editorchat

[21:26:12] Single_Shot: @KarenLynch SM is social media. I thought we were talking about sadism & masochism? ; ) #editorchat

[21:26:14] kristoforlawson: shouldn’t your work ultimately brand you, and SM is just a tool for you to connect with your audience #editorchat

[21:26:14] wordful: RT @stephauteri when your brand stretches across multiple platforms, it’s also a good indicator of your versatility. [Awesome!] #editorchat

[21:26:22] DougLance: Where are the writers editing each others work? #editorchat

[21:26:25] stephauteri: @jimmcbee: Ha! I feel as if selling myself is the toughest thing of all. It denotes a high level of belief in your worth. #editorchat

[21:26:37] DougLance: Where are the writers editing each others work on twitter? #editorchat

[21:27:30] shortformernie: BTW, to everyone adding me at @shortformernie, be sure to add @shortformblog too. I use this mostly for Tweet chats. #editorchat

[21:27:47] LydiaBreakfast: @stephauteri It is a struggle for a lot of freelancers, I think. #editorchat

[21:27:54] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Important point. But I also think it depends on the editor. Writing online principally, SM is important to my eds. #editorchat

[21:27:58] Single_Shot: @milehighfool I bet they LOVED you after the NYT interview! #editorchat

[21:28:01] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Certainly who you’ve done business with counts, but that goes to experience. #editorchat

[21:28:07] hotspringer: RT @stephauteri when your brand stretches across multiple platforms, it’s also a good indicator of your versatility. [Awesome!] #editorchat

[21:28:34] merylkevans: “If I am not for myself, who will be for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?” SM makes it possible #editorchat

[21:28:38] ErikSherman: @milehighfool But it’s much more than a list. I know people with good-sounding credits that I’d never hire. #editorchat

[21:28:40] jimmcbee: @stephauteri C’mon, you write for nerve. If that don’t give you the aura of cool, I dunno how to help ya. #editorchat

[21:28:46] stephauteri: @LydiaBreakfast: True. It ties in with the difficulty of setting rates, as well. But that’s a whole other convo… #editorchat

[21:28:52] timecommander: @shortformernie …and following. #editorchat

[21:29:05] KarenLynch: @Single_Shot Oh, what a difference an ampersand makes #editorchat

[21:29:05] bacigalupe: an aside, coming late today, great link with 20 books for the freelancer http://tinyurl.com/cdv3v9 suggested by @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat

[21:29:11] SpecialDee: When you blog a combination of personal and business posts, who owns them, you or your boss? #editorchat

[21:29:16] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot No, that’s S-*AND*-M. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:29:19] anti9to5guide: Hey all, popping in late while on a deadline. Michelle Goodman, freelance writer/author who needs a vacation. #editorchat

[21:29:19] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman which is why it is important to develop a voice and a following #editorchat

[21:29:20] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Yes. Who you know doesn’t count? Who has commented on your work via SM, for example? #editorchat

[21:29:21] stephauteri: @jimmcbee: aaahaha. Touche. #editorchat

[21:29:25] obilon: What question are we at or is it open to discuss all of them? #editorchat

[21:29:30] Sascha_Zuger: @LydiaBreakfast (sorry, bumped) Inspiring meeting – http://tinyurl.com/dj55dc #editorchat

[21:29:32] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast I fought the blog and the blog won. #editorchat

[21:29:48] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Ultimately, the editor wants to know that you can communicate a story in the format in question. #editorchat

[21:29:56] milehighfool: @ErikSherman More precisely, I’ve never been published in BusinessWeek but editors there have tweeted my articles. #editorchat

[21:30:08] kristoforlawson: @SpecialDee – depends on your contract… but I would say you should own everything you write, but licence it to your work #editorchat

[21:30:18] anti9to5guide: @Single_Shot Ain’t that the truth (re your blog). It’s great though. #editorchat

[21:30:19] Single_Shot: @BeckyDMBR @KarenLynch Details, details! #editorchat

[21:30:19] milehighfool: @ErikSherman No doubt. That’s the bottom line. #editorchat

[21:30:20] ErikSherman: @milehighfool So, for example, a book editor won’t automatically go for a magazine writer who has never actually done a book. #editorchat

[21:30:23] jennipps: RT @ErikSherman @milehighfool Ultimately, the editor wants to know that you can communicate a story in the format in question. #editorchat

[21:30:27] BeckyDMBR: @KarenLynch The little symbol with the big name. #editorchat

[21:30:44] jimmcbee: @stephauteri will have to dig into yr blog to see how you reconcile writing for nerve w/ being self-described ‘recluse’ #editorchat

[21:30:49] LydiaBreakfast: @obilon Q2 again, writers, are your publishers asking you to brand yourself using SM, or do you already do that? #editorchat

[21:30:59] BeckyDMBR: @SpecialDee Depends on how the contract’s written. #editorchat

[21:31:03] Willowbottom: @milehighfool Isn’t that 2 degrees from being published in BusinessWeek though? So close, so close… #editorchat

[21:31:05] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman which is why it is important to develop a voice and a following #editorchat

[21:31:08] stephauteri: RT @ErikSherman @milehighfool Ultimately, the editor wants to know that you can communicate a story in the format in question. #editorchat

[21:31:17] gmarkham: @SpecialDee If you’re doing it as part of your job, the company owns them. #editorchat

[21:31:19] obilon: @LydiaBreakfast Thank you again. #editorchat

[21:31:25] anndouglas: @SpecialDee The contract should specify rights. http://www.asja.org and other writers’ orgs have good rights info. #editorchat

[21:31:40] stephauteri: @jimmcbee: ::sigh:: An incredibly conflicted life. #editorchat

[21:31:46] ErikSherman: @milehighfool For editors I know, “who you know” means sources, not necessarily others commenting on work … #editorchat

[21:31:47] JDEbberly: RT @ErikSherman @milehighfool Ultimately, the editor wants to know that you can communicate a story in the format in question. #Editorchat

[21:31:50] milehighfool: @Willowbottom I know. Such teases, they are πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:31:53] anti9to5guide: Q2: My book publisher asks me to SM like crazy. Not sure my other editors have time to ponder it. #editorchat

[21:32:13] ErikSherman: @milehighfool And for online work, one real interest is whether you can create traffice… #editorchat

[21:32:16] merylkevans: @LydiaBreakfast Q2: Doing it myself. I’m a lone freelancer and fully booked. I think SM makes a big difference in my biz. #editorchat

[21:32:20] stephauteri: Q2: My editors haven’t asked me to brand myself, but I have offered to help them move into SM. #editorchat

[21:32:25] ErikSherman: @milehighfool or traffic without a final e. <s> #editorchat

[21:32:33] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast Already do it. See my personal brand as being separate from my book brand. #editorchat

[21:32:34] rachelcw: oh bummer, I keep coming home too late for #editorchat

[21:32:35] anti9to5guide: Q2: I’ve also had people interview me re freelancing who ask me to SM the heck out of the Q&A. #editorchat

[21:32:44] jimmcbee: @stephauteri oh well, no conflict, no dramatic tension. No drama, no story. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:32:45] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman I don’t think that is a hard and fast rule, look at @dooce, blogger got a book deal because of her style #editorchat

[21:32:59] bacigalupe: @LydiaBreakfast well, I should do less SM to get more written πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:33:04] ErikSherman: @milehighfool They may have, but then they’re reacting not to your presence on SM, but to your writing #editorchat

[21:33:13] hotspringer: Welcome, @rachelcw. #editorchat

[21:33:13] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Yep. I mean that, too. But a successful query of mine included that BW reference. #editorchat

[21:33:21] anti9to5guide: @anndouglas That’s interesting re your two brands. Can you elaborate on waht they are? #editorchat

[21:33:27] LydiaBreakfast: @bacigalupe that is the challenge my friend πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:33:32] SpecialDee: @anndouglas Thanks. I ask because some blogs have advertising, so who makes the $, you or your boss? Will check http://www.asja.org #editorchat

[21:33:38] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Actually, not necessarily the bottom line, because it has to be the right kind of traffic. #editorchat

[21:33:43] Willowbottom: @rachelcw My strategy is to just not leave the office. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:33:43] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast And her audience. #editorchat

[21:33:44] Sascha_Zuger: @LydiaBreakfast Penguin had me set up a blog under my pen name & included pseudonym email address on jacket to connect w/readers #editorchat

[21:34:09] Dark_Faust: Q2: Still a lot of journos in the technology trade professions that see most SM as a waste of time. #editorchat

[21:34:33] anndouglas: @Sascha_Zuger There’s always that…. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:34:52] DougLance: What is SM? #editorchat

[21:35:02] bob_bobala: @Dark_Faust Oh yes, they rebel against it. Don’t see the big picture. #editorchat

[21:35:14] jimmcbee: @Dark_Faust Sure can be. I spose if you’re disciplined, you use it to cultivate sources, not goof off. #editorchat

[21:35:15] LydiaBreakfast: @DougLance SM = social media #editorchat

[21:35:24] obilon: @Dark_Faust Really? They see SM as a waste b/c it does nothing to promote them? Or a time suck with no ROI? #editorchat

[21:35:34] jimmcbee: @DougLance SM=social media #editorchat

[21:35:35] milehighfool: Framing the question somewhat differently? Is social media critical to you as a writer? Editor? #editorchat

[21:35:55] bacigalupe: heard this expression in yoga the other day: “gravity surfing”, well, this is how it feels to balance the SM and the writing #editorchat

[21:36:04] ErikSherman: @LydiaBreakfast It’s not hard and fast, but it’s a hurdle. However, having a “platform” and audience is a bigger hurdle. #editorchat

[21:36:18] hinder: Seriously, anyone who thinks SM is a waste of time doesn’t understand their audience. #editorchat

[21:36:25] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Not critical. But can definitely help with book promo. I have yet to see direct payoff for freelance articles/work #editorchat

[21:36:29] anndouglas: Odd. “There’s always that” was meant for @bacigalupe Sorry to confuse u @Sascha_Zuger #editorchat

[21:36:29] jennipps: @milehighfool I’m finding it increasingly important to me as a writer. Eds are finding me via social media, surprisingly (to me) #editorchat

[21:36:37] Dark_Faust: wrt Q2: How about editors that are SM behind corp wall, i.e., still promoting their own brand. Many readers don’t know or care #editorchat

[21:36:41] stephauteri: @milehighfool: As a writer, its been critical to me in building my profile within certain niches. #editorchat

[21:36:54] milehighfool: @Dark_Faust I think it depends on who you’re referring to. I know a lot of tech trade writers who use SM often, and well. #editorchat

[21:37:03] Single_Shot: @jimmcbee I definitely use Twitter to find sources. #editorchat

[21:37:09] JDEbberly: RT @hinder: Seriously, anyone who thinks SM is a waste of time doesn’t understand their audience. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:37:16] stephauteri: @milehighfool: On the less critical but still important level, it’s helped me to build a supportive community around myself. #editorchat

[21:37:17] jimmcbee: @milehighfool It’s becoming more and more helpful for source farming. Have yet to find many publishers or investors, tho. πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[21:37:43] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust Probably because their rightly skeptical about much touted tech – they’ve seen it the morning after. #editorchat

[21:37:51] kristoforlawson: @Dark_Faust – I think most journos are catching on pretty well, but there are a few still confused about it all #editorchat

[21:37:56] Single_Shot: @jimmcbee And, um, there is a fair amount of goofing off, too. #editorchat

[21:38:00] anndouglas: @anti9to5guide Sure. There’s me (Ann Douglas) the writer. There’s THE MOTHER OF ALL the book brand. #editorchat

[21:38:05] rachelcw: @Willowbottom excellent and tragic option! and something I’m regularly guilty of #editorchat

[21:38:12] shortformernie: @milehighfool Social media is an amazing way to let people know that you’re for real and serious about your abilities and craft. #editorchat

[21:38:17] rachelcw: hello all and my apologies for dropping in so late #editorchat

[21:38:25] LydiaBreakfast: SM has completely changed the way I do business, and expanded my reach exponentially. Just look at my twosse. #editorchat

[21:38:27] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide So as a marketing and brand development tool rather than a biz dev tool? #editorchat

[21:38:28] bob_bobala: I actually see a huge payoff on TurboTax. Our content doesn’t answer everybody’s questions, so users can answer each other’s Qs. #editorchat

[21:38:30] Dark_Faust: Does SM really provide ROI? Not for flacks but for editors/writers? Any one have actual data? #editorchat

[21:38:43] DougLance: #editorchat — I think this is the beginning of SM. A group of people fighting for influence leaves everyone powerless. Common goals ispower

[21:38:46] stephauteri: And I second @Single_Shot. It’s a great way to find sources. #editorchat

[21:39:04] shortformernie: @milehighfool And it strokes my ego in a way that I can’t get in my offline life, because I’m otherwise cold and alone. πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[21:39:08] ErikSherman: @anti9to5guide I’ve actually gotten assignments by pointing an editor to a blog entry I did and treating it as a full query. #editorchat

[21:39:15] milehighfool: @jimmcbee “Source farming.” What a great phrase. #editorchat

[21:39:20] KarenLynch: @jennipps They’re finding me, too … but why … why are they following me? Editors? Why do you follow freelancers? #editorchat

[21:39:26] jimmcbee: @Single_Shot LinkedIn has been good for med. policy sources. Not much is good for medical coding sources, though. #editorchat

[21:39:28] anndouglas: Don’t want to be linked exclusively to the brand (do a lot of other things) so I have to brand myself separately. #editorchat

[21:40:01] anti9to5guide: @anndouglas Ah, smart. Your series has a great title! #editorchat

[21:40:07] GirlsSentAway: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @PR_Student describing yourself and your biz concisely as in, the time it takes to ride the elevator #editorchat

[21:40:17] BeckyDMBR: @anndouglas Exactly. @dooce got a book deal for more than *just* her voice. #editorchat

[21:40:19] jennipps: @Dark_Faust No actual data but personal experience, yes. #editorchat

[21:40:20] Dark_Faust: @obilon The later – they see SM as another time sink with limited ROI. They may be right. But to reach new readers, need SM. #editorchat

[21:40:26] anti9to5guide: @ErikSherman Wow, fantastic. A 140-word pitch. At first contact? Or once you’ve already been working w/them? #editorchat

[21:40:28] milehighfool: @Dark_Faust Sure. I got a gig by being on Twitter. I know I’m not the only one. #editorchat

[21:40:31] thebrandbuilder: RT @LydiaBreakfast: “SM has completely changed the way I do business, and expanded my reach exponentially.” #editorchat

[21:40:38] shortformernie: By the way, I’m in the midst of rethinking my SFB format to be even more Twitter-oriented. Because that’s how important SM is. #editorchat

[21:40:45] rachelcw: @ErikSherman but don’t you find some editors don’t want articles that were previously blogged about by you? #editorchat

[21:40:52] stephauteri: Rt @shortformernie: And it strokes my ego in a way that I can’t get in my offline life, b/c I’m otherwise cold & alone. [aahaha] #editorchat

[21:40:52] jennipps: @KarenLynch I’ve wondered that before, too. I know why one is following me, via a RL friend’s recommendation #editorchat

[21:41:09] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust I think it’s still too soon for real ROI calc – you have to see how it works over time and then be able to measure. #editorchat

[21:41:10] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Marketing/branding, source hunting, and community bldg. Though I would like to use for biz dev. Just haven’t yet. #editorchat

[21:41:23] Single_Shot: @milehighfool @jimmcbee Re source farming. There is a fair amount of “weeding out” that has 2 be done sometimes, 2! #editorchat

[21:41:26] anndouglas: That’s one of the reasons I set up a separate Twitter account for @themotherofall – to try to create that separation. #editorchat

[21:41:44] JudySL: I was one of AOL’s community leaders back when “chat” consisted of BBs…I think we’re at the cusp of new usage #editorchat

[21:41:44] rachelcw: I got the best job offer of my career via Twitter and small gigs as well. It was the accessibility factor that sold these people #editorchat

[21:41:47] jimmcbee: @KarenLynch I follow ’em cos maybe they’ll wanna join in with my project, http://smartnewsnc.com #editorchat

[21:41:51] hinder: When I started tweeting for the teen pub, our weekly views doubled immediately, monthly doubled too. So yes, SM works. #editorchat

[21:41:51] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Actually, I lied I got a small speaking gig through Twitter earlier this year. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:41:52] milehighfool: RT @ErikSherman: @anti9to5guide I’ve gotten assignments by pointing an ed. to a blog I did and treating it as a full query. #editorchat

[21:41:53] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: “SM has completely changed the way I do business, and expanded my reach exponentially. #Editorchat

[21:41:54] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: “SM has completely changed the way I do business, and expanded my reach exponentially. #Editorchat

[21:42:04] Dark_Faust: @bob_bobala They are already established editors. SM seems like another time drag from the publisher. #editorchat

[21:42:18] kristoforlawson: how important will twitter be in the future… we have already seen how @aplusk can use it #editorchat

[21:42:23] Willowbottom: @Dark_Faust Regarding limited ROI, I suppose the question is: can they afford to be wrong? Worst that happens is you waste time. #editorchat

[21:42:30] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Yep. Wheat, meet chaff. #editorchat

[21:42:40] jennipps: @ErikSherman How do/can you measure ROI, though? THat’s eomthing I’ve never really understood. It’s not really quantifiable. #editorchat

[21:42:42] Single_Shot: @jimmcbee I use different places 4 different sources. Twitter is great 4 “real people” sources. HARO is good 4 pros & real peeps #editorchat

[21:42:49] Sascha_Zuger: @milehighfool Joining Twitter has been incredible boost, in my experience. #editorchat

[21:42:56] jimmcbee: Cold & alone? Now Ernie’s trespassin’ on MY brand. #editorchat

[21:42:57] anndouglas: @SpecialDee I’m paid to blog @torontostar + @yahoocanada (freelance; not an employee). Have my own blogs (profile link). #editorchat

[21:42:59] Dark_Faust: I think SM is key to engaging the future audience. It’s messy and loopsided, but is necessary. #editorchat

[21:42:59] UrbanMuseWriter: Yes, all of these are great uses RT @anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Marketing/branding, source hunting, and community bldg. #editorchat

[21:43:10] obilon: @Dark_Faust You engage readers better in SM than any other way. Q&A, updates, teasers, crowd sourcing, feedback – Immediately! #editorchat

[21:43:13] rachelcw: @Dark_Faust I think we’re all reestablishing ourselves via new mediums and expanded social networking opportunities #editorchat

[21:43:32] anti9to5guide: @Single_Shot I get sources through Facebook a lot. LinkedIn Questions too. #editorchat

[21:43:41] bob_bobala: @Dark_Faust Right, just more work! Well, I know tech editors that are completely afraid of SM. Think it undermines them. #editorchat

[21:43:48] dianavilibert: Hello #editorchat! @MarieClaire Mag associate web editor here (fashionably late?) coming out of hiding & stopping by for a bit! #editorchat

[21:43:49] JenniferPerillo: @rachelcw Agree about article prev blogged about. I used to hold onto ideas for that very reason. #editorchat

[21:43:50] jimmcbee: @Single_Shot not familiar with HARO. #editorchat

[21:43:56] JudySL: the only prob with twitter is that it’s hard to really pinpoint and target when you’re source hunting, don’tcha think? #editorchat

[21:44:00] obilon: @Single_Shot Agreed. Different SM venues for different types of sources and info gathering. Good way to think about it. #editorchat

[21:44:04] garylwest: On my work Twitter account we now have 600 followers in a few months. Took 2 years to get to 200 e-letter subscribers. #editorchat

[21:44:14] milehighfool: RT @anti9to5guide: @Single_Shot I get sources through Facebook a lot. LinkedIn Questions too. #editorchat

[21:44:15] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot Ever been in a newsroom? Goofing off is sometimes required. [grin] #editorchat

[21:44:27] Dark_Faust: @Willowbottom Risk analysis – good approach. I agree with you. But most editors w/ traditional pubs are just plain worn out. #editorchat

[21:44:31] LydiaBreakfast: @Willowbottom the rule of thumb for new ventures is fail fast. On Twitter, you’ll see in a skinny minute how fast it works #editorchat

[21:44:32] Sascha_Zuger: @dianavilibert Hi, Diana! #editorchat

[21:44:37] anndouglas: @ErikSherman What an efficient way to pitch an editor. Great tip! #editorchat

[21:44:52] rachelcw: @JenniferPerillo though I think that if presented more as a teaser with the opportunity for a full fledged feature it might work #editorchat

[21:44:55] jennipps: @jimmcbee I’ve found great sources through #HARO – http://www.helpareporter.com – run/founded by @skydiver #editorchat

[21:44:57] BeckyDMBR: @rachelcw Hey! No need to apologize. Pull up a chair. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:44:58] ErikSherman: @Willowbottom That’s one reason I’m trying out twitter – don’t expect a fast payback and the cost is low. It’s worth the try. #editorchat

[21:45:11] milehighfool: @JudySL Yes, but hashtags improve the process. HARO (Help a Reporter Out) by @skydiver is an excellent tool. #editorchat

[21:45:16] merylkevans: @jimmcbee HARO = helpareporter.com by @skydiver. I get a lot of help when I am short on sources from that awesome list. #editorchat

[21:45:24] standupkid: Twitter is a fast source and quote finding machine like nothing I’ve ever experienced. #editorchat

[21:45:28] Dark_Faust: @rachelcw Agree. I think we all have to try. We have to be engaged or we’ll miss the crucial wave. #editorchat

[21:45:28] Willowbottom: @Dark_Faust and that’s the rotten part-understand being worn out, chasing red herrings, but may be time to reevaluate self then. #editorchat

[21:45:31] rachelcw: thanks @beckydmbr & @hotspringer πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:45:39] ErikSherman: @jennipps Depends completely on your business model. No general answer. #editorchat

[21:45:52] Single_Shot: @milehighfool Some of the chaff’s been chafing as of late. ; ) #editorchat

[21:45:53] jimmcbee: @JudySL yeah, it’s a bit of a crapshoot. When you have enough followers interested in your topic area, it’s not so bad. #editorchat

[21:46:12] LydiaBreakfast: @dianavilibert Hi Diana, so glad you joined #editorchat

[21:46:30] wordful: Did we get to Q3 yet? #editorchat

[21:46:30] Zoeyjane: I’m totally eavesdropping on #editorchat. Is it considered that, in the twitterverse?

[21:46:55] obilon: @milehighfool HARO (Help a Reporter Out) by @skydiver is an excellent tool. (Agreed!) #editorchat

[21:47:05] milehighfool: @dianavilibert Glad you could make it, Diana. Are you asking writers to use social media? How do you use it as an editor? #editorchat

[21:47:09] Dark_Faust: @ErikSherman Regarding hard ROI. I know that SM works for me, but whether it’s cost effective use of my time…don’t know. #editorchat

[21:47:10] JudySL: RT merylkevans @jimmcbee HARO = helpareporter.com by @skydiver. That and Profnet -great for experts! judy #editorchat

[21:47:17] Willowbottom: One thing I would say about Twitter is that it’s helped to vastly increase my repertoire of acronyms. 140 chars’ll do that to ya #editorchat

[21:47:17] LydiaBreakfast: Q3 Editors are you taking steps to create communities that will appeal to different demographics beyond your current readership? #editorchat

[21:47:27] hotspringer: Ditto on HARO. Led to follow-ups on Twitter. Story picked up by USAToday.com and WSJ.com. #editorchat

[21:47:30] Single_Shot: @jimmcbee HARO = Help a Reporter Out. Huge listserv of PR folks etc. where you can post for sources. It’s at helpareporter.com #editorchat

[21:47:36] ErikSherman: @garylwest But you can’t just count numbers. For example, if you have 100 followers and tweet a link, maybe get 3 or 4 clicks. #editorchat

[21:48:01] ErikSherman: @garylwest People opting into an e-letter are investing more time and commitment. #editorchat

[21:48:08] JudySL: @milehighfool hashtags help but still it’s hard to LOCALIZE things…queries go out all over the world… #editorchat

[21:48:10] jennipps: I got a LOT more info/replies than I needed for my last query on HARO. Might be able to use some for future articles. #editorchat

[21:48:22] Dark_Faust: @kristoforlawson Confused or just tired of their publisher’s asking them to try every new things that comes along. #editorchat

[21:48:40] GirlsSentAway: RT @UrbanMuseWriter: 1st person is easy, but it’s harder to make the reader feel like they’re there (w/out using “you”) #editorchat

[21:48:41] stephauteri: @jimmcbee: I second (third? fifth?) the HARO recommendation. That list is a lifesaver. #editorchat

[21:48:45] jimmcbee: thanks to everyone re: HARO. Will take it for a spin soon. #editorchat

[21:49:00] BeckyDMBR: @jimmcbee Look it up (HARO). It’s a great resource. @skydiver #editorchat

[21:49:15] CathyWebSavvyPR: RT @merylkevans HARO = helpareporter.com by @skydiver. I get a lot of help when I am short on sources from that awesome list. #editorchat

[21:49:28] rondoylewrites: Did I miss the outro? #editorchat

[21:49:41] anti9to5guide: @JudySL Haven’t had trouble connecting w/ the right sources on twitter based on query. If anything, I get extras 4 later pieces #editorchat

[21:49:58] jennipps: I think Tweetchat just quit working. #editorchat

[21:50:08] Dark_Faust: @milehighfool Yes – I know twitter works. Has allowed me to scoop an important story. It’s just that everything takes time. #editorchat

[21:50:12] CathyWebSavvyPR: @kikarose Helo, have you checked out #editorchat? it is Wednesday night 9-11? I think – you might get ideas 4 your writing.

[21:50:13] PR_Student: @anndouglas Do you think that would work? Just a link to a blog or SMR? #editorchat

[21:50:16] Single_Shot: @BeckyDMBR Love being in newsroom & miss it dreadfully. May have to invite some reporters over to hang in my kitchen office. #editorchat

[21:50:32] wordful: testing…not seeing updates on tweetchat #editorchat

[21:50:43] mariaelenaduron: I agree. HARO is the best! + if U follow @skydiver U’ll get updates of the most urgent stories of the day/moment #editorchat

[21:50:52] Willowbottom: The little ones don’t #editorchat and they’re home now – catch you all later. Thanks for the convo! #editorchat

[21:50:56] SpecialDee: If you’re using TweetDeck, do a search for #editorchat which creates a column just for tweets on that topic.

[21:50:58] garylwest: So did TweetChat crash, ore everyone just get quiet? #editorchat

[21:51:05] jimmcbee: Twitter seems to be choking, again. #editorchat

[21:51:13] Dark_Faust: @bob_bobala That’s not good. Why would it undermine them? Lots of tech folks use twitter. That’s why I’ve found it useful. #editorchat

[21:51:14] JDEbberly: RT @Sascha_Zuger: @milehighfool Joining Twitter has been incredible boost, in my experience. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:51:31] shortformernie: You guys still here? TweetChat got awful quiet. #editorchat

[21:51:33] dianavilibert: @milehighfool: Yes! We’re all about SM at @marieclaire mag, especially Twitter since we got on it in January. #editorchat #editorchat

[21:51:51] RBLevin: @garylwest Have you analyzed those followers? Many might be worthless. #editorchat

[21:52:44] Dark_Faust: But where does it end? In addition to Twitter, does everyone maintain sites on Facebook, LinkedIn, Plaxo, Ning, blog, etc … #editorchat

[21:52:53] TKFwriter: @anndouglas Hi Ann I’m confused. where’s your chat? Nothing happening at #editorchat I can see

[21:52:56] jennipps: Switched to TweetGrid. We’ll see if that works. #editorchat

[21:53:15] jennipps: @Zoeyjane Eavesdrop away & join in if you want. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:54:40] Hergett: Feeling like I’m missing out on #editorchat, but the news can’t wait. 😦

[21:55:09] anndouglas: @Zoeyjane I think once you declare your presence, you’re no longer eavesdropping. (Thinking of kid crouched at top of stairs.) #editorchat

[21:55:31] shortformernie: Alright all, I’m leaving for now. Need to update the blog. Ernie @shortformblog (http://shortformblog.com/) Fun as always. #editorchat

[21:55:32] LydiaBreakfast: @rondoylewrites five more min #editorchat

[21:55:40] sooutdoors: I have to scoot. Good chat as always. Drop by for some great Outdoors info & blogs http://www.sooutdoors.ca #editorchat

[21:55:44] ErikSherman: @JudySL To localize, you need to move into web searches, or indicate location in HARO/Profnet. #editorchat

[21:55:57] rachelcw: With many things-even traditional advertising it’s not as quantifiable as one might imagine,but results build over time-here too #editorchat

[21:56:03] obilon: @jennipps Mine did to for a bit. #editorchat

[21:56:06] merylkevans: @jennipps It did. Just reload it. Worked for me. #editorchat

[21:56:14] milehighfool: @rondoylewrites Not yet, Ron. We’re going to 10:10 b/c Twitter crashed for a few mins. #editorchat

[21:56:19] Single_Shot: @jimmcbee HARO’s worked really well 4 me. BUT you’ll often get inundated (& some sources reply to EVERY call, I swear). #editorchat

[21:56:20] jennipps: @wordful Switch to TweetGrid. It’s working for me. Seems like Tweetchat quit. #editorchat

[21:56:31] milehighfool: @Willowbottom Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[21:56:39] garylwest: @ErikSherman I understand your point, but we also see Twitter as now on of the top 10-15 refering domains to our site. #editorchat

[21:56:44] wordful: @garylwest not sure I got that lapse too #editorchat

[21:56:53] mariaelenaduron: @jennipps I think UR right. I just switched to tweetgrid b/c tweetchat was standing STILL. #editorchat

[21:57:07] anndouglas: Twitter saved my life last week when I needed to interview some Dads in a hurry – and all my usual Dads went AWOL. #editorchat

[21:57:09] CouplaJerks: @Dark_Faust We say pick one or two to focus on. We like linkedIn for business development and twitter for meeting new people #editorchat

[21:57:25] milehighfool: @Dark_Faust No doubt. Twitter is a regular r part of my task list. #editorchat

[21:57:34] jimmcbee: former editor @garylwest meet former employee @shortformernie #editorchat

[21:57:35] bob_bobala: @Dark_Faust Personally, I think they fear for their jobs, especially if the content out there is better than theirs. #editorchat

[21:57:44] garylwest: @RBLevin We are an ag publication. A lot are connected to ag industry or ag media. #editorchat

[21:57:50] anndouglas: I asked for help and had more than enough people to interview in less than an hour. I was so grateful & relieved. #editorchat

[21:57:51] LydiaBreakfast: Time to get ready for the out-tro folks. Let’s start wrapping up. Any more pearls about online identities? #editorchat

[21:58:02] Single_Shot: @Willowbottom Nice chatting w/another anti-pigeonholer. ; ) #editorchat

[21:58:40] milehighfool: @shortformernie It crashed for a few, Ernie. We’re taking an extra 10 min. to compensate. Intros begin at 10:05 tweeps. #editorchat

[21:58:41] bob_bobala: @jimmcbee Yeah, big twitter gag reflex. I think we’re in trouble. #editorchat

[21:58:44] jennipps: Thanks for the recs to reload Tweetchat. I did & still didn’t work, so I switched to TweetGrid. #editorchat

[21:58:50] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust You have to pick a few, I think – look for biggest ones in your areas of focus. #editorchat

[21:59:17] stephauteri: @Dark_Faust: I can’t keep up with those who are on every sm site out there. I can barely manage to maintain my blog & my Twitter #editorchat

[21:59:26] Single_Shot: I think Tweetchat just ran to the loo. #editorchat

[21:59:28] milehighfool: @TKFwriter Twitter was experiencing some problems but we’re back now, talkiing wriitng, brands and social media. #editorchat

[21:59:30] jennipps: @TKFwriter Try another client like Tweetgrid or Twitterfall or the like. #editorchat

[21:59:39] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust One ROI calc: look at how much time you save using SM and multiple it by billable rate. #editorchat

[21:59:49] bacigalupe: Q3 it really depends on what is the audience/niche, for some is the world, for others is pieces of it, diff. strategies in twtr #editorchat

[21:59:50] Dark_Faust: @Willowbottom #editorchat I think so. For me, I try all the SMs. Can’t top real experience to figure out where things are going.

[22:00:08] rachelcw: @Dark_Faust like so many other things balance is crucial. Exploration, integration, business model, goals and new developments #editorchat

[22:00:15] milehighfool: @Hergett There’s always next week πŸ™‚ I’ll be following you to the news desk shortly. #editorchat

[22:00:21] ErikSherman: @GaryLWest It may work well for you – still, there are customers and there are customers. I’m taking a direct marketing view. #editorchat

[22:00:24] RBLevin: @GaryLWest I’m sure. But a lot might well be noise. The raw numbers don’t tell the story. #editorchat

[22:01:10] RBLevin: @GaryLWest If you’re policing your followers, then the 600 you have are golden. #editorchat

[22:01:10] GirlsSentAway: RT @ErikSherman: @anti9to5guide I’ve gotten assignments by pointing an ed. to a blog I did and treating it as a full query. #editorchat

[22:01:12] LydiaBreakfast: wrapping in ten tweeps. Any more pearls about online identities? #editorchat

[22:01:25] JDEbberly: TweetGrid works like a Champ during chats πŸ™‚ http://tweetgrid.com #Editorchat

[22:01:29] Sascha_Zuger: @Dark_Faust I’m only on Twitter, will start blog on publisher’s site soon. #editorchat

[22:01:35] hinder: Hmm… Never used HARO before, but now I’m interested… #editorchat

[22:01:42] bob_bobala: Gotta run. Thanks, gang. Bob Bobala, among many other things, a fiction writer. Can read stuff here: exitstrategypress.com #editorchat

[22:01:43] ErikSherman: @rachelcw True enough. But I find that often you can get some quantification. #editorchat

[22:01:53] GirlsSentAway: RT @stephauteri: @milehighfool: As a writer, its been critical to me in building my profile within certain niches. #editorchat

[22:01:54] jimmcbee: Time for tacos! Have enjoyed the chat, folks. Take care and check out Smartnews when ya get a chance. #editorchat

[22:01:54] merylkevans: #editorchat

[22:01:57] milehighfool: @anndouglas I think the trick is timing and type. Finding Mac users to comment via Twitter is easy. CIOs? Not so much. #editorchat

[22:01:57] jennipps: @CouplaJerks Agreed. I do have IDs on Facebook & MySpace, too, but those are largely for friends/family. #editorchat

[22:01:59] RBLevin: @GaryLWest But if you don’t check each and every one as they sign up, the numbers can mislead you. #editorchat

[22:02:40] obilon: I find Twitter to be good for broad, general appeal questions. Once I get specific I need HARO, profnet or possibly LinkedIn. #editorchat

[22:03:04] dianavilibert: @Dark_Faust: You can’t possibly use everything to its potential–at @marieclaire, we’re most present on Twitter, FB, and MySpace #editorchat

[22:03:31] AbsoluteWrite: Forgot hashtag. . Social networking, marketing, branding, social media, and reputation are all entwined, they’re not synonyms #editorchat

[22:03:38] DaydreamWriter: How do you manage all of your work? #editorchat

[22:03:44] SpecialDee: For an idea on all the SM sites out there and whether or not your username is already taken, visit http://bit.ly/12prW #editorchat

[22:03:45] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast @mariaschneider has some great tips on tweeting authors/creating persona on her website Editorunleashed.com/ #editorchat

[22:04:09] milehighfool: Killjoy warning: seven minutes left. Re-introduce yourself and post a link if you’d like. #editorchat

[22:04:21] ErikSherman: @garylwest I could see SM being big in agriculture – lots of people working in isolated way. #editorchat

[22:04:25] KarenLynch: @LydiaBreakfast Thank you so much. What a great way to use Twitter. Have a good night. #editorchat

[22:04:26] PR_Student: Intros? #editorchat

[22:04:53] rachelcw: well, not sure if anyone is going to be at ASJA on Friday, but we’re going to be discussing this on my panel on Friday morning #editorchat

[22:04:56] milehighfool: RT @ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust One ROI calc: look at how much time you save using SM and multiply by billable rate. #editorchat

[22:05:05] JenniferPerillo: My tweetgrid seems to be grumpy tnight. Thanks for a great #editorchat again. Jennifer http://www.InJenniesKitchen.com

[22:05:14] mariaelenaduron: Yes, I agree it’s all about balance w/SM – it expands the field. #editorchat

[22:05:21] anndouglas: @PR_Student I didn’t quite understand your question — probably because I’m scrolling all over trying to keep up. DM me, ok? #editorchat

[22:06:29] anndouglas: @jimmcbee It is definitely having a v-e-r-y t-o-u-g-h t-i-m-e. #editorchat

[22:06:58] Dark_Faust: @Sascha_Zuger Blog on publishers site? Book or magazine pub? R U freelancer or staff? Curious who pays for blog #editorchat

[22:07:56] obilon: @milehighfool Agreed. Broad queries work well o Twitter. High level or specific ones, not so much. #editorchat

[22:08:13] jennipps: Jen, fl writer in south OK, contributor @ WritingforDollars.com & TutorialBlog.org. Now also @ 4HEALTH mag (as of today). #editorchat

[22:08:22] Sascha_Zuger: Night, all — nice chat, Lydia and Tim! #editorchat

[22:08:28] SpecialDee: LinkedIn has good discussions, not in real time. FriendFeed has good discussions, real time. #editorchat

[22:08:38] garylwest: @RBLevin I know more about the people following us on Twitter than our e-mail subscribers. And I’ve got follower from #agchat #editorchat

[22:08:39] Single_Shot: Thanx 4 another great chat folks! Diane Mapes, Seattle freelance journalist http://singleshotseattle.wordpress.com/ #editorchat

[22:08:47] Dark_Faust: @rachelcw Well, yes, I agree. But what are you on? I do FB, Twitter, linkedin, Ning, several blogs + write full time. #editorchat

[22:08:57] mariaelenaduron: RT @AbsoluteWrite Social networking, marketing, branding, social media, and reputation are all entwined, they’re not synonyms #editorchat

[22:09:15] anndouglas: @jennipps IFacebook for family/friends/close acquaintances. LinkedIn: Business. Twitter: Learning, connecting w/amazing ppl. #editorchat

[22:09:21] CassieTuttle: @milehighfool Darn! I missed the #editorchat again.

[22:09:25] LydiaBreakfast: Thanks to all for coming tonight, hiccups and all, we had a great time chatting with you! #editorchat

[22:09:43] PDXsays: took a phone call and completely missed #editorchat. will go thru the transcripts for the tasty info

[22:09:54] Dark_Faust: @ErikSherman How much time us save using SM? Save from what? Lost me #editorchat

[22:10:02] stephauteri: is ready to get into her pjs. Thanks for the chat! Writes about: Sex, relationships, & the freelance lifestyle. stephauteri.com #editorchat

[22:10:06] milehighfool: Time to close up shop. Continue as long as you’d like but, officially, we’re done for the week. Great chat, everyone. #editorchat

[22:10:17] anti9to5guide: Thx for great chat as usual. Michelle Goodman, writing about careers, freelancing, balance, pop culture: http://www.anti9to5guide.com #editorchat

[22:10:20] JDEbberly: For all the latest about PR/Blogging/Mktg/SEO/Writing/Tech/NewMedia —> @JDEbberly will keep you updated 7days/wk!! #Editorchat

[22:10:39] anndouglas: @JenniferPerillo I visited your blog quite a few times this week and was really inspired by the things you were cooking up. #editorchat

[22:10:40] SpecialDee: I blog at http://specialdee.wordpress.com about SM, newspapers, and subjects in that realm. #editorchat

[22:10:56] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust To figure an ROI on SM, one way is to look at where it saves you time, then calculate the dollar savings. #editorchat

[22:11:11] mariaelenaduron: @milehighfool I like twitanalyzer 4 all diff. aspects it looks at, then Favotter + retweetrank 4 measuring quality on twitter #editorchat

[22:11:19] Dark_Faust: @stephauteri Yes, exactly, so that’s the issue. Or the opportunity. All these things will be consolidated. But for now.. #editorchat

[22:11:26] Sascha_Zuger: @Dark_Faust HarperStudio has set up a blog for each of its authors on the website. I freelance mags/papers and write books. #editorchat

[22:11:26] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust When you know how much time you save, you know how much money you save at your billable rates. #editorchat

[22:11:32] obilon: Either Twitter or Tweetchat or both are SLOW… Good night. http://lonscohen.com #editorchat

[22:11:45] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust This doesn’t work for all benefits of SM, but will for many. #editorchat

[22:11:59] rachelcw: @Dark_Faust I explore all options, introduce myself and then engage most on the few that I feel works for me at any given time #editorchat

[22:12:26] jennipps: It’s been a great chat, everyone. #editorchat

[22:12:34] AbsoluteWrite: Thanks, everyone. Was interesting! #editorchat

[22:12:55] JDEbberly: Thank you for an excellent Editorchat, @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast ! I LOVE Editorchat! πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[22:13:02] anndouglas: See you next time, everyone. Thanks for everything, @LydiaBreakfast + @milehighfool #editorchat

[22:13:08] BeckyDMBR: These chats are great … thanks so much for another great one! #editorchat

[22:13:36] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Thanks! #editorchat

[22:13:46] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Thank you! #editorchat

[22:13:59] rachelcw: I freelance, am a marketer, do a lot of speaking lately, have written some books http://www.rachelweingartenbooks.com working on more #editorchat

[22:14:05] ErikSherman: Woops – make that freelance journalist, author, chief cook, bottlewasher – http://bit.ly/3CABa #editorchat

[22:14:13] jennipps: Might not be able to make it next week. Leaving for a conference next Thursday morning. #editorchat

[22:14:26] UrbanMuseWriter: Thanks @milehighfool & @LydiaBreakfast for #editorchat

[22:14:40] unearthingasia: #editorchat I blog at http://unearthingasia.com about Singapore, Jakarta, Hong Kong, Phillipines and… countries in the region of Asia πŸ˜‰

[22:14:46] anndouglas: @TKFwriter Sorry I didn’t see this until now. You follow #editorchat by searching for the term on TweetDeck or another piece of software.

[22:14:58] rachelcw: goodnight all. even though I was late to this party I’m always grateful for what I learn here! @Dark_Faust we can continue on DM #editorchat

[22:15:31] jennipps: Thanks @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for great hosting, cat-herding, & trying to keep us on track. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:15:48] Dark_Faust: #editorchat Crazy business, isn’t it? Snippets of conversations that tease without really satisfying. Well, until next week … ciao.

[22:16:28] JDEbberly: @jennipps Wish you the very best on that conference, Jen! Have a fabulous evening! πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[22:17:07] JDEbberly: RT @Dark_Faust: #editorchat Crazy business, isn’t it? Snippets of conversations that tease without really satisfying. Well, until next …

[22:21:15] anti9to5guide: @ogiovetti Yes, that’s exactly what it means. πŸ˜‰ No, social media (SM). Sorry, was in #editorchat for a little while. Check it out next Wed.

[22:25:34] lorilowe: @hinder: HARO is very helpful. I’ve found multiple sources for my book. Great tool. http://www.haro.com. #editorchat

[22:26:47] JenniferPerillo: @anndouglas Thanks. It’s always good to hear people like what I’m doing. #editorchat

[22:27:03] JDEbberly: RT @jennipps: Thanks @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for great hosting, cat-herding, & trying to keep us on track. πŸ™‚ #editorchat #Edito …

[22:27:42] shortformernie: Hey, too bad that Twitter ruined #editorchat for the evening. Still fun though as always. #editorchat

[22:27:51] papertyger: i missed #editorchat because i was busy screaming myself hoarse at a Rangers game. typical.

[22:27:56] rondoylewrites: Thanks to @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast. I left TweetDeck running during dinner and returned to great questions and answers! #editorchat

Written by LydiaBreakfast

April 28, 2009 at 2:17 pm

What We Are Discussing on #editorchat on 4/22

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Julia Angwin, Senior Technology Editor, WSJ.com, The Wall Street Journal, will be our second guest host for #editorchat this Wednesday, April 22, from 8:30-10pm pm EST.Β Β  Here are the questions up for discussion:

1) Do you have multiple online identities for your writing life and other parts of your life?
2) Do you feel its important to separate the two parts of your life – personal and professional? Or are they intertwined?
3) How does your online identity (or identities) help or hinder your writing life?
4) If you have multiple identities online how do you separate them? Different usernames? Different services?
5) Do you feel that multiple identities helps you develop multiple audiences? Or is it best to aggregate an audience under one identity?

Julia Angwin is a Pulitzer Prize-winning technology editor and columnist at The Wall Street Journal. She is also the author of β€œStealing MySpace: The Battle to Control the Most Popular Website in America” (Random House, March 2009).

She started her journalism career as an intern at The Washington Post, followed by stints at two small wire-services in Washington D.C. She joined the San Francisco Chronicle in 1996, where she was awarded β€œOutstanding Young Journalist of the Year” by the Northern California chapter of the Society of Professional Journalists and was awarded a Knight-Bagehot fellowship in journalism for studies at Columbia Business School.

In 2000, she joined the Wall Street Journal and began covering technology and the dot-com boom from an East Coast perspective. In 2003, she was on a team of reporters at The Wall Street Journal that was awarded the Pulitzer Prize in Explanatory Reporting for coverage of corporate corruption.

Written by LydiaBreakfast

April 21, 2009 at 1:42 pm

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Transcript of #editorchat 4/15

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[20:30:11] milehighfool: And we’re live. Please introduce yourself when you join. #editorchat

[20:30:25] joecortez: @LydiaBreakfast I think I’ll be in good company then! πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[20:30:41] LydiaBreakfast: @wordful hey there, what time is it in your neck of the woods/ocean πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:30:56] JDEbberly: @BeckyDMBR Editorchat’ll be starting in under a minute, Becky! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:31:23] LydiaBreakfast: An official welcome from your co-moderator Lydia Dishman, freelance business journalist, also covering travel, food and style #editorchat

[20:31:30] wordful: Charles here of wordful.com in Kamuela, Hawaii. Aloha! @LydiaBreakfast it’s 2:30 pm. #editorchat

[20:32:15] joecortez: Hi Everyone! I’m a journalist turned freelance writer looking to learn about this crazy business from other great freelancers! #editorchat

[20:32:20] JDEbberly: Hello all! I’m JD Ebberly from North VA. I write pieces about blogging and New Media #editorchat

[20:32:21] milehighfool: Let’s get to the rules. No 1. Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:32:39] jennipps: Hi, everyone! Jen, fl writer in south Oklahoma, specializing in writing/creativity, plus-size issues, & (soon) health. #editorchat

[20:32:56] jennipps: Missed everyone last week! #editorchat

[20:33:09] milehighfool: And your other co-moderator, Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor now also blogging at Quicken.com #editorchat

[20:33:43] milehighfool: Rule No. 2. Stay on topic #editorchat

[20:34:10] wordful: I have an interest in niche content publishing and blogging. I’ve been an editor for 11 years, offline and online. #editorchat

[20:34:33] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. MaÒ€ℒam.) #editorchat

[20:34:34] SuziSteffen: Yes! Home & organized enough to participate in #editorchat! Off to Tweetchat. If you don’t want to read these posts, use TwitterSnooze.com.

[20:34:40] JDEbberly: Tim Beyers ( @milehighfool ) now blogging at http://quicken.com #editorchat

[20:34:54] RBLevin: @milehighfool Hey congrats on the Quicken gig. When did that start? #editorchat

[20:35:09] mariaelenaduron: Hi all! Maria here…editor, columnist, blogger and work with both online + offline pubs. #editorchat

[20:35:13] littlebrownpen: Hi everyone. I’m Nichole Robertson, freelance writer and Copy Director for a European skin care brand #editorchat

[20:35:14] Colgo: Dropping in on #editorchat … hi everyone – Paul here, an online editor in Sydney

[20:35:17] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen Yay, glad you could make it! #editorchat

[20:35:24] KBordessa: Hi. Kris Bordessa, travel and parenting freelancer for national magazines. Trying to keep up & cook dinner @ same time. #editorchat

[20:35:39] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:35:43] LydiaBreakfast: @Colgo Hey Paul, many thanks for joining #editorchat

[20:35:54] sooutdoors: Good evening all, Lloyd here from Southern Ontario OUtdoors. Writer and Past President of Outdoor Writers of Canada #editorchat

[20:35:59] mhertz: Hey everyone. Freelance writer/editor/copy editor in San Francisco Bay Area, working in a variety of industries. #editorchat

[20:36:02] milehighfool: @RBLevin Hey Rich. Started today. I’ll post a link later. #editorchat

[20:36:02] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Hey Nichole, we missed you last time #editorchat

[20:36:19] jesshatchigan: H’lo, all – Jess, writer based in Ann Arbor, MI. #editorchat

[20:36:21] LydiaBreakfast: @KBordessa Thanks for joining, cook us some too pls πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:36:38] jennipps: @milehighfool woohoo!! COngrats! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:36:44] LydiaBreakfast: @mhertz welcome πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:36:45] travelinggal: Hello, hello. Apryl Thomas, freelance writer/travel blogger in northeast Georgia. Just trying to keep it all together. #editorchat

[20:36:52] LydiaBreakfast: @jesshatchigan Hey Jess, thanks for coming πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:36:53] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen Welcome back, Nichole. In Paris today, or New York? #editorchat

[20:37:06] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Lloyd, always a pleasure πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:37:07] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast I missed editorchat when I was in NYC two weeks ago. I shook from the withdraw. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:37:14] mhertz: And, sorry, my name is Marc Hertz. #editorchat

[20:37:24] LydiaBreakfast: @travelinggal Hello Apryl, welcome πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:37:29] milehighfool: @travelinggal Hello Apryl. Glad you could join us. #editorchat

[20:37:34] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool LOL. In PA at the moment. Will be in Paris again in June. Tough life I have, huh? #editorchat

[20:37:40] jennipps: @travelinggal Sometimes trying to keep it all together is like two full-time jobs in one. #editorchat

[20:37:45] carlazanoni: Hi there. I’m a bilingual freelance journalist living in New York City. #editorchat

[20:37:55] milehighfool: @jennipps Thanks, Jen. It’s a nice win for me. #editorchat

[20:38:03] jg_rat: John Grey, editor of couriermail,.com.au #editorchat

[20:38:04] travelinggal: @littlebrownpen lucky you #editorchat

[20:38:06] LydiaBreakfast: Sorry if I missed personally greeting anyone #editorchat

[20:38:06] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:10] SuziSteffen: Hey all. Suzi here, arts & special sections editor for Eugene, Ore alt-weekly, freelancer & j-school adjunct. #editorchat

[20:38:24] jennipps: @littlebrownpen Can I hide away in your suitcase and go too? I went to Paris in 1998 and would *love* to go back! #editorchat

[20:38:27] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen Seriously πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:38:34] travelinggal: @jennipps it doesn’t help that I was gone last week to a conference. My brain has been mushy all this week. #editorchat

[20:38:40] kwagg: sorry joining late … Kristen editor at small community paper in KC area #editorchat

[20:38:53] mhertz: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for the welcome! #editorchat

[20:39:08] littlebrownpen: @jennipps Sure. I travel very light, so you’d fit right in. #editorchat

[20:39:13] LydiaBreakfast: @kwagg not late, we are just getting started, welcome #editorchat

[20:39:34] milehighfool: Welcome everyone. Should be a great chat tonight. Seems like the new time works well? #editorchat

[20:39:42] KBordessa: @travelinggal I’d take conference fuzz to flu fuzz any day! Blech #editorchat

[20:39:48] jennipps: @travelinggal I don’t have that excuse. My brain was just mushy in general last week. *s* #editorchat

[20:39:53] kwagg: @LydiaBreakfast thanks, first time joining in, actually. #editorchat

[20:40:02] jennipps: @littlebrownpen Oooohhh, tempting. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:40:21] travelinggal: @KBordessa bless your heart! Are you feeling any better? #editorchat

[20:40:37] JDEbberly: @KBordessa Yeah KB, I know all about that flu fuzz. This strain makes you all weak. Ugh. #editorchat

[20:40:38] LydiaBreakfast: Ok tweeps we are going to jump in to the questions, please refer to the Q# so we all know what you are referring to #editorchat

[20:40:56] jennipps: @milehighfool Great for me! I’d been kind of scrambling to make 7:00. Tonight was impossible and I thought I was super late. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:41:07] Sirjohn_writer: #editorchat new to this chat, but write international articles. It is good to meet everyone for the first time.

[20:41:16] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Please refer to the Q# so we all know what you are referring to #editorchat

[20:41:25] KBordessa: @travelinggal Oh, you southern girl! πŸ˜‰ Yes, on the mend, catching up. #editorchat

[20:41:31] travelinggal: @Sirjohn_writer welcome #editorchat

[20:41:35] wordful: @milehighfool I like the old time better. #editorchat

[20:41:40] LydiaBreakfast: Q 1 Innovation is often good, + may help save the publishing industry from itself. But is all innovation good, or necessary? #editorchat

[20:41:51] milehighfool: @Sirjohn_writer Glad you could make it, sir. Welcome. #editorchat

[20:41:53] JDEbberly: @Sirjohn_writer Welcome to Editorchat, SirJohn! You are definitely welcome here! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:42:00] jg_rat: Currently wrestling with legal issues – a harsh suppression order in another AU state is causing us grief (and fear of contempt) #editorchat

[20:42:03] jennipps: RT @LydiaBreakfast Please refer to the Q# so we all know what you are referring to. #editorchat

[20:42:17] travelinggal: @KBordessa It is that obvious? Next, I’ll be showing up on your doorstep with homemade chicken soup. #editorchat

[20:42:36] LydiaBreakfast: @jg_rat legal issues over innovation, or something else? #editorchat

[20:42:42] kwagg: Q1 innovation is good, but still using the basics is necessary. writing skills, understanding of news, etc. #editorchat

[20:42:52] jennipps: Q1 – If you strive for innovation just for the sake of innovation, you’re doing it for the wrong reasons. #editorchat

[20:43:35] milehighfool: @kwagg Agreed. But what about format innovations. Example: Should we be writing for the super-small screen? (iPhone, etc.) #editorchat

[20:43:48] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Good point. Innovation for innovation sake, not the point. #editorchat

[20:43:48] jennipps: Q1 – and innovation for the sake of innovation is not good and can complicate/break what worked beforehand. #editorchat

[20:43:51] jg_rat: @LydiaBreakfast Supreme Court has made wide suppression order that makes 100s of archived online stories dangerous #editorchat

[20:43:53] sooutdoors: Q1 I wouldn’t necessarily sat innovation itself is necessarily always good but it is necessary. Stagnate and die. #editorchat

[20:43:56] gmarkham: Hi. Mark Hamilton, journalism instructor and former editor. #editorchat

[20:43:57] a2editor: Hello, editorchat. Looking forward to the conversation on innovation tonight. #editorchat

[20:44:02] SuziSteffen: Q1 I think the editorial meeting in East Bay Express’ “Saving Newspapers” video says a lot abt innovation: http://is.gd/qlfZ #editorchat

[20:44:15] JDEbberly: Q1 Innovations for the small iPhone screen are in order #editorchat

[20:44:15] wordful: There’s nothing uncommon about evolving technology, but writers/editors/publishers still need to focus on content and audience. #editorchat

[20:44:16] mariaelenaduron: Q1: Some innovation gets in the way+can even make UR pub cloudy + difficult 2 read. I agree w/@jennipps, must fulfill real need. #editorchat

[20:44:19] LydiaBreakfast: @a2editor Hey there, we missed you πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:44:29] jennipps: @milehighfool I think there are/will be people who can write for super small screen, but I doubt I’m among them. *s* #editorchat

[20:44:30] jg_rat: Q1 It’s all about storytelling, isn’t it? #editorchat

[20:44:52] milehighfool: Mark, Laura, glad you could make it. Your take on publishing innovation? How necessary is it? #editorchat

[20:44:56] kwagg: @milehighfool IMO keeping that in mind is important but you can’t forget the basics in the process diminshs product otherwise #editorchat

[20:45:02] SuziSteffen: I also think it’s hard to know what “innovations” will work, so we’re all trying everything that we can. #editorchat

[20:45:04] a2editor: @LydiaBreakfast Hi, thanks. Missed my editorchat tweeps last week. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:45:05] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps don’t you think twitter’s 140 char. limitation helps that? #editorchat

[20:45:06] wordful: @mariaelenaduron good point #editorchat

[20:45:11] spencerspellman: Not as much Twittering today, busy busy. Sad that I’m missing #editorchat

[20:45:11] mhertz: Q1 @milehighfool I suppose a writer just need to know what medium he/she is writing for and adjust accordingly #editorchat

[20:45:12] carlazanoni: Q1 I always thought the basics were more important than innovative tools, now finding so many eds are interested in the latter. #editorchat

[20:45:54] shortformblog: Q1: If you’re not innovating, you’re not thinking. Simple as that. I think you’d have to be crazy to not think forward. #editorchat

[20:46:00] milehighfool: @SuziSteffen Hey Suzi. Assuming we don’t have time to watch now, what’s the takeaway? #editorchat

[20:46:05] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen Do you think that can lead to a mash of not-very-usable content? #editorchat

[20:46:11] mariaelenaduron: RT @wordful There’s nothing uncommon bout evolving technology,but writers/editors/publishers need 2 focus on content+audience #editorchat

[20:46:22] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast It definitely does. So in that light, I might be among the small-screen format writers eventually, but not yet. #editorchat

[20:46:24] SpecialDee: Special Sections editor http://www.sunjournal.com Maine newspaper, joining the convo. #editorchat

[20:46:27] a2editor: @milehighfool I think innovation is necessary (and inevitable), but can create messes in times of transition. #editorchat

[20:46:28] shortformblog: Q1: But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be a good editor of what innovations make most sense. #editorchat

[20:46:30] joecortez: Q1: Innovation is only innovation when it actually serves a purpose that will improve the industry. Otherwise, its just clutter. #editorchat

[20:46:36] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast Hope #editorchat goes well. Sad I’m missing it. BTW, I’ve got to give you props for the Firefly Tea comment, could use one

[20:46:37] jg_rat: @mhertz @milehighfool Q1But writers should be writing for multiple platforms? #editorchat

[20:46:47] jennipps: @spencerspellman Darn! We’ll miss you. #editorchat

[20:46:48] milehighfool: @mhertz I think this is possibly the biggest issue, and what may be behind the devaluing of Web content. #editorchat

[20:46:59] bob_bobala: Q1 Innovate or die. I don’t think there’s a choice. (Sorry, still working here on the West Coast.) #editorchat

[20:47:04] Shelbow: Hi #editorchat. I’m Shelly, a Web content consultant and former book editor in San Diego.

[20:47:04] JDEbberly: @SpecialDee Welcome to Editorchat, Dee! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:47:06] mariaelenaduron: @SuziSteffen LOL!! Am watching the video right now – thanks! #editorchat

[20:47:19] milehighfool: RT @joecortez: Q1: Innovation is only innovation when it actually serves a purpose that will improve the industry. #editorchat

[20:47:26] carlazanoni: @a2editor Completely agree about the mess it can make. #editorchat

[20:47:29] LydiaBreakfast: @spencerspellman hee hee, I am still waiting for my tumbler πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:47:33] SuziSteffen: @LydiaBreakfast Not really. Online, people will read/watch/listen to what’s interesting and filter out the rest. Print=diff tho. #editorchat

[20:47:38] shortformblog: BTW, came in a little late. Ernie Smith, designer, Wash. Post Express, creator of ShortFormBlog (http://shortformblog.com/) #editorchat

[20:47:48] jennipps: RT @shortformblog Q1: If you’re not innovating, you’re not thinking. Simple as that. I think you’d be crazy to not think fwd #editorchat

[20:47:59] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala Hey Bob, thanks for joining (at work!) #editorchat

[20:48:02] littlebrownpen: Q1 – Innovation without value is noise. #editorchat

[20:48:11] mhertz: Q1 I suppose the problem these days may be the speed of innovation and trying to keep up with them all. #editorchat

[20:48:11] JDEbberly: RT @joecortez: Q1: Innovation is only innovation when it actually serves a purpose that will improve the industry. #editorchat

[20:48:36] jg_rat: @SuziSteffen Q1 Don’t you think readers filter when they read paper? #editorchat

[20:48:41] sooutdoors: RT @littlebrownpen: Q1 – Innovation without value is noise. #editorchat

[20:48:43] bob_bobala: @carlazanoni The mess can be good… isn’t twitter just a big mess?! #editorchat

[20:48:46] jennipps: Agreed! RT @littlebrownpen Q1 – Innovation without value is noise. #editorchat

[20:48:56] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Hey Bob. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:48:59] Shelbow: @bob_bobala what are you doing at #editorchat on tax day?? ~Shelly

[20:49:06] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Glad to be here! #editorchat

[20:49:09] SuziSteffen: Q1 Yes. Students and recent grads tell me they need to learn coding. Wish I had time for all of that +, you know, work. #editorchat

[20:49:12] jg_rat: @mhertz Q1 Re keeping up, I am in constant state of future fatigue #editorchat

[20:49:13] jennipps: @mhertz And differentiating between the wheat and the chaff. #editorchat

[20:49:21] jenwillis: Apologies for my tardiness. I’m having connection/processor sluggishness. #editorchat

[20:49:26] mariaelenaduron: RT @littlebrownpen Q1 – Innovation without value is noise. <Amen!> #editorchat

[20:49:31] Colgo: Q1 Must say I agree with @bob_bobala who said: Innovate or die. I don’t think there’s a choice. #editorchat

[20:49:40] LydiaBreakfast: @jg_rat They might skip sections not of interest to them, but the line between editorial and ads might make it difficult #editorchat

[20:49:50] milehighfool: Q1 So if we agree that innovation without value is noise, how do we add value? #editorchat

[20:49:59] JDEbberly: RT @mhertz: Q1 I suppose the problem these days may be the speed of innovation and trying to keep up with them all. #editorchat

[20:50:02] jennipps: @Colgo But don’t you think there’s still a line of when innovation becomes cumbersome? #editorchat

[20:50:05] LydiaBreakfast: @jenwillis no problem, jump in as you can #editorchat

[20:50:10] SuziSteffen: @jennipps But how will you know, in advance, what innovation is noise and what is value? Or what @milehighfool said. #editorchat

[20:50:20] RBLevin: @wordful They also need to expand skill sets beyond word proc. Video, audio, design, lite coding are crucial skills for writers. #editorchat

[20:50:26] gmarkham: Q!: But there’s often no way to fully evaluate innovation until it’s been tried. #editorchat

[20:50:28] bob_bobala: @Shelbow Shelly, my job is done! I handed off to the TurboTax web team weeks ago. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:50:37] carlazanoni: @bob_bobala But if I find this hard to follow and I’m 34 and educ., how about the the afflicted we’re supposed to comfort? #editorchat

[20:50:43] mariaelenaduron: @Colgo I agree w/innovation 2 as long as it serves a purpose. If it takes away from content+ value of pub 2 audience, then why? #editorchat

[20:50:43] SuziSteffen: @jg_rat Of course we all filter when we read, but changing too much too fast in print can lead to Very Angry Readers. #editorchat

[20:50:43] milehighfool: Another example: Community. Isn’t it what do you with, and how you engage with, the community that maters? #editorchat

[20:50:52] jennipps: @SuziSteffen THere’s the rub. lol. I don’t know. I think it’s a matter of personal preference/usability. #editorchat

[20:50:58] a2editor: Value is what it always was IMO: Inform, inspire, entertain. Just do it in new and more useful, convenient, creative ways. #editorchat

[20:51:03] marciamarcia: #editorchat

[20:51:11] timecommander: Innovation is only the start of technology. #editorchat

[20:51:16] jobsearchcoach: RT @JoeCortez: Q1: Innovation is only innovation when it serves purpose that will improve industry. Otherwise, its just clutter. #editorchat

[20:51:27] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Another example: Community. Isn’t it what do you with, and how you engage with, the community that maters? #editorchat

[20:51:28] SuziSteffen: Q1 But, @lydiabreakfast, I do want to keep that wall b/t ad and copy. Yipes otherwise. #editorchat

[20:51:35] bob_bobala: @SuziSteffen That’s interesting about the coding, Suzi. I work for TurboTax and would get more done if I could code. #editorchat

[20:51:37] jg_rat: @SuziSteffen People hate change. Peope love change. #editorchat

[20:51:41] SpecialDee: Q1: I can’t have conversations w/paper but can w/peeps, thus building of an online community in real time is good, but how to? #editorchat

[20:51:43] gmarkham: @joecortez do you have a definition for “improve the industry”? #editorchat

[20:51:49] Colgo: Q1 Modern platforms offer so much room for innovation that … all innovation is good – failures will result in good lessons #editorchat

[20:51:51] milehighfool: @RBLevin This is precisely my point. For writers, knowing the medium seems to be amost as important as knowing the content. #editorchat

[20:51:55] littlebrownpen: RT @a2editor Value is what it always was: Inform, inspire, entertain. Just do it in new and more useful, convenient, creative w #editorchat

[20:52:00] jennipps: RT @a2editor Value is what it always was: Inform, inspire, entertain. Just do it in new & more useful, convenient, creative ways #editorchat

[20:52:20] mariaelenaduron: @SuziSteffen Think U need 2 have feedback of real readers. It’s a mistake 4 any1 2 speak 4 their end user (customer) + assume. #editorchat

[20:52:21] jg_rat: @SpecialDee Q1 Social media may be part of the answer #editorchat

[20:52:26] milehighfool: @Colgo Interesting point. But only if you move fast to correct mistakes, yes? #editorchat

[20:52:29] wordful: @RBLevin yes as writers/editors we need to be mindful of innovation. no use stopping or fighting it…just focus on value #editorchat

[20:52:34] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala the question then becomes, how much are we required to do? #editorchat

[20:52:35] shortformblog: Let me dig it up, but I was just reading a story about Dallas laying off people they trained to innovate in video. Absurd. #editorchat

[20:52:35] bob_bobala: @carlazanoni Yeah, it’s not easy. I’m not making that argument. #editorchat

[20:53:00] RBLevin: @milehighfool Always has been. Only today, the medium is much more complex than a page. #editorchat

[20:53:02] jesshatchigan: @gmarkham Q1 Trial and error is part of innovation. The chaff falls by the wayside. #editorchat

[20:53:05] shortformblog: What the DMN did, that’s not useful innovation. Do not train people in innovative things only to lay them off. #editorchat

[20:53:19] joecortez: Q1: @milehighfool We add value in improving content: using technology to make what we write more interactive; more insightful. #editorchat

[20:53:24] Shelbow: Q1 I’d say keep your eye on the objective — e.g. making something easier to accomplish or understand– then innovate. #editorchat

[20:53:40] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast How much innovation or technology work are we required to do? #editorchat

[20:53:51] wordful: @milehighfool that’s right! A 21st century editor needs to embrace innovation in order to thrive. #editorchat

[20:53:55] kwagg: RT @Shelbow Q1 I’d say keep your eye on the objective — e.g. making something easier to accomplish or understand– then innovat #editorchat

[20:53:58] SuziSteffen: @LydiaBreakfast Q1 About how much we’re required to do, absolutely! #editorchat

[20:54:02] Colgo: @jennipps I think the editor’s role as a manager should be to provide a platform for agile innovation #editorchat

[20:54:17] bob_bobala: @Shelbow Q1 yes, that’s always job #1. #editorchat

[20:54:17] milehighfool: @jesshatchigan Does the chaff always fall away? I’m not so sure. if it were so, wouldn’t newspapers have figured out online? #editorchat

[20:54:19] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala tech work, I mean, should I go and take classes on CSS and HML #editorchat

[20:54:36] earleyedition: Watching a bit of #editorchat stream. Check it out if you’re into online journ issues

[20:54:45] SpecialDee: Q1 Innovation: How do you feel about online communities following specific bylines? #editorchat

[20:54:57] LydiaBreakfast: I meant HTML #editorchat

[20:55:00] jennipps: @milehighfool True. I think the ones that pay attention, even a little bit, would have. #editorchat

[20:55:01] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: tech work, I mean, should I go and take classes on CSS and HML #editorchat

[20:55:24] jesshatchigan: Q1 Good writers have been innovating since we began scratching symbols on cave walls. #editorchat

[20:55:25] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast I think it depends how much you need a job and how versatile you want to be. #editorchat

[20:55:25] Colgo: @mariaelenaduron Sure, but I think you have to have room to think laterally about what the content is and what audiences want #editorchat

[20:55:32] jennipps: @Colgo Which would make things easier for people on both sides of the desk, I assume? #editorchat

[20:55:33] continuum_q5: RT @timecommander: Innovation is only the start of technology. #editorchat the Tech effect now with the human element

[20:55:34] joecortez: @gmarkham Innovation = tools that make us more efficient or our jobs better, or adds more value to the content we put together. #editorchat

[20:55:34] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee writers becoming brands is all part of the innovation equation #editorchat

[20:55:37] dodgemedlin: @shortformblog Spokane S-R has had issues like that too. Their video dept. was going great guns for a while, but no more. #editorchat

[20:55:38] leanneclc: Time to discount “the medium is the message” will pay for good, in depth, smart content either in writing, online, TV, or radio. #editorchat

[20:55:45] JDEbberly: RT @wordful: @milehighfool that’s right! A 21st century editor needs to embrace innovation in order to thrive. #editorchat

[20:55:56] wordful: @milehighfool no need for CSS and HTML classes….just go to the people who specialize in it. #editorchat

[20:56:13] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast HTML I can do. CSS is Greek to me. I can’t make heads nor tails of it. I think a class is in order for me. #editorchat

[20:56:16] littlebrownpen: Very often wheat and chaff duke it out … #editorchat

[20:56:21] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Everything else being equal, that is. #editorchat

[20:56:33] Sirjohn_writer: #editorchat with the advancement of the computer translators it still amazes me that my articles can be recopied without guilt

[20:56:37] gmarkham: @jesshatchigan exactly. fear of failure is too ingrained in media culture; limits innovative attempts #editorchat

[20:57:01] wordful: We need to know what technology and innovation is needed but we don’t need to know how it works. #editorchat

[20:57:09] Shelbow: Speaking of innovation, have you all seen SDNN.com? They’re working hard at innovating the news industry. #editorchat

[20:57:09] milehighfool: Back to the Dark Side. Is the failure of newspapers to monetize online a failure of innovation? #editorchat

[20:57:12] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat You don’t need to become an expert but some basic knowledge is certainly helpful these days.

[20:57:15] jennipps: @gmarkham And thus almost ensuring failure. #editorchat

[20:57:39] gmarkham: @JoeCortez thanks #editorchat

[20:57:59] mariaelenaduron: @Colgo Agreed! Think we need 2 B mindful that innovation doesn’t = quality.Might have 2 wait 4 more innovation, 2 get quality. #editorchat

[20:58:01] jesshatchigan: @milehighfool, in what sense? How to make a business equation of online? #editorchat

[20:58:03] mhertz: Does innovation when it comes to newspapers thus mean going online and stuffing it with ads and/or charging users? #editorchat

[20:58:03] mikhailg: @littlebrownpen I thought editors separate the wheat from the chaff and then print the chaff. #editorchat

[20:58:03] bob_bobala: Q1 If talent was equal, I would hire someone with HTML, etc. skills over someone without them. #editorchat

[20:58:05] leanneclc: How can we be debating innovation? Some of the most successful media is very simple – Charlie Rose, NPR Radio, New Yorker…#editorchat

[20:58:13] SpecialDee: @jakrose Newspaper people: let your fans spread your bylined stories, create community http://is.gd/s8l6 #editorchat

[20:58:16] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen And doesn’t chaff sometimes win? #editorchat

[20:58:18] wordful: Dark Side: newspapers are too journalistic. They need to be more personal and community minded. Look at HuffPo. #editorchat

[20:58:24] jennipps: @milehighfool Not necessarily. Some have tried to go online and still not made it. #editorchat

[20:58:29] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala I’m starting class tomorrow πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:58:42] SuziSteffen: @milehighfool Re innovation: I don’t know. Even if so, is it writer/editors at fault? We don’t sell the ads or design the web. #editorchat

[20:58:43] sooutdoors: @milehighfool I would absolutely agree with that statement. Many are now addressing issues that needed attention years ago. #editorchat

[20:58:50] jennipps: @leanneclc BUt even in their simplicity, they still make use of some technological advancements/innovations. #editorchat

[20:58:58] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool I’ve thought about this often. I think it is a failure, sadly. #editorchat

[20:59:10] SpecialDee: @briansolis Nice job re Statusphere & friends of friends http://is.gd/n85u #editorchat

[20:59:23] dodgemedlin: @mhertz Charging users is not innovation. #editorchat

[20:59:25] wordful: @Shelbow yes, I agree. Perhaps I’m getting innovation mixed up w/technology…? #editorchat

[20:59:33] littlebrownpen: @mikhailg Very true. #editorchat

[20:59:39] milehighfool: @jesshatchigan Right. Surely the Web is a phenomenal distribution mechanism. For newspapers, it has zero value. #editorchat

[20:59:41] rosefox: Joining late–hi all. I’m a book reviews editor at Publishers Weekly and a freelance medical journalist. #editorchat

[20:59:52] LydiaBreakfast: @leanneclc True there are some “old skool” that work, but the majority of the publishing business is trying to find a new model #editorchat

[20:59:54] JDEbberly: SDNN San Diego News Network http://www.sdnn.com/ #editorchat

[20:59:56] leanneclc: @jennipps Agreed but not at the expense of content…great content first, innovation if it makes sense, not for innovations sake #editorchat

[21:00:09] carlazanoni: @wordful What does that mean too journalistic? #editorchat

[21:00:32] jennipps: @leanneclc I most certainly agree! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:00:32] jg_rat: @wordful Q1 Tech can enable innovation – sometimes it forces it #editorchat

[21:00:59] milehighfool: @SuziSteffen Good point. Maybe the follow-up is, as writers nd editors, how do we shape innovation in a biz context? #editorchat

[21:01:07] LydiaBreakfast: It would be helpful to clarify innovation is a new way of reporting news, creating features, providing web content #editorchat

[21:01:13] bob_bobala: @SuziSteffen At least with what we’re doing here at Intuit, the writers are intimately involved in design. #editorchat

[21:01:13] gmarkham: I’m not sure anyone could have seen how the combination of disruption and recession would slay the business model. #editorchat (1/2)

[21:01:23] SpecialDee: Journalists with followings, good read @techcrunch http://is.gd/rVOS #editorchat

[21:01:26] BaileyMcC: The content can be fabulous, but if no one sees it b/c of lack of innovation, the bad content still wins #editorchat

[21:01:33] LydiaBreakfast: Technology is what we use as a tool to help us do those things. Not the same as innovation #editorchat

[21:01:38] timecommander: How can a newspaper company monetize? Guest posters? #editorchat

[21:01:42] gmarkham: sorry, there is no (2/2) #editorchat

[21:01:45] rosefox: @milehighfool #editorchat Newspapers’ and magazines’ only “failure” is not yet knowing what works. Everyone is scrambling right now.

[21:01:49] shortformblog: @leanneclc You know, if every news market owned their niche like those do, it’d be OK to stagnate. But most people don’t. #editorchat

[21:01:53] LydiaBreakfast: @rosefox Hello Rose, many thanks for joining us πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:01:57] Shelbow: RT @jg_rat: @wordful Q1 Tech can enable innovation – sometimes it forces it #editorchat SO True! That’s why I say #contentstrategy first!

[21:01:59] jesshatchigan: @milehighfool, what’s “caviar to the general” may be non-chaff that’s monetizable in non-mass markets? #editorchat

[21:02:07] leanneclc: @LydiaBreakfast I know but I think they are trying too hard and missing the point…consumers pay for content and still will #editorchat

[21:02:24] mariaelenaduron: RT LydiaBreakfast Technology is what we use as a tool to help us do those things. Not the same as innovation <Agreed!> #editorchat

[21:02:31] SuziSteffen: @bob_bobala That makes sense for online-only, but trad papers couldn’t foresee … er ditto @gmarkham. #editorchat

[21:02:49] IrisJumbe: @wordful can a newspaper ever be “too journalistic”? Papers have to pick a gear & not just stick with it, but excel. #editorchat

[21:02:49] wordful: @carlazanoni I mean to say not niche-focused, which is the way web content seems to be headed. #editorchat

[21:02:56] milehighfool: @jesshatchigan Agreed. One man’s what is another’s chaff, and so on. #editorchat

[21:03:01] ImFreckles: hello from Toronto. just checking in to see what the chatter is about tonight. #editorchat

[21:03:23] mhertz: @gmarkham. Agreed. It just seems like a perfect storm of bad news for the newspaper industry. #editorchat

[21:03:25] Colgo: @milehighfool Q1 I like the BBC line: Fall forward, fast – make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill failures. #editorchat

[21:03:33] carlazanoni: @Wordful Point taken. #editorchat

[21:03:37] leanneclc: @shortformblog Yeah, I know and I know there are a lot of niche pubs that are nice to have, but if there isn’t enough market….#editorchat

[21:03:38] BaileyMcC: Merely charging users for the same old thing isn’t innovation or even content strategy #editorchat

[21:03:47] rosefox: @leanneclc #editorchat Consumers are becoming more picky about when and why they pay for content. Providing better/targeted content is key.

[21:04:15] milehighfool: @rosefox Really? As much as that’s true right now I’m not sure either industry has experimented well. #editorchat

[21:04:54] milehighfool: @Colgo Right. This is a classic model for tech, Google especially. Fail small, win huge. The poker player’s motto. #editorchat

[21:05:09] JDEbberly: RT @rosefox: @leanneclc #editorchat Consumers are becoming more picky about when and why they pay for content. Providing better/targeted …

[21:05:11] marciamarcia: Joining #editorchat late. Realizing I could use the community of editors and writers 2nite more than thinking abt what I have yet to finish.

[21:05:43] Colgo: gotta go to a meeting, will catch up on the thread later #editorchat

[21:05:44] leanneclc: @rosefox I definitely agree, but those personal budgets are only going to stretch so far…some will lose, innovation or no #editorchat

[21:05:46] IrisJumbe: @BaileyMcC Agreed. Nor is charging them for content and services they can get for free elsewhere #editorchat

[21:05:47] milehighfool: @rosefox On this,w e agree. I like and have high hopes for the Newsweek model. Premium content deserves a premium price. #editorchat

[21:05:49] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia Thanks for joining/procrastinating with us πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:06:01] jennipps: @marciamarcia I’m trying to keep from thinking about what needs to be done/finished. #editorchat

[21:06:02] SuziSteffen: Good plan!RT @Colgo I like BBC line: Fall forward, fast – make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill failures. #editorchat

[21:06:16] bob_bobala: Q1 Is creativity innovation? Because with print dying and web content so competitive, the most creative will survive. #editorchat

[21:06:22] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool Agree. I happily pay for premium content. #editorchat

[21:06:23] rosefox: @milehighfool #editorchat I think we could refine our scrambling, yes, but a lot of improvements require capital that no one has right now.

[21:06:25] SpecialDee: Look at each department .RT @timecommander: How can a newspaper company monetize? Guest posters? #editorchat

[21:06:34] BaileyMcC: RT@Colgo Q1 I like the BBC line: Fall forward, fast, make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill fails. #editorchat

[21:06:40] SuziSteffen: Funny, I don’t believe that people will pay for content, but out of solidarity I subscribed to InDenverTimes. So hmmmm. #editorchat

[21:06:46] jg_rat: RT @Colgo: Q1 I like the BBC line: Fall forward fast, make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill failures [fast] #editorchat

[21:06:53] jennipps: @bob_bobala Sometimes creativity *can* be innovation, but not always. #editorchat

[21:06:57] BaileyMcC: @irisjumbe @irisjumbe exactly! #editorchat

[21:07:02] Hergett: @rosefox Isn’t that exactly what local newspapers have been touting? Does hyper-local not equal targeted? #editorchat

[21:07:05] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Absolutely it is, Content innovation I’d argue, is more important than tech innovation. In publishing at least. #editorchat

[21:07:16] leanneclc: @milehighfool @Rosefox – I’m in for premium content at a premium price. Hope there are enough of us! #editorchat

[21:07:29] JDEbberly: RT @Colgo: Q1 I like the BBC line: Fall forward fast, make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill failure #editorchat

[21:07:32] littlebrownpen: @SuziSteffen I think you are on to something with solidarity. It has to start somewhere. #editorchat

[21:07:42] jennipps: @SuziSteffen I actually think it’s been proven several times that people don’t pay for content more often than not. #editorchat

[21:08:07] bob_bobala: @marciamarcia Everybody’s taxes are done, right? If not, sorry for the plug, but you’d better head over to TurboTax.com #editorchat

[21:08:08] milehighfool: @rosefox In tech, certainly. But back to Bob’s point. Are we being as innovative with content as we can be? #editorchat

[21:08:17] marciamarcia: In the focus group work I’ve done, I’ve learned some people buy into concept of pay-for-content, others just don’t. #editorchat

[21:08:24] wordful: I believe people will pay for premium content but it has to be highly relevant to their needs and useful as well #editorchat

[21:08:36] ImFreckles: i think this idea about paying for content just means the content must be really good. people are getting harder to please #editorchat

[21:08:43] leanneclc: @Hergett My opinion – local newspapers = dumbed down news. That’s my problem with local…happy to pay for online news digest #editorchat

[21:08:54] LydiaBreakfast: I think we can agree that creativity, really knowing your audience, and crafting quality targeted content are innovations #editorchat

[21:08:57] jesshatchigan: @milehighfool, premium content and niche marketing are two avenues to monetize. #editorchat

[21:08:57] SuziSteffen: @jennipps I know! So I’m sort of laughing at my behavior/belief clash. I also pay for the ORegonian, the NYT and bunch o’ mags. #editorchat

[21:08:59] BaileyMcC: We have to get beyond the basic payments model, ppl will find what they want free enuf is out there, do more #editorchat

[21:09:10] littlebrownpen: @wordful Highly relevant is key. Niche content will attract more $$$ with that model. #editorchat

[21:09:13] mariaelenaduron: @wordful I agree. Am for paying for premium content, too. #editorchat

[21:09:28] LydiaBreakfast: Ready for Q2 Writers: How has technology or business innovation disrupted your process? Do you write more? Less? #editorchat

[21:09:34] bob_bobala: @milehighfool What’s becoming more and more intereting to me is how you meld content innovation with tech innovation. #editorchat

[21:09:50] wordful: @littlebrownpen exactly! Niche content is where all of this is headed. Newspapers are not niche content providers. #editorchat

[21:10:11] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Easy access to some things has disrupted my process. lol. I think I write more, for the most part. #editorchat

[21:10:13] milehighfool: @rosefox I should point out I’m not intending to point fingers at publishers so much as point out a fact: innovation is upon us. #editorchat

[21:10:13] mhertz: The problem is, as much as we writer/editors may be willing to pay for content, will the average reader? And in a down economy? #editorchat

[21:10:18] marciamarcia: If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:10:19] anndouglas: @ImFreckles You will love it. I just arrived a bit late myself, btw. Listening to get the gist of the convo. #editorchat

[21:10:28] rosefox: #editorchat What does “innovative with content” even mean? Is it possible to divorce content innovation and delivery/monetizing?

[21:10:29] bob_bobala: Q2 I write more. Absolutely more. Question is, is it more fulfilling? #editorchat

[21:10:29] ErikSherman: @marciamarcia Problem with asking people what they’d do is that it’s one of the least reliable types of market research. #editorchat

[21:10:42] BeckyDMBR: @JDEbberly I especially like “kill failure.” Sounds like old journo-speak to me. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:10:47] wordful: Q2: I’ve grown with the technology so I don’t really think of being without it. #editorchat

[21:10:53] jennipps: Oops. Forgot to put Q2 on that last response. RT Easy access to some things has disrupted my process. lol. I think I write more, #editorchat

[21:11:00] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Have to disagree on the technology one. It’s allowed for so much innovation that wouldn’t be possible otherwise.#editorchat

[21:11:08] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q2 Writers: How has technology or business innovation disrupted your process? Do you write more? Less? #editorchat

[21:11:10] IrisJumbe: @jennipps Yup. They might pay for exclusive content but how often is anything online ever really exclusive to a single site? #editorchat

[21:11:12] leanneclc: Absolutely! RT @LydiaBreakfast …creativity, really knowing your aud., & crafting quality targeted content are innovations #editorchat

[21:11:13] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala a catchy way to meld the two is to provide a mulitmedia approach to each story with links, visuals, audio and video #editorchat

[21:11:21] littlebrownpen: RT: @marciamarcia If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:11:28] jennipps: @bob_bobala It is for me because I actually write it and submit things instead of holding on to it forever. #editorchat

[21:11:37] SuziSteffen: Q2: What I like about online is that I can write more about what I want to (theater, viz arts, etc.) w/o space worries. #editorchat

[21:11:41] BeckyDMBR: @SuziSteffen Yeah, but, have we heard … did InDenverTimes get enough subscribers to continue? #editorchat

[21:12:10] wordful: Technology helps spread the writing so much faster and cheaper, so I do it more. #editorchat

[21:12:14] mariaelenaduron: Q2: I definitely write more. Learning curve time is distracting, ultimately valuable + provided access 2 new + good sources. #editorchat

[21:12:18] joecortez: Q2: Technology helps me gather more sources more efficiently. Can also be major distraction to productivity if I let it be. #editorchat

[21:12:21] jennipps: @IrisJumbe Exactly! Even if it is “exclusive” for one site, it can soon be spread to others by readers of the first site. #editorchat

[21:12:31] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR Great question, Becky. I’m not sure. I’ve had to wait for my CC statement to close before signing up. #editorchat

[21:12:33] BaileyMcC: Q2 I don’t think of tech as a disruption, its a way to enhance what I write and provide more to the audience #editorchat

[21:12:38] mhertz: Q2 Technology (read: the Internet) has disrupted my writing process because it’s an easy opportunity to be distracted #editorchat

[21:12:42] JenniferPerillo: Q2: tech innovation leaves me feeling overwhelmed with all the outlets that need “feeding”. #editorchat

[21:12:50] SuziSteffen: @BeckyDMBR I believe they’re deciding on April … 23 or something? I’ll go look. http://is.gd/sF0j #editorchat

[21:12:52] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast Q2: As a medical journalist, I am daily grateful for PubMed. Tech = searchable content = better easier research. #editorchat

[21:12:55] Hergett: @leanneclc Local sources need to evolve, yes, and may not have the expansive content, but are still valuable to communities. #editorchat

[21:12:58] jennipps: RT @wordful Technology helps spread the writing so much faster and cheaper, so I do it more. #editorchat

[21:12:59] leanneclc: @IrisJumbe I’m not sure I’d pay for exclusive…premium or higher quality, yes, exclusive…who cares except media types #editorchat

[21:13:04] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen You mean with blogging? Don’t some pubs limit blogging? #editorchat

[21:13:06] timecommander: Q2: Yes. Like I said earlier: as long as content is creative it will be fulfilling. #editorchat

[21:13:08] marciamarcia: @ErikSherman Most of my work has looked at what people have done, and why they did it. We hear,”No never pay for content.” #editorchat

[21:13:21] SuziSteffen: @JenniferPerillo Yes, true, and I feel guilty if I’m not posting on the blog/Twittering interesting links/getting photos etc. #editorchat

[21:13:23] Shelbow: There are lots of ways to “pay” for content … I think premium content doesn’t have to be supported by just one model. #editorchat

[21:13:24] mariaelenaduron: @SuziSteffen Too true! I do like not having to worry about space. #editorchat

[21:13:31] JDEbberly: Q2 Technological innovation helps me pull things together better for articles. #editorchat

[21:13:35] SuziSteffen: @LydiaBreakfast Probably, but mine doesn’t. #editorchat

[21:13:37] IrisJumbe: Q2 It hasn’t disrupted me but I’ve had 2 expand my process to factor in time 4 the time-consuming techie things I’m not good at. #editorchat

[21:13:38] bob_bobala: @jennipps Oooh, there’s a whole other conversation: submissions. How long do you wait on them, etc. @milehighfool will want in. #editorchat

[21:13:38] LydiaBreakfast: @rosefox what about your work with PW (I review books too, btw) #editorchat

[21:13:39] JenniferPerillo: @jodifur funny this is one of the questions on #editorchat! And I said the same thing.

[21:14:17] jennipps: @bob_bobala lol. Maybe that’s a convo better for another time, then? #editorchat

[21:14:18] JDEbberly: @SuziSteffen I just LOVE to post links to interesting topics on Twitter! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:14:21] milehighfool: Q2: Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer. Sources are easier to find. #editorchat

[21:14:27] littlebrownpen: Agree w/ @JenniferPerillo Q2: tech innovation leaves me feeling overwhelmed with all the outlets that need “feeding”. #editorchat

[21:14:46] jg_rat: Q2 Wish I had time to write. Too busy innovating :o) #editorchat

[21:14:48] jg_rat: Q2 Wish I had time to write. Too busy innovating :o) #editorchat

[21:14:48] ErikSherman: @marciamarcia When you think about it, why would they? Vast majority of sources are free anyway. #editorchat

[21:14:53] milehighfool: @milehighfool Yes, yes I do. #editorchat

[21:15:04] jennipps: @milehighfool True! And the adage to “write tight” gets put into practice daily and makes it easier in general. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:15:07] timecommander: RT milehighfool: Q2: Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer. Sources are easier to find. #editorchat

[21:15:20] bob_bobala: Q2 I’d like to think that technology hasn’t disrupted my writing life; it’s enhanced it. #editorchat

[21:15:21] IrisJumbe: @leanneclc Doesn’t it depend on the topic of the content? e.g. an exclusive interview w/ someone you found completely inspiring? #editorchat

[21:15:29] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat I hope we can accept ebook subs soon, because searchable text makes it easier to fact-check reviews.

[21:15:35] anndouglas: Q2 Concerned by something I heard today – some mega-bookstores want online video content for certain types book to stock title. #editorchat

[21:15:37] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Duh. Sorry about that last tweet. Yes, I do want in re: submissions. #editorchat

[21:15:38] JDEbberly: @bob_bobala We should suggest to @milehighfool to discuss submissions next week! Hint! Hint! to mods #editorchat

[21:15:55] jennipps: RT @milehighfool Q2: Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer. Sources are easier to find. #editorchat

[21:15:59] LydiaBreakfast: RT @IrisJumbe Q2 hasn’t disrupted me but had 2 expand my process to factor in time 4 the time-consuming tech I’m not good at #editorchat

[21:16:00] milehighfool: RT @jg_rat: Q2 Wish I had time to write. Too busy innovating :o0 #editorchat

[21:16:10] anndouglas: Realize that’s a book issue not a specifically journo issue but it speaks to all the extras being asked/demanded. #editorchat

[21:16:17] Hergett: Q2: It is much easier to find information/sources, but I have less time to process and reflect because of immediacy. #editorchat

[21:16:25] marciamarcia: @milehighfool Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer, too. Brilliant perspectives at our fingertips #editorchat

[21:16:31] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool Q2: Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer. Sources are easier to find. #editorchat

[21:16:42] jesshatchigan: Q@: Whose idea was it to combine word processing with the greatest distraction ever & the same keyboard? #editorchat

[21:16:43] DougLance: How much could I make with this? http://freelancefiction.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:16:47] bob_bobala: @milehighfool @jennips we’ll have to hook up on that at a later time for sure. #editorchat

[21:16:55] SuziSteffen: @JDEbberly I know you do! I read most of ’em. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:16:57] timecommander: The funny thing about Twitter is that due to innovation it will be way, way off the map in the near future. #editorchat

[21:17:01] jennipps: Twitter has helped me *loads* writing-wise (and source-wise, too). #editorchat

[21:17:05] milehighfool: @Hergett Immediacy as in deadline pressure? #editorchat

[21:17:30] Shelbow: Q2 Technology has facilitated my writing process — don’t know what I’d do without it! (And my roots are so old school.) #editorchat

[21:17:35] anndouglas: Generally, I’m very pro-technology. But if pub wants author to provide website full of videos, better be $ in contract #editorchat

[21:17:38] JDEbberly: RT @timecommander: The funny thing about Twitter is that due to innovation it will be way, way off the map in the near future. #editorchat

[21:17:41] jennipps: @bob_bobala @milehighfool Definitely! I’m looking forward to it. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:17:47] a2editor: @JenniferPerillo I can’t stand needing to feed the beast. That feeling guides me to do what I love, not what I “should” do. #editorchat

[21:17:48] rosefox: #editorchat Blogs have helped me connect with other writers/editors, and both get and assign freelance gigs with great success.

[21:17:48] ErikSherman: @anndouglas That’s a scary thought – hard enough to get publsihers to edit. So who pays for video production? #editorchat

[21:17:48] marciamarcia: @ErikSherman Amazed at how often publishers (and it seems writers) don’t seem to grok that w/o hearing firsthand. #editorchat

[21:18:12] JDEbberly: RT @rosefox: #editorchat Blogs have helped me connect with other writers/editors, and both get and assign freelance gigs with great success.

[21:18:13] bob_bobala: @milehighfool on finding sources on twitter, would definitely like you to elaborate on that at another time. #editorchat

[21:18:16] SuburbNews: @milehighfool Is #editorchat almost done? Just signing on and reading the dialog from the start…..

[21:18:25] jodifur: @JenniferPerillo what question? mac for word or too many blogs? #editorchat

[21:18:44] littlebrownpen: @rosefox Agree. It’s such a great way to connect. #editorchat

[21:18:56] ErikSherman: @marciamarcia They’re managing from wishful thinking, not from being in touch with reality. #editorchat

[21:18:56] LydiaBreakfast: @SuburbNews we go until 10pm EST #editorchat

[21:19:01] jesshatchigan: Q2 Twitter absolutely rocks my writing world – great contacts a Tweet away. #editorchat

[21:19:01] JDEbberly: @SuburbNews We still have about 40 minutes left in Editorchat #editorchat

[21:19:06] milehighfool: @rosefox Your own blogs or others? I have seen excellent bloggers have great success in publishing. #editorchat

[21:19:09] rosefox: @timecommander #editorchat What do you think will replace/supplant Twitter?

[21:19:25] sooutdoors: #editorchat Q2 the problem with technological innovation is that you can make a career out of learning and never apply anything.

[21:19:28] jennipps: RT @jesshatchigan Q2 Twitter absolutely rocks my writing world – great contacts a Tweet away. #editorchat

[21:19:29] JenniferPerillo: @jodifur too many blogs #editorchat

[21:19:33] wordful: I like that technology has made me feel so much more connected to everyone, which deeply affects my writing #editorchat

[21:19:45] Hergett: @milehighfool Deadlines I can handle-it is more the blogosphere and networking that demand ideas now. Writing as therapy suffers #editorchat

[21:19:47] LydiaBreakfast: Twitter has been invaluable for me for sources, and general info I might not have found on my own. Also HARO #editorchat

[21:20:02] joecortez: Q2: Tech innovation (i.e. Twitter) def. helps to bridge people & ideas together. The result is more complete content faster. #editorchat

[21:20:22] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool Me too. So many bloggers I know have book deals, columns in magazines, other paying blog gigs. #editorchat

[21:20:23] sooutdoors: So True RT @wordful: I like that technology has made me feel so much more connected to everyone, which deeply affects my writing #editorchat

[21:20:24] rosefox: @littlebrownpen #editorchat And a great way to see/share writing samples, albeit informal ones.

[21:20:24] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Kind of like knowing when to stop researching and start writing? #editorchat

[21:20:24] jennipps: @sooutdoors True. So the idea for me, then, is to learn enough that I can *begin* to apply it and then continue to learn as I go #editorchat

[21:20:27] milehighfool: @bob_bobala I’ll try now. The search mechanism on Twitter offers a great virew of thinking on a topic. (1/2) #editorchat

[21:20:32] timecommander: @rosefox Definitely something we’ve never heard of. And it won’t be a bad thing either. Change is embraced when it’s gradual. #editorchat

[21:20:36] bob_bobala: @Hergett isn’t blogging writing as therapy?! #editorchat

[21:20:36] JDEbberly: @rosefox I think utility glasses with an Internet connection will replace Twitter by 2013-2014 #editorchat

[21:21:09] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Tweeting for sources myself has also proven fruitful. Fact checking, surprisingly, hasn’t been too hard. (2/2) #editorchat

[21:21:09] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Agree Twitter has been great resource in researching recipes & leads. #editorchat

[21:21:09] LydiaBreakfast: Related Q 3 Editors: Has the Web and mobile Internet changed what you ask of your writers? Are you placing limits on them? #editorchat

[21:21:20] ErikSherman: @wordful I don’t feel that way – maybe because I’ve been around technology for way too long and used to it. #editorchat

[21:21:32] timecommander: @JDEbberly Hey, anything is possible1 #editorchat

[21:21:44] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast That’s where my learn-enough-to-start mo came into play. #editorchat

[21:21:45] milehighfool: RT @bob_bobala: @Hergett isn’t blogging writing as therapy?! #editorchat

[21:21:51] a2editor: @sooutdoors That’s true. I’m tired of tweets advising how to use Twitter, by people who do nothing but tell you how to use Twtr. #editorchat

[21:21:54] leanneclc: Q2 – Research is much easier w/google alerts. But writing is the same for me…gather info, outline, write (shut open windows) #editorchat

[21:21:58] bob_bobala: @milehighfool and i presume you’ve also made contacts that have lead to interviews. #editorchat

[21:22:03] shortformernie: Hey all, Ernie at @shortformblog here; was getting complaints about tweetchat clutter, so bug me here if you want to chat #editorchat

[21:22:18] jesshatchigan: @JenniferPerillo, on the too many blogs – yes. It’s overkill. #editorchat

[21:22:18] shortformernie: Also, feel free to add this account too. #editorchat

[21:22:19] timecommander: @JDEbberly Hey, anything is possible! #editorchat

[21:22:22] SuziSteffen: Q3 I’d like my writers to write for our blog and understand link-rich posts (yes, we link out of our site). But … #editorchat

[21:22:37] wordful: @ErikSherman I’ve been around it for so long, too. But for me it seems to make the world smaller and more intimate. #editorchat

[21:22:38] bob_bobala: @leanneclc yeah, you’ve got to keep the rain off your laptop. #editorchat

[21:22:43] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo I can’t say how many times I’ve made a dinner off of something I read on twitter πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:22:46] CMM_PR: RT @marciamarcia If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:22:46] a2editor: @sooutdoors …these people never actually take their own advice and USE Twitter. #editorchat

[21:22:57] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q 3 Editors: Has the Web, mobile Internet changed what you ask of writers? Are you placing limits on them? #editorchat

[21:22:57] konadad: Arriving late to #editorchat. How is everyone?

[21:23:16] ErikSherman: @wordful It certainly makes communication easier. #editorchat

[21:23:27] leanneclc: @a2editor ahhh twitter for twitter’s sake…let’s all become “social media consultants” I think the pay’s about the same #editorchat

[21:23:29] JDEbberly: RT @CMM_PR: RT @marciamarcia If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:23:31] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Can you expand on Q3? What do you mean by limits?

[21:23:39] LydiaBreakfast: @konadad swell thanks for joining #editorchat

[21:23:42] mariaelenaduron: @shortformernie I had 2 do the same thing.Was on a chat earlier 2day + 2 much noise 4 one day. MayB some1 will innovate solution #editorchat

[21:23:43] anndouglas: @JenniferPerillo That’s a very good point. I have to limit myself to specific blogs and specific SM. #editorchat

[21:23:47] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Absolutely. Twitter helps me engage where I hadn’t before. #editorchat

[21:23:53] joecortez: Web and wired culture has made editors expect more of me as a writer: because we r all connected, they want more content faster. #editorchat

[21:23:55] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Q3: No, not placing limits. All these technologies has made me ask more of writers. #editorchat

[21:24:01] wordful: @leanneclc that’s pretty funny…and true #editorchat

[21:24:02] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Twitter was my first stop for a kosher cooking question this week #editorchat

[21:24:14] continuum_q5: RT @timecommander: @JDEbberly Hey, anything is possible! #editorchat it’s all just a matter of time right?

[21:24:34] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @bob_bobala Absolutely. Twitter helps me engage where I hadn’t before. #editorchat

[21:24:35] a2editor: @leanneclc I’ve stopped following back anyone who calls themself a social media “expert” or “geek.” I can’t stand the advice. #edi

[21:24:41] shortformernie: @mariaelenaduron Yeah, multiple complaints. I had to do something. Sigh. #editorchat

[21:24:59] Hergett: @bob_bobala It can be, but when I write for me it’s usually old school pen and paper style… Not quite the same. #editorchat

[21:25:11] Mike_Evans_: what client are y’all using tto follow this chat #editorchat

[21:25:31] ErikSherman: @a2editor Doesn’t that just leave about three dozen people? #editorchat

[21:25:36] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Q3: To be a writer in the connected world, you need to be versatile. Can you write for the iphone, web, etc.? #editorchat

[21:25:38] anndouglas: @rosefox I love it too. My harddrive – not so much! .pdf overload! #editorchat

[21:25:45] Shelbow: Wouldn’t it be cool art if your Twitter feed was continuously projected on your wall? #editorchat

[21:25:47] jennipps: @a2editor Agreed. The only ones like that I follow back anymore are SEO peeps since I know little abt SEO, though I’m learning #editorchat

[21:25:56] ErikSherman: @Mike_Evans_ I’m trying TweetChat at the moment. #editorchat

[21:26:02] rosefox: @Mike_Evans_ #editorchat I’m just refreshing the twitter search page. There’s probably a more efficient way to do it…

[21:26:05] LydiaBreakfast: @Mike_Evans_ tweetgrid or tweetchat work #editorchat

[21:26:11] milehighfool: @rosefox One example: Are you asking for shorter articles to fit the medium? (Mobile, in this case.) #editorchat

[21:26:13] jennipps: @anndouglas Thanks for the reminder. I need to move my .pdfs to my external hard drive. #editorchat

[21:26:24] jg_rat: Out – have major breaking story #editorchat

[21:26:25] JDEbberly: @continuum_q5 Technological innovation will increase with time, which means that to keep up, we must optimize ourselves. #editorchat

[21:26:26] bob_bobala: @Hergett Ahh yes, the therapy of pen and paper. I gave that up a long time ago. No wonder I’m two sheets away from insane now. #editorchat

[21:26:30] dodgemedlin: @Mike_Evans_ I’m using Tweetchat. Works fine for me. #editorchat

[21:26:30] catekustanczy: RT @JDEbberly @milehighfool: @bob_bobala Twitter helps me engage -and connect, and learn, and expand -where I hadn’t before. #editorchat

[21:26:33] goodiesformom: @a2editor doesn’t it seem like everyone is a “social media expert” these days?? #editorchat

[21:26:38] marciamarcia: Only thing I ask differently from writers in the social media era is to not ignore the topic, pretend the tech isn’t there #editorchat

[21:26:43] littlebrownpen: @a2editor Agree. And enough with the I’m a guru/geek/expert etc. Ick. #editorchat

[21:26:49] BaileyMcC: @Mike_Evans_ TwitterFall, using only this hashtag #editorchat

[21:26:52] IrisJumbe: RT @a2editor:@leanneclc I’ve stopped following back anyone who calls themself a social media expert; I can’t stand the advice. #editorchat

[21:26:54] a2editor: @ErikSherman It’s not that bad. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:27:18] joecortez: @Mike_Evans_ Tweetgrid is a great tool to follow chats — its like Tweetdeck, except web based. #editorchat

[21:27:37] wordful: Great blog post by Skellie on “Social Media experts” http://tinyurl.com/cvc4pt #editorchat

[21:27:38] mhertz: Tweetchat. What a revelation… #editorchat

[21:27:40] shortformernie: Anyone who has 3,000 followers and the phrase “marketing expert” in their subject line doesn’t get followed back. No exceptions. #editorchat

[21:27:41] LydiaBreakfast: Related Q4 is creativity paying off in a business sense? #editorchat

[21:27:44] CMM_PR: Writers have to be multimedia pros, understand how to leverage numerous disparate SM channels & stay on topic. Challenging. #editorchat

[21:27:55] anndouglas: @leanneclc I think pay-for-content works when u can’t get content any other way. I pay for @mediabistro Otherwise, no. #editorchat

[21:27:59] milehighfool: @jg_rat Thanks for participating. #editorchat

[21:28:03] leanneclc: Q3 I think Twitter will be a help for mobile writing…short and attention getting. Has also helped with headline writing. #editorchat

[21:28:04] marciamarcia: @goodiesformom Outside this bubble, I don’t hear it much at all. Let’s not forget we’re still on the leading edge here. #editorchat

[21:28:09] littlebrownpen: @mhertz I know, right? It’s so 1999. #editorchat

[21:28:17] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast For me? It’s starting to. lol. #editorchat

[21:28:30] wordful: Great blog post by @skellie on “Social Media experts” http://tinyurl.com/cvc4pt #editorchat

[21:28:40] anndouglas: @leanneclc Just realized that’s what you were saying. Sorry for blanking out. #editorchat

[21:28:50] rosefox: @milehighfool #editorchat Ah. Not really, no. Book reviewing isn’t really affected by tech that way. #editorchat

[21:29:10] joecortez: Q4: Creativity always pays off in business: if I offer an angle or idea that someone else can’t, I’ll get business. No joke. #editorchat

[21:29:14] IrisJumbe: @mike_evans_ I’m trying out Nambu. Kinda buggy but a really clean interface #editorchat

[21:29:14] a2editor: @LydiaBreakfast Q4 I’m still waiting to see… #editorchat

[21:29:17] milehighfool: @shortformernie Especially if they followed 4,000 to get to 3,000. #editorchat

[21:29:24] jennipps: Q3 – Creativity paying off in a business sense – depends on the venue. Sometimes yes. Especially for sites like Twitter & Plurk. #editorchat

[21:29:26] LydiaBreakfast: If you missed it Q4 is creativity paying off in a business sense? #editorchat

[21:29:34] JenniferPerillo: Q4: More people are willing to compromise pay b/c they can work from home in PJs. That’s where the tech innovation becomes bad #editorchat

[21:29:48] leanneclc: @anndouglas no worries…it’s hard to keep up with this one…really some of the best content on twitter #editorchat

[21:29:49] amous: RT @JDEbberly: RT @CMM_PR: RT @marciamarcia If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:29:58] jennipps: Oops. Goofed again. Put Q3 instead of Q4. lol. #editorchat

[21:29:58] goodiesformom: @marciamarcia I get spam all the time from people telling me they are either social media or SEO experts. 😦 #editorchat

[21:30:12] SuziSteffen: Perfect RT @marciamarcia Only thing I ask diff from writers in social media era is to not ignore topic, pretend tech isn’t there #editorchat

[21:30:15] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo For the record, I get dressed (up) every day. Even if I am home all day. #editorchat

[21:30:19] JenniferPerillo: I am totally sucked into #editorchat and still have a pile of dinner dishes in the sink.

[21:30:34] milehighfool: Q4: I think writing for the Web — a platform that caters to innovation — has forced me to write better bursts of short content #editorchat

[21:30:54] shortformernie: @milehighfool Yep, you got it. πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[21:31:13] anndouglas: @ErikSherman Point I made to author who called me for advice. #editorchat

[21:31:16] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast Is creativity paying off ina business sense? Yes! Same old same ol gets you same ol same & who can afford that? #editorchat

[21:31:22] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Same here. Otherwise I feel more like lazing around instead of working. #editorchat

[21:31:28] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Q4: Sure. PW editors following #amazonfail on Twitter got a story and quote up before anyone else. #editorchat

[21:31:34] Mike_Evans_: Newby here . Can y’all send links to some of your writing, so I can learn from y’all? #editorchat

[21:31:37] jesshatchigan: RT @joecortez Q4:Creativity always pays off in business:if I offer an angle or idea that someone else can’t, I’ll get business #editorchat

[21:31:38] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo Dishes will be there after 10pm unfortunately no innovation can zap that #editorchat

[21:31:38] ErikSherman: Q4: I can often research more efficiently and have additional markets for my writing, so, yes, tech can pay. #editorchat

[21:31:39] leanneclc: @irisjumbe honestly, it depends on how good the interview is…not if it’s exclusive. I think exclusive is pretty elusive today #editorchat

[21:31:44] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Me too on getting dressed. Gotta set parameters but get the feeling many are that regimented. #editorchat

[21:31:48] joecortez: @JenniferPerillo Bad idea to sacrifice pay to work at home in PJ’s — getting face time with clients is the best thing I do! #editorchat

[21:31:52] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast People pay for creativity. Therefore it’s worth it in a business sense. #editorchat

[21:31:57] IrisJumbe: Q4 Creativity of concept can definitely pay off in this climate, more so than creative content. Everyone is looking 4 new ideas #editorchat

[21:32:01] shortformernie: I think I’m bolder in my creativity on the Web. I think further outside the box and am willing to say no less. #editorchat

[21:32:06] SuburbNews: #editorchat Soc media tools are building stronger relationships with readers, subscribers. But still such a small % of readers so worth it?

[21:32:10] jennipps: @JenniferPerillo I try to tell people it’s addictive. Some don’t believe me though. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:32:10] LydiaBreakfast: @Mike_Evans_ We do links at the end of the chat #editorchat

[21:32:14] milehighfool: Still on Q4: Have you had success trying innovations that have boosted revenue or your personal income? #editorchat

[21:32:20] SuziSteffen: @rosefox Yeah, and then the site crashed like CRAZY! Unintended consequences of Twitter linkage. #editorchat

[21:32:25] anndouglas: @jennipps Should do that, too. Can’t do much more research until I do! #editorchat

[21:32:29] littlebrownpen: @jennipps @LydiaBreakfast Okay, so it’s not cool to work on the bed in yoga pants? I missed that memo. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:32:35] shortformernie: There’s a lot more reasons to say no to something in print. #editorchat

[21:32:46] WarLordwrites: RT @Mike_Evans_: Newby here . Can y’all send links to some of your writing, so I can learn from y’all? #editorchat

[21:32:51] jennipps: RT @IrisJumbe Q4 Creativity of concept can definitely pay off in this climate, more so than creative content. #editorchat

[21:32:59] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Waiting for Rosie to become a reality from the Jetsons! #editorchat

[21:33:12] jennipps: @littlebrownpen If it works for you, go for it! πŸ™‚ Just doesn’t work for me. #editorchat

[21:33:19] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Ha ha ha #editorchat

[21:33:22] marciamarcia: @milehighfool No doubt the web has honed my writing and tightening skills. [Even this sentence started w/ more characters] #editorchat

[21:33:24] JDEbberly: RT @IrisJumbe Q4 Creativity of concept can definitely pay off in this climate, more so than creative content. #editorchat

[21:33:30] anndouglas: RT @jesshatchigan Whose idea was it to combine word processing with the greatest distraction ever & the same keyboard? #editorchat

[21:33:34] Sirjohn_writer: RT @ErikSherman: Q4: I can often research more efficiently and have additional markets for my writing, so, yes, tech can pay. #editorchat

[21:33:34] milehighfool: @shortformernie How so? In terms of a query? #editorchat

[21:33:36] CMM_PR: Brevity and speed are also demanded in the hypernews, ‘always on’, online medium. Brings the need for creativity. #editorchat

[21:33:41] timecommander: @milehighfool Every reader of my blog is a success to me because of the fact that I produce unique content. So my answer is yes. #editorchat

[21:33:44] leanneclc: @Hergett I have to disagree about them being valuable – they aren’t staying in business so the community doesn’t see the value #editorchat

[21:33:46] jesshatchigan: @littlebrownpen @jennipps @LydiaBreakfast, I thought the fuzzy slippers were a guaranteed perk. #editorchat

[21:33:51] Hergett: @SuburbNews But the % of readers following is growing. What is small now, may not always be so. #editorchat

[21:33:52] rosefox: @SuziSteffen #editorchat I blame @wilw! But even with the crash, a lot of people saw our site, saw our ads; we got good buzz. #editorchat

[21:33:59] shortformernie: Q4: Heck, I came up with my approach to ShortFormBlog because I didn’t have anyone besides myself to say no to. #editorchat

[21:34:31] continuum_q5: @JDEbberly and time will have to adapt #editorchat

[21:34:36] Sirjohn_writer: RT @JenniferPerillo: I am totally sucked into #editorchat and still have a pile of dinner dishes in the sink.

[21:34:39] mhertz: Q4 My greatest creativity has been somehow finding freelance assignments after being laid off late last year. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:34:46] jennipps: @jesshatchigan Don’t know about fuzzy slippers, but going around in socks w/o shoes definitely is in my book. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:34:49] Mike_Evans_: thx @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat

[21:35:00] JDEbberly: @KBordessa Thanks! I hope I am over this bug by next wednesday! #editorchat

[21:35:23] shortformernie: @milehighfool In print, you have limited space. Online, the only limits are your imagination and not angering readers. #editorchat

[21:35:50] SuziSteffen: Great discussions, as usual, y’all. Off to feed the kitten & make dinner (and, @JenniferPerillo, do *breakfast* dishes πŸ˜‰ ). #editorchat

[21:36:08] jennipps: @shortformernie And attention spans count as a limitation sometimes. #editorchat

[21:36:10] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Ha ha, I actually used to do that when I worked at Random House (along with a few others) #editorchat

[21:36:12] christopherhire: RT @jesshatchigan: Q@: Whose idea was it to combine word processing with the greatest distraction ever & the same keyboard? #editorchat

[21:36:21] a2editor: @shortformernie …and the reader’s attention span. Is that not a significant limit? #editorchat

[21:36:29] goodiesformom: @mhertz ok, I need to hook up with you because we are looking at possible layoffs #editorchat

[21:36:33] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen Thanks for joining us Suzi #editorchat

[21:36:35] ErikSherman: @mhertz Ah, finding freelance work – mostly a matter of putting enough time into the marketing grind. #editorchat

[21:36:43] jesshatchigan: Q4 There are only 26 letters in the alphabet. Put them together creatively and you’ve got the latest bestseller. #editorchat

[21:36:46] anndouglas: When I’m writing for print, I feel constrained because I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:36:58] IrisJumbe: @mhertz That’s great to hear:) I quit my job to go fulltime freelance a little over a year ago so have to think on my feet too. #editorchat

[21:37:06] shortformernie: @jennipps @a2editor No disagreement there. πŸ˜› #editorchat

[21:37:06] jennipps: @ErikSherman ANd the day job seriously interferes with that. *s* #editorchat

[21:37:21] hotspringer: Oddly, a big chunk of creativity goes into marketing freelance work. #editorchat

[21:37:24] KBordessa: @anndouglas Absolutely agree about not being able to hyperlink! #editorchat

[21:37:27] anndouglas: RT @jesshatchigan There are only 26 letters in the alphabet. Put them together creatively and you’ve got the latest bestseller. #editorchat

[21:37:30] CMM_PR: @shortformernie Don’t you find that you are also limited in time to post? Content can become outdated so quickly. #editorchat

[21:37:36] marciamarcia: @anndouglas Heck, I feel constrained when I *read* print that I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:37:37] SuburbNews: @Hergett I’m all for soc media, stronger connections, two-way dialog. Hope biz model comes to support innovations. #editorchat

[21:37:43] jennipps: RT @jesshatchigan Q4 There are only 26 letters in the alphabet. Put them together creatively & you’ve got the latest bestseller. #editorchat

[21:37:44] ErikSherman: @IrisJumbe I’ve been freelancing for 13 years and supporting my family – it’s possible. #editorchat

[21:37:53] goodiesformom: @shortformernie I love that online you can make a post as long or as short as you want. #editorchat

[21:37:55] timecommander: @anndouglas Another example of how the internet changed us completely and in every way. #editorchat

[21:37:57] milehighfool: @anndouglas Good point. Hyperlinking saves a lot of words for me. #editorchat

[21:38:00] mhertz: @goodiesformom I’ll do what I can, but I’m still looking for more work, believe you me. Never-ending process. #editorchat

[21:38:01] LydiaBreakfast: Q5 where is the line drawn between writer, editor and community? Is it really good for writers if community writes content too? #editorchat

[21:38:14] rosefox: @anndouglas #editorchat That frustrates me so much! I’ve started thinking in hyperlinks. Printed text is confining now. #editorchat

[21:38:15] anndouglas: @jesshatchigan Jess, that #quote belongs in an #anthology of #quotes for #writers. #editorchat

[21:38:17] ErikSherman: @jennipps There’s the difference – it *is* my day job. #editorchat

[21:38:27] bob_bobala: RT @jesshatchigan There are only 26 letters in the alphabet. Put them together creatively and you’ve got the latest bestseller. #editorchat

[21:38:31] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Outstanding! That’s great to hear. #editorchat

[21:38:34] a2editor: @CMM_PR Agreed. B/c I’m an editor (like to get things right) I struggle w/ posting in a timely manner and being proud of my wk. #editorchat

[21:38:36] mathewi: RT @anndouglas: When I’m writing for print, I feel constrained because I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:38:47] KatPowers: RT@marciamarcia @anndouglas Heck, I feel constrained when I *read* print that I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:38:47] jennipps: @ErikSherman I’m trying to get to a point where it is mine. Making progress, but I’m not there yet. #editorchat

[21:38:48] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast Hey when did you work @ RH? I was at Crown from 96-02. Ad/promo, not editorial. #editorchat

[21:38:56] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Q5 The line is getting fuzzier all the time. #editorchat

[21:38:57] ErikSherman: @anndouglas #oy #editorchat

[21:38:58] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Mine too, for the last nearly ten years πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:39:02] solotraveler: RT @hotspringer: Oddly, a big chunk of creativity goes into marketing freelance work. #editorchat. sure does!

[21:39:19] marciamarcia: @jesshatchigan These days, for a bestseller, you often need to speak those 26 letters creatively too. #editorchat

[21:39:28] wordful: Hyperlinks are the currency of the web. #editorchat

[21:39:33] JDEbberly: RT @solotraveler: RT @hotspringer: Oddly, a big chunk of creativity goes into marketing freelance work. #editorchat. sure does!

[21:39:34] LydiaBreakfast: @debbieharry Just missed you then, 87-95 (#old) #editorchat

[21:39:55] jennipps: Q5 – Depends on the atmosphere fostered in the community. Was a member of 1 where it wasn’t good. Now a member of 1 where it is. #editorchat

[21:39:56] milehighfool: Q5: Finally to the community question. it’s the one that really bothers me. As the line gets fuzzy, the writer becomes optional. #editorchat

[21:39:58] mhertz: Q5 Excellent question, because I’m about to possibly take a job where that line will definitely blur. It’s a challenge. #editorchat

[21:40:08] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Q5: My background is science fiction/fantasy, where the writer/reader/community line always blurs… #editorchat

[21:40:10] shortformernie: @CMM_PR That’s my biggest constraint with ShortFormBlog. So I understand. πŸ˜› #editorchat

[21:40:22] IrisJumbe: @LydiaBreakfast Lydia, are you asking if writers feel threatened by community writers? #editorchat

[21:40:27] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast One of the many meanings of life is for interaction between animals. #editorchat

[21:40:30] bob_bobala: Q5 I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:40:41] jesshatchigan: @anndouglas, thanks, Ann. You made my day (chat?) πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:40:48] a2editor: Q5 Community can produce great content, but the craft of the writing gets lost, and only the editors and writers notice. Sad. #editorchat

[21:40:48] jodifur: @JenniferPerillo oh yeah. Totally me #editorchat

[21:40:53] jennipps: RT @bob_bobala Q5 I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:40:57] Hergett: @SuburbNews If papers want to survive, they have to change how they connect with social media. And I’m all for survival! #editorchat

[21:40:59] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat …and I’m in favor of that blurring. More content means more need for editors and anthologists. #editorchat

[21:41:04] continuum_q5: RT @timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast One of the many meanings of life is for interaction between animals. #editorchat it all starts somewhere.

[21:41:10] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast Were you @ little random? We’ll have to play six degrees sometime. #editorchat

[21:41:17] gmarkham: @SuburbNews the efforts for small % of readers now will pay off as the mediascape continues to change. #editorchat

[21:41:23] bob_bobala: @milehighfool It’s not the writer becomes optional. It’s that everybody becomes a writer. #editorchat

[21:41:30] LydiaBreakfast: @rosefox very interesting, we have not explored this fully and may be a topic in an upcoming discussion #editorchat

[21:41:41] anndouglas: @jesshatchigan Happy to hear that, Jess. It was brilliant. Couldn’t let it go un-hashtagged! #editorchat

[21:41:44] timecommander: @jesshatchigan She is really right. It is quite the unforgettable quote. #editorchat

[21:42:03] sooutdoors: Q5 #editorchat this is a troublesome issue. I can see how editors can be seduced by community content, but I feel it’s short term thinking.

[21:42:05] mathewi: RT @bob_bobala: I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:42:10] mhertz: @rosefox More content also means, unfortunately, more reason for publishers to charge less for said content. #editorchat

[21:42:12] LydiaBreakfast: @debbieharry Special Markets (dealt with all the imprints including Childrens and Outlet) #editorchat

[21:42:12] JenniferPerillo: And so the gal from Brooklyn blabs but forgot to say hi. I’m food editor at Working Mother & a freelance recipe developer #editorchat.

[21:42:17] marciamarcia: @a2editor Persnickety readers (and we probably all have them), notice too. #editorchat

[21:42:25] Shelbow: RT @bob_bobala Q5 I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:42:31] ErikSherman: @bob_bobala When everyone writes, the business advantage, now as always, comes from doing it better than most competitors. #editorchat

[21:42:32] SuburbNews: @gmarkham That’s what I’m banking on (and my husb and kids πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:42:36] JDEbberly: RT @bob_bobala: I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:42:37] IrisJumbe: @ErikSherman That’s my belief, too, Erik. Always encouraging to have it reinforced by someone with a lot of experience πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:42:39] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat That would be great. I can go on about this for hours. *grin* #editorchat

[21:42:40] CMM_PR: Q5 Writers and editors are trained and adhere to Journalistic standards. But community is free form, w/o parameters – new. #editorchat

[21:42:40] bob_bobala: @a2editor I agree it’s harder, but good writers should stand out from the din. #editorchat

[21:42:43] timecommander: @mhertz More content means less quality content. #editorchat

[21:42:48] Hergett: @LydiaBreakfast We’re trying to find ways to integrate community bloggers/writers into our paper site. More voices=more readers. #editorchat

[21:42:50] Dramagirl: RT @jg_rat: Q2 Wish I had time to write. Too busy innovating :o) #editorchat

[21:42:51] goodiesformom: @jennipps it is so true that often only writers/editors notice the bad but great writers still shine #editorchat

[21:42:53] a2editor: Q5 Community writers have a great opportunity to break into writing. Tough to stand out, tho… #editorchat

[21:42:56] wordful: RT @bob_bobala Q5 I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:43:00] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Interesting point. @rosefox’s idea, too. More content means more need for experts. #editorchat

[21:43:02] mhertz: @rosefox I meant to say “pay” less for said content. #editorchat

[21:43:08] anndouglas: @rosefox Very similar blurring of lines in pregnancy/parenting community. I also love it. #editorchat

[21:43:21] jennipps: RT @ErikSherman @bob_bobala When everyone writes, the business advantage, now as always, comes from doing it better than most #editorchat

[21:43:22] SuburbNews: #editorchat Q5: if it leads to more engaged, connected comm – & as long as citizen journos don’t replace all but a few paid journos – yes!

[21:43:37] LydiaBreakfast: @rosefox we’ll definitely have to connect on this one then – I’ll DM you for more info #editorchat

[21:43:38] ErikSherman: Sorry, didn’t introduce myself – freelance writer ,working in print, online, on stage, on demand, on deadline #editorchat

[21:43:45] bob_bobala: @timecommander Well, more content means it’s harder to find quality content, but there could actually be MORE quality out there. #editorchat

[21:43:47] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast i’m so tempted to start reeling off names, but i won’t. leave it for DMs! #editorchat

[21:43:51] IrisJumbe: @Shelbow Haha. Can’t argue with that. And I’m also with @littlebrownpen re: working in one’s PJ’s. So liberating πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:43:59] jesshatchigan: Q5 Writers are part of the community, but also observers/commentators – we wear 2 (3?) hats. #editorchat

[21:44:00] littlebrownpen: This all sounds very much like the business model for about.com cicra 2000. They were ahead of the game (I was an ed there). #editorchat

[21:44:16] rosefox: @mhertz #editorchat That assumes content is fungible. I disagree, and business plans with that assumption will fail. #editorchat

[21:44:26] wordful: @milehighfool more content indicates the value of the editor will surely rise on the web #editorchat

[21:44:40] marciamarcia: I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. via @bob_bobala #editorchat

[21:44:47] JDEbberly: RT @wordful: @milehighfool more content indicates the value of the editor will surely rise on the web #editorchat

[21:44:48] pam_baumeister: Hi all. I’ll be in and out here….but, wanted to introduce myself: I’m the editor/assoc. publisher of a woman’s magazine in UT #editorchat

[21:44:51] joecortez: Q5: Community Writers encourage communal discussion. But without editor, can also encourage misinformation. #editorchat

[21:44:53] jesshatchigan: RT @ErikSherman @bob_bobala When everyone writes, the business advantage, now as always, comes from doing it better than most #editorchat

[21:44:55] timecommander: @bob_bobala You have quite the optimistic view on life. #editorchat

[21:45:03] bob_bobala: @jennipps Yes, I really believe — at least where I work in technology — that content can be a differentiator. #editorchat

[21:45:07] littlebrownpen: About.com – Niche topic sites, community-driven content, non-professional writers with professional editors. Bought out by NYT. #editorchat

[21:45:08] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool More need for experts … but it takes a while for those who pay to recognize that need. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:45:13] tamera: How do you fund & provide access/ sources for a Sy Hersh under a citizen journo/ different model? #editorchat

[21:45:16] a2editor: @wordful You’d think so, but pubs are laying off editors before writers b/c they need content producers to survive. #editorchat

[21:45:20] milehighfool: @pam_baumeister You finally made it. Welcome, Pam. #editorchat

[21:45:20] anndouglas: @bob_bobala I love it when someone who doesn’t consider himself/herself a writer emerges w/powerful voice. #editorchat

[21:45:27] pam_baumeister: RT @joecortez: Q5: Community Writers encourage communal discussion. But without editor, can also encourage misinformation. #editorchat

[21:45:32] CMM_PR: @bob_bobala A great point. There’s also the issue of content ownership. #editorchat

[21:45:35] Mike_Evans_: Sorry, didn’t introduce myself – freelance writer ,working in print, online, on stage, #editorchat

[21:45:58] JenniferPerillo: @JoeCortez Personally, I don’t work in PJs but get the feeling others do. Just saying…#editorchat

[21:46:00] pam_baumeister: Hi @littlebrownpen! My alter-ego is @wasatchwoman #editorchat

[21:46:01] bob_bobala: @timecommander Ha ha. If only you knew me. #editorchat

[21:46:03] anndouglas: bob_bobala It’s such a joy to witness the spontaneous birth of a writer. #editorchat

[21:46:05] wordful: @a2editor then maybe editors should become writers as well…at least for now! #editorchat

[21:46:06] littlebrownpen: RT @joecortez: Q5: Community Writers encourage communal discussion. But without editor, can also encourage misinformation. #editorchat

[21:46:06] LydiaBreakfast: Then shouldn’t the community have a designated space not to be confused with the professional writers? #editorchat

[21:46:06] mhertz: @rosefox I hope you’re right, because I hear about more and more “$10 for 1,000 word” models out there. #editorchat

[21:46:17] pam_baumeister: @milehighfool Thanks for the welcome! Good to be here – finally. #editorchat

[21:46:26] KBordessa: @littlebrownpen As a writer, though, I avoid About.com sites. Not everyone does though, I suppose. #editorchat

[21:46:39] a2editor: @wordful That’s exactly what I did, lol. #editorchat

[21:46:41] anndouglas: @bob_bobala It’s such a joy to witness the spontaneous birth of a writer. #editorchat

[21:46:51] BeckyDMBR: @a2editor Yes, publications have been cutting editors and fact-checkers for decades. It’s hurt the biz. #editorchat

[21:46:53] timecommander: @bob_bobala A ton of things are differentiators though. Design, community, etc. You can’t really boil it done to content, IMO. #editorchat

[21:46:56] pam_baumeister: @LydiaBreakfast I agree with you, Lydia. The community needs to feel they have a voice, too. I let comm writers write online. #editorchat

[21:47:02] bob_bobala: @CMM_PR Yes, content ownership is a big one. When I worked at Motley Fool, we owned everything you wrote in our community. #editorchat

[21:47:07] milehighfool: To me, the real threat of innovation comes with ignoring the tools and refusing to experiment. In that sense, community is fuel. #editorchat

[21:47:42] wordful: @LydiaBreakfast that’s a good point — designate professional writers from community writers #editorchat

[21:47:51] littlebrownpen: @KBordessa Absolutely agree. The quality of the content was horrible. I avoid the sites as well. The model failed, really. #editorchat

[21:47:54] timecommander: @milehighfool That’s a great point. The other threat is that it’s used opposite of it’s intention. #editorchat

[21:47:57] LydiaBreakfast: @pam_baumeister Hello there, glad you could join in πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:48:02] AdinaGenn: @jesshatchigan q5 now is partiuclarly interesting for those of us struglling w/writing about the economy #editorchat

[21:48:12] leanneclc: @KBordessa I don’t avoid any sites…just weigh their content appropriately and check facts as needed…good kernels everywhere #editorchat

[21:48:17] rosefox: @mhertz #editorchat Constant Content won’t replace the NY Times; Make won’t replace engineering journals. There’s room for all. #editorchat

[21:48:31] bob_bobala: @timecommander Yeah I agree that all those can make your site/product stand out. Just saying content can really play a part. #editorchat

[21:48:35] milehighfool: @mhertz I’m not so sure that’s professional writing. Content bricklaying, perhaps. #editorchat

[21:48:36] pam_baumeister: @JenniferPerillo Ha! Working in PJ’s is never good for me. I feel I have to get “made up” to work. Especially @ the office. #editorchat

[21:48:48] a2editor: @BeckyDMBR Yes w/out editors, many writers’ work isn’t a lot better than community (sorry): harder to see value in paid content. #editorchat

[21:49:01] SpecialDee: If you’re new to TweetDeck, you can follow #editorchat by doing a Search which creates its own column for that chat.

[21:49:13] bob_bobala: @rosefox @mhertz Amen. I hope that is true. #editorchat

[21:49:14] jennipps: @milehighfool Content bricklaying – Good analogy. #editorchat

[21:49:38] marciamarcia: I bristle over suggestion to separate “real writers” from community writers. Imagine if we did that for tech dev or leadership. #editorchat

[21:49:49] jesshatchigan: @AdinaGenn, Hi Adina – in what way re Q5? #editorchat

[21:49:51] leanneclc: Isn’t writing kind of like running? You would do it anyway, because you can’t not (don’t tell those who pay you that, tho) #editorchat

[21:49:51] pam_baumeister: @a2editor I agree. Most community writers really need a good editor. Sadly, not all of them learn to self-edit. #editorchat

[21:49:52] IrisJumbe: RT @leanneclc I don’t avoid any sites. just weigh their content appropriately & check facts as needed. good kernels everywhere #editorchat

[21:49:56] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool Love it – “content bricklaying.” #editorchat

[21:49:59] mhertz: @milehighfool Content bricklaying. Nice. Sounds glamorous, no? #editorchat

[21:50:01] BeckyDMBR: @a2editor Yes, I’m seeing that a lot now. #editorchat

[21:50:06] anndouglas: RT @marciamarcia Heck, I feel constrained when I *read* print that I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:50:09] CMM_PR: @LydiaBreakfast Designating community vs professional writers could impact the perceived value of content. #editorchat

[21:50:31] ErikSherman: @a2editor Must agree – last time I did some significant editing, I was appalled at how copy came in. #editorchat

[21:50:33] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful I write because I can get paid to write. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:50:41] bob_bobala: @pam_baumeister Ha. I know a lot of “writer” writers who don’t self-edit and need to. #editorchat

[21:50:52] MonroeOnABudget: RT @anndouglas When I’m writing for print, I feel constrained because I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat *OMG I’ve felt that way too at times.

[21:51:03] pam_baumeister: @marciamarcia I don’t think we need to divide out “real writers,” from community writers. They need training/mentoring, though. #editorchat

[21:51:23] timecommander: Q6: How has editing made a difference to your writing skills? #editorchat

[21:51:24] jesshatchigan: @leanneclc. amen and shhhh. My lips are sealed. #editorchat

[21:51:24] BeckyDMBR: @ErikSherman I used to edit lawyers, so I’m not sure I’d be terribly surprised. Would I? πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:51:24] gmarkham: @Wordful I think the pros will stand out; rather than separate them, help those in community who want to be journos (not all do) #editorchat

[21:51:34] bob_bobala: @CMM_PR I think this really comes into play when subject matter experts are involved, like on taxes with TurboTax commmunity. #editorchat

[21:51:40] jlcommunication: @LydiaBreakfast Just joining in but what separates professional from com. writer? What if com is better then ‘pro’ #editorchat

[21:51:42] pam_baumeister: @bob_bobala I know a lot of those same “writer” writers. πŸ˜‰ I usually don’t use them more than twice in my pub. #editorchat

[21:51:42] AdinaGenn: @jesshatchigan meant to say writers r struggling w. the economy and writing about those struggling w. economy too #editorchat

[21:52:13] milehighfool: @marciamarcia Yes, but there is a difference between a well-researched article and a $5 rant. I want publishers to see that. #editorchat

[21:52:29] bob_bobala: @pam_baumeister Amen, sister. Writers, take note! #editorchat

[21:52:37] LydiaBreakfast: @jlcommunication I didn’t say they should be separated, it was a question for others to answer how they handle at their own pubs #editorchat

[21:52:39] JDEbberly: @QuickenPRChels I might just have to post that nugget on Twitter! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:52:42] wordful: @gmarkham yeah, HuffPo does this. They have a ton of guest bloggers. #editorchat

[21:52:55] ErikSherman: @BeckyDMBR Oh, that had to be interesting. #editorchat

[21:52:56] jennipps: @milehighfool I would hope that they do, but, of course, no guarantees. #editorchat

[21:52:57] anndouglas: RT @marciamarcia “I bristle over suggestion to separate “real writers” from community writers. [strongly agree: it’s rude] #editorchat

[21:52:58] joecortez: Q6: Editing forces me to take a second look: this makes me acknowledge my shortcomings, so I don’t repeat. Result: efficiency! #editorchat

[21:53:27] pam_baumeister: @jlcommunication good question. RT: what separates professional from community writer? What if com is better then ‘pro’ #editorchat

[21:53:28] jennipps: My computer hiccuped & had to restart Firefox. Can someone RT Q6 please? #editorchat

[21:53:41] karasw: RT @rosefox That frustrates me so much! I’ve started thinking in hyperlinks. Printed text is confining now. #editorchat

[21:53:43] ErikSherman: @milehighfool No, you want the publisher to see it and to care. The problem is that many don’t. #editorchat

[21:53:50] jlcommunication: @LydiaBreakfast Sorry. As I said, late to game. #editorchat

[21:54:11] pam_baumeister: @joecortez So true. I’ve learned so much as an editor. I can’t say that my writing is perfect, but I’ve learned what not to do. #editorchat

[21:54:12] marciamarcia: @laurakratochvil “Real writers write for the community.” Exactly. Thank you. #editorchat

[21:54:21] leanneclc: Then would “real” writers be like “real” artists? Only those who get paid are “real”? Hmmm history disagrees #editorch

[21:54:23] milehighfool: Killjoy warning: seven minutes left. Re-introduce yourself and post a link beginning at 9:55 pm. #editorchat

[21:54:36] SpecialDee: Do you think citizen journalism is the appropriate phrase for writers not employed by a news agency? #editorchat

[21:54:37] LydiaBreakfast: @jlcommunication no prob, just wanted to clarify for the others who thought it was a stance and not a question #editorchat

[21:54:40] JDEbberly: RT @marciamarcia: @laurakratochvil “Real writers write for the community.” Exactly. Thank you. #editorchat

[21:54:48] a2editor: @pam_baumeister If com is better than pro, they should be noticed and given a staff position. #editorchat

[21:54:57] jesshatchigan: @AdinaGenn, that is a good point. Thank you. #editorchat

[21:54:58] hotspringer: Generally, good writing proceeds from clear thinking. Good editing helps a writer think more so the reader has to think less. #editorchat

[21:55:14] jennipps: I try to self-edit. Will be going to a workshop on it at the end of the month, so that should help me out. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:55:14] goodiesformom: @pam_baumeister I learn so much more from editing and I think it has made me a much better writer. #editorchat

[21:55:23] littlebrownpen: Q6: I learned how to write much better thanks to a great (mean! tough! thorough!) editor. #editorchat

[21:55:35] joecortez: @pam_baumeister I’m still learning from editors present and past — some of them the best I know have been non-pro grammar cops! #editorchat

[21:55:36] a2editor: @pam_baumeister Note I said “should.” There are great writers not being paid anything. #editorchat

[21:55:37] wordful: RT @laurakratochvil “Real writers write for the community.” That pretty much sums that up….great stuff #editorchat

[21:55:42] bob_bobala: @pam_baumeister @jlcommunication If community is better than the pro, hire the community. #editorchat

[21:55:49] BeckyDMBR: @ErikSherman Yeah, I drank a lot. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:55:53] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Good point. And, as it happens, some of these publishers chalk up not caring to Innovation. #editorchat

[21:55:57] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Killjoy warning: seven minutes left. Re-introduce yourself and post a link beginning at 9:55 pm. #editorchat

[21:56:08] jesshatchigan: RT @hotspringer …. Good editing helps a writer think more so the reader has to think less. #editorchat

[21:56:12] IrisJumbe: Q6 I’ve always self-edited. Even b4 it was my job. It makes me conscious of space & helps keep the language succinct. #editorchat

[21:56:17] CMM_PR: @pam_baumeister A great quality of community is the newness of their approach to to the medium. Distinction from J’s is easy 2 c #editorchat

[21:56:20] SpecialDee: Special Sections editor of Maine newspaper http://specialdee.wordpress.com Great conversation tonight! #editorchat

[21:56:21] mhertz: Q6: As an editor (and copy editor), it takes me that much longer to write because I’m always editing (and copy editing) myself! #editorchat

[21:56:28] pam_baumeister: @a2editor Yes! Or, given regular writing assignments. I have lots of comm writers who think b/c they blog, they can write. #editorchat

[21:56:36] JenniferPerillo: RT @hotspringer: Good writing proceeds from clear thinking. Good editing helps a writer think more so reader has to think less. #editorchat

[21:56:40] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful What does HuffPo do? #editorchat

[21:56:41] AdinaGenn: @jesshatchigan especially as a freelance writer, chasing down invoices and looking for assignments is an art! #editorchat

[21:56:53] Hergett: RT @hotspringer Good writing proceeds from clear thinking Good editing helps a writer think more so the reader has to think less #editorchat

[21:56:59] marciamarcia: @milehighfool From a publisher’s perspective, a $5 rant can be more valuable. That’s what seems unfortunate. #editorchat

[21:57:06] LydiaBreakfast: @IrisJumbe Me too! #editorchat

[21:57:10] a2editor: Laura Cowan, freelance editor and writer working in book publishing and automotive media. Nice to see you all! Great topics. #editorchat

[21:57:14] leanneclc: So jealous of you who have had the ability to do one or the other…always worked for small companies, did both simultaneously #editorchat

[21:57:15] ErikSherman: @milehighfool It’s back to thinking of writing as content and, ironically, focusing more on the business than the audience. #editorchat

[21:57:18] littlebrownpen: Agree. Good writing = good thinking. Training not always relevant. #editorchat

[21:57:20] konadad: RT @littlebrownpen: Q6: I learned how to write much better thanks to a great (mean! tough! thorough!) editor. #editorchat

[21:57:22] CMM_PR: A blogger does not a writer make! #editorchat

[21:57:23] anndouglas: @leanneclc Agree. Some of the best writing I’ve done has been in support of causes I believe in. Not always $ involved. #editorchat

[21:57:36] jesshatchigan: @jennipps @milehighfool Content bricklaying – Good analogy. #editorchat ~have worked w engineers. Agree re good analogy.

[21:57:39] pam_baumeister: @joecortez Oh! I know! Those that can coach you on your grammar are the best editors. I owe a lot to some of my early editors. #editorchat

[21:57:39] JenniferPerillo: Ok, really need to get off twitter. The Mr. is getting cranky. Will catch last mins of #editorchat in the AM.

[21:57:41] wordful: @BeckyDMBR They have several contributing writers/bloggers. #editorchat

[21:57:55] LydiaBreakfast: OK tweeps time to reintroduce and send us your links #editorchat

[21:58:23] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo reintroduce yourself and send links #editorchat

[21:58:33] jlcommunication: @CMM_PR But can a writer also blog? #editorchat

[21:58:33] KatPowers: @marciamarcia I find I need the $5 rant to set me off on an investigation. That helps my work #editorchat

[21:58:41] JenniferPerillo: And for the record folks, I’m at the “office” dressed everyday. Just posed the PJ scenario b/c you know it’s happening! #editorchat

[21:58:41] SuburbNews: #editorchat Another question might be: what level of writing do readers want? Do they want citizen or pro-style? What if former?

[21:58:46] pam_baumeister: @CMM_PR True. Community writer’s can bring a freshness to a publication that seasoned writers sometimes lose. #editorchat

[21:58:54] a2editor: @pam_baumeister Now that’s a big topic to discuss in itself… #editorchat

[21:59:06] jennipps: Jen Nipps, fl writer in south Oklahoma. Contributor at TutorialBlog (www.tutorialblog.org/author/jen-nipps) Next article due Fri #editorchat

[21:59:08] CMM_PR: @jlcommunication Absolutely! #editorchat

[21:59:10] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful That’s about all they have. I believe HuffPo has 2000+ unpaid bloggers. #editorchat

[21:59:15] ErikSherman: Freelance covering business, technology, food, arts, and a few other things: http://www.eriksherman.com #editorchat

[21:59:16] wordful: Charles here…editor, writer and blogger. Very deflated today thanks to the IRS. More up to par next week on #editorchat

[21:59:18] JDEbberly: RT Oh! I know! Those that can coach you on your grammar are the best editors. I owe lot to some of my early editors #editorchat

[21:59:25] rosefox: #editorchat Rose Fox, PW book reviews editor, freelance medical journalist. Great talking with you! http://rosejasperfox.com #editorchat

[21:59:36] KBordessa: RT pam_baumeister @CMM_PR True. Community writer’s can bring a freshness to a publication that seasoned writers sometimes lose. #editorchat

[21:59:36] joecortez: @CMM_PR Blogger and Writer can be mutually exclusive — But not necessarily. Depends on the skill and ability of the wizard. #editorchat

[21:59:40] LydiaBreakfast: You are all welcome to continue the discusson at editorchat.wordpress.com but we’ve got to close shop here #editorchat

[21:59:46] pam_baumeister: RT: @CMM_PR A blogger does not a writer make! — If I had a dime for every blogger who has pitched me to write a column… #editorchat

[21:59:48] SuburbNews: #editorchat Of course, I don’t mean hard-hitting watchdog, investigations. But for other “news” is our writing style out of date? Q only

[21:59:48] JDEbberly: JD Ebberly. I write about blogging & New Media. I’ll update you on the same and much more at —> @JDEbberly #editorchat

[21:59:53] JenniferPerillo: @JenniferPerillo: Good night from Jennifer in Bklyn, NY. See ya at http://www.InJenniesKitchen.com! #editorchat

[22:00:03] leanneclc: @CMM_PR but a paid writer does not a “real” writer make either. Many bloggers have a long history in “professional writing” #edit

[22:00:03] unearthingasia: just joining #editorchat in time for.. reintroduction? did I miss the whole chat? 😦 Nik here, Editor for http://twurl.nl/4hus7r

[22:00:08] wordful: @BeckyDMBR well somebody is making money there… #editorchat

[22:00:09] mhertz: I’m Marc – freelance writer/editor/copy editor in SF Bay Area. Find me on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/b3/555 #editorchat

[22:00:10] milehighfool: @rosefox Thanks for joining, Rose. Engaging points. #editorchat

[22:00:12] ErikSherman: ‘Night, all. #editorchat

[22:00:15] IrisJumbe: RT @littlebrownpen: Good writing = good thinking. Training not always relevant. #editorchat [me: Agreed. but it can be useful too :)]

[22:00:16] littlebrownpen: Nichole Robertson, freelance writer. I also blog about my excursions to Paris here: http://littlebrownpen.blogspot.com/ #editorchat

[22:00:24] Mike_Evans_: How do I get the schedule for future editor chats #editorchat

[22:00:40] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for another great chat! Becky in Iowa … #editorchat

[22:00:40] mhertz: Thanks for the chat, everyone. Interesting discussions as always. #editorchat

[22:00:44] BaileyMcC: Bailey… writer/consultant/editor, etc. Managing Editor at http://www.civsourceonline.com #editorchat

[22:00:45] LydiaBreakfast: @mhertz Thanks for coming #editorchat

[22:00:45] JDEbberly: Thank you very much @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast for yet another SUPERB Editorchat! Look foward 2 next week! #editorchat

[22:00:53] timecommander: Hey. I’m Dan Miranda, the thirteen year old writer, blogger and editor. I hope you check out commandyourtime.com today! #editorchat

[22:00:55] joecortez: Thanks for the chat! I’m Joe Cortez: freelance journalist, writer, video producer/reporter. Follow me here; website coming soon. #editorchat

[22:01:06] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Night, thanks for coming #editorchat

[22:01:18] pam_baumeister: I might add that @littlebrownpen is funny and witty…I’ve read her stuff. #editorchat

[22:01:18] JDEbberly: @Mike_Evans_ Editorchat convenes on Wed nights from 830pm to 10pm EST #editorchat

[22:01:21] milehighfool: @Mike_Evans_ Please see editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[22:01:21] jlcommunication: Intro: Former journ and journ teacher. Now freelance copywrite, p.r., journ – and yes I blog. http://www.jalcommunication.com #editorchat

[22:01:24] sooutdoors: #editorchat Good night all, great topics as always drop in a visit me at http://www.sooutdoors.ca

[22:01:24] jennipps: @Mike_Evans_ Topics & transcripts are posted at https://editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[22:01:30] LydiaBreakfast: @Mike_Evans_ editorchat.wordpress.com has all the info and transcripts #editorchat

[22:01:32] goodiesformom: Lois Whittaker, newsletter editor/marketing by day – blogger by night http://www.goodiesformom.com #editorchat

[22:01:34] wordful: @timecommander you’ve got such a cool and intriguing Twitter name #editorchat

[22:01:35] a2editor: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Thanks for your work putting together the chat, topics, etc. Always nice to see you. #editorchat

[22:01:37] bob_bobala: Thanks, Tweeps. Bob Bobala, writer/editor at TurboTax, formerly at Motley Fool. Also publish at http://exitstrategypress.com/ #editorchat

[22:01:39] LydiaBreakfast: @joecortez Thanks Joe #editorchat

[22:01:40] MudslideMama: @Mike_Evans_ It’s always this time, this place (the lurker speaks!) #editorchat

[22:01:47] paradisekitten: Really enjoyed the comments and chat tonight! Thanks all! http://coffeeomancy.blogspot.com/ #editorchat

[22:01:47] marciamarcia: @pam_baumeister Agree “spontaneous writers” (new fave moniker) benefit from mentoring, training & editing. So do pros. #editorchat

[22:01:49] BeckyDMBR: @wordful Yes. The owner/publisher. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:01:49] pam_baumeister: I guess funny and witty could arguably mean the same thing…nicely done, Editor girl. #editorchat

[22:02:07] Hergett: Rachel Hergett, Bozeman, MT, editor by hiring, writer by choice, http://www.dailychronicle.com. Good night all. Back to work. #editorchat

[22:02:12] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Thanks for joining us πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:02:19] jennipps: Thanks to @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for their wonderful hosting. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:02:44] SuburbNews: Thanks for interesting #editorchat – best to everyone

[22:02:48] milehighfool: @a2editor Thanks, Laura. Glad you could make it. Thanks to everyone for participating. #editorchat

[22:02:54] timecommander: @wordful Thanks! I actually planned using it a long time and never got around to it. It was strictly a marketing decision. #editorchat

[22:02:56] anndouglas: Ann Douglas, author, blogger, columnist etc http://anndouglas.typepad.com/blogs/ Thx @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool #editorchat

[22:02:57] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps thanks for coming #editorchat

[22:03:10] rosefox: RT @jennipps Thanks to @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for their wonderful hosting. πŸ™‚ #editorchat #editorchat

[22:03:11] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Night πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:03:12] pam_baumeister: @marciamarcia like the moniker. And, I’m following you. #editorchat

[22:03:13] joecortez: jennipps: RT @jennipps Thanks to @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for their wonderful hosting. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:03:13] jesshatchigan: Thank you and good night from Jess in Ann Arbor, MI – http://www.hatchigan.com Great chat tonight. #editorchat

[22:03:14] hotspringer: Rebecca McCormick, freelance travel journalist and feature writer. http://tinyurl.com/RebMcC #editorchat

[22:03:14] jennipps: I’ve got to work on my next TutorialBlog article, so I will see everyone next week and on Twitter in the meantime. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:03:25] LydiaBreakfast: @anndouglas Thanks for coming Ann #editorchat

[22:03:28] IrisJumbe: I’m a writer/editor currently burrowing away in Shanghai. My blog: http://www.artonym.com. Thx 4 the chat & tips, everyone #editorchat

[22:03:40] LydiaBreakfast: @jesshatchigan Night Jess #editorchat

[22:03:41] pam_baumeister: Q: When is working with a “diva” writer worth it and when do you cut them loose? #editorchat

[22:03:42] jlcommunication: @timecommander Power of the internet is that Dan has ability to find audience and publish in ways I couldn’t fathom at his age. #editorchat

[22:03:43] frankspencer: RT @marciamarcia: If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[22:04:00] LydiaBreakfast: @IrisJumbe Thanks Shanghai Iris πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:04:06] jesshatchigan: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast, thank you for hosting #editorchat

[22:04:31] bob_bobala: @pam_baumeister When do you cut the diva loose? 10 minutes ago, Pam. #editorchat

[22:04:41] LydiaBreakfast: All, please feel free to post comments and further questions on editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[22:04:49] milehighfool: @jesshatchigan @anndouglas ‘Night Jess, Ann. #editorchat

[22:04:54] a2editor: @jesshatchigan I’m also in Ann Arbor. Small world. πŸ™‚ Nice chatting with you. #editorchat

[22:05:43] jacksonp2008: What is #editorchat

[22:05:45] milehighfool: @joecortez Thanks, Joe. We appreciate it. #editorchat

[22:05:46] timecommander: @jlcommunication I hope you find yourself enjoying some posts on there. Feel free to leave a comment or two. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:06:25] pam_baumeister: @bob_bobala I’m such a sap, Bob. I hate to hurt people…especially strong female writers. You’re giving me courage. #editorchat

[22:06:41] Hergett: RT @bob_bobala @pam_baumeister When do you cut the diva loose? 10 minutes ago, Pam. #editorchat

[22:06:47] IrisJumbe: @LydiaBreakfast Thank you, Lydia πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:06:58] jennipps: @JEFletcher I most definitely agree, on all counts but especially the last. πŸ™‚ Join us for #editorchat next week?

[22:07:00] LydiaBreakfast: Good night all and thanks so much for a wonderful chat, Lydia Dishman freelance biz journalist, lbdcommunications.blogspot.com #editorchat

[22:07:09] marciamarcia: Marcia Conner: Writer, editor, social media & learning strategist. http://www.marciaconner.com. Love learning from #editorchat

[22:07:27] pam_baumeister: @timecommander You look like you’re twelve. no offense. #editorchat

[22:07:32] jlcommunication: @timecommander Send your link again. I’m a former journ teacher and very excited to see young writers doing what you are. #editorchat

[22:07:36] KatPowers: Happy to stumble on #editorchat. In the real world, I’ve run out of teachers who can tolerate me. Not here

[22:08:16] milehighfool: ‘Night all. Great chat, as always. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, Quicken.com blogger, timbeyers dot com #editorchat

[22:08:32] timecommander: @pam_baumeister HA! I blame it on the short hair-cut. Even so, doesn’t it make it that much more impressive? πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:09:03] timecommander: @jlcommunication commandyourtime.com I’m happy to hear. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:09:25] SpecialDee: @LydiaBreakfast Thank you for the #editorchat tonight.

[22:10:10] tracymueller: Oooh, just noticed the #editorchat hashtag for the first time. Might have to check that out next week.

[22:10:15] konadad: @pam_baumeister Working with a diva writer is worth it only if the final product benefits the reader. #editorchat

[22:10:34] pam_baumeister: @timecommander Yeah. I am truly impressed if you are indeed twelve. #editorchat

[22:10:51] anndouglas: @BeckyDMBR I always assumed those bloggers were paid. #editorchat

[22:10:56] shirleybrady: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Hi Lydia & Tim – Looks like an interesting #editorchat tonight (caught tail-end of Q5) – sorry I missed!

[22:11:20] timecommander: @pam_baumeister As opposed to me actually being thirteen? #editorchat

[22:11:58] pam_baumeister: @konadad I guess so. But, if I have to make adjustments to when a story comes out, it never sits well w/ the diva. Painful 4 me. #editorchat

[22:12:06] continuum_q5: RT @timecommander: @pam_baumeister As opposed to me actually being thirteen? #editorchat it’s not about age it’s maturity;-)

[22:12:36] UTBubble: RT @pam_baumeister: Q: When is working w/ a “diva” writer worth it & when do u cut them loose? #editorchat NEVER & SOON-I’ve been th

[22:12:41] pam_baumeister: @timecommander Well…that’s impressive, too. I’m curious about what brings you to #editorchat #editorchat

[22:12:49] shortformernie: I fell off the wagon, but It was a good chat tonight guys. #editorchat

[22:12:56] ErikSherman: RT @anndouglas … heard today – some mega-bookstores want online video content for certain types book to stock title. #editorchat

[22:13:22] shortformernie: Ernie @shortformblog (http://shortformblog.com/), see you all next week! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:13:51] konadad: @pam_baumeister Yes, but the diva works for you — not the other way around. Tough, I know. #editorchat

[22:14:09] leanneclc: Another great #editorchat tonight. Really smart people, really good questions. Thank you all.

[22:14:19] timecommander: @pam_baumeister Wordful.com brought me here in literal sense…but seriously I edit for my middle school newspaper. #editorchat

[22:15:07] continuum_q5: @timecommander got to start somewhere #editorchat

[22:15:27] pam_baumeister: @konadad Good point. Thanks for the pep talk. I CAN do this! #editorchat

[22:16:05] pam_baumeister: @timecommander Smart kid. Good for you to be part of this community of writers/editors. #editorchat

[22:16:23] jlcommunication: @timecommander @pam_baumeister Dan’s perfect example of democratization of writing. The talent will rise to the top. #editorchat

[22:16:24] timecommander: @shortformernie Let me just say that I took one look at your blog… and it’s absolute gold. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:17:26] JDEbberly: @timecommander I’m following you and I will Tweet one of your blog articles tonight! GOOD JOB!! #editorchat

[22:17:59] timecommander: @pam_baumeister Thanks. I plan on writing/editing taking me far in life, why not start early. #editorchat

[22:19:03] timecommander: @JDEbberly Thanks! Hope you like the site. #editorchat

[22:21:04] JDEbberly: @timecommander Your blog is really interesting, I’m subscribing to it now in Google Reader and look forward to more! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:21:43] pam_baumeister: @jlcommunication True. Talent does rise to the top in this industry. That rise takes time, work and lots of patience, though. #editorchat

[22:21:52] a2editor: Srsly? There’s a carchat too? How can I choose between my beloved #editorchat and #carchat? Like a choice betwn peppermint and M&M cupcakes.

[22:22:02] hotspringer: @JenniferPerillo Thanks for the RT. Good to see you at #editorchat.

[22:22:39] pam_baumeister: @timecommander I’ll watch for your feature in Time Mag. ;o) Go for it! #editorchat

[22:23:09] joecortez: @pam_baumeister + @jlcommunication Agreed — talent is the result of hard work and dedication. How bad do you want it? #editorchat

[22:23:46] hotspringer: @JDEbberly Appreciated your input to #editorchat tonight. Thanks for the RT.

[22:24:28] michaelbanovsky: RT @a2editor: Srsly? There’s a carchat too? How can I choose between #editorchat n #carchat? Like a choice betwn peppermint and M&M cupcakes

[22:25:10] timecommander: @joecortez I’ll assume that question is directed toward me. How bad do I want it? I won’t stop writing. #editorchat

[22:25:23] Hergett: I meet the best tweeps at #editorchat

[22:25:53] shirleybrady: @timecommander You’re in middle school? And on #editorchat? Welcome (though likely have shoes older than you!) Will check out your blog

[22:26:32] joecortez: @timecommander It was a rhetorical question, but good answer — that drive will take you far – just hold on for dear life! #editorchat

[22:26:40] KBordessa: @leanneclc Good kernels everywhere, yes – but my patience is limited! πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[22:27:24] SuburbNews: @a2editor You are too funny about the carchat! Glad to meet you. #editorchat

[22:27:49] timecommander: @shirleybrady We have quite the funny one in you shirley. πŸ™‚ Hope you enjoy. #editorchat

[22:28:25] a2editor: @SuburbNews Nice to meet you too. See you next week? #editorchat

[22:28:53] wendyperrin: Did I miss #editorchat yet again?! 😦

[22:29:32] The_Economy: oooh i stumbled upon #editorchat. wonder if they can give me directions to #economychat. we must be in similar neighborhoods. #economy

[22:29:36] timecommander: @wendyperrin Oh, Wendy, you missed out. The discussion that goes on in these parts are extraordinary. #editorchat

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April 20, 2009 at 11:47 am

NEWS: Julia Angwin, Senior Technology Editor, WSJ.com to Guest Host

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We are thrilled to announce Julia Angwin, Senior Technology Editor, WSJ.com, The Wall Street Journal, will be our second guest host for #editorchat this Wednesday, April 22, from 8:30-10pm pm EST. More details to come but, in the meantime, see below for Julia’s bio and mark your calendars.

Julia Angwin is a Pulitzer Prize-winning technology editor and columnist at The Wall Street Journal. She is also the author of “Stealing MySpace: The Battle to Control the Most Popular Website in America” (Random House, March 2009).

She started her journalism career as an intern at The Washington Post, followed by stints at two small wire-services in Washington D.C. She joined the San Francisco Chronicle in 1996, where she was awarded “Outstanding Young Journalist of the Year” by the Northern California chapter of the Society of Professional Journalists and was awarded a Knight-Bagehot fellowship in journalism for studies at Columbia Business School.

In 2000, she joined the Wall Street Journal and began covering technology and the dot-com boom from an East Coast perspective. In 2003, she was on a team of reporters at The Wall Street Journal that was awarded the Pulitzer Prize in Explanatory Reporting for coverage of corporate corruption.

Written by LydiaBreakfast

April 17, 2009 at 2:26 pm

What We’re Talking About on #editorchat on 4/15

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Meet us at our NEW TIME *8:30-10pm EST* when we’ll talk about the following:

Last week, we kicked off a series about innovation in publishing and what it means for writers and editors. We continue this week by looking at the Dark Side. Community publishing sites such as Helium often pay writers the least and eschew editors. Maybe we’re too old, but we can’t imagine writing successfully without an editor close by.

We also wonder if well-publicized efforts to reinvent the very idea of what makes a book is good for the book publishing industry. Innovation is often good. Innovation may help save the publishing industry from itself. But is all innovation good, or even necessary?

Not long ago we posted an excerpt of a speech given by New York Times Magazine editor Gerald Marzorati at the 2009 CASE Editors’ Forum in which he expressed concerns that the business models — or lack thereof — for newer mediums (i.e., Web and mobile Internet) are threatening to kill long-form journalism. Days later, Gawker published the resignation letter of The Wall Street Journal’s Joshua Prager, in which he expressed similar concerns. Thus, we ask:

Writers: How has technology or business innovation disrupted your process? Do you write more? Less? With the same verve?

Editors: Has the Web and mobile Internet changed what you ask of your writers? Are you placing limits on them, as Prager suggests? If not, is creativity paying off in a business sense?

Community engagement may be the key to news and, perhaps, to publishing in general (i.e., look at how the Harry Potter series opened doors for community building) but where is the line drawn between writer, editor and community? is it really good for writers if community members are writing their own content?

We always hear of how innovation is driving down revenue and, therefore, pay in publishing. Is that always true, or there are success stories that we are ignoring?

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April 8, 2009 at 12:10 pm

Transcript of #editorchat 4/1

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[20:01:22] milehighfool: Welcome, editorchatters. Rules coming. Please introduce yourself as you join. #editorchat

[20:01:23] LydiaBreakfast: No. 2. Stay on topic #editorchat

[20:01:53] sooutdoors: #editorchat good evening all, Lloyd here from Southern Ontario Outdoors – freelance writer & author.

[20:02:10] wordful: Aloha, Charles of Wordful here…my second time here…. I love this time of week #editorchat

[20:02:17] LydiaBreakfast: No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT – We are trying to dialogue, no hecklers. Thx #editorchat

[20:02:40] milehighfool: @sooutdoors Evening Llloyd. Glad you could make it again. #editorchat

[20:02:42] TMFZahrim: Hello, Anders Bylund of Fool.com and arstechnica.com here. 100% writer and tech geek. #editorchat

[20:02:51] jenwillis: #editorchat Hello from Portland! I’m a freelance writer specializing in sustainability and spirituality.

[20:02:55] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast The “no hecklers” is a good addition. #editorchat

[20:03:08] LydiaBreakfast: Welcome everyone πŸ™‚ Hope you all had a chance to peek at the questions. #editorchat

[20:03:32] LydiaBreakfast: @wordful Hi Charles, thanks for coming #editorchat

[20:03:33] stephauteri: Hey there. This is Steph, a writer specializing in relationships, sex, and all that good stuff. Blogger over at Nerve.com. #editorchat

[20:03:39] wordful: BTW https://editorchat.wordpress.com/ freezes my Chrome browser #editorchat

[20:03:45] LydiaBreakfast: @jenwillis Glad you could join us #editorchat

[20:03:55] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Hey! Becky from Iow-ay’s here! #editorchat

[20:04:01] LydiaBreakfast: @stephauteri Ms Auteri, welcome πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:04:13] milehighfool: Good to see everyone. Hi Jen, Anders, Steph, Charles. #editorchat

[20:04:20] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR She made it! #editorchat

[20:04:33] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR Welcome back, Becky. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:04:41] anndouglas: Going to participate in #editorchat May be a bit chatty.

[20:04:49] JMegonigal: Jordana, editor in Upstate S.C. here #editorchat

[20:04:58] jennipps: Howdy from south Oklahoma. Jen, freelance writer, contributor for TutorialBlog.org and WritingForDollars.com. #editorchat

[20:05:45] milehighfool: @anndouglas @JMegonigal: Hi Ann, Jordana. #editorchat

[20:05:58] edwardboches: marketer, creativ director and journalism, magazine, newspaper fan joining, hope OK, tried to contribute ideas last week #editorchat

[20:05:59] anti9to5guide: Hi everyone. Michelle Goodman, Seattle freelance writer/author focused on career articles at the moment. #editorchat

[20:06:06] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Hi Jen #editorchat

[20:06:08] kitchenMage: Going to follow @jenwillis over to #editorchat

[20:06:22] RayBeckerman: RT @TMFZahrim: Hello, Anders Bylund of Fool.com and arstechnica.com here. 100% writer and tech geek. #editorchat

[20:06:35] tweditor: Hi everyone. I’m Charmaine Cooper Hussain, a high-tech freelance editor dabbling in business/Web content a bit. #editorchat

[20:06:56] anndouglas: Hi everyone. Great to be back again. #editorchat

[20:07:05] LydiaBreakfast: I’ll give everyone a few more minutes to meet and greet before we begin. #editorchat

[20:07:13] mariaelenaduron: Maria Elena, editor-Personal Branding Blog; asst. editor -YOUnique; columnist-The National NetWorker + PersonalBranding Mag+more #editorchat

[20:07:20] gmarkham: mark hamilton, journalism instructor in Vancouver. will be dropping in and out #editorchat

[20:07:55] milehighfool: @gmarkham Welcome back, Mark. #editorchat

[20:08:15] anndouglas: I’m Ann Douglas. Blogger @torontostar + @yahoo Canada ; mag columnist @conceive ; freelance writer; author. #editorchat

[20:08:21] gmarkham: @milehighfool thanks, and hello to all #editorchat

[20:08:23] LydiaBreakfast: Hello Ann, Maria, and Mark. Welcome! #editorchat

[20:08:24] JDEbberly: Sorry I am late to Editorchat folks…. #editorchat

[20:08:37] TMFZahrim: O noes, fail whale! #editorchat

[20:08:45] milehighfool: If you haven’t yet, please take a look at the topic at editorchat.wordpress.com. #editorchat

[20:08:51] kitchenMage: Hi from one of the tiniest towns in WA state. I’m Beth Sheresh, writer, photog, cookbook author. I write about food. (ex-tech). #editorchat

[20:09:08] wordful: For all on Twitter, I learned last time that it’s more efficient to use TweetChat (tweetchat.com) for this #editorchat

[20:09:18] JDEbberly: I apologize to my followers as I Tweet more than usual as I enter Editorchat, for the next 85 minutes #editorchat

[20:09:23] milehighfool: Innovation is tonight’s theme. We’ll get to questions after everyone has a chance to introduce themselves. #editorchat

[20:09:35] LydiaBreakfast: So, the intro to this week is the Pew study that found writers of online content are more optimistic than their print peers. #editorchat

[20:09:52] JDEbberly: Hello! I’m JD Ebberly from N VA. I write pieces on blogging & new media #editorchat

[20:10:11] wordful: @LydiaBreakfast that seems reasonable to believe #editorchat

[20:10:17] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast Amen to that! #editorchat #editorchat

[20:10:36] dawnologue: @kitchenMage What is #editorchat???

[20:10:37] jennipps: Good to see everyone tonight! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:11:00] milehighfool: @wordful You know, you’d think so, but we’re wondering why. The implications are large. #editorchat

[20:11:02] NitaBe: nitabe, freelancewriter from South East Oklahoma #editorchat

[20:11:10] jennipps: @dawnologue Check out https://editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[20:11:14] MikeLizun: Mike Lizun, Media Relations, Philly, former journ. Here to learn. #editorchat

[20:11:22] edwardboches: there is so much doom and gloom coverage and prediction about print journalism, not a surprise that online more positive #editorchat

[20:11:30] anndouglas: Love the topic! I have different experiences in different blogging environments. Will have lots to contribute. #editorchat

[20:11:35] milehighfool: @NitaBe Welcome, glad you could join us. #editorchat

[20:11:37] LydiaBreakfast: What are the necessary innovations writers and editors must make to produce profitable business models. #editorchat

[20:11:38] JDEbberly: RT @jennipps: @dawnologue Check out https://editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[20:11:45] kitchenMage: @dawnologue read this: https://editorchat.wordpress.com/ Then post and read the editorchat tag for discussion. #editorchat

[20:11:54] stephauteri: p.s. to my followers. I’m participating in #editorchat tonight, so feel free to either ignore me or join! #editorchat

[20:12:58] jenwillis: I just hope the optimism for online is well-deserved. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:13:08] jennipps: @NitaBe Yay! You made it! πŸ™‚ (I was reading elsewhere & missed you come in.) #editorchat

[20:13:19] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: What are the necessary innovations writers and editors must make to produce profitable business models. #editorchat

[20:13:24] JMegonigal: @milehighfool Could it be stress of no revenue generation? Or barrage of people constantly telling you that ur in a dying prof? #editorchat

[20:13:30] edwardboches: new outlets for content. go where audience is. create more multiplatform experiences. involve reader even more. #editorchat

[20:13:38] anndouglas: I found myself constrained by a model that didn’t work as a blogger at yahoocanada. (Rules have become less rigid.) #editorchat

[20:13:44] TMFZahrim: RT Q1: What are the necessary innovations writers and editors must make to produce profitable business models. #editorchat

[20:14:12] tweditor: If thereÒ€ℒs a journalist out there who knows how to be profitable online, theyÒ€ℒre being really discreet about it. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:14:16] JDEbberly: RT @maantren: RT @milehighfool: Are we all members of the media now? An #editorchat commentary: http://bit.ly/18McaH (Thanks again to @J …

[20:14:17] milehighfool: @JMegonigal It absolutely could. I’m sure newspaper reporters are tired of hearing it. I would be, too. #editorchat

[20:14:27] jennipps: Q1 – I think I was doing that & didn’t realize it when applying to more online markets than print, like TutorialBlog #editorchat

[20:14:32] wordful: be more personal and real, hustle and apply editorial standards — I’m referring to blogging #editorchat

[20:14:51] mobienthusiast: #editorchat is live, talk to editors and journalists, topics here: https://editorchat.wordpress.com/

[20:14:55] jimmcbee: a little tweeting, mostly cooking: Jim McBee, http://smartnewsnc.com just went live today. #editorchat

[20:16:02] milehighfool: @tweditor I’m not so sure. Salon is public and The Motley Fool is doing okay, from where I sit. #editorchat

[20:16:14] anndouglas: At first: only links to non-profits. A few grudging links to $ sites. No links to competitive sites, even if they had big scoop. #editorchat

[20:16:28] milehighfool: @anndouglas So what did you do to bust out of the constraints? #editorchat

[20:16:28] anti9to5guide: Have polls if it’s an article for a traditional news outlet (in addition to comments). They write about reader responses. #editorchat

[20:16:29] stephauteri: Q1: When it comes to profitability, maybe we need to look beyond written content for the $, & find new ways to involve readers. #editorchat

[20:16:40] TMFZahrim: All ads hardly flies unless you’re Google. Need to sell premium subscriptions or products too. #editorchat

[20:16:58] mobienthusiast: @milehighfool is hosting #editorchat tonight, thanks Tim.

[20:17:00] PDXsays: RT: LydiaBreakfastSo, intro to this week is Pew study showing online content writers are more optimistic than their print peers. #editorchat

[20:17:08] anti9to5guide: Yipes, I mean THEN write about reader responses. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:17:12] wordful: @TMFZahrim I agree with that #editorchat

[20:17:13] jennipps: RT @TMFZahrim All ads hardly flies unless you’re Google. Need to sell premium subscriptions or products too. #editorchat

[20:17:37] TMFZahrim: Corollary: content must be top notch or those subs and stuff won’t sell #editorchat

[20:17:42] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide I think that’s important, and speaks to what Bryne said last week. Keep readers in a conversation. #editorchat

[20:17:45] mariaelenaduron: Q1: Be where the people R + create a “home” for them. Variety of platforms – different audiences #editorchat

[20:17:50] AngEngland: #editorchat I’m on a very slow connection so can’t chat right now, but I just wanted to say HELLO. πŸ™‚ Freelance writer/editor here.

[20:17:50] edwardboches: need to become content generators for health care, social media platforms, and others who might pay for good, objective content #editorchat

[20:17:55] mhertz: Sorry to be late to the chat. I’m a freelance writer and editor in the San Francisco Bay Area. #editorchat

[20:19:04] wordful: we need to balance content-based revenue streams with ads, affiliate sales, subscriptions, products #editorchat

[20:19:27] PDXsays: #editorchat Topic:Should writers be content SEO experts, crafting stories searchable to gain readership? https://editorchat.wordpress.com

[20:19:30] anndouglas: Blogger placed in awk position @ this site. Blogger comp favors self-referential links. May not make for best story. #editorchat

[20:19:29] jennipps: @edwardboches Re: content generator for health care…That’s definitely an area I’m looking into that could use day job know-how #editorchat

[20:19:31] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Yeah, I agree. At one MSM outlet I write for it’s against “legal’s” rules for me to comment back. Interesting. #editorchat

[20:19:30] TMFZahrim: Paradoxically, fishing for readers sometimes means selling out on message. Fine line to walk. #editorchat

[20:19:37] mobienthusiast: Comments at the end of articles are great for discussion, would be nice if someone weeded out inflammatory comments #editorchat

[20:20:07] anndouglas: @milehighfool Pushed the envelope. Kind of linked where I wanted to and hoped no one noticed. #editorchat

[20:20:11] jennipps: @anti9to5guide That doesn’t make sense. You’d think they’d want that interaction. #editorchat

[20:20:23] milehighfool: RT @TMFZahrim: Paradoxically, fishing for readers sometimes means selling out on message. Fine line. #editorchat

[20:20:32] edwardboches: “long format journalism matters,” marzotti but cost at least $40,000 to generate. how to quality of reader won’t pay #editorchat

[20:20:36] jennipps: @mobienthusiast And spammy comments too instead of blanket approvals. #editorchat

[20:20:38] anndouglas: @milehighfool Most of the time they haven’t edited them out….. #editorchat

[20:20:39] stephauteri: @anti9to5guide: The aren’t they missing the point of having an interactive medium? #editorchat

[20:22:16] LydiaBreakfast: @stephauteri I think lots of publishers are still not on board with the interactive part of the medium. #editorchat

[20:22:20] mobienthusiast: @jennipps & @anti9to5guide sounds like they want to avoid lawsuit fodder & don’t want to involve their lawyers in comments. #editorchat

[20:22:22] milehighfool: @stephauteri I wonder if many publishers are missing out on interactivity? How interactive is this group with readers? #editorchat

[20:22:25] anndouglas: The situation really took my enjoyment out of blogging as compared to @torontostar (which = best practices for linking etc) #editorchat

[20:22:27] milehighfool: @anndouglas Did they notice? Did they mind? #editorchat

[20:22:59] jennipps: @mobienthusiast Good point and one I hadn’t thought of. #editorchat

[20:23:04] anndouglas: @torontostar understands I need to create community. Even had a community member take my questions (in post) to her blog. #editorchat

[20:23:59] milehighfool: See, this is interest. Online writers are more optimistic but community building efforts are nascent or nonexistent. #editorchat

[20:23:59] jenwillis: Other than ads or premium subscription service, how do online publishers plan to make money (and the pay their contributors)? #editorchat

[20:24:00] wordful: @milehighfool you have to be interactive with your readers — that’s the whole idea of web 2.0 publishing. I know I am… #editorchat

[20:24:04] stephauteri: @milehighfool: I try to hop in on any discussion taking place on one of my pieces. Otherwise, I’m no longer a part of the convo! #editorchat

[20:24:07] anti9to5guide: Yes, it’s a directive from their legal dept. And in all honesty, the comments are seriously nasty much of the time. #editorchat

[20:24:15] LydiaBreakfast: @anndouglas That is best case scenario, what is it going to take to get other publishers to encourage that from their staff? #editorchat

[20:24:26] stephauteri: @milehighfool: And when you start the convo, shouldn’t you remain a part of it? #editorchat

[20:24:50] anndouglas: @milehighfool No one has ever raised issue. Have to assume they are ok with it or policy is more lib. #editorchat

[20:24:56] JMegonigal: @milehighfool Sadly, I wonder if many publishers consider themselves “above” their readers… does anyone else see this? #editorchat

[20:24:58] anti9to5guide: What I can do is link back to conversation/topic raised in a future column. So it’s not entirely dropped. #editorchat

[20:25:10] jennipps: @jenwillis Maybe that could be where the product sales someone mentioned earlier could come in, at least in part. #editorchat

[20:25:17] LydiaBreakfast: @anti9to5guide Then aren’t we supressing “free speech?” (another sticky wicket) #editorchat

[20:25:17] milehighfool: @stephauteri Right. You also lose credibility with reader if you ask a question, they respond, and you fail to engage further #editorchat

[20:25:26] mobienthusiast: I follow at least 5 #sandiego Union-Tribune employees; after last #editorchat @rickywhy and others made rss feeds, very responsive group

[20:25:38] edwardboches: Marzotti key note http://bit.ly/QflSx is brilliant. most popular online content is long format journalism, how to monetize #editorchat

[20:25:40] milehighfool: RT @JMegonigal Sadly, I wonder if many publishers consider themselves “above” their readers… does anyone else see this? #editorchat

[20:25:48] jimmcbee: I think it’s going to take several more ‘funerals’ before publishers see the light. #editorchat

[20:25:53] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast I think they are going to have to see competitors thriving. Then they will pay attention. #editorchat

[20:27:03] PDXsays: Hi freelance journalist and freelance editor here in PDX #editorchat

[20:27:05] stephauteri: @anti9to5guide: It can be tough distinguishing who is just trying to stir the pot. Sometimes responding only fuels the flames. #editorchat

[20:27:06] mhertz: I think community building takes a lot of work. It’s a long-term investment, one which may be hard to do in this economy. #editorchat

[20:27:08] jennipps: @anti9to5guide Ah. In that case, I understand it some. I can see how they’d think what the writer says could inflame commenters. #editorchat

[20:27:11] edwardboches: john talked about engaging much last week, can you use engaging also to convince reader of value of professional journalism? #editorchat

[20:27:37] edwardboches: worked with MPA and publishers for years, never felt that publishers thought they were above. more likely editors felt superior #editorchat

[20:27:43] milehighfool: @jimmcbee You’ve been an editor, Jim. How do publishers view the reader? #editorchat

[20:27:52] newswise: Interactivity in your content is crucial to web 2.0, even though I hate that term. #editorchat

[20:28:06] WriterWay: Anyone have the link to that Pew study of online v. print writers? #editorchat

[20:28:13] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal For that answer you have to look at who is building a thriving community. Engaged readers, good stories, etc. #editorchat

[20:28:21] kitchenMage: I saw a figure recently that 60% of ‘mom-blogger’ posts include product mention. Revenue stream=amazon, etc. #editorchat

[20:28:32] milehighfool: @mhertz I’m not sure. Twitter is free — instant community if you engage conversationally, no? #editorchat

[20:28:39] anti9to5guide: @stephauteri @jennipps Yeah. But I also think @milehighfool raises good point re not dropping the ball with readers. #editorchat

[20:28:43] tweditor: @edwardboches I think it might be too late to convince readers. Don’t underestimate cut and paste as the great content thief. #editorchat

[20:28:50] BaileyMcC: community building is key – look @ recent Forrester research that says PR to rep communities rather than brands now – trend #editorchat

[20:28:54] jimmcbee: at my last 2 pubs, I was blessed with bosses who got it. Before that? fuggedaboudit. #editorchat

[20:29:10] edwardboches: @kitchenMage some (many?) mom blogger paid by brands, less objective than true journalism #editorchat

[20:29:12] milehighfool: @WriterWay We’ll get it embedded at the blog after this chat. editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[20:29:24] jennipps: @anti9to5guide Definitely. Though I can understand it, I don’t agree with it. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:29:44] newswise: @kitchenMage do you read dooce? Heather insists she only mentions stuff she actually uses. #editorchat

[20:29:51] stephauteri: @anti9to5guide: This is true. It seems foolish to not engage with ANY readers. This is a matter of comment regulation. #editorchat

[20:30:11] PDXsays: @BaileyMcC caution will robinson: these roles in PR and community still morphing, and that is over the last 6 manths #editorchat #editorchat

[20:30:11] anti9to5guide: Curious, what do you do when a reader attacks you on their blog? Respond? Let it go? For some journos, such attacks are the norm #editorchat

[20:30:14] milehighfool: So back to the topic if innovation. if you had to build a community right now, where do you start? #editorchat

[20:30:30] jimmcbee: most publishers’ job is to make sure corporate gets its cut, not to hobnob with the hoi polloi #editorchat

[20:30:33] PDXsays: test #editorchat #editorchat

[20:30:32] jenwillis: @kitchenMage Backfires if those blogs want to write a negative review about a product. Plus, you have to wonder about bias. #editorchat

[20:30:40] TJCNYC: I re-subscribed to “The Atlantic” because I want long-form journalism to thrive. Would have paid double, given the oppty. #editorchat

[20:30:52] LydiaBreakfast: @newswise I read dooce and find it hard to believe she can actually use everything she says – not enough hours between TiVo πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:30:57] anti9to5guide: @stephauteri Yeah, like on the nwjobs.com blog for the Seattle Times, I respond when the have a question of me. Or a gripe. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:31:10] jimmcbee: @anti9to5guide let it go. nothing kills trolls like ignoring them #editorchat

[20:31:13] Cotey: All this talk about building communities with readers. Any good examples of that at all at paper blogs? #editorchat.

[20:31:18] milehighfool: Social media is an obvious idea. So are comments. What other ideas have you tried? #editorchat

[20:31:24] mhertz: @milehighfool Guess I meant people may be worried about using their time doing something that doesn’t bring money immediately #editorchat

[20:31:33] jenwillis: @anti9to5guide What’s the old adage? If they’re shooting at you, you must be doing something right? #editorchat

[20:31:34] anndouglas: @anti9to5guide That’s incredible. It must feel odd not answering when someone asks a question. #editorchat

[20:31:40] edwardboches: engaging with readers isn’t even a question. it’s the same for all brands. readers insist on expressing and socializing, #editorchat

[20:31:40] JDEbberly: @milehighfool If I had to build a community right now, I’d start with a blog and Twitter. #editorchat

[20:31:42] stephauteri: @anti9to5guide: Often, such commenters don’t respond to logical response. I try to let it go, while still engaging others. #editorchat

[20:32:05] JDEbberly: RT @jimmcbee: @anti9to5guide let it go. nothing kills trolls like ignoring them #editorchat

[20:32:12] newswise: @anti9to5guide tough question – to respond seems to validate the attack, to ignore seems cowardly #editorchat

[20:32:19] BaileyMcC: @anti9to5guide if its a legit beef-engage u can gain value fr that too. I let it go if its not outright flaming #editorchat

[20:32:32] edwardboches: @JDEbberly but how would you generate revenue? #editorchat

[20:32:33] jennipps: @anti9to5guide I’ve actually had that happen once. I let it go. Not worth the time/energy to try to correct their impression. #editorchat

[20:32:43] kitchenMage: @newswise I am not sure if I believe her. Xmas season saw lots of ’15 ____ I love” complete with (catalog?) photos. #editorchat

[20:32:56] anti9to5guide: @anndouglas On the site where I’m not supposed to respond to comments online, I can email them privately if I like. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:33:05] bob_bobala: @jenwillis Re: blogs backfiring. I think that’s just the price of doing business. You have to embrace the good with the bad. #editorchat

[20:33:12] LydiaBreakfast: Part of growing online community is learning how to engage everyone and not take bait. Just like in real life. #editorchat

[20:33:43] stephauteri: @milehighfool: Re: community-building, I attempt to use Twitter or msg boards, but it’s tough to get readers to engage sometimes #editorchat

[20:33:43] anti9to5guide: @jennipps and others. I agree with letting it go. Nice to hear that others do that. #editorchat

[20:33:45] JDEbberly: @edwardboches I can use ads on the blog & forums and sell products once I have the traffic. #editorchat

[20:33:57] edwardboches: if no one will pay for content other than media companies and corporations, journalists risk losing their $$ value #editorchat

[20:34:01] jennipps: @milehighfool Good question. Would interaction in other forums/communities count as possibly building your own? #editorchat

[20:34:13] BaileyMcC: RT@edwardboches: engaging w/readers isn’t a question.it’s the same for all brands.readers insist on expressing and socializing, #editorchat

[20:34:23] anndouglas: @jennipps For a while, namecalling/insults + swearing @ blogger tolerated at one site I blog for. Policy changed. #editorchat

[20:34:25] PDXsays: @anti9to5guide check out @chrisheuer posts he is lead of @socailmediaclub, a group all about SoMe (social media) and that man by #editorchat

[20:34:29] mobienthusiast: RT @LydiaBreakfast Part of growing online community is learning how to engage everyone & not take bait. Just like in real life #editorchat

[20:34:34] apowerpoint: Some guidelines on how to respond to posts/comments from the Air Force. http://bit.ly/12mdZi #editorchat

[20:34:46] milehighfool: And community doesn’t just have to be online. The old fashioned open house could work for a local paper or bureau. #editorchat

[20:35:07] LydiaBreakfast: We have gone off on a tangent – Q2 When creating online content, should writers have to become SEO experts to get more readers #editorchat

[20:35:14] jimmcbee: it’s not like trolls are a brand new phenomenon … kinda telling that we’re just now figuring out how to deal with them. #editorchat

[20:35:35] Cotey: building community via comments AND registration is pretty tough. We had a great active H.S. sportsblog…before registration. #editorchat

[20:35:42] gmarkham: @edwardboches but once value is established there is a core that will pay. #editorchat

[20:35:55] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: We have gone off on a tangent – Q2 When creating online content, should writers have to become SEO experts? #editorchat

[20:35:56] PDXsays: @PDXsays s/b “… that man doesn’t let anything slip by.” #editorchat

[20:36:08] JDEbberly: @jimmcbee Ignoring trolls is usually the best way to deal with them #editorchat

[20:36:21] newswise: @anti9to5guide correcting inaccuracies is probably more important than just flaming. Depends on the attack #editorchat

[20:36:31] jennipps: Q2 – IMO, no. When I started w/TutorialBlog, my editor gave me some SEO phrases to use for the 1st, but after that, no. #editorchat

[20:36:42] jenwillis: @LydiaBreakfast I’m still trying to figure out SEO…. Good topic! #editorchat

[20:36:45] kitchenMage: @LydiaBreakfast Should we have to be SEOs? NO! Do we have to be SEOs? YES. In all our spare time. *head*keyboard* #editorchat

[20:36:44] PDXsays: @LydiaBreakfast bloggers say, “Content is king.” the only way for true findability is organic. #editorchat

[20:36:47] stephauteri: Q2: For the most part, I feel like SEO can be instinctive. Once you learn the rules, it’s always at the back of your mind. #editorchat

[20:36:47] SuziSteffen: Hi everyone, Suzi Steffen from an alt-weekly in Eugene here. Q2, not expert, but good 2 know SOMETHING re SEO. Tags, links, etc. #editorchat

[20:36:50] jimmcbee: @LydiaBreakfast great q! I wish I knew a thing or two about seo. NO ONE reads my crummy blog πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[20:36:52] TMFZahrim: Q2 To some degree we have to. Sometimes hard to fit SEO in the message though #editorchat

[20:37:05] Cotey: Terry Pluto/Cleveland Plain Dealer hosting Opening Day breakfast. Readers can eat/chat with Tribe beat writer. Brilliant idea. #editorchat

[20:37:08] NitaBe: @LydiaBreakfast,should we ‘have’ to become SEO experts, probably not, but it looks like it’s helpful #editorchat

[20:37:10] mhertz: Q2: Writers should certainly try and become SEO experts, because it can only benefit them if they write online #editorchat

[20:37:11] bob_bobala: @milehighfool re: Q2. I don’t know about experts, but definitely informed. It helps. You just don’t want to become an automaton #editorchat

[20:37:17] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee I could help with that πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:37:28] tweditor: No – Intentionally using SEO terms in stories introduces a Ò€œwrite-by-numberÒ€ scenario thatÒ€ℒs a step away from controlled media. #editorchat

[20:37:29] milehighfool: Community, SEO, isn’t allof this necessary for any sort of profitable digital enterprise? Publishing is no different #editorchat

[20:37:34] newswise: @LydiaBreakfast and throwing things at Jon #editorchat

[20:37:38] jennipps: @TMFZahrim I think if you know your topic well enough, the SEO phrases get put in naturally. #editorchat

[20:37:36] anti9to5guide: Sorry for the tangent I caused! I hate being asked to use keywords stories. Was once asked to work keyword in 6x in 750-wd stry #editorchat

[20:37:36] spencerspellman: I want to join in the conversation now, although I’m late #editorchat

[20:37:45] jenwillis: @kitchenMage I hear your frustration. I remember the simple days of the meta tag…. #editorchat

[20:37:53] CurtMonash: #editorchat Repeat unusual words/phrases rather than using pronouns. That’s my one big SEO trick, and I’m thought to be successful at SEO.

[20:37:55] edwardboches: Polish newspaper designer Jacek Utko thinks design can save print medium (newspaper) Ted conference http://bit.ly/tboAy #editorchat

[20:37:56] jimmcbee: @LydiaBreakfast by reading my blog? or teachin’ me SEO? #editorchat

[20:38:00] PDXsays: Content topic names and catagories morph faster than any writer can follow the trend.. trick is to keep reading and stay abreast #editorchat

[20:38:02] mobienthusiast: #editorchat Q2 SEO is important. Write for people, not search engines but research what ppl want to know (keywords)

[20:38:10] RandomReTweet: RT @mobienthusiast #editorchat Q2 SEO is important. Write for people, not search engines but research what ppl want to know (keywords)

[20:38:11] jennipps: @stephauteri That might be what I mean by it can happen naturally. #editorchat

[20:38:13] BaileyMcC: q2: Writers only benefit from knowing SEO, besides its not difficult. #editorchat

[20:38:15] LydiaBreakfast: Like everything else, it is a fine balance to write well and use SEO, but you can’t crunch it through an “auto-translator” #editorchat

[20:38:22] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast 1st response to that: is it about the qntty/readers, or the quality/writing? I fear we are losing the latter! #editorchat

[20:38:24] JDEbberly: Q2: Optimizing your online articles will in time bring you increased traffic and revenue. #editorchat

[20:38:34] stephauteri: RT @ jennipps: I think if you know your topic well enough, the SEO phrases get put in naturally. #editorchat

[20:38:40] TMFZahrim: @jennipps Hm okay. But I’m discouraged from linking to outside sources which would really help #editorchat

[20:38:37] jennipps: RT @CurtMonash #editorchat Repeat unusual words/phrases rather than using pronouns. That’s my one big SEO trick, and I’m thought #editorchat

[20:38:48] PDXsays: … *WE* create the SEO as we go… it is not *generated* out there somewhere… who makes up the search terms? it is *us*,… #editorchat

[20:38:49] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee SEO, I’ve had experience and now have skills πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:38:51] spencerspellman: Q2-No. Sometimes SEO takes away from the writing and doesn’t fit a writers style. SEO is good, but not the be all, end all #editorchat

[20:38:53] AnthonyMcMurray: RT @mobienthusiast #editorchat Q2 SEO is important. Write for people, not search engines but research what ppl want to know (keywords)

[20:38:53] anniegirl1138: @milehighfool #editorchat. My writing group is through the public lib & local newspaper.

[20:38:59] CurtMonash: #editorchat Of course, that’s easy when writing about companies whose names are made-up words. πŸ™‚

[20:39:06] Ballyhoo: RT @stephauteri: Q2: 4 the most part, I feel lk SEO cn be instinctive. Once U lern the rules it’s always at the back of yr mind. #editorchat

[20:39:07] edwardboches: do you write for SEO after you’re done, going back an editing SEO in? Or from the start. Curious. #editorchat

[20:39:14] wordful: @mhertz to be an SEO expert is too vast…as @jennipps says if you’re natural it should take care it itself #editorchat

[20:39:17] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Therin lies the problem with SEO — it can substitute for good narrative. What good is that? #editorchat

[20:39:48] jennipps: @edwardboches I’ve done both but have an easier time with flow if I write it as I go. #editorchat

[20:39:53] wordful: good to be mindful of SEO but not write for SEO. The point if SEO is to connect humans, not search engines #editorchat

[20:39:59] SuziSteffen: @edwardboches Depends on whether it’s directly for online (links as I go) or first for print (can add later). #editorchat

[20:40:29] PDXsays: Yes, well saidRT:@stephauteri: Q2: 4 the most part, I feel lk SEO cn be instinctive. Once U lern the rules it’s [all in my mind] #editorchat

[20:40:35] spencerspellman: However, I’m not knocking SEO; it is a tool that writers should understand and stay abreast at to keep up w current trends #editorchat

[20:40:33] LydiaBreakfast: @edwardboches I keep it in mind, along with all the rest of the devices used to write a good story #editorchat

[20:40:57] Ballyhoo: @AnthonyMcMurray Tottaly agree re: write for what people are looking for #editorchat

[20:41:03] jimmcbee: I would think that if search engine placement is that critical to your mission, you’d have an expert on staff to help. #editorchat

[20:41:06] tweditor: Like last week, I’ll list what’s expected of us: research/report/blog/video/tweet/podcast/now SEO? Good thing we’re all smart! #editorchat

[20:41:04] BaileyMcC: @edwardboches I prefer to add it after,easier to get the story done and run a quick check – re: SEO #editorchat

[20:41:07] anti9to5guide: How about see what topics people search on most on your blog (via metric tool) and then write stories on them? Insta-SEO? Sorta? #editorchat

[20:41:09] PDXsays: @milehighfool you can’t even try for that… it changes too fast to keep up with. u must write as it comes #editorchat

[20:41:12] CurtMonash: #editorchat Limit yourself to SEO that doesn’t screw up your writing!

[20:41:15] JMegonigal: Idealist and Unrealistic, but journalism USED to be about information, NOT profits. It has morphed -original journ is long gone. #editorchat

[20:41:20] mhertz: @wordful Agreed. “Expert” is too big of a term. Maybe just “informed” when it comes to SEO. #editorchat

[20:41:26] wordful: @spencerspellman agreed. Writers nowadays on line need to factor that into their wrok #editorchat

[20:41:28] newswise: @cbs11news I disagree, I get exposed to more diverse content through communities like Twitter and digg where people share #editorchat

[20:41:48] jennipps: Good tip! πŸ™‚ RT @CurtMonash #editorchat Limit yourself to SEO that doesn’t screw up your writing! #editorchat

[20:41:54] milehighfool: What about tweaking the narrative to accommofate SEO? Common practice or no? #editorchat

[20:42:04] anndouglas: RT @AnthonyMcMurray RT @mobienthusiast #editorchat Write for people, not search engines but research what ppl want to know (keywords)

[20:42:09] BeckyDMBR: @JMegonigal Well, journalism (print) used to be supported by advertising profits. #editorchat

[20:42:26] SuziSteffen: @JMegonigal I don’t think that’s true. Look at the history of yellow journalism, the Spanish-American War … #editorchat

[20:42:39] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Or use community as your SEO guide. Give readers what they want, within reason. #editorchat

[20:42:45] spencerspellman: @JMegonigal I agree re: journalism USED to be about info, but is there still a place for it now and in the future #editorchat

[20:42:58] LisaGemini: I’m new to SEO; where’s a good place to learn it? #editorchat

[20:43:00] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool God, I hope not. πŸ™‚ I guess I’m old school. #editorchat

[20:43:07] jennipps: @milehighfool I’ve actually done that in the editing process. Sometimes it just doesn’t sound write & needs to be tweaked. #editorchat

[20:43:08] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal I don’t know, according to NYT Mag editor Gerald Marzorati, long form alive and well – just costs too much #editorchat

[20:43:09] JMegonigal: @BeckyDMBR Back further. Origins. (Like I said, idealist and unrealistic) #editorchat

[20:43:13] PDXsays: @anti9to5guide yes… pipes are used is Yahoo! find/sort/filter, but they own pipes… open source folks PHP/Ruby building pipes #editorchat

[20:43:25] mobienthusiast: RT @JDEbberly: Q2: Optimizing your online articles will in time bring you increased traffic and revenue. #editorchat

[20:43:29] RandomReTweet: RT @mobienthusiast RT @JDEbberly: Q2: Optimizing your online articles will in time bring you increased traffic and revenue. #editorchat

[20:43:45] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Yes, I use reader letters/comments as fodder for future column ideas. #editorchat

[20:43:54] Single_Shot: Stupid question from late entry (Diane Mapes, freelance journalist), who needs to use SEO? Nat’l news sites? Bloggers? Both? #editorchat

[20:44:04] jimmcbee: I think there’s kind of a mythology about a golden age of news. It’s always had its good and bad sides. #editorchat

[20:44:17] BeckyDMBR: @JMegonigal Yeah, OK. You could hope for a wealthy philanthropist to support your work. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:44:23] jennipps: @LisaGemini I’d start with a Google search on something like “SEO tips” or “tips for writing SEO” #editorchat

[20:44:31] BaileyMcC: RT @jimmcbee: I think there’s kind of a mythology about a golden age of news. It’s always had its good and bad sides. #editorchat

[20:44:33] SuziSteffen: @milehighfool Excellent point! What they want and also within reason. #editorchat

[20:44:33] milehighfool: Devil’s advocate: Might SEO and community-building keep us from telling stories that need to be told but aren’t popular? #editorchat

[20:44:42] LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot that is the question πŸ™‚ Are all writers expected to use it now? #editorchat

[20:44:46] Booklorn: @Single_Shot Anyone who wants to get noticed on the noisy web needs SEO. #editorchat

[20:44:58] jennipps: @milehighfool I think so. #editorchat

[20:45:04] JMegonigal: @jimmcbee You’re probably right. #editorchat

[20:45:08] PDXsays: @Single_Shot everyone, if you want ur stuff read… but don’t be self-conscious is best advice I got.study, read,be organic #editorchat

[20:45:13] gmarkham: @jimmcbee The golden age has always been the one just passed. #editorchat

[20:45:24] jennipps: RT @Booklorn @Single_Shot Anyone who wants to get noticed on the noisy web needs SEO. #editorchat

[20:45:25] LisaGemini: @JMegonigal Yes, I do believe some publishers feel above readers. Some journos do, too, unfortunately. #editorchat

[20:45:27] anti9to5guide: @Single_Shot I think that’s currently up for debate. πŸ™‚ Hey, your editor called and your SEO-riddled rewrite is due! Ack! πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:45:54] bob_bobala: @milehighfool No. Don’t you think the most unpopular stories often get the biggest buzz? #editorchat

[20:46:11] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast @Booklorn But if I write about people w/horns growing out of their head, can’t I just assume that’ll get noticd? #editorchat

[20:46:18] stephauteri: @Single_Shot: I think both! SEO can always help in bringing new readers to you, if you’re what they’re looking for. #editorchat

[20:46:20] jimmcbee: @JMegonigal @LydiaBreakfast Palmetto State in da house, I see. #editorchat

[20:46:28] TJCNYC: Contrarian idea: start a GREAT user-supported journalism site; charge $1000/yr. Make long-form journalism exotic, rare. #editorchat

[20:46:33] LydiaBreakfast: RT @gmarkham The golden age has always been the one just passed. #editorchat

[20:46:38] gmarkham: SEO is seen too much as a magic bullet. It builds traffic but only in conjunction with providing consistent value. #editorchat

[20:46:41] spencerspellman: RT @jennipps @Booklorn @Single_Shot Anyone who wants to get noticed on the noisy web needs SEO. #editorchat

[20:46:44] Single_Shot: @anti9to5guide Very funny. ; ) #editorchat

[20:46:46] LisaGemini: @Booklorn I agree that you need to know SEO; do you teach it or know where to learn it? #editorchat

[20:46:48] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee Woot woot! #editorchat

[20:46:52] MargaretClark: @edwardboches I think about it from the start AND go back through afterwards to make sure my keywords are sprinkled throughout #editorchat

[20:47:09] Booklorn: @Single_Shot It depends on what words people will use to search for stories about people with horns growing out of their heads. #editorchat

[20:47:09] wordful: SEO is incidental and for too long SEO “experts” have been telling us it’s a secret art. Worry about SEO can get maddening. #editorchat

[20:47:11] PDXsays: has anyone ever watched a hash tag trend on twitter? watched peolpe intentionally drive it to the top in like and hour or 2? #editorchat

[20:47:12] CatherinVentura: @milehighfool #editorchat y too much emphasis on SEO might keep you from telling important stories but how can community building detract?

[20:47:22] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Certainly that was true in the early days of the Fool. Is it still that way? Sometimes, but not always. #editorchat

[20:47:30] jimmcbee: @gmarkham I think it was the age before last. Assuming the last age was the Age of USAToday. #editorchat

[20:47:33] bob_bobala: @spencerspellman Ha. Good luck with the $1000 per year, TJCNYC. #editorchat

[20:47:39] LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot only if you tag “horns” and “head” and “abnormal growth of horns” and use those phrases like mad in your story πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:47:45] solotraveler: @Single_Shot #editorchat all websites should have at least basic SEO. Beyond that and you need analytics and metrics to SEO really well.

[20:47:56] anndouglas: @milehighfool I haven’t seen that as much as grossly distorted headlines because of SEO – esp working in sexual terms. #editorchat

[20:48:01] SuziSteffen: @PDXsays Isn’t that what we are doing? πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:47:59] CatherinVentura: @TJCNYC #editorchat Like the Paris Review?

[20:48:32] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Well, that’s where business models and $ come in. #editorchat

[20:48:32] LisaGemini: @milehighfool That’s one great question, about tweaking narrative to fit SEO. Does that seriously happen often? #editorchat

[20:48:57] stephauteri: @milehighfool: There’s needs to be a balance. After all, you should be telling the stories *you* feel are important. #editorchat

[20:48:58] jimmcbee: a friend is lurking and just passed along a PPT on SEO by email πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[20:49:04] PDXsays: @anndouglas @LydiaBreakfast I think that is the idea… we *are* the creators of SEO, *if* we learn to harness our own power #editorchat

[20:49:13] jimmcbee: @anndouglas dirty SEO? #editorchat

[20:49:21] edwardboches: hey, I think I’ll become and SEO expert and be a highly paid consultant to journalists πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:49:29] jennipps: RT @stephauteri @milehighfool: There’s needs to be a balance. After all, you should be telling the stories *you* feel are imptnt #editorchat

[20:49:32] Booklorn: @LisaGemini No, I don’t teach SEO. I’m learning through self-teaching but need to pay more attention I think. #editorchat

[20:49:37] anndouglas: @milehighfool I’ve also noticed a lot of SEO optimization in tweets lately – again with the hot words (double meaning). πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:49:38] wordful: SEO should come after great content has been established #editorchat

[20:49:41] BeckyDMBR: SEO is one thing. But if you know that and still have crappy writing? Meh. #editorchat

[20:49:52] milehighfool: @anndouglas True. And for the record: I’m guilty of this. I go for noticeable headlines. trick is matching story to the head. #editorchat

[20:49:53] JDEbberly: RT @wordful: SEO should come after great content has been established #editorchat

[20:49:57] RandomReTweet: RT @JDEbberly RT @wordful: SEO should come after great content has been established #editorchat

[20:50:02] LydiaBreakfast: @edwardboches too bad none of us will be making any money #editorchat

[20:50:12] edwardboches: god save us all, writers and readers if SEO becomes the driving force behind our content #editorchat

[20:50:12] jenwillis: @PDXsays I like that, writers as of SEO. Empowerment! #editorchat

[20:50:31] PDXsays: @SuziSteffen yes.. see my most recent post… that is one way to take back journalism from the night #editorchat

[20:50:32] TJCNYC: @CatherinVentura Embarrassed to admit I haven’t read the Paris Review in years. But yes, I guess so. #editorchat

[20:50:40] wordful: way too many people see SEO coming before the content…that’s why most of the web is a mess..at least right now #editorchat

[20:50:46] bob_bobala: @wordful I agree. SEO can come after. Add this, tweak that. But don’t change your story for SEO. #editorchat

[20:50:51] edwardboches: @LydiaBreakfast touche #editorchat

[20:50:53] KakieF: WOW – Hi #editorchat . Kakie, author, editor, blogger, writer Minneapolis, MN sorry I’m late

[20:51:01] PDXsays: @jenwillis yes… *we* can set the trends, create the SEO! #editorchat

[20:51:07] LydiaBreakfast: Related to SEO Q3 How important are embedded links in stories? Do you encourage links to other sites or only back to your own? #editorchat

[20:51:11] jennipps: @wordful Maybe that’s why I’m SEO-resistant. I use it when I have to, but I don’t really like to. #editorchat

[20:51:15] jenwillis: @milehighfool Good point about headlines. Not consistently a strength for me. #editorchat

[20:51:16] LisaGemini: @edwardboches I kinda think that SEO is becoming a driving force behind web content, but not the only force. #editorchat

[20:51:22] milehighfool: @stephauteri Amen. That’s the only way to ensure writing with an authentic, unique voice. #editorchat

[20:51:29] wordful: there simply aren’t enoughs editors on the web — it’s mostly marketers! #editorchat

[20:51:39] spencerspellman: @edwardboches I agree that it is so easy to lose great content amidst SEO. Quality content I think is key. #editorchat

[20:51:50] JMegonigal: @jimmcbee Absolutely! #editorchat

[20:51:52] PDXsays: @PDXsays that was the original intention of SEO… before it became monetized… it still works #editorchat

[20:51:52] Booklorn: I think too many ppl lose sight of fact that SEO without content is pointless. SEO is means to end, but not end itself. #editorchat

[20:51:56] JohannaBD: RT @mobienthusiast: RT @JDEbberly: Q2: Optimizing your online articles will in time bring you increased traffic and revenue. #editorchat

[20:51:59] jennipps: Q3 – I’ve provided links to other sites in some articles. They’ve always been left in, so I guess it’s OK. #editorchat

[20:52:01] krisTK: Challenging to follow Schieffer, Ifill, Brooks and Shields discussion at #schieffer and #editorchat

[20:52:04] Single_Shot: @milehighfool Do your editors use your suggested headlines? #editorchat

[20:52:06] edwardboches: @wordful actually it’s mostly readers and customers, so how do you make them yours? #editorchat

[20:52:07] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Sometimes readers gripe when the headline doesn’t match the story. Still, it seems like all sites do this. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:52:10] JDEbberly: RT @spencerspellman: @edwardboches I agree that it is so easy to lose great content amidst SEO. Quality content I think is key. #editorchat

[20:52:21] TMFZahrim: Trouble is, I suck as SEO, esp. snappy headlines. Hard to know how far to push — and what might get past the editors #editorchat

[20:52:23] tweditor: @edwardboches By literally making us rethink word choice, SEO is just a less malevolent big brother. But then so is Twitter! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:52:26] wordful: @Booklorn so true, so true #editorchat

[20:52:31] mobienthusiast: #editorchat Q3 I always add outbound links at http://mobienthusiast.mobi so people can find great mobile sites.

[20:52:31] milehighfool: Also, related to Q3, does it help or hurt to link out to other sites? #editorchat

[20:52:35] stephauteri: Q3: I use outgoing links as much as internal links, as a means of creating a collaborative environment among writers. #editorchat

[20:52:37] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast I may not be backed by this but I believe in linking to others. #editorchat

[20:52:40] jimmcbee: re: q3 we’re not seriously refusing to link out, still, are we? just make sure the link opens in new page. Jeez. #editorchat

[20:52:52] KakieF: RT @spencerspellman: @edwardboches I agree that it is so easy to lose great content amidst SEO. Quality content I think is key. #editorchat

[20:52:55] PDXsays: @jenwillis that was the original intention of SEO… before it became monetized… it still works #editorchat

[20:52:58] JMegonigal: @edwardboches Journalists won’t be able to affort a consultant. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:53:04] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Every site does. I’ve been guilty of getting it wrong. But I try hard not to. #editorchat

[20:53:06] BeckyDMBR: I admit I’m a complete SEO idiot. I’ll go to a blogging conference this summer to learn more. But info w/be a tool. #editorchat

[20:53:10] mhertz: Q3 Only including links back to your own work seems (at least to me) too self-serving. You should link to what’s relevant. #editorchat

[20:53:10] LydiaBreakfast: @mobienthusiast but that is your own site so you have the freedom to link as you please, right? #editorchat

[20:53:28] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Sure, all the time. Part of my job is to suggest headlines for my work. #editorchat

[20:53:29] jennipps: @milehighfool I think it helps. It helps the other site, yes, but it also helps you b/c you’re not being “stingy” with info. #editorchat

[20:53:29] kitchenMage: @milehighfool re: headlines My most popular pages have obvious titles. Using “recipe” when it is one increases hits. A lot. #editorchat

[20:53:30] spencerspellman: I think w the current times, its important to see others as not competitors but people we can work together with to a goal #editorchat

[20:53:33] PDXsays: @KakieF true quality drives SEO #editorchat

[20:53:33] edwardboches: links save time (you don’t have to cover or explain) they are a service to readers, saving them search, and they say…. #editorchat

[20:53:36] Shelbow: RT @JDEbberly: RT @wordful: SEO should come after great content has been established #editorchat I agree! Keep SEO in mind, yes …

[20:53:49] anti9to5guide: Q3: I link like crazy. Some editors you have to convince to link to competing sites though. #editorchat

[20:53:50] LydiaBreakfast: @spencerspellman I do too, almost did it in my latest gville post today, but know 10B won’t go for it. #editorchat

[20:53:51] milehighfool: @Single_Shot At least, so far as my writing for The Motley Fool goes. #editorchat

[20:53:55] KakieF: I am not always sure how to set it up so the link opens in a new page when leaving comments on sites of others (different topic) #editorchat

[20:53:57] edwardboches: …and links say that you are part of the digital world and community, it’s all good #editorchat

[20:54:01] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast Absolutely. Linking to other sources, etc. only helps reinforce the article itself (or should, if it’s correct!) #editorchat

[20:54:09] spencerspellman: I think linking to and with others should have mutual benefits although it doesn’t always #editorchat

[20:54:15] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool I’ve come to expect it and I think readers have too. I just hope it’s not more “the media sux” ammo. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:54:18] milehighfool: RT @PDXsays: @KakieF true quality drives SEO #editorchat

[20:54:16] stephauteri: RT @mhertz Only including links back to your own work seems (at least to me) too self-serving. #editorchat

[20:54:20] tweditor: Q3: Re: linking only to your own content. Are any pubs/comm entities that self-aggrandizing? In 2009? #editorchat

[20:54:21] SuziSteffen: Q3 I link as much as I can in blog posts for the paper out of interest for the readers. Also I think there’s more to crawl. #editorchat

[20:54:33] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast Yes I understand what you mean by that. #editorchat

[20:54:35] PDXsays: @BeckyDMBR where are you? there are now 12 Beerandblog.com meetings world wide, devoted to such topics through local experts fee #editorchat

[20:54:36] Single_Shot: @milehighfool I always come up with heds, 2, but they don’t always use them. As for SEO, I haven’t given it a thought. Ever. #editorchat

[20:54:39] LisaGemini: If any of you is an SEO expert, please get in touch with me. I need major help w/ SEO. #editorchat

[20:54:40] xybrewer: SEO Q3: Answer changes over time, but latest answer is linking to both yours and other sites in an article. #editorchat

[20:54:46] TMFZahrim: outside links helps SE ranking but hurts retention. My editors love retention. #editorchat

[20:54:59] mtlb: RT @edwardboches: god save us all, writers and readers if SEO becomes the driving force behind our content #editorchat

[20:54:59] JDEbberly: RT @LisaGemini: If any of you is an SEO expert, please get in touch with me. I need major help w/ SEO. #editorchat

[20:55:00] milehighfool: @stephauteri What about to the site? I’ll often link to other Fools but rarely do we link outside fool.com. #editorchat

[20:55:02] LydiaBreakfast: Linking to external and competitors sites blurs lines. Is there enough pie for everyone to have a slice? #editorchat

[20:55:04] edwardboches: the best links take you to unexpected, interesting finds, that a reader will be thankful for #editorchat

[20:55:06] jennipps: @KakieF If you’re linking via hand-coded HTML, insert “target=_blank” before you close the tag. #editorchat

[20:55:10] bob_bobala: I think it definitely helps to link to good external sources. Gives you more credibility, and makes your content less about you. #editorchat

[20:55:21] MargaretClark: @edwardboches Links help Google identify your topical community. Make sure you are pointing to authoritative sites… #editorchat

[20:55:28] jimmcbee: putting a no-link-out fence around your product misses the whole point of the Internet #editorchat

[20:55:27] xybrewer: SEO Q3: If linking to your own site, pay attention to the words in the link text; make them key terms, if it feels natural. #editorchat

[20:55:35] Booklorn: @KakieF Forcing page 2 open in different window is bad (considered rude by many). If users want new page they know how 2 get it. #editorchat

[20:55:35] wordful: helps at 1st to link out, then u need to reign it in a bit to keep your community close. as you mature, linking out helps other #editorchat

[20:55:35] apowerpoint: @edwardboches and good for SEO #editorchat

[20:55:38] spencerspellman: I believe for writers and just businesses to be successful now, we will have to rely more on each other and working together #editorchat

[20:55:47] milehighfool: @Single_Shot You are officially my heroine. For the next 5 minutes. #editorchat

[20:56:09] tlw3: RT @edwardboches: the best links take you to unexpected, interesting finds, that a reader will be thankful for #editorchat

[20:56:16] mariaelenaduron: RT @spencerspellman I believe for writers and just businesses to be successful now, we will have to rely more on each other #editorchat

[20:56:18] milehighfool: @bob_bobala That seems to be the prevailing wisdom and it makes sense. Links are the currency of the Web, yes? #editorchat

[20:56:24] bob_bobala: @TMFZahrim They should provide the best experience to get the best retention. I would do things differently if still there! #editorchat

[20:56:25] PDXsays: @BeckyDMBR freewhat I meant… ystart a chapter in ur community… @justinkistner founded these.. SEO knowledge viral in PDX now #editorchat

[20:56:25] KakieF: @tweditor I sometimes link back to some of my old stuff for reference only #editorchat

[20:56:28] tweetpea: RT SAY IT AGAIN! @Wordful: SEO should come after great content has been established #editorchat

[20:56:29] anti9to5guide: Hear hear. RT @edwardboches: god save us all, writers & readers if SEO becomes the driving force behind our content #editorchat #editorchat

[20:56:31] gmarkham: @TMFZahrim quality of links establishes trustiworthiness, value of linkees. may hurt retention, but not future visits #editorchat

[20:56:34] JMegonigal: @spencerspellman Good luck! Tried to PROMOTE other editors (positively) in our region recently. All refused to participate. #editorchat

[20:56:34] xybrewer: @lydiabreakfast I think there is, if you’re staying true to the content and giving readers what they want. #editorchat

[20:56:45] jimmcbee: @LydiaBreakfast the pie keeps growing exponentially. There’s just no money in it, cos Google vacuumed it all out. #editorchat

[20:56:46] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast That’s a great ? about blurring lines, I think it’s important to set goals and not go crazy with linking #editorchat

[20:56:53] JDEbberly: RT @edwardboches: the best links take you to unexpected, interesting finds, that a reader will be thankful for #editorchat

[20:56:55] xybrewer: @lydiabreakfast Is there some credibility in admitting when a competitor has better supporting information? #editorchat

[20:57:04] milehighfool: @jimmcbee Right. Yiou rob yourself of the some of the community-building opportunities we’ve been discussing. #editorchat

[20:57:03] stephauteri: @milehighfool: I link to other sites all the time, but direct link to open in separate window, to encourage readers to return. #editorchat

[20:57:03] jennipps: @Booklorn 1st I’ve heard of that. Always heard opening in a new window keeps visitors @ your site & doesn’t drive them away. #editorchat

[20:57:06] KakieF: RT @edwardboches: the best links take you to unexpected, interesting finds, that a reader will be thankful for #editorchat

[20:57:11] PDXsays: @LydiaBreakfast like 7-11 stores, more on the corner, more biz u have #editorchat

[20:57:14] mhertz: People are too worried about losing readers by linking out. Good content should keep them there, short attention span be damned. #editorchat

[20:57:21] anndouglas: @milehighfool Do you mean you’d pull a keyword out of something you know ppl would be searching on today, like fool? #editorchat

[20:57:20] GLENNatMHz: SEO is the new paperboy. #editorchat

[20:57:28] TMFZahrim: @gmarkham Agreed and I want to use them more. How can I convince my higher-ups? #editorchat

[20:57:31] wordful: @xybrewer probably better to have the best supporting info yourself to begin with #editorchat

[20:57:34] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast I think linking to others should be focused and have goals though or it will have a hard time working #editorchat

[20:57:39] bob_bobala: @milehighfool There’s this paranoia about losing people. But if you’re offering a great experience, people will come back. #editorchat

[20:57:39] mariaelenaduron: RT @spencerspellman That’s a great ? about blurring lines, I think it’s important to set goals and not go crazy w/linking #editorchat

[20:58:00] JMegonigal: @jimmcbee LOL. A big pie with nothing in it. Would be hilarious, except I’d like to be a for-profit someday! #editorchat

[20:58:04] mobienthusiast: @LydiaBreakfast yes, it’s my site so I don’t answer to an editor. I know for a fact w/o links I wouldn’t have the traffic I have #editorchat

[20:58:06] stephauteri: @milehighfool: Maybe it’s just web, but I’m finding some sites to be more collaborative than competitive. And me likee! #editorchat

[20:58:06] PDXsays: @mhertz loose more readers thru poor usability on ur own webstite than outside links #editorchat

[20:58:10] tweditor: @KakieF Maybe I misunderstood? I think the implication is that some orgs only link back to their own stuff and never outside. #editorchat

[20:58:20] DrFernKazlow: #editorchat

[20:58:25] milehighfool: @anndouglas No, not a keyword but a link, like a blog or relevant news story. #editorchat

[20:58:33] spencerspellman: @JMegonigal I would be interested to hear more about that, however, I agree that it’s hard getting others to see the benefit #editorchat

[20:58:38] Single_Shot: @anti9to5guide Reminds me of an old Far Side cartoon, what dogs hear. Blah blah blah blah SEO. Blah blah SEO SEO SEO. Blah blah. #editorchat

[20:58:52] gmarkham: @TMFZahrim tell them to take a look at Drudge’s numbers: all link based, huge traffic. #editorchat

[20:58:54] KakieF: RT @bob_bobala: @milehighfool There’sparanoia about losing people. If you’re offering great experience, people will come back. #editorchat

[20:58:57] jennipps: RT @mhertz Ppl are too worried abt losing readers by linking out. Good content shld keep them there, short attention be damned #editorchat

[20:59:01] JMegonigal: Okay, have juggled the laptop and a 5-pg pagination long enough. Time to give one the focus it really needs. ‘Night #editorchat

[20:59:06] LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot exactly! #editorchat

[20:59:13] PDXsays: @Single_Shot roflol #editorchat

[20:59:14] bob_bobala: @TMFZahrim You can track your page views (and in your case likely newsletter leads). Don’t think they will go down at all. #editorchat

[20:59:25] anti9to5guide: My fave example of linking out is a pal who blogs for Microsoft and convinced them to let her link to flickr & other sites. #editorchat

[20:59:26] wordful: @Single_Shot that’s very funny #editorchat

[20:59:31] jenwillis: @Single_Shot LOL! I loved that cartoon. The dog’s name was Ginger. I feel much the same when it comes to SEO. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:59:32] jennipps: @JMegonigal Good to see you here. Good luck with the project. #editorchat

[20:59:34] edwardboches: @Single_Shot funny, like that, seo blah #editorchat

[20:59:39] DrFernKazlow: RT @spencerspellman That’s a great ? about blurring lines, I think it’s important to set goals and not go crazy w/linking #editorchat

[20:59:36] PDXsays: RT @Single_Shot @anti9to5guide Reminds me of an old Far Side cartoon, what dogs hear. Blah blah blah blah SEO. Blah blah SEO SEO #editorchat

[20:59:39] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Thanks for stopping in, Jordana. #editorchat

[20:59:41] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal Night Jordana thanks for coming πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:59:44] david_prince: @Booklorn Re:Forcing pg2. I’m not convinced. If the link is mid-post guest may want to view B4 commenting & welcome pg2 #editorchat

[20:59:48] mhertz: @PDXsays I agree with you. Usability is obviously important, too. #editorchat

[21:00:00] DryerBuzz: when editors worry about the SEO, does the story get out? #editorchat

[21:00:14] jimmcbee: @JMegonigal tell me about it! … reality is, we’re at the pre-model T horseless carriage stage. No one knows what model’ll win #editorchat

[21:00:15] anndouglas: @milehighfool I do that, too. I mean if everyone is talking about it, you might as well tie it in – unless it’s a huge stretch. #editorchat

[21:00:19] chrispitre: rt @mtlb RT @edwardboches: god save us all, writers and readers if SEO becomes the driving force behind our content #editorchat

[21:00:33] spencerspellman: @JMegonigal Night. Thanks for the words. #editorchat

[21:00:40] jennipps: RT @david_prince Booklorn Re:Forcing pg2. I’m not convinced. If link is mid-post guest may want to view B4 commenting & welcome #editorchat

[21:00:39] Twirrim: Amen, no point showing everyone you have nothing to say! RT @Wordful: SEO should come after great content has been established #editorchat

[21:00:45] TMFZahrim: @bob_bobala Um, they hardly let us poor contractors know which articles do well or not. Who do I have to kill? #editorchat

[21:00:48] Booklorn: @jennipps: If u search for forcing links to open in new page you will see plenty against. #editorchat

[21:00:53] anti9to5guide: @Single_Shot HILARIOUS! I hope it stays that way. Was so turned off when a certain client asked me 2 use keywords in a lede. #editorchat

[21:00:56] SuziSteffen: OK, great convo, but must go work on a post about blogging for my students (we’re interviewing Boston Globe ed tomorrow). Night! #editorchat

[21:00:59] LisaGemini: RT @mhertz Ppl are too worried abt losing readers by linking out. Good content shld keep them there, short attention be damned #editorchat

[21:01:15] milehighfool: @jimmcbee Hence this discussion and series. We’re at a moment in time ripe for innovation. #editorchat

[21:01:15] xybrewer: SEO Q3: People who have specific SEO goals should worry about this. Not content/writers/journalists/editors. Y’all are good! #editorchat

[21:01:18] JDEbberly: RT @edwardboches: god save us all, writers and readers if SEO becomes the driving force behind our content #editorchat

[21:01:39] KakieF: @DryerBuzz Great question, but I think good editor focuses on quality of content first. Better experience = return visitors #editorchat

[21:01:45] jennipps: Agreed. RT @milehighfool @jimmcbee Hence this discussion and series. We’re at a moment in time ripe for innovation. #editorchat

[21:01:50] spencerspellman: RT @milehighfool Hence this discussion and series. We’re at a moment in time ripe for innovation. #editorchat

[21:02:03] LydiaBreakfast: Q4 Building community is by nature, more conversational. Writers and editors, how informal can your stories be? #editorchat

[21:02:06] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @jimmcbee Hence this discussion and series. We’re at a moment in time ripe for innovation. #editorchat

[21:02:10] PDXsays: Hey guys… metrics and mapping and trends for all published all over the place… we are talking and asking about info exists #editorchat

[21:02:13] edwardboches: looks like if someone does a search on the term SEO, #editorchat will come up high. SEO appears a lot here πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:02:25] PassoverRecipes: Most of our site is outbound links, it helps make it a community and encourages ppl to share content #editorchat Q3

[21:02:31] spencerspellman: @milehighfool I couldn’t agree more about the time being right for innovation #editorchat

[21:02:31] jimmcbee: @milehighfool yes, and it’s great fun. I hope I can keep paying the mortgage. πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[21:02:33] anti9to5guide: @TMFZahrim Good point. Do you ask for updates on how your stories do in terms of hits? I wish I did more. I don’t hear much. #editorchat

[21:02:36] bob_bobala: @TMFZahrim I mean really. How do they expect you to succeed without giving information? I’m sorry to hear that. #editorchat

[21:02:51] MikeLizun: re Q3 Technorati Attention Index. top sites with highest number of blogs linking to them. NYT is #2 http://bit.ly/2d0LB8 #editorchat

[21:02:57] jimmcbee: @JDEbberly #editorchat

[21:28:33] jennipps: @gmarkham That’s a popular phrase this week in my little corner of the world. And appropriate. #editorchat

[21:28:39] milehighfool: We want to keep this innovation series going so be sure to post your questions to editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:28:38] stephauteri: is a TMI sex/relationships writer (my poor husband). Also enjoys writing about careers, $, and other fun things! #editorchat

[21:28:46] LisaGemini: I’m new to this chat. Thanks for all the great work, moderators. I will be back! Bravo. #editorchat

[21:28:54] wordful: Gotta run…aloha to all! #editorchat

[21:29:06] firemom: Exciting. I just found out about #editorchat and editorchat.wordpress.com! Hurrah! (Editor here!)

[21:29:17] jennipps: @LisaGemini THey do a great job, don’t they? πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:29:19] Single_Shot: Thanx 4 another fun editorchat, everybody! Diane Mapes, freelance journalist & rabid first-personist. dianemapes.net #editorchat

[21:29:17] jenwillis: Jennifer Willis, freelance writer and author in spirituality, sustainability, history and health. http://tinyurl.com/cu7fgh #editorchat

[21:29:19] BeckyDMBR: Thanks for the chat! Journalist in Iowa on blogs and still in print. [T-Rex screech!] #editorchat

[21:29:42] LydiaBreakfast: @LisaGemini Thanks for coming to our party πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:29:44] LisaGemini: @stephauteri How did you get into writing about TMI sex/relationships?? Any advice for me if I want to check it out? #editorchat

[21:29:47] kitchenMage: I’m a food writer, photographer, and cookbook author in search of a buyer from BN or Borders. My #1 post: http://bit.ly/JMZZ #editorchat

[21:29:48] anndouglas: I’m Ann Douglas, blogger, magazine columnist, author, mom, person trying to make the world a better place. See profile link. #editorchat

[21:29:50] Single_Shot: @gmarkham Hear hear to fabulous cat-herding moderators! #editorchat

[21:30:06] tweditor: Well, I’m off to innovate and think of SEO keywords to put in my next blog post. πŸ™‚ See you next week! #editorchat

[21:30:33] michellesedas: I just got in last minute but will me back next week. Thanks for your insight! #editorchat

[21:30:35] jennipps: See you all next week and on Twitter in the meantime. I’m out. Have a few short articles I need to research. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:30:40] LydiaBreakfast: @tweditor Be strong πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:30:41] JDEbberly: Thank YOU moderators @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast for yet another fabulous informative chat!! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:30:43] mhertz: Thanks for the chat, everyone. Freelance writer, editor and screenwriter in the San Francisco Bay Area. #editorchat

[21:30:52] stephauteri: @LisaGemini: College internship. I created online content for two personals sites owned by same co. as Boston Phoenix. #editorchat

[21:31:04] anti9to5guide: Thx for all the great insights. Michelle Goodman, freelance writer/author, http://www.anti9to5guide.com #editorchat

[21:31:09] milehighfool: @tweditor Brilliant! Let us know how it goes πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:31:17] bsaunders: writes social and cultural commentary, topics from careers to fitness to pets to religion. Corporate: about energy-efficiency #editorchat

[21:31:27] GirlsSentAway: @LydiaBreakfast Next #editorchat, I may join in. I’m new to Twitter chats and am unsure how one follows all participants at once.

[21:31:28] firemom: I’m also a freelance writer, tackling parenting, adoption & fire safety issues. See you next week! #editorchat

[21:31:43] KakieF: See you all next week. Peace and blessings #editorchat

[21:31:41] catekustanczy: Cate, freelance online journo, broadcaster, writer. Frustrated w old-world attitudes to new technologies. Prepping for mad day. #editorchat

[21:31:44] stephauteri: @LisaGemini: Since then, got pigeonholed, I suppose, though I do find it fun. #editorchat

[21:31:49] BaileyMcC: Bailey Mccann – still employed writer and consultant fr New York City #editorchat

[21:31:52] LydiaBreakfast: @bsaunders Thanks for joining us! #editorchat

[21:31:53] alysonenglish: I’m Alyson. I write about lots of stuff, but let’s say health, family, home, biz and “green” stuff just to keep it under 140. #editorchat

[21:32:09] firemom: @GirlsSentAway Use tweetgrid.com so you can view multiple hashtags &/or your replies. #editorchat

[21:32:11] jenwillis: Thanks, everyone! Great #editorchat tonight! πŸ™‚

[21:32:20] GinaLaGuardia: @DrFernKazlow Hello, by the way! Have you seen the info about our NYC #gno #12for12k TweetUp yet? #editorchat

[21:32:22] LydiaBreakfast: @GirlsSentAway tweetchat.com is the best for this. You’ll catch on. #editorchat

[21:32:33] KakieF: @tweditor Yes, I agree that is a problem. If people are only linking back to their own stuff = not good #editorchat

[21:32:38] Booklorn: Freshly minted editor/writer, previously genetic engineering. Finger in many pies. Need mentor #editorchat

[21:32:42] JDEbberly: @BaileyMcC No prob! πŸ™‚ You can look forward to many more!! πŸ™‚ Have an excellent evening! #editorchat

[21:33:00] kitchenMage: Great chatting with you all. See you all next week! #editorchat

[21:33:18] anndouglas: @milehighfool @lydiabreakfast Thanks for another fabulous #editorchat See you next week.

[21:33:21] anti9to5guide: Thanks, fabulous moderators! Great chat! #editorchat

[21:33:22] milehighfool: @Booklorn Glad you could make it. Join us again. #editorchat

[21:33:45] milehighfool: @anndouglas Thanks, Ann. We appreciate it. #editorchat

[21:33:49] wasatchwoman: Is #editorchat about to end? What’d I miss? #editorchat

[21:33:54] LydiaBreakfast: @Booklorn you’ll find all the help you need in our little community #editorchat

[21:34:09] LydiaBreakfast: @anndouglas Thanks Ann πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:34:07] GinaLaGuardia: I’m miffed I was so late tonight; sorry I couldn’t contribute more. Next week, promise. “Content pimp,” signing off. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:34:26] JDEbberly: @kitchenMage See you next week, KM!! Have a fabulous evening! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:34:32] stephauteri: Good night all. Thanks for the chat! Excited to actually be home for it this time around. #editorchat

[21:34:37] LydiaBreakfast: @wasatchwoman You can see the transcript tomorrow at http://www.editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:34:50] milehighfool: @wasatchwoman Yeah, we go from 8-9:30 pm eastern. Transcript will be at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:35:07] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @wasatchwoman You can see the transcript tomorrow at http://www.editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:35:12] milehighfool: @GinaLaGuardia Thanks, Gina, See you next week. #editorchat

[21:35:14] Colgo: @LydiaBreakfast Good job. Way better than #journchat πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:35:14] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @wasatchwoman Yeah, we go from 8-9:30 pm eastern. Transcript will be at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:35:28] wasatchwoman: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for the tip. Bummer I missed it. That’s what I get for living in the Rocky Mountains. #editorchat

[21:35:38] GinaLaGuardia: @milehighfool Definitely. πŸ™‚ Thanks, as always. #editorchat

[21:35:54] milehighfool: @Colgo Thanks for joining us. Hope to see you next week. #editorchat

[21:36:04] DrFernKazlow: RT @JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @wasatchwoman Yeah, we go from 8-9:30 pm eastern. Transcript will beat editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:36:33] earleyedition: Keeping one eye on #editorchat. Much the awesome πŸ™‚

[21:36:59] mariaelenaduron: Gr8 chat! Looking 4ward 2 participating even more next week! #editorchat

[21:37:15] RBLevin: Media totally overhyped Conficker threat. #editorchat

[21:37:15] milehighfool: @wasatchwoman No excuses. I live in the Rocky Mountains, too πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:37:38] LydiaBreakfast: @mariaelenaduron Thanks, hope to see you next time. #editorchat

[21:37:55] milehighfool: @mariaelenaduron Glad you could join us. See you next week. #editorchat

[21:38:12] wasatchwoman: @milehighfool Touche! I guess I can’t argue that. #editorchat

[21:38:19] Colgo: By the way – introduction: digital editor, former print reporter, based in Sydney #editorchat

[21:38:33] JDEbberly: @mariaelenaduron Really looking forward to seeing you next week, Maria! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:38:40] Colgo: @earleyedition yeah it’s good, eh? #editorchat

[21:38:46] LydiaBreakfast: Lydia Dishman, freelance business journalist also covering food, travel and style. #editorchat

[21:39:08] GirlsSentAway: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! I’ll check it out. #editorchat

[21:39:26] Colgo: @milehighfool Amen to that. Never been a better time to try creative ways of telling stories #editorchat

[21:39:37] DrFernKazlow: Thanks for a great chat. Will miss next week but see you the week after. Glad U have a transcript! #editorchat

[21:39:55] JimMoreno: is a Games Editor for Armchair General website, and MMORPG columnist writing about the art of roleplaying for WarCry Network. #editorchat

[21:40:08] milehighfool: Tim Beyers, Motley Fool contributor, freelancing in tech, finance and other topics that pay. timbeyers.com #editorchat

[21:42:27] Willowbottom: Oh, bummer. I missed #editorchat. 😦

[21:44:18] Nancy_White: writer, editor, missed #editorchat this week, travelling mext wk. where can I get transcript?

[21:49:05] Single_Shot: @mhertz I have a hard time keeping up with #editorchat even when Internet/computer are running well. It gets pretty fast & furious at times.

[21:50:46] earleyedition: @Colgo agree w/statement re: #editorchat better than #prchat ! Think creative ways of telling stories will include some form of Cit “Journ”

Written by LydiaBreakfast

April 7, 2009 at 2:05 pm

What We’re Talking About on #editorchat 4/1

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We’re not going the April Fools route today – this edition of #editorchat will be the real deal.

After stimulating discussions on the digital divide and the future of media led by BusinessWeek’s John Byrne in our last #editorchat, Tim and I decided to keep that conversation going in a multi-part series. A Pew study indicates that writers of online content are more optimistic than their print peers. So, if we ride that optimism and agree that the online realm is the wave of the publishing future, the next item up for discussion is: what are the necessary innovation(s) writers and editors must make to produce profitable business models.

The questions we have for this week are:

When creating online content, should writers have to become SEO experts, in order to craft stories that can be searchable to gain readership?

Editors: How important are embedded links in stories? Do you encourage links to other sites or only back to your own content?

The most successful online publishing is community-oriented, which is by nature, more conversational. Writers and editors, how informal can your stories be? Are first person accounts really that engaging?

What innovations have you seen work? What hasn’t?

Editors: Are you getting pressure from your publishers to be more innovative with information gathering, presentation, and style?

As always, we welcome additions to this list. Please post them as a comment and if we don’t get to it this week, we’ll pick it up next time.

Written by LydiaBreakfast

April 1, 2009 at 4:12 pm