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[20:30:11] milehighfool: And we’re live. Please introduce yourself when you join. #editorchat

[20:30:25] joecortez: @LydiaBreakfast I think I’ll be in good company then! πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[20:30:41] LydiaBreakfast: @wordful hey there, what time is it in your neck of the woods/ocean πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:30:56] JDEbberly: @BeckyDMBR Editorchat’ll be starting in under a minute, Becky! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:31:23] LydiaBreakfast: An official welcome from your co-moderator Lydia Dishman, freelance business journalist, also covering travel, food and style #editorchat

[20:31:30] wordful: Charles here of wordful.com in Kamuela, Hawaii. Aloha! @LydiaBreakfast it’s 2:30 pm. #editorchat

[20:32:15] joecortez: Hi Everyone! I’m a journalist turned freelance writer looking to learn about this crazy business from other great freelancers! #editorchat

[20:32:20] JDEbberly: Hello all! I’m JD Ebberly from North VA. I write pieces about blogging and New Media #editorchat

[20:32:21] milehighfool: Let’s get to the rules. No 1. Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:32:39] jennipps: Hi, everyone! Jen, fl writer in south Oklahoma, specializing in writing/creativity, plus-size issues, & (soon) health. #editorchat

[20:32:56] jennipps: Missed everyone last week! #editorchat

[20:33:09] milehighfool: And your other co-moderator, Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor now also blogging at Quicken.com #editorchat

[20:33:43] milehighfool: Rule No. 2. Stay on topic #editorchat

[20:34:10] wordful: I have an interest in niche content publishing and blogging. I’ve been an editor for 11 years, offline and online. #editorchat

[20:34:33] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. MaÒ€ℒam.) #editorchat

[20:34:34] SuziSteffen: Yes! Home & organized enough to participate in #editorchat! Off to Tweetchat. If you don’t want to read these posts, use TwitterSnooze.com.

[20:34:40] JDEbberly: Tim Beyers ( @milehighfool ) now blogging at http://quicken.com #editorchat

[20:34:54] RBLevin: @milehighfool Hey congrats on the Quicken gig. When did that start? #editorchat

[20:35:09] mariaelenaduron: Hi all! Maria here…editor, columnist, blogger and work with both online + offline pubs. #editorchat

[20:35:13] littlebrownpen: Hi everyone. I’m Nichole Robertson, freelance writer and Copy Director for a European skin care brand #editorchat

[20:35:14] Colgo: Dropping in on #editorchat … hi everyone – Paul here, an online editor in Sydney

[20:35:17] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen Yay, glad you could make it! #editorchat

[20:35:24] KBordessa: Hi. Kris Bordessa, travel and parenting freelancer for national magazines. Trying to keep up & cook dinner @ same time. #editorchat

[20:35:39] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:35:43] LydiaBreakfast: @Colgo Hey Paul, many thanks for joining #editorchat

[20:35:54] sooutdoors: Good evening all, Lloyd here from Southern Ontario OUtdoors. Writer and Past President of Outdoor Writers of Canada #editorchat

[20:35:59] mhertz: Hey everyone. Freelance writer/editor/copy editor in San Francisco Bay Area, working in a variety of industries. #editorchat

[20:36:02] milehighfool: @RBLevin Hey Rich. Started today. I’ll post a link later. #editorchat

[20:36:02] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Hey Nichole, we missed you last time #editorchat

[20:36:19] jesshatchigan: H’lo, all – Jess, writer based in Ann Arbor, MI. #editorchat

[20:36:21] LydiaBreakfast: @KBordessa Thanks for joining, cook us some too pls πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:36:38] jennipps: @milehighfool woohoo!! COngrats! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:36:44] LydiaBreakfast: @mhertz welcome πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:36:45] travelinggal: Hello, hello. Apryl Thomas, freelance writer/travel blogger in northeast Georgia. Just trying to keep it all together. #editorchat

[20:36:52] LydiaBreakfast: @jesshatchigan Hey Jess, thanks for coming πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:36:53] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen Welcome back, Nichole. In Paris today, or New York? #editorchat

[20:37:06] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Lloyd, always a pleasure πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:37:07] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast I missed editorchat when I was in NYC two weeks ago. I shook from the withdraw. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:37:14] mhertz: And, sorry, my name is Marc Hertz. #editorchat

[20:37:24] LydiaBreakfast: @travelinggal Hello Apryl, welcome πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:37:29] milehighfool: @travelinggal Hello Apryl. Glad you could join us. #editorchat

[20:37:34] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool LOL. In PA at the moment. Will be in Paris again in June. Tough life I have, huh? #editorchat

[20:37:40] jennipps: @travelinggal Sometimes trying to keep it all together is like two full-time jobs in one. #editorchat

[20:37:45] carlazanoni: Hi there. I’m a bilingual freelance journalist living in New York City. #editorchat

[20:37:55] milehighfool: @jennipps Thanks, Jen. It’s a nice win for me. #editorchat

[20:38:03] jg_rat: John Grey, editor of couriermail,.com.au #editorchat

[20:38:04] travelinggal: @littlebrownpen lucky you #editorchat

[20:38:06] LydiaBreakfast: Sorry if I missed personally greeting anyone #editorchat

[20:38:06] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:10] SuziSteffen: Hey all. Suzi here, arts & special sections editor for Eugene, Ore alt-weekly, freelancer & j-school adjunct. #editorchat

[20:38:24] jennipps: @littlebrownpen Can I hide away in your suitcase and go too? I went to Paris in 1998 and would *love* to go back! #editorchat

[20:38:27] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen Seriously πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:38:34] travelinggal: @jennipps it doesn’t help that I was gone last week to a conference. My brain has been mushy all this week. #editorchat

[20:38:40] kwagg: sorry joining late … Kristen editor at small community paper in KC area #editorchat

[20:38:53] mhertz: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for the welcome! #editorchat

[20:39:08] littlebrownpen: @jennipps Sure. I travel very light, so you’d fit right in. #editorchat

[20:39:13] LydiaBreakfast: @kwagg not late, we are just getting started, welcome #editorchat

[20:39:34] milehighfool: Welcome everyone. Should be a great chat tonight. Seems like the new time works well? #editorchat

[20:39:42] KBordessa: @travelinggal I’d take conference fuzz to flu fuzz any day! Blech #editorchat

[20:39:48] jennipps: @travelinggal I don’t have that excuse. My brain was just mushy in general last week. *s* #editorchat

[20:39:53] kwagg: @LydiaBreakfast thanks, first time joining in, actually. #editorchat

[20:40:02] jennipps: @littlebrownpen Oooohhh, tempting. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:40:21] travelinggal: @KBordessa bless your heart! Are you feeling any better? #editorchat

[20:40:37] JDEbberly: @KBordessa Yeah KB, I know all about that flu fuzz. This strain makes you all weak. Ugh. #editorchat

[20:40:38] LydiaBreakfast: Ok tweeps we are going to jump in to the questions, please refer to the Q# so we all know what you are referring to #editorchat

[20:40:56] jennipps: @milehighfool Great for me! I’d been kind of scrambling to make 7:00. Tonight was impossible and I thought I was super late. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:41:07] Sirjohn_writer: #editorchat new to this chat, but write international articles. It is good to meet everyone for the first time.

[20:41:16] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Please refer to the Q# so we all know what you are referring to #editorchat

[20:41:25] KBordessa: @travelinggal Oh, you southern girl! πŸ˜‰ Yes, on the mend, catching up. #editorchat

[20:41:31] travelinggal: @Sirjohn_writer welcome #editorchat

[20:41:35] wordful: @milehighfool I like the old time better. #editorchat

[20:41:40] LydiaBreakfast: Q 1 Innovation is often good, + may help save the publishing industry from itself. But is all innovation good, or necessary? #editorchat

[20:41:51] milehighfool: @Sirjohn_writer Glad you could make it, sir. Welcome. #editorchat

[20:41:53] JDEbberly: @Sirjohn_writer Welcome to Editorchat, SirJohn! You are definitely welcome here! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:42:00] jg_rat: Currently wrestling with legal issues – a harsh suppression order in another AU state is causing us grief (and fear of contempt) #editorchat

[20:42:03] jennipps: RT @LydiaBreakfast Please refer to the Q# so we all know what you are referring to. #editorchat

[20:42:17] travelinggal: @KBordessa It is that obvious? Next, I’ll be showing up on your doorstep with homemade chicken soup. #editorchat

[20:42:36] LydiaBreakfast: @jg_rat legal issues over innovation, or something else? #editorchat

[20:42:42] kwagg: Q1 innovation is good, but still using the basics is necessary. writing skills, understanding of news, etc. #editorchat

[20:42:52] jennipps: Q1 – If you strive for innovation just for the sake of innovation, you’re doing it for the wrong reasons. #editorchat

[20:43:35] milehighfool: @kwagg Agreed. But what about format innovations. Example: Should we be writing for the super-small screen? (iPhone, etc.) #editorchat

[20:43:48] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Good point. Innovation for innovation sake, not the point. #editorchat

[20:43:48] jennipps: Q1 – and innovation for the sake of innovation is not good and can complicate/break what worked beforehand. #editorchat

[20:43:51] jg_rat: @LydiaBreakfast Supreme Court has made wide suppression order that makes 100s of archived online stories dangerous #editorchat

[20:43:53] sooutdoors: Q1 I wouldn’t necessarily sat innovation itself is necessarily always good but it is necessary. Stagnate and die. #editorchat

[20:43:56] gmarkham: Hi. Mark Hamilton, journalism instructor and former editor. #editorchat

[20:43:57] a2editor: Hello, editorchat. Looking forward to the conversation on innovation tonight. #editorchat

[20:44:02] SuziSteffen: Q1 I think the editorial meeting in East Bay Express’ “Saving Newspapers” video says a lot abt innovation: http://is.gd/qlfZ #editorchat

[20:44:15] JDEbberly: Q1 Innovations for the small iPhone screen are in order #editorchat

[20:44:15] wordful: There’s nothing uncommon about evolving technology, but writers/editors/publishers still need to focus on content and audience. #editorchat

[20:44:16] mariaelenaduron: Q1: Some innovation gets in the way+can even make UR pub cloudy + difficult 2 read. I agree w/@jennipps, must fulfill real need. #editorchat

[20:44:19] LydiaBreakfast: @a2editor Hey there, we missed you πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:44:29] jennipps: @milehighfool I think there are/will be people who can write for super small screen, but I doubt I’m among them. *s* #editorchat

[20:44:30] jg_rat: Q1 It’s all about storytelling, isn’t it? #editorchat

[20:44:52] milehighfool: Mark, Laura, glad you could make it. Your take on publishing innovation? How necessary is it? #editorchat

[20:44:56] kwagg: @milehighfool IMO keeping that in mind is important but you can’t forget the basics in the process diminshs product otherwise #editorchat

[20:45:02] SuziSteffen: I also think it’s hard to know what “innovations” will work, so we’re all trying everything that we can. #editorchat

[20:45:04] a2editor: @LydiaBreakfast Hi, thanks. Missed my editorchat tweeps last week. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:45:05] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps don’t you think twitter’s 140 char. limitation helps that? #editorchat

[20:45:06] wordful: @mariaelenaduron good point #editorchat

[20:45:11] spencerspellman: Not as much Twittering today, busy busy. Sad that I’m missing #editorchat

[20:45:11] mhertz: Q1 @milehighfool I suppose a writer just need to know what medium he/she is writing for and adjust accordingly #editorchat

[20:45:12] carlazanoni: Q1 I always thought the basics were more important than innovative tools, now finding so many eds are interested in the latter. #editorchat

[20:45:54] shortformblog: Q1: If you’re not innovating, you’re not thinking. Simple as that. I think you’d have to be crazy to not think forward. #editorchat

[20:46:00] milehighfool: @SuziSteffen Hey Suzi. Assuming we don’t have time to watch now, what’s the takeaway? #editorchat

[20:46:05] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen Do you think that can lead to a mash of not-very-usable content? #editorchat

[20:46:11] mariaelenaduron: RT @wordful There’s nothing uncommon bout evolving technology,but writers/editors/publishers need 2 focus on content+audience #editorchat

[20:46:22] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast It definitely does. So in that light, I might be among the small-screen format writers eventually, but not yet. #editorchat

[20:46:24] SpecialDee: Special Sections editor http://www.sunjournal.com Maine newspaper, joining the convo. #editorchat

[20:46:27] a2editor: @milehighfool I think innovation is necessary (and inevitable), but can create messes in times of transition. #editorchat

[20:46:28] shortformblog: Q1: But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be a good editor of what innovations make most sense. #editorchat

[20:46:30] joecortez: Q1: Innovation is only innovation when it actually serves a purpose that will improve the industry. Otherwise, its just clutter. #editorchat

[20:46:36] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast Hope #editorchat goes well. Sad I’m missing it. BTW, I’ve got to give you props for the Firefly Tea comment, could use one

[20:46:37] jg_rat: @mhertz @milehighfool Q1But writers should be writing for multiple platforms? #editorchat

[20:46:47] jennipps: @spencerspellman Darn! We’ll miss you. #editorchat

[20:46:48] milehighfool: @mhertz I think this is possibly the biggest issue, and what may be behind the devaluing of Web content. #editorchat

[20:46:59] bob_bobala: Q1 Innovate or die. I don’t think there’s a choice. (Sorry, still working here on the West Coast.) #editorchat

[20:47:04] Shelbow: Hi #editorchat. I’m Shelly, a Web content consultant and former book editor in San Diego.

[20:47:04] JDEbberly: @SpecialDee Welcome to Editorchat, Dee! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:47:06] mariaelenaduron: @SuziSteffen LOL!! Am watching the video right now – thanks! #editorchat

[20:47:19] milehighfool: RT @joecortez: Q1: Innovation is only innovation when it actually serves a purpose that will improve the industry. #editorchat

[20:47:26] carlazanoni: @a2editor Completely agree about the mess it can make. #editorchat

[20:47:29] LydiaBreakfast: @spencerspellman hee hee, I am still waiting for my tumbler πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:47:33] SuziSteffen: @LydiaBreakfast Not really. Online, people will read/watch/listen to what’s interesting and filter out the rest. Print=diff tho. #editorchat

[20:47:38] shortformblog: BTW, came in a little late. Ernie Smith, designer, Wash. Post Express, creator of ShortFormBlog (http://shortformblog.com/) #editorchat

[20:47:48] jennipps: RT @shortformblog Q1: If you’re not innovating, you’re not thinking. Simple as that. I think you’d be crazy to not think fwd #editorchat

[20:47:59] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala Hey Bob, thanks for joining (at work!) #editorchat

[20:48:02] littlebrownpen: Q1 – Innovation without value is noise. #editorchat

[20:48:11] mhertz: Q1 I suppose the problem these days may be the speed of innovation and trying to keep up with them all. #editorchat

[20:48:11] JDEbberly: RT @joecortez: Q1: Innovation is only innovation when it actually serves a purpose that will improve the industry. #editorchat

[20:48:36] jg_rat: @SuziSteffen Q1 Don’t you think readers filter when they read paper? #editorchat

[20:48:41] sooutdoors: RT @littlebrownpen: Q1 – Innovation without value is noise. #editorchat

[20:48:43] bob_bobala: @carlazanoni The mess can be good… isn’t twitter just a big mess?! #editorchat

[20:48:46] jennipps: Agreed! RT @littlebrownpen Q1 – Innovation without value is noise. #editorchat

[20:48:56] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Hey Bob. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:48:59] Shelbow: @bob_bobala what are you doing at #editorchat on tax day?? ~Shelly

[20:49:06] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Glad to be here! #editorchat

[20:49:09] SuziSteffen: Q1 Yes. Students and recent grads tell me they need to learn coding. Wish I had time for all of that +, you know, work. #editorchat

[20:49:12] jg_rat: @mhertz Q1 Re keeping up, I am in constant state of future fatigue #editorchat

[20:49:13] jennipps: @mhertz And differentiating between the wheat and the chaff. #editorchat

[20:49:21] jenwillis: Apologies for my tardiness. I’m having connection/processor sluggishness. #editorchat

[20:49:26] mariaelenaduron: RT @littlebrownpen Q1 – Innovation without value is noise. <Amen!> #editorchat

[20:49:31] Colgo: Q1 Must say I agree with @bob_bobala who said: Innovate or die. I don’t think there’s a choice. #editorchat

[20:49:40] LydiaBreakfast: @jg_rat They might skip sections not of interest to them, but the line between editorial and ads might make it difficult #editorchat

[20:49:50] milehighfool: Q1 So if we agree that innovation without value is noise, how do we add value? #editorchat

[20:49:59] JDEbberly: RT @mhertz: Q1 I suppose the problem these days may be the speed of innovation and trying to keep up with them all. #editorchat

[20:50:02] jennipps: @Colgo But don’t you think there’s still a line of when innovation becomes cumbersome? #editorchat

[20:50:05] LydiaBreakfast: @jenwillis no problem, jump in as you can #editorchat

[20:50:10] SuziSteffen: @jennipps But how will you know, in advance, what innovation is noise and what is value? Or what @milehighfool said. #editorchat

[20:50:20] RBLevin: @wordful They also need to expand skill sets beyond word proc. Video, audio, design, lite coding are crucial skills for writers. #editorchat

[20:50:26] gmarkham: Q!: But there’s often no way to fully evaluate innovation until it’s been tried. #editorchat

[20:50:28] bob_bobala: @Shelbow Shelly, my job is done! I handed off to the TurboTax web team weeks ago. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:50:37] carlazanoni: @bob_bobala But if I find this hard to follow and I’m 34 and educ., how about the the afflicted we’re supposed to comfort? #editorchat

[20:50:43] mariaelenaduron: @Colgo I agree w/innovation 2 as long as it serves a purpose. If it takes away from content+ value of pub 2 audience, then why? #editorchat

[20:50:43] SuziSteffen: @jg_rat Of course we all filter when we read, but changing too much too fast in print can lead to Very Angry Readers. #editorchat

[20:50:43] milehighfool: Another example: Community. Isn’t it what do you with, and how you engage with, the community that maters? #editorchat

[20:50:52] jennipps: @SuziSteffen THere’s the rub. lol. I don’t know. I think it’s a matter of personal preference/usability. #editorchat

[20:50:58] a2editor: Value is what it always was IMO: Inform, inspire, entertain. Just do it in new and more useful, convenient, creative ways. #editorchat

[20:51:03] marciamarcia: #editorchat

[20:51:11] timecommander: Innovation is only the start of technology. #editorchat

[20:51:16] jobsearchcoach: RT @JoeCortez: Q1: Innovation is only innovation when it serves purpose that will improve industry. Otherwise, its just clutter. #editorchat

[20:51:27] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Another example: Community. Isn’t it what do you with, and how you engage with, the community that maters? #editorchat

[20:51:28] SuziSteffen: Q1 But, @lydiabreakfast, I do want to keep that wall b/t ad and copy. Yipes otherwise. #editorchat

[20:51:35] bob_bobala: @SuziSteffen That’s interesting about the coding, Suzi. I work for TurboTax and would get more done if I could code. #editorchat

[20:51:37] jg_rat: @SuziSteffen People hate change. Peope love change. #editorchat

[20:51:41] SpecialDee: Q1: I can’t have conversations w/paper but can w/peeps, thus building of an online community in real time is good, but how to? #editorchat

[20:51:43] gmarkham: @joecortez do you have a definition for “improve the industry”? #editorchat

[20:51:49] Colgo: Q1 Modern platforms offer so much room for innovation that … all innovation is good – failures will result in good lessons #editorchat

[20:51:51] milehighfool: @RBLevin This is precisely my point. For writers, knowing the medium seems to be amost as important as knowing the content. #editorchat

[20:51:55] littlebrownpen: RT @a2editor Value is what it always was: Inform, inspire, entertain. Just do it in new and more useful, convenient, creative w #editorchat

[20:52:00] jennipps: RT @a2editor Value is what it always was: Inform, inspire, entertain. Just do it in new & more useful, convenient, creative ways #editorchat

[20:52:20] mariaelenaduron: @SuziSteffen Think U need 2 have feedback of real readers. It’s a mistake 4 any1 2 speak 4 their end user (customer) + assume. #editorchat

[20:52:21] jg_rat: @SpecialDee Q1 Social media may be part of the answer #editorchat

[20:52:26] milehighfool: @Colgo Interesting point. But only if you move fast to correct mistakes, yes? #editorchat

[20:52:29] wordful: @RBLevin yes as writers/editors we need to be mindful of innovation. no use stopping or fighting it…just focus on value #editorchat

[20:52:34] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala the question then becomes, how much are we required to do? #editorchat

[20:52:35] shortformblog: Let me dig it up, but I was just reading a story about Dallas laying off people they trained to innovate in video. Absurd. #editorchat

[20:52:35] bob_bobala: @carlazanoni Yeah, it’s not easy. I’m not making that argument. #editorchat

[20:53:00] RBLevin: @milehighfool Always has been. Only today, the medium is much more complex than a page. #editorchat

[20:53:02] jesshatchigan: @gmarkham Q1 Trial and error is part of innovation. The chaff falls by the wayside. #editorchat

[20:53:05] shortformblog: What the DMN did, that’s not useful innovation. Do not train people in innovative things only to lay them off. #editorchat

[20:53:19] joecortez: Q1: @milehighfool We add value in improving content: using technology to make what we write more interactive; more insightful. #editorchat

[20:53:24] Shelbow: Q1 I’d say keep your eye on the objective — e.g. making something easier to accomplish or understand– then innovate. #editorchat

[20:53:40] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast How much innovation or technology work are we required to do? #editorchat

[20:53:51] wordful: @milehighfool that’s right! A 21st century editor needs to embrace innovation in order to thrive. #editorchat

[20:53:55] kwagg: RT @Shelbow Q1 I’d say keep your eye on the objective — e.g. making something easier to accomplish or understand– then innovat #editorchat

[20:53:58] SuziSteffen: @LydiaBreakfast Q1 About how much we’re required to do, absolutely! #editorchat

[20:54:02] Colgo: @jennipps I think the editor’s role as a manager should be to provide a platform for agile innovation #editorchat

[20:54:17] bob_bobala: @Shelbow Q1 yes, that’s always job #1. #editorchat

[20:54:17] milehighfool: @jesshatchigan Does the chaff always fall away? I’m not so sure. if it were so, wouldn’t newspapers have figured out online? #editorchat

[20:54:19] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala tech work, I mean, should I go and take classes on CSS and HML #editorchat

[20:54:36] earleyedition: Watching a bit of #editorchat stream. Check it out if you’re into online journ issues

[20:54:45] SpecialDee: Q1 Innovation: How do you feel about online communities following specific bylines? #editorchat

[20:54:57] LydiaBreakfast: I meant HTML #editorchat

[20:55:00] jennipps: @milehighfool True. I think the ones that pay attention, even a little bit, would have. #editorchat

[20:55:01] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: tech work, I mean, should I go and take classes on CSS and HML #editorchat

[20:55:24] jesshatchigan: Q1 Good writers have been innovating since we began scratching symbols on cave walls. #editorchat

[20:55:25] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast I think it depends how much you need a job and how versatile you want to be. #editorchat

[20:55:25] Colgo: @mariaelenaduron Sure, but I think you have to have room to think laterally about what the content is and what audiences want #editorchat

[20:55:32] jennipps: @Colgo Which would make things easier for people on both sides of the desk, I assume? #editorchat

[20:55:33] continuum_q5: RT @timecommander: Innovation is only the start of technology. #editorchat the Tech effect now with the human element

[20:55:34] joecortez: @gmarkham Innovation = tools that make us more efficient or our jobs better, or adds more value to the content we put together. #editorchat

[20:55:34] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee writers becoming brands is all part of the innovation equation #editorchat

[20:55:37] dodgemedlin: @shortformblog Spokane S-R has had issues like that too. Their video dept. was going great guns for a while, but no more. #editorchat

[20:55:38] leanneclc: Time to discount “the medium is the message” will pay for good, in depth, smart content either in writing, online, TV, or radio. #editorchat

[20:55:45] JDEbberly: RT @wordful: @milehighfool that’s right! A 21st century editor needs to embrace innovation in order to thrive. #editorchat

[20:55:56] wordful: @milehighfool no need for CSS and HTML classes….just go to the people who specialize in it. #editorchat

[20:56:13] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast HTML I can do. CSS is Greek to me. I can’t make heads nor tails of it. I think a class is in order for me. #editorchat

[20:56:16] littlebrownpen: Very often wheat and chaff duke it out … #editorchat

[20:56:21] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Everything else being equal, that is. #editorchat

[20:56:33] Sirjohn_writer: #editorchat with the advancement of the computer translators it still amazes me that my articles can be recopied without guilt

[20:56:37] gmarkham: @jesshatchigan exactly. fear of failure is too ingrained in media culture; limits innovative attempts #editorchat

[20:57:01] wordful: We need to know what technology and innovation is needed but we don’t need to know how it works. #editorchat

[20:57:09] Shelbow: Speaking of innovation, have you all seen SDNN.com? They’re working hard at innovating the news industry. #editorchat

[20:57:09] milehighfool: Back to the Dark Side. Is the failure of newspapers to monetize online a failure of innovation? #editorchat

[20:57:12] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat You don’t need to become an expert but some basic knowledge is certainly helpful these days.

[20:57:15] jennipps: @gmarkham And thus almost ensuring failure. #editorchat

[20:57:39] gmarkham: @JoeCortez thanks #editorchat

[20:57:59] mariaelenaduron: @Colgo Agreed! Think we need 2 B mindful that innovation doesn’t = quality.Might have 2 wait 4 more innovation, 2 get quality. #editorchat

[20:58:01] jesshatchigan: @milehighfool, in what sense? How to make a business equation of online? #editorchat

[20:58:03] mhertz: Does innovation when it comes to newspapers thus mean going online and stuffing it with ads and/or charging users? #editorchat

[20:58:03] mikhailg: @littlebrownpen I thought editors separate the wheat from the chaff and then print the chaff. #editorchat

[20:58:03] bob_bobala: Q1 If talent was equal, I would hire someone with HTML, etc. skills over someone without them. #editorchat

[20:58:05] leanneclc: How can we be debating innovation? Some of the most successful media is very simple – Charlie Rose, NPR Radio, New Yorker…#editorchat

[20:58:13] SpecialDee: @jakrose Newspaper people: let your fans spread your bylined stories, create community http://is.gd/s8l6 #editorchat

[20:58:16] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen And doesn’t chaff sometimes win? #editorchat

[20:58:18] wordful: Dark Side: newspapers are too journalistic. They need to be more personal and community minded. Look at HuffPo. #editorchat

[20:58:24] jennipps: @milehighfool Not necessarily. Some have tried to go online and still not made it. #editorchat

[20:58:29] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala I’m starting class tomorrow πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:58:42] SuziSteffen: @milehighfool Re innovation: I don’t know. Even if so, is it writer/editors at fault? We don’t sell the ads or design the web. #editorchat

[20:58:43] sooutdoors: @milehighfool I would absolutely agree with that statement. Many are now addressing issues that needed attention years ago. #editorchat

[20:58:50] jennipps: @leanneclc BUt even in their simplicity, they still make use of some technological advancements/innovations. #editorchat

[20:58:58] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool I’ve thought about this often. I think it is a failure, sadly. #editorchat

[20:59:10] SpecialDee: @briansolis Nice job re Statusphere & friends of friends http://is.gd/n85u #editorchat

[20:59:23] dodgemedlin: @mhertz Charging users is not innovation. #editorchat

[20:59:25] wordful: @Shelbow yes, I agree. Perhaps I’m getting innovation mixed up w/technology…? #editorchat

[20:59:33] littlebrownpen: @mikhailg Very true. #editorchat

[20:59:39] milehighfool: @jesshatchigan Right. Surely the Web is a phenomenal distribution mechanism. For newspapers, it has zero value. #editorchat

[20:59:41] rosefox: Joining late–hi all. I’m a book reviews editor at Publishers Weekly and a freelance medical journalist. #editorchat

[20:59:52] LydiaBreakfast: @leanneclc True there are some “old skool” that work, but the majority of the publishing business is trying to find a new model #editorchat

[20:59:54] JDEbberly: SDNN San Diego News Network http://www.sdnn.com/ #editorchat

[20:59:56] leanneclc: @jennipps Agreed but not at the expense of content…great content first, innovation if it makes sense, not for innovations sake #editorchat

[21:00:09] carlazanoni: @wordful What does that mean too journalistic? #editorchat

[21:00:32] jennipps: @leanneclc I most certainly agree! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:00:32] jg_rat: @wordful Q1 Tech can enable innovation – sometimes it forces it #editorchat

[21:00:59] milehighfool: @SuziSteffen Good point. Maybe the follow-up is, as writers nd editors, how do we shape innovation in a biz context? #editorchat

[21:01:07] LydiaBreakfast: It would be helpful to clarify innovation is a new way of reporting news, creating features, providing web content #editorchat

[21:01:13] bob_bobala: @SuziSteffen At least with what we’re doing here at Intuit, the writers are intimately involved in design. #editorchat

[21:01:13] gmarkham: I’m not sure anyone could have seen how the combination of disruption and recession would slay the business model. #editorchat (1/2)

[21:01:23] SpecialDee: Journalists with followings, good read @techcrunch http://is.gd/rVOS #editorchat

[21:01:26] BaileyMcC: The content can be fabulous, but if no one sees it b/c of lack of innovation, the bad content still wins #editorchat

[21:01:33] LydiaBreakfast: Technology is what we use as a tool to help us do those things. Not the same as innovation #editorchat

[21:01:38] timecommander: How can a newspaper company monetize? Guest posters? #editorchat

[21:01:42] gmarkham: sorry, there is no (2/2) #editorchat

[21:01:45] rosefox: @milehighfool #editorchat Newspapers’ and magazines’ only “failure” is not yet knowing what works. Everyone is scrambling right now.

[21:01:49] shortformblog: @leanneclc You know, if every news market owned their niche like those do, it’d be OK to stagnate. But most people don’t. #editorchat

[21:01:53] LydiaBreakfast: @rosefox Hello Rose, many thanks for joining us πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:01:57] Shelbow: RT @jg_rat: @wordful Q1 Tech can enable innovation – sometimes it forces it #editorchat SO True! That’s why I say #contentstrategy first!

[21:01:59] jesshatchigan: @milehighfool, what’s “caviar to the general” may be non-chaff that’s monetizable in non-mass markets? #editorchat

[21:02:07] leanneclc: @LydiaBreakfast I know but I think they are trying too hard and missing the point…consumers pay for content and still will #editorchat

[21:02:24] mariaelenaduron: RT LydiaBreakfast Technology is what we use as a tool to help us do those things. Not the same as innovation <Agreed!> #editorchat

[21:02:31] SuziSteffen: @bob_bobala That makes sense for online-only, but trad papers couldn’t foresee … er ditto @gmarkham. #editorchat

[21:02:49] IrisJumbe: @wordful can a newspaper ever be “too journalistic”? Papers have to pick a gear & not just stick with it, but excel. #editorchat

[21:02:49] wordful: @carlazanoni I mean to say not niche-focused, which is the way web content seems to be headed. #editorchat

[21:02:56] milehighfool: @jesshatchigan Agreed. One man’s what is another’s chaff, and so on. #editorchat

[21:03:01] ImFreckles: hello from Toronto. just checking in to see what the chatter is about tonight. #editorchat

[21:03:23] mhertz: @gmarkham. Agreed. It just seems like a perfect storm of bad news for the newspaper industry. #editorchat

[21:03:25] Colgo: @milehighfool Q1 I like the BBC line: Fall forward, fast – make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill failures. #editorchat

[21:03:33] carlazanoni: @Wordful Point taken. #editorchat

[21:03:37] leanneclc: @shortformblog Yeah, I know and I know there are a lot of niche pubs that are nice to have, but if there isn’t enough market….#editorchat

[21:03:38] BaileyMcC: Merely charging users for the same old thing isn’t innovation or even content strategy #editorchat

[21:03:47] rosefox: @leanneclc #editorchat Consumers are becoming more picky about when and why they pay for content. Providing better/targeted content is key.

[21:04:15] milehighfool: @rosefox Really? As much as that’s true right now I’m not sure either industry has experimented well. #editorchat

[21:04:54] milehighfool: @Colgo Right. This is a classic model for tech, Google especially. Fail small, win huge. The poker player’s motto. #editorchat

[21:05:09] JDEbberly: RT @rosefox: @leanneclc #editorchat Consumers are becoming more picky about when and why they pay for content. Providing better/targeted …

[21:05:11] marciamarcia: Joining #editorchat late. Realizing I could use the community of editors and writers 2nite more than thinking abt what I have yet to finish.

[21:05:43] Colgo: gotta go to a meeting, will catch up on the thread later #editorchat

[21:05:44] leanneclc: @rosefox I definitely agree, but those personal budgets are only going to stretch so far…some will lose, innovation or no #editorchat

[21:05:46] IrisJumbe: @BaileyMcC Agreed. Nor is charging them for content and services they can get for free elsewhere #editorchat

[21:05:47] milehighfool: @rosefox On this,w e agree. I like and have high hopes for the Newsweek model. Premium content deserves a premium price. #editorchat

[21:05:49] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia Thanks for joining/procrastinating with us πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:06:01] jennipps: @marciamarcia I’m trying to keep from thinking about what needs to be done/finished. #editorchat

[21:06:02] SuziSteffen: Good plan!RT @Colgo I like BBC line: Fall forward, fast – make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill failures. #editorchat

[21:06:16] bob_bobala: Q1 Is creativity innovation? Because with print dying and web content so competitive, the most creative will survive. #editorchat

[21:06:22] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool Agree. I happily pay for premium content. #editorchat

[21:06:23] rosefox: @milehighfool #editorchat I think we could refine our scrambling, yes, but a lot of improvements require capital that no one has right now.

[21:06:25] SpecialDee: Look at each department .RT @timecommander: How can a newspaper company monetize? Guest posters? #editorchat

[21:06:34] BaileyMcC: RT@Colgo Q1 I like the BBC line: Fall forward, fast, make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill fails. #editorchat

[21:06:40] SuziSteffen: Funny, I don’t believe that people will pay for content, but out of solidarity I subscribed to InDenverTimes. So hmmmm. #editorchat

[21:06:46] jg_rat: RT @Colgo: Q1 I like the BBC line: Fall forward fast, make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill failures [fast] #editorchat

[21:06:53] jennipps: @bob_bobala Sometimes creativity *can* be innovation, but not always. #editorchat

[21:06:57] BaileyMcC: @irisjumbe @irisjumbe exactly! #editorchat

[21:07:02] Hergett: @rosefox Isn’t that exactly what local newspapers have been touting? Does hyper-local not equal targeted? #editorchat

[21:07:05] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Absolutely it is, Content innovation I’d argue, is more important than tech innovation. In publishing at least. #editorchat

[21:07:16] leanneclc: @milehighfool @Rosefox – I’m in for premium content at a premium price. Hope there are enough of us! #editorchat

[21:07:29] JDEbberly: RT @Colgo: Q1 I like the BBC line: Fall forward fast, make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill failure #editorchat

[21:07:32] littlebrownpen: @SuziSteffen I think you are on to something with solidarity. It has to start somewhere. #editorchat

[21:07:42] jennipps: @SuziSteffen I actually think it’s been proven several times that people don’t pay for content more often than not. #editorchat

[21:08:07] bob_bobala: @marciamarcia Everybody’s taxes are done, right? If not, sorry for the plug, but you’d better head over to TurboTax.com #editorchat

[21:08:08] milehighfool: @rosefox In tech, certainly. But back to Bob’s point. Are we being as innovative with content as we can be? #editorchat

[21:08:17] marciamarcia: In the focus group work I’ve done, I’ve learned some people buy into concept of pay-for-content, others just don’t. #editorchat

[21:08:24] wordful: I believe people will pay for premium content but it has to be highly relevant to their needs and useful as well #editorchat

[21:08:36] ImFreckles: i think this idea about paying for content just means the content must be really good. people are getting harder to please #editorchat

[21:08:43] leanneclc: @Hergett My opinion – local newspapers = dumbed down news. That’s my problem with local…happy to pay for online news digest #editorchat

[21:08:54] LydiaBreakfast: I think we can agree that creativity, really knowing your audience, and crafting quality targeted content are innovations #editorchat

[21:08:57] jesshatchigan: @milehighfool, premium content and niche marketing are two avenues to monetize. #editorchat

[21:08:57] SuziSteffen: @jennipps I know! So I’m sort of laughing at my behavior/belief clash. I also pay for the ORegonian, the NYT and bunch o’ mags. #editorchat

[21:08:59] BaileyMcC: We have to get beyond the basic payments model, ppl will find what they want free enuf is out there, do more #editorchat

[21:09:10] littlebrownpen: @wordful Highly relevant is key. Niche content will attract more $$$ with that model. #editorchat

[21:09:13] mariaelenaduron: @wordful I agree. Am for paying for premium content, too. #editorchat

[21:09:28] LydiaBreakfast: Ready for Q2 Writers: How has technology or business innovation disrupted your process? Do you write more? Less? #editorchat

[21:09:34] bob_bobala: @milehighfool What’s becoming more and more intereting to me is how you meld content innovation with tech innovation. #editorchat

[21:09:50] wordful: @littlebrownpen exactly! Niche content is where all of this is headed. Newspapers are not niche content providers. #editorchat

[21:10:11] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Easy access to some things has disrupted my process. lol. I think I write more, for the most part. #editorchat

[21:10:13] milehighfool: @rosefox I should point out I’m not intending to point fingers at publishers so much as point out a fact: innovation is upon us. #editorchat

[21:10:13] mhertz: The problem is, as much as we writer/editors may be willing to pay for content, will the average reader? And in a down economy? #editorchat

[21:10:18] marciamarcia: If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:10:19] anndouglas: @ImFreckles You will love it. I just arrived a bit late myself, btw. Listening to get the gist of the convo. #editorchat

[21:10:28] rosefox: #editorchat What does “innovative with content” even mean? Is it possible to divorce content innovation and delivery/monetizing?

[21:10:29] bob_bobala: Q2 I write more. Absolutely more. Question is, is it more fulfilling? #editorchat

[21:10:29] ErikSherman: @marciamarcia Problem with asking people what they’d do is that it’s one of the least reliable types of market research. #editorchat

[21:10:42] BeckyDMBR: @JDEbberly I especially like “kill failure.” Sounds like old journo-speak to me. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:10:47] wordful: Q2: I’ve grown with the technology so I don’t really think of being without it. #editorchat

[21:10:53] jennipps: Oops. Forgot to put Q2 on that last response. RT Easy access to some things has disrupted my process. lol. I think I write more, #editorchat

[21:11:00] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Have to disagree on the technology one. It’s allowed for so much innovation that wouldn’t be possible otherwise.#editorchat

[21:11:08] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q2 Writers: How has technology or business innovation disrupted your process? Do you write more? Less? #editorchat

[21:11:10] IrisJumbe: @jennipps Yup. They might pay for exclusive content but how often is anything online ever really exclusive to a single site? #editorchat

[21:11:12] leanneclc: Absolutely! RT @LydiaBreakfast …creativity, really knowing your aud., & crafting quality targeted content are innovations #editorchat

[21:11:13] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala a catchy way to meld the two is to provide a mulitmedia approach to each story with links, visuals, audio and video #editorchat

[21:11:21] littlebrownpen: RT: @marciamarcia If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:11:28] jennipps: @bob_bobala It is for me because I actually write it and submit things instead of holding on to it forever. #editorchat

[21:11:37] SuziSteffen: Q2: What I like about online is that I can write more about what I want to (theater, viz arts, etc.) w/o space worries. #editorchat

[21:11:41] BeckyDMBR: @SuziSteffen Yeah, but, have we heard … did InDenverTimes get enough subscribers to continue? #editorchat

[21:12:10] wordful: Technology helps spread the writing so much faster and cheaper, so I do it more. #editorchat

[21:12:14] mariaelenaduron: Q2: I definitely write more. Learning curve time is distracting, ultimately valuable + provided access 2 new + good sources. #editorchat

[21:12:18] joecortez: Q2: Technology helps me gather more sources more efficiently. Can also be major distraction to productivity if I let it be. #editorchat

[21:12:21] jennipps: @IrisJumbe Exactly! Even if it is “exclusive” for one site, it can soon be spread to others by readers of the first site. #editorchat

[21:12:31] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR Great question, Becky. I’m not sure. I’ve had to wait for my CC statement to close before signing up. #editorchat

[21:12:33] BaileyMcC: Q2 I don’t think of tech as a disruption, its a way to enhance what I write and provide more to the audience #editorchat

[21:12:38] mhertz: Q2 Technology (read: the Internet) has disrupted my writing process because it’s an easy opportunity to be distracted #editorchat

[21:12:42] JenniferPerillo: Q2: tech innovation leaves me feeling overwhelmed with all the outlets that need “feeding”. #editorchat

[21:12:50] SuziSteffen: @BeckyDMBR I believe they’re deciding on April … 23 or something? I’ll go look. http://is.gd/sF0j #editorchat

[21:12:52] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast Q2: As a medical journalist, I am daily grateful for PubMed. Tech = searchable content = better easier research. #editorchat

[21:12:55] Hergett: @leanneclc Local sources need to evolve, yes, and may not have the expansive content, but are still valuable to communities. #editorchat

[21:12:58] jennipps: RT @wordful Technology helps spread the writing so much faster and cheaper, so I do it more. #editorchat

[21:12:59] leanneclc: @IrisJumbe I’m not sure I’d pay for exclusive…premium or higher quality, yes, exclusive…who cares except media types #editorchat

[21:13:04] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen You mean with blogging? Don’t some pubs limit blogging? #editorchat

[21:13:06] timecommander: Q2: Yes. Like I said earlier: as long as content is creative it will be fulfilling. #editorchat

[21:13:08] marciamarcia: @ErikSherman Most of my work has looked at what people have done, and why they did it. We hear,”No never pay for content.” #editorchat

[21:13:21] SuziSteffen: @JenniferPerillo Yes, true, and I feel guilty if I’m not posting on the blog/Twittering interesting links/getting photos etc. #editorchat

[21:13:23] Shelbow: There are lots of ways to “pay” for content … I think premium content doesn’t have to be supported by just one model. #editorchat

[21:13:24] mariaelenaduron: @SuziSteffen Too true! I do like not having to worry about space. #editorchat

[21:13:31] JDEbberly: Q2 Technological innovation helps me pull things together better for articles. #editorchat

[21:13:35] SuziSteffen: @LydiaBreakfast Probably, but mine doesn’t. #editorchat

[21:13:37] IrisJumbe: Q2 It hasn’t disrupted me but I’ve had 2 expand my process to factor in time 4 the time-consuming techie things I’m not good at. #editorchat

[21:13:38] bob_bobala: @jennipps Oooh, there’s a whole other conversation: submissions. How long do you wait on them, etc. @milehighfool will want in. #editorchat

[21:13:38] LydiaBreakfast: @rosefox what about your work with PW (I review books too, btw) #editorchat

[21:13:39] JenniferPerillo: @jodifur funny this is one of the questions on #editorchat! And I said the same thing.

[21:14:17] jennipps: @bob_bobala lol. Maybe that’s a convo better for another time, then? #editorchat

[21:14:18] JDEbberly: @SuziSteffen I just LOVE to post links to interesting topics on Twitter! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:14:21] milehighfool: Q2: Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer. Sources are easier to find. #editorchat

[21:14:27] littlebrownpen: Agree w/ @JenniferPerillo Q2: tech innovation leaves me feeling overwhelmed with all the outlets that need “feeding”. #editorchat

[21:14:46] jg_rat: Q2 Wish I had time to write. Too busy innovating :o) #editorchat

[21:14:48] jg_rat: Q2 Wish I had time to write. Too busy innovating :o) #editorchat

[21:14:48] ErikSherman: @marciamarcia When you think about it, why would they? Vast majority of sources are free anyway. #editorchat

[21:14:53] milehighfool: @milehighfool Yes, yes I do. #editorchat

[21:15:04] jennipps: @milehighfool True! And the adage to “write tight” gets put into practice daily and makes it easier in general. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:15:07] timecommander: RT milehighfool: Q2: Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer. Sources are easier to find. #editorchat

[21:15:20] bob_bobala: Q2 I’d like to think that technology hasn’t disrupted my writing life; it’s enhanced it. #editorchat

[21:15:21] IrisJumbe: @leanneclc Doesn’t it depend on the topic of the content? e.g. an exclusive interview w/ someone you found completely inspiring? #editorchat

[21:15:29] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat I hope we can accept ebook subs soon, because searchable text makes it easier to fact-check reviews.

[21:15:35] anndouglas: Q2 Concerned by something I heard today – some mega-bookstores want online video content for certain types book to stock title. #editorchat

[21:15:37] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Duh. Sorry about that last tweet. Yes, I do want in re: submissions. #editorchat

[21:15:38] JDEbberly: @bob_bobala We should suggest to @milehighfool to discuss submissions next week! Hint! Hint! to mods #editorchat

[21:15:55] jennipps: RT @milehighfool Q2: Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer. Sources are easier to find. #editorchat

[21:15:59] LydiaBreakfast: RT @IrisJumbe Q2 hasn’t disrupted me but had 2 expand my process to factor in time 4 the time-consuming tech I’m not good at #editorchat

[21:16:00] milehighfool: RT @jg_rat: Q2 Wish I had time to write. Too busy innovating :o0 #editorchat

[21:16:10] anndouglas: Realize that’s a book issue not a specifically journo issue but it speaks to all the extras being asked/demanded. #editorchat

[21:16:17] Hergett: Q2: It is much easier to find information/sources, but I have less time to process and reflect because of immediacy. #editorchat

[21:16:25] marciamarcia: @milehighfool Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer, too. Brilliant perspectives at our fingertips #editorchat

[21:16:31] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool Q2: Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer. Sources are easier to find. #editorchat

[21:16:42] jesshatchigan: Q@: Whose idea was it to combine word processing with the greatest distraction ever & the same keyboard? #editorchat

[21:16:43] DougLance: How much could I make with this? http://freelancefiction.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:16:47] bob_bobala: @milehighfool @jennips we’ll have to hook up on that at a later time for sure. #editorchat

[21:16:55] SuziSteffen: @JDEbberly I know you do! I read most of ’em. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:16:57] timecommander: The funny thing about Twitter is that due to innovation it will be way, way off the map in the near future. #editorchat

[21:17:01] jennipps: Twitter has helped me *loads* writing-wise (and source-wise, too). #editorchat

[21:17:05] milehighfool: @Hergett Immediacy as in deadline pressure? #editorchat

[21:17:30] Shelbow: Q2 Technology has facilitated my writing process — don’t know what I’d do without it! (And my roots are so old school.) #editorchat

[21:17:35] anndouglas: Generally, I’m very pro-technology. But if pub wants author to provide website full of videos, better be $ in contract #editorchat

[21:17:38] JDEbberly: RT @timecommander: The funny thing about Twitter is that due to innovation it will be way, way off the map in the near future. #editorchat

[21:17:41] jennipps: @bob_bobala @milehighfool Definitely! I’m looking forward to it. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:17:47] a2editor: @JenniferPerillo I can’t stand needing to feed the beast. That feeling guides me to do what I love, not what I “should” do. #editorchat

[21:17:48] rosefox: #editorchat Blogs have helped me connect with other writers/editors, and both get and assign freelance gigs with great success.

[21:17:48] ErikSherman: @anndouglas That’s a scary thought – hard enough to get publsihers to edit. So who pays for video production? #editorchat

[21:17:48] marciamarcia: @ErikSherman Amazed at how often publishers (and it seems writers) don’t seem to grok that w/o hearing firsthand. #editorchat

[21:18:12] JDEbberly: RT @rosefox: #editorchat Blogs have helped me connect with other writers/editors, and both get and assign freelance gigs with great success.

[21:18:13] bob_bobala: @milehighfool on finding sources on twitter, would definitely like you to elaborate on that at another time. #editorchat

[21:18:16] SuburbNews: @milehighfool Is #editorchat almost done? Just signing on and reading the dialog from the start…..

[21:18:25] jodifur: @JenniferPerillo what question? mac for word or too many blogs? #editorchat

[21:18:44] littlebrownpen: @rosefox Agree. It’s such a great way to connect. #editorchat

[21:18:56] ErikSherman: @marciamarcia They’re managing from wishful thinking, not from being in touch with reality. #editorchat

[21:18:56] LydiaBreakfast: @SuburbNews we go until 10pm EST #editorchat

[21:19:01] jesshatchigan: Q2 Twitter absolutely rocks my writing world – great contacts a Tweet away. #editorchat

[21:19:01] JDEbberly: @SuburbNews We still have about 40 minutes left in Editorchat #editorchat

[21:19:06] milehighfool: @rosefox Your own blogs or others? I have seen excellent bloggers have great success in publishing. #editorchat

[21:19:09] rosefox: @timecommander #editorchat What do you think will replace/supplant Twitter?

[21:19:25] sooutdoors: #editorchat Q2 the problem with technological innovation is that you can make a career out of learning and never apply anything.

[21:19:28] jennipps: RT @jesshatchigan Q2 Twitter absolutely rocks my writing world – great contacts a Tweet away. #editorchat

[21:19:29] JenniferPerillo: @jodifur too many blogs #editorchat

[21:19:33] wordful: I like that technology has made me feel so much more connected to everyone, which deeply affects my writing #editorchat

[21:19:45] Hergett: @milehighfool Deadlines I can handle-it is more the blogosphere and networking that demand ideas now. Writing as therapy suffers #editorchat

[21:19:47] LydiaBreakfast: Twitter has been invaluable for me for sources, and general info I might not have found on my own. Also HARO #editorchat

[21:20:02] joecortez: Q2: Tech innovation (i.e. Twitter) def. helps to bridge people & ideas together. The result is more complete content faster. #editorchat

[21:20:22] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool Me too. So many bloggers I know have book deals, columns in magazines, other paying blog gigs. #editorchat

[21:20:23] sooutdoors: So True RT @wordful: I like that technology has made me feel so much more connected to everyone, which deeply affects my writing #editorchat

[21:20:24] rosefox: @littlebrownpen #editorchat And a great way to see/share writing samples, albeit informal ones.

[21:20:24] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Kind of like knowing when to stop researching and start writing? #editorchat

[21:20:24] jennipps: @sooutdoors True. So the idea for me, then, is to learn enough that I can *begin* to apply it and then continue to learn as I go #editorchat

[21:20:27] milehighfool: @bob_bobala I’ll try now. The search mechanism on Twitter offers a great virew of thinking on a topic. (1/2) #editorchat

[21:20:32] timecommander: @rosefox Definitely something we’ve never heard of. And it won’t be a bad thing either. Change is embraced when it’s gradual. #editorchat

[21:20:36] bob_bobala: @Hergett isn’t blogging writing as therapy?! #editorchat

[21:20:36] JDEbberly: @rosefox I think utility glasses with an Internet connection will replace Twitter by 2013-2014 #editorchat

[21:21:09] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Tweeting for sources myself has also proven fruitful. Fact checking, surprisingly, hasn’t been too hard. (2/2) #editorchat

[21:21:09] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Agree Twitter has been great resource in researching recipes & leads. #editorchat

[21:21:09] LydiaBreakfast: Related Q 3 Editors: Has the Web and mobile Internet changed what you ask of your writers? Are you placing limits on them? #editorchat

[21:21:20] ErikSherman: @wordful I don’t feel that way – maybe because I’ve been around technology for way too long and used to it. #editorchat

[21:21:32] timecommander: @JDEbberly Hey, anything is possible1 #editorchat

[21:21:44] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast That’s where my learn-enough-to-start mo came into play. #editorchat

[21:21:45] milehighfool: RT @bob_bobala: @Hergett isn’t blogging writing as therapy?! #editorchat

[21:21:51] a2editor: @sooutdoors That’s true. I’m tired of tweets advising how to use Twitter, by people who do nothing but tell you how to use Twtr. #editorchat

[21:21:54] leanneclc: Q2 – Research is much easier w/google alerts. But writing is the same for me…gather info, outline, write (shut open windows) #editorchat

[21:21:58] bob_bobala: @milehighfool and i presume you’ve also made contacts that have lead to interviews. #editorchat

[21:22:03] shortformernie: Hey all, Ernie at @shortformblog here; was getting complaints about tweetchat clutter, so bug me here if you want to chat #editorchat

[21:22:18] jesshatchigan: @JenniferPerillo, on the too many blogs – yes. It’s overkill. #editorchat

[21:22:18] shortformernie: Also, feel free to add this account too. #editorchat

[21:22:19] timecommander: @JDEbberly Hey, anything is possible! #editorchat

[21:22:22] SuziSteffen: Q3 I’d like my writers to write for our blog and understand link-rich posts (yes, we link out of our site). But … #editorchat

[21:22:37] wordful: @ErikSherman I’ve been around it for so long, too. But for me it seems to make the world smaller and more intimate. #editorchat

[21:22:38] bob_bobala: @leanneclc yeah, you’ve got to keep the rain off your laptop. #editorchat

[21:22:43] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo I can’t say how many times I’ve made a dinner off of something I read on twitter πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:22:46] CMM_PR: RT @marciamarcia If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:22:46] a2editor: @sooutdoors …these people never actually take their own advice and USE Twitter. #editorchat

[21:22:57] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q 3 Editors: Has the Web, mobile Internet changed what you ask of writers? Are you placing limits on them? #editorchat

[21:22:57] konadad: Arriving late to #editorchat. How is everyone?

[21:23:16] ErikSherman: @wordful It certainly makes communication easier. #editorchat

[21:23:27] leanneclc: @a2editor ahhh twitter for twitter’s sake…let’s all become “social media consultants” I think the pay’s about the same #editorchat

[21:23:29] JDEbberly: RT @CMM_PR: RT @marciamarcia If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:23:31] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Can you expand on Q3? What do you mean by limits?

[21:23:39] LydiaBreakfast: @konadad swell thanks for joining #editorchat

[21:23:42] mariaelenaduron: @shortformernie I had 2 do the same thing.Was on a chat earlier 2day + 2 much noise 4 one day. MayB some1 will innovate solution #editorchat

[21:23:43] anndouglas: @JenniferPerillo That’s a very good point. I have to limit myself to specific blogs and specific SM. #editorchat

[21:23:47] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Absolutely. Twitter helps me engage where I hadn’t before. #editorchat

[21:23:53] joecortez: Web and wired culture has made editors expect more of me as a writer: because we r all connected, they want more content faster. #editorchat

[21:23:55] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Q3: No, not placing limits. All these technologies has made me ask more of writers. #editorchat

[21:24:01] wordful: @leanneclc that’s pretty funny…and true #editorchat

[21:24:02] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Twitter was my first stop for a kosher cooking question this week #editorchat

[21:24:14] continuum_q5: RT @timecommander: @JDEbberly Hey, anything is possible! #editorchat it’s all just a matter of time right?

[21:24:34] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @bob_bobala Absolutely. Twitter helps me engage where I hadn’t before. #editorchat

[21:24:35] a2editor: @leanneclc I’ve stopped following back anyone who calls themself a social media “expert” or “geek.” I can’t stand the advice. #edi

[21:24:41] shortformernie: @mariaelenaduron Yeah, multiple complaints. I had to do something. Sigh. #editorchat

[21:24:59] Hergett: @bob_bobala It can be, but when I write for me it’s usually old school pen and paper style… Not quite the same. #editorchat

[21:25:11] Mike_Evans_: what client are y’all using tto follow this chat #editorchat

[21:25:31] ErikSherman: @a2editor Doesn’t that just leave about three dozen people? #editorchat

[21:25:36] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Q3: To be a writer in the connected world, you need to be versatile. Can you write for the iphone, web, etc.? #editorchat

[21:25:38] anndouglas: @rosefox I love it too. My harddrive – not so much! .pdf overload! #editorchat

[21:25:45] Shelbow: Wouldn’t it be cool art if your Twitter feed was continuously projected on your wall? #editorchat

[21:25:47] jennipps: @a2editor Agreed. The only ones like that I follow back anymore are SEO peeps since I know little abt SEO, though I’m learning #editorchat

[21:25:56] ErikSherman: @Mike_Evans_ I’m trying TweetChat at the moment. #editorchat

[21:26:02] rosefox: @Mike_Evans_ #editorchat I’m just refreshing the twitter search page. There’s probably a more efficient way to do it…

[21:26:05] LydiaBreakfast: @Mike_Evans_ tweetgrid or tweetchat work #editorchat

[21:26:11] milehighfool: @rosefox One example: Are you asking for shorter articles to fit the medium? (Mobile, in this case.) #editorchat

[21:26:13] jennipps: @anndouglas Thanks for the reminder. I need to move my .pdfs to my external hard drive. #editorchat

[21:26:24] jg_rat: Out – have major breaking story #editorchat

[21:26:25] JDEbberly: @continuum_q5 Technological innovation will increase with time, which means that to keep up, we must optimize ourselves. #editorchat

[21:26:26] bob_bobala: @Hergett Ahh yes, the therapy of pen and paper. I gave that up a long time ago. No wonder I’m two sheets away from insane now. #editorchat

[21:26:30] dodgemedlin: @Mike_Evans_ I’m using Tweetchat. Works fine for me. #editorchat

[21:26:30] catekustanczy: RT @JDEbberly @milehighfool: @bob_bobala Twitter helps me engage -and connect, and learn, and expand -where I hadn’t before. #editorchat

[21:26:33] goodiesformom: @a2editor doesn’t it seem like everyone is a “social media expert” these days?? #editorchat

[21:26:38] marciamarcia: Only thing I ask differently from writers in the social media era is to not ignore the topic, pretend the tech isn’t there #editorchat

[21:26:43] littlebrownpen: @a2editor Agree. And enough with the I’m a guru/geek/expert etc. Ick. #editorchat

[21:26:49] BaileyMcC: @Mike_Evans_ TwitterFall, using only this hashtag #editorchat

[21:26:52] IrisJumbe: RT @a2editor:@leanneclc I’ve stopped following back anyone who calls themself a social media expert; I can’t stand the advice. #editorchat

[21:26:54] a2editor: @ErikSherman It’s not that bad. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:27:18] joecortez: @Mike_Evans_ Tweetgrid is a great tool to follow chats — its like Tweetdeck, except web based. #editorchat

[21:27:37] wordful: Great blog post by Skellie on “Social Media experts” http://tinyurl.com/cvc4pt #editorchat

[21:27:38] mhertz: Tweetchat. What a revelation… #editorchat

[21:27:40] shortformernie: Anyone who has 3,000 followers and the phrase “marketing expert” in their subject line doesn’t get followed back. No exceptions. #editorchat

[21:27:41] LydiaBreakfast: Related Q4 is creativity paying off in a business sense? #editorchat

[21:27:44] CMM_PR: Writers have to be multimedia pros, understand how to leverage numerous disparate SM channels & stay on topic. Challenging. #editorchat

[21:27:55] anndouglas: @leanneclc I think pay-for-content works when u can’t get content any other way. I pay for @mediabistro Otherwise, no. #editorchat

[21:27:59] milehighfool: @jg_rat Thanks for participating. #editorchat

[21:28:03] leanneclc: Q3 I think Twitter will be a help for mobile writing…short and attention getting. Has also helped with headline writing. #editorchat

[21:28:04] marciamarcia: @goodiesformom Outside this bubble, I don’t hear it much at all. Let’s not forget we’re still on the leading edge here. #editorchat

[21:28:09] littlebrownpen: @mhertz I know, right? It’s so 1999. #editorchat

[21:28:17] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast For me? It’s starting to. lol. #editorchat

[21:28:30] wordful: Great blog post by @skellie on “Social Media experts” http://tinyurl.com/cvc4pt #editorchat

[21:28:40] anndouglas: @leanneclc Just realized that’s what you were saying. Sorry for blanking out. #editorchat

[21:28:50] rosefox: @milehighfool #editorchat Ah. Not really, no. Book reviewing isn’t really affected by tech that way. #editorchat

[21:29:10] joecortez: Q4: Creativity always pays off in business: if I offer an angle or idea that someone else can’t, I’ll get business. No joke. #editorchat

[21:29:14] IrisJumbe: @mike_evans_ I’m trying out Nambu. Kinda buggy but a really clean interface #editorchat

[21:29:14] a2editor: @LydiaBreakfast Q4 I’m still waiting to see… #editorchat

[21:29:17] milehighfool: @shortformernie Especially if they followed 4,000 to get to 3,000. #editorchat

[21:29:24] jennipps: Q3 – Creativity paying off in a business sense – depends on the venue. Sometimes yes. Especially for sites like Twitter & Plurk. #editorchat

[21:29:26] LydiaBreakfast: If you missed it Q4 is creativity paying off in a business sense? #editorchat

[21:29:34] JenniferPerillo: Q4: More people are willing to compromise pay b/c they can work from home in PJs. That’s where the tech innovation becomes bad #editorchat

[21:29:48] leanneclc: @anndouglas no worries…it’s hard to keep up with this one…really some of the best content on twitter #editorchat

[21:29:49] amous: RT @JDEbberly: RT @CMM_PR: RT @marciamarcia If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:29:58] jennipps: Oops. Goofed again. Put Q3 instead of Q4. lol. #editorchat

[21:29:58] goodiesformom: @marciamarcia I get spam all the time from people telling me they are either social media or SEO experts. 😦 #editorchat

[21:30:12] SuziSteffen: Perfect RT @marciamarcia Only thing I ask diff from writers in social media era is to not ignore topic, pretend tech isn’t there #editorchat

[21:30:15] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo For the record, I get dressed (up) every day. Even if I am home all day. #editorchat

[21:30:19] JenniferPerillo: I am totally sucked into #editorchat and still have a pile of dinner dishes in the sink.

[21:30:34] milehighfool: Q4: I think writing for the Web — a platform that caters to innovation — has forced me to write better bursts of short content #editorchat

[21:30:54] shortformernie: @milehighfool Yep, you got it. πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[21:31:13] anndouglas: @ErikSherman Point I made to author who called me for advice. #editorchat

[21:31:16] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast Is creativity paying off ina business sense? Yes! Same old same ol gets you same ol same & who can afford that? #editorchat

[21:31:22] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Same here. Otherwise I feel more like lazing around instead of working. #editorchat

[21:31:28] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Q4: Sure. PW editors following #amazonfail on Twitter got a story and quote up before anyone else. #editorchat

[21:31:34] Mike_Evans_: Newby here . Can y’all send links to some of your writing, so I can learn from y’all? #editorchat

[21:31:37] jesshatchigan: RT @joecortez Q4:Creativity always pays off in business:if I offer an angle or idea that someone else can’t, I’ll get business #editorchat

[21:31:38] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo Dishes will be there after 10pm unfortunately no innovation can zap that #editorchat

[21:31:38] ErikSherman: Q4: I can often research more efficiently and have additional markets for my writing, so, yes, tech can pay. #editorchat

[21:31:39] leanneclc: @irisjumbe honestly, it depends on how good the interview is…not if it’s exclusive. I think exclusive is pretty elusive today #editorchat

[21:31:44] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Me too on getting dressed. Gotta set parameters but get the feeling many are that regimented. #editorchat

[21:31:48] joecortez: @JenniferPerillo Bad idea to sacrifice pay to work at home in PJ’s — getting face time with clients is the best thing I do! #editorchat

[21:31:52] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast People pay for creativity. Therefore it’s worth it in a business sense. #editorchat

[21:31:57] IrisJumbe: Q4 Creativity of concept can definitely pay off in this climate, more so than creative content. Everyone is looking 4 new ideas #editorchat

[21:32:01] shortformernie: I think I’m bolder in my creativity on the Web. I think further outside the box and am willing to say no less. #editorchat

[21:32:06] SuburbNews: #editorchat Soc media tools are building stronger relationships with readers, subscribers. But still such a small % of readers so worth it?

[21:32:10] jennipps: @JenniferPerillo I try to tell people it’s addictive. Some don’t believe me though. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:32:10] LydiaBreakfast: @Mike_Evans_ We do links at the end of the chat #editorchat

[21:32:14] milehighfool: Still on Q4: Have you had success trying innovations that have boosted revenue or your personal income? #editorchat

[21:32:20] SuziSteffen: @rosefox Yeah, and then the site crashed like CRAZY! Unintended consequences of Twitter linkage. #editorchat

[21:32:25] anndouglas: @jennipps Should do that, too. Can’t do much more research until I do! #editorchat

[21:32:29] littlebrownpen: @jennipps @LydiaBreakfast Okay, so it’s not cool to work on the bed in yoga pants? I missed that memo. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:32:35] shortformernie: There’s a lot more reasons to say no to something in print. #editorchat

[21:32:46] WarLordwrites: RT @Mike_Evans_: Newby here . Can y’all send links to some of your writing, so I can learn from y’all? #editorchat

[21:32:51] jennipps: RT @IrisJumbe Q4 Creativity of concept can definitely pay off in this climate, more so than creative content. #editorchat

[21:32:59] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Waiting for Rosie to become a reality from the Jetsons! #editorchat

[21:33:12] jennipps: @littlebrownpen If it works for you, go for it! πŸ™‚ Just doesn’t work for me. #editorchat

[21:33:19] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Ha ha ha #editorchat

[21:33:22] marciamarcia: @milehighfool No doubt the web has honed my writing and tightening skills. [Even this sentence started w/ more characters] #editorchat

[21:33:24] JDEbberly: RT @IrisJumbe Q4 Creativity of concept can definitely pay off in this climate, more so than creative content. #editorchat

[21:33:30] anndouglas: RT @jesshatchigan Whose idea was it to combine word processing with the greatest distraction ever & the same keyboard? #editorchat

[21:33:34] Sirjohn_writer: RT @ErikSherman: Q4: I can often research more efficiently and have additional markets for my writing, so, yes, tech can pay. #editorchat

[21:33:34] milehighfool: @shortformernie How so? In terms of a query? #editorchat

[21:33:36] CMM_PR: Brevity and speed are also demanded in the hypernews, ‘always on’, online medium. Brings the need for creativity. #editorchat

[21:33:41] timecommander: @milehighfool Every reader of my blog is a success to me because of the fact that I produce unique content. So my answer is yes. #editorchat

[21:33:44] leanneclc: @Hergett I have to disagree about them being valuable – they aren’t staying in business so the community doesn’t see the value #editorchat

[21:33:46] jesshatchigan: @littlebrownpen @jennipps @LydiaBreakfast, I thought the fuzzy slippers were a guaranteed perk. #editorchat

[21:33:51] Hergett: @SuburbNews But the % of readers following is growing. What is small now, may not always be so. #editorchat

[21:33:52] rosefox: @SuziSteffen #editorchat I blame @wilw! But even with the crash, a lot of people saw our site, saw our ads; we got good buzz. #editorchat

[21:33:59] shortformernie: Q4: Heck, I came up with my approach to ShortFormBlog because I didn’t have anyone besides myself to say no to. #editorchat

[21:34:31] continuum_q5: @JDEbberly and time will have to adapt #editorchat

[21:34:36] Sirjohn_writer: RT @JenniferPerillo: I am totally sucked into #editorchat and still have a pile of dinner dishes in the sink.

[21:34:39] mhertz: Q4 My greatest creativity has been somehow finding freelance assignments after being laid off late last year. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:34:46] jennipps: @jesshatchigan Don’t know about fuzzy slippers, but going around in socks w/o shoes definitely is in my book. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:34:49] Mike_Evans_: thx @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat

[21:35:00] JDEbberly: @KBordessa Thanks! I hope I am over this bug by next wednesday! #editorchat

[21:35:23] shortformernie: @milehighfool In print, you have limited space. Online, the only limits are your imagination and not angering readers. #editorchat

[21:35:50] SuziSteffen: Great discussions, as usual, y’all. Off to feed the kitten & make dinner (and, @JenniferPerillo, do *breakfast* dishes πŸ˜‰ ). #editorchat

[21:36:08] jennipps: @shortformernie And attention spans count as a limitation sometimes. #editorchat

[21:36:10] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Ha ha, I actually used to do that when I worked at Random House (along with a few others) #editorchat

[21:36:12] christopherhire: RT @jesshatchigan: Q@: Whose idea was it to combine word processing with the greatest distraction ever & the same keyboard? #editorchat

[21:36:21] a2editor: @shortformernie …and the reader’s attention span. Is that not a significant limit? #editorchat

[21:36:29] goodiesformom: @mhertz ok, I need to hook up with you because we are looking at possible layoffs #editorchat

[21:36:33] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen Thanks for joining us Suzi #editorchat

[21:36:35] ErikSherman: @mhertz Ah, finding freelance work – mostly a matter of putting enough time into the marketing grind. #editorchat

[21:36:43] jesshatchigan: Q4 There are only 26 letters in the alphabet. Put them together creatively and you’ve got the latest bestseller. #editorchat

[21:36:46] anndouglas: When I’m writing for print, I feel constrained because I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:36:58] IrisJumbe: @mhertz That’s great to hear:) I quit my job to go fulltime freelance a little over a year ago so have to think on my feet too. #editorchat

[21:37:06] shortformernie: @jennipps @a2editor No disagreement there. πŸ˜› #editorchat

[21:37:06] jennipps: @ErikSherman ANd the day job seriously interferes with that. *s* #editorchat

[21:37:21] hotspringer: Oddly, a big chunk of creativity goes into marketing freelance work. #editorchat

[21:37:24] KBordessa: @anndouglas Absolutely agree about not being able to hyperlink! #editorchat

[21:37:27] anndouglas: RT @jesshatchigan There are only 26 letters in the alphabet. Put them together creatively and you’ve got the latest bestseller. #editorchat

[21:37:30] CMM_PR: @shortformernie Don’t you find that you are also limited in time to post? Content can become outdated so quickly. #editorchat

[21:37:36] marciamarcia: @anndouglas Heck, I feel constrained when I *read* print that I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:37:37] SuburbNews: @Hergett I’m all for soc media, stronger connections, two-way dialog. Hope biz model comes to support innovations. #editorchat

[21:37:43] jennipps: RT @jesshatchigan Q4 There are only 26 letters in the alphabet. Put them together creatively & you’ve got the latest bestseller. #editorchat

[21:37:44] ErikSherman: @IrisJumbe I’ve been freelancing for 13 years and supporting my family – it’s possible. #editorchat

[21:37:53] goodiesformom: @shortformernie I love that online you can make a post as long or as short as you want. #editorchat

[21:37:55] timecommander: @anndouglas Another example of how the internet changed us completely and in every way. #editorchat

[21:37:57] milehighfool: @anndouglas Good point. Hyperlinking saves a lot of words for me. #editorchat

[21:38:00] mhertz: @goodiesformom I’ll do what I can, but I’m still looking for more work, believe you me. Never-ending process. #editorchat

[21:38:01] LydiaBreakfast: Q5 where is the line drawn between writer, editor and community? Is it really good for writers if community writes content too? #editorchat

[21:38:14] rosefox: @anndouglas #editorchat That frustrates me so much! I’ve started thinking in hyperlinks. Printed text is confining now. #editorchat

[21:38:15] anndouglas: @jesshatchigan Jess, that #quote belongs in an #anthology of #quotes for #writers. #editorchat

[21:38:17] ErikSherman: @jennipps There’s the difference – it *is* my day job. #editorchat

[21:38:27] bob_bobala: RT @jesshatchigan There are only 26 letters in the alphabet. Put them together creatively and you’ve got the latest bestseller. #editorchat

[21:38:31] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Outstanding! That’s great to hear. #editorchat

[21:38:34] a2editor: @CMM_PR Agreed. B/c I’m an editor (like to get things right) I struggle w/ posting in a timely manner and being proud of my wk. #editorchat

[21:38:36] mathewi: RT @anndouglas: When I’m writing for print, I feel constrained because I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:38:47] KatPowers: RT@marciamarcia @anndouglas Heck, I feel constrained when I *read* print that I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:38:47] jennipps: @ErikSherman I’m trying to get to a point where it is mine. Making progress, but I’m not there yet. #editorchat

[21:38:48] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast Hey when did you work @ RH? I was at Crown from 96-02. Ad/promo, not editorial. #editorchat

[21:38:56] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Q5 The line is getting fuzzier all the time. #editorchat

[21:38:57] ErikSherman: @anndouglas #oy #editorchat

[21:38:58] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Mine too, for the last nearly ten years πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:39:02] solotraveler: RT @hotspringer: Oddly, a big chunk of creativity goes into marketing freelance work. #editorchat. sure does!

[21:39:19] marciamarcia: @jesshatchigan These days, for a bestseller, you often need to speak those 26 letters creatively too. #editorchat

[21:39:28] wordful: Hyperlinks are the currency of the web. #editorchat

[21:39:33] JDEbberly: RT @solotraveler: RT @hotspringer: Oddly, a big chunk of creativity goes into marketing freelance work. #editorchat. sure does!

[21:39:34] LydiaBreakfast: @debbieharry Just missed you then, 87-95 (#old) #editorchat

[21:39:55] jennipps: Q5 – Depends on the atmosphere fostered in the community. Was a member of 1 where it wasn’t good. Now a member of 1 where it is. #editorchat

[21:39:56] milehighfool: Q5: Finally to the community question. it’s the one that really bothers me. As the line gets fuzzy, the writer becomes optional. #editorchat

[21:39:58] mhertz: Q5 Excellent question, because I’m about to possibly take a job where that line will definitely blur. It’s a challenge. #editorchat

[21:40:08] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Q5: My background is science fiction/fantasy, where the writer/reader/community line always blurs… #editorchat

[21:40:10] shortformernie: @CMM_PR That’s my biggest constraint with ShortFormBlog. So I understand. πŸ˜› #editorchat

[21:40:22] IrisJumbe: @LydiaBreakfast Lydia, are you asking if writers feel threatened by community writers? #editorchat

[21:40:27] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast One of the many meanings of life is for interaction between animals. #editorchat

[21:40:30] bob_bobala: Q5 I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:40:41] jesshatchigan: @anndouglas, thanks, Ann. You made my day (chat?) πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:40:48] a2editor: Q5 Community can produce great content, but the craft of the writing gets lost, and only the editors and writers notice. Sad. #editorchat

[21:40:48] jodifur: @JenniferPerillo oh yeah. Totally me #editorchat

[21:40:53] jennipps: RT @bob_bobala Q5 I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:40:57] Hergett: @SuburbNews If papers want to survive, they have to change how they connect with social media. And I’m all for survival! #editorchat

[21:40:59] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat …and I’m in favor of that blurring. More content means more need for editors and anthologists. #editorchat

[21:41:04] continuum_q5: RT @timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast One of the many meanings of life is for interaction between animals. #editorchat it all starts somewhere.

[21:41:10] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast Were you @ little random? We’ll have to play six degrees sometime. #editorchat

[21:41:17] gmarkham: @SuburbNews the efforts for small % of readers now will pay off as the mediascape continues to change. #editorchat

[21:41:23] bob_bobala: @milehighfool It’s not the writer becomes optional. It’s that everybody becomes a writer. #editorchat

[21:41:30] LydiaBreakfast: @rosefox very interesting, we have not explored this fully and may be a topic in an upcoming discussion #editorchat

[21:41:41] anndouglas: @jesshatchigan Happy to hear that, Jess. It was brilliant. Couldn’t let it go un-hashtagged! #editorchat

[21:41:44] timecommander: @jesshatchigan She is really right. It is quite the unforgettable quote. #editorchat

[21:42:03] sooutdoors: Q5 #editorchat this is a troublesome issue. I can see how editors can be seduced by community content, but I feel it’s short term thinking.

[21:42:05] mathewi: RT @bob_bobala: I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:42:10] mhertz: @rosefox More content also means, unfortunately, more reason for publishers to charge less for said content. #editorchat

[21:42:12] LydiaBreakfast: @debbieharry Special Markets (dealt with all the imprints including Childrens and Outlet) #editorchat

[21:42:12] JenniferPerillo: And so the gal from Brooklyn blabs but forgot to say hi. I’m food editor at Working Mother & a freelance recipe developer #editorchat.

[21:42:17] marciamarcia: @a2editor Persnickety readers (and we probably all have them), notice too. #editorchat

[21:42:25] Shelbow: RT @bob_bobala Q5 I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:42:31] ErikSherman: @bob_bobala When everyone writes, the business advantage, now as always, comes from doing it better than most competitors. #editorchat

[21:42:32] SuburbNews: @gmarkham That’s what I’m banking on (and my husb and kids πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:42:36] JDEbberly: RT @bob_bobala: I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:42:37] IrisJumbe: @ErikSherman That’s my belief, too, Erik. Always encouraging to have it reinforced by someone with a lot of experience πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:42:39] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat That would be great. I can go on about this for hours. *grin* #editorchat

[21:42:40] CMM_PR: Q5 Writers and editors are trained and adhere to Journalistic standards. But community is free form, w/o parameters – new. #editorchat

[21:42:40] bob_bobala: @a2editor I agree it’s harder, but good writers should stand out from the din. #editorchat

[21:42:43] timecommander: @mhertz More content means less quality content. #editorchat

[21:42:48] Hergett: @LydiaBreakfast We’re trying to find ways to integrate community bloggers/writers into our paper site. More voices=more readers. #editorchat

[21:42:50] Dramagirl: RT @jg_rat: Q2 Wish I had time to write. Too busy innovating :o) #editorchat

[21:42:51] goodiesformom: @jennipps it is so true that often only writers/editors notice the bad but great writers still shine #editorchat

[21:42:53] a2editor: Q5 Community writers have a great opportunity to break into writing. Tough to stand out, tho… #editorchat

[21:42:56] wordful: RT @bob_bobala Q5 I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:43:00] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Interesting point. @rosefox’s idea, too. More content means more need for experts. #editorchat

[21:43:02] mhertz: @rosefox I meant to say “pay” less for said content. #editorchat

[21:43:08] anndouglas: @rosefox Very similar blurring of lines in pregnancy/parenting community. I also love it. #editorchat

[21:43:21] jennipps: RT @ErikSherman @bob_bobala When everyone writes, the business advantage, now as always, comes from doing it better than most #editorchat

[21:43:22] SuburbNews: #editorchat Q5: if it leads to more engaged, connected comm – & as long as citizen journos don’t replace all but a few paid journos – yes!

[21:43:37] LydiaBreakfast: @rosefox we’ll definitely have to connect on this one then – I’ll DM you for more info #editorchat

[21:43:38] ErikSherman: Sorry, didn’t introduce myself – freelance writer ,working in print, online, on stage, on demand, on deadline #editorchat

[21:43:45] bob_bobala: @timecommander Well, more content means it’s harder to find quality content, but there could actually be MORE quality out there. #editorchat

[21:43:47] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast i’m so tempted to start reeling off names, but i won’t. leave it for DMs! #editorchat

[21:43:51] IrisJumbe: @Shelbow Haha. Can’t argue with that. And I’m also with @littlebrownpen re: working in one’s PJ’s. So liberating πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:43:59] jesshatchigan: Q5 Writers are part of the community, but also observers/commentators – we wear 2 (3?) hats. #editorchat

[21:44:00] littlebrownpen: This all sounds very much like the business model for about.com cicra 2000. They were ahead of the game (I was an ed there). #editorchat

[21:44:16] rosefox: @mhertz #editorchat That assumes content is fungible. I disagree, and business plans with that assumption will fail. #editorchat

[21:44:26] wordful: @milehighfool more content indicates the value of the editor will surely rise on the web #editorchat

[21:44:40] marciamarcia: I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. via @bob_bobala #editorchat

[21:44:47] JDEbberly: RT @wordful: @milehighfool more content indicates the value of the editor will surely rise on the web #editorchat

[21:44:48] pam_baumeister: Hi all. I’ll be in and out here….but, wanted to introduce myself: I’m the editor/assoc. publisher of a woman’s magazine in UT #editorchat

[21:44:51] joecortez: Q5: Community Writers encourage communal discussion. But without editor, can also encourage misinformation. #editorchat

[21:44:53] jesshatchigan: RT @ErikSherman @bob_bobala When everyone writes, the business advantage, now as always, comes from doing it better than most #editorchat

[21:44:55] timecommander: @bob_bobala You have quite the optimistic view on life. #editorchat

[21:45:03] bob_bobala: @jennipps Yes, I really believe — at least where I work in technology — that content can be a differentiator. #editorchat

[21:45:07] littlebrownpen: About.com – Niche topic sites, community-driven content, non-professional writers with professional editors. Bought out by NYT. #editorchat

[21:45:08] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool More need for experts … but it takes a while for those who pay to recognize that need. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:45:13] tamera: How do you fund & provide access/ sources for a Sy Hersh under a citizen journo/ different model? #editorchat

[21:45:16] a2editor: @wordful You’d think so, but pubs are laying off editors before writers b/c they need content producers to survive. #editorchat

[21:45:20] milehighfool: @pam_baumeister You finally made it. Welcome, Pam. #editorchat

[21:45:20] anndouglas: @bob_bobala I love it when someone who doesn’t consider himself/herself a writer emerges w/powerful voice. #editorchat

[21:45:27] pam_baumeister: RT @joecortez: Q5: Community Writers encourage communal discussion. But without editor, can also encourage misinformation. #editorchat

[21:45:32] CMM_PR: @bob_bobala A great point. There’s also the issue of content ownership. #editorchat

[21:45:35] Mike_Evans_: Sorry, didn’t introduce myself – freelance writer ,working in print, online, on stage, #editorchat

[21:45:58] JenniferPerillo: @JoeCortez Personally, I don’t work in PJs but get the feeling others do. Just saying…#editorchat

[21:46:00] pam_baumeister: Hi @littlebrownpen! My alter-ego is @wasatchwoman #editorchat

[21:46:01] bob_bobala: @timecommander Ha ha. If only you knew me. #editorchat

[21:46:03] anndouglas: bob_bobala It’s such a joy to witness the spontaneous birth of a writer. #editorchat

[21:46:05] wordful: @a2editor then maybe editors should become writers as well…at least for now! #editorchat

[21:46:06] littlebrownpen: RT @joecortez: Q5: Community Writers encourage communal discussion. But without editor, can also encourage misinformation. #editorchat

[21:46:06] LydiaBreakfast: Then shouldn’t the community have a designated space not to be confused with the professional writers? #editorchat

[21:46:06] mhertz: @rosefox I hope you’re right, because I hear about more and more “$10 for 1,000 word” models out there. #editorchat

[21:46:17] pam_baumeister: @milehighfool Thanks for the welcome! Good to be here – finally. #editorchat

[21:46:26] KBordessa: @littlebrownpen As a writer, though, I avoid About.com sites. Not everyone does though, I suppose. #editorchat

[21:46:39] a2editor: @wordful That’s exactly what I did, lol. #editorchat

[21:46:41] anndouglas: @bob_bobala It’s such a joy to witness the spontaneous birth of a writer. #editorchat

[21:46:51] BeckyDMBR: @a2editor Yes, publications have been cutting editors and fact-checkers for decades. It’s hurt the biz. #editorchat

[21:46:53] timecommander: @bob_bobala A ton of things are differentiators though. Design, community, etc. You can’t really boil it done to content, IMO. #editorchat

[21:46:56] pam_baumeister: @LydiaBreakfast I agree with you, Lydia. The community needs to feel they have a voice, too. I let comm writers write online. #editorchat

[21:47:02] bob_bobala: @CMM_PR Yes, content ownership is a big one. When I worked at Motley Fool, we owned everything you wrote in our community. #editorchat

[21:47:07] milehighfool: To me, the real threat of innovation comes with ignoring the tools and refusing to experiment. In that sense, community is fuel. #editorchat

[21:47:42] wordful: @LydiaBreakfast that’s a good point — designate professional writers from community writers #editorchat

[21:47:51] littlebrownpen: @KBordessa Absolutely agree. The quality of the content was horrible. I avoid the sites as well. The model failed, really. #editorchat

[21:47:54] timecommander: @milehighfool That’s a great point. The other threat is that it’s used opposite of it’s intention. #editorchat

[21:47:57] LydiaBreakfast: @pam_baumeister Hello there, glad you could join in πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:48:02] AdinaGenn: @jesshatchigan q5 now is partiuclarly interesting for those of us struglling w/writing about the economy #editorchat

[21:48:12] leanneclc: @KBordessa I don’t avoid any sites…just weigh their content appropriately and check facts as needed…good kernels everywhere #editorchat

[21:48:17] rosefox: @mhertz #editorchat Constant Content won’t replace the NY Times; Make won’t replace engineering journals. There’s room for all. #editorchat

[21:48:31] bob_bobala: @timecommander Yeah I agree that all those can make your site/product stand out. Just saying content can really play a part. #editorchat

[21:48:35] milehighfool: @mhertz I’m not so sure that’s professional writing. Content bricklaying, perhaps. #editorchat

[21:48:36] pam_baumeister: @JenniferPerillo Ha! Working in PJ’s is never good for me. I feel I have to get “made up” to work. Especially @ the office. #editorchat

[21:48:48] a2editor: @BeckyDMBR Yes w/out editors, many writers’ work isn’t a lot better than community (sorry): harder to see value in paid content. #editorchat

[21:49:01] SpecialDee: If you’re new to TweetDeck, you can follow #editorchat by doing a Search which creates its own column for that chat.

[21:49:13] bob_bobala: @rosefox @mhertz Amen. I hope that is true. #editorchat

[21:49:14] jennipps: @milehighfool Content bricklaying – Good analogy. #editorchat

[21:49:38] marciamarcia: I bristle over suggestion to separate “real writers” from community writers. Imagine if we did that for tech dev or leadership. #editorchat

[21:49:49] jesshatchigan: @AdinaGenn, Hi Adina – in what way re Q5? #editorchat

[21:49:51] leanneclc: Isn’t writing kind of like running? You would do it anyway, because you can’t not (don’t tell those who pay you that, tho) #editorchat

[21:49:51] pam_baumeister: @a2editor I agree. Most community writers really need a good editor. Sadly, not all of them learn to self-edit. #editorchat

[21:49:52] IrisJumbe: RT @leanneclc I don’t avoid any sites. just weigh their content appropriately & check facts as needed. good kernels everywhere #editorchat

[21:49:56] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool Love it – “content bricklaying.” #editorchat

[21:49:59] mhertz: @milehighfool Content bricklaying. Nice. Sounds glamorous, no? #editorchat

[21:50:01] BeckyDMBR: @a2editor Yes, I’m seeing that a lot now. #editorchat

[21:50:06] anndouglas: RT @marciamarcia Heck, I feel constrained when I *read* print that I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:50:09] CMM_PR: @LydiaBreakfast Designating community vs professional writers could impact the perceived value of content. #editorchat

[21:50:31] ErikSherman: @a2editor Must agree – last time I did some significant editing, I was appalled at how copy came in. #editorchat

[21:50:33] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful I write because I can get paid to write. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:50:41] bob_bobala: @pam_baumeister Ha. I know a lot of “writer” writers who don’t self-edit and need to. #editorchat

[21:50:52] MonroeOnABudget: RT @anndouglas When I’m writing for print, I feel constrained because I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat *OMG I’ve felt that way too at times.

[21:51:03] pam_baumeister: @marciamarcia I don’t think we need to divide out “real writers,” from community writers. They need training/mentoring, though. #editorchat

[21:51:23] timecommander: Q6: How has editing made a difference to your writing skills? #editorchat

[21:51:24] jesshatchigan: @leanneclc. amen and shhhh. My lips are sealed. #editorchat

[21:51:24] BeckyDMBR: @ErikSherman I used to edit lawyers, so I’m not sure I’d be terribly surprised. Would I? πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:51:24] gmarkham: @Wordful I think the pros will stand out; rather than separate them, help those in community who want to be journos (not all do) #editorchat

[21:51:34] bob_bobala: @CMM_PR I think this really comes into play when subject matter experts are involved, like on taxes with TurboTax commmunity. #editorchat

[21:51:40] jlcommunication: @LydiaBreakfast Just joining in but what separates professional from com. writer? What if com is better then ‘pro’ #editorchat

[21:51:42] pam_baumeister: @bob_bobala I know a lot of those same “writer” writers. πŸ˜‰ I usually don’t use them more than twice in my pub. #editorchat

[21:51:42] AdinaGenn: @jesshatchigan meant to say writers r struggling w. the economy and writing about those struggling w. economy too #editorchat

[21:52:13] milehighfool: @marciamarcia Yes, but there is a difference between a well-researched article and a $5 rant. I want publishers to see that. #editorchat

[21:52:29] bob_bobala: @pam_baumeister Amen, sister. Writers, take note! #editorchat

[21:52:37] LydiaBreakfast: @jlcommunication I didn’t say they should be separated, it was a question for others to answer how they handle at their own pubs #editorchat

[21:52:39] JDEbberly: @QuickenPRChels I might just have to post that nugget on Twitter! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:52:42] wordful: @gmarkham yeah, HuffPo does this. They have a ton of guest bloggers. #editorchat

[21:52:55] ErikSherman: @BeckyDMBR Oh, that had to be interesting. #editorchat

[21:52:56] jennipps: @milehighfool I would hope that they do, but, of course, no guarantees. #editorchat

[21:52:57] anndouglas: RT @marciamarcia “I bristle over suggestion to separate “real writers” from community writers. [strongly agree: it’s rude] #editorchat

[21:52:58] joecortez: Q6: Editing forces me to take a second look: this makes me acknowledge my shortcomings, so I don’t repeat. Result: efficiency! #editorchat

[21:53:27] pam_baumeister: @jlcommunication good question. RT: what separates professional from community writer? What if com is better then ‘pro’ #editorchat

[21:53:28] jennipps: My computer hiccuped & had to restart Firefox. Can someone RT Q6 please? #editorchat

[21:53:41] karasw: RT @rosefox That frustrates me so much! I’ve started thinking in hyperlinks. Printed text is confining now. #editorchat

[21:53:43] ErikSherman: @milehighfool No, you want the publisher to see it and to care. The problem is that many don’t. #editorchat

[21:53:50] jlcommunication: @LydiaBreakfast Sorry. As I said, late to game. #editorchat

[21:54:11] pam_baumeister: @joecortez So true. I’ve learned so much as an editor. I can’t say that my writing is perfect, but I’ve learned what not to do. #editorchat

[21:54:12] marciamarcia: @laurakratochvil “Real writers write for the community.” Exactly. Thank you. #editorchat

[21:54:21] leanneclc: Then would “real” writers be like “real” artists? Only those who get paid are “real”? Hmmm history disagrees #editorch

[21:54:23] milehighfool: Killjoy warning: seven minutes left. Re-introduce yourself and post a link beginning at 9:55 pm. #editorchat

[21:54:36] SpecialDee: Do you think citizen journalism is the appropriate phrase for writers not employed by a news agency? #editorchat

[21:54:37] LydiaBreakfast: @jlcommunication no prob, just wanted to clarify for the others who thought it was a stance and not a question #editorchat

[21:54:40] JDEbberly: RT @marciamarcia: @laurakratochvil “Real writers write for the community.” Exactly. Thank you. #editorchat

[21:54:48] a2editor: @pam_baumeister If com is better than pro, they should be noticed and given a staff position. #editorchat

[21:54:57] jesshatchigan: @AdinaGenn, that is a good point. Thank you. #editorchat

[21:54:58] hotspringer: Generally, good writing proceeds from clear thinking. Good editing helps a writer think more so the reader has to think less. #editorchat

[21:55:14] jennipps: I try to self-edit. Will be going to a workshop on it at the end of the month, so that should help me out. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:55:14] goodiesformom: @pam_baumeister I learn so much more from editing and I think it has made me a much better writer. #editorchat

[21:55:23] littlebrownpen: Q6: I learned how to write much better thanks to a great (mean! tough! thorough!) editor. #editorchat

[21:55:35] joecortez: @pam_baumeister I’m still learning from editors present and past — some of them the best I know have been non-pro grammar cops! #editorchat

[21:55:36] a2editor: @pam_baumeister Note I said “should.” There are great writers not being paid anything. #editorchat

[21:55:37] wordful: RT @laurakratochvil “Real writers write for the community.” That pretty much sums that up….great stuff #editorchat

[21:55:42] bob_bobala: @pam_baumeister @jlcommunication If community is better than the pro, hire the community. #editorchat

[21:55:49] BeckyDMBR: @ErikSherman Yeah, I drank a lot. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:55:53] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Good point. And, as it happens, some of these publishers chalk up not caring to Innovation. #editorchat

[21:55:57] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Killjoy warning: seven minutes left. Re-introduce yourself and post a link beginning at 9:55 pm. #editorchat

[21:56:08] jesshatchigan: RT @hotspringer …. Good editing helps a writer think more so the reader has to think less. #editorchat

[21:56:12] IrisJumbe: Q6 I’ve always self-edited. Even b4 it was my job. It makes me conscious of space & helps keep the language succinct. #editorchat

[21:56:17] CMM_PR: @pam_baumeister A great quality of community is the newness of their approach to to the medium. Distinction from J’s is easy 2 c #editorchat

[21:56:20] SpecialDee: Special Sections editor of Maine newspaper http://specialdee.wordpress.com Great conversation tonight! #editorchat

[21:56:21] mhertz: Q6: As an editor (and copy editor), it takes me that much longer to write because I’m always editing (and copy editing) myself! #editorchat

[21:56:28] pam_baumeister: @a2editor Yes! Or, given regular writing assignments. I have lots of comm writers who think b/c they blog, they can write. #editorchat

[21:56:36] JenniferPerillo: RT @hotspringer: Good writing proceeds from clear thinking. Good editing helps a writer think more so reader has to think less. #editorchat

[21:56:40] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful What does HuffPo do? #editorchat

[21:56:41] AdinaGenn: @jesshatchigan especially as a freelance writer, chasing down invoices and looking for assignments is an art! #editorchat

[21:56:53] Hergett: RT @hotspringer Good writing proceeds from clear thinking Good editing helps a writer think more so the reader has to think less #editorchat

[21:56:59] marciamarcia: @milehighfool From a publisher’s perspective, a $5 rant can be more valuable. That’s what seems unfortunate. #editorchat

[21:57:06] LydiaBreakfast: @IrisJumbe Me too! #editorchat

[21:57:10] a2editor: Laura Cowan, freelance editor and writer working in book publishing and automotive media. Nice to see you all! Great topics. #editorchat

[21:57:14] leanneclc: So jealous of you who have had the ability to do one or the other…always worked for small companies, did both simultaneously #editorchat

[21:57:15] ErikSherman: @milehighfool It’s back to thinking of writing as content and, ironically, focusing more on the business than the audience. #editorchat

[21:57:18] littlebrownpen: Agree. Good writing = good thinking. Training not always relevant. #editorchat

[21:57:20] konadad: RT @littlebrownpen: Q6: I learned how to write much better thanks to a great (mean! tough! thorough!) editor. #editorchat

[21:57:22] CMM_PR: A blogger does not a writer make! #editorchat

[21:57:23] anndouglas: @leanneclc Agree. Some of the best writing I’ve done has been in support of causes I believe in. Not always $ involved. #editorchat

[21:57:36] jesshatchigan: @jennipps @milehighfool Content bricklaying – Good analogy. #editorchat ~have worked w engineers. Agree re good analogy.

[21:57:39] pam_baumeister: @joecortez Oh! I know! Those that can coach you on your grammar are the best editors. I owe a lot to some of my early editors. #editorchat

[21:57:39] JenniferPerillo: Ok, really need to get off twitter. The Mr. is getting cranky. Will catch last mins of #editorchat in the AM.

[21:57:41] wordful: @BeckyDMBR They have several contributing writers/bloggers. #editorchat

[21:57:55] LydiaBreakfast: OK tweeps time to reintroduce and send us your links #editorchat

[21:58:23] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo reintroduce yourself and send links #editorchat

[21:58:33] jlcommunication: @CMM_PR But can a writer also blog? #editorchat

[21:58:33] KatPowers: @marciamarcia I find I need the $5 rant to set me off on an investigation. That helps my work #editorchat

[21:58:41] JenniferPerillo: And for the record folks, I’m at the “office” dressed everyday. Just posed the PJ scenario b/c you know it’s happening! #editorchat

[21:58:41] SuburbNews: #editorchat Another question might be: what level of writing do readers want? Do they want citizen or pro-style? What if former?

[21:58:46] pam_baumeister: @CMM_PR True. Community writer’s can bring a freshness to a publication that seasoned writers sometimes lose. #editorchat

[21:58:54] a2editor: @pam_baumeister Now that’s a big topic to discuss in itself… #editorchat

[21:59:06] jennipps: Jen Nipps, fl writer in south Oklahoma. Contributor at TutorialBlog (www.tutorialblog.org/author/jen-nipps) Next article due Fri #editorchat

[21:59:08] CMM_PR: @jlcommunication Absolutely! #editorchat

[21:59:10] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful That’s about all they have. I believe HuffPo has 2000+ unpaid bloggers. #editorchat

[21:59:15] ErikSherman: Freelance covering business, technology, food, arts, and a few other things: http://www.eriksherman.com #editorchat

[21:59:16] wordful: Charles here…editor, writer and blogger. Very deflated today thanks to the IRS. More up to par next week on #editorchat

[21:59:18] JDEbberly: RT Oh! I know! Those that can coach you on your grammar are the best editors. I owe lot to some of my early editors #editorchat

[21:59:25] rosefox: #editorchat Rose Fox, PW book reviews editor, freelance medical journalist. Great talking with you! http://rosejasperfox.com #editorchat

[21:59:36] KBordessa: RT pam_baumeister @CMM_PR True. Community writer’s can bring a freshness to a publication that seasoned writers sometimes lose. #editorchat

[21:59:36] joecortez: @CMM_PR Blogger and Writer can be mutually exclusive — But not necessarily. Depends on the skill and ability of the wizard. #editorchat

[21:59:40] LydiaBreakfast: You are all welcome to continue the discusson at editorchat.wordpress.com but we’ve got to close shop here #editorchat

[21:59:46] pam_baumeister: RT: @CMM_PR A blogger does not a writer make! — If I had a dime for every blogger who has pitched me to write a column… #editorchat

[21:59:48] SuburbNews: #editorchat Of course, I don’t mean hard-hitting watchdog, investigations. But for other “news” is our writing style out of date? Q only

[21:59:48] JDEbberly: JD Ebberly. I write about blogging & New Media. I’ll update you on the same and much more at —> @JDEbberly #editorchat

[21:59:53] JenniferPerillo: @JenniferPerillo: Good night from Jennifer in Bklyn, NY. See ya at http://www.InJenniesKitchen.com! #editorchat

[22:00:03] leanneclc: @CMM_PR but a paid writer does not a “real” writer make either. Many bloggers have a long history in “professional writing” #edit

[22:00:03] unearthingasia: just joining #editorchat in time for.. reintroduction? did I miss the whole chat? 😦 Nik here, Editor for http://twurl.nl/4hus7r

[22:00:08] wordful: @BeckyDMBR well somebody is making money there… #editorchat

[22:00:09] mhertz: I’m Marc – freelance writer/editor/copy editor in SF Bay Area. Find me on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/b3/555 #editorchat

[22:00:10] milehighfool: @rosefox Thanks for joining, Rose. Engaging points. #editorchat

[22:00:12] ErikSherman: ‘Night, all. #editorchat

[22:00:15] IrisJumbe: RT @littlebrownpen: Good writing = good thinking. Training not always relevant. #editorchat [me: Agreed. but it can be useful too :)]

[22:00:16] littlebrownpen: Nichole Robertson, freelance writer. I also blog about my excursions to Paris here: http://littlebrownpen.blogspot.com/ #editorchat

[22:00:24] Mike_Evans_: How do I get the schedule for future editor chats #editorchat

[22:00:40] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for another great chat! Becky in Iowa … #editorchat

[22:00:40] mhertz: Thanks for the chat, everyone. Interesting discussions as always. #editorchat

[22:00:44] BaileyMcC: Bailey… writer/consultant/editor, etc. Managing Editor at http://www.civsourceonline.com #editorchat

[22:00:45] LydiaBreakfast: @mhertz Thanks for coming #editorchat

[22:00:45] JDEbberly: Thank you very much @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast for yet another SUPERB Editorchat! Look foward 2 next week! #editorchat

[22:00:53] timecommander: Hey. I’m Dan Miranda, the thirteen year old writer, blogger and editor. I hope you check out commandyourtime.com today! #editorchat

[22:00:55] joecortez: Thanks for the chat! I’m Joe Cortez: freelance journalist, writer, video producer/reporter. Follow me here; website coming soon. #editorchat

[22:01:06] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Night, thanks for coming #editorchat

[22:01:18] pam_baumeister: I might add that @littlebrownpen is funny and witty…I’ve read her stuff. #editorchat

[22:01:18] JDEbberly: @Mike_Evans_ Editorchat convenes on Wed nights from 830pm to 10pm EST #editorchat

[22:01:21] milehighfool: @Mike_Evans_ Please see editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[22:01:21] jlcommunication: Intro: Former journ and journ teacher. Now freelance copywrite, p.r., journ – and yes I blog. http://www.jalcommunication.com #editorchat

[22:01:24] sooutdoors: #editorchat Good night all, great topics as always drop in a visit me at http://www.sooutdoors.ca

[22:01:24] jennipps: @Mike_Evans_ Topics & transcripts are posted at https://editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[22:01:30] LydiaBreakfast: @Mike_Evans_ editorchat.wordpress.com has all the info and transcripts #editorchat

[22:01:32] goodiesformom: Lois Whittaker, newsletter editor/marketing by day – blogger by night http://www.goodiesformom.com #editorchat

[22:01:34] wordful: @timecommander you’ve got such a cool and intriguing Twitter name #editorchat

[22:01:35] a2editor: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Thanks for your work putting together the chat, topics, etc. Always nice to see you. #editorchat

[22:01:37] bob_bobala: Thanks, Tweeps. Bob Bobala, writer/editor at TurboTax, formerly at Motley Fool. Also publish at http://exitstrategypress.com/ #editorchat

[22:01:39] LydiaBreakfast: @joecortez Thanks Joe #editorchat

[22:01:40] MudslideMama: @Mike_Evans_ It’s always this time, this place (the lurker speaks!) #editorchat

[22:01:47] paradisekitten: Really enjoyed the comments and chat tonight! Thanks all! http://coffeeomancy.blogspot.com/ #editorchat

[22:01:47] marciamarcia: @pam_baumeister Agree “spontaneous writers” (new fave moniker) benefit from mentoring, training & editing. So do pros. #editorchat

[22:01:49] BeckyDMBR: @wordful Yes. The owner/publisher. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:01:49] pam_baumeister: I guess funny and witty could arguably mean the same thing…nicely done, Editor girl. #editorchat

[22:02:07] Hergett: Rachel Hergett, Bozeman, MT, editor by hiring, writer by choice, http://www.dailychronicle.com. Good night all. Back to work. #editorchat

[22:02:12] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Thanks for joining us πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:02:19] jennipps: Thanks to @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for their wonderful hosting. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:02:44] SuburbNews: Thanks for interesting #editorchat – best to everyone

[22:02:48] milehighfool: @a2editor Thanks, Laura. Glad you could make it. Thanks to everyone for participating. #editorchat

[22:02:54] timecommander: @wordful Thanks! I actually planned using it a long time and never got around to it. It was strictly a marketing decision. #editorchat

[22:02:56] anndouglas: Ann Douglas, author, blogger, columnist etc http://anndouglas.typepad.com/blogs/ Thx @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool #editorchat

[22:02:57] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps thanks for coming #editorchat

[22:03:10] rosefox: RT @jennipps Thanks to @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for their wonderful hosting. πŸ™‚ #editorchat #editorchat

[22:03:11] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Night πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:03:12] pam_baumeister: @marciamarcia like the moniker. And, I’m following you. #editorchat

[22:03:13] joecortez: jennipps: RT @jennipps Thanks to @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for their wonderful hosting. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:03:13] jesshatchigan: Thank you and good night from Jess in Ann Arbor, MI – http://www.hatchigan.com Great chat tonight. #editorchat

[22:03:14] hotspringer: Rebecca McCormick, freelance travel journalist and feature writer. http://tinyurl.com/RebMcC #editorchat

[22:03:14] jennipps: I’ve got to work on my next TutorialBlog article, so I will see everyone next week and on Twitter in the meantime. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:03:25] LydiaBreakfast: @anndouglas Thanks for coming Ann #editorchat

[22:03:28] IrisJumbe: I’m a writer/editor currently burrowing away in Shanghai. My blog: http://www.artonym.com. Thx 4 the chat & tips, everyone #editorchat

[22:03:40] LydiaBreakfast: @jesshatchigan Night Jess #editorchat

[22:03:41] pam_baumeister: Q: When is working with a “diva” writer worth it and when do you cut them loose? #editorchat

[22:03:42] jlcommunication: @timecommander Power of the internet is that Dan has ability to find audience and publish in ways I couldn’t fathom at his age. #editorchat

[22:03:43] frankspencer: RT @marciamarcia: If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[22:04:00] LydiaBreakfast: @IrisJumbe Thanks Shanghai Iris πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:04:06] jesshatchigan: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast, thank you for hosting #editorchat

[22:04:31] bob_bobala: @pam_baumeister When do you cut the diva loose? 10 minutes ago, Pam. #editorchat

[22:04:41] LydiaBreakfast: All, please feel free to post comments and further questions on editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[22:04:49] milehighfool: @jesshatchigan @anndouglas ‘Night Jess, Ann. #editorchat

[22:04:54] a2editor: @jesshatchigan I’m also in Ann Arbor. Small world. πŸ™‚ Nice chatting with you. #editorchat

[22:05:43] jacksonp2008: What is #editorchat

[22:05:45] milehighfool: @joecortez Thanks, Joe. We appreciate it. #editorchat

[22:05:46] timecommander: @jlcommunication I hope you find yourself enjoying some posts on there. Feel free to leave a comment or two. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:06:25] pam_baumeister: @bob_bobala I’m such a sap, Bob. I hate to hurt people…especially strong female writers. You’re giving me courage. #editorchat

[22:06:41] Hergett: RT @bob_bobala @pam_baumeister When do you cut the diva loose? 10 minutes ago, Pam. #editorchat

[22:06:47] IrisJumbe: @LydiaBreakfast Thank you, Lydia πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:06:58] jennipps: @JEFletcher I most definitely agree, on all counts but especially the last. πŸ™‚ Join us for #editorchat next week?

[22:07:00] LydiaBreakfast: Good night all and thanks so much for a wonderful chat, Lydia Dishman freelance biz journalist, lbdcommunications.blogspot.com #editorchat

[22:07:09] marciamarcia: Marcia Conner: Writer, editor, social media & learning strategist. http://www.marciaconner.com. Love learning from #editorchat

[22:07:27] pam_baumeister: @timecommander You look like you’re twelve. no offense. #editorchat

[22:07:32] jlcommunication: @timecommander Send your link again. I’m a former journ teacher and very excited to see young writers doing what you are. #editorchat

[22:07:36] KatPowers: Happy to stumble on #editorchat. In the real world, I’ve run out of teachers who can tolerate me. Not here

[22:08:16] milehighfool: ‘Night all. Great chat, as always. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, Quicken.com blogger, timbeyers dot com #editorchat

[22:08:32] timecommander: @pam_baumeister HA! I blame it on the short hair-cut. Even so, doesn’t it make it that much more impressive? πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:09:03] timecommander: @jlcommunication commandyourtime.com I’m happy to hear. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:09:25] SpecialDee: @LydiaBreakfast Thank you for the #editorchat tonight.

[22:10:10] tracymueller: Oooh, just noticed the #editorchat hashtag for the first time. Might have to check that out next week.

[22:10:15] konadad: @pam_baumeister Working with a diva writer is worth it only if the final product benefits the reader. #editorchat

[22:10:34] pam_baumeister: @timecommander Yeah. I am truly impressed if you are indeed twelve. #editorchat

[22:10:51] anndouglas: @BeckyDMBR I always assumed those bloggers were paid. #editorchat

[22:10:56] shirleybrady: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Hi Lydia & Tim – Looks like an interesting #editorchat tonight (caught tail-end of Q5) – sorry I missed!

[22:11:20] timecommander: @pam_baumeister As opposed to me actually being thirteen? #editorchat

[22:11:58] pam_baumeister: @konadad I guess so. But, if I have to make adjustments to when a story comes out, it never sits well w/ the diva. Painful 4 me. #editorchat

[22:12:06] continuum_q5: RT @timecommander: @pam_baumeister As opposed to me actually being thirteen? #editorchat it’s not about age it’s maturity;-)

[22:12:36] UTBubble: RT @pam_baumeister: Q: When is working w/ a “diva” writer worth it & when do u cut them loose? #editorchat NEVER & SOON-I’ve been th

[22:12:41] pam_baumeister: @timecommander Well…that’s impressive, too. I’m curious about what brings you to #editorchat #editorchat

[22:12:49] shortformernie: I fell off the wagon, but It was a good chat tonight guys. #editorchat

[22:12:56] ErikSherman: RT @anndouglas … heard today – some mega-bookstores want online video content for certain types book to stock title. #editorchat

[22:13:22] shortformernie: Ernie @shortformblog (http://shortformblog.com/), see you all next week! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:13:51] konadad: @pam_baumeister Yes, but the diva works for you — not the other way around. Tough, I know. #editorchat

[22:14:09] leanneclc: Another great #editorchat tonight. Really smart people, really good questions. Thank you all.

[22:14:19] timecommander: @pam_baumeister Wordful.com brought me here in literal sense…but seriously I edit for my middle school newspaper. #editorchat

[22:15:07] continuum_q5: @timecommander got to start somewhere #editorchat

[22:15:27] pam_baumeister: @konadad Good point. Thanks for the pep talk. I CAN do this! #editorchat

[22:16:05] pam_baumeister: @timecommander Smart kid. Good for you to be part of this community of writers/editors. #editorchat

[22:16:23] jlcommunication: @timecommander @pam_baumeister Dan’s perfect example of democratization of writing. The talent will rise to the top. #editorchat

[22:16:24] timecommander: @shortformernie Let me just say that I took one look at your blog… and it’s absolute gold. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:17:26] JDEbberly: @timecommander I’m following you and I will Tweet one of your blog articles tonight! GOOD JOB!! #editorchat

[22:17:59] timecommander: @pam_baumeister Thanks. I plan on writing/editing taking me far in life, why not start early. #editorchat

[22:19:03] timecommander: @JDEbberly Thanks! Hope you like the site. #editorchat

[22:21:04] JDEbberly: @timecommander Your blog is really interesting, I’m subscribing to it now in Google Reader and look forward to more! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:21:43] pam_baumeister: @jlcommunication True. Talent does rise to the top in this industry. That rise takes time, work and lots of patience, though. #editorchat

[22:21:52] a2editor: Srsly? There’s a carchat too? How can I choose between my beloved #editorchat and #carchat? Like a choice betwn peppermint and M&M cupcakes.

[22:22:02] hotspringer: @JenniferPerillo Thanks for the RT. Good to see you at #editorchat.

[22:22:39] pam_baumeister: @timecommander I’ll watch for your feature in Time Mag. ;o) Go for it! #editorchat

[22:23:09] joecortez: @pam_baumeister + @jlcommunication Agreed — talent is the result of hard work and dedication. How bad do you want it? #editorchat

[22:23:46] hotspringer: @JDEbberly Appreciated your input to #editorchat tonight. Thanks for the RT.

[22:24:28] michaelbanovsky: RT @a2editor: Srsly? There’s a carchat too? How can I choose between #editorchat n #carchat? Like a choice betwn peppermint and M&M cupcakes

[22:25:10] timecommander: @joecortez I’ll assume that question is directed toward me. How bad do I want it? I won’t stop writing. #editorchat

[22:25:23] Hergett: I meet the best tweeps at #editorchat

[22:25:53] shirleybrady: @timecommander You’re in middle school? And on #editorchat? Welcome (though likely have shoes older than you!) Will check out your blog

[22:26:32] joecortez: @timecommander It was a rhetorical question, but good answer — that drive will take you far – just hold on for dear life! #editorchat

[22:26:40] KBordessa: @leanneclc Good kernels everywhere, yes – but my patience is limited! πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[22:27:24] SuburbNews: @a2editor You are too funny about the carchat! Glad to meet you. #editorchat

[22:27:49] timecommander: @shirleybrady We have quite the funny one in you shirley. πŸ™‚ Hope you enjoy. #editorchat

[22:28:25] a2editor: @SuburbNews Nice to meet you too. See you next week? #editorchat

[22:28:53] wendyperrin: Did I miss #editorchat yet again?! 😦

[22:29:32] The_Economy: oooh i stumbled upon #editorchat. wonder if they can give me directions to #economychat. we must be in similar neighborhoods. #economy

[22:29:36] timecommander: @wendyperrin Oh, Wendy, you missed out. The discussion that goes on in these parts are extraordinary. #editorchat

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Written by LydiaBreakfast

April 20, 2009 at 11:47 am

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