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[20:31:35] LydiaBreakfast: And we are live tweeps, welcome to the May 13th edition of our fine chat, where we will discuss “The Content Divide” #editorchat

[20:31:58] LydiaBreakfast: Please introduce yourselves and tell us what you do πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:32:57] SpecialDee: Looking forward to it: RT @LydiaBreakfast: discuss “The Content Divide” #editorchat

[20:33:11] JDEbberly: Hello everyone. I’m JD Ebberly and I write pieces on blogging and new media. I love this chat !! πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[20:33:12] jennipps: Hi, everyone! Jen, fl writer from south Oklahoma. Write for TutorialBlog, OWFI Report, WritingforDollars, etc. #editorchat

[20:33:14] JMegonigal: Jordana Megonigal, editor of Business mag in Upstate S.C. and local publishing co. #editorchat

[20:33:23] SpecialDee: Special Sections editor in Maine #editorchat

[20:33:33] LydiaBreakfast: hello to already assembled chatters @shortformernie @beckydmbr @jennipps @katpowers @travelswithjenn @specialdee #editorchat

[20:33:37] KatPowers: Editor, Boston area #editorchat

[20:34:06] wordful: Aloha, I’m Charles Bohannan of Wordful from Hawaii. I’m an editor, writer and blogger, small business owner. #editorchat

[20:34:12] deegospel: Hi, I’m Dee Stewart. Contributing Editor for various Christian Entertainment publications. Blogger, PR, former journ #editorchat

[20:34:26] LydiaBreakfast: @JDebberly and @jmegonigal welcome πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:34:33] LydiaBreakfast: @deegospel Hi Dee #editorchat

[20:34:43] LydiaBreakfast: @wordful Aloha friend πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:35:06] milehighfool: Made it. Sorry I’m late, editorchatters. #editorchat

[20:35:08] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Like your new photo πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:35:19] travelswithjenn: Jennifer Netherby, freelance writer from Portland, Or. I write about entertainment and technology #editorchat

[20:35:22] hinder: Hey. I’m Katie a freelance writer/editor for a number of pubs and websites. Based in the Midwest now. #editorchat

[20:35:25] milehighfool: Glad everyone could make it. #editorchat

[20:35:31] shortformernie: What’s up yo? Ernie Smith, designer at Wash. Post Express, editor of ShortFormBlog (http://shortformblog.com/) And I wear hats! #editorchat

[20:35:34] retheauditors: Francine McKenna in Chicago, Author and Editor of http://retheauditors a blog focused on the business of the Big 4 audit firms #editorchat

[20:35:46] AndyBumatai: RT @Wordful: Aloha, I’m Charles Bohannan of Wordful from Hawaii. I’m an editor, writer and blogger, small business owner. #editorchat

[20:35:47] LydiaBreakfast: @hinder Hi Katie! #editorchat

[20:35:49] thewritermama: Hi, my name is Christina Katz, I’m an author, speaker, writing instructor and the pub/ed of three e-zines. (waving) #editorchat

[20:35:50] JaneFriedman: Hi everyone – Publisher/Editorial Director of Writer’s Digest at F+W Media #editorchat

[20:35:52] KBordessa: Kris Bordessa, family, fun and travel writer for nationals as well as author of several books. Will try to keep up! #editorchat

[20:35:57] LydiaBreakfast: @retheauditors So glad you came! #editorchat

[20:36:02] ErikSherman: I’m Erik Sherman, freelance print journalist, blogger at BNET, editor, book author, photographer #editorchat

[20:36:04] milehighfool: Keep introducing yourselves as you join. I’ll get us going with the rules. #editorchat

[20:36:13] Single_Shot: Hey folks. Diane Mapes, your friendly neighborhood freelance writer from Seattle, covering health, lifestyle & the singles beat #editorchat

[20:36:19] LydiaBreakfast: @JaneFriedman Hi Jane – thanks so much for joining us #editorchat

[20:36:30] merylkevans: Typing from windy Plano, Texas, where I do everything words — write, edit, research and play. #editorchat

[20:36:35] LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot Yay! #editorchat

[20:36:42] milehighfool: Jabe, Christina, Francine, Erik — welcome. #editorchat

[20:36:51] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Welcome, please pass the potstickers πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:37:01] TamarahLand: Hello all, TL here. I am a freelance writer and blogger #editorchat

[20:37:07] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans Hello Texas Meryl #editorchat

[20:37:12] jennipps: @merylkevans Meryl, I didn’t realize you’re in Plano. We’re practically neighbors. lol. I’m in Ada, OK. About 3-ish hours away. #editorchat

[20:37:15] milehighfool: Jabe? Ugh. *Jane*. Sticky fingers — sorry about that. #editorchat

[20:37:15] littlebrownpen: Hi all. Nichole Robertson, freelance writer currently working on a few travel and Paris lifestyle pieces #editorchat

[20:37:22] LydiaBreakfast: @KBordessa Kris, thanks for coming πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:37:38] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast Thanx — will try to earn that “yay!” ; ) #editorchat

[20:37:42] LydiaBreakfast: @TamarahLand TL thanks for coming tonight πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:38:00] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Hiya Nichole πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:38:02] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:03] KBordessa: @LydiaBreakfast I often pop in to watch, but keeping up at dinner time is hard! #editorchat

[20:38:27] merylkevans: @jennipps Howdy there, neighbor! Excuse me while I go into a silent rendition of Oklahoma! I can’t help it! #editorchat

[20:38:27] milehighfool: Rule No. 1 Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:38:31] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast Hi! Really looking forward to tonight’s #editorchat #editorchat

[20:38:38] LydiaBreakfast: @KBordessa in and out is fine too, just glad you are here πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:38:55] milehighfool: Rule No. 2 Stay on topic. #editorchat

[20:39:01] jennipps: @merylkevans lol. Heck, sometimes even I do it. Though often not-so-silent. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:39:25] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat

[20:39:57] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:39:58] deegospel: Hi, Twuddies. For the next 1/2 hour I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.

[20:40:16] merylkevans: @jennipps Well, I’m tone deaf. Actually, completely deaf. So I’d only embarrass myself and make everyone mad in my household. #editorchat

[20:40:27] jennipps: @milehighfool I know I’m weird, but this is my favorite rule. lol. #editorchat

[20:40:46] merylkevans: Busy with @smallbizchat and @editorchat. If I am making you crazy… just hit http://twittersnooze.com/ for a day. #editorchat

[20:40:49] milehighfool: And a new rule — no. 5: Refer to the question number when commenting. Q1, Q2, etc. #editorchat

[20:41:05] LydiaBreakfast: For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.RT @deegospel #editorchat

[20:41:20] milehighfool: @jennipps Mine too, Jen. Mine too πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:41:29] jennipps: @merylkevans I thought I’d seen where you had mentioned that sometime before. #editorchat

[20:41:54] milehighfool: For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.RT @deegospel

[20:41:55] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s give everyone a couple more minutes to introduce before we start the Qs #editorchat

[20:41:58] JDEbberly: @merylkevans It’s really tough trying to follow TWO chats simultaneously #Editorchat

[20:41:59] KatPowers: will be hyper-chatting with editors. Think about http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep, via @deegospel #editorchat

[20:41:59] JMegonigal: Hey tweeps…for the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep!

[20:42:04] hinder: RT For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.

[20:42:23] jennipps: @milehighfool I always laugh a little and think if it were only possible… #editorchat

[20:42:46] merylkevans: @JDEbberly Not really. I have TweetChat open in two tabs. One for #smallbizchat and one for #editorchat

[20:43:01] Hergett: Missing out on #editorchat for a birthday celebration. Happy-sad.

[20:43:31] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Happy birthday wishes, sorry you won’t be with us #editorchat

[20:43:34] milehighfool: @Hergett Happy Birthday — we’ll see you next time. #editorchat

[20:43:36] jennipps: @Hergett Aww. Well, happy birthday to the birthday boy/girl. #editorchat

[20:43:44] ErikSherman: I’m on #editorchat for the next hour or so. Use http://www.twitttersnooze.com to ignore my tweets

[20:43:46] JaneFriedman: For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.

[20:43:49] dodgemedlin: Hey all. Mark Dodge Medlin of the San Diego U-T, stopping by #editorchat, where I’ll probably mostly lurk. #editorchat

[20:43:52] KBordessa: @merylkevans Wow – I can barely keep up w/one and you’re watching two?? #editorchat

[20:44:17] LydiaBreakfast: @dodgemedlin Mark, welcome. Don’t be shy #editorchat

[20:44:41] SpecialDee: I like to follow chats in TweetDeck by doing a search for #editorchat which creates a column of chat tweets. How do you follow the chat?

[20:44:47] wetzeledit: Howdy. Not sure if I can keep up but will try to pop in. Wendy Wetzel, freelance copyeditor. #editorchat

[20:44:49] shortformernie: @dodgemedlin Greetings, man. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:44:57] GLHancock: Newbie to #editorchat, but not to editing. Please be patient with me. #editorchat

[20:45:05] hotspringer: Good evening. I’m Rebecca McCormick, multimedia travel writer from Hot Springs, Ark. #editorchat

[20:45:13] Single_Shot: Don’t know if it’s something I said (typed?), but the twittersnooze website isn’t opening for me. #editorchat

[20:45:36] merylkevans: @KBordessa Well, maybe it helps I am on a laptop sitting up in my comfy bedroom with the right lighting away from noisy kids. #editorchat

[20:46:07] deegospel: URL Change: Put me on http://www.twittersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep. #editorchat

[20:46:08] Jenbenjenben: Another newbie here, too. Longtime editor turned SAHM starting to freelance again. #editorchat

[20:46:10] LydiaBreakfast: So talking about the content divide, you know amid cutbacks is a stated desire among some publishers to produce more content #editorchat

[20:46:14] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Wha? Why in the world would you want to put *us* on snooze? Think of the spit-takes you’ll miss. #editorchat

[20:46:29] LydiaBreakfast: @GLHancock Hi there, welcome. Join in as you can #editorchat

[20:46:35] shortformernie: @Single_Shot thre were three ts in the link; take one out. #editorchat

[20:46:35] JDEbberly: @GLHancock You’re welcome to join us here at Editorchat, GL! πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[20:46:50] LydiaBreakfast: @Jenbenjenben Excellent thanks for joining #editorchat

[20:46:56] dodgemedlin: @shortformernie Hey Ernie. How goes it? #editorchat

[20:47:00] JDEbberly: @Jenbenjenben Welcome to Editorchat, Jen! Glad you’ve dropped by tonight πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[20:47:00] deegospel: @Single_Shot the url is http://www.twittersnooze.com my bad #editorchat

[20:47:18] milehighfool: @Jenbenjenben Glad you could make it. Welcome. #editorchat

[20:47:49] KatPowers: RT @deegospel @Single_Shot the url is http://www.twittersnooze.com my bad #editorchat #editorchat

[20:48:24] LydiaBreakfast: Talking about content, we know that community is a way to bridge the emerging content divide, where few writers are doing more #editorchat

[20:48:24] rjreports: Hi! I’m actually a writer, on staff at the San Diego Reader … Hopefully I’m still welcome πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:48:40] luckychica: Hello Everyone. First time on #editorchat. Former journo, now freelance writer/editor and captain of my own site for women. #editorchat

[20:48:43] Single_Shot: @milehighfool Never! Just hadn’t seen the site & wanted to suss it out. It’s working now (thanks to RT). #editorchat

[20:48:52] LitChat: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Let’s give everyone a couple more minutes to introduce before we start the Qs #editorchat

[20:48:53] shortformernie: @dodgemedlin OK, just working my butt off per ush. #editorchat

[20:49:12] Single_Shot: @KatPowers Thanks! #editorchat

[20:49:12] milehighfool: Right. We’re seeing a lot of evidence of a widening content divide in all areas of publiishing. #editorchat

[20:49:14] LydiaBreakfast: Q #1 Editors: Are you to trying to find new ways to generate more content, even with mandates to cut staff ? #editorchat

[20:49:36] dodgemedlin: @rjreports Hey there. Well, you edit yourself, don’t you? πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:49:53] LydiaBreakfast: @rjreports Absolutely – thanks for coming! #editorchat

[20:50:18] SuburbNews: Reporter, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Like past couple weeks, I’ll be flitting betw #editorchat, giving son a bath, taping LOST #editorchat

[20:50:25] KatPowers: Q1 Yes. Thought for a while all content was good, but that’s not really the case, is it? #editorchat

[20:50:31] rjreports: @dodgemedlin Sure do! LOL. #editorchat

[20:50:38] Single_Shot: @luckychica Welcome Cap’n! #editorchat

[20:50:42] rjreports: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! #editorchat

[20:50:48] Booklorn: Ah poo. I’m always about to eat dinner when #editorchat starts up.

[20:50:52] milehighfool: We’re talking about all editors here. Magazine and newspaper cuts have made headlines but we sense book eds. are feeling it too #editorchat

[20:50:55] jennipps: @rjreports Absolutely welcome. Good to see you here. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:50:58] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Right. We’re seeing a lot of evidence of a widening content divide in all areas of publiishing. #editorchat #Editorchat

[20:50:58] JaneFriedman: Q1. Rather than generate all-new content, big push to re-purpose existing content in different ways, in different media. #editorchat

[20:51:02] LydiaBreakfast: @SuburbNews Hello! Thanks for multi-tasking πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:51:26] LydiaBreakfast: @JaneFriedman And how do you approach this? #editorchat

[20:51:34] JMegonigal: Q1- Absolutely. Do more with less. Lots of interns, lots of work for editor. #editorchat.

[20:51:35] milehighfool: @SuburbNews Multitasker. (Grin.) #editorchat

[20:51:44] SmetanasGlasses: Hi, all. #editorchat I’m late, but am a freelance writer in NYC, writing about food, Prague, publishing, and occasionally about dumplings.

[20:51:53] KatPowers: Can you help? Explain “content divide” #editorchat

[20:52:03] hinder: Q1. for teen site we are trying to create more but shorter content to drive eyes but not tie up time. #editorchat

[20:52:10] SuburbNews: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks, Lydia #editorchat

[20:52:13] LydiaBreakfast: @SmetanasGlasses Welcome πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:52:18] RandyCowling: Yes…the push for content is for a variety of projects – print, online, special scts and magazines #editorchat

[20:52:18] milehighfool: @JaneFriedman Re-issuing updated versions of classic ediitions? Have a recent example? #editorchat

[20:52:18] luckychica: @Single_Shot Thanks! good to “see” you #editorchat

[20:52:30] JMegonigal: Q1- Necessary to give readers MORE and MORE to stay above the noise and keep from fading out like other pubs/papers… #editorchat

[20:52:34] SmetanasGlasses: For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep. πŸ™‚

[20:52:40] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers produce more content with less staff and resources #editorchat

[20:52:53] milehighfool: When we talk about this we wonder if our editors — all of them — are going a little crazy. #editorchat

[20:53:11] rachelcw: Hi all, I’m Rachel Weingarten – author/freelance writer with a day job in marketing & promotions. #editorchat

[20:53:14] rjreports: @jennipps Yay! Thank you #editorchat

[20:53:31] JaneFriedman: Q1. E.g., think of different ways to repurpose a book – sell it chapter-by-chapter (digitally), have courses based on book, etc #editorchat

[20:53:45] LydiaBreakfast: @rachelcw Hiya Rachel #editorchat

[20:53:54] milehighfool: @KatPowers Sure. Content divide refers to increasing demand for content put upon smaller staffs and lower budgets. #editorchat

[20:54:03] ErikSherman: Q1: What are the quality consequences of “give us more with a lot fewer resources”? #editorchat

[20:54:05] BourkePR: Hi all, Kevin here from @BourkePR…can a PR guy join the conversation? #editorchat

[20:54:08] JaneFriedman: Q1. Or … book content is adapted for magazine. Magazine content compiled into books. #editorchat

[20:54:20] dodgemedlin: Q1 I guess part of the question is, would you rather have more content or better content? Or can you do both? #editorchat

[20:54:25] rachelcw: Hi Lydia, hi all- I’ve missed you the past few weeks! #editorchat

[20:54:26] JMegonigal: @milehighfool How much do you REALLY have to wonder (if the editors are crazy?) #editorchat

[20:54:35] LydiaBreakfast: @JaneFriedman Seems like we are going back to Dickensian serial publishing πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:54:45] jennipps: @JaneFriedman About courses based on book – would that somehow/sometimes revert to the writer or would that be done in-house? #editorchat

[20:54:55] littlebrownpen: @JaneFriedman I know a few bloggers who are repurposing blog content #editorchat

[20:54:58] deegospel: q1: there is a need for more content, spesh content that can translate to digital in order to keep up #editorchat

[20:55:00] milehighfool: @JaneFriedman Almost like a freelancer that repurposes and resells content. A time-tested strategy. #editorchat

[20:55:06] LydiaBreakfast: @BourkePR Hi Kevin, you are welcome to observe #editorchat

[20:55:11] deegospel: q1: on top of that there is the stress of providing unique content also #editorchat

[20:55:11] SmetanasGlasses: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:55:23] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Hahahahahahaha. Point taken. #editorchat

[20:55:41] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast I had the same thought (Dickensian serial publishing) last night! #editorchat

[20:55:41] KatPowers: RT@ JMegonigal @milehighfool How much do you REALLY have to wonder (if the editors are crazy?) #editorchat

[20:55:44] rjreports: Q1 As a freelance journo, I’m seeing that folks want A) more content for B) much less. #editorchat

[20:55:45] milehighfool: @dodgemedlin Exactly, Mark. That’s the divide — can it be crossed? #editorchat

[20:55:45] merylkevans: @littlebrownpen I have almost nine years of blog entries — not all can be repurposed, but I do look at them for ideas. #editorchat

[20:56:11] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Except publications are more frequently looking for all rights to keep freelancers from doing that. #editorchat

[20:56:26] rachelcw: @LydiaBreakfast what’s interesting is how the biz evolved since & has devolved once again, perhaps serialization could work now #editorchat

[20:56:44] SpecialDee: Q1 No directives here to do more with less. #editorchat

[20:56:47] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman right, there are quality consequences of “give us more with a lot fewer resources” #editorchat

[20:56:49] bobbbyg: @rachelcw Hi Rachel – I’m Rob Gould a new media/pr strategist working in the advertising industry #editorchat

[20:56:52] TimOBrienNYT: howdy #editorchat

[20:56:59] jennipps: @rjreports Q1 – I’ve noticed that too. Sometimes I willing to do the more for less, but not always. #editorchat

[20:57:05] SuburbNews: Q1: Absolutely do more with less. Agree w/@deegospel about more frequent online updates – we’re all AP now – blogs, twitter etal #editorchat

[20:57:09] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Yes. I’ve seen that as well. Sign of the economic times? #editorchat

[20:57:12] dodgemedlin: @milehighfool I think it can be crossed, but there’s nothing wrong with part of your “content” being outbound links. #editorchat

[20:57:18] BourkePR: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! It’s valuable to hear what you guys r going thru. My view is, ppl like me should be here to help… #editorchat

[20:57:22] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Brilliant you are a lucky duck #editorchat

[20:57:24] JaneFriedman: @LydiaBreakfast Dickensian is a very apt term. Just look at success of DailyLit! iPhones/mobile devices driving this. #editorchat

[20:57:26] littlebrownpen: @rachelcw I agree. I’ve actually considered it for a project I am working on. #editorchat

[20:57:44] rjreports: @jennipps Me too. Sometimes I have to. Though I do remind myself that I have to eat. Yanno? #editorchat

[20:57:50] milehighfool: @JaneFriedman That seems like something writers could benefit from. A win-win. Does it create more work? #editorchat

[20:58:00] GLHancock: Biz iz devolving in terms of pay, too. #editorchat

[20:58:01] JMegonigal: From an editor’s POV, we are doing much more for far less, too…it’s not just the writers. Goes all the way through. #editorchat

[20:58:12] JDEbberly: @TimOBrienNYT Hi there, Tim. Welcome to Editorchat! Glad to have you this evening. #Editorchat

[20:58:24] milehighfool: RT @dodgemedlin: I think it can be crossed, but there’s nothing wrong with part of your “content” being outbound links. (Amen.) #editorchat

[20:58:30] JaneFriedman: @jennipps We always prefer to work with authors when creating courses based on books. Sometimes authors too busy/not interested. #editorchat

[20:58:30] rachelcw: @littlebrownpen I think the key would be to keep it from becoming too advertorial (as it was initially) too much crossover as is #editorchat

[20:58:34] LydiaBreakfast: Friendly reminder to all newbies: we love our PR tweeps and they are welcome to observe but we want the writers and eds to talk #editorchat

[20:58:52] JMegonigal: Less ads = less money = more pressure to be better than competition (to stay alive) = more work/content #editorchat

[20:58:55] DavidRozansky: #editorchat Please push for people to reply with r as first character, for #fixreplies situation, especially in discussion groups.

[20:59:03] JaneFriedman: @littlebrownpen That’s another huge area – repurposing blog stuff. If it’s good enough for Seth Godin … #editorchat

[20:59:08] KBordessa: RT @JMegonigal From an editor’s POV, we are doing much more for far less, too…it’s not just the writers. Goes all the way thru #editorchat

[20:59:14] jennipps: @rjreports Definitely & since I haven’t been seriously fl’ing for long, it’s like do I do it for the clip/experience + $ or not. #editorchat

[20:59:16] LatinoBookNews: @luckychica well tell us mor & let me highlight you on BronzeWord & b interviewed by Mayra&I’ll post you on her how abt it? 4got #editorch

[20:59:17] milehighfool: @TimOBrienNYT Hey Tim. First time in editorchat for you, I think. Welcome. #editorchat

[20:59:23] DavidRozansky: MY first #editorchat. AM I invited?

[20:59:26] shortformernie: Q1: My last paper, OH BOY, before it closed, it was getting clamped big time. Express has yet to feel the clamp. #editorchat

[20:59:29] hinder: @JMegonigal So true. All of a sudden I’m creating content, editing content, tweeting, blogging, dealing with interns… #editorchat

[21:00:06] milehighfool: RT @JaneFriedman:That’s another huge area – repurposing blog stuff. If it’s good enough for Seth Godin … #editorchat

[21:00:13] rjreports: @jennipps It’s a toss up. Money or more to add to the clip file. These days, I’m more about the money… #editorchat

[21:00:23] ChinaMatt: I really should get involved in a trending topic and I guess this is the best one for me–seeing as it’s my profession. #editorchat

[21:00:34] jennipps: @JaneFriedman On one hand, I can understand the too busy thing, but the not interested aspect of it boggles my mind. (I’m odd._ #editorchat

[21:00:37] TimOBrienNYT: @milehighfool good to partake! #editorchat

[21:00:37] LydiaBreakfast: @TimOBrienNYT Tim, noticed you are writing a book too, so chime in from the book and paper perspective if you can #editorchat

[21:00:41] shortformernie: Q1: At Link, our top editor wanted everyone to blog on top of all of their other duties, we didn’t replace our only photog, etc. #editorchat

[21:00:56] deegospel: @JMegonigal exactly I wrote a post about the decline of religious columns in local paper lack of ad dollars from faith based biz #editorchat

[21:01:03] milehighfool: Is another way to cross the divide to raise prices — set the bar for content high and then exceed? (Fingers crossed.) #editorchat

[21:01:26] LydiaBreakfast: @DavidRozansky yes you are πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:01:31] jennipps: @rjreports Understood. The day job is still a benefit so sometimes I can take the “for experience/less pay” things. #editorchat

[21:01:33] JaneFriedman: @milehighfool It does create more work, but one hopes it’s worth it. #editorchat

[21:01:33] journik: Tim, do you know any education legislators/journalists? I want’em to know: http://bit.ly/xGVpy RT @TimOBrienNYT: howdy #editorchat #hackedu

[21:01:42] GLHancock: Publishers offer jobs at less than a penny a word. For me, authors/writers don’t want to pay even one cent a word for editing. #editorchat

[21:01:53] SpecialDee: Q1 Special Sections produces over 65 themed supplements each year. I hire freelancers to write for most of them. #editorchat

[21:01:55] TimOBrienNYT: @milehighfool theme for the evening? #editorchat

[21:01:57] dodgemedlin: @milehighfool Alan Mutter (I think) suggested just that – treating newspapers as a niche product, and charging appropriately. #editorchat

[21:01:58] JMegonigal: @hinder Yep. We only assign features. Me and small team do ALL departments, unpaid experts write columns. BARE BONES. #editorchat

[21:02:18] shortformernie: Q1: I think blog content should be repurposed in print, big time. Sometimes, good editing is a matter of knowing what to steal. #editorchat

[21:02:18] ChinaMatt: @JMegonigal The more work/content going on in newspapers creates less in-depth articles and leads to more errors. #editorchat

[21:02:21] retheauditors: Thanks. Got distracted. Just published my blog to Kindle. I’ll get paid? RT @LydiaBreakfast: @retheauditors So glad you came! #editorchat

[21:02:39] littlebrownpen: @JMegonigal that must be incredibly frustrating. #editorchat

[21:02:42] milehighfool: @dodgemedlin Yes. Had a chance to interview him recently. Like his ideas. #editorchat

[21:02:52] TamarahLand: @DavidRozansky not having a problem seeing replies, though, without the “r” in front of the “@” #editorchat #fixreplies

[21:03:08] shortformernie: Q1: And being able to find content from blogs is killer — it’s one of those work smarter not harder things you can do. #editorchat

[21:03:16] wordful: Q1: Writing quality content consistently is a massive challenge. Here’s an example using Techcrunch: http://tiny.cc/MyU6b #editorchat

[21:03:27] JMegonigal: @milehighfool raise prices on what? Subs? Ads? #editorchat

[21:03:32] TimOBrienNYT: @shortformernie more complicated than just lifting if you want to build quality long term #editorchat

[21:04:01] JJtweets: Q1-As a freelance journo, I’ve seen rising demand for coverage ‘depth’ rather than ‘breadth’. Spending more time researching now #editorchat

[21:04:13] wordful: @shortformernie Oh yeah, that’s right Ernie. Geniuses steal and beggars borrow. #editorchat

[21:04:15] JaneFriedman: @milehighfool Mantra at F+W: raise prices, raise prices, raise prices. Works in some areas, not others, must be market approp. #editorchat

[21:04:21] hinder: We’re taking on more unpaid/barely paid interns. They blog, write little articles and drive eyes. Fills the void of real writers #editorchat

[21:04:28] LydiaBreakfast: Given my experience with @JMegonigal and her team, they are doing a bang up job :)does this mean we should always work w/ less? #editorchat

[21:04:29] maggierauch: seems that branching out into business and continuing to blog/write is more acceptable in the current media climate #editorchat

[21:04:48] milehighfool: @TimOBrienNYT Right. That’s the brand promise of the Times, which just raised prices. What about more in-depth? More features? #editorchat

[21:05:00] rjreports: @TimOBrienNYT Pardon my ignorance, but what branch of the Times do you work for? Comp too slow to google and chat… #editorchat

[21:05:02] JMegonigal: @ChinaMatt True – in papers. I’m in mags…we spend time to cover ourselves more. But same problem exists. #editorchat

[21:05:30] milehighfool: @JaneFriedman And matched to product, yes? In-depth features, detailed how-to books should command more. #editorchat

[21:05:48] ErikSherman: Q1: Blogging can serve as a development ground for topics and concepts. #editorchat

[21:05:55] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Anyone see the proposal to shut down original content from papers, wire services for a week? #editorchat

[21:05:59] shortformernie: @TimOBrienNYT Of course. But if you dig with a shovel rather than a bulldozer, it takes longer. #editorchat

[21:06:03] travelswithjenn: @JJtweets as a writer, I’m also noticing I have more time on stories because editors are aggregating a lot more #editorchat

[21:06:03] retheauditors: Q1 #editorchat I have millions of words on my blog. Repurposing by writing shorter, punchier pieces on same topic for HuffPost and others.

[21:06:09] JMegonigal: @littlebrownpen A bit. But we know how little we can work with — we can only move up from here. #editorchat

[21:06:31] shortformernie: @TimOBrienNYT However, you can’t get the details with the bulldozer. Really, you need both tools. #editorchat

[21:06:45] rachelcw: Publishers buried their heads in the sand instead of evolving and writers/editors/consumers are paying 4 their repeated mistakes #editorchat

[21:07:15] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast Absolutely NOT. Just know what you can do for a season while you make adjustments for the future. #editorchat

[21:07:16] DavidRozansky: r @TamarahLand Only of those you are following, though. Not on your follow list, not there. #editorchat #fixreplies

[21:07:22] milehighfool: @hinder Do they learn anything from it? My worry is that quick-hit writing is like compiling a box score. #editorchat

[21:07:23] JaneFriedman: @milehighfool Yes, in-depth content costs more, interactive/personalization costs more, immediacy costs more. #editorchat

[21:07:37] JMegonigal: @lydiabreakfast Mama ain’t running no non-profit, here… #editorchat

[21:07:43] hinder: @travelswithjenn true. One of the pubs I write for has be aggregating at least once a day. To get the news up fast. #editorchat

[21:07:46] retheauditors: Q1 Also planning to combine posts where I’ve written several times same topic into longer piece, a la Rolling Stones $AIG story #editorchat

[21:07:47] Single_Shot: @BeckyDMBR Have not seen the original content shutdown proposal. Do you have a link? #editorchat

[21:07:49] galleysmith: Q: What is the best way to break into the freelance market #editorchat

[21:07:53] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR No. Where is it? #editorchat

[21:08:01] deegospel: RT @JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast Absolutely NOT. Just know what you can do for a season while u make adjustments for the future. #editorchat

[21:08:03] LydiaBreakfast: @JaneFriedman The fact is some pubs are doing well with fewer resources, does that mean we should always operate this way? #editorchat

[21:08:04] AuldHouse: Q1 for my dayjob as an tech editor I’m now in charge of planning books, elearning, and courseware–3 jobs in 1 and source #editorchat

[21:08:46] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot I’ll go look. #editorchat

[21:08:54] hinder: @milehighfool No, the interns don’t learn much about writing as a result, unfortunately. But they do learn the importance of SM #editorchat

[21:09:05] DavidRozansky: Q1 #editorchat Flying Pen Press has no staff writers. We are 100% community driven. Weare moving away from slush pile to pick from Net.

[21:09:13] TimOBrienNYT: @milehighfool the Web works against feature to an extent. the whole notion of what a “feature” is has to evolve online #editorchat

[21:09:18] rachelcw: @galleysmith there is no one right way to break in, but joining a freelance group online is a great start #editorchat

[21:09:30] milehighfool: @galleysmith Hi there. Either Lydia or I would be happy to answer this for you outside this forum, which is an industry chat. #editorchat

[21:09:37] rjreports: @DavidRozansky ‘Slush pile.’ Haven’t heard this term in an AGE. #editorchat

[21:09:48] JMegonigal: @milehighfool Prob with raising prices is ppl are getting more used to free content. Won’t pay unless it is HIGH value to them. #editorchat

[21:09:51] JaneFriedman: @LydiaBreakfast Fewer resources can mean lower quality. You cut corners, do it “good enough.” Doesn’t help long-term survival. #editorchat

[21:10:16] milehighfool: @hinder You could argue that, in the age of the Web, SM skills are crucial for writing and reader engagement. #editorchat

[21:10:18] hinder: @LydiaBreakfast true. But while some pubs do well, in general our writing is getting watered down across the board. #editorchat

[21:10:32] maggierauch: @LydiaBreakfast Don’t think so. Will eventually lose talented people that way. #editorchat

[21:10:36] LydiaBreakfast: @JaneFriedman agreed, also feel the same about low pay for writers and editors #editorchat

[21:10:48] retheauditors: Fewer resources means I have a niche. There are no accounting industrybeat reporters anywhere in US. #editorchat

[21:10:48] JaneFriedman: @LydiaBreakfast It’s frustrating to experience tight resources when you know superior content is key to pushing thru the noise. #editorchat

[21:10:58] TimOBrienNYT: @rjreports i oversee the Sunday Business section of the Times and help oversee feature projects. and am writing a thriller. #editorchat

[21:11:09] milehighfool: @TimOBrienNYT Agreed. Most of my work is published on the Web and less than 800 words. #editorchat

[21:11:11] jennipps: @milehighfool A lot of people do argue that. I think there’s def something to be said for it. #editorchat

[21:11:11] GLHancock: For newpapers, fewer resources seems to mean less local coverage, which readers can get online. #editorchat

[21:11:22] hinder: @milehighfool Yup. I’m a firm believer that SM should be taught in our J schools and should be a normal part of a writers life. #editorchat

[21:11:41] deegospel: q1: @maggierauch I agree. I left the mag I wrote for 4 years ago, cuz they paid so little. I made more blogging #editorchat

[21:11:51] ChinaMatt: @retheauditors Wow, that is a niche market. Maybe I should start working in something like that. #editorchat

[21:11:53] DavidRozansky: r @JaneFriedman We ahve found that crowdsourcing RAISES the quality. #editorchat

[21:11:54] jennipps: RT @milehighfool @hinder You could argue that, in the age of the Web, SM skills are crucial for writing and reader engagement #editorchat

[21:12:03] rjreports: @TimOBrienNYT Sounds excellent on both counts. I love the Times, (am an NYC expat.) I know a guy over at the Culture Desk. #editorchat

[21:12:14] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Yes, but I feel as though this poorly-conceived wisdom. Have we really tried new things and asked for more? #editorchat

[21:12:25] wordful: In blogging, there’s no such thing as a “feature,” per se. Either it’s a long post or a short post. Each has its own merit. #editorchat

[21:12:41] retheauditors: @milehighfool I’ve re-blogged w/update some posts. My audience is growing like crazy and most don’t lok back to earlier posts. #editorchat

[21:13:13] TimOBrienNYT: @milehighfool brevity can work against more probing stuff. by and large, though, brevity is good. #editorchat

[21:13:17] JDEbberly: RT @hinder You could argue that, in the age of the Web, SM skills are crucial for writing and reader engagement #Editorchat

[21:13:17] JDEbberly: RT @hinder You could argue that, in the age of the Web, SM skills are crucial for writing and reader engagement #Editorchat

[21:13:32] retheauditors: Google any bank and word auditor… It’s neato RT @ChinaMatt: @retheauditors Wow, that is a niche market. … #editorchat

[21:14:00] JDEbberly: Sorry about the double Tweet #Editorchat

[21:14:09] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot Here’s the petition. http://bit.ly/mylKn Looking for video now. #editorchat

[21:14:10] LydiaBreakfast: @TimOBrienNYT The Times is one of the few papers left to really invest in long form, I think there is room for both #editorchat

[21:14:14] TimOBrienNYT: @rjreports we at the Times love that you love the Times. we love our readers! #editorchat

[21:14:23] milehighfool: @TimOBrienNYT No question. Twitter is a fine example. Yet I wonder in the age of Twitter we’ve lost good storytelling. #editorchat

[21:14:36] SpecialDee: Q1 I think we’ll see even more widespread use of RSS feeds: 4 editorial (news wires) and 4 advertorial; hard 2 find local RSS #editorchat

[21:14:37] littlebrownpen: Organizing blog posts so new readers have a true understanding of who you are and what you write about is a challenge. #editorchat

[21:14:43] deegospel: q1: @wordful it would depend on the blog. My features R integrated with my podcast, so my subscribers prep 4 more content #editorchat

[21:14:56] Single_Shot: @TimOBrienNYT It’s the soul of lingerie. ; ) #editorchat

[21:14:57] ErikSherman: @JaneFriedman The problem is getting publishers to understand that content isn’t just typing. #editorchat

[21:15:19] GLHancock: @TimOBrienNYT Without the Times News Service, the Union-Tribune (San Diego) would have no front page or A section copy! #editorchat

[21:15:19] retheauditors: A given @milehighfool: @hinder You could argue that, in the age of Web, SM skills crucial for writing and reader engagement. #editorchat

[21:15:26] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s move to Q2 Writers: Are editors asking you to produce more? What’s changed in your output routine? #editorchat

[21:15:29] rachelcw: @TimOBrienNYT the content in print pubs sometimes feels a bit outside looking in on the e versions, less engaged more bewildered #editorchat

[21:15:31] JMegonigal: @JaneFriedman It CAN mean lower quality, but doesn’t have to. Could just mean better streamlining, organization, resourcing #editorchat

[21:15:35] wordful: @littlebrownpen well-spoken. I agree. It’s certainly a crafty editorial function. #editorchat

[21:15:41] JJtweets: You can still have a short piece that’s beeen heavily researched. Packs more punch that way & gets more reads. #editorchat

[21:15:46] shortformernie: @milehighfool Good storytelling’s still there — the secret is that the storytellers have learned to cut down their writing. #editorchat

[21:15:56] rjreports: @GLHancock You at the U-T? #editorchat

[21:16:00] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen Right. The best blogs read like a good magazine — quick hits mixed with strong features. #editorchat

[21:16:06] AuldHouse: @LydiaBreakfast I agree there is room for both long and short forms. #editorchat

[21:16:37] retheauditors: Q2 Editors seems to want it faster and are less concerned about perfection as long as piece hits buttons. #editorchat

[21:16:39] Single_Shot: @BeckyDMBR Thanx for link on proposal – will check it out! #editorchat

[21:16:40] TimOBrienNYT: @LydiaBreakfast we need both, for sure. SunBiz is like a mini-magazine, feature driven. but Twitter paced brevity is great, too #editorchat

[21:16:41] jennipps: q2 @LydiaBreakfast I have one editor who wants article only. I have another who wants an image to go with every article #editorchat

[21:16:48] LydiaBreakfast: Related – Q2 Writers: Are editors asking you to produce more? What’s changed in your output routine? #editorchat

[21:16:54] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Let’s move to Q2 Writers: Are editors asking you to produce more? What’s changed in your output routine? #editorchat

[21:17:06] GLHancock: @rjreports LOL, no, I read it. #editorchat

[21:17:20] dodgemedlin: @GLHancock We do use a lot of NYT, but when we need wire copy, we use plenty of AP, WashPost and McClatchy as well. #editorchat

[21:17:25] milehighfool: @shortformernie Very true, Ernie. You’re one of the best at that. #editorchat

[21:17:26] wordful: RT @milehighfool The best blogs read like a good magazine — quick hits mixed with strong features. Sounds right to me. #editorchat

[21:17:29] JMegonigal: @milehighfool Overall, across the board? No. Media has done the same thing and wanted to be paid for mediocrity, IMHO. #editorchat

[21:17:29] rjreports: @GLHancock LOL. #editorchat

[21:17:30] TimOBrienNYT: @milehighfool we’ll NEVER lose good storytelling. we just have to be judicious about when and how we deploy narrative. #editorchat

[21:17:51] littlebrownpen: Q2. I’m being asked to write more, but the more popular request is to loop in social media contacts. #editorchat

[21:17:55] rachelcw: @LydiaBreakfast in many instances,it feels like more for less philosophy rules. Routine changes in alloting less time per piece #editorchat

[21:17:58] JMegonigal: @milehighfool But those who CAN step above the competition and prove their value can raise their prices #editorchat

[21:18:05] KatPowers: Q2 I don’t think as an editor I’m asking for more. I think what I ask for is more focused and more targeted #editorchat

[21:18:12] LydiaBreakfast: The new biz model for newspapers, mags and online pubs really needs to have a good balance of short and long, and multimedia #editorchat

[21:18:13] hinder: @LydiaBreakfast Q2 one of the pubs brought me on to do 2 stories a day. Now I write 3-4 and will begin taped interviews for ‘TV’ #editorchat

[21:18:21] TimOBrienNYT: @rachelcw that the beauty of the Web. it’s forcing MSM to become more directly engaged. #editorchat

[21:18:25] GLHancock: @dodgemedlin So I’ve noticed for quite a while. Are you still at the UT? Today? #editorchat

[21:18:38] jennipps: q2 So I got used to doing articles & then had to learn to find/take pictures that would go w/articles w/o violating copyright. #editorchat

[21:18:38] davidbdale: Regional mag editors want more content w/commercial tie-ins. Food, docs, “best of” issues. Content they can sell ads around. #editorchat

[21:18:45] retheauditors: @TimOBrienNYT But do you have the patience for longer pieces that take time to percolate? Seems cycle too fast. No patience. #editorchat

[21:18:45] rjreports: Q2 I don’t know if I’m being asked to write MORE… Just more niche, with more controversy and juice. #editorchat

[21:18:58] Single_Shot: RT @ErikSherman @JaneFriedman The problem is getting publishers to understand that content isn’t just typing. *Love this* #editorchat

[21:19:02] DavidRozansky: Q2 #Editorchat Being that I am head editor and publisher here, I answer form that side: Writers need to be more flexible in job description.

[21:19:06] milehighfool: @TimOBrienNYT Glad to hear it, Tim. Also: I think that great storytelling can be a competitive advantage. #editorchat

[21:19:08] TimOBrienNYT: @GLHancock wow. glad we’re meeting your needs! #editorchat

[21:19:31] dodgemedlin: @GLHancock I’m still at the U-T today, and for the foreseeable future. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:19:37] hotspringer: Q2: Editors asking for same story in multiple formats. Next month, I write for print; rewrite for web; Tweet live from festival. #editorchat

[21:19:37] milehighfool: @JMegonigal You just wrote the magic word: prove. #editorchat

[21:19:38] rachelcw: @TimOBrienNYT and ’tis a beautiful if slowly evolving thing indeed! #editorchat

[21:19:50] retheauditors: @rjreports I even have to “sex-up” accounting! #editorchat

[21:19:54] rjreports: GLHancock but I assume you’re another SD journo/editor? #editorchat

[21:20:02] TimOBrienNYT: @retheauditors we know our Sunday readers have the patience. but we built that over time. people usually don’t during the week. #editorchat

[21:20:14] AuldHouse: @Jenbenjenben I can attest! One of the best editors I’ve worked with! #editorchat

[21:20:19] deegospel: q2: EIC are hungry for more content @hotspringer I get the same requests for live tweeting #editorchat

[21:20:20] littlebrownpen: @DavidRozansky absolutely agree. #editorchat

[21:20:20] rjreports: @retheauditors “Sex up.” YES. That’s what they say… #editorchat

[21:20:36] ChinaMatt: @retheauditors Is that really possible? I’m tempted to read about sexed-up accounting now. #editorchat

[21:20:38] TimOBrienNYT: @rachelcw agreed. it’s an exciting, profound time. #editorchat

[21:20:58] standupkid: The image of sexed up accountants makes me want to run for the exits, to be honest. #editorchat

[21:21:03] GLHancock: @rjreports Yes. Freelance editor, sometimes still writer. I pray for you guys! #editorchat

[21:21:08] ErikSherman: Q2: Editors often have less to assign. #editorchat

[21:21:20] travelswithjenn: Q2 for one pub I write for I’m being asked to write more enterprise pieces, they’re aggregating more from sister pubs #editorchat

[21:21:37] retheauditors: @TimOBrienNYT My favorite piece recently was on Madoff the sociopath. New info. #editorchat

[21:21:57] milehighfool: @retheauditors Not sure finance needs an edge — look at the egregious crap in most 8-Ks — but clarity is key. #editorchat

[21:21:58] wordful: @TimOBrienNYT so it seems more an issue of understanding reader’s habits and rhythms. How would this work on the web though? #editorchat

[21:21:58] rjreports: @GLHancock Yeah, freelance journos need all the support we can get! Your prayers are appreciated! #editorchat

[21:22:03] littlebrownpen: @rjreports agree to the “sexing up.” I’ve had some funny requests related to sexy copy. #editorchat

[21:22:14] rachelcw: @TimOBrienNYT to play devil’s advocate,we’ve said that for a while, how can we ensure the right kind of changes stick this time? #editorchat

[21:22:19] DavidRozansky: r @littlebrownpen Please use the new r-prefix twitterquette in public space. #editorchat

[21:22:24] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot Found video: http://bit.ly/cdOdC, TJ Sullivan, What if newspapers didn’t exist for a week? #editorchat

[21:22:26] milehighfool: @travelswithjenn “Enterprise pieces?” #editorchat

[21:22:26] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast Q2 – I make my writers jump through hoops. 30 minute turnarounds and such. And they LOVE me for it. LOL #editorchat

[21:22:48] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Are your regulars cutting back on assignments? #editorchat

[21:22:59] rachelcw: @JMegonigal or at least that’s what they say to your face πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:23:14] KatPowers: @BeckyDMBR If my newspaper didn’t exist for a week, 15 blogs would fill that space I left behind #editorchat

[21:23:17] TamarahLand: thus the reason for sex-ing it up RT @ChinaMatt Is that really possible? I’m tempted to read about sexed-up accounting now #editorchat

[21:23:41] retheauditors: What I write if you’re not in the biz I must add hooks, spice RT @milehighfool: @retheauditors Not sure finance needs edge…#editorchat

[21:23:45] standupkid: My experience at a NYC paper is that some are assigned long for Sunday, the rest churn out short, punchy and FAST. #editorchat

[21:24:05] SpecialDee: Q2 Special Sections has always – for at least 10 years that I’m aware of – asked writers to take photos. #editorchat

[21:24:05] deegospel: RT @KatPowers: @BeckyDMBR If my newspaper didn’t exist for a week, 15 blogs would fill that space I left behind #editorchat

[21:24:19] wordful: RT @KatPowers If my newspaper didn’t exist for a week, 15 blogs would fill that space I left behind. Ha! #editorchat

[21:24:39] travelswithjenn: @milehighfool you know, more in depth pieces #editorchat

[21:24:56] Single_Shot: @BeckyDMBR Cool thanks! Will watch this as soon as I finish sexing up my prostate cancer story. #editorchat

[21:25:03] milehighfool: @retheauditors Agreed re hooks. There’s always a risk in oversexing copy, no? #editorchat

[21:25:21] retheauditors: Q2 Good photos very good for biz @SpecialDee: Q2 Special Sections has always…asked writers to take photos. #editorchat

[21:25:24] CathyWebSavvyPR: @elysa talk with the #biztwit folks. don’t know – this is the 4th week of our chat. #editorchat is 8-10 but diff crowd? #SmallBizChat

[21:25:32] cursingeditor: Agreed. @KatPowers If my newspaper didn’t exist for a week, 15 blogs would fill that space I left behind. #editorchat

[21:25:53] shortformernie: @Single_Shot Prostate cancer? That sounds hard to do. #editorchat

[21:26:12] merylkevans: One write for a respected paper is starting to sound like a tabloid writer. #editorchat

[21:26:31] Single_Shot: @shortformernie Kidding! #editorchat

[21:26:35] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot Favorite phrase of the day: “…sexing up my prostate cancer story.” πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:26:46] retheauditors: @milehighfool I avoid cleavage, but have used term “circle jerk ” in blog and Huff Post in ref to exec compenssation. Winner. #editorchat

[21:26:53] JMegonigal: @rachelcw THAT is true. #editorchat

[21:27:07] shortformernie: Here’s an interesting thought — it seems like what’s happening with newspapers is the opposite of what’s happened in retail. #editorchat

[21:27:10] standupkid: Isn’t length–to an extent–affected by attention spans and page clicks online? How much do editors really think print and wood #editorchat

[21:27:12] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans Agreed, seems like some are changing their voice to be more sexy (and failing) #editorchat

[21:27:13] littlebrownpen: @retheauditors That’s good to know for a photo junkie like me. Should be pitching more stories with photos. #editorchat

[21:27:15] wordful: RT BeckyDMBR @Single_Shot Favorite phrase of the day: “…sexing up my prostate cancer story.” πŸ™‚ #sarcasm #editorchat

[21:27:33] KatPowers: @shortformernie explain #editorchat

[21:27:36] milehighfool: @shortformernie As in? #editorchat

[21:27:47] LydiaBreakfast: @retheauditors wonder what the SEO implications of that phrase are πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:27:48] DavidRozansky: r @milehighfool If by “Oversexing copy” you mean making it more attracgtive to readers, tehn no, there really isn’t. #editorchat #editorchat

[21:27:52] rachelcw: @shortformernie how do you figure that? #editorchat

[21:28:07] merylkevans: @LydiaBreakfast It disappoints me the editors are allowing this. Writer’s actions make the rest of us scramble to prove wrong. #editorchat

[21:28:14] milehighfool: @retheauditors At the Huff Post? No doubt. Your editor must love you for that one. #editorchat

[21:28:22] BeckyDMBR: @KatPowers I’m not sure it will do what he thinks it will, but I’m intrigued by the concept. (cont’d…) #editorchat

[21:28:29] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast LOL. #editorchat

[21:28:39] retheauditors: I feel somehow responsible for introducing a trending topic here, #sexingup #editorchat

[21:28:54] BeckyDMBR: @KatPowers Many successful blogs couldn’t do what they do without STEALING content, images, etc. #editorchat

[21:29:01] KatPowers: @BeckyDMBR this is a fabulous time because everything can be tried right now. some may work #editorchat

[21:29:14] milehighfool: @DavidRozansky Disagree. Hype can kill a story — the line between sex and proper perspective is thin but important, I think. #editorchat

[21:29:16] ErikSherman: @milehighfool One went bimonthly, but I still get regular work. However, I know many writers who are high and dry. #editorchat

[21:29:32] TimOBrienNYT: @retheauditors oh cool. that was a nice piece. we had a good one, slightly related, on Palm Beach recently #editorchat

[21:29:34] shortformernie: With retail, the big boxes — Walmart — killed the boutiques. With newspapers/media, the boutiques are the cool place to go now. #editorchat

[21:29:35] BeckyDMBR: @SpecialDee Q2: Good thing about our special sections? They pay extra for photos. #editorchat

[21:29:44] rachelcw: Am I the only one who has issues with HuffPost and others making $ without compensating their writers? or have they started? #editorchat

[21:30:15] shortformernie: For our media, we’re willing to go to 50 places to read about it; but for our stuff, we want to go to as few places as possible. #editorchat

[21:30:32] milehighfool: @shortformernie And the trades. And the blogs. Specialists are earning their keep — writers and publishers. #editorchat

[21:30:41] jennipps: @rachelcw No, you’re not the only one. And I put pay-per-click sites in the same boat. #editorchat

[21:30:46] DavidRozansky: r @retheauditors You are now to be quoted as the inventor of the term “Sexing up the copy.” #sexingup #editorchat lol

[21:30:53] LydiaBreakfast: @rachelcw I have issues with that – remember my schtick about writers who work for a pittance are no better than piece workers #editorchat

[21:30:56] GinaLaGuardia: @LydiaBreakfast Sorry I’m missing #editorchat (up to my eyeballs in proofreading), but wanted to say thanks for the great article!

[21:31:06] retheauditors: Speak for yourself. πŸ™‚ Guilty re images @BeckyDMBR Many successful blogs couldn’t do what they do without STEALING content #editorchat

[21:31:12] JDEbberly: RT @DavidRozansky: r @retheauditors You are now to be quoted as the inventor of the term “Sexing up the copy.” #sexingup #editorchat lol …

[21:31:15] AuldHouse: @rachelcw No, you are not the only one. #editorchat

[21:31:17] BeckyDMBR: @rachelcw No, absolutely not, you’re not alone. I’m right there with you. #editorchat

[21:31:19] milehighfool: Let’s get back to editrs. How does this divide affect you? What extra work are you doing? #editorchat

[21:31:24] travelswithjenn: @shortformernie well, we don’t have to drive anywhere to get our media #editorchat

[21:31:32] deegospel: @rachelcw no, that’s why i don’t write for them #editorchat

[21:31:35] LydiaBreakfast: @GinaLaGuardia wheee! Thank you for the opportunity, great fun! #editorchat

[21:31:41] TimOBrienNYT: @Wordful it’s all about readers’ rhythms and habits, which the Web is reordering, via mobility and multiple info sources. #editorchat

[21:31:43] dodgemedlin: @shortformernie Yep, and thank god for RSS readers. #editorchat

[21:31:45] ChinaMatt: All this talk of writing and editing is making think I should get working on the TV script I’ve had in my head. #editorchat

[21:31:46] rachelcw: @jennipps @lydiabreakfast @beckydmbr- yeah, I just feel like every now and again I have to fan those flames πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:31:58] BeckyDMBR: @rachelcw A handful are paid (sometimes in something other than $$$). The rest? Nope. #editorchat

[21:32:16] AuldHouse: @rachelcw The joker says, “If you are good at something, never do it for free. #editorchat

[21:32:21] SpecialDee: Same here. RT @BeckyDMBR: @SpecialDee Q2: Good thing about our special sections? They pay extra for photos. #editorchat

[21:32:21] wordful: @TimOBrienNYT seems like we don’t yet have a grasp on that #editorchat

[21:32:37] ErikSherman: @retheauditors Ah, but for exec comp, often so true. #editorchat

[21:32:40] BeckyDMBR: @rachelcw To me? Wildly successful business model. For A. Huffington. Certainly not for any “journalists” who write for her. #editorchat

[21:32:44] milehighfool: RT @GinaLaGuardia: @LydiaBreakfast Sorry I’m missing #editorchat … but wanted to say thanks for the great article!

[21:32:55] TimOBrienNYT: @rachelcw what are the “right kind of changes”? #editorchat

[21:33:04] thisdog: Anybody can get free info these days, actionable intelligence a.k.a quality counts. Cross-platform utility, brand trust. #editorchat

[21:33:10] rachelcw: thanks all equally indignant ones – my work here is done! #editorchat

[21:33:12] GLHancock: Not extra work, extra marketing for freelance editors. Jobs there are as hard to come by as at the papers! #editorchat

[21:33:14] SuburbNews: How many journos are being asked to shoot, edit video? Sufficient training? #editorchat

[21:33:22] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast On 1 side (writer, journ advocate) I’m with you. On other (editor) if I can find cheap and good, I’m taking it. #editorchat

[21:33:27] jennipps: @AuldHouse The joker has some truth to him, then. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:33:31] BeckyDMBR: @JDEbberly Wasn’t there an ’80s song about sexing you up? Must head to blip and find it … πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:33:39] milehighfool: RT @SuburbNews: How many journos are being asked to shoot, edit video? Sufficient training? #editorchat

[21:33:45] shortformernie: @travelswithjenn Well, duh. But the diversification is telling for the news industry. One-stop shopping is dead for print. #editorchat

[21:33:47] rjreports: @SuburbNews I think many… And without much training. It’s a great skill to have though! #editorchat

[21:33:53] DavidRozansky: r @milehighfool Please use r prefix. If by Oversexing the copy, you mean hyping teh story, then no, you would be right. #editorchat

[21:34:06] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal cheap and good does not make for a fair playing field #editorchat

[21:34:12] rachelcw: @TimOBrienNYT good question- far longer than 140 characters and this forum – but less patching more long term long reaching ones #editorchat

[21:34:20] JMegonigal: @milehighfool I (and assisting team) do all reasearch, reading and writing for all departments (about 20 of them) UGH. #editorchat

[21:34:21] retheauditors: re; HuffPost I write there because it challenges me in a wider audience. It’s an exercise and I’m using it. #editorchat

[21:34:23] hinder: @AuldHouse I agree those experienced shouldn’t write for free, but those starting in the biz… sometimes they have to for clips #editorchat

[21:34:24] jennipps: @GLHancock I can agree with that. A lot of places ask me to promote published articles (as if I wouldn’t, but….) #editorchat

[21:34:28] BeckyDMBR: @rachelcw Pouring you a virtual margarita. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:34:29] JDEbberly: @BeckyDMBR LOL!! Blip.fm’s the place to find it! #Editorchat

[21:34:59] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Amen! #editorchat

[21:35:06] wordful: @DavidRozansky Can you please quickly explain the r prefix, how it works? Thanks #editorchat

[21:35:07] hotspringer: Old addage: “Quality. Quantity. Speed. Pick two.” #editorchat

[21:35:27] GLHancock: Writers multitasking is nothing new. In 70s I was in 2-woman newsroom & handled my own photo developing. #editorchat

[21:35:37] rachelcw: @BeckyDMBR let’s put it on Arianna’s tab #editorchat

[21:35:40] jennipps: @hinder The problem there is when someone is used to getting good quality work for “clips,” they usually don’t want to pay later #editorchat

[21:35:50] johncass: @hinder re:SM skills writing and reader engagement – yes 1) source for ideas 2) review and reality check 3) web is interactive #Editorchat

[21:35:50] shortformernie: @hotspringer Exactly. #editorchat

[21:35:58] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast Nope. It’s like finding a Picasso at a yard sale – BONUS! But must add, have yet to find the both in one person. #editorchat

[21:36:07] JDEbberly: RT @GLHancock: Writers multitasking is nothing new. In 70s I was in 2-woman newsroom & handled my own photo developing. #editorchat #Edi …

[21:36:09] luckychica: seems so difficult these days 4 qualified journ 2 earn fair $$. Editors/pubs think we should b satisfied w/ “glory” of writing #editorchat

[21:36:12] milehighfool: @hotspringer Egg-zactly. My fear is that we’re mostly sacrificing quality. #editorchat

[21:36:13] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s go to Q3 Editors: What have you tried that’s worked in bridging the content divide? #editorchat

[21:36:52] TamarahLand: @shortformernie it doesn’t cost anything to alt+tab #editorchat

[21:37:06] KatPowers: @LydiaBreakfast Q3 I have experts in my community who want to write what they know, instead of being interviewed. That’s huge #editorchat

[21:37:08] hinder: @jennipps so true. But if you get started with that, then as a writer you drop the pub and go to the ones who will pay #editorchat

[21:37:24] cursingeditor: @SuburbNews I’m all for training, but shouldn’t journos interested in having a future be learning new media skills themselves? #editorchat

[21:37:29] travelswithjenn: @shortformernie I agree with you. that’s I meant, it’s easy to shop around online for news #editorchat

[21:37:29] ErikSherman: Must go for tonight – thanks for the #editorchat.

[21:37:33] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot For sexing up your prostate cancer story. Color Me Bad, I Wanna Sex You Up. #editorchat http://blip.fm/~68by1

[21:37:43] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Let’s go to Q3 Editors: What have you tried that’s worked in bridging the content divide? #editorchat

[21:37:48] TimOBrienNYT: @rachelcw people like @davewiner kill me for continuing to harp on this, but it’s also unavoidably about monetization. #editorchat

[21:38:07] JMegonigal: @luckychica Ask them how satisfied they are w “Glory” of editing. They live it too, stuck btw Publish ($) and Writer (quality) #editorchat

[21:38:11] KatPowers: @cursingeditor @SuburbNews I’m all for training, but shouldn’t journos interested in having a future be learning new media… #editorchat

[21:38:11] BeckyDMBR: @JDEbberly @Single_Shot Sorry. I’m being irreverent tonight. I blame the wine. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:38:11] jennipps: @hinder True. You have to work your way up the ladder. #editorchat

[21:38:20] JDEbberly: @ErikSherman Thanks for stopping by, Erik, we look forward to seeing you here next Wednesday night! πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[21:38:24] hinder: @luckychica I’m tired to reading job ads that say no compensation, but a clip from us will help further your career. BS! #editorchat

[21:38:27] jennipps: @ErikSherman Good to see you. #editorchat

[21:38:42] JDEbberly: @BeckyDMBR Double lol πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[21:38:52] Dark_Faust: #editorchat Is editorchat still going on? Almost impossible for me (west coast) to make it at 5:30 pm.

[21:39:01] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast Using more SM to resource/research. Less time on phone calls/meetups. Quicker turnaround #editorchat

[21:39:10] Single_Shot: @BeckyDMBR Lovely. Music to sacrifice my soul by. ; ) #editorchat

[21:39:21] jennipps: @Dark_Faust Yes, we’re still here. #editorchat

[21:39:31] luckychica: @JMegonigal yes, I can imagine it’s frustrating. Crappy writing just makes an editor’s job more diff. #editorchat

[21:39:31] KatPowers: That was RT @cursingeditor I’m all for training, but shouldn’t journos interested in having a future be learning new media? #editorchat

[21:39:33] retheauditors: Plz elaborate @TimOBrienNYT @rachelcw people kill me for continuing to harp on it, but it’s also unavoidably about monetization. #editorchat

[21:39:40] hinder: @KatPowers Yes! I had a recent grad tell me she doesn’t ‘do’ social media. I couldn’t imagine giving her an article after that. #editorchat

[21:39:43] BeckyDMBR: @KatPowers Agreed. Some of correspondent staff here are outside professionals (i.e., not journalists). #editorchat

[21:39:57] milehighfool: r @KatPowers Right. Don’t overworked editors need writers with the freelancer tooklit? Write, research, photos, etc.? #editorchat

[21:40:10] JMegonigal: @KatPowers Ditto here. Makes for a huge break. #editorchat

[21:40:17] LydiaBreakfast: @hinder A recent grad?! A young person not doing social media?! Wow. #editorchat

[21:40:18] rachelcw: @TimOBrienNYT undoubtedly+as it should be,which is part of my point. Panic begat a scramble to compete->giving it away->big mess #editorchat

[21:40:27] KatPowers: @milehighfool bless you, and send them my way #editorchat

[21:40:31] Dark_Faust: #editorchat Tough to fill with meaningful content. New buss models help.

[21:40:34] jennipps: @hinder She doesn’t *do” social media? Does she *do” eating and having a place to live? Seems necessary anymore. #editorchat

[21:40:37] SuburbNews: @cursingeditor LOL at your name & bio. Nice. Yes they should. But find it curious that on TV side, there are separate positions #editorchat

[21:40:41] deegospel: q3: podcasting long form, supplying short with player, readers can listen to the article, read it later. my Editors love it #editorchat

[21:40:47] Single_Shot: @hinder @luckychica Yes, the old “payment in exposure,” otherwise known as “pie”. Thanks, I’m trying to cut back! #editorchat

[21:40:49] LydiaBreakfast: RT @milehighfool Right. Don’t overworked editors need writers with the freelancer tooklit? Write, research, photos, etc.? #editorchat

[21:40:54] thisdog: RT @motherjones: Newspaper vs. Internet: This ironic cartoon requires Flash http://tinyurl.com/qygnfv #editorchat

[21:41:05] DavidRozansky: #editorchat Q3: I guess we don’t really have a content gap here. We started the company in this environment, so it’s natural.

[21:41:06] KatPowers: @rachelcw I’ve had trouble with young ladies saying they don’t “do video” or “do blogs” They’re out of the biz #editorchat

[21:41:16] SpecialDee: RT @thisdog: Anybody can get free info … actionable intelligence aka quality counts. Cross-platform utility, brand trust. #editorchat

[21:41:17] Dark_Faust: #editorchat The pendulum has swung too far. Companies sacrificed own editorial resources for SM. Now the experts are gone.

[21:41:18] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers We are right here m’dear πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:41:20] luckychica: Totally. there are only a handful of OUTLETS that matter in terms of clips. Everyone else has to pay $. #editorchat

[21:41:25] rjreports: @milehighfool Freelancers toolkit: DSLR, pens, evidence(TM) pads, tape recorder, twitter/fb/etc, shot of bourbon. #editorchat

[21:41:30] RebeccaSkloot: @TimOBrienNYT coming 2 this late but I agree: the need 4 good storytelling will never go away. Narrative abiltiy can b gr8 asset #editorchat

[21:41:42] hinder: @jennipps I know. I was totally shocked. She didn’t have on SM account. None! It’s insane. #editorchat

[21:42:00] LydiaBreakfast: @rjreports Only one shot? πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:42:12] illied: @SuburbNews We experimented using mogulus doing live feeds from 2 locations on election night this week. http://bit.ly/FI9TD #editorchat

[21:42:12] rachelcw: @KatPowers I’m not quite sure I get your point, they’re out of the loop? Agreed. #editorchat

[21:42:13] deegospel: r @rjreports lol “shot of bourbon” #editorchat

[21:42:20] Dark_Faust: #editorchat As EiC, I make sure my editors write stories that can run in at least one other pub (print or online). Efficient coverage helps.

[21:42:33] rjreports: @LydiaBreakfast ok, ok, 2. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:42:39] JMegonigal: @milehighfool I wouldnt hire someone for all that unless they were qualified in all…#editorchat

[21:42:43] luckychica: @Single_Shot LOL! “pie.” never heard that one. #editorchat Hmm lots of pie, still feeling very lean…..

[21:42:49] Dark_Faust: #editorchat Collaboration with other pubs/editors helps too. As long as not seen as competitive.

[21:42:55] milehighfool: r @rjreports Wrong order. Shot of bourbon first. (Grin.) #editorchat

[21:42:59] SuburbNews: @illied Cool #editorchat

[21:43:03] retheauditors: Those would be? @luckychica: Totally. Only a handful of OUTLETS that matter in terms of clips. Everyone else has to pay $. #editorchat

[21:43:06] KatPowers: @rachelcw No, I mean after 6 months of being passed over for assignments and promotions because they can’t video, they left #editorchat

[21:43:15] TamarahLand: too cool for school types need not apply RT @hinder Yes! I had a recent grad tell me she doesn’t ‘do’ social media. #editorchat

[21:43:15] SpecialDee: If you want 2 learn if your email is working, blip a song! RT @JDEbberly: @BeckyDMBR LOL!! Blip.fm’s the place to find it! #Editorchat

[21:43:17] milehighfool: @RebeccaSkloot Glad you could make it, Rebecca. #editorchat

[21:43:20] anti9to5guide: Hey, I’m dropping in at the tail end. Michelle Goodman, freelance writer in Seattle. #editorchat

[21:43:26] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast Most of our interns have to be RE-introduced to SM as a tool/resource instead of a personal party album #editorchat

[21:43:46] cursingeditor: Perfect RT @thisdog RT @motherjones: Newspaper vs. Internet: This ironic cartoon requires Flash http://tinyurl.com/qygnfv #editorchat

[21:43:51] TimOBrienNYT: @rachelcw exactamundo. question now is how to revisit pricing while embracing all of the experimentation. #editorchat

[21:43:53] LydiaBreakfast: @anti9to5guide Yay Michelle! #editorchat

[21:43:54] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Of course. But there are publications that want a soup-to-nuts story, pics and all. #editorchat

[21:44:12] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Hey Michelle. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[21:44:13] anti9to5guide: Yay, Lydia! Hi. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:44:18] LydiaBreakfast: Funny RT @JMegonigal Most of our interns have to be RE-introduced to SM as a tool/resource instead of a personal party album #editorchat

[21:44:23] rachelcw: @KatPowers Interesting.That said,I pitched a print series and was given a vid series, not what I wanted but what sold #editorchat

[21:44:31] Dark_Faust: I just joined too. John Blyler, editor in chief for Chip Design, Low Power Design, other tech pubs (print/online). #editorchat

[21:44:55] GLHancock: Q3 I use same posts on Twitter, blog, LinkedIn, WD forum, etc. sometimes with a little tweaking. #editorchat

[21:44:58] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust Hellooooo John #editorchat

[21:44:58] KatPowers: @rachelcw If it works, swing with it. #editorchat

[21:45:01] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Hey Tim, I should be working but after just getting asked to write a book for free, thought I needed a break. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:45:08] milehighfool: r @Dark_Faust Glad you could make it, John. #editorchat

[21:45:10] JMegonigal: @milehighfool UGH. I can’t imagine. The quality on one HAS to suffer, or else they better be paying that person WELL. #editorchat

[21:45:13] Single_Shot: @luckychica @anti9to5guide (hey you!) writes about it a lot. I’m sick of all those offers of free pie. I need bread! #editorchat

[21:45:48] LydiaBreakfast: So, related Q4: Writers (and Editors) Do you see the content divide as a threat or an opportunity? #editorchat

[21:45:48] hinder: Love this RT @JMegonigal Most of our interns have to be RE-introduced to SM as a tool/resource instead of a personal party album #editorchat

[21:46:08] luckychica: @retheauditors IMHO NYT, WAPO, WSJ, big glossy, or major online like HuffPo, Slate, etc. Love to know what others think…#editorchat

[21:46:13] shefinds: @anti9to5guide yay working for yourself #editorchat (even if it is 9:45 PM)

[21:46:14] rachelcw: @TimOBrienNYT there’s the rub, I think there’s room for growth/evolution along with legacy and pricing/quality/content is key #editorchat

[21:46:17] anti9to5guide: @Single_Shot Hear hear on the bread. Check your inbox for a giggle. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:46:26] Dark_Faust: MediaNews execs: We’ll no longer give away all our print content to web users #eda #editorchat http://bit.ly/XZgwt

[21:46:31] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide And a drink. For free? Someone needs a swift keyboard to the head. #editorchat

[21:46:32] JDEbberly: RT @JMegonigal Most of our interns have to be RE-introduced to SM as a tool/resource instead of a personal party album #Editorchat

[21:46:38] hinder: @LydiaBreakfast Yeah she graduated less than 2 years ago and wanted to get into fashion mags. Crazy. #editorchat

[21:46:48] SpecialDee: Q3 I’ve conversed w/writers & bloggers via SM and so far one has been published in a Spec Sec ( @TobyDiva) #editorchat

[21:46:54] rachelcw: @TimOBrienNYT along with a revised business and production model of course (2) happy to have longer chat as well πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:47:06] TamarahLand: RT @JMegonigal Most of our interns have to be RE-introduced to SM as a tool/resource instead of a personal party album #editorchat

[21:47:15] jennipps: q4 @LydiaBreakfast I feel like since I’m still relatively new to fl’ing, it’s actually a bit of both. THreat b/c I’m not estab’d #editorchat

[21:47:27] milehighfool: Killjoy warning: Q4 is our last question. We’ll take re-intros and a link beginning at 9:55 pm. #editorchat

[21:47:33] retheauditors: @luckychica I have advantage of being SME also. Get quoted in those pubs. They write it for me. #editorchat

[21:47:34] GLHancock: Q4 Huge challenge! #editorchat

[21:47:34] rachelcw: @KatPowers though of course then one has additional expenses- cheaper to write in sweats then to present on cam! #editorchat

[21:47:43] LydiaBreakfast: Did everyone see? Q4: Writers (and Editors) Do you see the content divide as a threat or an opportunity? #editorchat

[21:47:45] jennipps: q4 but also opportunity for same reason *and* I’m not grounded in any particular way of doing things, for the most part. #editorchat

[21:47:50] shalamajackson: Love it @rjereports #editorchat

[21:48:05] JMegonigal: Q4 – If you see it as a threat, you’re out sooner or later. Only those who see the opportunity will adapt, survive and thrive. #editorchat

[21:48:12] rachelcw: @milehighfool not a killjoy but a really efficient moderator. See? we really do appreciate you! #editorchat

[21:48:15] jillelswick: RT @KatPowers I had a recent grad tell me she doesn’t ‘do’ social media. I couldn’t imagine giving her an article after that. #editorchat

[21:48:20] KatPowers: @rachelcw Nice blouses and jackets over cut-off shorts #editorchat

[21:48:24] Dark_Faust: #editorchat Content is getting tough. Tech freelancer friend had to spend more time researching subject since company lost their editors.

[21:48:28] terryrward: RT @JMegonigal Most of our interns have to be RE-introduced to SM as a tool/resource instead of a personal party album #editorchat

[21:48:34] JMegonigal: Q4- (cont) Might be a sucky opportunity, but an opportunity nonetheless #editorchat

[21:48:47] luckychica: @retheauditors nice. good for you. #editorchat

[21:48:51] LydiaBreakfast: RT @JMegonigal If you see it as a threat, you’re out sooner or later. Only those who see the opportunity will adapt, survive #editorchat

[21:48:53] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Channeling Michael J. Fox: It’s a huge opportunity. More content is needed and quality never goes out of style. #editorchat

[21:49:06] SuburbNews: Forget Mac vs PC. Check out Newspaper vs Internet. Funny cartoon: http://tinyurl.com/qygnfv RT @motherjones via @thisdog #editorchat

[21:49:11] KatPowers: Any movement means opportunity. We’re all moving right now #editorchat

[21:49:16] rachelcw: @LydiaBreakfast depends on what you have in your toolbox, how prepared you are to keep learning and how much competition bugs u #editorchat

[21:49:20] anti9to5guide: @LydiaBreakfast Q4: In some ways I hate changes to publishing biz, but as freelancers we’ve mastered flexibility & adapation… #editorchat

[21:49:29] milehighfool: @rachelcw (Blushes.) Thanks, Rachel. We love hosting — great group here. #editorchat

[21:49:32] SpecialDee: Q3 Putting together curriculum beneficial 2 journalists that I feel should be offered at local college-multimedia top of list #editorchat

[21:49:45] deegospel: q4: an opportunity. a lemon situation for me 8 years ago is starting to taste like lemonade. i welcome the changes #editorchat

[21:49:50] hinder: Q4 it just forces us to be more creative. Think WAY outside the box to find content and bring the readers along for the ride. #editorchat

[21:50:08] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Precisely. We should have an edge — now more than ever. #editorchat

[21:50:15] jennipps: RT @JMegonigal Q4- If you see it as a threat, you’re out sooner or later. Only those who see the opportunity will adapt, survive #editorchat

[21:50:17] rjreports: @deegospel great way of putting it! #editorchat

[21:50:21] DavidRozansky: #editorchat Q4: Since we will be moving to SM as our only line of finding quality authors, I would think SM is opportunity for writers.

[21:50:25] LydiaBreakfast: I agree with @milehighfool, I’m not competitive, just want to write well and tell the best story – quality always in style #editorchat

[21:50:31] rachelcw: @milehighfool I wasn’t even trying to be teacher’s pet. I learn so much when I can make it! you and Miss Lydia are so good to us #editorchat

[21:50:33] Single_Shot: RT @milehighfool It’s a huge opportunity. More content is needed and quality never goes out of style. *Nicely put* #editorchat

[21:50:39] Dark_Faust: Use some “community”content on my sites, but mainly fill from our other pubs; efficient use of interviews for multi-stories; #editorchat

[21:50:49] anti9to5guide: RT @JMegonigal Q4: If you see it as a threat, you’re out sooner or later. Only those who see the opp will adapt, survive #editorchat

[21:50:57] jennipps: RT @hinder Q4 it just forces us to be more creative. Think WAY outside the box to find content and bring the readers along #editorchat

[21:50:58] littlebrownpen: Q4. A big challenge is connecting the right editors and writers. #editorchat

[21:51:06] rachelcw: @LydiaBreakfast but will people start paying for it again? #editorchat

[21:51:27] hotspringer: RT @rachelcw Q4: Depends on what you have in your toolbox, how prepared you are to keep learning and how much competition bugs u #editorchat

[21:51:54] JaneFriedman: Editors/pubs/writers must work collaboratively to bridge divide. Be unconventional. Take Shatzkin’s advice: http://bit.ly/SizBY #editorchat

[21:51:55] milehighfool: @Single_Shot I’m here all week. I’ll even help with the fake prostrate cancer story. #editorchat

[21:51:56] Macala: RT @luckychica there are only a handful of OUTLETS that matter in terms of clips. Everyone else has to pay $. #editorchat – agreed.

[21:52:01] Single_Shot: @anti9to5guide Also, it *can* be exciting telling a story different ways & using different tools: slide shows, links, etc. #editorchat

[21:52:04] anti9to5guide: @shefinds Hey, Michelle. It’s only 7 here though. πŸ™‚ Nice to see you. #editorchat

[21:52:06] Dark_Faust: #editorchat Q4: See as opportunity. As editor, you have no other choice. You must get creative in getting stories, collaborate w others

[21:52:25] AuldHouse: Q4. Change? Opportunity? Bring it on. #editorchat.

[21:52:27] SpecialDee: Q3 Had a slew of freelance queries last fall. Important to know if they can conduct an interview. #editorchat

[21:52:29] milehighfool: RT @littlebrownpen: Q4. A big challenge is connecting the right editors and writers. (Yep. Wish it were easier.) #editorchat

[21:52:44] DavidRozansky: Hear hear. RT @littlebrownpen: Q4. A big challenge is connecting the right editors and writers. #editorchat

[21:52:56] anti9to5guide: @Single_Shot Yeah, or cell phones. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:52:59] Single_Shot: @anti9to5guide The Darwinian approach to freelancing? #editorchat

[21:53:03] milehighfool: RT @AuldHouse: Q4. Change? Opportunity? Bring it on. (That’s the spirit.) #editorchat

[21:53:17] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool My blade is so sharp I’m bleeding. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:53:18] JDEbberly: Link associated w/last Tweet: Take Shatzkin’s advice: http://bit.ly/SizBY #Editorchat

[21:53:18] JDEbberly: Link associated w/last Tweet: Take Shatzkin’s advice: http://bit.ly/SizBY #Editorchat

[21:53:29] deegospel: q4 @rachelcw I would like for pubs 2successfully build membership sites inside pub site to get subscriptions to pay writers #editorchat

[21:53:39] Single_Shot: @milehighfool Actually, the prostate cancer story is real. The sexed-up part is fake, though. Just like in life. ; ) #editorchat

[21:53:40] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast I agree with quality. Getting PAID for quality. Ahem. #editorchat

[21:53:55] anti9to5guide: @Single_Shot I’ve heard career coaches refer to job hunting as survival of the fittest these days. Ouch. But kinda true. #editorchat

[21:54:04] AuldHouse: r@milehighfool But only if I can keep my health insurance! #editorchat

[21:54:04] milehighfool: @SpecialDee Is they can’t, are they really freelancers? #editorchat

[21:54:13] jennipps: I’m right there with you. πŸ™‚ RT @AuldHouse Q4. Change? Opportunity? Bring it on. #editorchat

[21:54:17] LydiaBreakfast: RT @Single_Shot @anti9to5guide The Darwinian approach to freelancing. Yes!! #editorchat

[21:54:34] rachelcw: @deegospel that was a concept bandied about during web 1.0 but ppl didn’t get the pay for content concept.perhaps time is right #editorchat

[21:54:40] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Whoops. (And whoops again.) #editorchat

[21:54:53] wordful: Let’s just face it — we have the power to revolutionize publishing models right here, right now. #editorchat

[21:54:55] Dark_Faust: RT @milehighfool “Write, research, photos…” Add several interview for quotes. Freelancers must do it with minimum of guidance #editorchat

[21:55:05] anti9to5guide: RT @LydiaBreakfast RT @Single_Shot @anti9to5guide The Darwinian approach to freelancing. Yes!! *so are we the apes?* πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:55:15] JDEbberly: RT @wordful: Let’s just face it — we have the power to revolutionize publishing models right here, right now. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:55:20] SuburbNews: Let’s face it – would any outlet RATHER have back a bigger staff? Yes.But smaller makes you hungry, scrappy. Wish could have all #editorchat

[21:55:34] GLHancock: Join in Writers Worth Day this Friday. See http://www.loriwidmer.blogspot.com or my blog posts. #editorchat

[21:55:40] milehighfool: We’ve reached that time. Go ahead and reintroduce yourself and provide a link if you’d like. #editorchat

[21:55:56] terryrward: Will internet readers pay for access to content? #editorchat

[21:56:02] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: We’ve reached that time. Go ahead and reintroduce yourself and provide a link if you’d like. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:56:03] shefinds: @JDEbberly here’s an ap for ed asst we just got – tip don’t mention your cocaine habit in the test piece. http://bit.ly/xViI6 #editorchat

[21:56:05] littlebrownpen: RT @wordful: Let’s just face it — we have the power to revolutionize publishing models right here, right now. #editorchat

[21:56:09] SpecialDee: Q3 I expect in the near future to add another skill freelancers need: web video skills (and their own camera) #editorchat

[21:56:11] Dark_Faust: @wordful #editorchat Don’t need power. Need to have access to the right folks, typically what good editors/reports do best.

[21:56:12] JMegonigal: @wordful Absolutely. 100% with you. The way “it’s always been done” doesn’t work anymore… #editorchat

[21:56:17] KatPowers: I’m not a 13 year old blogger #editorchat

[21:56:31] deegospel: @rachelcw i know. I wrote for a membership mag site years ago. it tanked. now better tools for community building #editorchat

[21:56:31] milehighfool: r @Dark_Faust Agreed. That’s what editors expect from us, as they should. #editorchat

[21:56:39] wordful: @terryrward absolutely! #editorchat

[21:56:56] LydiaBreakfast: Folks this has been a terrific talk, please reintroduce yourselves and give a link if you like. Then stay as long as you want #editorchat

[21:57:03] cursingeditor: Readers have no reason to pay for Internet content because there are so many other places to get it free. #editorchat

[21:57:05] GLHancock: Freelance writer/editor in paradise, San Diego. See LinkedIn for biz info. Blog: A Writer’s Edge http://www.writers-edge.info #editorchat

[21:57:10] thisdog: #editorchat This is a great omen tweet or toast even. A twoast? RT @Feezal: Ad looks good in the newspaper! Here’s hoping it works!

[21:57:13] SuburbNews: @wordful Right here, right now…. Now I have Fatboy Slim in my head. #editorchat

[21:57:13] JMegonigal: Jordana Megonigal, editor of business mag in Upstate S.C. Find me here (Twitter). #editorchat

[21:57:18] deegospel: q4: @SpecialDee I need about two vloggers like last year #editorchat

[21:57:25] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers LOL! #editorchat

[21:57:26] retheauditors: Thanks for including me. It was very interesting. http://retheauditors.com #editorchat

[21:57:27] rachelcw: @deegospel absolutely! #editorchat

[21:57:29] hotspringer: Rebecca McCormick: Flexible freelancer with full toolkit. http://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccamccormick #editorchat

[21:57:30] wordful: @Dark_Faust yes, and that’s power as well. The power of connectivity. #editorchat

[21:57:39] rjreports: hi, I’m Rosa, freelancer and writer for the San Diego Reader. http://www.rosajurjevics.com #editorchat

[21:57:43] KatPowers: @LydiaBreakfast didn’t know if anyone got that. whew #editorchat

[21:57:43] Dark_Faust: @terryrward If not “internet readers” then sponsors of content. The later is working for us, since engineers won’t pay. #editorchat

[21:57:50] LydiaBreakfast: @retheauditors Thanks so much for coming #editorchat

[21:57:58] wordful: @KatPowers lol #editorchat

[21:58:01] jennipps: Jen, fl writer in s Okla Write for @TutorialBlog, WritingforDollars.com, etc. Also now Publicity Director for @OWFI http://www.owfi.org #editorchat

[21:58:14] LydiaBreakfast: @hotspringer Rebecca, thanks to you and your toolkit for joining πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:58:22] SmetanasGlasses: Happy to follow the #editorchat; great ideas. πŸ™‚ Blog #3 at http://accidentalimmigrant.wordpress.com/ Freelance writer/snacker/traveler.

[21:58:35] AuldHouse: Old school publishing in a new world. #editorchat http://bit.ly/zZfTO

[21:58:41] luckychica: do u guys think (j)schools need 2 expand their curric if skill set required is ever-widening? will edu catch up to prof demands? #editorchat

[21:58:42] JDEbberly: @terryrward They will if you develop an Internet Learning Environment (see @copyblogger ) #Editorchat

[21:58:42] wordful: Charles Bohannan of Wordful in Hawaii: writer, editor and blogger, small business owner #editorchat

[21:58:44] retheauditors: Yes, I’ve called boards impotent, pay amts pornographic. RT @ErikSherman: @retheauditors Ah, but for exec comp, often so true. #editorchat

[21:58:46] shortformernie: Peace all! Ernie Smith, designer @ Wash. Post Express, editor of http://shortformblog.com/ <– follow at @shortformblog kids! #editorchat

[21:58:47] DavidRozansky: I am publisher of Flying Pen Press, a small book publishing co. in Denver. http://flyingpenpress.com #editorchat

[21:58:48] deegospel: Dee, Atlanta. Contributing Editor, blogger, PR, writer. Girl Scout. Need sleep now. Big fun tonight. #editorchat

[21:58:49] hinder: Freelance writer/editor for business, lifestyle, entertainment – always trying something new, like to keep things fresh. #editorchat

[21:58:54] LydiaBreakfast: @rjreports Rosa thanks for joining, i hope you liked it πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:58:58] davidbdale: Freelance features and Very Short Novels #editorchat http://davidbdale.wordpress.com/

[21:59:04] KatPowers: Editor just outside Boston. Cover one small city, and that’s plenty http://www.wickedlocal.com/somerville #editorchat

[21:59:13] JaneFriedman: Thx everyone – Jane (Publisher/Editorial Director, Writer’s Digest at F+W Media) http://www.janefriedman.com #editorchat

[21:59:13] rachelcw: Rachel Weingarten- I write books and market things. Love writing business articles, blog at http://www.rachelcw.com when I can. #editorchat

[21:59:16] rjreports: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks so much for having me! #editorchat

[21:59:35] milehighfool: @shortformernie Always a pleasure, Ernie. #editorchat

[21:59:37] LydiaBreakfast: @JaneFriedman Thanks Jane, hope you’ll join us again πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:59:46] wordful: Oh, yeah, my blog: http://wordful.com #editorchat

[21:59:52] rjreports: all right, #editorchat, I’m off!

[21:59:55] LydiaBreakfast: @davidbdale Thanks for coming πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:59:55] rachelcw: Thank you Lydia and Tim as always for hosting us, and to everyone for the yummy food for thought. Goodnight all. #editorchat

[21:59:55] Single_Shot: Great fun, as always. Diane Mapes, Darwinian freelancer from Seattle, writing 4 MSNBC.com, etc. http://www.dianemapes.net #editorchat

[21:59:55] dodgemedlin: Mark, San Diego U-T. Also a photographer and fledgling Web designer. Good #editorchat, as always. http://dodgemedlin.com #editorchat

[21:59:57] BeckyDMBR: @rachelcw Becky in Iow-ay. Online and in print. Yeah. Print. For now, anyway. Rock on! #editorchat

[22:00:03] milehighfool: @JaneFriedman Thank you, Jane. Please join us again. #editorchat

[22:00:04] JDEbberly: Hi, I’m JD Ebberly. The only link you’ll ever need if you’re an editor or writer is: https://editorchat.wordpress.com/ #Editorchat

[22:00:05] deegospel: @LydiaBreakfast thanks, Lydia. good night #editorchat

[22:00:05] ChinaMatt: publisher/editor of Terracotta Typewriter lit. journal http://www.tctype.com and personal blog: http://everymanscritic.blogspot.com #editorchat

[22:00:07] Dark_Faust: RT @cursingeditor: “Readers have no reason to pay …” For news, that’s true. Not necessarily true for news analysis, etc. #editorchat

[22:00:09] LydiaBreakfast: @rachelcw Lots of great tweets from you – thanks! #editorchat

[22:00:20] retheauditors: @TimOBrienNYT I write longer pieces on similar topics but do all my own research… Not easy but gratifying. #editorchat

[22:00:26] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Beck-ay thanks much πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:00:26] milehighfool: @rachelcw Great stuff, Rachel. Thanks for joining us. #editorchat

[22:00:33] anti9to5guide: Michelle Goodman, freelancer writing abt careers for ABC News, Seattle Times, etc. 2 freelancing books: http://www.anti9to5guide.com #editorchat

[22:00:38] cursingeditor: @luckychica Good j-schools are already focused on new media skills. #editorchat

[22:00:41] LydiaBreakfast: @deegospel Dee, thanks so much πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:00:46] hotspringer: Great job tonight, @LydiaBreakfast. Glad to be back after a few weeks on the road. #editorchat

[22:00:52] milehighfool: @dodgemedlin Great stuff, Mark. Thanks. #editorchat

[22:00:56] LydiaBreakfast: @JDEbberly Rock on JD! #editorchat

[22:01:00] retheauditors: I think you’re getting pic now. πŸ˜‰ RT @LydiaBreakfast: @retheauditors wonder what the SEO implications of that phrase are πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[22:01:02] KatPowers: Thank you again, @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool #editorchat

[22:01:09] rachelcw: @LydiaBreakfast I was feeling particularly chatty – as it were. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:01:17] Dark_Faust: @milehighfool Yes. Most freelancers now are of a very high grade, former sr editors and EiCs, etc. #editorchat

[22:01:19] TamarahLand: goodnight all. TamarahLand freelance writer/blogger of site for underemployed, career/life development and RTOD’s #editorchat

[22:01:21] milehighfool: @deegospel Thanks for joining us, Dee. We appreciate it. #editorchat

[22:01:24] hotspringer: @milehighfool Ditto for you, my friend. #editorchat

[22:01:26] jennipps: See you all later. Need to go write a couple devotions for a book I’m working on (that’s been requested). #editorchat

[22:01:28] hinder: Thanks @lydiabreakfast and @milehighfool Always a great time! #editorchat

[22:01:33] littlebrownpen: Nichole Robertson. When I am not writing, I’m blathering on and on about Paris here: http://littlebrownpen.blogspot.com/ #editorchat

[22:01:41] anti9to5guide: Thanks so much editorchat gang and esp Lydia and Tim. Don’t let anyone convince you to write for free this week. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[22:01:42] LydiaBreakfast: @dodgemedlin Thanks so much for coming in again, enjoy having you! #editorchat

[22:01:49] rachelcw: @milehighfool Thanks Tim, much to think about. #editorchat

[22:02:03] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Thanks Jen, you are fab! #editorchat

[22:02:05] JJtweets: I’m a freelance writer in Seattle & beat-reporter on City Hall & local elections. Keep the great ideas coming! #editorchat

[22:02:07] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Great job herding us cats. lol. Great chat, everyone. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:02:13] milehighfool: @hotspringer You bet. Pleased as always with the great conversation. #editorchat

[22:02:16] cursingeditor: @Dark_Faust Agreed. The only way to make pay work is as a supplement to the free stuff. #editorchat

[22:02:17] JDEbberly: Thanks once again to @MileHighFool @LindaBreakfast and everyone else tonight for another informative Editorchat ! πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[22:02:28] Single_Shot: @anti9to5guide Just say no to PIE! #editorchat

[22:02:32] JMegonigal: @lydiabreakfast @milehighfool THanks again for a GREAT chat. Loved this topic. Great ideas a-brewin…#editorchat

[22:02:33] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen always enjoy your tweets thanks! #editorchat

[22:02:44] SpecialDee: Thanks for the great conversation tonight #editorchat

[22:02:49] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen Thanks, Nichole. Great to have you back and best of luck settling in. #editorchat

[22:03:07] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast thanks for hosting. Love #editorchat

[22:03:09] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Thank you for joining us πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:03:35] LydiaBreakfast: RT @Single_Shot Just say no to PIE! Agreeeeed!!! #editorchat

[22:03:37] anti9to5guide: @Single_Shot Yes to booze, no to PIE! #editorchat

[22:03:38] milehighfool: @jennipps @hinder Great stuff from you both, as always. #editorchat

[22:03:42] luckychica: really enjoyed my first #editorchat. Lots of great peeps to talk to and learn from.

[22:04:15] Dark_Faust: #editorchat great session, as usual. just wish I could make it sooner. nite all.

[22:04:25] GLHancock: Thanks for letting me in and not throwing me out! #editorchat

[22:04:29] LydiaBreakfast: @luckychica enjoyed having you with us, thanks! #editorchat

[22:04:36] SpecialDee: “Your newspaper. The everyday reality show.” #editorchat

[22:04:45] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust always a pleasure #editorchat

[22:05:07] LydiaBreakfast: @GLHancock Thanks for joining #editorchat

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May 16, 2009 at 1:48 pm

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