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Transcript of #editorchat 5/27

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[20:31:32] milehighfool: And we’re live. Welcome to another edition of #editorchat. Please introduce yourselves as you join.

[20:31:43] shortformernie: Hey all. @milehighfool Got your message, will respond soon. #editorchat

[20:32:40] jennipps: Hi, all!! Jen, fl writer in south Oklahoma, specializing in creativity, writing, plus-size issues, and health at the moment. #editorchat

[20:32:47] shortformernie: Howdy hey! Ernie Smith, editor, ShortFormBlog — that’s http://shortformblog.com — and designer, Wash. Post Express. #editorchat

[20:33:12] milehighfool: @shortformernie Awesome. Thanks, Ernie. Glad you could make it tonight. #editorchat

[20:33:30] anndouglas: Please use http://www.twittersnooze.com if you want to filter my #editorchat tweets for the next couple of hours.

[20:33:31] milehighfool: @jennipps Welcome back, Jen. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:33:37] hotspringer: Rebecca McCormick, freelance travel and feature writer from Hot Springs, Ark. #editorchat

[20:34:04] jennipps: @milehighfool And I’m not house- or dog-sitting tonight, so I should be able to be here for the whole thing. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:34:05] GLHancock: Georganna in San Diego, proud of the Padres, reading the Union-Tribune, writing, editing, and fooling around with websites #editorchat

[20:34:19] AuldHouse: #editorchat by night launching AuldHouse Publishing focusing on how-to content in ebook format

[20:34:19] jennipps: @hotspringer Hi, Rebecca! Good to see you. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:34:22] merylkevans: Texas gal who doesn’t have a tattoo and loves to play with words both for a living as writer / editor and for fun. #editorchat

[20:34:24] anndouglas: Hi all. I’m Ann Douglas – author, blogger, magazine columnist, copywriter, etc. #editorchat

[20:35:07] jennipps: @merylkevans That reminds me of a blog post I’ve had simmering for a couple days. Um…the playing with words part, not the tat. #editorchat

[20:35:09] milehighfool: @hotspringer @GLHancock Rebecca, Georganna — welcome. Glad you could makeit. #editorchat

[20:35:17] littlebrownpen: Hi everyone. Nichole Robertson. Freelance writer, blogger, Copy Director for a German organic skin care brand. #editorchat

[20:35:44] jennipps: @anndouglas Hi, Ann. Thanks for the RT earlier. #editorchat

[20:35:54] chriswebb: Hello all. I am an Associate Publisher, John WIley & Sons. #editorchat

[20:36:12] hinder: Howdy all. I’m Katie writer and editor for a handful of publications and websites. #editorchat

[20:36:12] jennipps: @littlebrownpen Did you get a new avatar picture? Looks good. #editorchat

[20:36:15] LydiaBreakfast: Good Evening all, a hearty welcome from your co-host Lydia Dishman, freelance features writer #editorchat

[20:36:29] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen @AuldHouse @merylkevans Hey there. Thanks for joining us tonight. #editorchat

[20:36:48] LydiaBreakfast: @chriswebb Hi Chris, nice to see you thanks for coming #editorchat

[20:36:50] milehighfool: @chriswebb Welcome. Great to have you here. #editorchat

[20:36:58] littlebrownpen: @jennipps I did. I had to get rid of the winter hat. #editorchat

[20:37:08] LydiaBreakfast: @hinder Hey Katie thanks for coming #editorchat

[20:37:29] fixin2: Good evening. I’m Paul, news editor for a small daily newspaper in Mississippi. #editorchat

[20:37:58] milehighfool: @hinder Hey Katie. Good post re: freelancing failure. Valuable lessions for us all, I think. #editorchat

[20:38:00] LydiaBreakfast: @hotspringer Hey Rebecca good to see you #editorchat

[20:38:02] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:12] LydiaBreakfast: @fixin2 Hi Paul thanks for joining us #editorchat

[20:38:15] ErikSherman: Evening I’m a freelancer, contributing editor at BNET, write for various magazines, and a book here and there #editorchat

[20:38:19] milehighfool: @fixin2 Hi Paul. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:38:26] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Nichole you look lovely, with or without your hat #editorchat

[20:38:37] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Good evening Erik, welcome #editorchat

[20:38:58] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! I was teased quite a bit about it. But I have somewhere between two and three photos of myself. #editorchat

[20:38:59] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Good to see you again, Erik. See the news from Google I/O? I swear it’s the new Macworld. #editorchat

[20:39:04] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Jen, good to see you again πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:39:24] chriswebb: So as this is my first #editorchat, is there a topic for discussion tonight?

[20:39:45] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans hey Meryl, are you attempting three chats tonight? #editorchat

[20:40:08] jennipps: @chriswebb Yep. Either @milehighfool or @LydiaBreakfast will get us started with the first question in a few minutes. #editorchat

[20:40:09] LydiaBreakfast: @chriswebb radical monetization and we’ll start the questions soon #editorchat

[20:40:25] fixin2: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! Wasn’t sure I could make it; can hang for about 30-40 min. #editorchat

[20:40:33] milehighfool: @chriswebb There is. Radical monetization models in publishing. We’ll get to the Qs shortly. First, let me offer some rules. #editorchat

[20:40:37] SpecialDee: #editorchat Jumping in the convo, Special Sections Editor at Maine newspaper. Hello!

[20:40:51] merylkevans: @LydiaBreakfast Sure am! So far, so good… and trying to add one to my chat list at the moment. #editorchat

[20:40:55] LydiaBreakfast: @fixin2 excellent, tweeps are in and out all the time #editorchat

[20:41:05] milehighfool: Rule No. 1 Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:41:10] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Hiya Ms. Dee, thanks for stopping in #editorchat

[20:41:24] milehighfool: Rule No. 2 Stay on topic. #editorchat

[20:41:28] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans you are a wonder πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:41:36] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Trade shows as news making spots seem to go through phases. #editorchat

[20:42:09] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat

[20:42:19] ErikSherman: @LydiaBreakfast With the way things are going, radical monetization will be anything that works. #editorchat

[20:42:24] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:42:57] milehighfool: Rule No. 5: Refer to the question number when commenting. Q1, Q2, etc. #editorchat

[20:43:03] GLHancock: @ErikSherman tee! hee! That’s what I thought, too! #editorchat

[20:43:11] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman we’ll see what these fine tweeps come up with tonight. The new model may just be found in our chat. #editorchat

[20:43:27] studentoflife: RT @milehighfool Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.)#editorchat

[20:44:10] milehighfool: @ErikSherman (Wince.) Too true, but we’ll give it a whirl anyhow. We’ve seen some interesting ideas lately. #editorchat

[20:44:27] bacigalupe: Redundant Rule: Keep the comments short #editorchat

[20:44:37] rachelcw: Take 2. Rachel Weingarten – author/marketer/freelance writer/prognosticator & commentator All around helpful person #editorchat

[20:45:15] JDEbberly: Apologies for arriving here late! Traffic is bad here in N VA 😦 #editorchat

[20:45:21] LydiaBreakfast: @bacigalupe excellent point, thanks for that πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:45:51] ErikSherman: @milehighfool One just came into my email inbox – magazines considering iPhone apps. #editorchat

[20:45:52] JDEbberly: I apologize to my followers for excessive tweets as I enter Editorchat, which runs from 830pm to 10pm EST #editorchat

[20:45:59] LydiaBreakfast: @JDEbberly JD you just need to tweet on the side of the road πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:46:02] milehighfool: @bacigalupe More important yet not a rule: Keep comments relevant. #editorchat

[20:46:05] jennipps: @JDEbberly Good to see you! Glad you made it through the traffic. #editorchat

[20:46:41] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Not surprised, though I like the idea of Kindle DX subscriptions better. #editorchat

[20:46:56] milehighfool: @JDEbberly Glad you could make it, JD. #editorchat

[20:46:56] jennipps: @milehighfool Hm. It kind of is a rule. Goes along with the “Stay on topic” part. #editorchat

[20:47:13] rachelcw: oh yes, my apologies in advance if I seem to be tweeting on high speed, I’m about to enter #editorchat

[20:47:27] LydiaBreakfast: @rachelcw Rachel, welcome! #editorchat

[20:47:36] Dark_Faust: John Blyler, EiC for several technology trade pubs. This is the earliest that I’ve been here in a while. #editorchat

[20:47:41] bacigalupe: So the topic is the topic today? #editorchat

[20:47:42] ErikSherman: @milehighfool And just think – it could be worse. You could be in charge of Sirius XM. #editorchat

[20:47:52] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Oh, oh, hey, hey … Becky here from Iow-ay. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:47:59] milehighfool: @rachelcw Welcome, Rachel. We can attest to how helpful you are. #editorchat

[20:48:05] LydiaBreakfast: So we are talking radical monetization tonight, in light of shrinking budgets in all media #editorchat

[20:48:19] rachelcw: waves hello to Lydia! thanks #editorchat

[20:48:27] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Wahoo! #editorchat

[20:48:30] shortformernie: @JDEbberly There’s a reason why I live in D.C. proper. πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[20:48:37] imagirlscout: @kgh23 just found this … You might be interested: Editorchat, which runs from 830pm to 10pm EST #editorchat

[20:48:43] JDEbberly: JD Ebberly here out of N VA – Writes articles on blogging and new media – Glad to be in Editorchat! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:48:48] bacigalupe: What’s radical monetization? (oops, I will be spammed) #editorchat

[20:48:50] GLHancock: A friend asked me if I thought it would be a good idea to give all school kids Kindles and make texts electronic. Cal is broke! #editorchat

[20:48:53] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie Hiya Ernie, thanks for dropping in #editorchat

[20:48:55] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Right. The good news: I can’t tan like Mel Karmazin. #editorchat

[20:49:33] marciamarcia: Freelance writer w/ FastCo+, educator, editor, learner, mom, SoMe enthusiast. Thrilled to have a short break to join in on #editorchat

[20:49:36] merylkevans: @JDEbberly Lived in DC for six years… don’t miss the traffic itty bit. #editorchat

[20:49:40] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR Hey Becky! Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:49:43] Dark_Faust: Did anyone see the WSJ article about the shortage of investment analysts? Companies aren’t getting coverage which means lost $$. #editorchat

[20:50:01] Dark_Faust: Similar to the plight of editors in general. #editorchat

[20:50:05] AuldHouse: @bacigalupe I was about to ask the same thing–would like definition. #editorchat

[20:50:22] jennipps: @imagirlscout You’re both welcome to join in #editorchat. (BTW, hi from a fellow Okie.)

[20:50:23] bacigalupe: The #editorchat at the start is like taking off the jackets, picking up a drink, finding a sofa…

[20:50:27] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust do you have a link? #editorchat

[20:50:30] ErikSherman: @milehighfool That tan is proof of the existence of cyborgs. #editorchat

[20:50:58] milehighfool: What we mean by radical monetization = new or unproven models for monetizing content, be it reporting, books, etc. #editorchat

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Written by LydiaBreakfast

June 3, 2009 at 11:56 am

Transcript of #editorchat 5/20

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[20:31:05] LydiaBreakfast: Good Evening tweeps and welcome to the 5/20 edition of our chat. Please introduce yourself and tell us what you do. #editorchat

[20:31:05] milehighfool: And we’re live. Please introduce yourself when you join. #editorchat

[20:31:09] GLHancock: @milehighfool Thanks. How are you tonight? This week? #editorchat

[20:31:49] jennipps: @milehighfool Hey, Tim! Good to see you. BTW…to you & @LydiaBreakfast…just turned in an article to a newsletter featuring #editorchat

[20:31:56] JaneFriedman: Hi everyone – Jane Friedman, Publisher/Editorial Director of Writer’s Digest (F+W Media) #editorchat

[20:32:12] milehighfool: @GLHancock Super busy. Not regretting the blogathon but, wow, it’s tough to add that to my regular writing schedule. You? #editorchat

[20:32:41] jennipps: Hi, all! Jen, fl writer in south Oklahoma writing about health, writing, creativity, plus-size issues, & everything in between. #editorchat

[20:32:42] JMegonigal: Jordana Megonigal, editor in chief for Upstate S.C. business publication (and soon others?) And I’m a GEN-X #editorchat

[20:32:56] ptsaldari: Hello from p.tsaldari #editorchat

[20:33:00] milehighfool: @jennipps Wow. I’m truly flattered, Jen. Thanks for thinking of us. #editorchat

[20:33:06] shortformernie: Howdy! Ernie Smith, Editor of super-awesome tightly edited news site ShortFormBlog: http://shortformblog.com/ #editorchat

[20:33:09] GLHancock: @milehighfool What blogathon or do you mean here and now? #editorchat

[20:33:11] booksandcorsets: Hi all, I’m an editor w/Sterling Publishing, working on branded books and the Hearst magazine lines #editorchat

[20:33:15] LydiaBreakfast: I am your co-host Lydia Dishman, freelance features writer covering business, food, travel and style for a pile o’ mags #editorchat

[20:33:16] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Hey! Checking in from Iow-ay, Land of Windy. #editorchat

[20:33:27] milehighfool: @JaneFriedman Glad you could make it, Jane. #editorchat

[20:33:44] jennipps: @milehighfool But of course! πŸ™‚ After it’s in print, I have OK from the editor to post it online. I’ll let you know when it’s up #editorchat

[20:33:44] shortformernie: But when I’m at work, I totally work at The Washington Post’s Express as a designer and visual editor duder. πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[20:33:47] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Hey Yay! #editorchat

[20:34:06] LydiaBreakfast: @booksandcorsets Fabulous thanks for coming! #editorchat

[20:34:07] dan_miranda: Hello everyone tweeting from a new account to make sure I don’t disturb anyone. You may know me as @timecommander #editorchat

[20:34:38] milehighfool: Your other co-host here. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, blogging at Quicken.com, writing daily. #editorchat

[20:34:40] GLHancock: Georganna, writer/editor/websites for writers; published since 1964; Luddite in electronic clothing. (not really the last one) #editorchat

[20:34:48] hinder: Hi. All. Katie HInderer – editor for teen mag, hip hop mag, and commercial real estate publication. Freelance writer too. #editorchat

[20:35:18] JenniferPerillo: Hi All. Jennifer Perillo, consulting food editor at Working Mother & freelance food writer/recipe developer. #editorchat

[20:35:23] PDXsays: lurking:at .@AboutUs hosting NTEN PDXTech Club: Online Story Telling by Roger Burks, Sr Writer, Mercy Corps. #Editorchat

[20:35:34] marciamarcia: Freelance writer w/ FastCo+, educator, editor, learner, mom, SoMe enthusiast. Thrilled to have a short break to join in on #editorchat

[20:35:35] merylkevans: Content Maven from Plano, TX who writes, edits and plays with words plus a little gamin’ and PR’in. #editorchat

[20:35:37] shortformernie: @dan_miranda Howdy, dude. πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[20:35:57] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo Yippee you made it! Now pass out those yummie bytes πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:36:03] JenniferPerillo: I’m doing #editorchat tonight, so pls filter if you like for the next hour.

[20:36:09] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia Hello Marcia thanks for coming πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:36:14] sooutdoors: #editorchat Lloyd here from Southern Ontario Outdoors. Writer, author, journalist.

[20:36:28] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans Hello Miss Meryl πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:36:44] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Lloyd, so glad you made it – I know the time is a crunch for you #editorchat

[20:37:00] milehighfool: @marciamarcia @merylkevans @JenniferPerillo Welcome, all. #editorchat

[20:37:15] milehighfool: @sooutdoors Hey, you made it. Sorry about the time crunch. #editorchat

[20:37:41] SpecialDee: #editorchat Special Sections editor @sunjournal, Maine, also Arts & Humanities student @usmlac

[20:37:52] milehighfool: @JaySlacks Glad you could make it, Jarvis. #editorchat

[20:38:02] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:11] JaySlacks: @LydiaBreakfast Jarvis Slacks, writing and adjunct english teacher and I forgot this part: #editorchat

[20:38:13] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Hello Special Dee πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:38:16] ellmcgirt: Heyo! Ellen McGirt, senior writer, Fast Company magazine, coming to hang awhile! I write feature stories, mostly. #editorchat

[20:38:18] JMegonigal: Hey all friends – for 1.5 hrs, filter me, filter me, filter me! (Unless you want to talk journalism!) #editorchat

[20:38:51] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Well thanks for the warm welcome. Doing the dinner dishes during #editorchat.

[20:38:57] LydiaBreakfast: @JaySlacks Brilliant, thanks for joining and lending us your perspective πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:39:03] milehighfool: @ellmcgirt Hi Ellen. Wow. Your first editorchat, I think. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:39:14] JMegonigal: @ellmcgirt YAY Ellen! Welcome! #editorchat

[20:39:17] LydiaBreakfast: @ellmcgirt Hooray πŸ™‚ No #utb jokes I’ll be good #editorchat

[20:39:18] SpecialDee: @merylkevans #editorchat I love the “play with words” it’s so functional.

[20:39:34] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Glad you could make it, Jordana. #editorchat

[20:40:04] LydiaBreakfast: So let me just remind everyone that editorchat is for writers and editors, anyone else is welcome to lurk #editorchat

[20:40:10] merylkevans: Another warning… entering a second tweetchat… so you may want to slam http://www.twittersnooze.com on me. #editorchat

[20:40:13] milehighfool: @sooutdoors Don’t we all? πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:40:33] milehighfool: Rules coming next. #editorchat

[20:40:37] ellmcgirt: This is my maiden voyage yes! I’m back and forth with my actual editor, so I’ll be off and on a bit. But am so happy to make it. #editorchat

[20:40:47] SpecialDee: @GLHancock #editorchat I am just learning about Luddites and Neo-Luddites in my Science, Technology & Society class.

[20:40:47] JMegonigal: @milehighfool Wouldn’t miss this one for the world!! #editorchat

[20:41:16] GLHancock: 😎 #editorchat

[20:41:21] milehighfool: Rule No. 1 Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:41:42] milehighfool: Rule No. 2 Stay on topic. #editorchat

[20:41:59] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat

[20:42:00] PDXsays: conceptor | writer | editoir in PDX. work with Brick | mortar biz to come to SoME. and strat up book authors | blog “journalists #Editorchat

[20:42:17] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:42:19] SpecialDee: Little tip for newbies: If you’re using TweetDeck you can follow this conversation in a separate column by doing a search for #editorchat

[20:42:37] milehighfool: Rule no. 5: Refer to the question number when commenting. Q1, Q2, etc. #editorchat

[20:43:07] dawndsokol: I’m a book designer and author…I’m just going to lurk. Hope that’s OK. #editorchat

[20:43:52] milehighfool: @dawndsokol Of course it is. Whatever suits you. Chime in anytime. We try to post transcirpts within a day or two. #editorchat

[20:44:01] LydiaBreakfast: For those of you who didn’t read the post on the topic, we will be discussing the generation gap and its effect on publishing. #editorchat

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Written by LydiaBreakfast

May 26, 2009 at 11:42 pm

Transcript of #editorchat 5/13

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[20:31:35] LydiaBreakfast: And we are live tweeps, welcome to the May 13th edition of our fine chat, where we will discuss “The Content Divide” #editorchat

[20:31:58] LydiaBreakfast: Please introduce yourselves and tell us what you do πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:32:57] SpecialDee: Looking forward to it: RT @LydiaBreakfast: discuss “The Content Divide” #editorchat

[20:33:11] JDEbberly: Hello everyone. I’m JD Ebberly and I write pieces on blogging and new media. I love this chat !! πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[20:33:12] jennipps: Hi, everyone! Jen, fl writer from south Oklahoma. Write for TutorialBlog, OWFI Report, WritingforDollars, etc. #editorchat

[20:33:14] JMegonigal: Jordana Megonigal, editor of Business mag in Upstate S.C. and local publishing co. #editorchat

[20:33:23] SpecialDee: Special Sections editor in Maine #editorchat

[20:33:33] LydiaBreakfast: hello to already assembled chatters @shortformernie @beckydmbr @jennipps @katpowers @travelswithjenn @specialdee #editorchat

[20:33:37] KatPowers: Editor, Boston area #editorchat

[20:34:06] wordful: Aloha, I’m Charles Bohannan of Wordful from Hawaii. I’m an editor, writer and blogger, small business owner. #editorchat

[20:34:12] deegospel: Hi, I’m Dee Stewart. Contributing Editor for various Christian Entertainment publications. Blogger, PR, former journ #editorchat

[20:34:26] LydiaBreakfast: @JDebberly and @jmegonigal welcome πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:34:33] LydiaBreakfast: @deegospel Hi Dee #editorchat

[20:34:43] LydiaBreakfast: @wordful Aloha friend πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:35:06] milehighfool: Made it. Sorry I’m late, editorchatters. #editorchat

[20:35:08] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Like your new photo πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:35:19] travelswithjenn: Jennifer Netherby, freelance writer from Portland, Or. I write about entertainment and technology #editorchat

[20:35:22] hinder: Hey. I’m Katie a freelance writer/editor for a number of pubs and websites. Based in the Midwest now. #editorchat

[20:35:25] milehighfool: Glad everyone could make it. #editorchat

[20:35:31] shortformernie: What’s up yo? Ernie Smith, designer at Wash. Post Express, editor of ShortFormBlog (http://shortformblog.com/) And I wear hats! #editorchat

[20:35:34] retheauditors: Francine McKenna in Chicago, Author and Editor of http://retheauditors a blog focused on the business of the Big 4 audit firms #editorchat

[20:35:46] AndyBumatai: RT @Wordful: Aloha, I’m Charles Bohannan of Wordful from Hawaii. I’m an editor, writer and blogger, small business owner. #editorchat

[20:35:47] LydiaBreakfast: @hinder Hi Katie! #editorchat

[20:35:49] thewritermama: Hi, my name is Christina Katz, I’m an author, speaker, writing instructor and the pub/ed of three e-zines. (waving) #editorchat

[20:35:50] JaneFriedman: Hi everyone – Publisher/Editorial Director of Writer’s Digest at F+W Media #editorchat

[20:35:52] KBordessa: Kris Bordessa, family, fun and travel writer for nationals as well as author of several books. Will try to keep up! #editorchat

[20:35:57] LydiaBreakfast: @retheauditors So glad you came! #editorchat

[20:36:02] ErikSherman: I’m Erik Sherman, freelance print journalist, blogger at BNET, editor, book author, photographer #editorchat

[20:36:04] milehighfool: Keep introducing yourselves as you join. I’ll get us going with the rules. #editorchat

[20:36:13] Single_Shot: Hey folks. Diane Mapes, your friendly neighborhood freelance writer from Seattle, covering health, lifestyle & the singles beat #editorchat

[20:36:19] LydiaBreakfast: @JaneFriedman Hi Jane – thanks so much for joining us #editorchat

[20:36:30] merylkevans: Typing from windy Plano, Texas, where I do everything words — write, edit, research and play. #editorchat

[20:36:35] LydiaBreakfast: @Single_Shot Yay! #editorchat

[20:36:42] milehighfool: Jabe, Christina, Francine, Erik — welcome. #editorchat

[20:36:51] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Welcome, please pass the potstickers πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:37:01] TamarahLand: Hello all, TL here. I am a freelance writer and blogger #editorchat

[20:37:07] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans Hello Texas Meryl #editorchat

[20:37:12] jennipps: @merylkevans Meryl, I didn’t realize you’re in Plano. We’re practically neighbors. lol. I’m in Ada, OK. About 3-ish hours away. #editorchat

[20:37:15] milehighfool: Jabe? Ugh. *Jane*. Sticky fingers — sorry about that. #editorchat

[20:37:15] littlebrownpen: Hi all. Nichole Robertson, freelance writer currently working on a few travel and Paris lifestyle pieces #editorchat

[20:37:22] LydiaBreakfast: @KBordessa Kris, thanks for coming πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:37:38] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast Thanx — will try to earn that “yay!” ; ) #editorchat

[20:37:42] LydiaBreakfast: @TamarahLand TL thanks for coming tonight πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:38:00] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Hiya Nichole πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:38:02] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:03] KBordessa: @LydiaBreakfast I often pop in to watch, but keeping up at dinner time is hard! #editorchat

[20:38:27] merylkevans: @jennipps Howdy there, neighbor! Excuse me while I go into a silent rendition of Oklahoma! I can’t help it! #editorchat

[20:38:27] milehighfool: Rule No. 1 Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:38:31] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast Hi! Really looking forward to tonight’s #editorchat #editorchat

[20:38:38] LydiaBreakfast: @KBordessa in and out is fine too, just glad you are here πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:38:55] milehighfool: Rule No. 2 Stay on topic. #editorchat

[20:39:01] jennipps: @merylkevans lol. Heck, sometimes even I do it. Though often not-so-silent. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:39:25] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat

[20:39:57] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:39:58] deegospel: Hi, Twuddies. For the next 1/2 hour I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.

[20:40:16] merylkevans: @jennipps Well, I’m tone deaf. Actually, completely deaf. So I’d only embarrass myself and make everyone mad in my household. #editorchat

[20:40:27] jennipps: @milehighfool I know I’m weird, but this is my favorite rule. lol. #editorchat

[20:40:46] merylkevans: Busy with @smallbizchat and @editorchat. If I am making you crazy… just hit http://twittersnooze.com/ for a day. #editorchat

[20:40:49] milehighfool: And a new rule — no. 5: Refer to the question number when commenting. Q1, Q2, etc. #editorchat

[20:41:05] LydiaBreakfast: For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.RT @deegospel #editorchat

[20:41:20] milehighfool: @jennipps Mine too, Jen. Mine too πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:41:29] jennipps: @merylkevans I thought I’d seen where you had mentioned that sometime before. #editorchat

[20:41:54] milehighfool: For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.RT @deegospel

[20:41:55] LydiaBreakfast: Let’s give everyone a couple more minutes to introduce before we start the Qs #editorchat

[20:41:58] JDEbberly: @merylkevans It’s really tough trying to follow TWO chats simultaneously #Editorchat

[20:41:59] KatPowers: will be hyper-chatting with editors. Think about http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep, via @deegospel #editorchat

[20:41:59] JMegonigal: Hey tweeps…for the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep!

[20:42:04] hinder: RT For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.

[20:42:23] jennipps: @milehighfool I always laugh a little and think if it were only possible… #editorchat

[20:42:46] merylkevans: @JDEbberly Not really. I have TweetChat open in two tabs. One for #smallbizchat and one for #editorchat

[20:43:01] Hergett: Missing out on #editorchat for a birthday celebration. Happy-sad.

[20:43:31] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Happy birthday wishes, sorry you won’t be with us #editorchat

[20:43:34] milehighfool: @Hergett Happy Birthday — we’ll see you next time. #editorchat

[20:43:36] jennipps: @Hergett Aww. Well, happy birthday to the birthday boy/girl. #editorchat

[20:43:44] ErikSherman: I’m on #editorchat for the next hour or so. Use http://www.twitttersnooze.com to ignore my tweets

[20:43:46] JaneFriedman: For the next 1.5 hours I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.

[20:43:49] dodgemedlin: Hey all. Mark Dodge Medlin of the San Diego U-T, stopping by #editorchat, where I’ll probably mostly lurk. #editorchat

[20:43:52] KBordessa: @merylkevans Wow – I can barely keep up w/one and you’re watching two?? #editorchat

[20:44:17] LydiaBreakfast: @dodgemedlin Mark, welcome. Don’t be shy #editorchat

[20:44:41] SpecialDee: I like to follow chats in TweetDeck by doing a search for #editorchat which creates a column of chat tweets. How do you follow the chat?

[20:44:47] wetzeledit: Howdy. Not sure if I can keep up but will try to pop in. Wendy Wetzel, freelance copyeditor. #editorchat

[20:44:49] shortformernie: @dodgemedlin Greetings, man. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:44:57] GLHancock: Newbie to #editorchat, but not to editing. Please be patient with me. #editorchat

[20:45:05] hotspringer: Good evening. I’m Rebecca McCormick, multimedia travel writer from Hot Springs, Ark. #editorchat

[20:45:13] Single_Shot: Don’t know if it’s something I said (typed?), but the twittersnooze website isn’t opening for me. #editorchat

[20:45:36] merylkevans: @KBordessa Well, maybe it helps I am on a laptop sitting up in my comfy bedroom with the right lighting away from noisy kids. #editorchat

[20:46:07] deegospel: URL Change: Put me on http://www.twittersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep. #editorchat

[20:46:08] Jenbenjenben: Another newbie here, too. Longtime editor turned SAHM starting to freelance again. #editorchat

[20:46:10] LydiaBreakfast: So talking about the content divide, you know amid cutbacks is a stated desire among some publishers to produce more content #editorchat

[20:46:14] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Wha? Why in the world would you want to put *us* on snooze? Think of the spit-takes you’ll miss. #editorchat

[20:46:29] LydiaBreakfast: @GLHancock Hi there, welcome. Join in as you can #editorchat

[20:46:35] shortformernie: @Single_Shot thre were three ts in the link; take one out. #editorchat

[20:46:35] JDEbberly: @GLHancock You’re welcome to join us here at Editorchat, GL! πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[20:46:50] LydiaBreakfast: @Jenbenjenben Excellent thanks for joining #editorchat

[20:46:56] dodgemedlin: @shortformernie Hey Ernie. How goes it? #editorchat

[20:47:00] JDEbberly: @Jenbenjenben Welcome to Editorchat, Jen! Glad you’ve dropped by tonight πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[20:47:00] deegospel: @Single_Shot the url is http://www.twittersnooze.com my bad #editorchat

[20:47:18] milehighfool: @Jenbenjenben Glad you could make it. Welcome. #editorchat

[20:47:49] KatPowers: RT @deegospel @Single_Shot the url is http://www.twittersnooze.com my bad #editorchat #editorchat

[20:48:24] LydiaBreakfast: Talking about content, we know that community is a way to bridge the emerging content divide, where few writers are doing more #editorchat

[20:48:24] rjreports: Hi! I’m actually a writer, on staff at the San Diego Reader … Hopefully I’m still welcome πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:48:40] luckychica: Hello Everyone. First time on #editorchat. Former journo, now freelance writer/editor and captain of my own site for women. #editorchat

[20:48:43] Single_Shot: @milehighfool Never! Just hadn’t seen the site & wanted to suss it out. It’s working now (thanks to RT). #editorchat

[20:48:52] LitChat: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Let’s give everyone a couple more minutes to introduce before we start the Qs #editorchat

[20:48:53] shortformernie: @dodgemedlin OK, just working my butt off per ush. #editorchat

[20:49:12] Single_Shot: @KatPowers Thanks! #editorchat

[20:49:12] milehighfool: Right. We’re seeing a lot of evidence of a widening content divide in all areas of publiishing. #editorchat

[20:49:14] LydiaBreakfast: Q #1 Editors: Are you to trying to find new ways to generate more content, even with mandates to cut staff ? #editorchat

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May 16, 2009 at 1:48 pm

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[20:30:23] milehighfool: And we’re live. Please introduce yourself when you join, #editorchat
[20:30:47] LydiaBreakfast: Good evening tweeps, welcome to another edition of #editorchat
[20:31:31] LydiaBreakfast: Lydia Dishman here, co-hosting along with my pal Tim Beyers @milehighfool #editorchat
[20:31:42] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast Hi everyone. I’m Dan Miranda and I’m the thirteen year old blogger who’s the face behind http://bit.ly/cyt #editorchat
[20:32:29] milehighfool: @timecommander Hi Dan. Glad you could make it. #editorchat
[20:32:41] netta50: Yay, #editorchat! I’m working and tweeting, so pardon my lapses. I’m Netta and I’m a freelance writer/editor. Missed you guys the last 2 wks
[20:32:46] joecortez: Evening! Freelance Writer Joe Cortez on this end — will be lurking on Editor Chat tonight! Looking fwd to good conversation! #editorchat
[20:32:48] JDEbberly: J. D. Ebberly out of N Virginia, I write pieces about blogging & new media and I really enjoy Editorchat! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:33:08] LydiaBreakfast: @joecortez Hi Joe, don’t just lurk, join the discussion #editorchat
[20:33:11] KatPowers: Good evening, #editorchat #editorchat
[20:33:19] LydiaBreakfast: @JDEbberly Hola JD πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:33:21] UrbanMuseWriter: I’m Susan, a Boston-based writer/blogger who covers business and lifestyle topics for consumer & trade pubs. #editorchat
[20:33:40] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers Glad you made it! #editorchat
[20:33:42] milehighfool: @netta50 Good to see you again, Netta. #editorchat
[20:33:53] LydiaBreakfast: @UrbanMuseWriter Hi Susan, welcome πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:33:54] milehighfool: @JDEbberly Thanks for joining us again, JD. #editorchat
[20:33:54] joecortez: @LydiaBreakfast I’ll pipe in where I feel its appropriate – I’m working on client content 2nite so I’m going back & forth! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:34:07] SpecialDee: I’m a Maine-based newspaper special sections editor, glad to be here #editorchat
[20:34:08] timecommander: @joecortez Hey Joe, you just wrote an excellent post on what we say online and how it can be used against us. #editorchat
[20:34:22] milehighfool: @UrbanMuseWriter Hi Susan. Thanks for coming tonight. #editorchat
[20:34:22] netta50: @milehighfool Very glad to be here πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:34:50] milehighfool: @SpecialDee Hey there. Our special sections ed. Glad you could make it. #editorchat
[20:35:00] wordful: Charles Bohannan in Hawaii. I blog about writing, blogging and finding a balance between being practical and creative. Aloha! #editorchat
[20:35:07] deegospel: Hi, Twuddies. For the next hour I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.
[20:35:21] joecortez: @timecommander Thanks for the props — really appreciate the praise from an accomplished blogger! πŸ˜€ #editorchat
[20:35:22] Hergett: Rachel Hergett, reporter/editor at Bozeman Daily Chronicle. Will be in and out of #editorchat tonight.
[20:35:41] LydiaBreakfast: @wordful Hey Charles Welcome aboard #editorchat
[20:35:45] milehighfool: @wordful Hey Charles. Must be beautiful on the islands about now. #editorchat
[20:35:52] TamarahLand: good evening. newbie blogger, freelance writer. first time in #editorchat
[20:36:01] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Hi Rachel – nice to see your (real) face πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:36:04] littlebrownpen: Hi all. Nichole Robertson. Freelance writer and copy director for an organic skin care brand. #editorchat
[20:36:10] judywriter: I’m Judy. I write about construction – comm’ll & residential – & about baby boomers for a trade pub & writing a book on same. #editorchat
[20:36:13] wordful: @milehighfool Yes it is, just about all the time I guess πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[20:36:16] LydiaBreakfast: @deegospel Welcome, so glad you came #editorchat
[20:36:21] timecommander: @joecortez “accomplished blogger.” Didn’t think you even knew who I was! #editorchat
[20:36:22] milehighfool: Keep introducing yourselves as you join. I’ll get us going with the rules. #editorchat
[20:36:31] LydiaBreakfast: @TamarahLand Great thanks for coming πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:36:49] deegospel: @LydiaBreakfast I’ve been missing it. Glad I remembered. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:36:50] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Hi Nichole #editorchat
[20:36:51] milehighfool: Rule No. 1 Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.
[20:37:01] joecortez: @timecommander We’ve talked before here and I lurk on your blog…you put out some good stuff! #editorchat
[20:37:07] LydiaBreakfast: @judywriter Hi Judy, thanks for joining #editorchat
[20:37:11] netta50: *waves* to all joining #editorchat
[20:37:12] shortformernie: Hey all, missed last week. Ernie Smith, designer, Wash. Post Express, editor ShortFormBlog (http://shortformblog.com) Woot! #editorchat
[20:37:19] milehighfool: Rule No. 2 Stay on topic. #editorchat
[20:37:26] B2BMKTGCHAT: how many marketers particpating in #editorchat? #b2bmktgchat
[20:37:45] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie Ernie so glad you could make it πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:37:54] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat
[20:38:03] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw
[20:38:12] LydiaBreakfast: @B2BMKTGCHAT 0. This is for editors and those who work with them #editorchat
[20:38:14] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat
[20:38:21] timecommander: @joecortez Glad to hear. Always happy to hear about a new reader. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:38:33] Hergett: @LydiaBreakfast I guess I’m coming out of my shell sans avatar! #editorchat
[20:38:38] BaileyMcC: Hi all Bailey managing editor @Civsource & writer @ various other places #editorchat
[20:38:54] deegospel: Hi. I’m Dee Stewart, owner of PR firm in Atlanta specializing in entertainment and green businesses. #editorchat
[20:39:00] judywriter: @LydiaBreakfast Hi! I’ve missed it for a few times & it’ll be good to sink my teeth into again. #editorchat
[20:39:44] milehighfool: @deegospel Hi Dee. You’re welcome to lurk but editorchat is for editors and those who work with them. #editorchat
[20:40:01] WillRogersPaper: Joining in – Randy Cowling from Claremore Daily Progress #editorchat
[20:40:38] LydiaBreakfast: @WillRogersPaper Hello Randy thanks for coming #editorchat
[20:40:40] milehighfool: @judywriter Glad to have you back, Judy. Should be great to have a fresh voice in our continuing discussion re: innovation. #editorchat
[20:40:53] deegospel: @milehighfool I’m also an editor of a Christian Magazine. Thanks! #editorchat
[20:41:41] milehighfool: @deegospel Great. Would love to have your perspective as an editor. #editorchat
[20:42:02] shortformernie: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! Glad to be back! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:42:04] BeckyDMBR: Hey, all! Becky here in Iow-ay! #editorchat
[20:42:22] LydiaBreakfast: So folks, this is a continuation of our discussion on innovations in our business #editorchat
[20:42:29] milehighfool: A warm up before we start: Anyone absolutely, positively going to buy the new Kindle? #editorchat
[20:42:33] judywriter: @milehighfool Thanks! Just got back from Construction Writers Assn. conference & am all inspired & fired up. #editorchat
[20:42:34] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Woot! #editorchat
[20:42:36] deegospel: @milehighfool NP. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:42:59] deegospel: @milehighfool I’m thinking about the Kindle DX. I like that the screen is larger. #editorchat
[20:43:04] LydiaBreakfast: as Amazon unveils its large format Kindle DX, billed as a potential savior of the newspaper industry. WeÒ€ℒre not so sure. #editorchat
[20:43:09] JDEbberly: @milehighfool I want that new Kindle so badly I can taste it! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:44:10] WillRogersPaper: @milehighfool: No on Kindle #editorchat
[20:44:25] milehighfool: As I trample on Lydia’s opener. The point remains. In a discussion re: innovation the Kindle is big news. #editorchat
[20:44:30] shortformernie: @milehighfool Buy?! It should be subsidized 100% by the newspaper companies! πŸ˜€ #editorchat
[20:44:57] deegospel: @LydiaBreakfast I agree. If you can read most of the newspaper online for free. Why would the Kindle be it’s savior? #editorchat
[20:45:04] judywriter: @milehighfool I’m absolutely NOT going to buy it! I have a Gen 1 & don’t like it much. Gen 2 better but not gonna pay twice. #editorchat
[20:45:15] netta50: The price tag is pretty steep, but it’s on my wish list. #editorchat
[20:45:22] milehighfool: @shortformernie Fitting. So. Fitting. #editorchat
[20:45:44] deegospel: @milehighfool I think it’s great for magazines, because most magazines site don’t share as much content as newspapers #editorchat
[20:46:15] LydiaBreakfast: Kindle or no, what are you doing to move into this next era of publishing? We want to talk about what has worked and hasn’t. #editorchat
[20:46:43] judywriter: @shortformernie I agree w/ you too! #editorchat
[20:46:55] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast Kindle or no, what are you doing to move into this next era of publishing? #editorchat
[20:47:09] UrbanMuseWriter: @milehighfool I’m not convinced that I need a Kindle. I already do a lot of reading on my BlackBerry, plus I have an iPod. #editorchat
[20:47:14] milehighfool: Please remember to mark your answers with Q1, Q2, etc. #editorchat
[20:47:30] shortformernie: @lydiabreakfast You should see the rugburns on my face from being so close to the cutting edge. It stings. πŸ˜€ #editorchat
[20:47:32] wordful: #kindle really need to be in color — then I’ll consider buying it #editorchat
[20:47:51] melodyhritt: #editorchat not sure about buying the Kindle DX yet but this is the first time I’ve been tempted.
[20:47:53] deegospel: what question are we on? #editorchat
[20:48:09] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie that is why I have hardwood floors. Smoother πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[20:48:10] Hergett: I agree with @UrbanMuseWriter “I’m not convinced that I need a Kindle. I already do a lot of reading on my BlackBerry…” #editorchat
[20:48:59] LydiaBreakfast: @deegospel Q1 about moving into the next era – what has worked? #editorchat
[20:49:04] timecommander: @milehighfool $489 is a bit pricey. I’ll pass. #editorchat
[20:49:08] judywriter: Re next era of publishing: It’s all about new media, SM, online video, interactivity. Getting it funded is another subject, tho #editorchat
[20:49:16] KatPowers: Q1 Don’t we all have a stockpile of gadgets we thought were the greatest kicking around? Pairing down to a laptop and phone #editorchat
[20:50:01] shortformernie: Q1: Clearly, the Cuecat. That did wonders for the Dallas Morning News, didn’t it? #editorchat
[20:50:07] judywriter: @wordful I agree. The more it’s like Zinio, the better. #kindle #editorchat
[20:50:20] deegospel: q1: Creating Online Communities & providing content the community wants like Essence Magazine does is a step forward #editorchat
[20:50:45] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast Q1: social media is the future. but I agree with @KatPower. I can do just fine with a laptop and phone. #editorchat
[20:50:51] milehighfool: Q1 Devil’s Advocate: So if we don’t need the Kindle, why is it selling, and why are digital subs to the NYT selling for it? #editorchat
[20:50:51] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie can you explain to those who might not know what that is? #editorchat
[20:51:27] LydiaBreakfast: @timecommander are you homeschooled? #editorchat
[20:51:31] joecortez: Q1: Publishing needs to take new approaches that SM, Broadcast, Online, & Gadgets can not. Bring readers back w/deep content. #editorchat
[20:51:36] timecommander: @milehighfool Because the marketing behind it is genius. #editorchat
[20:51:40] shortformernie: @LydiaBreakfast Sure. Basically Belo spent a bunch of money around the time of the dot-com bubble on these barcode devices. #editorchat
[20:51:43] BeckyDMBR: Some papers are offering Kindles at lower cost w/subscriptions. Hmm. Wonder how much lower? #editorchat
[20:51:47] SuburbNews: The price of some terrific gadgets saddens me and makes me concerned about equal access for poor, even middle class. #editorchat
[20:51:54] UrbanMuseWriter: @milehighfool I will probably buy a Kindle someday but right now I just don’t feel the need to spend the $$ #editorchat
[20:51:55] JDEbberly: Q1 The Kindle is selling because there are always ppl who love gadgets. Like me! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:52:03] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast Ha, I’ve gotten that question a lot. No I’m not, I just manage my time effectively. #editorchat
[20:52:18] KatPowers: Why Kindle? RT@timecommander @milehighfool Because the marketing behind it is genius. #editorchat #editorchat
[20:52:27] milehighfool: @timecommander I’m not so sure. I think it’s because there’s an advantage to consolidating reading material. #editorchat
[20:52:31] shortformernie: @LydiaBreakfast And they cost them a TON of money because nobody wanted them and they were useless. #editorchat
[20:52:53] LydiaBreakfast: @timecommander laptops are usually the domain of homeschoolers #editorchat
[20:52:58] deegospel: q1: @milehighfool The Kindle is needed. Going Green isn’t just a celeb trend; it very well will be the future, but… #editorchat
[20:53:08] JDEbberly: RT @KatPowers: Why Kindle? RT@timecommander @milehighfool Because the marketing behind it is genius. #editorchat #editorchat
[20:53:15] judywriter: Q1: At conf I just went to, we talked about how hard it is to know/predict who’ll respond to what. Surprises, not all good. #editorchat
[20:53:23] shortformernie: That’s what we have to be afraid of when we look at things like the Kindle. The Kindle could be just like the Cuecat. #editorchat
[20:53:25] milehighfool: @shortformernie Thus the danger with innovation. But back to the question: What’s working? #editorchat
[20:53:37] deegospel: q1: the beauty of newsprint–I hope–doesn’t entirely go away. #editorchat
[20:53:38] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast laptops are the domain of thirteen year old children in general. #editorchat
[20:53:46] milehighfool: @judywriter What was the worst or most surprising? #editorchat
[20:54:05] LydiaBreakfast: @judywriter that is why it is good to fail quickly, get out and do the next thing #editorchat
[20:54:05] superjaberwocky: @Hergett I don’t need a Kindle, but I would be on top of a large-format iPod Touch in an instant. #editorchat
[20:54:43] judywriter: Q1: What’s working is to engage ppl in stories (hard to predict which ones’ll draw), and keep pumping out content. #editorchat
[20:54:44] BeckyDMBR: @timecommander Genius marketing? Howso? #editorchat
[20:54:59] milehighfool: Twitter is working well for me as a trendspotter. The tweestream has become my breaking news feed. #editorchat
[20:55:08] deegospel: q1: What’s working? For the mags I contribute to as an editor, using SMS helps mag connect faster with their subscribers #editorchat
[20:55:17] shortformernie: I think what’s worked best so far has been the combining of Web technologies. Which newspapers are always afraid to do. #editorchat
[20:55:39] deegospel: q1: building membership sites is a way that magazines can still add revenue #editorchat
[20:55:43] milehighfool: @judywriter So we know Twitter is an engagment tool for us writers. What about Facebook and other SM. Are you using it? #editorchat
[20:55:48] KatPowers: Q1 what works is getting folks to respond immediately to stories. They get addicted. Comments, sending emails, it’s all good #editorchat
[20:55:51] judywriter: @milehighfool Worst was when we invested a lot in a major story & got more comments on a throwaway story. $$$$ #editorchat
[20:55:55] netta50: I think the appeal of Kindle is green, portability, and attractive to techies. #editorchat
[20:56:23] milehighfool: @shortformernie Yes! Mashuos — combining Web content from two or more sources into one — are easier to do now. #editorchat
[20:56:23] JDEbberly: RT @deegospel: q1: building membership sites is a way that magazines can still add revenue (I agree.) #editorchat
[20:56:35] judywriter: @LydiaBreakfast Absolutely, have to fail quickly. HARD to do in a big co. That’s why publishing co’s are struggling. #editorchat
[20:56:36] anti9to5guide: Dang, I just realized I’m missing #editorchat!
[20:56:49] shortformernie: Q1: Someone’s already built what you need Γ’β‚¬β€œ the secret is trying not to own the market but to build on top of it. #editorchat
[20:56:55] LydiaBreakfast: Facebook is too slow after using twitter. Fan and group pages are static and don’t invite discussion #editorchat
[20:56:58] JDEbberly: @anti9to5guide Welcome Back! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:57:07] LydiaBreakfast: @anti9to5guide No you’re not, here you are πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:57:10] judywriter: @milehighfool I use FB, LinkedIn, & (obviously)twitter. Am speaking about it tomorrow, in fact. Ppl don’t get it at all! #editorchat
[20:57:17] milehighfool: Whoa. Did I say Mashuos? Sounds like potatoes gone wrong. I meant mashups. #editorchat
[20:57:22] netta50: @milehighfool FB, not so much. It’s bloated and a time suck, if not managed properly. #editorchat
[20:57:38] shortformernie: Q1: My last paper, Link, was a really great idea journalistically, and from a content and design perspective it killed. #editorchat
[20:57:40] joecortez: Q1: I agreee with @shortformernie — all the tools are there; its time to find the best application for the job at hand. #editorchat
[20:57:45] deegospel: q1: @mario1123 membership sites is a tough one? #editorchat
[20:57:47] deegospel: #editorchat
[20:58:00] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Jump in Michelle πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:58:02] judywriter: @milehighfool I went thru the same thing with the Web. “WHY use it?” “No good” “Too time consuming” “No value” “Play, not work” #editorchat
[20:58:17] shortformernie: Q1: But it got the Web wrong. It was late and it tried to build its own site around old technology instead of mashups. #editorchat
[20:58:30] milehighfool: @judywriter Right. So very mid-90s. #editorchat
[20:58:39] UrbanMuseWriter: RT @netta50: @milehighfool FB, not so much. It’s bloated and a time suck, if not managed properly. (I’m so over FB!) #editorchat
[20:58:42] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool I was trying to figure out what language mashuos was. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[20:58:58] shortformernie: Q1: And that was a corporate failing, BTW Γ’β‚¬β€œ they didn’t prioritize the Web the way they could have. #editorchat
[20:59:12] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR Potato Latin. #editorchat
[20:59:20] jennipps: Forgot what time #editorchat started. Trying to log in from home.
[20:59:25] shortformernie: Why build your own garden when you can buy from the farmer’s market? #editorchat
[20:59:33] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie aren’t we looking at the same problem now? #editorchat
[20:59:35] anti9to5guide: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Thx. Can’t stay long, but did wanna drop in. Freelance writer focused on career stories right now. #editorchat
[20:59:37] deegospel: q1: I also think that building exclusive events sponsored by the mag like Pink & Skirt Mag does is working for certain mags #editorchat
[20:59:50] milehighfool: RT @shortformernie: Why build your own garden when you can buy from the farmer’s market? #editorchat
[20:59:52] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Hi Jen #editorchat
[21:00:05] judywriter: Q1: What works is to keep technology open, don’t make it hard for ppl to participate, i.e., go thru a lot of hoops to join in. #editorchat
[21:00:24] netta50: @UrbanMuseWriter I know, right? It’s starting to be annoying, like Myspace. #editorchat
[21:00:40] judywriter: @shortformernie They’re doing the same thing w/ social media. Not getting it, not prioritizing it, not funding resources for it. #editorchat
[21:00:55] milehighfool: @deegospel Yes. Exclusivity is a time-tested strategy. #editorchat
[21:00:58] LydiaBreakfast: @judywriter agreed – am less likely to leave a comment if I have to create a profile first #editorchat
[21:00:58] KatPowers: RT@judywriter Q1: What works is to keep technology open, don’t make it hard for ppl to participate, i.e., go thru a lot of hoop #editorchat
[21:01:09] UrbanMuseWriter: @deegospel yes, but neither mag is doing well. Pink went quarterly & I believe Skirt has stopped publishing, at least in Boston #editorchat
[21:01:14] BeckyDMBR: @shortformernie Build your own garden if you like the act of gardening. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[21:01:32] WillRogersPaper: Still alot of graybeards not wanting to throw in the towel and mesh print and online. Can it be all or nothing? #editorchat
[21:01:40] milehighfool: So where’s the win when it comes to innovation? How have you benefited readers by embracing innovation? #editorchat
[21:01:49] LydiaBreakfast: @UrbanMuseWriter Skirt used to be independent, now like a franchise #editorchat
[21:01:59] deegospel: q1: @UrbanMuseWriter Skirt’s publishing in Atlanta. I’m in Atlanta. #editorchat
[21:02:09] shortformernie: @judywriter EXACTLY. A hamfisted approach to the Web is not what we need right now. #editorchat
[21:02:17] dodgemedlin: Hey all. Mark Dodge Medlin of The San Diego Union-Tribune here, keeping half an eye on #editorchat, the other 1.5 eyes on work. #editorchat
[21:02:30] LydiaBreakfast: @WillRogersPaper I don’t think all or nothing is a viable part of the new vocabulary #editorchat
[21:02:30] UrbanMuseWriter: @netta50 Too busy, too many vampire bites & pokes & prods & stuff I don’t understand #editorchat
[21:02:52] milehighfool: A Foolish example: I often tweet follow-ups to my Fool.com stories. Twiter exclusives, per se. #editorchat
[21:02:53] LydiaBreakfast: @dodgemedlin Hey Mark – thanks so much for coming #editorchat
[21:02:59] UrbanMuseWriter: @LydiaBreakfast The Boston editor announced at a panel last week that she got laid off bc they’re not publishing #editorchat
[21:03:32] judywriter: @LydiaBreakfast Co’s want to keep track of participants but ppl don’t want a hassle or to give out their info. #editorchat
[21:03:37] milehighfool: @dodgemedlin Thanks for droppng by, Mark. We’ll try not to make you cross-eyed. #editorchat
[21:03:40] LydiaBreakfast: @UrbanMuseWriter the one we have in Gville is so skinny it may as well not exist #editorchat
[21:03:57] JMegonigal: Q1:We decided NOT to put our mag digital (we want ppl to PAY for it) but we built website to complement. Has worked well so far. #editorchat
[21:03:58] anti9to5guide: @JDEbberly Thanks. Nice to be here. #editorchat
[21:04:00] judywriter: @shortformernie Hamfisted. Great word. And so dead on!! #editorchat
[21:04:22] judywriter: @shortformernie You must be a writer. LOL #editorchat
[21:04:28] shortformernie: @milehighfool Big and small. Every time we put a TinyURL in print telling readers to get even more information. #editorchat
[21:04:36] milehighfool: @UrbanMuseWriter Colorado’s books seem to be doing better. 5280 has been a Nat. Mag. Award winner. #editorchat
[21:04:36] KatPowers: @JMegonigal What do you put in one that does not go in the other? #editorchat
[21:04:44] netta50: @UrbanMuseWriter Exactly. Simple interface is so much better. You lose people with complicated and inane. #editorchat
[21:04:53] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal yes it has! Have you all seen Business Black Box? Great pub πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:05:29] lauriemeisel: Hi I was lurking. I’m the Web Producer for Architectural Record w/exp in newsletter/site editing #editorchat
[21:05:30] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Why couldn’t they also pay for digital? isn’t a mind-shift needed? #editorchat
[21:05:52] milehighfool: @lauriemeisel Glad you could make it. #editorchat
[21:06:06] LydiaBreakfast: @lauriemeisel Hi Laurie, jump on in πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:06:10] judywriter: A pub shut down 15 regional mags & laid off everybody. I thought why not redirect to the Web? Dumb, IMHO. #editorchat
[21:06:14] shortformernie: Q2: Where I’m at with Express is encouraging a continuing of the interest in the story, whether or not we have the full thing. #editorchat
[21:06:21] milehighfool: @netta50 The irony: It’s often far more complex to create something simple and elegant. #editorchat
[21:06:26] bobbyrettew: @JMegonigal Just got my @InsideBlackBox copy at the HOUSE! GREAT JOB! Very clean and INNOVATIVE! #editorchat
[21:06:39] JMegonigal: @KatPowers Expert blogs on one, full features; different articles in print. They tease back and forth, but dont cross. #editorchat
[21:06:57] ohmgee: hiya. popping tweetchat cherry. art director of oregon business magazine, former newspaper designer and tweets as @nwspprscppln #editorchat
[21:07:00] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast You’re sweet. #editorchat
[21:07:04] shortformernie: Q2: So, our long-term goal for building fact boxes Γ’β‚¬β€œ since we’re short Γ’β‚¬β€œ is to let readers know where else to go online. #editorchat
[21:07:42] JMegonigal: @milehighfool could, but our market hasn’t “gotten” there yet. They still dont see a lot of value in web/digital (at least paid) #editorchat
[21:07:45] LydiaBreakfast: @ohmgee we’ll be gentle, promise πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[21:07:57] milehighfool: @shortformernie You’re the gateway to helping them get smarter. Isn’t that the currency of the Web? #editorchat
[21:08:31] WillRogersPaper: @LydiaBreakfast I agree wholeheartedly…problem is that’s a large obstacle. What I heari is simple interface, mashup of content #editorchat
[21:09:23] digitalsista: seems to be a bunch of chats going on tonight #editorchat #smallbizchat
[21:09:26] shortformernie: @milehighfool You got it. You can’t get the Web on the Metro. But you can get Express. We do our job if you go back to the Web. #editorchat
[21:09:34] netta50: @milehighfool Agreed, but worth it.U should’nt have to give a pint of blood for access, or B threatened with brain draining apps.#editorchat
[21:10:08] deegospel: i’ve lost track of the last question. #editorchat
[21:10:16] LydiaBreakfast: OK Q3, Has anyone found a good way to do long form writing? #editorchat
[21:10:19] milehighfool: @netta50 No more Zombie software. or zombie content, for that matter. #editorchat
[21:10:51] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Either on the Web or in print, yes? Speaks to how the Web seems to be killing the long form. #editorchat
[21:10:54] shortformernie: @LydiaBreakfast Considering my Twitter name, I’m leaving this one alone πŸ˜€ #editorchat
[21:11:36] ohmgee: @LydiaBreakfast whew. thank you! =) #editorchat
[21:11:37] stephauteri: @LydiaBreakfast: What do you mean re: Q3? (I’m late.) In terms of finding a market for it? #editorchat
[21:11:41] PDXsays: @LydiaBreakfast hi Lydia.. at @AboutUs for a presentation on editing and use if wikipedia and journalism #wikiwed #editorchat
[21:11:48] judywriter: Do readers benefit from innovation? We’ll, “innovation” is often barely “catching up.” Readers benefit from more & better. #editorchat
[21:11:51] milehighfool: @shortformernie Oh come on, Ernie. Take a sta. Make it bleed. Is the long form really dead? #editorchat
[21:11:55] anti9to5guide: Do you mean no. 2 pencil vs. laptop? πŸ˜‰ Kidding. I still like essays for anthologies & the few media outlets that buy ’em. #editorchat
[21:12:06] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie C’mon Ernie, if you were going to do it, how would you? Sequential narrative? #editorchat
[21:12:11] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast I’m not sure long form is viable anymore. #editorchat
[21:12:17] wordful: Long form writing works when the narrative creates a highly engaging, sacred space. Stevepavlina.com is a good example of this. #editorchat
[21:12:18] KatPowers: Whoops! Mother in law called. What is Q3? #editorchat
[21:12:22] LydiaBreakfast: @PDXsays Hi, ooh that sounds good! #editorchat
[21:12:35] milehighfool: Because I don’t buy it. I’m of the mind that the Web and social media offer limitless opporunities for low-cost experimentation. #editorchat
[21:12:36] joecortez: Q3: Long form is never dead — that’s effectively what books are. Very, VERY long form. #editorchat
[21:12:45] LydiaBreakfast: @stephauteri how to do it, how to find a market, etc. #editorchat
[21:13:11] judywriter: @LydiaBreakfast Q3, leaving that one alone too. #editorchat
[21:13:19] LydiaBreakfast: @joecortez LOL #editorchat
[21:13:45] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers Has anyone found a good way to do long form writing? #editorchat
[21:13:48] stephauteri: Q3: Finding a market for it is so tough. Everything now is listicles and bullet points and charts and graphs. #editorchat
[21:13:48] shortformernie: @milehighfool @lydiabreakfast I’ve banked my entire career on anything but the long form. I’d say it’s not my forte. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:13:51] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Essay is a perfect form for the Web. Look at Salon and Slate. #editorchat
[21:13:52] deegospel: q3: White Paper. I love a Moleskine Notebook. Makes me feel intelligent #editorchat
[21:14:03] UrbanMuseWriter: Q3 outside of books, the outlets for long-form NF is shrinking, which is as shame. #editorchat
[21:14:29] WillRogersPaper: Long form can survived if enhanced with images, video and audio #editorchat
[21:14:31] shortformernie: Q3: But that said, I do think the long form never really died on the Web. Have you seen how long some blog posts are? Really? #editorchat
[21:14:33] anti9to5guide: Yes, Salon/Slate are the bomb. #editorchat
[21:14:37] deegospel: @mario1123 lol #editorchat
[21:14:39] stephauteri: Q3: But I love those sites that still traffic in long-form stuff. As @milehighfool says, sites like Salon are a godsend. #editorchat
[21:14:41] JMegonigal: Q3: IWill we see a new trend emerge? mags; long-form mags; books. Trend for mags points to bit info. But long form not dead yet! #editorchat
[21:14:45] DavisFreeberg: I think that longform content is more attractive to niche audiences than the masses. If your pub is focused it has more value #editorchat
[21:15:19] milehighfool: So who’s had success writing the long form recently? Anyone? Longer than, say, 1,200 words. (Which used to be short.) #editorchat
[21:15:20] judywriter: @milehighfool I agree re limitless opportuniies for low-cost experimentation. Gotta love change in this business! #editorchat
[21:15:25] anti9to5guide: Just printed out a couple mediabistro articles on outlets that buy essays. It’s from 2008. Half of them are probably gone now. #editorchat
[21:15:36] LydiaBreakfast: RT @WillRogersPaper Long form can survived if enhanced with images, video and audio #editorchat
[21:15:41] deegospel: q3: @milehighfool Oh I agree. #editorchat
[21:15:45] shortformernie: Q3: Ultimately, if you have a good article and it’s compelling, people will read it. Really, short-form is for sorting the junk. #editorchat
[21:16:02] stephauteri: @anti9to5guide: I believe the MB guides are being updated right now. Thank god. #editorchat
[21:16:14] milehighfool: @JMegonigal I badly want to see a new magazine dedicated to nothing but the very best essays. Or is it already out there? #editorchat
[21:16:18] judywriter: @deegospel LOL #editorchat
[21:16:38] anti9to5guide: Yeah, sure, something for a book anthology that I wrote last month. #editorchat
[21:16:42] JMegonigal: @jamieprince That’s true. There’s a psych response to mags and books that papers dont have. Does that = Survival? Maybe. #editorchat
[21:16:44] UrbanMuseWriter: @anti9to5guide They’re working on updating & adding a part 3. Stay tuned! #editorchat
[21:16:49] stephauteri: @milehighfool: I just did a 2,000-word piece for Nerve. They kept cutting and cutting, though. #editorchat
[21:16:52] milehighfool: @shortformernie Disagree. When done well, the short form is pure art. #editorchat
[21:17:00] judywriter: Long form isn’t my fave. I could never get through a New Yorker. #editorchat
[21:17:02] SpecialDee: Q1 Great content is fine but the user experience must be enjoyable or the visitor will go to a site that is enjoyable/easy2use #editorchat
[21:17:15] joecortez: Q3: If you are passionate about the topic, and give a reason to find out how the story ends, they’ll follow the long form thru. #editorchat
[21:17:22] netta50: The definition of flash fiction is under 1500 words. What definition is “long form”? #editorchat
[21:17:33] WillRogersPaper: If sites are Hyperlocal, or Hyperfocus on niche – long form connects with a community or specific market – content still drives #editorchat
[21:17:44] stephauteri: Long-form has always been my fave, but being a paid blogger has made my ability to write long-form suffer. #editorchat
[21:17:47] mobienthusiast: Who is tweeting #editorchat questions please?
[21:17:48] UrbanMuseWriter: RT @milehighfool: @shortformernie Disagree. When done well, the short form is pure art. (here, here! almost like a haiku) #editorchat
[21:17:53] fixin2: Sorry I’m late to the dance. News editor for small daily in Mississippi. #editorchat
[21:17:57] JMegonigal: @milehighfool Not that I’m aware, but there r essay mags that r still VERY strong, right? think Harpers and New Yorker as stds. #editorchat
[21:18:08] anti9to5guide: @stephauteri @UrbanMuseWriter Yeah, saw that post on upod, which is why I went to check the earlier one(s). πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:18:11] shortformernie: @milehighfool There’s an art to sorting the junk. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:18:12] milehighfool: @stephauteri Outstanding. What details can you share about the assignment itself? Was the length intimidating for the ed.? #editorchat
[21:18:14] SpecialDee: Q1 difference between reading from computer screen and reading from paper; screens use diff neuro paths. #editorchat
[21:18:41] deegospel: RT @LydiaBreakfast: OK Q3, Has anyone found a good way to do long form writing? #editorchat
[21:19:02] LydiaBreakfast: @mobienthusiast I do the Qs #editorchat
[21:19:10] wordful: @shortformernie I don’t know…you seem to have a really artful touch with the short form on your blog. #editorchat
[21:19:19] stephauteri: @milehighfool: It was actually the length they originally asked for, but they’ve suddenly decided to go shorter across the board #editorchat
[21:19:28] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Q3 Still good mags out there. Most, if not all, are online as well, though. #editorchat
[21:19:33] stephauteri: @milehighfool: Bad timing for me, I suppose! #editorchat
[21:19:40] lauriemeisel: Q3 I don’t see long form on the web sustaining itself nowadays w/o the extra images or multimedia. Web audiences bore faster #editorchat
[21:19:43] milehighfool: @SpecialDee Wow. That sounds so William Gibson. What’s the net neuro result? #editorchat
[21:19:54] anti9to5guide: Since you bring up short online attention spans, curious, what is everyone’s max word length they’ll read in a reported column? #editorchat
[21:20:15] SpecialDee: Q1 adding diff types of media 2 site such as videos 2 accompany stories, podcasts, live chats 2 engage readers 3 times/week. #editorchat
[21:20:22] deegospel: q3: I love long form writing. I get very little requests outside of Lit & Industry Trade Journals to write. #editorchat
[21:20:38] stephauteri: @anti9to5guide: I think it depends on how compelling a piece is, especially in the first few graphs. #editorchat
[21:20:42] SuburbNews: Agree RT @WillRogersPaper If sites are Hyperlocal- long form connects with a community or specific market – content still drives #editorchat
[21:20:50] deegospel: @anti9to5guide 250 words #editorchat
[21:20:51] LydiaBreakfast: @anti9to5guide printed I can read thousands of words. Online, two page clicks, maybe three #editorchat
[21:21:00] stephauteri: @anti9to5guide: I’ll follow a piece for pages if the first few graphs pull me in. #editorchat
[21:21:09] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Most of the time, I write to 600 words. #editorchat
[21:21:12] shortformernie: @wordful To clarify: By sorting the junk, I mean organization and clarity. A good editor can clear the hay and find the needle. #editorchat
[21:21:28] DavisFreeberg: @anti9to5guide it depends on the content. I’ll spend all night reading a boring 200 page legal doc if it’s the right topic. #editorchat
[21:21:55] fixin2: Q3: I think long form on the Internet will have to be interspersed and supplemented with other media, broken into series. #editorchat
[21:21:59] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Which I know is crazy short. Wrote a 900-word query last night. #editorchat
[21:22:00] netta50: Online web copy assignment for me rarely exceed 500 words. #editorchat
[21:22:05] deegospel: @LydiaBreakfast I rarely scroll past the screen. My book blog was created with short form in mind, but my readers want more… #editorchat
[21:22:28] anti9to5guide: Interesting. I have an online column that’s supposed to be at least 2 screens 750 words. I often wind up at 1K words, 3 screens. #editorchat
[21:22:32] PDXsays: @LydiaBreakfast I am not sure about others’tweets in room.. hope they are contributing to body of knowledge #wikiwed #editorchat
[21:22:38] milehighfool: @DavisFreeberg Right. All depends on the content, and the reader’s needs. #editorchat
[21:22:50] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Wowza, that must’ve been some article you’re pitching! #editorchat
[21:22:50] DavisFreeberg: pagination has more to do with whether or not I keep reading an article, then the actual length #editorchat
[21:22:59] wordful: @shortformernie thanks for clarifying. Good editorial skills are must-have on the web. So much–I mean SO much–junk out there. #editorchat
[21:23:07] pomahony2: I am reading #editorchat. I wish that every 5 min, they would stop and they would tell us newbies what they are talking about @pomahony2
[21:23:15] TheaPatrick: Just checkin in,following the chat but no comment yet;great advice @shortformernie ! http://www.happilymarriedafter.wordpress.com #editorchat
[21:23:45] JMegonigal: Bouncing in, bouncing out. Goodnight, all. #editorchat
[21:23:47] shortformernie: @anti9to5guide My blog: 100 words is a stretching-it maximum. Some posts are as short as six words. #editorchat
[21:23:48] milehighfool: @netta50 Same. But I badly want to push the limits. I want to prove that there’s life after trying an anecdotal lede. #editorchat
[21:23:50] anti9to5guide: @deegospel I initially gasped when you said “250 words,” but yeah, color me long-winded. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[21:24:10] LydiaBreakfast: @pomahony2 we are on long form writing – how to do it and where to sell it #editorchat
[21:24:16] WillRogersPaper: Content that connects is key, multimedia essential, frequency of postings &updates – how important? I agree Org key 4 long form #editorchat
[21:24:16] anti9to5guide: @shortformernie Fun. Going to check it out this evening. #editorchat
[21:24:17] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Personal essay, it turns out. Wish me luck πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:24:30] UrbanMuseWriter: @DavisFreeberg it’s like Disneyland, where you’re tricked into waiting 45 min for a ride, bc ou don’t see how long the line is #editorchat
[21:24:54] netta50: @milehighfool My roots are in flash, so I’ve had to adapt to fit a lot of info in much less space. #editorchat
[21:24:57] wordful: RT @shortformernie @wordful By sorting junk, I mean organization and clarity. A good editor can clear the hay & find the needle #editorchat
[21:25:02] SuburbNews: @shortformernie Six words? Wow. And people thought 140 characters wasn’t enough! πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[21:25:08] AbsoluteWrite: So no – the longform isn’t dead. In some ways, in terms of fiction, might see a renaissance – and NF should get a lift from that #editorchat
[21:25:12] lauriemeisel: Q3 Even w/an engaging piece, if it is split w/too many pages online, readers drop off. And page splits are due to ad $$ #editorchat
[21:25:13] milehighfool: @WillRogersPaper Frequency also seems to be part of the new currency. On the Web, readers are like a hungry child. #editorchat
[21:26:10] netta50: @milehighfool That’s the CLIENT’S specs. They’re ordering shorter articles for their web copy. #editorchat
[21:26:08] KatPowers: RT @milehighfool @WillRogers Paper Frequency also seems to be part of the new currency. On the Web, readers are like a hungry ch #editorchat
[21:26:13] stephauteri: RT @wordful: By sorting junk, I mean organization and clarity. A good editor can clear the hay & find the needle. #editorchat
[21:26:32] milehighfool: @AbsoluteWrite That’s encouraging. But I wonder if the expectations are different for fiction? #editorchat
[21:26:32] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Good luck! Everyone’s fave thing to write, those PEs. #editorchat
[21:26:55] judywriter: @milehighfool Yeah, but the hungry children seem to prefer sugar to vegetables. Makes it a challenge for “real” stories. #editorchat
[21:27:03] stephauteri: @wordful: You’re so right. As traumatized as I was by my truncated essay, it was also nicely tightened in the editing process. #editorchat
[21:27:32] milehighfool: RT @judywriter Yeah, but the hungry children seem to prefer sugar to vegetables. Makes it a challenge for “real” stories. #editorchat
[21:27:43] fixin2: RT @judywriter: Yeah, but the hungry children seem to prefer sugar to vegetables. Makes it a challenge for “real” stories. #editorchat
[21:27:48] AbsoluteWrite: @milehighfool #editorchat Sure, until we see NF e-books take off the way, say, paranormal romance.
[21:27:49] deegospel: q3: @fixin2 usually if i have a more than 250 words on any of my columns I use utterli or btr to create a podcast they can hear #editorchat
[21:28:10] deegospel: @anti9to5guide lol i’m usually reading online content on my blackberry #editorchat
[21:28:11] WillRogersPaper: @milehighfool updating content online = TV channel surfers – view & move on. Give them something new each time they will return #editorchat
[21:28:18] LydiaBreakfast: Q4 – With sugar vs. veggies in mind, Editors, what are you doing to engage and work more effectively with writers? #editorchat
[21:28:26] wordful: @stephauteri Maybe I RTed that Editor statement wrong. @shortformernie said it, give him credit. #editorchat
[21:28:40] anti9to5guide: @stephauteri So great how much you can learn from a thoughtful editor who has the time to prune your piece. #editorchat
[21:29:06] SuburbNews: @judywriter Funny. Coworker calls them “broccoli stories.” Long stories eg lawsuit re: pension debacle. Dry, boring but imp. #editorchat
[21:29:11] stephauteri: RT @shortformernie: By sorting junk, I mean organization and clarity. A good editor can clear the hay & find the needle. #editorchat
[21:29:28] stephauteri: @wordful: Thanks dude! My bad. #editorchat
[21:29:31] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q4 – Editors, what are you doing to engage and work more effectively with writers? #editorchat
[21:29:49] KatPowers: Sooo many writers don’t understand what the new expectations are online. Communicating that is key (Is that Q4? Q5?) #editorchat
[21:30:01] deegospel: RT @lauriemeisel: Q3 Even w/an engaging piece, if it’s split w/many pages online, readers drop off. & page splits R due 2 ad $$ #editorchat
[21:30:05] anti9to5guide: @deegospel Ah, that explains it. I need to remember that some people are reading our work on a two-inch screen. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[21:30:15] WillRogersPaper: A4 – talk, talk, talk with writers. explore angles, glean nuggets, help them connect with reader #editorchat
[21:30:21] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers Q4 #editorchat
[21:30:23] milehighfool: @SuburbNews A perfect opportunity for innovation, no? Why do long stories have to be boring? Can’t they be dramatic and newsy? #editorchat
[21:30:37] judywriter: Q4. It’s good to have a mix of both types. Easier to get the variety w/ a lot of freelancers, especially now w/ high unemploy. #editorchat
[21:30:44] JMegonigal: Q4: try to build and maintain a SMALL pool/writers who know us + who we can spoil w/ conferences or food every once and a while. #editorchat
[21:30:54] KatPowers: @LydiaBreakfast d’oh! #editorchat
[21:30:56] jennipps: Hi, everyone! Bad connection at home finally let me in. Jen, freelance writer in south Oklahoma. #editorchat
[21:31:14] UrbanMuseWriter: @KatPowers tell us more! what do you wish writers did differently? #editorchat
[21:31:34] judywriter: @SuburbNews Certain ppl need those dry-but-important stories, & it establishes the pub as the authority. #editorchat
[21:31:34] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal hmmm food? drinks too? πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[21:31:39] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Excellent. And your branch office in Colorado opens when? #editorchat
[21:31:49] JMegonigal: Q4 I’ll pay for conferences for whole pool when I can – it builds them up and pays off for ME in the long run! #editorchat
[21:32:13] Hergett: @SuburbNews: @judywriter “Broccoli stories” possibly a reference to Lamott’s “Bird by Bird” #editorchat
[21:32:16] milehighfool: @jennipps Glad you made it, Jen. Talking about innovation success stories. #editorchat
[21:32:17] AbsoluteWrite: @milehighfool #editorchat in terms of longer form NF (10-20K words) It’s an area to examine, and e-book for handheld is the clear platform
[21:32:37] KatPowers: @UrbanMuseWriter You can’t wait for a print deadline, file now; Write with SEO in mind (Use name of town, not just “police said” #editorchat
[21:33:04] milehighfool: @AbsoluteWrite Agreed. This is one of those area where the Kindle could be a killer app. An iTablet from Apple, too. #editorchat
[21:33:18] DavisFreeberg: I bet brief but frequent articles is better 4 pubs that use ad revenue, while long is better for those who charge subscriptions #editorchat
[21:33:25] deegospel: @AbsoluteWrite Ebook. Yes, I agree. #editorchat
[21:33:45] milehighfool: RT @KatPowers: You can’t wait for a print deadline, file now; Write with SEO in mind (Use name of town, not just “police said” #editorchat
[21:33:49] SuburbNews: @Hergett I’ll ask him πŸ™‚ Yes, agree @milehighfool. Challenge is to make them more readable, compelling. Good writing, multimedia #editorchat
[21:33:50] judywriter: @Hergett That’s way too high-brow for me. I’m a NASCAR fan. LOL #editorchat
[21:33:55] jennipps: @KatPowers But at the same time, don’t write SEO for the sake of SEO or it doesn’t sound right. #editorchat
[21:34:09] JMegonigal: @milehighfool As soon as I can get there. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:34:19] milehighfool: @KatPowers So should today’s writers also be bloggers to learn these sorts of innovations? #editorchat
[21:34:28] deegospel: @Hergett I love “Bird by Bird” πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:34:34] KatPowers: @jennipps But there’s an art to it. #editorchat
[21:34:50] judywriter: @KatPowers The problem is that so few writers understand SEO. And they keep changing what the search engines pick up. #editorchat
[21:34:50] UrbanMuseWriter: @jennipps I think it becomes more natural with practice, but I’ve had to tell clients their SEO goals will destroy good content #editorchat
[21:35:13] KatPowers: @milehighfool I think blogging helps, but a good editor explaining the rules of the road will help most #editorchat
[21:35:16] jennipps: @KatPowers There definitely is that. #editorchat
[21:35:31] KatPowers: @judywriter And that’s why I’m learning from all you folks on twitter. #editorchat
[21:35:34] jennipps: @UrbanMuseWriter Agreed on all counts. You can spot the first SEO articles I did a mile away. lol #editorchat
[21:35:49] deegospel: @milehighfool Maybe not Blog owners, but it wouldn’t hurt for them to guestblog #editorchat
[21:35:50] judywriter: @milehighfool All pub writers should also be bloggers, IMHO. Adds dimension & personality. #editorchat
[21:35:51] milehighfool: @UrbanMuseWriter That officially qualifies you for writing sainthood in my book. #editorchat
[21:36:10] KatPowers: @UrbanMuseWriter I think you’re right that it can stink, but a little SEO goes a long way #editorchat
[21:36:25] UrbanMuseWriter: I won’t put a certain word in every post title just bc you want to rank higher for that word. It has to make sense! #editorchat
[21:36:30] LydiaBreakfast: so should editors start teaching SEO to their writers, or is it up to the writers to get schooled? #editorchat
[21:36:43] milehighfool: @KatPowers Yes. There’s really few things better than having a good editor to guide you. #editorchat
[21:36:46] KatPowers: RT @judywriter @milehighfool All pub writers should also be bloggers, IMHO. Adds dimension & personality. #editorchat
[21:36:56] jennipps: @KatPowers That’s a lesson I had to learn quickly. I’m not saying I’ve completely mastered it, but I feel like I’m getting there #editorchat
[21:37:00] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @KatPowers Yes. There’s really few things better than having a good editor to guide you. #editorchat
[21:37:18] KatPowers: @milehighfool A good editor who makes cookies is best #editorchat
[21:37:20] deegospel: @JMegonigal Yey for Anne Lamotte @Hergrett #editorchat
[21:37:29] SpecialDee: @KatPowers Blogs r community builders. What are blogs? Portals 2 topic-based world of information, comments, links, multimedia? #editorchat
[21:37:36] milehighfool: @KatPowers I agree. All freelancers, especially. Shows off your talent and topical interests to editors. #editorchat
[21:37:41] deegospel: RT @KatPowers: @milehighfool A good editor who makes cookies is best #editorchat
[21:37:41] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast I’d say it’s up to the individual writers to learn SEO. That’s not to say eds can’t point out good resources tho #editorchat
[21:37:50] SpecialDee: @milehighfool It’s the screen flicker that affects the way online content is read AND understood #editorchat http://bit.ly/pTeGm
[21:38:50] JDEbberly: I definitely agree with you Jen that writers need to learn SEO. Lots of great blogs about it. #editorchat
[21:39:05] KatPowers: @SpecialDee Maybe I like them on blogs as that’s how I learned this web stuff #editorchat
[21:39:17] JMegonigal: @jennipps Agreed. SOME editor are leaders and will take it on themselves to teach, train, stretch. Many just have a title. #editorchat
[21:39:31] lauriemeisel: @milehighfool Interesting point re: writers being bloggers. Good bloggers have learned what is needed to keep readers returning #editorchat
[21:39:40] deegospel: Editors should know SEO. I edit for SEM, and let the writer just Write. #editorchat
[21:39:44] joecortez: SEO is proof that you know your audience — and how to interact with them. If you don’t know, better ask somebody! #editorchat
[21:39:45] milehighfool: What about communication tools? Anyone tried creating editorial social networks using tools like Yammer? #editorchat
[21:39:55] KatPowers: @JDEbberly what’s the best blog to send a reporter to to learn SEO? #editorchat
[21:40:17] UrbanMuseWriter: Q4 Lately, I’ve found that the eds I work w/ don’t have a formal style guide. I can read the pub, but clear expectations help #editorchat
[21:40:31] jennipps: @JMegonigal I think relying on eds to teach writers is a mistake. Our initiative is part of what puts us above others query-wise #editorchat
[21:40:32] SpecialDee: Q3 I think long form on the web is fine but it is tied to design: typography, graphics. #editorchat
[21:40:42] JDEbberly: @KatPowers I’ll have to get back to you on that. #editorchat
[21:40:56] deegospel: @KatPowers @skydiver @problogger @chrisbrogran are great starts #editorchat
[21:41:06] milehighfool: Yammer is like a private version of Twitter, BTW. #editorchat
[21:41:30] wordful: If you focus on writing clear, concise and compelling copy, you will naturally write keyword-dense copy. [I stole this statement #editorchat
[21:41:32] AbsoluteWrite: #editorchat We’ve used LJ groups, conference AIM chats, private messageboard rooms, Google docs, and wikis, to good effect
[21:41:38] jennipps: @milehighfool Thanks for that. I’d heard of Yammer but never what it was like/about. #editorchat
[21:41:41] stephauteri: RT @jennipps: I think relying on eds to teach writers is a mistake. Our initiative is part of what puts us above others. #editorchat
[21:41:43] AngEngland: RT @judywriter: @milehighfool All pub writers should also be bloggers, IMHO. Adds dimension & personality. #editorchat
[21:42:10] JDEbberly: @deegospel Yep, @ChrisBrogan and @Problogger are really great at SEO #editorchat
[21:42:16] milehighfool: @joecortez Your audience, or your search engine? Do SEO and audience really correlate that closely? #editorchat
[21:42:16] SpecialDee: Q3 There are different “rules” for what is pleasing to the eye in print and what is pleasing on the web. #editorchat
[21:42:24] shortformernie: @wordful Nice steal! I agree with that completely. #editorchat
[21:42:33] KatPowers: Google groups has worked for a number of us, @milehighfool #editorchat
[21:42:37] anti9to5guide: Have to duck out. My date/dinner is here and I’m still in my robe. Thx for the great chat, folks. #editorchat
[21:43:02] deegospel: @anti9to5guide have a great night. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:43:04] LydiaBreakfast: @anti9to5guide enjoy the date πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:43:05] RTseo: RT @milehighfool @joecortez your audience, or your search engine? do seo and audience really correlate that closely? #editorchat
[21:43:07] KatPowers: I mean Google Docs. Google Groups? #editorchat
[21:43:23] Hergett: SEO is crucial for eds today, but how to convince privately-held (aka stodgy ) papers it’s necessary is still a challenge for me #editorchat
[21:43:29] JDEbberly: http://chrisbrogan.com and http://problogger.net are great blogs to learn SEO #editorchat
[21:43:35] SpecialDee: Q3 special sections may have 8 pages 2 provide quality articles. Both online and in print = 500 word articles, 750 maximum. #editorchat
[21:43:35] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Have fun. #editorchat
[21:43:36] lauriemeisel: @LydiaBreakfast Both. editors need to know SEO as do effective web writers #editorchat
[21:43:56] KatPowers: @Hergett When your page views are bigger than theirs, they’ll get it #editorchat
[21:44:05] JMegonigal: @jennipps True. Can’t rely. But editors who CAN lead, should. #editorchat
[21:44:08] joecortez: @milehighfool If your audience can’t find you, what good is the content? That being said, writers can also overdose on SEO… #editorchat
[21:44:11] KatPowers: @JDEbberly woot! #editorchat
[21:44:20] AbsoluteWrite: @LydiaBreakfast The problem is excessive SEO SEV keyword-loading can actually count as spam and too often writers Don’t Get It #editorchat
[21:44:24] shortformernie: @anti9to5guide Have a good one! #editorchat
[21:44:28] jennipps: @JMegonigal I have no argument with that. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:44:34] netta50: RT @lauriemeisel: @LydiaBreakfast Both. editors need to know SEO as do effective web writers #editorchat
[21:44:37] joecortez: @milehighfool Your point is understood though — balancing quality content with SEO is truly a science. #editorchat
[21:44:50] JMegonigal: @milehighfool We are now building an intranet for our writers where they can pick up assignments, get resources, billing, etc. #editorchat
[21:44:59] JaySlacks: I wish writers could spend more time writing and less time on the business end of things. But those days are over. #editorchat
[21:45:01] LydiaBreakfast: Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check? #editorchat
[21:45:11] GetResults: Like RT @JDEbberly I definitely agree w U Jen that writers need 2 learn SEO. Lots of great blogs about it. #editorchat – pitch 2 strength
[21:45:18] LydiaBreakfast: That was Q 5 folks – Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check? #editorchat
[21:45:39] UrbanMuseWriter: @JMegonigal your intranet sounds fantastic – a great central resource for writers! #editorchat
[21:45:41] KatPowers: @JaySlacks I don’t remember a time there wasn’t a biz end to writing #editorchat
[21:45:45] milehighfool: @joecortez I’m sure that’s true. Wish I had a better understanding of it. Seems to be an area where writers can help. #editorchat
[21:46:00] deegospel: @AbsoluteWrite exactly that’s why i edit for SEO and SEM. don’t want writers losing their voice #editorchat
[21:46:27] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: That was Q 5 folks – Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check? #editorchat
[21:46:38] CathyWebSavvyPR: RT @joecortez: @milehighfool Your point is understood though — balancing quality content with SEO is truly a science. #editorchat
[21:47:09] LydiaBreakfast: Switching gears from SEO to sourcing : Q5 Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check? #editorchat
[21:47:15] KatPowers: Q5 @milehighfool the humble link? Keeps a lot of folks honest #editorchat
[21:47:16] milehighfool: Also, an early killjoy warning as Q5 goes out: 10 minutes till we’re back to intros and a link, if you want to post one. #editorchat
[21:47:23] netta50: @JaySlacks Me too. I spend more times sometimes on the biz end than actual writing.#editorchat
[21:47:24] deegospel: RT @LydiaBreakfast: q5: Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check? #editorchat
[21:47:39] JDEbberly: RT @joecortez: @milehighfool Your point is understood though — balancing quality content with SEO is truly a science. #editorchat
[21:47:52] merylkevans: I think many writers who claim to have SEO and SEM expertise really do not. Many don’t even know the difference between them. #editorchat
[21:48:26] jennipps: Q5 – I’m on the lookout for additional sourcing sites other than HARO. I use Twitter some for this… #editorchat
[21:48:38] milehighfool: @KatPowers A link rather than a pitch. So if you have a site or a blog, tell us. #editorchat
[21:49:03] jennipps: @merylkevans I admit I need to learn about SEM. #editorchat
[21:49:24] merylkevans: Q5: Social networks. Blogs, LinkedIn, Twitter. #editorchat
[21:49:43] milehighfool: @merylkevans (Raises hand.) I don’t know the difference. #editorchat
[21:50:10] merylkevans: @jennipps The problem is that SEM is about buying ads & keywords, not writing. I wrote about the difference – tough article. #editorchat
[21:50:25] LydiaBreakfast: @milehighfool difference between “optimization” and “marketing” #editorchat
[21:50:41] UrbanMuseWriter: Q5 Anyone used PitchRate.com? Sounds similar to HARO but I haven’t tried it #editorchat
[21:50:45] LydiaBreakfast: paid vs. free #editorchat
[21:50:52] JaySlacks: @netta50 I think part of that is our impatience as writers. We want recognition badly. Good writing takes decades, not years. #editorchat
[21:51:24] netta50: @jennipps Twitter is a great gateway. #editorchat
[21:51:44] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Which is which? Paid / free? #editorchat
[21:51:55] milehighfool: @JaySlacks True. And that’s discouraging for a lot of would-be writers who don’t want to enjoy the journey. #editorchat
[21:52:02] LydiaBreakfast: @JaySlacks Agreed – did you read Gladwell’s Outliers? He argues it takes 10K hours to become really good at anything #editorchat
[21:52:04] merylkevans: @UrbanMuseWriter Q5: PitchRate is nice. It’s a web site and you can receive emails. Also media kitty, but not completely free. #editorchat
[21:52:04] netta50: @JaySlacks Agreed. That’s part of it. The other part is earning a living as you go. Balance is hard to find. #editorchat
[21:52:18] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR SEO free, SEM pay #editorchat
[21:52:41] CathyWebSavvyPR: RT @merylkevans: Q5: Social networks. Blogs, LinkedIn, Twitter. #editorchat
[21:52:51] milehighfool: On Q5: Has anyone successfully used FB for sourcing? LinkedIn? #editorchat
[21:52:55] LydiaBreakfast: RT @netta50 Agreed. That’s part of it. The other part is earning a living as you go. Balance is hard to find. AMEN! #editorchat
[21:53:02] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR SEO free, SEM pay #editorchat
[21:53:11] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast K. Thanks. #editorchat
[21:53:22] bacigalupe: Following the #editorchat discussion, hard to respond quickly with my itouch, thank you all for the great ideas on lenght and scope
[21:53:33] JaySlacks: @KatPowers But there was a time where the writing was more important than the business. That’s gone, sadly. #editorchat
[21:53:33] jennipps: @milehighfool Facebook, never. LinkedIn, I’ve gotten close but it didn’t work out. #editorchat
[21:53:44] JMegonigal: @milehighfool We used LinkedIN recently. VERY efficient. Cut the column time by 75% easy. #editorchat
[21:53:50] UrbanMuseWriter: @milehighfool HARO grew out of a FB group & I used it when it was on FB #editorchat
[21:54:01] merylkevans: SEO – organic… drives your site’s pages to higher results on search engines. SEP – paid placement and lots of testing. #editorchat
[21:54:10] bacigalupe: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Facebook is too slow after using twitter. Fan and group pages are static and don’t invite discussion #editorchat
[21:54:20] merylkevans: @merylkevans That’s SEM not SEP! #editorchat
[21:54:28] netta50: It’s the rare non-fiction writer that doesn’t indulge in their fiction habit. Fiction takes longer; NF pays the bills. #editorchat
[21:54:47] DavisFreeberg: @milehighfool I’ve used LinkedIn b4. Glassdoor is also good resource. My fav though is reverse server searches via yougotsignal #editorchat
[21:54:52] milehighfool: Where else? Name one great must-use source before we close. #editorchat
[21:55:07] JBMovies: @merylkevans I don’t pay for ppl to visit my site. Everything based on ppl conversing with me, or PR #editorchat
[21:55:09] judywriter: @milehighfool Q5. I’ve found twitter to be exceptional for sources, FB not much, LinkedIn for prof colleagues. #editorchat
[21:55:12] UrbanMuseWriter: @UrbanMuseWriter Sometimes I’ll post a FB status update about the sources I need. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. #editorchat
[21:55:23] milehighfool: My favorite is the news sites of the popular analyst firms. NPD, comScore, etc. #editorchat
[21:55:28] jennipps: @netta50 Hee. I can vouch for that. I’m dusting off my short fiction & sending it out. Got a rejection today. Onward & upward. #editorchat
[21:55:40] deegospel: q5: @milehighfool i used LinkedIn when I’m building content for Trade Journal. for entertainment mags photobloggers are a help #editorchat
[21:55:40] merylkevans: @milehighfool Good old fashioned Internet research. #editorchat
[21:55:50] JaySlacks: @LydiaBreakfast Most of the best writers weren’t writers when they were writing. The writing came later, raw and brilliant. #editorchat
[21:55:55] Colgo: @milehighfool I used LinkedIn for info – asked same q on FB, Twitter; best response on LinkedIn despite being smallest network #editorchat
[21:56:02] KatPowers: I write about a city, so this is over my head. I use a phone book. Q5 #editorchat
[21:56:03] lauriemeisel: @milehighfool Q5 Haven’t personally but work with an editor who successfully used LinkedIn for sourcing. #editorchat
[21:56:06] judywriter: @JMegonigal What’s your secret to using LinkedIn? I have 200+ contacts & still find Twitter much better. #editorchat
[21:56:11] milehighfool: For people, I like specialist sites: GameSpy or the discussion boards at Fool.com. #editorchat
[21:56:38] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: For people, I like specialist sites: GameSpy or the discussion boards at Fool.com. #editorchat
[21:56:44] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Q5 Sourcing on FB? Not yet but lots of chatter w/colleagues. #editorchat
[21:57:01] milehighfool: We’re at the time, folks. Four minutes to go so, if you want, re-intro yourself and post a link. #editorchat
[21:57:09] netta50: Twitter trends, Google trends, morning news #editorchat
[21:57:11] CathyWebSavvyPR: @judywriter On linked in – one key to reaching people is to ask and answer questions both on mian site and w/in groups #editorchat
[21:57:26] deegospel: @AbsoluteWrite True. Readers will disconnect easy and You don’t want to lose their loyalty. #editorchat
[21:57:43] milehighfool: And while you’re doing that I have a public service announcement. We’re thinking of upgrading editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat
[21:57:59] JaySlacks: @milehighfool Our society has supported the Arts since when? 60s? 70s? Writers can’t write if they are networking constantly #editorchat
[21:58:00] JMegonigal: @judywriter I find L.I. to have a higher “credibility” bc of the amount of info. For my purposes, much better. #editorchat
[21:58:02] LydiaBreakfast: Almost ready to wrap so, if you want, re-intro yourself and post a link. #editorchat
[21:58:12] jennipps: Jen Nipps, fl writer in s Oklahoma. New article up on TutorialBlog – http://www.tutorialblog.org/author/jen-nipps. Also new @OWFI PR #editorchat
[21:58:17] CathyWebSavvyPR: RT @JMegonigal: @judywriter I find L.I. to have a higher “credibility” bc of the amount of info. For my purposes, much better. #editorchat
[21:58:18] JDEbberly: JD Ebberly hailing from N VA, writes about blogging & new media. The only link U need is https://editorchat.wordpress.com/ #editorchat
[21:58:22] JMegonigal: @judywriter I created a group for the mag; then set Discussions on that group to get sources/info. #editorchat
[21:58:29] judywriter: @CathyWebSavvyPR OK, I’ll give it another chance. thanks! #editorchat
[21:58:35] deegospel: @milehighfool q5: I do use Facebook. I have a box on there. I tell them what articles I’m working on & they connect #editorchat
[21:58:40] shortformernie: @milehighfool Howso? #editorchat
[21:58:47] stephauteri: Oy. I had nothin’ those last 2 qs. C’est la vie. Thanks for the chat everyone! I’m a writer for Nerve and other fine pubs. #editorchat
[21:58:49] jennipps: RT @JaySlacks @milehighfool Our society has supported the Arts since when? 60s? 70s? Writers can’t write if they are networking #editorchat
[21:58:52] Hergett: @milehighfool I have effectively used FB for sourcing a couple times, especially locally where I have mutual contacts. #editorchat
[21:58:52] merylkevans: ID is my name and the article I mentioned on SEO/SEM is here: http://bit.ly/WIlIV #editorchat
[21:58:56] judywriter: @JMegonigal I can understand that. #editorchat
[21:59:02] UrbanMuseWriter: Thx, all! I’m Susan, a Boston-based business/lifestyle writer who blogs at http://www.UrbanMuseWriter.com #editorchat
[21:59:03] KatPowers: editing a weekly paper and an online daily at http://www.wickedlocal.com/somerville outside Boston #editorchat
[21:59:07] SuburbNews: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Thanks for another lovely chat. Now time to get my kids in bed (way past bed time, ugh) #editorchat
[21:59:10] milehighfool: If you’d be at all open to donating a few bucks to help with the cost, DM or @reply to me or Lydia. #editorchat
[21:59:19] netta50: RT @JaySlacks: @milehighfool Our society has supported the Arts since 60’sWriters can’t write if they are networking constantly #editorchat
[21:59:21] shortformernie: Ernie Smith, Designer Wash. Post Express, editor ShortFormBlog (http://shortformblog.com) AND NO I DON’T HATE LONG FORM! πŸ˜€ #editorchat
[21:59:33] jennipps: @merylkevans Thanks for the link, Meryl. #editorchat
[21:59:42] CathyWebSavvyPR: @milehighfool are you bringing it over to wordpress.org on it’s own URL? #editorchat
[21:59:47] JMegonigal: Jordana Megonigal, editor-in-chief of a business pub in Greenville, S.C. http://www.InsideBlackBox.com #editorchat
[21:59:57] milehighfool: @shortformernie Clean up the stly, load pages faster, etc. #editorchat
[21:59:58] JDEbberly: Thanks for another FABULOUS chat, @milehighfool & @LydiaBreakfast and everyone at Editorchat, week after riveting week ! #editorchat
[22:00:03] judywriter: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast This really isn’t fair. I didn’t intend to stay for the whole chat. Thx for great session! #editorchat
[22:00:24] jennipps: @milehighfool If you can take PayPal, I can/will. #editorchat
[22:00:33] deegospel: Dee Stewart blogger, pr pro, mag editor, former journalist. Atlanta. read my profile. this was my first time here. had fun. #editorchat
[22:00:35] shortformernie: I faded out a little at the end there but tonight was a really good chat, guys. Feel free to follow me @shortformblog or here. #editorchat
[22:00:38] joecortez: Thanks for a great chat! Joe Cortez, Freelance Writer/Multimedia Producer for Hire! Latest Project: http://tinyurl.com/cn88vd #editorchat
[22:00:57] JaySlacks: @netta50 That’s interesting. I think fiction requires a strong and powerful distraction sometimes. #editorchat
[22:00:59] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for another great chat! Back to the pollen in Iow-ay for me. #editorchat
[22:00:59] milehighfool: @judywriter Glad you could make it. Thanks to all. Keep going if you’d like but we’re about out of here. #editorchat
[22:01:06] LydiaBreakfast: @joecortez Thanks Joe #editorchat
[22:01:15] SpecialDee: Q5: LinkedIn discussion and QandA areas are great resources. #editorchat
[22:01:21] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie Thanks Ernie πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[22:01:30] ohmgee: re-intro: martin gee: lurker, art director of oregon business magazine, former newspaper designer (merc). tweets @nwspprscppln #editorchat
[22:01:32] joecortez: Much thanks and appreciation to @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast for hosting another wonderful session! #editorchat
[22:01:44] Hergett: Rachel Hergett, reporter/editor Bozeman Daily Chronicle. http://www.dailychronicle.com/ & http://www.linkedin.com/pub/12/b9b/26 #editorchat
[22:01:51] jennipps: Great chat. Sorry I missed most of it. Actually almost completely forgot about it. Too wild a weekend at the conference I guess. #editorchat
[22:01:52] LydiaBreakfast: @ohmgee Thanks Martin, please join us again #editorchat
[22:01:57] CathyWebSavvyPR: Travel writer from se PA & location/attraction photographer (PR pro & blogger 2 but the walls between the 2 are inviolate) #editorchat
[22:01:58] judywriter: @JMegonigal Congrats on being so forward-looking & innovative. Clearly it’s working! #editorchat
[22:02:00] KatPowers: Indeed. You folks rock #editorchat
[22:02:01] JDEbberly: Transcripts of tonight’s chat can be found at https://editorchat.wordpress.com/ & http://twemes.com/editorchat #editorchat
[22:02:03] merylkevans: This is one of my two fave chats. Thanks, @lydiabreakfast and @milehighfool for another winner. #editorchat
[22:02:07] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Glad you came Rachel #editorchat
[22:02:18] netta50: Freelance writer/editor, and you can find me on http://www.wordwebbing.com. Great chat, as usual, thanks Tim and Lydia! #editorchat
[22:02:24] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans Thanks for coming #editorchat
[22:02:38] lauriemeisel: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Thanks for having this newbie. Learned a lot! #editorchat
[22:02:39] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers As do you, our chatters πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[22:02:58] milehighfool: @merylkevans Thanks much. These are always fun and informative for us. #editorchat
[22:03:01] wendyperrin: Another late night at the office. Finally on the train headed home . . . & find out I’ve missed #editorchat yet again. Drat.
[22:03:40] JDEbberly: @jennipps That must have been one memorable conference, Jen! Glad you enjoyed it! πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[22:03:47] milehighfool: @wendyperrin You’ll make it one of these days. Thanks for the sentiment. We appreciate it. #editorchat
[22:03:53] LydiaBreakfast: @wendyperrin sorry you missed it, we would like to hear from you sometime #editorchat
[22:04:00] CathyWebSavvyPR: Thanks @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast for running a great chat – I mostly listened in – #editorchat
[22:04:15] LydiaBreakfast: @lauriemeisel Glad you came πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[22:04:19] deegospel: @LydiaBreakfast thanks for inviting me. i had fun #editorchat
[22:04:21] SpecialDee: Thanks @LydiaBreakfast and @milehighfool for hosting #editorchat Always learn much!
[22:04:31] KatPowers: @wendyperrin RT @JDEbberly Transcripts of tonight’s chat can be found at https://editorchat.wordpress.com/ & http://twemes.com/ed #editorchat
[22:04:41] LydiaBreakfast: @deegospel you are most welcome πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[22:04:56] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Ms Dee, thank you! #editorchat
[22:05:24] JMegonigal: @judywriter Thank you. That’s sweet. #editorchat
[22:05:46] netta50: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast Always interesting and fabulous. Thanks. #editorchat
[22:05:59] AbsoluteWrite: #editorchat thanks, all. As always, was interesting and excellent food for thought
[22:06:12] JMegonigal: Good night. Thanks again to @lydiabreakfast and @milehighfool for a great #editorchat
[22:06:39] LydiaBreakfast: Thanks all for coming, your co-host Lydia Dishman, freelance features writer for business, travel, food and style (and more!) #editorchat
[22:07:02] judywriter: @milehighfool Will you take a contribution via PayPal? #editorchat
[22:07:07] milehighfool: Great work, all. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, freelance writer of big ideas: http://timbeyers.com #editorchat
[22:07:37] shortformernie: @lydiabreakfast @milehighfool Thanks for the great work as always guys! #editorchat
[22:08:04] LydiaBreakfast: public service announcement: We’re thinking of upgrading editorchat.wordpress.com, DM us if you’d like to donate and help out πŸ™‚ #editorchat

Written by LydiaBreakfast

May 12, 2009 at 11:02 am

Transcript of #editorchat 4/29

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Julia Angwin of The Wall Street Journal joins us as guest moderator tonight.

[20:32:26] milehighfool: Rule No. 1 Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:32:56] milehighfool: Rule No. 2 Stay on topic. #editorchat

[20:32:57] jimmcbee: @LydiaBreakfast Exponentially more fun. Logarithmically, even. #editorchat

[20:33:11] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Hi Jen glad you could make it πŸ™‚ stay as long as you can, this is going to be great! #editorchat

[20:33:24] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. MaÒ€ℒam.) #editorchat

[20:33:26] KatPowers: will join #editorchat as soon as 4 yr old stops tantrumming

[20:33:28] mariaelenaduron: Grateful 2 join in on the chat 2nite! Am looking 4ward 2 gr8 convo, tips, + advice. Followers will B noisy w/lots of value! #editorchat

[20:33:36] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee whoa don’t go getting all quadratic equations on me πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:33:45] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:34:15] JDEbberly: @LydiaBreakfast @jimmcbee LOL on the quadratics #Editorchat

[20:34:19] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers take your time we’ll be here until 10pm EST #editorchat

[20:34:19] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Definitely. I might leave Tweetchat open & check in from time to time. #editorchat

[20:34:26] milehighfool: @KatPowers Tantrumrunning at 4? Sigh. Our youngest just turned 4. #editorchat

[20:35:09] bikelady: Hi there. I’ve not yet participated in this but figured I’d give it a try. I write about business, travel and self-help. #editorchat

[20:36:05] milehighfool: @bikelady Glad you could make it. Good night for you to join us with Julia Angwin here. #editorchat

[20:36:15] LydiaBreakfast: @bikelady Thanks for joining, welcome. #editorchat

[20:36:44] milehighfool: For those who haven’t yet seen, Julia’s new book, “Stealing MySpace,” is here: http://bit.ly/15mS3W #editorchat

[20:37:12] jimmcbee: How’s this: editorchat > writing about medical coding. OK, I’m all math’d out. #editorchat

[20:37:18] JDEbberly: @bikelady Editorchat exptends a warm welcome to you, Jackie ! πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[20:38:03] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:31] jennipps: @JuliaAngwin Sounds…interesting? Thank you for joining us! #editorchat

[20:39:01] jg_rat: Sitting here editing a website. Gosh I’m glad I’m not outside in the Aussie autumn sunlight, under that terrible blue sky #editorchat

[20:39:21] JuliaAngwin: Greetings, thanks for the shout-out Tim. And thanks to all of you for inviting me – excited to be here. #editorchat

[20:39:49] edwardboches: is julia going to start this off? pov or questions? #editorchat

[20:40:05] milehighfool: @jg_rat You know you want to be here. Admit it. You can’t resist. #editorchat

[20:40:09] jimmcbee: Great to have you here, Julia. #editorchat

[20:40:32] JuliaAngwin: I want to discuss online identity – Do you have multiple online identities for your writing life and other parts of your life? #editorchat

[20:40:41] LydiaBreakfast: @edwardboches Julia is going to ask the Qs tonight #editorchat

[20:40:45] jg_rat: @milehighfool You’re right. Here’s my favourite story of the day: Man-eating mice attack: http://tinyurl.com/cw9873 #editorchat

[20:40:47] JDEbberly: RT @JuliaAngwin: Greetings, thanks for the shout-out Tim. And thanks to all of you for inviting me – excited to be here. #editorchat #Ed …

[20:41:02] KatPowers: OK, and 4 year old takes threat to take away Spiderman shoes seriously. Now watching #editorchat #editorchat

[20:41:32] milehighfool: RT Q1: Do you have multiple online identities for your writing life and other parts of your life? #editorchat

[20:42:00] milehighfool: @jg_rat Oh. My. #editorchat

[20:42:07] jennipps: @JuliaAngwin Q1 – I used to have multiple IDs online, but a few years ago, I consolidated them all into JenNipps. #editorchat

[20:42:13] edwardboches: as a blogger, social media enthusiast, pr practitioner and content creator, i have one. consistency, voice, reputation importnt #editorchat

[20:42:20] LydiaBreakfast: Reminder, refer to the Q number when responding #editorchat

[20:42:55] JDEbberly: Q1: I have had multiple online identities in the past, particularly around 2000-2003 #Editorchat

[20:43:25] LydiaBreakfast: @JDEbberly and then what happened? #editorchat

[20:43:30] jennipps: Q1 – There are still a few remnants of my other ID around, though, on sites I didn’t want to start over with. #editorchat

[20:43:31] jg_rat: Q1 jg_rat used to be my seekrit identity, but he seems to have taken over my personal and professional life #editorchat

[20:43:35] JuliaAngwin: @jennipps Do you miss the old separations of identity? #editorchat

[20:43:41] jimmcbee: q1: Never gave it much thought till it came up here in your absence, Julia. I mainly try to be me, for good or ill. #editorchat

[20:43:46] milehighfool: @edwardboches Isn’t voice different from identity, though? Voice is a style, identity is a presence. #editorchat

[20:43:46] KatPowers: Q1 I have the misfortune to have the same name as a band, so sometimes I’m under a mommy alias for my email #editorchat #editorchat

[20:44:36] JDEbberly: @LydiaBreakfast My interests gradually changed and I settled on JD Ebberly who is into social media/new media and blogging #Editorchat

[20:44:44] SpecialDee: Just got home from Poetry class. Special Sections editor, Lewiston-Auburn, Maine. #editorchat

[20:44:50] jennipps: @JuliaAngwin I did at first. But now I feel like I have a more complete image of me and I don’t have to remember what goes where #editorchat

[20:45:10] ptrcrown: RT Q1: I write, blog, edit in a personal style… find I can’t keep up with more than one identity. #editorchat

[20:45:31] mguerard: If you’re tweeting to friends as well as tweeting for your job, it’s a good idea to have separate identieies. #editorchat

[20:45:37] LydiaBreakfast: I’m curious as to why everyone felt they needed separate identities? For work vs. personal? Or different writing styles? #editorchat

[20:46:04] LydiaBreakfast: @mguerard Hey Marcia, so glad you are joining us again #editorchat

[20:46:10] bikelady: For Q1, I’d have to say yes and no. I’m working on pulling them all together. Takes careful thought. #editorchat

[20:46:24] SpecialDee: Q1: I use one online personality – me! Might have different usernames though. One voice. #editorchat

[20:46:27] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Poetry class, a most worthy pursuit. Thanks for joining us #editorchat

[20:46:27] JuliaAngwin: Lots of feedback of people with one identity: you don’t feel locked into this one image of yourself? #editorchat

[20:46:36] JDEbberly: @LydiaBreakfast For me, it was different writing styles and for diff. audiences back in 2002 #Editorchat

[20:46:41] milehighfool: @bikelady What steps are you taking to pull them together? #editorchat

[20:46:53] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast I had separate IDs for writing & personal/fun forums. Then I got out of a lot of the fun forums. #editorchat

[20:46:58] BaileyMcC: Obama presser + #editorchat = ton’s o’ tweets.

[20:47:08] wetzeledit: I thought about blogging anonymously to keep separate from professional life but figure it’s too late and me is me anyway. #editorchat

[20:47:22] jimmcbee: q1: so far have resisted mild temptation to set up ‘professional’ ‘brand’ separate from my usual smartass self. #editorchat

[20:47:25] ErikSherman: Tuning in for a short time (book deadline nagging) – freelance writer/editor/photographer/bill collector in Mass. #editorchat

[20:47:29] CarlosV: young aspiring magazine editor here.. any tips or/and suggestions will be appreciated! #editorchat

[20:47:33] milehighfool: @JenetDechary So, for example, you aren’t using Twitter and Facebook and MySpace? Everything in one place? #editorchat

[20:47:37] JuliaAngwin: Some academics call this the “unitary identity” that the Internet forces us into – it doesn’t allow us to escape our past. #editorchat

[20:47:39] elyssaeast: Q1: Hi y’all I’m new here . I think one identity is best. It can and should be multi-faceted, as we all are. #editorchat

[20:47:39] edwardboches: @milehighfool true. but content, voice, pov, info I provide all determine value and or trustworthiness, if nothing to hide 1 id #editorchat

[20:47:58] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Hello Mr. Sherman many thanks for coming #editorchat

[20:48:01] wetzeledit: My identity is the same but my expression of it is evolving. #editorchat

[20:48:04] mguerard: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks. I would keep separate identities because my employer undoubtedly does not agree with me on things. #editorchat

[20:48:05] bikelady: For Q2, @LydiaBreakfast’s Q, I’ve had separate identities for my speaking and writing careers, and diff specialties. #editorchat

[20:48:19] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Thanks for joining, Erik. We’re into the identity side of last week’s brand discussion. #editorchat

[20:48:22] jennipps: @JuliaAngwin No, because my interests are so varied that no one finds it odd or thinks I “shouldn’t” do something b/c of persona #editorchat

[20:48:28] JDEbberly: @elyssaeast Welcome to Editorchat, Elyssa! πŸ™‚ We’re glad you’ve joined us tonight! #Editorchat

[20:48:43] LydiaBreakfast: RT @wetzeledit My identity is the same but my expression of it is evolving. -Well said. #editorchat

[20:48:47] JuliaAngwin: @wetzeledit Very nicely put. #editorchat

[20:48:55] milehighfool: RT @JuliaAngwin: Some academics call this the “unitary identity” that the Internet forces us into. #editorchat

[20:49:01] edwardboches: what i say or subjects presented on different blogs, twitter, FB, etc may be different, but from same “brand” #editorchat

[20:49:46] ptrcrown: Q2 There is no escape, really. Only denial. #editorchat

[20:49:47] elyssaeast: “Unitary identity” that’s quite a ringer! It is hard to figure out how to approach, at least initially. #editorchat

[20:49:55] jimmcbee: q1: When visualeditors.com was getting started, founder requested that people use real IDs to avoid anonymous snipery. Worked. #editorchat

[20:50:02] JuliaAngwin: RT @wetzeledit My identity is the same but my expression of it is evolving.- Q: Is society tolerant of evolution? #editorchat

[20:50:03] edwardboches: you may act differently at party, office, town meeting, but you are the same person, yes? online no different. #editorchat

[20:50:16] LydiaBreakfast: @edwardboches which is where it gets interesting, where does person end and brand begin? #editorchat

[20:50:55] sairy: @edwardboches I’m the same way; I’ve found in particular that for me, it’s best not to automate twitter-to-facebook feeds. #editorchat

[20:51:07] milehighfool: @edwardboches No question. But to Julia’s point re: academics — doesn’t you past follow both off and online? #editorchat

[20:51:38] wetzeledit: @JuliaAngwin Can you restate your followup Q? Not sure I understand. #editorchat

[20:51:49] BaileyMcC: RT @edwardboches: you may act differently at party, office, town meeting, but you are the same person, yes? online no different. #editorchat

[20:51:55] ErikSherman: @LydiaBreakfast I think there is only the person and how you do business and your aspirations. Same for companies. #editorchat

[20:51:58] bikelady: @milehighfool For Q3 @milehighfool, I work at thinking more strategically. How does this relate to “bikelady”? I ask. #editorchat

[20:52:05] milehighfool: @JuliaAngwin Not just society. How about readers? Or, for that matter, editors? Is it good to evolve as a writer? #editorchat

[20:52:12] LydiaBreakfast: RT @juliaangwin Q2: Is society tolerant of evolution? of online identities converging? #editorchat

[20:52:14] elyssaeast: @JDEbberly Thanks for the welcome #editorchat

[20:52:15] mguerard: But I sometimes tweet silly things to make people laugh, and then news because I work for a newspaper. Would not want them mixed #editorchat

[20:52:58] ErikSherman: @mguerard I think people can figure the difference between goofing around and serious content. #editorchat

[20:53:11] wetzeledit: Seems like everything is converging to be online. So isn’t some evolution inevitable as we all figure it out? #editorchat

[20:53:17] milehighfool: @mguerard Right. The ever-present conflict between work and personal life. Takes root digitally, as well. #editorchat

[20:53:23] JuliaAngwin: Question: Our identity evolves, but does our online audience tolerate the switch? e.g. if we suddenly switch our writing topics #editorchat

[20:53:29] jennipps: Q2 – In some cases, I think its expected that the two would converge. Ex.: It seems celebs don’t/can’t have anonymous IDs online #editorchat

[20:53:40] sairy: @milehighfool after experimenting a lot, I find there’s not much tolerance for making dramatic shifts; separate feeds help there #editorchat

[20:53:52] JDEbberly: @wetzeledit I agree with @wetzeledit Re: Q2 #Editorchat

[20:54:01] jkwill10: Q1: I don’t intentionally brand myself but I hope people like what I do (but there are a lot of Jeff Williams’ out there) #editorchat

[20:54:02] mguerard: @ErikSherman Readers can tell the difference, but the owner of the brand — my newspaper — would not be amused. #editorchat

[20:54:20] milehighfool: RT @JuliaAngwin: Question: Our identity evolves, but does our online audience tolerate the switch? #editorchat

[20:54:30] jimmcbee: q2: Re: evolution. Resistance is futile. We all grow and change. Shucks, look how fast Web sites come and go. Ephemera. #editorchat

[20:54:34] elizabethbarr: I think there’s a lot of flexibility when you’re writing for an online audience. They are quicker to discern tone and identity. #editorchat

[20:54:51] milehighfool: @jkwill10 Hey Jeff. You’re back. it’s been a while. #editorchat

[20:54:57] LydiaBreakfast: @jkwill10 good point Jeff, doesn’t having a common name almost beg for creating a different identity to set yourself apart? #editorchat

[20:55:12] elyssaeast: There is also the comment thread & people’s reactions, which can enhance or impede identity management. #editorchat

[20:55:14] milehighfool: @sairy Separate feeds for your readers, in other words? #editorchat

[20:55:14] edwardboches: in early days, people were reluctant to reveal true id. now since everyone is there, it seems not only OK, but important #editorchat

[20:55:22] littlebrownpen: @elizabethbarr I agree. Online audiences are more forgiving of our multiple personalities. #editorchat

[20:55:45] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Hi Nichole good to see you! #editorchat

[20:55:50] BaileyMcC: If you’re open with your audience about the potential variety of your content, people tend to tolerate earlier on #editorchat

[20:55:52] ErikSherman: @mguerard Ah, true – that’s where I have an advantage not being on staff. #editorchat

[20:55:59] sairy: @juliaangwin I’ve found online is like offline; I started a personal blog focused on tech, but when I diverged, I lost readers #editorchat

[20:56:11] JDEbberly: RT @littlebrownpen: @elizabethbarr I agree. Online audiences are more forgiving of our multiple personalities. #editorchat #Editorchat

[20:56:21] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast You too! Just returned from Paris. I was out of commission due to eclair overload. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:56:30] milehighfool: @elizabethbarr Agreed. As an online writer myself, I’d argue a well-understood identity is critical. Draw ’em in fast. #editorchat

[20:56:36] mguerard: @ErikSherman Give it time, I’ll probably have that advantage soon myself! #editorchat

[20:56:38] ErikSherman: @JuliaAngwin I think you have to try to bring them along, otherwise you’re stuck in what you’ve always done. Dreadful. #editorchat

[20:56:41] JuliaAngwin: Q: Does mixing personal and professional add to authenticity? Is that worth the risk? #editorchat

[20:56:51] edwardboches: name and identity: are they the same. as long as consistent and real id obvious somehow, behind handle, ok, no? #editorchat

[20:56:59] jimmcbee: Julia, you look from a higher vantage point than I. Do you find that fame puts fetters on online personality? #editorchat

[20:57:11] KatPowers: I actually have had readers tell my younger writers they expect them to share who they are #editorchat ie cyclist, vegetarian, etc

[20:57:15] bikelady: @JuliaAngwin To your audience @, I don’t think audience knows/cares whether U write about more than one topic/specialty. Do U? #editorchat

[20:57:16] ptrcrown: ? Do you regard a nickname or “handle” as an identity? #editorchat

[20:57:17] bacigalupe: @JuliaAngwin in this environment, audience has the ability to quickly become involved in the process, thus more accountability #editorchat

[20:57:21] LanceUlanoff: @JuliaAngwin It’s not whether they tolerate it, it’s whether or not you still have an audience listening to you. #editorchat

[20:57:21] edwardboches: what about search? don’t you want your content and blog and articles to be found? #editorchat

[20:57:27] LydiaBreakfast: Q3: Does mixing personal and professional add to authenticity? Is that worth the risk?RT @JuliaAngwin #editorchat

[20:57:27] creditmatters: RT @JuliaAngwin Our identity evolves, but does our online audience tolerate the switch? e.g. we suddenly swtch our writng topics #editorchat

[20:57:27] milehighfool: RT @JuliaAngwin: Q: Does mixing personal and professional add to authenticity? Is that worth the risk? #editorchat

[20:57:53] JuliaAngwin: @jimmcbee My vantage point is not quite as high as fame. But agree that higher perch means farther to fall. #editorchat

[20:58:00] sairy: @JuliaAngwin on twitter, a little personal adds to authenticity, as in blogs; too much though, you lose followers/readers #editorchat

[20:58:03] elyssaeast: The difference between authenticity and transparency sometimes gets blurred, #editorchat.

[20:58:12] LydiaBreakfast: Q3 the bigger the celeb (film, book, TV, journo) the more important it becomes to also show the real side #editorchat

[20:58:16] ErikSherman: @sairy It may be that you need to stay focused within the same vehicle. #editorchat

[20:58:32] meghanmbiro: @edwardboches I encourage people to keep online=”real” personality. If no-not a truly authentic/as compelling a brand? #editorchat

[20:58:32] jkwill10: @LydiaBreakfast luckily for me, I am not interested in national branding. Everyone knows Jeff in Wisconsin Rapids #editorchat

[20:58:48] AmySueNathan: @milehighfool I think personal and professional adds credibility – as long as you’re not blogging with a lampshade on your head. #editorchat

[20:58:48] LanceUlanoff: @ptrcrown I do, but am always happier when people rep themselves with their real name. I do it myself for that reason. #editorchat

[20:58:51] JuliaAngwin: @elyssaeast somewhere in between authenticity and transparency is the world of oversharing! #editorchat

[20:59:05] milehighfool: @LanceUlanoff Glad you could make it, Lance. Depends on the outlet, don’t you think? The Motley Fool embraces the personal . #editorchat

[20:59:08] jimmcbee: q3: I think stripping personality out of newspapers is part of what’s hurt them. Seem elitist. We shouldn’t repeat that error. #editorchat

[20:59:17] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool It’s an interesting dance. But I am more drawn to blogs that reflect the author’s real life, points of view, etc. #editorchat

[20:59:20] sairy: @ErikSherman I think you’re right, or create multiple identities – I have various blogs & twitter feeds for diff. purposes. #editorchat

[20:59:27] edwardboches: Q3. seems people want to know the creator of content, blog, journalist, etc. as an individual, so personal and pro OK #editorchat

[20:59:28] milehighfool: @AmySueNathan How could they see if you were? πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:59:33] LydiaBreakfast: @JuliaAngwin well said. Oversharing is the new TMI #editorchat

[20:59:47] BaileyMcC: what are u doing in your prof life that being a real person poses a sig. risk? Short of CIA pretty sure everyone should be cool #editorchat

[20:59:50] elyssaeast: @JuliaAngwin Yes so where do we find that balance. The culture has trended towards over-sharing. #editorchat

[20:59:54] mrinaldesai: Q: Does mixing personal n professional add to authenticity? worth the risk? #editorchat (via @JuliaAngwin) the best if u have 1 identity

[21:00:01] ErikSherman: @JuliaAngwin I think authenticity comes from being honest in your work and thinking. #editorchat

[21:00:27] elizabethbarr: @JuliaAngwin @elyssaeast My instinct is the same re oversharing, but then how to explain success of Dooce or Penelope Trunk? #editorchat

[21:00:30] sairy: I do find that Facebook is the most open online loc for showing your true colors (i.e. all interests) when sharing with people #editorchat

[21:00:31] LanceUlanoff: @LydiaBreakfast I’d say it lends an authenticity to whatever you’re writing. It also helps people connect to what you write. #editorchat

[21:00:32] JuliaAngwin: @mrinaldesai Glad to see you here! #editorchat

[21:00:46] jkwill10: Being personal is crucial for authenticity. Besides, I love talking to people about my writing at Home Depot #editorchat

[21:00:48] edwardboches: q3 you can show your human personal side w/o giving away too much personal data #editorchat

[21:00:55] SpecialDee: Q2: I think society is tolerant of evolution-it’s easier 2 go w/the flow. Sometimes no choice. Like 2 see both sides of peeps. #editorchat

[21:00:57] JDEbberly: RT @ErikSherman: @JuliaAngwin I think authenticity comes from being honest in your work and thinking. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:01:04] sairy: @milehighfool yes, separate feeds I think works for a lot of writers I know #editorchat

[21:01:20] ErikSherman: @LanceUlanoff That makes sense – it would be like an automotive mag suddenly covering fine art. #editorchat

[21:01:38] SuburbNews: Lisa Sink, reporter @ Milw Journal Sentinel jumping in. Great points, @sairy. Trying to figure out how much personal is too much #editorchat

[21:01:42] LydiaBreakfast: @elizabethbarr Dooce got there first. And frankly, I think her style doesn’t wear well after a while. #editorchat

[21:01:43] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen Right. How do create an identity if you share nothing at all? As a writer, there’s more risk in being coy. #editorchat

[21:01:49] Jfavreau: I think you need to be aware of your audience! I tweet and post status messages based more on my audience. #editorchat

[21:01:59] mrinaldesai: @JuliaAngwin #editorchat Most have dual personalities n hence LinkedIn n FB, online n offline – Being 1 ALL across has been best for me

[21:02:03] elyssaeast: @edwardboches q3 I agree. It’s important to be a real human being. But less is often more. #editorchat

[21:02:04] JuliaAngwin: @elizabethbarr Voyeurism has always been popular – particularly in a recession it’s cheap entertainment. #editorchat

[21:02:23] LanceUlanoff: @milehighfool Maybe, but wherever I’ve been I’ve seen it done and done it myself–unless explicitly told not to. #editorchat

[21:02:59] ErikSherman: @LydiaBreakfast Q3 Not sure that’s necessary. There are examples of high profiles that are private. #editorchat

[21:03:03] littlebrownpen: @JuliaAngwin Very true in my case. Escapism is more appealing in this economic environment. #editorchat

[21:03:12] JuliaAngwin: Q: is the inevitable result of mixing personal/professional as journalists and writers the end of objectivity? #editorchat

[21:03:23] milehighfool: @LanceUlanoff Agreed. Readers need the personal to connect. #editorchat

[21:03:33] elizabethbarr: @JuliaAngwin I guess the real question is, what are you after? Scads of readers or credibility? #editorchat

[21:03:35] jennipps: Sorry, everyone. Have to head out already. Too much to do before leaving for a conference tomorrow. #editorchat

[21:03:38] elyssaeast: @milehighfool There’s a difference between being coy and maintaining a boundary. #editorchat

[21:03:47] LanceUlanoff: @SpecialDee Always easier to go with the flow, but we follow those who don’t #editorchat

[21:03:56] LydiaBreakfast: RT @JuliaAngwin Q4: is the inevitable result of mixing personal/professional as journalists and writers the end of objectivity? #editorchat

[21:04:03] milehighfool: RT Q: is the inevitable result of mixing personal/professional as journalists and writers the end of objectivity? #editorchat

[21:04:06] meghanmbiro: @edwardboches Met a Twitter friend in person and asked “how does my in person match my online presence?” Live it + Ask ?’s #editorchat

[21:04:08] jimmcbee: Re: Fear of giving up too much; I think the opposite has often been the case in print (dep. on medium). We’ve alienated many. #editorchat

[21:04:11] ErikSherman: @JuliaAngwin Oversharing is something different – it’s inherently not genuine, but manufactured. #editorchat

[21:04:13] JDEbberly: @jennipps See you next week Jen! Have a great conference! πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[21:04:28] edwardboches: @JuliaAngwin let’s hope not.with slow demise of papers, pressure on magazines and emergence of blogs, obj jrnlsm more impnt now #editorchat

[21:04:29] jkwill10: @jennipps bye Jenn #editorchat

[21:04:34] wordful: @LanceUlanoff That’s so very true. Hi everyone I’m late. Charles here (writer, editor, blogger) #editorchat

[21:04:43] mguerard: @JuliaAngwin I don’t think it’s inevitable at all. I think it’s possible to be objective and have some personality. #editorchat

[21:04:44] booksandcorsets: Q1: My personal blog/writing identity has recently attached to my prof. id. I went back and locked many posts and now all is ok #editorchat

[21:04:47] sairy: RT @JuliaAngwin Q4: is the inevitable result of mixing personal/professional as journalists and writers the end of objectivity? #editorchat

[21:04:48] wetzeledit: @JuliaAngwin Perhaps the end of the illusion of objectivity? People may see your biases, or suspect some based on the personal. #editorchat

[21:04:59] elizabethbarr: @JuliaAngwin I think if you’re honest about who you are and your conflicts, objectivity isn’t as important as transparency. #editorchat

[21:05:08] milehighfool: @elyssaeast Certainly. Where do you draw the line? #editorchat

[21:05:10] ErikSherman: @sairy I have different blogs and publication outlets, cataloging them by content. #editorchat

[21:05:17] LydiaBreakfast: Reminder, please refer to the Q number when responding please #editorchat

[21:05:22] LanceUlanoff: @Jfavreau I agree. I’m always Tweeting with my audience in mind. They follow me primarily for tech, so I try to stick with that.#editorchat

[21:05:42] lilatovcocktail: RT Q: is the inevitable result of mixing personal/professional as journalists and writers the end of objectivity? #editorchat

[21:05:57] SpecialDee: Q3: when you’re known online by your byline – is that based on writing style or personality? Authenticity is important. #editorchat

[21:05:58] jkwill10: Q4: Does that mean you can’t be personal and objective? I disagree. #editorchat

[21:06:02] jimmcbee: rt @JuliaAngwin is the inevitable result of mixing personal/professional as journalists and writers the end of objectivity? #editorchat

[21:06:14] LydiaBreakfast: @LanceUlanoff But we also want to know what the tech guy had for lunch πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:06:15] JuliaAngwin: RT @elizabethbarr objectivity isn’t as important as transparency — Good question. What do you guys think? #editorchat

[21:06:18] LanceUlanoff: @JuliaAngwin And when exactly were journalists ever really objective? #editorchat

[21:06:34] BaileyMcC: U can still b objective & connect, just use good judgement. #editorchat

[21:06:38] edwardboches: Q4 interesting to think that objectivity as just an illusion. #editorchat

[21:06:48] JuliaAngwin: @LanceUlanoff Totally agree but it’s a Platonic ideal we strive for. #editorchat

[21:06:49] sairy: @ErikSherman makes sense; I do the same… also diff. twitter feeds, like @sarahgranger is just for my articles. #editorchat

[21:07:15] JDEbberly: @JuliaAngwin Transparency is very important. #Editorchat

[21:07:16] jimmcbee: Objectivity is a goal at best; a lie at worst. Let’s build a new altar to Honesty. #editorchat

[21:07:23] elizabethbarr: @edwardboches I agree Γ’β‚¬β€œ I think true objectivity has always been elusive, an ideal. #editorchat

[21:07:24] edwardboches: Q4 well if you’re not objective then transparency becomes really important #editorchat

[21:07:29] KatPowers: RT @elizabethbarr I think if you’re honest about who you are and your conflicts, objectivity isn’t as important as transparency. #editorchat

[21:07:42] littlebrownpen: @edwardboches LOL. There’s a song just waiting to be written ( objectivity is just an illusion). #editorchat

[21:07:51] JuliaAngwin: RT @jimmcbee Objectivity is a goal at best; a lie at worst. Let’s build a new altar to Honesty. Nicely said. #editorchat

[21:07:54] SuburbNews: Q4:You can be personal & personable w/o losing objectivity. Just have to keep opinions to self on issues you cover.#editorchat #editorchat

[21:08:01] sairy: RT @JuliaAngwin @elizabethbarr objectivity isn’t as important as transparency #editorchat — very good point, full disclosure is key.

[21:08:11] ErikSherman: @JuliaAngwin I think objectivity has always been a myth anyway. You battle biases by keeping them in plain view. #editorchat

[21:08:18] KatPowers: RT @jimmcbee Objectivity is a goal at best; a lie at worst. Let’s build a new altar to Honesty. #editorchat

[21:08:31] littlebrownpen: Honestly, it’s easy to separate the genuine from the gamed. People are drawn to the former. #editorchat

[21:08:42] JuliaAngwin: On a personal note, my husband and I met at a lecture discussing this very topic of the future of objectivity! #editorchat

[21:08:56] LydiaBreakfast: RT @ErikSherman I think objectivity has always been a myth anyway. You battle biases by keeping them in plain view. -Interesting #editorchat

[21:09:03] BaileyMcC: @sairy @JuliaAngwin @elizabethbarr objectivity isn’t as important as transparency #editorchat — very good point, full disclosure is key.

[21:09:05] JuliaAngwin: Had to throw that in, speaking of mixing personal and professional πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:09:05] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Well said. Sunshine is what’s needed. #editorchat

[21:09:15] sairy: @AmySueNathan yes, I limit what I share everywhere… no need to put up what my cat ate for dinner. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:09:25] wordful: Honesty comes first. Objectivity can easily get in the way of authenticity, transparency and passion. #editorchat

[21:09:44] ErikSherman: @wetzeledit Or readers will simply assume or make up biases if they don’t like your logic. #editorchat

[21:09:47] JDEbberly: RT @wordful: Honesty comes first. Objectivity can easily get in the way of authenticity, transparency and passion. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:10:06] BeckyDMBR: Ack. Late again but here now! #editorchat

[21:10:09] KatPowers: I tell students I can’t be objective, my city is the best #editorchat However, I can be fair to other cities. It’s about transparency

[21:10:10] SuburbNews: I am not convinced that journalists should start flaunting their opinions, becoming advocates. Watchdog, yes, but there’s a line #editorchat

[21:10:10] edwardboches: Q4 when readers have as much say as journalists you’re called out if you’re not both honest and authentic #editorchat

[21:10:22] jimmcbee: @milehighfool Sunshine is what’s needed. (And not usually well received, I’ll add. Pretend-objectivity is easier.) #editorchat

[21:10:37] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Hey hey Ioway! #editorchat

[21:10:37] SpecialDee: @JuliaAngwin Yes, Q4, and aren’t editors tasked w/making sure articles are objectively written? #editorchat

[21:10:37] sairy: @JuliaAngwin that’s a great story; that’s good to share! #editorchat

[21:10:47] LanceUlanoff: @JuliaAngwin: Q4 Agree with all: honesty and transparency are they keys –in everything really. #editorchat

[21:10:50] elizabethbarr: Objectivity limits bravery. Think how dull everything would be if you couldn’t let any hint of opinion show. #editorchat

[21:10:59] milehighfool: @SuburbNews Fair enough but I’d love to see more well-researched commentary. #editorchat

[21:11:07] wetzeledit: @ErikSherman True but they may use your personal sharing as the basis for those attacks. Even if not fair, it’s ammo. #editorchat

[21:11:20] milehighfool: Says the guy who writes for a site that publishes commentary πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:11:46] jimmcbee: @SuburbNews however, readers ascribe opinions, biases and advocacy to us whether we like it or not. Take the bull by the horns. #editorchat

[21:11:47] SpecialDee: News and op ed pieces – two different beasts? #editorchat

[21:11:52] LanceUlanoff: This was interesting, but I have to drop out. Cheers #editorchat

[21:11:53] milehighfool: RT @elizabethbarr: Objectivity limits bravery. Think how dull everything would be if you couldn’t let any hint of opinion show. #editorchat

[21:11:58] JuliaAngwin: RT@ wetzeledit they may use your personal sharing as the basis for those attacks. Even if not fair, it’s ammo — good point #editorchat

[21:12:05] littlebrownpen: Agree. Especially finance-related. @milehighfool @SuburbNews Fair enough but I’d love to see more well-researched commentary #editorchat

[21:12:06] stephauteri: Howdy there! Steph Auteri, writer for Nerve and other publications, popping in late. #editorchat

[21:12:06] bacigalupe: @LydiaBreakfast may be now the social location becomes more explicit and we address up front the myth of objectivity #editorchat

[21:12:24] ErikSherman: @SuburbNews But how about analysis? There are lots of journos who know sources are full of it but won’t come out and say it. #editorchat

[21:12:25] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee very #editorchat

[21:12:31] milehighfool: @LanceUlanoff Hope to see you here again, sir. #editorchat

[21:12:47] jonathanfields: @JuliaAngwin Even if reporting isn’t completely objective & transparent, crowdsourced vetting gets you close 2 truth fast. #editorchat

[21:12:51] JDEbberly: @LanceUlanoff Thanks for stopping by, Lance! Looking forward to seeing you here next Weds. Night! #Editorchat

[21:12:58] wordful: @bacigalupe “the myth of objectivity” I like that #editorchat

[21:13:05] milehighfool: @stephauteri Glad you could make it, Steph. #editorchat

[21:13:13] sairy: RT @JuliaAngwin @wetzeledit they may use personal sharing as the basis for attacks. Even if not fair, it’s ammo – good point #editorchat

[21:13:28] ErikSherman: @wetzeledit True enough. I’m not the sharing sort, just found that some fanatics would fill in what they wanted. #editorchat

[21:13:45] mguerard: @ErikSherman I think if the source is full of it, you simply don’t use them. #editorchat

[21:13:47] JuliaAngwin: So it seems we all agree that transparency is key for honesty. I’d like to get a good example or two of a success story #editorchat

[21:14:19] mrinaldesai: @JuliaAngwin #editorchat #quote Bob Dylan – “All I can do is be me”

[21:14:36] booksbelow: RT @edwardboches: Q4 when readers have as much say as journalists you’re called out if you’re not both honest and authentic #editorchat

[21:14:46] 190east: RT @JuliaAngwin: So we all agree that transparency is key for honesty. I’d like to get a good example or two of a success story #editorchat

[21:15:12] wordful: @JuliaAngwin @AaronWall of SEO Book is a great example of pure honesty/transparency relating to his success #editorchat

[21:15:26] elyssaeast: The type of piece, the venue, & the audience determine how personal, transparent, & opinionated one can be. #editorchat

[21:16:06] milehighfool: Great idea. Success stories are in short supply, it seems. is transparency improving? #editorchat

[21:16:06] ErikSherman: @mguerard Sometimes the story is about the source, in which case you can’t simply ignore them. #editorchat

[21:16:41] ptrcrown: Example: When a Nobel laureate writes “I don’t know the answer…” it tells a lot about the writer and state of knowledge… #editorchat

[21:17:14] ErikSherman: @JuliaAngwin Not sure it’s a great example, but I’ve noted certain business background when analyzing a tech company… #editorchat

[21:17:22] sairy: @JuliaAngwin success story: @queenofspain is open about her opinions on twitter, but as an editor she is completely non-partisan #editorchat

[21:17:38] ErikSherman: @JuliaAngwin …because I had experience in a specific area that led me to make a comment that I did. #editorchat

[21:17:39] milehighfool: @booksbelow The crowdsourcing point is a good one. Well-done stories are spread far and wide. #editorchat

[21:18:07] dugL: @elyssaeast #editorchat She’s right. A venue that relies on image would be a bad place to confess secrets.

[21:18:32] JDEbberly: RT @wordful: @JuliaAngwin @AaronWall of SEO Book is a great example of pure honesty/transparency relating to his success #editorchat #Ed …

[21:18:56] BeckyDMBR: Dangit. And I realize I’m leaving off the hastag. Sorry. #editorchat

[21:19:02] pickcontests: (@mrinaldesai)@JuliaAngwin #editorchat #quote Bob Dylan – “All I can do is be me” http://twitter.com/mrinaldesai/statuses/1654740027

[21:19:17] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Hey there, howdy! #editorchat

[21:19:22] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Just remember that the majority can be really wrong, like knowing the earth is flat. #editorchat

[21:19:24] edwardboches: @BeckyDMBR post from tweetchat.com way easier #editorchat

[21:19:59] jimmcbee: Success story? When Bluffton Today started, we threw the rule book out. Reporters, readers blogged pretty freely, interacted … #editorchat

[21:20:03] milehighfool: @ptrcrown We’re usually better off admitting ignorance than proving it, no? #editorchat

[21:20:05] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool I’d like to see more well-researched … anything. #editorchat

[21:20:22] KatPowers: Dude the Earth is flat. How else would I be able to talk you you folks up there? πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:20:41] BeckyDMBR: @SpecialDee News and op-ed *should* be different. It’s inappropriate to express opinion when reporting on xyz murder. Just is. #editorchat

[21:20:45] elyssaeast: Business narratives operate on transparency but they often seem overly scripted towards success & therefore inauthentic. #editorchat

[21:20:49] JuliaAngwin: Potential success story: some say e-books will finally allow writers to be judged by their words not their covers/marketing #editorchat

[21:20:55] littlebrownpen: YES! @milehighfool @ptrcrown We’re usually better off admitting ignorance than proving it, no? #editorchat

[21:21:02] jimmcbee: … in ways that were refreshing (sometimes pain in the ass, too). Writers allowed to write personal columns at times, etc. … #editorchat

[21:21:19] elyssaeast: @pickcontests Yes but Bob Dylan famously said, “I’m not there.” #editorchat

[21:21:35] LydiaBreakfast: @JuliaAngwin I think it is going to take a while for people to get over the misconceptions about e-books #editorchat

[21:21:39] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Certainly, but the added feedback loop adds dynamism and can lead to better thinking. #editorchat

[21:21:58] sairy: RT @JuliaAngwin some say e-books will finally allow writers to be judged by their words not their covers/marketing #editorchat – yes/no/tbd?

[21:22:00] jimmcbee: … readers ate it up. Market penetration was deep and wide. (Free delivery was big part of it, too.) #editorchat

[21:22:00] littlebrownpen: @JuliaAngwin Agree about ebooks. #editorchat

[21:22:02] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR See, this is why we love having you here, Becky. #editorchat

[21:22:23] BeckyDMBR: @edwardboches TweetDeck’s not bad. It’s just my brain that needs a kick-start. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:22:37] elizabethbarr: @LydiaBreakfast @JuliaAngwin Agreed. The early adopters will pay for an e-book, but the public at large? #editorchat

[21:22:41] wetzeledit: @JuliaAngwin Judged, but not necessarily sold! (Just kidding…I wish…) #editorchat

[21:22:45] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Agreed. They’ve been co-opted by twammers disguised as marketers. #editorchat

[21:22:55] LydiaBreakfast: @JuliaAngwin some think they are similar to self-pubbed books, ie: mistakenly that no publisher would pick them up #editorchat

[21:23:04] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Undoubtedly it can. But many assume it”s a foregone conclusion, and it’s not. #editorchat

[21:23:13] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast But teh e-book movement is an opportunity to establish identity more deeply, no? #editorchat

[21:23:23] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Agreed. #editorchat

[21:23:43] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Agreed. They’ve been co-opted by twammers disguised as marketers. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:23:52] JuliaAngwin: @wetzeledit Selling is always the hardest part. Boy, am I learning that! #editorchat

[21:23:57] stephauteri: RT @LydiaBreakfast on e-books: some think they are similar to self-pubbed books, & that no publisher would pick them up. [yes!] #editorchat

[21:24:00] SuburbNews: @BeckyDMBR @milehighfool Yes, you’re right, need more research and thoughtfulness, less punditry? #editorchat

[21:24:03] ErikSherman: @LydiaBreakfast And they still have to be marketed, or else no one reads them. #editorchat

[21:24:17] elizabethbarr: E-books aren’t any different from iTunes or music online. Puts a whole industry of execs out of work, but the product is same. #editorchat

[21:24:36] wordful: RT @JuliaAngwin @wetzeledit Selling is always the hardest part. Boy, am I learning that! *Yeah no kidding!* #editorchat

[21:24:46] elyssaeast: @JuliaAngwin So how is it going for you sales wise? What are you learning? #editorchat

[21:25:02] milehighfool: @SuburbNews Absolutely. You can’t stand on a soapbox can yourself authentic or authoritative. #editorchat

[21:25:18] LydiaBreakfast: @JuliaAngwin right and the publisher never tells the author how much of the selling they have to do themselves! #editorchat

[21:25:24] JuliaAngwin: @elyssaeast I made a decision not to ask my publisher for numbers because there was no way I wouldn’t be disappointed. #editorchat

[21:25:30] sairy: wrt e-books, I’ve heard mixed views from people at all points on tech & publishing spectrum – I think in 5 yrs it’ll shake out. #editorchat

[21:25:38] SpecialDee: Byline = reputation = integrity; editors uphold journalists to these standards – in print and online. #editorchat

[21:25:47] rogerdooley: @SpecialDee I’d certainly hope so. But then, I always thought editorial and advertising were different. Old-fashioned, I guess. #editorchat

[21:26:04] milehighfool: Geez. What is it with my typing tonight? I meant, stand on a soapbox and *call* call yourself authoritiative. #editorchat

[21:26:20] Jfavreau: RT @SpecialDee Byline = reputation = integrity; editors uphold journalists to these standards – in print and online #editorchat

[21:26:27] BeckyDMBR: @SuburbNews Yes. Plenty of punditry out there. Not enough research and straight info. #editorchat

[21:26:33] stephauteri: @LydiaBreakfast: That’s b/c publishers financially support only a teeny-weeny percentage of the books they publish. Sure things. #editorchat

[21:26:36] elyssaeast: At least for now the ebook is harder to market than the physical one bc the reader has to shell out for an e-reader. Not cheap! #editorchat

[21:27:10] ErikSherman: @LydiaBreakfast They’re starting to. If they think you can’t sell lots, you don’t get the contract. #editorchat

[21:27:28] stephauteri: @elyssaeast: I’m intrigued by those online publishers who offer books in both e and print form… #editorchat

[21:27:31] LydiaBreakfast: @stephauteri financially support = take a bath a lot of times #editorchat

[21:27:52] elizabethbarr: @rogerdooley Re line between editorial and advertising Γ’β‚¬β€œ growing thinner by the day. #editorchat

[21:27:53] JuliaAngwin: Maybe e-books are eventually transparency for authors – people can compare crowd-source reviews, share reading experiences? #editorchat

[21:28:00] elyssaeast: @JuliaAngwin That’s a solid move. A book’s value is rarely reflected in its sales. #editorchat

[21:28:35] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast I’m still looking for my benefactor. One day they will come! πŸ™‚ Joining late. Bob Bobala from Intuit. #editorchat

[21:28:38] ErikSherman: OK, speaking of books, I have one to finish tonight. #editorchat

[21:28:41] JDEbberly: @milehighfool I know waht you mean, I’ve been typing tpyos all evening #Editorchat

[21:28:43] KatPowers: @SpecialDee Question: Does identity matter more for a journalist than a run-of-the-mill expert you’re quoting? #editorchat

[21:28:47] LydiaBreakfast: @JuliaAngwin they can sort of do that online at B&N and amazon with reviews and ratings #editorchat

[21:29:02] sairy: RT @JuliaAngwin Maybe e-books are transparency for authors – people can compare crowd-source reviews, share experiences? #editorchat

[21:29:09] BeckyDMBR: Book publishing has changed A LOT in the last 10-15 years. Scaled down on publisher’s end, ramped up on author’s. #editorchat

[21:29:11] jimmcbee: < waiting for someone to offer me money for product placement in an article. #editorchat

[21:29:19] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala Hey there mr San Diego πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:29:25] JDEbberly: I MEANT “what” and “typos”. It’s ironic when I typo’d the word “typo” #Editorchat

[21:29:28] jkwill10: Gospel: RT @SpecialDee: Byline = reputation = integrity; editors uphold journalists to these standards – in print and online. #editorchat

[21:29:38] elyssaeast: @stephauteri Which publishers? #editorchat

[21:29:51] sairy: @JuliaAngwin I think you’ve hit on something… as I’ve followed the tech beyond gov’t transparency projects, we’re not far off. #editorchat

[21:30:05] SuburbNews: @ErikSherman Journos can do analysis based on their expertise but should be clearly labeled analysis. Explaining, not advocating #editorchat

[21:30:09] wordful: Many bloggers create how-to ebooks & give them away in xchange for email address. Then they use mailing list for affiliate sales #editorchat

[21:30:35] SpecialDee: @KatPowers Identity of the journalist or the run of the mill expert being quoted? #editorchat

[21:30:51] elyssaeast: @JDEbberly I make typos all the time w/ TweetDeck. Such tiny fonts. #editorchat

[21:30:55] stephauteri: @elyssaeast: I once worked for academic publishers, and they really only spent $ on direct mail & space advertising. #editorchat

[21:31:21] davidbdale: Transparency is as elusive as objectivity. Who will admit to being a shill for the party or know that he’s blinded by dogma? #editorchat

[21:31:38] gbmiii: @JuliaAngwin #editorchat #quote Bob Dylan – “All I can do is be me” http://ff.im/-2sAMZ

[21:31:43] stephauteri: @elyssaeast: Larger publishers will do the whole publicity thing, but the extent depends on how much faith they have in ur book. #editorchat

[21:32:07] KatPowers: @SpecialDee We’re online, so now we’re at the same level as experts with blogs (for some). 1/2 #editorchat

[21:32:26] SpecialDee: If news becomes aggregated, will journalists have their own RSS feeds based on their byline? by their newspaper? combo? #editorchat

[21:32:47] KatPowers: 2/2 and we’re wrestling with the idea that we have to be above the crowd but also we have to be part of the crowd #editorchat

[21:32:59] elizabethbarr: Many publishers won’t consider you if you don’t have a built-in platform for marketing, either a blog or a column. #editorchat

[21:33:10] milehighfool: @SpecialDee I’ve seen this many places already. TheStreet.com does it. #editorchat

[21:33:37] elizabethbarr: @SpecialDee Great question! That will be one for newspaper guilds to hammer out. Which means no consensus for a while! #editorchat

[21:33:39] timecommander: @Wordful Do you suggest doing this or rather is it not recommended? #editorchat

[21:33:49] sairy: @SpecialDee I’ve already seen feeds by topic and by author in several publications #editorchat

[21:34:10] hinder: @specialDee a lot of pubs have their writers posting all their pieces on twitter/facebook already. Kinda serves as an RSS feed. #editorchat

[21:34:11] SuburbNews: Sadly, I have to go put the kids to bed. I’ll try to return or read the transcript. Thank you. Interesting Qs and debate #editorchat

[21:34:42] JuliaAngwin: So let’s pull this together. How much does maintaining a digital identity, building audience interfere/enhance the writing life? #editorchat

[21:34:45] jimmcbee: @SpecialDee that’s assuming they have newspapers to work for. #editorchat

[21:34:47] milehighfool: @SuburbNews Thanks for joining us again. See you soon. #editorchat

[21:34:50] stephauteri: @hinder: This is true, but I think the ones who are merely broadcasting and not interacting have got it wrong. #editorchat

[21:34:50] SpecialDee: @KatPowers It’s a case of where your stories appear-on a newspaper site? Then there must be an editor behind you. #editorchat

[21:35:08] edwardboches: @SpecialDee wow. that would put even more power in hands of readers and make it even more difficult for pub to make $ or subs #editorchat

[21:35:14] elizabethbarr: @hinder Or they post an excerpt on their blog and link to the paper/magazine. But that’s on a case by case basis, no? #editorchat

[21:35:15] elyssaeast: @stephauteri I was a reviews editor at PW and watched publishers sink tons behind 1 or 2 titles & leave the rest to wither. #editorchat

[21:35:17] LydiaBreakfast: @SuburbNews thanks for joining us, goodnight to the kiddos #editorchat

[21:35:35] wordful: @timecommander Depends on what your intentions are. Some people just use their blogs as a platform to bigger things. #editorchat

[21:35:48] SpecialDee: Exactly. RT @jimmcbee: @SpecialDee that’s assuming they have newspapers to work for. #editorchat

[21:35:49] LydiaBreakfast: Q5 How much does maintaining a digital identity, building audience interfere/enhance the writing life? #editorchat

[21:35:52] hinder: @stephauteri I totally agree. It’s not building a following it’s just shoving news down the people’s throats. #editorchat

[21:35:54] milehighfool: RT Q: How much does maintaining a digital identity, building audience interfere/enhance the writing life? #editorchat

[21:36:28] stephauteri: @JuliaAngwin: It may be time intensive, but I believe it enhances the writing experience. #editorchat

[21:36:49] elyssaeast: @JuliaAngwin Building an identity via social networking at least can be really time consuming & can get in the way of writing. #editorchat

[21:37:00] JuliaAngwin: @stephauteri Do you learn from your audience? Get ideas from readers? #editorchat

[21:37:06] stephauteri: @JuliaAngwin: All that input from those you connect with online enriches your writing by showing you different POVs. #editorchat

[21:37:11] mrinaldesai: @JuliaAngwin #editorchat it’s about ‘you media’ – all very important

[21:37:16] KatPowers: Q5 folks know who I am, where I’m coming from, usually more inclined to feed me info #editorchat

[21:37:31] BaileyMcC: Q5 it enhances it, your audience can be a great asset for material, instant feedback, etc. #editorchat

[21:37:33] sairy: @JuliaAngwin I think it still depends on genre; writing about tech online or off fits well with new media, but it’s a time suck. #editorchat

[21:37:42] elyssaeast: @milehighfool It interferes, but it’s necessary (and can be fun.) #editorchat

[21:37:46] ptrcrown: Thank you! I must go and be myself… “every one else is taken”. This was stimulating and thought provoking. #editorchat

[21:37:47] edwardboches: @stephauteri doesn’t effectiveness of “marketing” or blding readership, and quality of content go hand in hand? #editorchat

[21:37:50] jimmcbee: q5: will be more critical and time consuming the less writers/editors are able to rely on publishers for their daily bread. #editorchat

[21:37:55] stephauteri: @elyssaeast: It’s so sad! I used to feel so frustrated on behalf of my authors. #editorchat

[21:37:56] elizabethbarr: Q5 I think it involves a lot more strategy and deciding beforehand what your brand is and what you stand for. Gives you focus. #editorchat

[21:37:58] bob_bobala: @milehighfool If you like to write and communicate with people it opens up a huge world. If you don’t, it’s gotta be tiring. #editorchat

[21:38:21] JDEbberly: Q5: It actually enhances my writing. back when I had three online identities, tracking diff. identities enhanced creativity #Editorchat

[21:38:36] stephauteri: @edwardboches: Oh totally! If I was putting out complete drivel, I’m assuming I’d have far less followers. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:38:41] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast @JuliaAngwin Q5 I think it depends on your writing/reporting. #editorchat

[21:38:42] LydiaBreakfast: @ptrcrown Thanks for joining us tonight, you did very well for a first timer πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:38:44] Jfavreau: @JuliaAngwin I am new to this and I tend to build a following by participating in chats like this. #editorchat

[21:38:49] bacigalupe: @JuliaAngwin @JuliaAngwin transparency & honesty may be correlated but not sure one leads to the other, aren’t they contextual? #editorchat

[21:38:54] edwardboches: can’t believe i just posted a tweet with a grammatical error on editorchat #editorchat

[21:39:00] hinder: I’ve found the digital identity helps the writing. Sources reach out to you plus you are more connected to what they care about. #editorchat

[21:39:27] mguerard: @edwardboches Did any of these editors pounce on it? #editorchat #editorchat

[21:39:28] LydiaBreakfast: @edwardboches typing so quickly, it is hard NOT to make a mistake #editorchat

[21:39:29] bob_bobala: @JDEbberly Three identities! I’d say that’s an enhancement. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:39:46] BeckyDMBR: @edwardboches We’re all editing you! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:39:46] elyssaeast: Q5 The good thing is that it enables authors to exceed more control w/ marketing themselves. It’s audience building. #editorchat

[21:39:59] JuliaAngwin: @JDEbberly Maybe multiple online identities is good practice for character development. #editorchat

[21:40:45] edwardboches: @mguerard no, but i saw a post with a worse mistake right after mine, so i feel ok, thanks. #editorchat

[21:40:46] milehighfool: Having an identity is a prerequisite to creating a community, which is essential both for writer and outlet, no? #editorchat

[21:40:51] elyssaeast: @BeckyDMBR LOL! #editorchat

[21:40:53] wordful: Q5 it certainly gives us more control and reach over our potential to be heard #editorchat

[21:41:16] jkwill10: Q5: I get a little social media-ed out from time to time and don’t keep up with people like I should #editorchat

[21:41:24] underoak: Hey, #editorchat, dropping in to share from @fionamorgan: With fewer reporters covering local news, who fills gaps? http://bit.ly/12wbWF

[21:41:52] JDEbberly: @JuliaAngwin I agree with you there, Julia, except that I never went on to writing great Tom Clancy novels #Editorchat

[21:42:00] SpecialDee: Q5: Building audience/maintaining online identity can boost your resources-it’s the ultimate business card. #editorchat

[21:42:12] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Very much so. But if writing, engagement is part of the deal. #editorchat

[21:42:22] LydiaBreakfast: @underoak that is a whole other discussion, maybe for next session? #editorchat

[21:42:27] bob_bobala: Building an online identity can sure help hone your voice. #editorchat

[21:42:31] jimmcbee: Gotta do supper. Thanks to Julia. Take care, y’all, and check out http://smartnewsnc.com when you get a chance. Hi to @underoak #editorchat

[21:42:32] wetzeledit: Shoot, I have to go–thanks for the great chat and I’ll see you all ’round the Twittersphere. –Wendy Wetzel, freelance copyed #editorchat

[21:42:34] stephauteri: @milehighfool: I agree. If you lack focus, you lack identity, in which case it becomes tougher to build a body of work #editorchat

[21:42:45] stephauteri: @milehighfool: …and build an audience. #editorchat

[21:43:00] milehighfool: @wetzeledit Thanks, Wendy. Glad you could join us. #editorchat

[21:43:18] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee ‘Night Jim, thanks again. #editorchat

[21:43:39] JuliaAngwin: @JDEbberly There’s still time! #editorchat

[21:43:41] sairy: @JuliaAngwin thanks – this was a great #editorchat

[21:43:42] LydiaBreakfast: @wetzeledit Thanks Wendy always a pleasure #editorchat

[21:43:54] milehighfool: @stephauteri And without the audience … (Shudders). #editorchat

[21:43:55] bob_bobala: @milehighfool I’m just saying the Emily Dickinson’s of the world would struggle with social media. #editorchat

[21:44:04] jkwill10: #editorchat rocks as always. @lydiabreakfast and @milehighfool are superstars. Nite

[21:44:26] JuliaAngwin: @sairy Thanks for coming, thoroughly enjoyed it. #editorchat

[21:44:30] milehighfool: @jimmcbee Thanks much, Jim. See you next week. #editorchat

[21:44:36] LydiaBreakfast: @jkwill10 we heart you too Jeff πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:44:53] elizabethbarr: @bob_bobala I think Emily Dickinson would love SM. She’d just be a lurker and skewerer of it. #editorchat

[21:45:02] milehighfool: @jkwill10 Thanks, Jeff. See you next week, I hope. #editorchat

[21:45:05] JDEbberly: @JuliaAngwin It would be nice if I could write up a couple dozen thrillers. Great retirement revenue stream potential there #Editorchat

[21:45:05] underoak: @LydiaBreakfast Yep, sorry for getting off topic. Apologies. My answer to Q5 upcoming will partly ‘splain. #editorchat

[21:45:46] LydiaBreakfast: RT @elizabethbarr I think Emily Dickinson would love SM. She’d just be a lurker and skewerer of it. -Brilliant! #editorchat

[21:46:01] JDEbberly: @jimmcbee Looking forward to seeing you next week! Have a fabulous evening! πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[21:46:04] milehighfool: Killjoy warning: 10 minutes left. We’ll allow for a re-intro and a link beginning at 9:55 pm. #editorchat

[21:46:04] KatPowers: @elizabethbarr Imagine Dylan Thomas embracing social media! #editorchat

[21:46:05] bob_bobala: @elizabethbarr Right on, Elizabeth. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:46:09] JuliaAngwin: @elizabethbarr Maybe we should just start tweeting Emily Dickinson lines and bring her to life! #editorchat

[21:46:31] elyssaeast: @elizabethbarr If ED were alive today she’d blog her heart out! #editorchat

[21:46:33] LydiaBreakfast: @JuliaAngwin she has a myspace page #editorchat

[21:46:50] underoak: Q5 for #editorchat: Yes, digital life interferes with writing focus (as I procrastitweet). But it adds massive sources, links, connections.

[21:47:04] elizabethbarr: Way OT, but a blogger I read did a post about Shakespeare’s Twitter stream. It was hilarious! #editorchat

[21:47:08] hinder: She’d be a creeper! RT @elizabethbarr I think Emily Dickinson would love SM. She’d just be a skewerer of it. -Brilliant! #editorchat

[21:47:16] LydiaBreakfast: @underoak procrastitweet! #editorchat

[21:47:23] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Doesn’t Shakespeare as well? #editorchat

[21:47:32] SpecialDee: @JDEbberly Write a couple dozen thrillers? Just enrolled in Writing Fiction course – starts in few weeks. #editorchat

[21:47:41] elyssaeast: @underoak procrastitweet: I love that! #editorchat

[21:48:14] JDEbberly: @underoak That’s a new Twerm, “Procrastitweet” I need to remember to post it on the Twitter Wiki #Editorchat

[21:48:27] pickcontests: (@gbmiii)@JuliaAngwin #editorchat #quote Bob Dylan – “All I can do is be me” http://ff.im/-2sAMZ http://twitter.com/gbmiii/statuses/1654

[21:48:38] LydiaBreakfast: @elizabethbarr BTW would love to see Dorothy Parker tweet. That would be amazing #editorchat

[21:49:01] JuliaAngwin: @underoak procrastitweet: I’m the opposite, I procrastinate tweeting! #editorchat

[21:49:23] milehighfool: @elyssaeast Another twitticism. Tons of them at the Twictionary. (Yes, that’s real.) #editorchat

[21:49:38] stephauteri: RT @underoak: Yes, digital life interferes with writing focus (as I procrastitweet). But it adds massive sources, links… #editorchat

[21:49:50] elizabethbarr: @LydiaBreakfast Dorothy Parker’s Tweets? Don’t give me ideas. (Should I call dibs on this? How does that work?) #editorchat

[21:50:04] Vitalizer: RT @JDEbberly: @underoak That’s a new Twerm, “Procrastitweet” I need to remember to post it on the Twitter Wiki #Editorchat

[21:50:26] LydiaBreakfast: @elizabethbarr ha ha that could be a joint project. What fresh hell indeed! #editorchat

[21:50:36] wordful: BTW what happened to the editorchat.wordpress.com blog? I never saw this week’s questions posted there. #editorchat

[21:50:46] milehighfool: @Vitalizer Send me a link when it’s up. #editorchat

[21:50:52] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Tons of ways to procrastinate. At least SM offers networking, swine flu updates, etc. #editorchat

[21:51:34] stephauteri: RT: @BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Tons of ways to procrastinate. At least SM offers networking, swine flu updates, etc. #editorchat

[21:51:36] milehighfool: @wordful Since Julia had questions of her own we decided to not post a new intro. #editorchat

[21:52:22] elizabethbarr: Speaking of swine flu, has editorchat tackled the topic of media scares/responsible reporting on public health? #editorchat

[21:52:28] wordful: @milehighfool oh, thanks. I was late, must have missed that. #editorchat

[21:52:58] bacigalupe: @LydiaBreakfast would we have a new form of twitter poetry with all kind of deconstructive theories about the 140 characters? #editorchat

[21:53:04] wordful: @wordful and thanks Julia for your questions! #editorchat

[21:53:22] LydiaBreakfast: @elizabethbarr not yet, perhaps for another week #editorchat

[21:53:41] milehighfool: Two-minute warning. At 9:55 om we’ll start re-intros and a link. #editorchat

[21:53:50] JuliaAngwin: @wordful Thanks for coming – it was really fun! #editorchat

[21:54:01] LydiaBreakfast: @bacigalupe that is a great idea! #editorchat

[21:54:30] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Two-minute warning. At 9:55 om we’ll start re-intros and a link. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:55:16] JuliaAngwin: Thanks to @LydiaBreakfast and @milehighfool for hosting me tonight. This has been a real pleasure and thought-provoking. #editorchat

[21:55:21] dugL: @bacigalupe , you’re so soupy, i wanna snake past @LydiaBreakfast, #editorchat is where it’s at. that’s twitter poetry πŸ™‚

[21:55:30] BeckyDMBR: @bacigalupe Deconstructing poetry would be “funner” if it coincided with Drunk Tweeting. Just sayin’. #editorchat #editorchat

[21:55:46] milehighfool: And we’re at 9:55. Reintroduce yourself and add a link if you’d like. #editorchat

[21:55:56] jg_rat: missed most of #editorchat again. Editoring got in the way again. Sigh.

[21:56:12] bacigalupe: @JuliaAngwin terrific questions! #editorchat

[21:56:17] BeckyDMBR: @JuliaAngwin Thanks so much for coming tonight! #editorchat #editorchat

[21:56:23] elyssaeast: All of this procrastinating talk is making me feel guilty! (Head hanging in shame.) I have to get back to my book. #editorchat

[21:56:37] underoak: @BeckyDMBR Indeed on procrastination via SM. And perhaps tweeting also serves as a writing warmup exercise. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:56:48] elizabethbarr: Have to put my toque on and make creme brulees. I really enjoyed my first EC. Thanks to Lydia, Milehigh and @JuliaAngwin! #editorchat

[21:56:55] stephauteri: Glad to catch the last half of #editorchat! Fabulous as always. #editorchat

[21:57:21] JDEbberly: Hello, I’m J.D. Ebberly. I recommend that you participate in Editorchat every Wednesday Night from 8p to 10p EST #Editorchat

[21:57:23] stephauteri: Steph Auteri. Writer for Nerve.com and other pubs. I also blog over at http://www.freelancedom.com #editorchat

[21:57:34] SpecialDee: Thanks to @LydiaBreakfast and @milehighfool for hosting @JuliaAngwin tonight. #editorchat

[21:57:38] elyssaeast: Thank you @milehighfool, @LydiaBreakfast, @JuliaAngwin, and ALL for such an interesting discussion. I’m so glad I dropped by. #editorchat

[21:57:41] stephauteri: @elizabethbarr: yummm…creme brulee… #editorchat

[21:57:56] BeckyDMBR: I’m a freelance journalist in Iow-ay, online and (gasp) in print. #editorchat

[21:58:06] elyssaeast: Cheers to all. It certainly was time well spent. #editorchat

[21:58:23] KatPowers: editor of a paper and website just outside Boston, using your wisdom at http://www.wickedlocal.com/somerville #editorchat

[21:58:37] hinder: Writer/editor for a variety of pubs. Thanks #editorchat – had a great time.

[21:58:46] bob_bobala: Thanks guys. Bob Bobala writing for TurboTax, Quicken, formerly Motley Fool, and for myself here: http://exitstrategypress.com #editorchat

[21:58:50] BeckyDMBR: @underoak Tweeting definitely limbers you up for editing your work. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:59:01] JuliaAngwin: Happy Wednesday – thanks to all of you for joining the discussion tonight! #editorchat

[21:59:11] BaileyMcC: Bailey McCann managing editor at CivSource, writer/copywriter/editor/etc at other places too. http://www.civsourceonline.com #editorchat

[21:59:22] JDEbberly: MAJOR KUDOS to @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for hosting @JuliaAngwin here on Editorchat. Very Fascinating chat!! πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[21:59:46] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast Hello, I’m Dan Miranda. I couldn’t make it to #editorchat, but I look forward to being there next week. Oh yeah, I’m 13.

[21:59:56] wordful: Charles Bohannan struggling writer editor blogger in Hawaii. #editorchat

[21:59:56] SpecialDee: Great discussions 2nite! Thanks! Here’s what I do as a Special Sections editor http://bit.ly/dHBIr #editorchat

[22:00:06] LydiaBreakfast: Thanks to all for coming tonight, hope you enjoyed mixing it up with our guest mod. @juliaangwin #editorchat

[22:01:43] JDEbberly: @LydiaBreakfast This chat was off the charts tonight! I’m telling all my Twitter friends about it! πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[22:02:33] LydiaBreakfast: @timecommander thanks Dan, oh and feel free to use your real 13 y/o speak. my daughter only talks in txt. #editorchat

[22:03:09] LydiaBreakfast: @JDEbberly awesome glad you had a good time #editorchat

[22:03:12] Jfavreau: Jamie Favreau writer at http://jamiefavreau.wordpress.com and trying to create an opp as a freelancer or community coordinator. #editorchat

[22:03:43] milehighfool: Thanks to everyone for joining and to @JuliaAngwin for moderating. Once more, find Stealing MySpace here: http://bit.ly/15mS3W #editorchat

[22:04:16] elizabethbarr: Indeed! RT @JDEbberly: @LydiaBreakfast This chat was off the charts tonight! I’m telling all my Twitter friends about it! πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[22:04:26] bikelady: I apologize for slipping out. Got a call from sis. Her daughter in an accident. Had to take that call. I’ll try again next week. #editorchat

[22:05:37] LydiaBreakfast: We’ll try to post the transcript as soon as we can. Check editorchat.wordpress.com for the full conversation. Good night all! #editorchat

[22:05:39] milehighfool: Continue as long as you’ like but I’m signing off. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, http://timbeyers.com Night all #editorchat

[22:06:21] CathyWebSavvyPR: @JuliaAngwin Sorry I missed your chat tonight, I was co-hosting a #SmallBizChat from 8-9 and forgot about #editorchat after

[22:07:36] hdbbstephen: @edwardboches #editorchat Just had a convo about ID & name. Difficult for me, have a *very* common name…

[22:08:12] JDEbberly: The transcript will soon be posted at https://editorchat.wordpress.com for those who missed the chat tonight #Editorchat

[22:08:17] CathyWebSavvyPR: RT @JuliaAngwin Potent’l success story some say e-books will finally allow writers 2 B judged by their words not covers/mrketing #editorchat

[22:08:20] JuliaAngwin: @CathyWebSavvyPR No worries, thanks for trying to stop by! #editorchat

[22:08:52] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast G’night! Thanks for another great chat! #editorchat

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May 1, 2009 at 1:39 pm

Transcript of #editorchat 4/22

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[20:30:28] milehighfool: And we’re live. Julia Angwin of The Wall Street Journal, our planned guest moderator, is on a breaking story. #editorchat

[20:30:51] KarenLynch: The stars aligned and I checked Twitter just before the start of this chat. I’m a freelancer, joining in! #editorchat

[20:31:22] milehighfool: So it’ll be yours truly and @LydiaBreakfast with you, as usual. Introduce yourself as you join, and welcome. #editorchat

[20:31:36] OurManinSH: rt: first credentialed twitter coverage of a Omega China Golf pro tour w/ @lonniehodge over at @chinagolf #journchat #editorchat

[20:31:56] milehighfool: Welcome, Karen. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:31:59] SpecialDee: Newspapers want 2 build online communities; would you blog on your local newspaper’s site if they allowed readers to blog? #editorchat

[20:32:10] wordful: Hello Charles Bohannan here in Hawaii: writer, editor, blogger, surfer. #editorchat

[20:32:13] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast Sorry to hear that but glad we’re still having it #editorchat

[20:32:33] LydiaBreakfast: H?ello tweeps, sorry about @juliaangwin but we are forging ahead. #editorchat

[20:32:41] anndouglas: I’ll be joining in tonight, too. (Author, blogger, mag columnist: pregnancy/parenting etc.) Love this chat! #editorchat

[20:32:50] hotspringer: Rebecca McCormick here. Fountain pen-lovin’, cello-playin’ freelance travel writer from Hot Springs, Arkansas. #editorchat

[20:32:59] SpecialDee: RT @SpecialDee: I am Special Sections editor at Maine newspaper. #editorchat

[20:33:08] JDEbberly: Hi JD Ebberly in N VA, blogger who writes pieces on blogging and new media #Editorchat

[20:33:12] bob_bobala: Bob Bobala of TurboTax, Quicken, and formerly The Motley Fool, signing in while still working here on the West Coast #editorchat

[20:33:17] milehighfool: Hei Ann, Rebecca, Charles — glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:33:24] wetzeledit: I’m back! Glad the chat is on. Wendy Wetzel, freelance editor (Christian books) #editorchat

[20:33:27] travelinggal: Hello – I’m freelance writer/blogger who covers mainly travel as well as other topics. Glad to be here #editorchat

[20:33:28] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Howdy, howdy … Becky, journalist in Iow-ay here! #editorchat

[20:33:38] spencerspellman: Hello all, Spencer Spellman here. Greenville, South Carolina freelance writer and travel editor #editorchat

[20:33:43] SuSaw: RT @juliaangwin*so* sorry that I cannot host the #editorchat discussion tonight. I am swamped by MySpace news. DEEPEST Apologies.

[20:33:46] milehighfool: @SpecialDee Glad you could make it. You too, Bob and JD. #editorchat

[20:34:06] timecommander: @VeronicaFitzHug #editorchat time!

[20:34:15] UrbanMuseWriter: So glad I finally get to join #editorchat Boston-based freelance writer/blogger covering career & lifestyle topics

[20:34:17] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR Becky! Glad you could make it. Thanks for joining. #editorchat

[20:34:26] travelinggal: I forgot to add that I’m in NE Georgia. #editorchat

[20:34:36] jennipps: Hi, everyone! Jen here, fl writer in south Oklahoma, currently writing about writing, freelancing, & (new gig) health. #editorchat

[20:34:39] anndouglas: Will be participating in #editorchat until approx 10 pm. (in case you wish to adjust your settings). πŸ™‚

[20:34:47] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR A photographer friend made me look good. #editorchat

[20:35:09] milehighfool: @UrbanMuseWriter Hey Susan. Finally is right — glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:35:15] spencerspellman: @jennipps Glad to see you here tonight. #editorchat

[20:35:37] DaydreamWriter: Joining #editorchat tonight. Philadelphia-based freelance writer/blogger covering health, entertainment, education, and lifestyle.

[20:35:39] jennipps: @spencerspellman And same to you. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:35:44] milehighfool: @timecommander Glad you could make it again. Welcome. #editorchat

[20:35:45] timecommander: Hey everyone, I’m Dan Miranda, the thirteen year old blogger. I see a lot of familiar faces, which is great! #editorchat

[20:35:55] GeriRosman: Any business writers/editors on tonight? I’m a publicist based in NJ. Thanks! #editorchat

[20:35:56] milehighfool: Time to get to the rules. #editorchat

[20:36:11] spencerspellman: @DaydreamWriter Welcome #editorchat

[20:36:15] milehighfool: No 1. Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:36:16] JDEbberly: @timecommander Great to see you again Dan! πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[20:36:35] LydiaBreakfast: Glad to see everyone tonight πŸ™‚ Thanks for joining despite our change o’ plans. #editorchat

[20:36:41] milehighfool: Rule No. 2. Stay on topic #editorchat

[20:37:01] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast It’ll still be a great chat. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:37:12] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat

[20:37:17] timecommander: @JDEbberly @milehighfool Great to be here again! Appreciate the warm welcome! #editorchat

[20:37:25] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast No worries. Glad we can still forge ahead. #editorchat

[20:37:29] shortformernie: Hey all, Ernie Smith, designer at Wash Post Express, Editor of ShortFormBlog (http://shortformblog.com/). And I’m a cool guy. #editorchat

[20:37:36] CrypticFragment: @jennipps is #editorchat for editors only or also writers like #writechat ?

[20:37:42] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:37:53] UrbanMuseWriter: @milehighfool Thanks! Looking forward to this #editorchat

[20:38:03] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:11] milehighfool: @shortformernie You do a great job,, too, Ernie. Love the blog. #editorchat

[20:38:29] jennipps: @CrypticFragment It’s also for writers. πŸ™‚ Join us! Best way (IMO) is Tweetchat. #editorchat

[20:38:35] LydiaBreakfast: @CrypticFragment editors and writers #editorchat

[20:38:39] jimmcbee: Dropping in. Ex-newspaper guy, current newsletter guy + http://smartnewsnc.com guy. #editorchat

[20:38:40] milehighfool: @CrypticFragment Writers welcome. For editors and those of us who write for them. #editorchat

[20:38:52] PDXsays: hi writer|editor freelance Porltand or #editorchat

[20:38:52] hotspringer: (I love it when @milehighfool enforces Rule No. 4. He zapped me one night.) #editorchat

[20:39:16] spencerspellman: @jimmcbee Welcome. Glad to see you here again. #editorchat

[20:39:31] milehighfool: @jimmcbee Good to see you again, Jim, #editorchat

[20:39:35] Sascha_Zuger: Hi all, popping in for a bit, but on deadline. Freelancer for mags/papers, author. #editorchat

[20:39:36] spencerspellman: @PDXsays Welcome. Nice to meet you. #editorchat

[20:40:20] shortformernie: @milehighfool Thanks man πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:40:21] gmarkham: @SpecialDee nope. I have nothing that I want to say to the geographic community. #editorchat

[20:40:23] spencerspellman: @Sascha_Zuger Welcome. I feel the deadline thing. I can only stay for a bit too because of deadlines #editorchat

[20:40:27] jimmcbee: Good to be here again. Missed out last week. ^5 to Ernie, while I’m at it. #editorchat

[20:40:45] CrypticFragment: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast @jennipps hello I’m a poet/fiction writer just relocated to Denver, recently resumed writing also #editorchat

[20:41:00] LydiaBreakfast: So tweeps, we are going to shelve @juliaangwin’s questions since she’s not here, and throw out some other ones on the same topic #editorchat

[20:41:10] travelinggal: Deadlines must be catching. I’m on a few as well. #editorchat

[20:41:37] LydiaBreakfast: @travelinggal thanks for joining us despite your deadlines πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:41:44] milehighfool: @CrypticFragment Well then we should meeti up. I’m in Littleton, over by the Chatfield State Park. #editorchat

[20:42:08] Single_Shot: Hey folks! Diane Mapes, Seattle freelance journalist covering lifestyle, health, singles issues & oddball body stuff. #editorchat

[20:42:12] travelinggal: @LydiaBreakfast wouldn’t miss it #editorchat

[20:42:18] KarenLynch: Love seeing fellow FLXers here. Hi all. Thanks fearless mods for doing this! #editorchat

[20:42:20] standupkid: Hello all… television reporter, freelancer at the New York Post, blogger and soon to be wine travel expert here. #editorchat

[20:42:24] LydiaBreakfast: Please refer to the Question number when you answer so we can all follow along #editorchat

[20:42:32] jennipps: @travelinggal Same here. Got some new ones this morning, too. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:42:45] JenniferPerillo: Hey all. Jennifer here. Recipe developer/writer/editor in NYC. #editorchat

[20:42:49] CrypticFragment: @milehighfool I am in DU vicinity public transit not familiar w/area yet, just arrived late last night! #editorchat

[20:43:05] mriggen: @LydiaBreakfast Hi there, joining late but editor of http://www.poptech.org/blog/ First time here! #editorchat

[20:43:22] travelinggal: @standupkid wine travel – how interesting #editorchat

[20:43:24] LydiaBreakfast: Q1 On online identities – writers: do you consciously write to develop a certain following? #editorchat

[20:43:29] UrbanMuseWriter: @jennipps Congrats on the new assignments! #editorchat

[20:43:54] standupkid: @travelinggal @mrsstandupkid and I are launching a site this summer! #editorchat

[20:44:28] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Right. Broadcasting yourself is an interesting idea. We want to know why you broadcast. #editorchat

[20:44:40] SpecialDee: @gmarkham What if your blog was about writing/journalism, which local businesses would benefit from in their marketing writing? #editorchat

[20:44:56] jennipps: @UrbanMuseWriter Thanks! New-to-me area, but I’m excited. #editorchat

[20:44:57] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast I’m not sure what you mean by “certain following”, but I don’t write for one set crowd. I write for people. #editorchat

[20:45:14] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast Q1 So why you broadcast yourself on Twitter, Facebook, etc.? #editorchat

[20:45:21] rondoylewrites: Alright, I finally get to squeeze one tweet into #editorchat! Hi everyone, I’m Ron S. Doyle, freelance writer from Denver, CO. #editorchat

[20:45:30] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q1 On online identities – writers: do you consciously write to develop a certain following? #editorchat

[20:45:47] KarenLynch: @LydiaBreakfast Can you clarify Q1? Do you mean a Twitter/FB following? #editorchat

[20:46:03] milehighfool: @rondoylewrites Finally — glad to see you here, sir. Loving the Mile High presence here tonight. #editorchat

[20:46:04] jimmcbee: q1) can you clarify the question a little? do you mean re: blogging? twitteration? #editorchat

[20:46:05] jennipps: Q1 – Maybe…. I never really thought about it, but since my preferred niche is primarily writing/creativity, I guess so. #editorchat

[20:46:12] SpecialDee: Q1: In my work, each supplement has a theme, with a niche audience. #editorchat

[20:46:14] LydiaBreakfast: @timecommander The certain following usually springs from specialization on a specific topic: travel or food perhaps. #editorchat

[20:46:16] gillespi: Morning all – greetings from Brisbane Australia – author and occasional op-ed writer on the danger of sugar. #editorchat

[20:46:17] spencerspellman: Yes I had the same question , thanks @KarenLynch #editorchat

[20:46:24] cnewvine: Colleen Newvine joining late. Head of market research at AP & voice of @apstylebook. Really interested in multiple identities. #editorchat

[20:46:27] wordful: I like to write truthfully and hope to attract people who appreciate truth. The rule applies across genres. #editorchat

[20:46:30] anndouglas: Q1: I am who I am, both online and offline. I don’t have an online persona, although I know others do (like radio hosts etc). #editorchat

[20:46:40] milehighfool: @KarenLynch So, on Q1, why are you on FB, Twitter? Were you pressured by a publisher, editor to get here? #editorchat

[20:46:46] LydiaBreakfast: @KarenLynch across the board, online and print audiences #editorchat

[20:46:46] rondoylewrites: Q1: Absolutely. @twittercize connects me to the health/fitness demographic and I blog about topics that I pitch to magazines. #editorchat

[20:46:50] JDEbberly: Q1: WRT to blogging, bloggers write to attract a certain audience. #Editorchat

[20:47:02] shortformernie: Re Q1: God, my entire site is writing to nurture a following. I want to engage people. I want people who crave information. #editorchat

[20:47:06] Sascha_Zuger: Q1 Wouldn’t say I write for a certain following, but I’m aware I use my full, real name and edit myself accordingly. #editorchat

[20:47:16] bob_bobala: Q1: Secondary question to that: Do you write for/as yourself or for/as the organization you represent? #editorchat

[20:47:23] booksandcorsets: Hello all, joining the chat. I’m an editor at Sterling publishing working primarily in nonfiction and heavily illustrated titles #editorchat

[20:47:37] shortformernie: Q1: But I actually wrote about this yesterday on my friend Charles Apple’s blog. #editorchat

[20:47:40] milehighfool: RT @shortformernie: Re Q1: God, my entire site is writing to nurture a following. I want to engage people. #editorchat

[20:48:00] spencerspellman: Q1 Personally I first started getting sucked into FB, etc. for personal use, staying connected with friends… #editorchat

[20:48:04] standupkid: Q1: I believe branding yourself is the best way to build an audience in today’s environment, on TV, in print, online. #editorchat

[20:48:14] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Lloyd here from Southern Ontario Outdoors. I have 3 distinct markets I write for. Different persona for each

[20:48:16] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast I understand that. I’m still saying, I write for people. People are my niche. #editorchat

[20:48:19] rondoylewrites: Q1: For example, I blog about cycling, parenting, etc. Do I want a certain following? Yes, they’re called editors. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:48:21] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala I know some writers do, such as @kathysena tweeting as consumer reports #editorchat

[20:48:41] jennipps: @bob_bobala I mostly write for/as myself unless given a different stylesheet to go by. #editorchat

[20:48:45] spencerspellman: Q1 Now it’s half and half, because there’s some range to my niches, I write to a general audience, not so much focuesed #editorchat

[20:48:46] AbsoluteWrite: Hi, folks – MacAllister, from AbsoluteWrite.com. After lurking for a couple of weeks, thought I should introduce myself. #editorchat

[20:48:52] shortformernie: Q1: My opinion is that you have to blog broadly. You have to focus, it has to be something a lot of people can latch onto. #editorchat

[20:49:03] milehighfool: @bob_bobala There are those here who have to have a following, and those who create one through content. Agree? #editorchat

[20:49:08] jimmcbee: q1) we have a definite style for the med. coding newsletters. Policy stuff is more the Awful Voice of Newspapering. #editorchat

[20:49:18] jennipps: @AbsoluteWrite woohoo!! Great to see you here, Mac!! #editorchat

[20:49:19] KarenLynch: Re Q1: I started on Twitter to get a following for my niche blog. My tweets were often topical, absolutely #editorchat

[20:49:32] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie do you tend to think using first person is a way to get there? #editorchat

[20:49:36] UrbanMuseWriter: Q1 I’m on Twitter primarily to connect with other writers /potential blog readers but I’ve found it useful for other things, too #editorchat

[20:49:37] spencerspellman: Q1 I would like to think that my normal personality comes out strongly in my writing and interaction on Twitter #editorchat

[20:49:51] shortformernie: Q1: That’s why TechCrunch is successful. That’s why a narrowly focused journalism blog will, sadly, never make money. #editorchat

[20:49:59] wordful: Part of writing online is revealing your personality, thus you may develop a “cult of personality.” #editorchat

[20:49:59] rondoylewrites: Alright, I must go–it’s my wedding anniversary (getting to pop into #editorchat was my present) πŸ˜‰ Happy writing, everyone! #editorchat

[20:50:01] Willowbottom: Better late than never? Re Q1: I’m on Twitter for two reasons: 1) Encouraged to see who’s saying what, 2) Be inspired. #editorchat

[20:50:02] anndouglas: Q1: Brand new anthology about moms/blogging touches about blog personas. [Am contributor.] http://is.gd/tZ5B #editorchat

[20:50:06] spencerspellman: @AbsoluteWrite Welcome. Glad to see you here. #editorchat

[20:50:06] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Yeah, it’s driving me buggy. I have my own writing life and then I also have my day job. Split personality. #editorchat

[20:50:06] booksandcorsets: Q1: I’m on Twitter for myself rather than my house. I’m in acquisitions and the netwrkng w/agents and potential aus is priceless #editorchat

[20:50:12] milehighfool: @KarenLynch Do you edit yourself a certain way for Twitter? For FB? #editorchat

[20:50:17] hinder: Hi all. First time on #editorchat writer/editor for teen, hip hop and real estate pubs.

[20:50:18] KarenLynch: @UrbanMuseWriter I agree … interaction became a serendipitous benefit of Twitter #editorchat

[20:50:20] UrbanMuseWriter: Q1 in terms of my paid assignments, I write a lot for college students & twentysomethings, as well as small business owners #editorchat

[20:50:20] Single_Shot: Q1: My “platform” is singles issues so I def. cover the singles stuff on the blog (& via assignments). Humor is part of it 2. #editorchat

[20:50:45] anndouglas: Touches upon…. [Blush.] #editorchat

[20:50:46] milehighfool: @Willowbottom Hey. Glad you made it. So a following isn’t your interest? #editorchat

[20:50:52] LydiaBreakfast: Q1 let me clarify again – developing a voice is not just related to twitter, but to your blogs, print, books, etc. #editorchat

[20:51:02] shortformernie: @lydiabreakfast ShortFormBlog is in the voice of “we.” Because I’d rather sell people on the concept, not the writer. So, no. #editorchat

[20:51:06] JMegonigal: Hi all! Jordana, editor in South Carolina, following along here #editorchat

[20:51:32] timecommander: @standupkid Agreed. I came across a great article on personal branding becoming the future here: http://bit.ly/awec #editorchat

[20:51:40] wordful: Q1 The voice should reflect your persona. #editorchat

[20:51:40] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Right. A single voice for every platform?Or multiple voices for multiple platforms? #editorchat

[20:51:41] spencerspellman: Actually I would change my answer some and say that there usually is a certain type of voice to my writing #editorchat

[20:51:51] maggiekb1: Q1: I use a voice here that I can’t use in all my assignments, definitely. But I’m not sure I do that w/ a plan. Maybe I should. #editorchat

[20:51:54] KarenLynch: @milehighfool I do not edit myself … I’m such an open book. Social media seems to just be another way to be myself. #editorchat

[20:51:57] spencerspellman: @JMegonigal Hey there. Welcome! Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:51:59] Willowbottom: @milehighfool I hope ppl will follow b/c they find me interesting & want to contribute to the dialogue. No interest in bldg #s. #editorchat

[20:52:11] shortformernie: @LydiaBreakfast It’s something I borrowed in part from my old paper, Link. We had a “voice,” but it was not one person’s. #editorchat

[20:52:12] AbsoluteWrite: @jennipps Thanks, Jen. Followed you over, y’know. It’s interesting being a fly on the wall while such terrific folks talk #editorchat

[20:52:18] JMegonigal: Q1 – I’d think (esp for freelancers) creating yourself as your own brand should be goal #1… #editorchat

[20:52:19] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast I think I’m pretty consistent across the board, but someone else would have to actually say if I succeed or not. #editorchat

[20:52:31] LydiaBreakfast: Related to Q1 if you are using different personas, how do you accomplish that (style, mixed media, lots o’ links, etc.)? #editorchat

[20:52:38] JDEbberly: RT @timecommander I came across a great article on personal branding becoming the future here: http://bit.ly/awec #Editorchat

[20:52:43] Willowbottom: I do edit myself for different platforms – Twitter grants me a certain level of anonymity allowing me to be more frank/spunky. #editorchat

[20:52:43] konadad: RT @rondoylewrites: I blog about cycling, parenting, etc. Do I want a certain following? Yes, they’re called editors. #editorchat Agreed.

[20:52:44] UrbanMuseWriter: @milehighfool I’d say the voice depends on the pub. I’d be more casual in a teen website vs. B2B pub #editorchat

[20:52:53] milehighfool: @maggiekb1 Or maybe you shouldn’t. Seems this is an open question, which is why we’re asking it. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:53:03] jimmcbee: Med. coding pubs style is a weird combination of familiarity (2nd person) and super technical content. #editorchat

[20:53:15] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Once upon a time ago, I tried the different personas thing. I couldn’t do it. #editorchat

[20:53:19] CrypticFragment: leaving #editorchat need to catch up on other online errands can’t keep up see the writers folks Sunday at #writechat

[20:53:26] KarenLynch: @milehighfool And no, no pressure to get here … just a desire to learn the way of the future of communication/media #editorchat

[20:53:38] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee sounds like it takes a while to master #editorchat

[20:53:45] SpecialDee: Q1 I think people read articles based on topics of interest, followed by bylines; but topic makes the reader stick w/article. #editorchat

[20:53:47] milehighfool: @UrbanMuseWriter And in your online presence? is the Susan of your artidles the same as the one we read on Twitter? #editorchat

[20:53:49] spencerspellman: My writing style in articles, content, blogs, even FB/Twitter doesn’t change much at all #editorchat

[20:53:50] Willowbottom: @LydiaBreakfast Tone of response – on Facebook or blog, must tone myself down, be more informative. Twitter, I go for the zing. #editorchat

[20:53:52] wordful: Q1 Multiple voices, one persona. My blog is my most personal voice but other blogs are tailored. It’s still me, though #editorchat

[20:54:10] jennipps: @CrypticFragment See ya later. Glad you stopped in for a bit. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:54:17] KarenLynch: I think using your own name forces you to “be you” instead of someone else. It’s YOUR reputation on the line. #editorchat

[20:54:28] bob_bobala: Talked to Zappos exec last week and he combines all – personal life with business life – on twitter. Makes it more interesting. #editorchat

[20:54:34] spencerspellman: I like to think there’s still that edgy, kind of humorous tone no matter what the platform or what the writing #editorchat

[20:54:49] standupkid: Q1 I don’t think your various voices can ever conflict without risking your brand. Complement, show different sides, stay YOU. #editorchat

[20:54:51] Single_Shot: @Willowbottom I love your frank/spunky self. I chose part of my beat/platform for my Twitter “persona”. #editorchat

[20:54:52] jimmcbee: @LydiaBreakfast I suspect it does for some. I kinda fell right into it. But I’m not in love w/ dry, ‘objective’ style. #editorchat

[20:54:56] shortformernie: I write in two voices all the time. Express is so much more serious than SFB is. You have to know when to silence your voice. #editorchat

[20:55:12] shortformernie: You also have to know when to lower your voice’s volume. #editorchat

[20:55:15] spencerspellman: @bob_bobala Great comment . I think that’s how it should be #editorchat

[20:55:16] milehighfool: @wordful Tough to pull off, right? Developing a voice is so difficult I want to use mine everywhere. #editorchat

[20:55:18] jennipps: @bob_bobala I agree. It does. Plus it eliminates any slip-ups by posting in the “wrong” place. #editorchat

[20:55:36] merylkevans: Q1: I consciously write to give the reader something of value, not write about something because it appeals to me. #editorchat

[20:55:40] maggiekb1: @wordful This is true for me as well I think. Same persona and style comes through everywhere, but to varying degrees. #editorchat

[20:55:42] UrbanMuseWriter: @milehighfool some pubs don’t allow much room for the writer’s personality, while others embrace it #editorchat

[20:55:47] milehighfool: RT @shortformernie: You also have to know when to lower your voice’s volume.(Good point.) #editorchat

[20:55:47] jimmcbee: I’ve learned that many readers appreciate when your pub has a distinct personality. #editorchat

[20:55:55] hinder: Q1: I write/edit for a diverse range of pubs that I don’t try to develop a specific platform. Want to be known as a great worker #editorchat

[20:56:01] spencerspellman: At #smstravel a few weeks ago @karasw mentioned that if heavy brand focused, she wants personality behind the voice #editorchat

[20:56:08] wordful: @milehighfool yes, but I guess I do it unconsciously. Writing is such a worthy craft. #editorchat

[20:56:23] BeckyDMBR: Q1: Blog voice definitely different from what I write as correspondent. #editorchat

[20:56:27] spencerspellman: She wants to know that the person behind the brand sometimes forgets to take out the kitty litter #editorchat

[20:56:34] gillespi: @KarenLynch agree with that. takes a lifetime to build reputation & one post to destroy it – using your own name ensures caution #editorchat

[20:56:37] milehighfool: @merylkevans Interesting. I’m the opposite. I find that if it appeals to me, I’m more likely to engage the reader. #editorchat

[20:56:41] Willowbottom: @Single_Shot Thank you – I like your beat persona. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:56:44] shortformernie: You’re still the same guy whether you’re writing about Susan Boyle or writing about the Craigslist killer. Your voice changes. #editorchat

[20:56:48] Sascha_Zuger: @milehighfool My choice of user pic reflects my initial impetus in joining Twitter. Straight headshot on the NPR affiliate page. #editorchat

[20:56:59] bob_bobala: @hinder Agree with that. Be the best you can be, no matter what the platform or outlet you’re communicating on. #editorchat

[20:56:59] LydiaBreakfast: RT @wordful Writing is such a worthy craft. Amen! #editorchat

[20:57:11] hotspringer: A good editor will help to set tone, volume of voice before writing ever begins. #editorchat

[20:57:15] konadad: As long as you write passionately about a topic, your “persona” doesn’t really matter. #editorchat

[20:57:19] wordful: Online readers are certainly more open to hearing the writer’s personal voice. #editorchat

[20:57:23] Single_Shot: @Willowbottom I’m feeling like a beat persona tonight. ; ) #editorchat

[20:57:30] maggiekb1: I should note that I’m (vaguely) participating in #editorchat tonight. I try to keep posts down, but you may want to filter. Sorry for trbl

[20:57:31] Willowbottom: With regards to voices, I’d add that I maintain (“maintain” = loosely) four different blogs – similar style, different voices. #editorchat

[20:57:37] jennipps: RT @bob_bobala @hinder Agree with that. Be the best you can be, no matter what the platform or outlet you’re communicating on. #editorchat

[20:57:38] standupkid: Oh. Let me throw in an exception to my “be yourself” rule: Writing for a distinctive pub like the NY POST. Then, be THEM. #editorchat

[20:57:51] milehighfool: @Sascha_Zuger So, in writing, you’re truly schizophrenic. I suspect we all are, to a degree. #editorchat

[20:57:51] UrbanMuseWriter: RT @Willowbottom: @Single_Shot I like your beat persona. πŸ™‚ #editorchat <– me, too!

[20:57:52] SpecialDee: Q1 Most, but not all, of the assignments I give out are to be written in 3rd person. #editorchat

[20:58:03] spencerspellman: @milehighfool What do you think Q1. One voice across all writing and platforms? #editorchat

[20:58:04] jimmcbee: q1) It’s a dicey thing having personality as a writer. What worked for Hunter S. Thompson might not work for you. #editorchat

[20:58:15] shortformernie: @konadad Lies. Your voice is your most important part of the entire package. If you ignore it, you’ll drive off a cliff. #editorchat

[20:58:33] EilSmi: RT @bob_bobala: Talked to Zappos exec last week. He combines personal life with business life on twitter. More interesting. #editorchat

[20:58:34] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Yes, nuts might be a good way to describe it. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:58:38] Willowbottom: Similar style in that I try for most punch in least words, bullet style, formatting; but different tone entirely. #editorchat

[20:58:45] BeckyDMBR: @UrbanMuseWriter Exactly. Sometimes it gets edited OUT. #editorchat

[20:58:52] Sascha_Zuger: @milehighfool I use the voice of whatever outlet I’m working with to tell the story in best manner for their readers. #editorchat

[20:58:56] shortformernie: @jimmcbee Nor should you steal Hunter S. Thompson’s personality. #editorchat

[20:59:03] anndouglas: @Willowbottom Yes. I think being able to springboard off of another comment instantly adds power and meaning to your reply. #editorchat

[20:59:03] milehighfool: @spencerspellman Honestly, I thik you have to give editors what they need. I’m tempted to use once voice but know I need range. #editorchat

[20:59:17] Willowbottom: @jimmcbee I think personality is the luxury of people who can afford to not care about what people may think. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:59:23] UrbanMuseWriter: Took a feature writing course where the instructor discouraged use of 1st person POV. Called it a crutch. Not sure I agree #editorchat

[20:59:34] wordful: @shortformernie I agree, persona is what makes us real. Passion is merely incidental. #editorchat

[20:59:37] Dark_Faust: Sorry all – it’s been a while since I was last able to join the session. Where are the questions for this evening? Thx. #editorchat

[20:59:43] jimmcbee: q1) But I think we’ve killed many readers (in the news biz) by pretending not to have souls. #editorchat

[20:59:43] Willowbottom: @anndouglas agreed – and humor! #editorchat

[20:59:46] standupkid: @BeckyDMBR Anything truly original or funny…or the ONE THING that you like most? That will ALWAYS be edited out. It’s a RULE #editorchat

[20:59:59] bob_bobala: @milehighfool It’s a good question on voice. And it’s tied to your “writer brand.” #editorchat

[21:00:03] Willowbottom: @UrbanMuseWriter A crutch? I think it can lead to trimmer writing. #editorchat

[21:00:05] LydiaBreakfast: Depending on the publication, I can me as personal or as business-like as necessary to tell the story. #editorchat

[21:00:11] spencerspellman: @milehighfool Yeah I understand. I def have to be careful sometimes to stay within very strict boundaries for some pubs #editorchat

[21:00:15] timecommander: @milehighfool Writers won’t get anywhere unless they have a) an extremely solid voice or b) multiple voices. #editorchat

[21:00:21] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful Mmm … that depends. When I read an AP story? I don’t want snark. #editorchat

[21:00:26] milehighfool: @jimmcbee Very true. Isn’t there also a risk in not writing to your true self? #editorchat

[21:00:37] sooutdoors: Q1 Different persona may be necessary if you have mult distinct areas of expertise, but writing style doesn’t need to change. #editorchat

[21:00:40] jennipps: RT @wordful @shortformernie I agree, persona is what makes us real. Passion is merely incidental #editorchat

[21:00:46] lorilowe: @wordful I also use my most personal voice in my blog and book writing. For some corporate writing, definitely a different voice #editorchat

[21:00:48] Single_Shot: @standupkid Yes, I know that rule! I hate that rule! #editorchat

[21:00:54] SpecialDee: Q1 In poetry class we critique each other’s poems each week and 1 question always asked, “who is the speaker?” #editorchat

[21:01:09] LydiaBreakfast: @milehighfool Your true self can be lots of “people” #editorchat

[21:01:17] jimmcbee: @Willowbottom disagree. Though maybe it’s a luxury for people who don’t have to care what their editor thinks πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[21:01:19] mariaelenaduron: Jumping on late but happy 2 b on the chat! #editorchat

[21:01:26] KarenLynch: Re: Q1 and voice: I think writing on assignment is one thing and writing for your own site/blog is another. #editorchat

[21:01:36] BeckyDMBR: @jimmcbee Yeah, it didn’t always work for The Good Doctor either. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:01:40] jennipps: Ditto! RT @LydiaBreakfast Depending on the publication, I can me as personal or as business-like as necessary to tell the story. #editorchat

[21:01:51] merylkevans: @LydiaBreakfast Agreed — in both styles (business and personal), I still want to make sure I give the reader something. #editorchat

[21:01:55] UrbanMuseWriter: @Willowbottom 1st person is easy, but it’s harder to make the reader feel like they’re there (w/out using “you”) #editorchat

[21:01:58] Willowbottom: So one question for the community : how do you react if what an editor doesn’t like *is* your voice? #editorchat

[21:02:06] milehighfool: @sooutdoors Good point. A related Q: Do editors actively seek range in evaluating writing samples? #editorchat

[21:02:12] hotspringer: Voice is like the difference in how you speak to your spouse but maybe not to your mother. It can be controlled. #editorchat

[21:02:22] UrbanMuseWriter: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Depending on the publication, I can me as personal or as business-like as necessary to tell the story. #editorchat Amen!

[21:02:23] jimmcbee: @milehighfool And yet it’s easy to come off as amateurish or churlish or what-have-you. I don’t claim to have mastered it. #editorchat

[21:02:32] wordful: @BeckyDMBR Yes, you’re right. I tend to exclude journalists and copywriters when I talk about writing online. #editorchat

[21:02:43] Willowbottom: @LydiaBreakfast That’s what Sybil said… #editorchat

[21:02:53] standupkid: @Single_Shot I wrote a story about Facebook for the Post…edited by a great, smart, but not “hip” editor. Need I say more? #editorchat

[21:02:59] shortformernie: I just want to note to you guys: It helps that I suffer from multiple personality disorder. It helps my writing. πŸ˜› #editorchat

[21:03:01] hinder: I think personality should come out fully in a blog. Legit articles need to have less you. Still voice is key to any article #editorchat

[21:03:09] Willowbottom: @jimmcbee aHAH! Touche, my good man! #editorchat

[21:03:13] bob_bobala: @SpecialDee It’s funny. In fiction you always talk about a writer’s voice, but I want to talk about my character’s voice. #editorchat

[21:03:22] shortformernie: @Willowbottom You beat your editor up, duh! #editorchat

[21:03:31] jennipps: @KarenLynch RIght. For the new gig I have, I’m reading over their site to get a feeling for their tone vs mine so to do better. #editorchat

[21:03:33] spencerspellman: Q1 I think you should have a voice, but that voice should have the versatility to change in different situations #editorchat

[21:03:34] milehighfool: @Willowbottom Then you’re screwed. #editorchat

[21:03:38] LydiaBreakfast: Q2 authors: have your editors and publishing companies ask that you “brand yourself” by blogging, twittering, or using other SM #editorchat

[21:03:57] standupkid: @UrbanMuseWriter Also true in television. If you are CAREFUL about protecting your brand, you can be versatile, unique… #editorchat

[21:04:07] jennipps: @milehighfool Depends on area. I had one ask for a health article, which I didn’t have in my samples, so I think sometimes yes. #editorchat

[21:04:12] spencerspellman: Your voice in National Geographic by nature I think will have to be different then say for a technology blog #editorchat

[21:04:19] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast Excellent point re true self being lots of “people”! #editorchat

[21:04:26] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Regarding range, yes, if you need someone who can do a lot of different things. #editorchat

[21:04:28] KarenLynch: @Willowbottom If you study the publication closely enough, you can likely align your voice with the pubs, and avoid that problem #editorchat

[21:04:29] Willowbottom: @milehighfool crud. #editorchat

[21:04:34] milehighfool: @Willowbottom Well, okay, maybe not. You can’t really know till you talk with the editor live. Email won’t tell you. #editorchat

[21:04:49] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Less so if you have a very specific job to do and the writer can do it — range or no range. #editorchat

[21:04:53] standupkid: @bob_bobala Fiction! SO easy…all you do is write down what the characters do and say, right? Geez. #editorchat

[21:04:55] spencerspellman: RT @LydiaBreakfast Q2 authors: have your editors and publishing companies ask that you “brand yourself” by blogging, twittering, #editorchat

[21:04:58] jimmcbee: @Willowbottom If it was something you really loved doing, they wouldn’t have to pay you, would they? Suck it up, soldier! #editorchat

[21:05:04] wordful: Q2: I’m my own editor and publishing company! So, absolutely yes to the question! #editorchat

[21:05:15] timecommander: @standupkid That’s the key to it all. If you’re not careful, your material is no longer yours. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:05:15] jennipps: Q2 – I was blogging before I got published. No one suggested I join Twitter. #editorchat

[21:05:16] Willowbottom: @LydiaBreakfast I have been told that I am too diverse in my interests and to focus on one area. Too bad…not my style. #editorchat

[21:05:29] gillespi: @LydiaBreakfast nup – in fact Penguin couldn’t be more indifferent – possibly an Australian thing? #editorchat

[21:05:40] Single_Shot: @Willowbottom Find a new editor, maybe? Or pitch/write in voice they like or that’s better suited to the publication. #editorchat

[21:05:44] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q2 authors: have your editors and publishing companies ask that you “brand yourself” via SM #editorchat

[21:05:44] UrbanMuseWriter: @jennipps good call, I always compare the published article to what I submitted so I can nail the nuances of the voice next time #editorchat

[21:05:45] Willowbottom: @jimmcbee True enough – I guess s/he who pays gets to say what stays! #editorchat

[21:05:48] MissADS08: @LydiaBreakfast Not the people that I know who are writing books, but it sounds like a good idea to me! #editorchat

[21:05:58] merylkevans: Q2: I choose to be a one-person business, so it’s a must for me — if I want to stay busy and get paid for it. #editorchat

[21:06:17] LydiaBreakfast: @gillespi nope just specific to that publisher #editorchat

[21:06:45] Sascha_Zuger: @LydiaBreakfast HarperStudio had an Authors’ Breakfast for us to discuss social media and its benefits and importance. #editorchat

[21:06:48] Single_Shot: @standupkid Sounds almost tragically funny. I’ll go look it up & u can email me the jokes/asides that were stripped out. Deal? #editorchat

[21:06:50] jennipps: @UrbanMuseWriter I figure it’s the best way to get repeat assignments. lol #editorchat

[21:06:53] BeckyDMBR: @KarenLynch I agree. #editorchat

[21:06:53] JMegonigal: Q2 It definitely helps an editor to have writers who market themselves as their own brands #editorchat

[21:07:09] jimmcbee: @LydiaBreakfast q2) They’re not that advanced re: social media. #editorchat

[21:07:14] xybrewer: #editorchat Q2 Yes. πŸ˜‰ Is it a good thing or a bad thing? I feel really boxed in.

[21:07:15] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast Q2: I think it’s necessary that I brand myself as the “13 yr old blogger” because it makes me diverse. #editorchat

[21:07:20] stephauteri: is popping in late! Freelance writer: Sex, relationships, and the freelance life. #editorchat

[21:07:24] LydiaBreakfast: @Sascha_Zuger and what did you learn? #editorchat

[21:07:31] wordful: Q2: The editors I’ve worked for have not asked me to do social media branding. They’re too old-school. #editorchat

[21:07:31] JDEbberly: RT @JMegonigal: Q2 It definitely helps an editor to have writers who market themselves as their own brands #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:07:38] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:07:39] milehighfool: RT @Sascha_Zuger: @LydiaBreakfast HarperStudio had an Authors’ Breakfast for us to discuss social media. (A rarity?) #editorchat

[21:07:56] Willowbottom: Am I alone in finding “brand” near synonymous with “pigeonhole”? How could I change my perspective? #editorchat

[21:08:04] LydiaBreakfast: @timecommander It also makes you stand out πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:08:32] wetzeledit: I think publishers want authors with platform/brand but would not specifically push social media (yet) #editorchat

[21:08:34] milehighfool: Related Q2: Edtiros, do you want your writers engaged in social media? Do you support it? #editorchat

[21:08:36] spencerspellman: RT @JMegonigal Q2 It definitely helps an editor to have writers who market themselves as their own brands #editorchat

[21:08:43] UrbanMuseWriter: @stephauteri welcome, Steph! #editorchat

[21:08:46] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast No. I’ve been the one driving the online publicity/marketing activities; taking courses to learn more; etc. #editorchat

[21:08:47] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast Q2: I think branding/marketing/plugging yourself is a given in book publishing now. #editorchat

[21:09:00] LydiaBreakfast: @Willowbottom not necessarily. If you are branded reliable, that is a pretty good hole to be pigeoned in, no? #editorchat

[21:09:05] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast As an editor, it’s a pride thing to be able to “claim” well-known brands (writers) as part of your pub. #editorchat

[21:09:07] milehighfool: @Willowbottom Maybe. But isn’t having a niche key to getting published? #editorchat

[21:09:13] shortformernie: I’ve never been asked to “brand myself,” mainly because I’m not really worthy of it. So I just do it. #editorchat

[21:09:17] jimmcbee: q2) have tried to get employers to radically rethink our policy newsletters into a web 2.0 function. No dice. #editorchat

[21:09:21] wordful: @Willowbottom You’ll need brand to rise above the noise and mediocrity on the web. #editorchat

[21:09:32] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful I’ve noticed, tho, that many traditional media outlets try on the snark, and it really doesn’t work. #editorchat

[21:09:35] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @Willowbottom not necessarily. If you are branded reliable, that is a pretty good hole to be pigeoned in. #editorchat

[21:09:38] shortformernie: Plus, branding yourself is painful. Have you seen how hot they make those cattle prods? #editorchat

[21:09:41] merylkevans: I don’t use my deafness in my brand, but I make comments around it 2b more memorable. Teachers knew me so I couldn’t cut class. #editorchat

[21:09:45] jennipps: @milehighfool And to getting known before & after publication. #editorchat

[21:09:47] wetzeledit: It has to be done well. I know authors who start new websites & blogs for each book but never put content on them. #editorchat

[21:09:49] Willowbottom: @milehighfool Indeed – I suppose “Jill of all trades” is hardly a successful way to be, however fun. #editorchat

[21:09:58] booksandcorsets: I think many current editors don’t yet grasp the social networking possibilities. There are those who do, however. #editorchat

[21:10:02] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast That’s what I’m going for. By the time I’m older, hopefully, I’ll already be noticed in the blogosphere. #editorchat

[21:10:02] jimmcbee: @shortformernie ‘What do you do when you’re branded … and you know you’re a man?’ #editorchat

[21:10:13] stephauteri: @Willowbottom: Perhaps it would help to reconsider “brand” as “platform”? #editorchat

[21:10:23] thebrandbuilder: @xybrewer @LydiaBreakfast Do writers typically have portfolios on the web? (Pubs they’ve written for, articles, etc.) #editorchat

[21:10:33] RBLevin: Editors, would you like or dislike non-conversational pitches inserted into your #editorchat?

[21:10:35] milehighfool: @Willowbottom Snarktastic twitterer of obscure and wonderful things, on the other hand … #editorchat

[21:10:41] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Q2 Lots of publishing is still old school. I find younger editors embrace these new avenues to promote “brand”#editorchat

[21:10:46] kristoforlawson: oooo… don’t tell me i’m missing an #editorchat

[21:10:49] wordful: @BeckyDMBR True, that’s because they’re traditional. They only have a footing in certain old-established niches. #editorchat

[21:10:50] shortformernie: @jimmcbee Well played, sir. #editorchat

[21:10:52] LydiaBreakfast: RT @jmegonigal As an editor, it’s a pride thing to be able to “claim” well-known brands (writers) as part of your pub. #editorchat

[21:11:04] milehighfool: RT @stephauteri: @Willowbottom: Perhaps it would help to reconsider “brand” as “platform”? (Or portfolio.) #editorchat

[21:11:07] jennipps: Definitely agree. RT @stephauteri @Willowbottom: Perhaps it would help to reconsider “brand” as “platform”? #editorchat

[21:11:12] JMegonigal: @thebrandbuilder No, not typically, but they SHOULD. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:11:18] merylkevans: @thebrandbuilder Some do. Some don’t. I used to, but couldn’t keep up. My bio lists some pubs. I plan to put up portfolio page. #editorchat

[21:11:29] anndouglas: @milehighfool I think so. Most info sharing between authors is facilitated by author orgs or happens informally. #editorchat

[21:11:30] RBLevin: Topic came up today in a meeting. I maintain it’s intrusive and journalists would find it annoying. #editorchat

[21:11:38] JDEbberly: @kristoforlawson Still plenty of time left for you to enjoy Editorchat, KL! πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[21:11:41] RBLevin: Curious as to how others think. #editorchat

[21:11:48] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast No. My editor is not on Twitter or FB, doesn’t blog. #editorchat

[21:12:02] booksquare: for those who weren’t aware, #editorchat is going on right now. here’s the search stream: http://snurl.com/ghsnf

[21:12:04] RBLevin: @thebrandbuilder I think you HAVE to. #editorchat

[21:12:06] milehighfool: @RBLevin Hey Rich. What do you mean? #editorchat

[21:12:13] Willowbottom: @milehighfool yah but it’s hard to publish snarktastic-or sustain for prolonged periods unless there’s a lot of ire behind it! #editorchat

[21:12:15] shortformernie: Branding yourself is as much your persona as your sloganeering. If people think of you as “that guy,” that’s killer branding. #editorchat

[21:12:31] spencerspellman: Editors have encouraged it to me, but have not wanted to be married to it, maybe in case it backfires? #editorchat

[21:12:43] lorilowe: @jennipps Great point. All my platform writing is in same voice. Freelance voice varies with project/client. #editorchat

[21:12:44] jimmcbee: @RBLevin that’s what #journchat is for. Cross of pr and editorial folks. #editorchat

[21:12:53] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful Well, and if you think about it, there’s only so much snark one can use to report on, oh, serial murder. #editorchat

[21:13:02] Single_Shot: @Willowbottom I’m hoping a person’s ‘brand’ can shift over time. Book 1 brand-quirky food history; book 2-quirky wit period. #editorchat

[21:13:31] shortformernie: Which is why I’m going to start calling myself “the 13 year old blogger,” like @timecommander even though I’m almost 28 πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[21:13:33] hinder: I’m working the website for a new teen pub and even those editors don’t get the importance of utilizing social media It’s a prob #editorchat

[21:13:35] standupkid: @Single_Shot That’s a deal. Sigh. #editorchat

[21:13:36] BeckyDMBR: @KarenLynch That and ASK editors what they expect regarding voice / persona. #editorchat

[21:13:37] RBLevin: @milehighfool Hashtagged conversations where people butt in and post a pitch or an ad using the tag. #editorchat

[21:13:38] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee Thanks Jim, you took the words… πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:13:47] wordful: @BeckyDMBR Yeah, and corporate greed. #editorchat

[21:13:47] merylkevans: @milehighfool That’s true, too. My kids interest me, but it won’t interest readers unless it’s a story with a topic of interest. #editorchat

[21:13:58] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Sure it can. Like Lydia says. Reliable = brand that goes with you wherever. #editorchat

[21:14:13] kristoforlawson: what are we talking about today? #editorchat

[21:14:14] RBLevin: @jimmcbee So you would find it intrusive if flacks pitched in #editorchat? I feel most would and it should be avoided.

[21:14:27] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans it’s a fine line to walk talking about your personal stuff in the context of an article #editorchat

[21:15:09] milehighfool: @RBLevin We don’t allow it. Pitching is for #journchat. #editorchat

[21:15:12] spencerspellman: I think reliability and understanding of Social Media is key, if not then it could be bad for both the writer and editor #editorchat

[21:15:35] jimmcbee: @RBLevin bingo … I think @LydiaBreakfast, @milehighfool want us to stay on point. #editorchat

[21:15:36] LydiaBreakfast: @RBLevin we state clearly in our guidelines that this chat is a tool for writers and editors to work together, not pitch stories #editorchat

[21:15:40] anndouglas: The PR people associated with my book division aren’t on Twitter yet. Other parts of huge pub co are. #editorchat

[21:15:49] hotspringer: I’ve said this before re: online brand. Your behavior becomes your avatar. #editorchat

[21:16:03] Willowbottom: @Single_Shot I have a friend who did that – first book memoir, second contemporary/historical romance #editorchat

[21:16:04] wetzeledit: @spencerspellman Agree, sometimes perhaps a bad online presence is no better than none – maybe worse in some cases. #editorchat

[21:16:12] timecommander: @shortformernie The only thing I can promise by that is a ton of attention (and many 55 year old moms getting mad at you) #editorchat

[21:16:18] milehighfool: @merylkevans Touche. Regardless, I think if you don’t get juiced by the topic, it’ll be difficult to write. #editorchat

[21:16:22] RBLevin: @milehighfool I am speaking more broadly, beyond #editorchat. If people are hashchatting, is it rude to pitch?

[21:16:28] spencerspellman: RT @hotspringer I’ve said this before re: online brand. Your behavior becomes your avatar. #editorchat

[21:16:28] kristoforlawson: @spencerspellman – true! It is important to understand what social media is, it is hugely important in todays market #editorchat

[21:16:29] wordful: RT @hotspringer I’ve said this before re: online brand. Your behavior becomes your avatar. Well said. #editorchat

[21:16:31] KB_Alan: RT @booksquare: for those who weren’t aware, #editorchat is going on right now.

[21:16:34] Single_Shot: @Willowbottom That’s a large leap. Did it work for her okay? #editorchat

[21:16:42] RBLevin: @milehighfool Also, you can’t really stop it, can you? #editorchat

[21:16:43] shortformernie: @hotspringer That’s the point I was trying to make! *high five* #editorchat

[21:16:43] jennipps: @hotspringer I’ve seen both good and bad examples of that to prove the point. ANd when they;’re bad, YIKES! #editorchat

[21:16:53] milehighfool: RT @hotspringer: I’ve said this before re: online brand. Your behavior becomes your avatar. (Agreed.) #editorchat

[21:16:55] spencerspellman: @wetzeledit Yeah I would say that it’s usually worse #editorchat

[21:17:09] merylkevans: @milehighfool Definitely. I struggle the most with articles with a topic that doesn’t grip me as much. #editorchat

[21:17:15] JDEbberly: RT @hotspringer I’ve said this before re: online brand. Your behavior becomes your avatar. #Editorchat

[21:17:25] jimmcbee: My online ‘brand’ must be all over the place, as my interests and attitudes vary a lot. πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[21:17:25] LydiaBreakfast: Q2 again, writers, are your publishers asking you to brand yourself using SM, or do you already do that? #editorchat

[21:17:37] milehighfool: @RBLevin No question. Why wouldn’t it be? #editorchat

[21:17:40] Willowbottom: @Single_Shot I think so – her first book sold well, her second just got accepted and I believe is out next year. #editorchat

[21:17:53] shortformernie: @timecommander Why do the 55-year-old moms get mad at you? #editorchat

[21:17:54] spencerspellman: @hotspringer Excellent comment about your behavior, totally agree. #editorchat

[21:18:02] LydiaBreakfast: @jimmcbee there is that multiple personality thing again πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:18:11] stephauteri: @jimmcbee: I’m with you. I have a tough time coming up with a nice and neat elevator pitch for myself. #editorchat

[21:18:26] stephauteri: @jimmcbee: Then again, it’s nice being the go-to person for SOMEthing. #editorchat

[21:18:36] hinder: Changing your niche/diversifying is possible. I covered real estate for years and slowly fought to break out through small gigs. #editorchat

[21:18:40] kristoforlawson: I think SM should be an automatic response to the current market, you shouldn’t need to be asked if you are good at your job #editorchat

[21:18:45] milehighfool: @RBLevin No, but you can ignore it. You’ve been a journalist, Rich. What about your online ID? Differ by the medium? #editorchat

[21:19:08] BeckyDMBR: What does that mean exactly … your brand as a writer? #editorchat

[21:19:11] JDEbberly: Q2: I use SM to brand myself, have been for some time. #Editorchat

[21:19:20] jimmcbee: @LydiaBreakfast Hey, that’s Ernie’s brand. Color me ADHD. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:19:22] PR_Student: What’s an elevator pitch #editorchat

[21:19:26] RBLevin: @milehighfool That was the answer, pro or con, that I was after. #editorchat

[21:19:50] mammaloves: @BeckyDMBR Are you part of discussion right now? #editorchat??

[21:19:51] Single_Shot: Q2: Never had anyone ASK me 2 do social media. But it makes editors/agents light up when you tell them you do. #editorchat

[21:19:52] timecommander: @shortformernie A thirteen year old kid shouldn’t be on Twitter, apparently. #editorchat

[21:20:04] jennipps: @spencerspellman See ya, Spencer. Glad you could stay even for a bit. #editorchat

[21:20:04] LydiaBreakfast: RT @kristoforlawson I think SM should be automatic response to the current market (agreed) #editorchat

[21:20:05] milehighfool: Flip side of the brand question: Not sure it has a financial impact. Look at the NYT. Plenty of their writers have great brands. #editorchat

[21:20:09] UrbanMuseWriter: @PR_Student it’s a short, succinct way of saying what you do #editorchat

[21:20:10] RBLevin: @milehighfool Not sure what you mean? I use one ID for hacking and flacking, since I’m always me. #editorchat

[21:20:15] kristoforlawson: @PR_Student – an elevator pitch is a short pitch which you would give someone in the time it takes to ride an elevator #editorchat

[21:20:22] Sascha_Zuger: @milehighfool Sorry — got bumped. Yes, it’s not often authors are brought together and I believe nearly everyone attended. #editorchat

[21:20:32] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Oooooo. Who are these editors? Names please πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:20:38] jimmcbee: @stephauteri Have no interest in being well-known. However, I could see value in branding for Smartnews purposes. #editorchat

[21:20:38] UrbanMuseWriter: @PR_Student if you’re on the elevator with a CEO, you have until he gots off at the top floor to wow him. What will you say? #editorchat

[21:20:39] wordful: @PR_Student a quick description that neatly sums up what you do. Something you could tell someone while taking an elevator. #editorchat

[21:20:41] LydiaBreakfast: @PR_Student describing yourself and your biz concisely as in, the time it takes to ride the elevator #editorchat

[21:20:44] Matt_scherer: @PR_student, it’s the twitter version of selling yourself. Toastmasters teaches you how to do it very effectively #editorchat

[21:20:48] jennipps: RT @Single_Shot Q2: Never had anyone ASK me 2 do social media. But it makes editors/agents light up when you tell them you do. #editorchat

[21:20:49] stephauteri: @PR_Student: http://liltext.com/dja It’s like a brief means of explaining all that it is you do and have to offer. #editorchat

[21:20:55] KarenLynch: Re Q2: I’m not a published author (yet) but included SM in book proposal I recently submitted to a publisher. Thought it prudent #editorchat

[21:21:03] RBLevin: @milehighfool I’m not asking if I can pitch here. I’m surveying to settle a debate. I maintain it *is* rude. #editorchat

[21:21:10] SpecialDee: A speaker has a voice. The voice has a tone. The tone creates the brand. #editorchat

[21:21:21] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @PR_Student describing yourself and your biz concisely as in, the time it takes to ride the elevator #editorchat #Ed …

[21:21:27] jennipps: SM involvement might be something to include when I meet with an editor or agent at a conference next weekend… #editorchat

[21:21:30] JDEbberly: RT @SpecialDee: A speaker has a voice. The voice has a tone. The tone creates the brand. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:21:30] hotspringer: Q2: My golf-addict husband tries new drivers, putters to improve his game. As a freelance journo, I do SM to stay IN the game. #editorchat

[21:21:34] hinder: Q2: I ‘social media’ for 2 of my freelance gigs. It wasn’t editor requested, but building a brand for both was a must. #editorchat

[21:21:35] wetzeledit: RT Single_Shot Q2: Never had anyone ASK me 2 do social media. But it makes editors/agents light up when you tell them you do #editorchat

[21:21:48] wordful: Wow, we all jumped on that elevator pitch question, huh? #editorchat

[21:21:53] anndouglas: @hinder Agree. Mainly known for writing about pregnancy/parenting, but have been writing about motherhood, politics lately. #editorchat

[21:21:55] Single_Shot: @Willowbottom That’s great. As a writer w/multiple interests/voices (fiction, nonfiction, humor, etc), it’s hard 2 narrow focus. #editorchat

[21:22:03] kristoforlawson: @milehighfool – but are the writers branded on what they have already done as a writer? #editorchat

[21:22:04] wordful: What is the reference to SM? #editorchat

[21:22:09] merylkevans: Q2: SM is today what web pages was in 1995. Few do it at first, but essential later. Most have an idea how to set up web page. #editorchat

[21:22:18] LydiaBreakfast: @wordful that is the spirit of this thing – helpful #editorchat

[21:22:30] KarenLynch: @wordful Social Media = SM #editorchat

[21:22:38] spencerspellman: @hinder I agree it helps out you and the editor or at least that’s how it should help. #editorchat

[21:22:44] AlbrightDC: RT @kristoforlawson I think SM should be an automatic response to the current market, you shouldn’t need to be asked #editorchat

[21:22:46] JMegonigal: Ack! 11% juice and no charger tonight. Fun #editorchat while it lasted. Sorry to run, ‘night all!

[21:22:56] wordful: @KarenLynch right, now I feel dumb! #editorchat

[21:23:11] milehighfool: Also, if all querying is selling, shouldn’t you have a verifiable brand to pitch? Social media can help, I think. #editorchat

[21:23:16] spencerspellman: @hinder Promote and connect you , while promoting and connecting the editor/publication #editorchat

[21:23:30] Willowbottom: @merylkevans and the barriers to entry SM are less and less every time there’s an innovation. #editorchat

[21:23:42] Single_Shot: @milehighfool I may be thinking more of book editors. But my beat editors LOVE it when I’m picked up by media. SM 2, no doubt. #editorchat

[21:23:43] spencerspellman: Gotta run now. Thanks. I enjoyed it all. #editorchat

[21:23:59] shortformernie: @timecommander To those moms I say, “You’re crazy.” You’re an innovator, not a bad kid. #editorchat

[21:24:04] timecommander: @wordful Ha, it took me a second to get it as well, Charles. But being thirteen gives me an excuse! #editorchat

[21:24:12] kristoforlawson: RT @merylkevans: Q2: SM is today what web pages was in 1995. Few do it at first #editorchat

[21:24:20] milehighfool: @kristoforlawson Yes, and that, increasingly, incliudes blogs and social media. #editorchat

[21:24:22] stephauteri: RT @milehighfool: Also, if all querying is selling, shouldn’t you have a verifiable brand to pitch? #editorchat

[21:24:42] merylkevans: @Willowbottom Exactly. What seems geeky to some now will work like using Word later. It gets easier for all to use. #editorchat

[21:24:47] shortformernie: @KarenLynch I’m so happy the name isn’t “Social and Media.” Then @timecommander would have to leave the room. #editorchat

[21:24:47] wordful: @timecommander actually less of an excuse since you are 13! #editorchat

[21:24:48] Single_Shot: @KarenLynch Smart cookie re SM in book proposal! #editorchat

[21:24:49] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Pitching is selling, but I don’t think that SM verifies your “brand”… #editorchat

[21:24:55] stephauteri: @milehighfool: I agree. And when your brand stretches across multiple platforms, it’s also a good indicator of your versatility. #editorchat

[21:24:58] justicefergie: @mammaloves what’s the #editorchat discussion about?

[21:25:05] jimmcbee: I hate selling. Even when I believe in the product. #editorchat

[21:25:07] obilon: Jumping in here for a bit. Anyone got a link to the “rules”? #editorchat

[21:25:09] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Same here. I was interviewed by the NYT last year for an iPhone story — great pub for the Fool. #editorchat

[21:25:15] timecommander: @wordful HAHA! True indeed! #editorchat

[21:25:28] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Brand is highly misunderstood – mistaken for advertising/notoriety… #editorchat

[21:25:52] ErikSherman: @milehighfool When it’s the encapsulation of doing business with a person/company. #editorchat

[21:25:53] LydiaBreakfast: @obilon all info on editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:25:56] milehighfool: @ErikSherman You don’t think your network is part of your brand as a writer? Who you know? Who you’ve done biz with? #editorchat

[21:26:08] timecommander: @shortformernie They say it’s dangerous and I do agree with them to an extent, but they completely blow it out of proportion. #editorchat

[21:26:12] Single_Shot: @KarenLynch SM is social media. I thought we were talking about sadism & masochism? ; ) #editorchat

[21:26:14] kristoforlawson: shouldn’t your work ultimately brand you, and SM is just a tool for you to connect with your audience #editorchat

[21:26:14] wordful: RT @stephauteri when your brand stretches across multiple platforms, it’s also a good indicator of your versatility. [Awesome!] #editorchat

[21:26:22] DougLance: Where are the writers editing each others work? #editorchat

[21:26:25] stephauteri: @jimmcbee: Ha! I feel as if selling myself is the toughest thing of all. It denotes a high level of belief in your worth. #editorchat

[21:26:37] DougLance: Where are the writers editing each others work on twitter? #editorchat

[21:27:30] shortformernie: BTW, to everyone adding me at @shortformernie, be sure to add @shortformblog too. I use this mostly for Tweet chats. #editorchat

[21:27:47] LydiaBreakfast: @stephauteri It is a struggle for a lot of freelancers, I think. #editorchat

[21:27:54] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Important point. But I also think it depends on the editor. Writing online principally, SM is important to my eds. #editorchat

[21:27:58] Single_Shot: @milehighfool I bet they LOVED you after the NYT interview! #editorchat

[21:28:01] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Certainly who you’ve done business with counts, but that goes to experience. #editorchat

[21:28:07] hotspringer: RT @stephauteri when your brand stretches across multiple platforms, it’s also a good indicator of your versatility. [Awesome!] #editorchat

[21:28:34] merylkevans: “If I am not for myself, who will be for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?” SM makes it possible #editorchat

[21:28:38] ErikSherman: @milehighfool But it’s much more than a list. I know people with good-sounding credits that I’d never hire. #editorchat

[21:28:40] jimmcbee: @stephauteri C’mon, you write for nerve. If that don’t give you the aura of cool, I dunno how to help ya. #editorchat

[21:28:46] stephauteri: @LydiaBreakfast: True. It ties in with the difficulty of setting rates, as well. But that’s a whole other convo… #editorchat

[21:28:52] timecommander: @shortformernie …and following. #editorchat

[21:29:05] KarenLynch: @Single_Shot Oh, what a difference an ampersand makes #editorchat

[21:29:05] bacigalupe: an aside, coming late today, great link with 20 books for the freelancer http://tinyurl.com/cdv3v9 suggested by @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat

[21:29:11] SpecialDee: When you blog a combination of personal and business posts, who owns them, you or your boss? #editorchat

[21:29:16] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot No, that’s S-*AND*-M. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:29:19] anti9to5guide: Hey all, popping in late while on a deadline. Michelle Goodman, freelance writer/author who needs a vacation. #editorchat

[21:29:19] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman which is why it is important to develop a voice and a following #editorchat

[21:29:20] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Yes. Who you know doesn’t count? Who has commented on your work via SM, for example? #editorchat

[21:29:21] stephauteri: @jimmcbee: aaahaha. Touche. #editorchat

[21:29:25] obilon: What question are we at or is it open to discuss all of them? #editorchat

[21:29:30] Sascha_Zuger: @LydiaBreakfast (sorry, bumped) Inspiring meeting – http://tinyurl.com/dj55dc #editorchat

[21:29:32] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast I fought the blog and the blog won. #editorchat

[21:29:48] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Ultimately, the editor wants to know that you can communicate a story in the format in question. #editorchat

[21:29:56] milehighfool: @ErikSherman More precisely, I’ve never been published in BusinessWeek but editors there have tweeted my articles. #editorchat

[21:30:08] kristoforlawson: @SpecialDee – depends on your contract… but I would say you should own everything you write, but licence it to your work #editorchat

[21:30:18] anti9to5guide: @Single_Shot Ain’t that the truth (re your blog). It’s great though. #editorchat

[21:30:19] Single_Shot: @BeckyDMBR @KarenLynch Details, details! #editorchat

[21:30:19] milehighfool: @ErikSherman No doubt. That’s the bottom line. #editorchat

[21:30:20] ErikSherman: @milehighfool So, for example, a book editor won’t automatically go for a magazine writer who has never actually done a book. #editorchat

[21:30:23] jennipps: RT @ErikSherman @milehighfool Ultimately, the editor wants to know that you can communicate a story in the format in question. #editorchat

[21:30:27] BeckyDMBR: @KarenLynch The little symbol with the big name. #editorchat

[21:30:44] jimmcbee: @stephauteri will have to dig into yr blog to see how you reconcile writing for nerve w/ being self-described ‘recluse’ #editorchat

[21:30:49] LydiaBreakfast: @obilon Q2 again, writers, are your publishers asking you to brand yourself using SM, or do you already do that? #editorchat

[21:30:59] BeckyDMBR: @SpecialDee Depends on how the contract’s written. #editorchat

[21:31:03] Willowbottom: @milehighfool Isn’t that 2 degrees from being published in BusinessWeek though? So close, so close… #editorchat

[21:31:05] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman which is why it is important to develop a voice and a following #editorchat

[21:31:08] stephauteri: RT @ErikSherman @milehighfool Ultimately, the editor wants to know that you can communicate a story in the format in question. #editorchat

[21:31:17] gmarkham: @SpecialDee If you’re doing it as part of your job, the company owns them. #editorchat

[21:31:19] obilon: @LydiaBreakfast Thank you again. #editorchat

[21:31:25] anndouglas: @SpecialDee The contract should specify rights. http://www.asja.org and other writers’ orgs have good rights info. #editorchat

[21:31:40] stephauteri: @jimmcbee: ::sigh:: An incredibly conflicted life. #editorchat

[21:31:46] ErikSherman: @milehighfool For editors I know, “who you know” means sources, not necessarily others commenting on work … #editorchat

[21:31:47] JDEbberly: RT @ErikSherman @milehighfool Ultimately, the editor wants to know that you can communicate a story in the format in question. #Editorchat

[21:31:50] milehighfool: @Willowbottom I know. Such teases, they are πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:31:53] anti9to5guide: Q2: My book publisher asks me to SM like crazy. Not sure my other editors have time to ponder it. #editorchat

[21:32:13] ErikSherman: @milehighfool And for online work, one real interest is whether you can create traffice… #editorchat

[21:32:16] merylkevans: @LydiaBreakfast Q2: Doing it myself. I’m a lone freelancer and fully booked. I think SM makes a big difference in my biz. #editorchat

[21:32:20] stephauteri: Q2: My editors haven’t asked me to brand myself, but I have offered to help them move into SM. #editorchat

[21:32:25] ErikSherman: @milehighfool or traffic without a final e. <s> #editorchat

[21:32:33] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast Already do it. See my personal brand as being separate from my book brand. #editorchat

[21:32:34] rachelcw: oh bummer, I keep coming home too late for #editorchat

[21:32:35] anti9to5guide: Q2: I’ve also had people interview me re freelancing who ask me to SM the heck out of the Q&A. #editorchat

[21:32:44] jimmcbee: @stephauteri oh well, no conflict, no dramatic tension. No drama, no story. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:32:45] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman I don’t think that is a hard and fast rule, look at @dooce, blogger got a book deal because of her style #editorchat

[21:32:59] bacigalupe: @LydiaBreakfast well, I should do less SM to get more written πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:33:04] ErikSherman: @milehighfool They may have, but then they’re reacting not to your presence on SM, but to your writing #editorchat

[21:33:13] hotspringer: Welcome, @rachelcw. #editorchat

[21:33:13] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Yep. I mean that, too. But a successful query of mine included that BW reference. #editorchat

[21:33:21] anti9to5guide: @anndouglas That’s interesting re your two brands. Can you elaborate on waht they are? #editorchat

[21:33:27] LydiaBreakfast: @bacigalupe that is the challenge my friend πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:33:32] SpecialDee: @anndouglas Thanks. I ask because some blogs have advertising, so who makes the $, you or your boss? Will check http://www.asja.org #editorchat

[21:33:38] ErikSherman: @milehighfool Actually, not necessarily the bottom line, because it has to be the right kind of traffic. #editorchat

[21:33:43] Willowbottom: @rachelcw My strategy is to just not leave the office. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:33:43] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast And her audience. #editorchat

[21:33:44] Sascha_Zuger: @LydiaBreakfast Penguin had me set up a blog under my pen name & included pseudonym email address on jacket to connect w/readers #editorchat

[21:34:09] Dark_Faust: Q2: Still a lot of journos in the technology trade professions that see most SM as a waste of time. #editorchat

[21:34:33] anndouglas: @Sascha_Zuger There’s always that…. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:34:52] DougLance: What is SM? #editorchat

[21:35:02] bob_bobala: @Dark_Faust Oh yes, they rebel against it. Don’t see the big picture. #editorchat

[21:35:14] jimmcbee: @Dark_Faust Sure can be. I spose if you’re disciplined, you use it to cultivate sources, not goof off. #editorchat

[21:35:15] LydiaBreakfast: @DougLance SM = social media #editorchat

[21:35:24] obilon: @Dark_Faust Really? They see SM as a waste b/c it does nothing to promote them? Or a time suck with no ROI? #editorchat

[21:35:34] jimmcbee: @DougLance SM=social media #editorchat

[21:35:35] milehighfool: Framing the question somewhat differently? Is social media critical to you as a writer? Editor? #editorchat

[21:35:55] bacigalupe: heard this expression in yoga the other day: “gravity surfing”, well, this is how it feels to balance the SM and the writing #editorchat

[21:36:04] ErikSherman: @LydiaBreakfast It’s not hard and fast, but it’s a hurdle. However, having a “platform” and audience is a bigger hurdle. #editorchat

[21:36:18] hinder: Seriously, anyone who thinks SM is a waste of time doesn’t understand their audience. #editorchat

[21:36:25] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Not critical. But can definitely help with book promo. I have yet to see direct payoff for freelance articles/work #editorchat

[21:36:29] anndouglas: Odd. “There’s always that” was meant for @bacigalupe Sorry to confuse u @Sascha_Zuger #editorchat

[21:36:29] jennipps: @milehighfool I’m finding it increasingly important to me as a writer. Eds are finding me via social media, surprisingly (to me) #editorchat

[21:36:37] Dark_Faust: wrt Q2: How about editors that are SM behind corp wall, i.e., still promoting their own brand. Many readers don’t know or care #editorchat

[21:36:41] stephauteri: @milehighfool: As a writer, its been critical to me in building my profile within certain niches. #editorchat

[21:36:54] milehighfool: @Dark_Faust I think it depends on who you’re referring to. I know a lot of tech trade writers who use SM often, and well. #editorchat

[21:37:03] Single_Shot: @jimmcbee I definitely use Twitter to find sources. #editorchat

[21:37:09] JDEbberly: RT @hinder: Seriously, anyone who thinks SM is a waste of time doesn’t understand their audience. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:37:16] stephauteri: @milehighfool: On the less critical but still important level, it’s helped me to build a supportive community around myself. #editorchat

[21:37:17] jimmcbee: @milehighfool It’s becoming more and more helpful for source farming. Have yet to find many publishers or investors, tho. πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[21:37:43] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust Probably because their rightly skeptical about much touted tech – they’ve seen it the morning after. #editorchat

[21:37:51] kristoforlawson: @Dark_Faust – I think most journos are catching on pretty well, but there are a few still confused about it all #editorchat

[21:37:56] Single_Shot: @jimmcbee And, um, there is a fair amount of goofing off, too. #editorchat

[21:38:00] anndouglas: @anti9to5guide Sure. There’s me (Ann Douglas) the writer. There’s THE MOTHER OF ALL the book brand. #editorchat

[21:38:05] rachelcw: @Willowbottom excellent and tragic option! and something I’m regularly guilty of #editorchat

[21:38:12] shortformernie: @milehighfool Social media is an amazing way to let people know that you’re for real and serious about your abilities and craft. #editorchat

[21:38:17] rachelcw: hello all and my apologies for dropping in so late #editorchat

[21:38:25] LydiaBreakfast: SM has completely changed the way I do business, and expanded my reach exponentially. Just look at my twosse. #editorchat

[21:38:27] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide So as a marketing and brand development tool rather than a biz dev tool? #editorchat

[21:38:28] bob_bobala: I actually see a huge payoff on TurboTax. Our content doesn’t answer everybody’s questions, so users can answer each other’s Qs. #editorchat

[21:38:30] Dark_Faust: Does SM really provide ROI? Not for flacks but for editors/writers? Any one have actual data? #editorchat

[21:38:43] DougLance: #editorchat — I think this is the beginning of SM. A group of people fighting for influence leaves everyone powerless. Common goals ispower

[21:38:46] stephauteri: And I second @Single_Shot. It’s a great way to find sources. #editorchat

[21:39:04] shortformernie: @milehighfool And it strokes my ego in a way that I can’t get in my offline life, because I’m otherwise cold and alone. πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[21:39:08] ErikSherman: @anti9to5guide I’ve actually gotten assignments by pointing an editor to a blog entry I did and treating it as a full query. #editorchat

[21:39:15] milehighfool: @jimmcbee “Source farming.” What a great phrase. #editorchat

[21:39:20] KarenLynch: @jennipps They’re finding me, too … but why … why are they following me? Editors? Why do you follow freelancers? #editorchat

[21:39:26] jimmcbee: @Single_Shot LinkedIn has been good for med. policy sources. Not much is good for medical coding sources, though. #editorchat

[21:39:28] anndouglas: Don’t want to be linked exclusively to the brand (do a lot of other things) so I have to brand myself separately. #editorchat

[21:40:01] anti9to5guide: @anndouglas Ah, smart. Your series has a great title! #editorchat

[21:40:07] GirlsSentAway: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @PR_Student describing yourself and your biz concisely as in, the time it takes to ride the elevator #editorchat

[21:40:17] BeckyDMBR: @anndouglas Exactly. @dooce got a book deal for more than *just* her voice. #editorchat

[21:40:19] jennipps: @Dark_Faust No actual data but personal experience, yes. #editorchat

[21:40:20] Dark_Faust: @obilon The later – they see SM as another time sink with limited ROI. They may be right. But to reach new readers, need SM. #editorchat

[21:40:26] anti9to5guide: @ErikSherman Wow, fantastic. A 140-word pitch. At first contact? Or once you’ve already been working w/them? #editorchat

[21:40:28] milehighfool: @Dark_Faust Sure. I got a gig by being on Twitter. I know I’m not the only one. #editorchat

[21:40:31] thebrandbuilder: RT @LydiaBreakfast: “SM has completely changed the way I do business, and expanded my reach exponentially.” #editorchat

[21:40:38] shortformernie: By the way, I’m in the midst of rethinking my SFB format to be even more Twitter-oriented. Because that’s how important SM is. #editorchat

[21:40:45] rachelcw: @ErikSherman but don’t you find some editors don’t want articles that were previously blogged about by you? #editorchat

[21:40:52] stephauteri: Rt @shortformernie: And it strokes my ego in a way that I can’t get in my offline life, b/c I’m otherwise cold & alone. [aahaha] #editorchat

[21:40:52] jennipps: @KarenLynch I’ve wondered that before, too. I know why one is following me, via a RL friend’s recommendation #editorchat

[21:41:09] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust I think it’s still too soon for real ROI calc – you have to see how it works over time and then be able to measure. #editorchat

[21:41:10] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Marketing/branding, source hunting, and community bldg. Though I would like to use for biz dev. Just haven’t yet. #editorchat

[21:41:23] Single_Shot: @milehighfool @jimmcbee Re source farming. There is a fair amount of “weeding out” that has 2 be done sometimes, 2! #editorchat

[21:41:26] anndouglas: That’s one of the reasons I set up a separate Twitter account for @themotherofall – to try to create that separation. #editorchat

[21:41:44] JudySL: I was one of AOL’s community leaders back when “chat” consisted of BBs…I think we’re at the cusp of new usage #editorchat

[21:41:44] rachelcw: I got the best job offer of my career via Twitter and small gigs as well. It was the accessibility factor that sold these people #editorchat

[21:41:47] jimmcbee: @KarenLynch I follow ’em cos maybe they’ll wanna join in with my project, http://smartnewsnc.com #editorchat

[21:41:51] hinder: When I started tweeting for the teen pub, our weekly views doubled immediately, monthly doubled too. So yes, SM works. #editorchat

[21:41:51] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Actually, I lied I got a small speaking gig through Twitter earlier this year. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:41:52] milehighfool: RT @ErikSherman: @anti9to5guide I’ve gotten assignments by pointing an ed. to a blog I did and treating it as a full query. #editorchat

[21:41:53] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: “SM has completely changed the way I do business, and expanded my reach exponentially. #Editorchat

[21:41:54] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: “SM has completely changed the way I do business, and expanded my reach exponentially. #Editorchat

[21:42:04] Dark_Faust: @bob_bobala They are already established editors. SM seems like another time drag from the publisher. #editorchat

[21:42:18] kristoforlawson: how important will twitter be in the future… we have already seen how @aplusk can use it #editorchat

[21:42:23] Willowbottom: @Dark_Faust Regarding limited ROI, I suppose the question is: can they afford to be wrong? Worst that happens is you waste time. #editorchat

[21:42:30] milehighfool: @Single_Shot Yep. Wheat, meet chaff. #editorchat

[21:42:40] jennipps: @ErikSherman How do/can you measure ROI, though? THat’s eomthing I’ve never really understood. It’s not really quantifiable. #editorchat

[21:42:42] Single_Shot: @jimmcbee I use different places 4 different sources. Twitter is great 4 “real people” sources. HARO is good 4 pros & real peeps #editorchat

[21:42:49] Sascha_Zuger: @milehighfool Joining Twitter has been incredible boost, in my experience. #editorchat

[21:42:56] jimmcbee: Cold & alone? Now Ernie’s trespassin’ on MY brand. #editorchat

[21:42:57] anndouglas: @SpecialDee I’m paid to blog @torontostar + @yahoocanada (freelance; not an employee). Have my own blogs (profile link). #editorchat

[21:42:59] Dark_Faust: I think SM is key to engaging the future audience. It’s messy and loopsided, but is necessary. #editorchat

[21:42:59] UrbanMuseWriter: Yes, all of these are great uses RT @anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Marketing/branding, source hunting, and community bldg. #editorchat

[21:43:10] obilon: @Dark_Faust You engage readers better in SM than any other way. Q&A, updates, teasers, crowd sourcing, feedback – Immediately! #editorchat

[21:43:13] rachelcw: @Dark_Faust I think we’re all reestablishing ourselves via new mediums and expanded social networking opportunities #editorchat

[21:43:32] anti9to5guide: @Single_Shot I get sources through Facebook a lot. LinkedIn Questions too. #editorchat

[21:43:41] bob_bobala: @Dark_Faust Right, just more work! Well, I know tech editors that are completely afraid of SM. Think it undermines them. #editorchat

[21:43:48] dianavilibert: Hello #editorchat! @MarieClaire Mag associate web editor here (fashionably late?) coming out of hiding & stopping by for a bit! #editorchat

[21:43:49] JenniferPerillo: @rachelcw Agree about article prev blogged about. I used to hold onto ideas for that very reason. #editorchat

[21:43:50] jimmcbee: @Single_Shot not familiar with HARO. #editorchat

[21:43:56] JudySL: the only prob with twitter is that it’s hard to really pinpoint and target when you’re source hunting, don’tcha think? #editorchat

[21:44:00] obilon: @Single_Shot Agreed. Different SM venues for different types of sources and info gathering. Good way to think about it. #editorchat

[21:44:04] garylwest: On my work Twitter account we now have 600 followers in a few months. Took 2 years to get to 200 e-letter subscribers. #editorchat

[21:44:14] milehighfool: RT @anti9to5guide: @Single_Shot I get sources through Facebook a lot. LinkedIn Questions too. #editorchat

[21:44:15] BeckyDMBR: @Single_Shot Ever been in a newsroom? Goofing off is sometimes required. [grin] #editorchat

[21:44:27] Dark_Faust: @Willowbottom Risk analysis – good approach. I agree with you. But most editors w/ traditional pubs are just plain worn out. #editorchat

[21:44:31] LydiaBreakfast: @Willowbottom the rule of thumb for new ventures is fail fast. On Twitter, you’ll see in a skinny minute how fast it works #editorchat

[21:44:32] Sascha_Zuger: @dianavilibert Hi, Diana! #editorchat

[21:44:37] anndouglas: @ErikSherman What an efficient way to pitch an editor. Great tip! #editorchat

[21:44:52] rachelcw: @JenniferPerillo though I think that if presented more as a teaser with the opportunity for a full fledged feature it might work #editorchat

[21:44:55] jennipps: @jimmcbee I’ve found great sources through #HARO – http://www.helpareporter.com – run/founded by @skydiver #editorchat

[21:44:57] BeckyDMBR: @rachelcw Hey! No need to apologize. Pull up a chair. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:44:58] ErikSherman: @Willowbottom That’s one reason I’m trying out twitter – don’t expect a fast payback and the cost is low. It’s worth the try. #editorchat

[21:45:11] milehighfool: @JudySL Yes, but hashtags improve the process. HARO (Help a Reporter Out) by @skydiver is an excellent tool. #editorchat

[21:45:16] merylkevans: @jimmcbee HARO = helpareporter.com by @skydiver. I get a lot of help when I am short on sources from that awesome list. #editorchat

[21:45:24] standupkid: Twitter is a fast source and quote finding machine like nothing I’ve ever experienced. #editorchat

[21:45:28] Dark_Faust: @rachelcw Agree. I think we all have to try. We have to be engaged or we’ll miss the crucial wave. #editorchat

[21:45:28] Willowbottom: @Dark_Faust and that’s the rotten part-understand being worn out, chasing red herrings, but may be time to reevaluate self then. #editorchat

[21:45:31] rachelcw: thanks @beckydmbr & @hotspringer πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:45:39] ErikSherman: @jennipps Depends completely on your business model. No general answer. #editorchat

[21:45:52] Single_Shot: @milehighfool Some of the chaff’s been chafing as of late. ; ) #editorchat

[21:45:53] jimmcbee: @JudySL yeah, it’s a bit of a crapshoot. When you have enough followers interested in your topic area, it’s not so bad. #editorchat

[21:46:12] LydiaBreakfast: @dianavilibert Hi Diana, so glad you joined #editorchat

[21:46:30] wordful: Did we get to Q3 yet? #editorchat

[21:46:30] Zoeyjane: I’m totally eavesdropping on #editorchat. Is it considered that, in the twitterverse?

[21:46:55] obilon: @milehighfool HARO (Help a Reporter Out) by @skydiver is an excellent tool. (Agreed!) #editorchat

[21:47:05] milehighfool: @dianavilibert Glad you could make it, Diana. Are you asking writers to use social media? How do you use it as an editor? #editorchat

[21:47:09] Dark_Faust: @ErikSherman Regarding hard ROI. I know that SM works for me, but whether it’s cost effective use of my time…don’t know. #editorchat

[21:47:10] JudySL: RT merylkevans @jimmcbee HARO = helpareporter.com by @skydiver. That and Profnet -great for experts! judy #editorchat

[21:47:17] Willowbottom: One thing I would say about Twitter is that it’s helped to vastly increase my repertoire of acronyms. 140 chars’ll do that to ya #editorchat

[21:47:17] LydiaBreakfast: Q3 Editors are you taking steps to create communities that will appeal to different demographics beyond your current readership? #editorchat

[21:47:27] hotspringer: Ditto on HARO. Led to follow-ups on Twitter. Story picked up by USAToday.com and WSJ.com. #editorchat

[21:47:30] Single_Shot: @jimmcbee HARO = Help a Reporter Out. Huge listserv of PR folks etc. where you can post for sources. It’s at helpareporter.com #editorchat

[21:47:36] ErikSherman: @garylwest But you can’t just count numbers. For example, if you have 100 followers and tweet a link, maybe get 3 or 4 clicks. #editorchat

[21:48:01] ErikSherman: @garylwest People opting into an e-letter are investing more time and commitment. #editorchat

[21:48:08] JudySL: @milehighfool hashtags help but still it’s hard to LOCALIZE things…queries go out all over the world… #editorchat

[21:48:10] jennipps: I got a LOT more info/replies than I needed for my last query on HARO. Might be able to use some for future articles. #editorchat

[21:48:22] Dark_Faust: @kristoforlawson Confused or just tired of their publisher’s asking them to try every new things that comes along. #editorchat

[21:48:40] GirlsSentAway: RT @UrbanMuseWriter: 1st person is easy, but it’s harder to make the reader feel like they’re there (w/out using “you”) #editorchat

[21:48:41] stephauteri: @jimmcbee: I second (third? fifth?) the HARO recommendation. That list is a lifesaver. #editorchat

[21:48:45] jimmcbee: thanks to everyone re: HARO. Will take it for a spin soon. #editorchat

[21:49:00] BeckyDMBR: @jimmcbee Look it up (HARO). It’s a great resource. @skydiver #editorchat

[21:49:15] CathyWebSavvyPR: RT @merylkevans HARO = helpareporter.com by @skydiver. I get a lot of help when I am short on sources from that awesome list. #editorchat

[21:49:28] rondoylewrites: Did I miss the outro? #editorchat

[21:49:41] anti9to5guide: @JudySL Haven’t had trouble connecting w/ the right sources on twitter based on query. If anything, I get extras 4 later pieces #editorchat

[21:49:58] jennipps: I think Tweetchat just quit working. #editorchat

[21:50:08] Dark_Faust: @milehighfool Yes – I know twitter works. Has allowed me to scoop an important story. It’s just that everything takes time. #editorchat

[21:50:12] CathyWebSavvyPR: @kikarose Helo, have you checked out #editorchat? it is Wednesday night 9-11? I think – you might get ideas 4 your writing.

[21:50:13] PR_Student: @anndouglas Do you think that would work? Just a link to a blog or SMR? #editorchat

[21:50:16] Single_Shot: @BeckyDMBR Love being in newsroom & miss it dreadfully. May have to invite some reporters over to hang in my kitchen office. #editorchat

[21:50:32] wordful: testing…not seeing updates on tweetchat #editorchat

[21:50:43] mariaelenaduron: I agree. HARO is the best! + if U follow @skydiver U’ll get updates of the most urgent stories of the day/moment #editorchat

[21:50:52] Willowbottom: The little ones don’t #editorchat and they’re home now – catch you all later. Thanks for the convo! #editorchat

[21:50:56] SpecialDee: If you’re using TweetDeck, do a search for #editorchat which creates a column just for tweets on that topic.

[21:50:58] garylwest: So did TweetChat crash, ore everyone just get quiet? #editorchat

[21:51:05] jimmcbee: Twitter seems to be choking, again. #editorchat

[21:51:13] Dark_Faust: @bob_bobala That’s not good. Why would it undermine them? Lots of tech folks use twitter. That’s why I’ve found it useful. #editorchat

[21:51:14] JDEbberly: RT @Sascha_Zuger: @milehighfool Joining Twitter has been incredible boost, in my experience. #editorchat #Editorchat

[21:51:31] shortformernie: You guys still here? TweetChat got awful quiet. #editorchat

[21:51:33] dianavilibert: @milehighfool: Yes! We’re all about SM at @marieclaire mag, especially Twitter since we got on it in January. #editorchat #editorchat

[21:51:51] RBLevin: @garylwest Have you analyzed those followers? Many might be worthless. #editorchat

[21:52:44] Dark_Faust: But where does it end? In addition to Twitter, does everyone maintain sites on Facebook, LinkedIn, Plaxo, Ning, blog, etc … #editorchat

[21:52:53] TKFwriter: @anndouglas Hi Ann I’m confused. where’s your chat? Nothing happening at #editorchat I can see

[21:52:56] jennipps: Switched to TweetGrid. We’ll see if that works. #editorchat

[21:53:15] jennipps: @Zoeyjane Eavesdrop away & join in if you want. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:54:40] Hergett: Feeling like I’m missing out on #editorchat, but the news can’t wait. 😦

[21:55:09] anndouglas: @Zoeyjane I think once you declare your presence, you’re no longer eavesdropping. (Thinking of kid crouched at top of stairs.) #editorchat

[21:55:31] shortformernie: Alright all, I’m leaving for now. Need to update the blog. Ernie @shortformblog (http://shortformblog.com/) Fun as always. #editorchat

[21:55:32] LydiaBreakfast: @rondoylewrites five more min #editorchat

[21:55:40] sooutdoors: I have to scoot. Good chat as always. Drop by for some great Outdoors info & blogs http://www.sooutdoors.ca #editorchat

[21:55:44] ErikSherman: @JudySL To localize, you need to move into web searches, or indicate location in HARO/Profnet. #editorchat

[21:55:57] rachelcw: With many things-even traditional advertising it’s not as quantifiable as one might imagine,but results build over time-here too #editorchat

[21:56:03] obilon: @jennipps Mine did to for a bit. #editorchat

[21:56:06] merylkevans: @jennipps It did. Just reload it. Worked for me. #editorchat

[21:56:14] milehighfool: @rondoylewrites Not yet, Ron. We’re going to 10:10 b/c Twitter crashed for a few mins. #editorchat

[21:56:19] Single_Shot: @jimmcbee HARO’s worked really well 4 me. BUT you’ll often get inundated (& some sources reply to EVERY call, I swear). #editorchat

[21:56:20] jennipps: @wordful Switch to TweetGrid. It’s working for me. Seems like Tweetchat quit. #editorchat

[21:56:31] milehighfool: @Willowbottom Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[21:56:39] garylwest: @ErikSherman I understand your point, but we also see Twitter as now on of the top 10-15 refering domains to our site. #editorchat

[21:56:44] wordful: @garylwest not sure I got that lapse too #editorchat

[21:56:53] mariaelenaduron: @jennipps I think UR right. I just switched to tweetgrid b/c tweetchat was standing STILL. #editorchat

[21:57:07] anndouglas: Twitter saved my life last week when I needed to interview some Dads in a hurry – and all my usual Dads went AWOL. #editorchat

[21:57:09] CouplaJerks: @Dark_Faust We say pick one or two to focus on. We like linkedIn for business development and twitter for meeting new people #editorchat

[21:57:25] milehighfool: @Dark_Faust No doubt. Twitter is a regular r part of my task list. #editorchat

[21:57:34] jimmcbee: former editor @garylwest meet former employee @shortformernie #editorchat

[21:57:35] bob_bobala: @Dark_Faust Personally, I think they fear for their jobs, especially if the content out there is better than theirs. #editorchat

[21:57:44] garylwest: @RBLevin We are an ag publication. A lot are connected to ag industry or ag media. #editorchat

[21:57:50] anndouglas: I asked for help and had more than enough people to interview in less than an hour. I was so grateful & relieved. #editorchat

[21:57:51] LydiaBreakfast: Time to get ready for the out-tro folks. Let’s start wrapping up. Any more pearls about online identities? #editorchat

[21:58:02] Single_Shot: @Willowbottom Nice chatting w/another anti-pigeonholer. ; ) #editorchat

[21:58:40] milehighfool: @shortformernie It crashed for a few, Ernie. We’re taking an extra 10 min. to compensate. Intros begin at 10:05 tweeps. #editorchat

[21:58:41] bob_bobala: @jimmcbee Yeah, big twitter gag reflex. I think we’re in trouble. #editorchat

[21:58:44] jennipps: Thanks for the recs to reload Tweetchat. I did & still didn’t work, so I switched to TweetGrid. #editorchat

[21:58:50] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust You have to pick a few, I think – look for biggest ones in your areas of focus. #editorchat

[21:59:17] stephauteri: @Dark_Faust: I can’t keep up with those who are on every sm site out there. I can barely manage to maintain my blog & my Twitter #editorchat

[21:59:26] Single_Shot: I think Tweetchat just ran to the loo. #editorchat

[21:59:28] milehighfool: @TKFwriter Twitter was experiencing some problems but we’re back now, talkiing wriitng, brands and social media. #editorchat

[21:59:30] jennipps: @TKFwriter Try another client like Tweetgrid or Twitterfall or the like. #editorchat

[21:59:39] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust One ROI calc: look at how much time you save using SM and multiple it by billable rate. #editorchat

[21:59:49] bacigalupe: Q3 it really depends on what is the audience/niche, for some is the world, for others is pieces of it, diff. strategies in twtr #editorchat

[21:59:50] Dark_Faust: @Willowbottom #editorchat I think so. For me, I try all the SMs. Can’t top real experience to figure out where things are going.

[22:00:08] rachelcw: @Dark_Faust like so many other things balance is crucial. Exploration, integration, business model, goals and new developments #editorchat

[22:00:15] milehighfool: @Hergett There’s always next week πŸ™‚ I’ll be following you to the news desk shortly. #editorchat

[22:00:21] ErikSherman: @GaryLWest It may work well for you – still, there are customers and there are customers. I’m taking a direct marketing view. #editorchat

[22:00:24] RBLevin: @GaryLWest I’m sure. But a lot might well be noise. The raw numbers don’t tell the story. #editorchat

[22:01:10] RBLevin: @GaryLWest If you’re policing your followers, then the 600 you have are golden. #editorchat

[22:01:10] GirlsSentAway: RT @ErikSherman: @anti9to5guide I’ve gotten assignments by pointing an ed. to a blog I did and treating it as a full query. #editorchat

[22:01:12] LydiaBreakfast: wrapping in ten tweeps. Any more pearls about online identities? #editorchat

[22:01:25] JDEbberly: TweetGrid works like a Champ during chats πŸ™‚ http://tweetgrid.com #Editorchat

[22:01:29] Sascha_Zuger: @Dark_Faust I’m only on Twitter, will start blog on publisher’s site soon. #editorchat

[22:01:35] hinder: Hmm… Never used HARO before, but now I’m interested… #editorchat

[22:01:42] bob_bobala: Gotta run. Thanks, gang. Bob Bobala, among many other things, a fiction writer. Can read stuff here: exitstrategypress.com #editorchat

[22:01:43] ErikSherman: @rachelcw True enough. But I find that often you can get some quantification. #editorchat

[22:01:53] GirlsSentAway: RT @stephauteri: @milehighfool: As a writer, its been critical to me in building my profile within certain niches. #editorchat

[22:01:54] jimmcbee: Time for tacos! Have enjoyed the chat, folks. Take care and check out Smartnews when ya get a chance. #editorchat

[22:01:54] merylkevans: #editorchat

[22:01:57] milehighfool: @anndouglas I think the trick is timing and type. Finding Mac users to comment via Twitter is easy. CIOs? Not so much. #editorchat

[22:01:57] jennipps: @CouplaJerks Agreed. I do have IDs on Facebook & MySpace, too, but those are largely for friends/family. #editorchat

[22:01:59] RBLevin: @GaryLWest But if you don’t check each and every one as they sign up, the numbers can mislead you. #editorchat

[22:02:40] obilon: I find Twitter to be good for broad, general appeal questions. Once I get specific I need HARO, profnet or possibly LinkedIn. #editorchat

[22:03:04] dianavilibert: @Dark_Faust: You can’t possibly use everything to its potential–at @marieclaire, we’re most present on Twitter, FB, and MySpace #editorchat

[22:03:31] AbsoluteWrite: Forgot hashtag. . Social networking, marketing, branding, social media, and reputation are all entwined, they’re not synonyms #editorchat

[22:03:38] DaydreamWriter: How do you manage all of your work? #editorchat

[22:03:44] SpecialDee: For an idea on all the SM sites out there and whether or not your username is already taken, visit http://bit.ly/12prW #editorchat

[22:03:45] Single_Shot: @LydiaBreakfast @mariaschneider has some great tips on tweeting authors/creating persona on her website Editorunleashed.com/ #editorchat

[22:04:09] milehighfool: Killjoy warning: seven minutes left. Re-introduce yourself and post a link if you’d like. #editorchat

[22:04:21] ErikSherman: @garylwest I could see SM being big in agriculture – lots of people working in isolated way. #editorchat

[22:04:25] KarenLynch: @LydiaBreakfast Thank you so much. What a great way to use Twitter. Have a good night. #editorchat

[22:04:26] PR_Student: Intros? #editorchat

[22:04:53] rachelcw: well, not sure if anyone is going to be at ASJA on Friday, but we’re going to be discussing this on my panel on Friday morning #editorchat

[22:04:56] milehighfool: RT @ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust One ROI calc: look at how much time you save using SM and multiply by billable rate. #editorchat

[22:05:05] JenniferPerillo: My tweetgrid seems to be grumpy tnight. Thanks for a great #editorchat again. Jennifer http://www.InJenniesKitchen.com

[22:05:14] mariaelenaduron: Yes, I agree it’s all about balance w/SM – it expands the field. #editorchat

[22:05:21] anndouglas: @PR_Student I didn’t quite understand your question — probably because I’m scrolling all over trying to keep up. DM me, ok? #editorchat

[22:06:29] anndouglas: @jimmcbee It is definitely having a v-e-r-y t-o-u-g-h t-i-m-e. #editorchat

[22:06:58] Dark_Faust: @Sascha_Zuger Blog on publishers site? Book or magazine pub? R U freelancer or staff? Curious who pays for blog #editorchat

[22:07:56] obilon: @milehighfool Agreed. Broad queries work well o Twitter. High level or specific ones, not so much. #editorchat

[22:08:13] jennipps: Jen, fl writer in south OK, contributor @ WritingforDollars.com & TutorialBlog.org. Now also @ 4HEALTH mag (as of today). #editorchat

[22:08:22] Sascha_Zuger: Night, all — nice chat, Lydia and Tim! #editorchat

[22:08:28] SpecialDee: LinkedIn has good discussions, not in real time. FriendFeed has good discussions, real time. #editorchat

[22:08:38] garylwest: @RBLevin I know more about the people following us on Twitter than our e-mail subscribers. And I’ve got follower from #agchat #editorchat

[22:08:39] Single_Shot: Thanx 4 another great chat folks! Diane Mapes, Seattle freelance journalist http://singleshotseattle.wordpress.com/ #editorchat

[22:08:47] Dark_Faust: @rachelcw Well, yes, I agree. But what are you on? I do FB, Twitter, linkedin, Ning, several blogs + write full time. #editorchat

[22:08:57] mariaelenaduron: RT @AbsoluteWrite Social networking, marketing, branding, social media, and reputation are all entwined, they’re not synonyms #editorchat

[22:09:15] anndouglas: @jennipps IFacebook for family/friends/close acquaintances. LinkedIn: Business. Twitter: Learning, connecting w/amazing ppl. #editorchat

[22:09:21] CassieTuttle: @milehighfool Darn! I missed the #editorchat again.

[22:09:25] LydiaBreakfast: Thanks to all for coming tonight, hiccups and all, we had a great time chatting with you! #editorchat

[22:09:43] PDXsays: took a phone call and completely missed #editorchat. will go thru the transcripts for the tasty info

[22:09:54] Dark_Faust: @ErikSherman How much time us save using SM? Save from what? Lost me #editorchat

[22:10:02] stephauteri: is ready to get into her pjs. Thanks for the chat! Writes about: Sex, relationships, & the freelance lifestyle. stephauteri.com #editorchat

[22:10:06] milehighfool: Time to close up shop. Continue as long as you’d like but, officially, we’re done for the week. Great chat, everyone. #editorchat

[22:10:17] anti9to5guide: Thx for great chat as usual. Michelle Goodman, writing about careers, freelancing, balance, pop culture: http://www.anti9to5guide.com #editorchat

[22:10:20] JDEbberly: For all the latest about PR/Blogging/Mktg/SEO/Writing/Tech/NewMedia —> @JDEbberly will keep you updated 7days/wk!! #Editorchat

[22:10:39] anndouglas: @JenniferPerillo I visited your blog quite a few times this week and was really inspired by the things you were cooking up. #editorchat

[22:10:40] SpecialDee: I blog at http://specialdee.wordpress.com about SM, newspapers, and subjects in that realm. #editorchat

[22:10:56] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust To figure an ROI on SM, one way is to look at where it saves you time, then calculate the dollar savings. #editorchat

[22:11:11] mariaelenaduron: @milehighfool I like twitanalyzer 4 all diff. aspects it looks at, then Favotter + retweetrank 4 measuring quality on twitter #editorchat

[22:11:19] Dark_Faust: @stephauteri Yes, exactly, so that’s the issue. Or the opportunity. All these things will be consolidated. But for now.. #editorchat

[22:11:26] Sascha_Zuger: @Dark_Faust HarperStudio has set up a blog for each of its authors on the website. I freelance mags/papers and write books. #editorchat

[22:11:26] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust When you know how much time you save, you know how much money you save at your billable rates. #editorchat

[22:11:32] obilon: Either Twitter or Tweetchat or both are SLOW… Good night. http://lonscohen.com #editorchat

[22:11:45] ErikSherman: @Dark_Faust This doesn’t work for all benefits of SM, but will for many. #editorchat

[22:11:59] rachelcw: @Dark_Faust I explore all options, introduce myself and then engage most on the few that I feel works for me at any given time #editorchat

[22:12:26] jennipps: It’s been a great chat, everyone. #editorchat

[22:12:34] AbsoluteWrite: Thanks, everyone. Was interesting! #editorchat

[22:12:55] JDEbberly: Thank you for an excellent Editorchat, @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast ! I LOVE Editorchat! πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[22:13:02] anndouglas: See you next time, everyone. Thanks for everything, @LydiaBreakfast + @milehighfool #editorchat

[22:13:08] BeckyDMBR: These chats are great … thanks so much for another great one! #editorchat

[22:13:36] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Thanks! #editorchat

[22:13:46] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Thank you! #editorchat

[22:13:59] rachelcw: I freelance, am a marketer, do a lot of speaking lately, have written some books http://www.rachelweingartenbooks.com working on more #editorchat

[22:14:05] ErikSherman: Woops – make that freelance journalist, author, chief cook, bottlewasher – http://bit.ly/3CABa #editorchat

[22:14:13] jennipps: Might not be able to make it next week. Leaving for a conference next Thursday morning. #editorchat

[22:14:26] UrbanMuseWriter: Thanks @milehighfool & @LydiaBreakfast for #editorchat

[22:14:40] unearthingasia: #editorchat I blog at http://unearthingasia.com about Singapore, Jakarta, Hong Kong, Phillipines and… countries in the region of Asia πŸ˜‰

[22:14:46] anndouglas: @TKFwriter Sorry I didn’t see this until now. You follow #editorchat by searching for the term on TweetDeck or another piece of software.

[22:14:58] rachelcw: goodnight all. even though I was late to this party I’m always grateful for what I learn here! @Dark_Faust we can continue on DM #editorchat

[22:15:31] jennipps: Thanks @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for great hosting, cat-herding, & trying to keep us on track. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:15:48] Dark_Faust: #editorchat Crazy business, isn’t it? Snippets of conversations that tease without really satisfying. Well, until next week … ciao.

[22:16:28] JDEbberly: @jennipps Wish you the very best on that conference, Jen! Have a fabulous evening! πŸ™‚ #Editorchat

[22:17:07] JDEbberly: RT @Dark_Faust: #editorchat Crazy business, isn’t it? Snippets of conversations that tease without really satisfying. Well, until next …

[22:21:15] anti9to5guide: @ogiovetti Yes, that’s exactly what it means. πŸ˜‰ No, social media (SM). Sorry, was in #editorchat for a little while. Check it out next Wed.

[22:25:34] lorilowe: @hinder: HARO is very helpful. I’ve found multiple sources for my book. Great tool. http://www.haro.com. #editorchat

[22:26:47] JenniferPerillo: @anndouglas Thanks. It’s always good to hear people like what I’m doing. #editorchat

[22:27:03] JDEbberly: RT @jennipps: Thanks @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for great hosting, cat-herding, & trying to keep us on track. πŸ™‚ #editorchat #Edito …

[22:27:42] shortformernie: Hey, too bad that Twitter ruined #editorchat for the evening. Still fun though as always. #editorchat

[22:27:51] papertyger: i missed #editorchat because i was busy screaming myself hoarse at a Rangers game. typical.

[22:27:56] rondoylewrites: Thanks to @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast. I left TweetDeck running during dinner and returned to great questions and answers! #editorchat

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April 28, 2009 at 2:17 pm

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[20:30:11] milehighfool: And we’re live. Please introduce yourself when you join. #editorchat

[20:30:25] joecortez: @LydiaBreakfast I think I’ll be in good company then! πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[20:30:41] LydiaBreakfast: @wordful hey there, what time is it in your neck of the woods/ocean πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:30:56] JDEbberly: @BeckyDMBR Editorchat’ll be starting in under a minute, Becky! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:31:23] LydiaBreakfast: An official welcome from your co-moderator Lydia Dishman, freelance business journalist, also covering travel, food and style #editorchat

[20:31:30] wordful: Charles here of wordful.com in Kamuela, Hawaii. Aloha! @LydiaBreakfast it’s 2:30 pm. #editorchat

[20:32:15] joecortez: Hi Everyone! I’m a journalist turned freelance writer looking to learn about this crazy business from other great freelancers! #editorchat

[20:32:20] JDEbberly: Hello all! I’m JD Ebberly from North VA. I write pieces about blogging and New Media #editorchat

[20:32:21] milehighfool: Let’s get to the rules. No 1. Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:32:39] jennipps: Hi, everyone! Jen, fl writer in south Oklahoma, specializing in writing/creativity, plus-size issues, & (soon) health. #editorchat

[20:32:56] jennipps: Missed everyone last week! #editorchat

[20:33:09] milehighfool: And your other co-moderator, Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor now also blogging at Quicken.com #editorchat

[20:33:43] milehighfool: Rule No. 2. Stay on topic #editorchat

[20:34:10] wordful: I have an interest in niche content publishing and blogging. I’ve been an editor for 11 years, offline and online. #editorchat

[20:34:33] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. MaÒ€ℒam.) #editorchat

[20:34:34] SuziSteffen: Yes! Home & organized enough to participate in #editorchat! Off to Tweetchat. If you don’t want to read these posts, use TwitterSnooze.com.

[20:34:40] JDEbberly: Tim Beyers ( @milehighfool ) now blogging at http://quicken.com #editorchat

[20:34:54] RBLevin: @milehighfool Hey congrats on the Quicken gig. When did that start? #editorchat

[20:35:09] mariaelenaduron: Hi all! Maria here…editor, columnist, blogger and work with both online + offline pubs. #editorchat

[20:35:13] littlebrownpen: Hi everyone. I’m Nichole Robertson, freelance writer and Copy Director for a European skin care brand #editorchat

[20:35:14] Colgo: Dropping in on #editorchat … hi everyone – Paul here, an online editor in Sydney

[20:35:17] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen Yay, glad you could make it! #editorchat

[20:35:24] KBordessa: Hi. Kris Bordessa, travel and parenting freelancer for national magazines. Trying to keep up & cook dinner @ same time. #editorchat

[20:35:39] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:35:43] LydiaBreakfast: @Colgo Hey Paul, many thanks for joining #editorchat

[20:35:54] sooutdoors: Good evening all, Lloyd here from Southern Ontario OUtdoors. Writer and Past President of Outdoor Writers of Canada #editorchat

[20:35:59] mhertz: Hey everyone. Freelance writer/editor/copy editor in San Francisco Bay Area, working in a variety of industries. #editorchat

[20:36:02] milehighfool: @RBLevin Hey Rich. Started today. I’ll post a link later. #editorchat

[20:36:02] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Hey Nichole, we missed you last time #editorchat

[20:36:19] jesshatchigan: H’lo, all – Jess, writer based in Ann Arbor, MI. #editorchat

[20:36:21] LydiaBreakfast: @KBordessa Thanks for joining, cook us some too pls πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:36:38] jennipps: @milehighfool woohoo!! COngrats! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:36:44] LydiaBreakfast: @mhertz welcome πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:36:45] travelinggal: Hello, hello. Apryl Thomas, freelance writer/travel blogger in northeast Georgia. Just trying to keep it all together. #editorchat

[20:36:52] LydiaBreakfast: @jesshatchigan Hey Jess, thanks for coming πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:36:53] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen Welcome back, Nichole. In Paris today, or New York? #editorchat

[20:37:06] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Lloyd, always a pleasure πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:37:07] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast I missed editorchat when I was in NYC two weeks ago. I shook from the withdraw. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:37:14] mhertz: And, sorry, my name is Marc Hertz. #editorchat

[20:37:24] LydiaBreakfast: @travelinggal Hello Apryl, welcome πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:37:29] milehighfool: @travelinggal Hello Apryl. Glad you could join us. #editorchat

[20:37:34] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool LOL. In PA at the moment. Will be in Paris again in June. Tough life I have, huh? #editorchat

[20:37:40] jennipps: @travelinggal Sometimes trying to keep it all together is like two full-time jobs in one. #editorchat

[20:37:45] carlazanoni: Hi there. I’m a bilingual freelance journalist living in New York City. #editorchat

[20:37:55] milehighfool: @jennipps Thanks, Jen. It’s a nice win for me. #editorchat

[20:38:03] jg_rat: John Grey, editor of couriermail,.com.au #editorchat

[20:38:04] travelinggal: @littlebrownpen lucky you #editorchat

[20:38:06] LydiaBreakfast: Sorry if I missed personally greeting anyone #editorchat

[20:38:06] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:10] SuziSteffen: Hey all. Suzi here, arts & special sections editor for Eugene, Ore alt-weekly, freelancer & j-school adjunct. #editorchat

[20:38:24] jennipps: @littlebrownpen Can I hide away in your suitcase and go too? I went to Paris in 1998 and would *love* to go back! #editorchat

[20:38:27] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen Seriously πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:38:34] travelinggal: @jennipps it doesn’t help that I was gone last week to a conference. My brain has been mushy all this week. #editorchat

[20:38:40] kwagg: sorry joining late … Kristen editor at small community paper in KC area #editorchat

[20:38:53] mhertz: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for the welcome! #editorchat

[20:39:08] littlebrownpen: @jennipps Sure. I travel very light, so you’d fit right in. #editorchat

[20:39:13] LydiaBreakfast: @kwagg not late, we are just getting started, welcome #editorchat

[20:39:34] milehighfool: Welcome everyone. Should be a great chat tonight. Seems like the new time works well? #editorchat

[20:39:42] KBordessa: @travelinggal I’d take conference fuzz to flu fuzz any day! Blech #editorchat

[20:39:48] jennipps: @travelinggal I don’t have that excuse. My brain was just mushy in general last week. *s* #editorchat

[20:39:53] kwagg: @LydiaBreakfast thanks, first time joining in, actually. #editorchat

[20:40:02] jennipps: @littlebrownpen Oooohhh, tempting. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:40:21] travelinggal: @KBordessa bless your heart! Are you feeling any better? #editorchat

[20:40:37] JDEbberly: @KBordessa Yeah KB, I know all about that flu fuzz. This strain makes you all weak. Ugh. #editorchat

[20:40:38] LydiaBreakfast: Ok tweeps we are going to jump in to the questions, please refer to the Q# so we all know what you are referring to #editorchat

[20:40:56] jennipps: @milehighfool Great for me! I’d been kind of scrambling to make 7:00. Tonight was impossible and I thought I was super late. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:41:07] Sirjohn_writer: #editorchat new to this chat, but write international articles. It is good to meet everyone for the first time.

[20:41:16] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Please refer to the Q# so we all know what you are referring to #editorchat

[20:41:25] KBordessa: @travelinggal Oh, you southern girl! πŸ˜‰ Yes, on the mend, catching up. #editorchat

[20:41:31] travelinggal: @Sirjohn_writer welcome #editorchat

[20:41:35] wordful: @milehighfool I like the old time better. #editorchat

[20:41:40] LydiaBreakfast: Q 1 Innovation is often good, + may help save the publishing industry from itself. But is all innovation good, or necessary? #editorchat

[20:41:51] milehighfool: @Sirjohn_writer Glad you could make it, sir. Welcome. #editorchat

[20:41:53] JDEbberly: @Sirjohn_writer Welcome to Editorchat, SirJohn! You are definitely welcome here! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:42:00] jg_rat: Currently wrestling with legal issues – a harsh suppression order in another AU state is causing us grief (and fear of contempt) #editorchat

[20:42:03] jennipps: RT @LydiaBreakfast Please refer to the Q# so we all know what you are referring to. #editorchat

[20:42:17] travelinggal: @KBordessa It is that obvious? Next, I’ll be showing up on your doorstep with homemade chicken soup. #editorchat

[20:42:36] LydiaBreakfast: @jg_rat legal issues over innovation, or something else? #editorchat

[20:42:42] kwagg: Q1 innovation is good, but still using the basics is necessary. writing skills, understanding of news, etc. #editorchat

[20:42:52] jennipps: Q1 – If you strive for innovation just for the sake of innovation, you’re doing it for the wrong reasons. #editorchat

[20:43:35] milehighfool: @kwagg Agreed. But what about format innovations. Example: Should we be writing for the super-small screen? (iPhone, etc.) #editorchat

[20:43:48] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Good point. Innovation for innovation sake, not the point. #editorchat

[20:43:48] jennipps: Q1 – and innovation for the sake of innovation is not good and can complicate/break what worked beforehand. #editorchat

[20:43:51] jg_rat: @LydiaBreakfast Supreme Court has made wide suppression order that makes 100s of archived online stories dangerous #editorchat

[20:43:53] sooutdoors: Q1 I wouldn’t necessarily sat innovation itself is necessarily always good but it is necessary. Stagnate and die. #editorchat

[20:43:56] gmarkham: Hi. Mark Hamilton, journalism instructor and former editor. #editorchat

[20:43:57] a2editor: Hello, editorchat. Looking forward to the conversation on innovation tonight. #editorchat

[20:44:02] SuziSteffen: Q1 I think the editorial meeting in East Bay Express’ “Saving Newspapers” video says a lot abt innovation: http://is.gd/qlfZ #editorchat

[20:44:15] JDEbberly: Q1 Innovations for the small iPhone screen are in order #editorchat

[20:44:15] wordful: There’s nothing uncommon about evolving technology, but writers/editors/publishers still need to focus on content and audience. #editorchat

[20:44:16] mariaelenaduron: Q1: Some innovation gets in the way+can even make UR pub cloudy + difficult 2 read. I agree w/@jennipps, must fulfill real need. #editorchat

[20:44:19] LydiaBreakfast: @a2editor Hey there, we missed you πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:44:29] jennipps: @milehighfool I think there are/will be people who can write for super small screen, but I doubt I’m among them. *s* #editorchat

[20:44:30] jg_rat: Q1 It’s all about storytelling, isn’t it? #editorchat

[20:44:52] milehighfool: Mark, Laura, glad you could make it. Your take on publishing innovation? How necessary is it? #editorchat

[20:44:56] kwagg: @milehighfool IMO keeping that in mind is important but you can’t forget the basics in the process diminshs product otherwise #editorchat

[20:45:02] SuziSteffen: I also think it’s hard to know what “innovations” will work, so we’re all trying everything that we can. #editorchat

[20:45:04] a2editor: @LydiaBreakfast Hi, thanks. Missed my editorchat tweeps last week. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:45:05] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps don’t you think twitter’s 140 char. limitation helps that? #editorchat

[20:45:06] wordful: @mariaelenaduron good point #editorchat

[20:45:11] spencerspellman: Not as much Twittering today, busy busy. Sad that I’m missing #editorchat

[20:45:11] mhertz: Q1 @milehighfool I suppose a writer just need to know what medium he/she is writing for and adjust accordingly #editorchat

[20:45:12] carlazanoni: Q1 I always thought the basics were more important than innovative tools, now finding so many eds are interested in the latter. #editorchat

[20:45:54] shortformblog: Q1: If you’re not innovating, you’re not thinking. Simple as that. I think you’d have to be crazy to not think forward. #editorchat

[20:46:00] milehighfool: @SuziSteffen Hey Suzi. Assuming we don’t have time to watch now, what’s the takeaway? #editorchat

[20:46:05] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen Do you think that can lead to a mash of not-very-usable content? #editorchat

[20:46:11] mariaelenaduron: RT @wordful There’s nothing uncommon bout evolving technology,but writers/editors/publishers need 2 focus on content+audience #editorchat

[20:46:22] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast It definitely does. So in that light, I might be among the small-screen format writers eventually, but not yet. #editorchat

[20:46:24] SpecialDee: Special Sections editor http://www.sunjournal.com Maine newspaper, joining the convo. #editorchat

[20:46:27] a2editor: @milehighfool I think innovation is necessary (and inevitable), but can create messes in times of transition. #editorchat

[20:46:28] shortformblog: Q1: But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be a good editor of what innovations make most sense. #editorchat

[20:46:30] joecortez: Q1: Innovation is only innovation when it actually serves a purpose that will improve the industry. Otherwise, its just clutter. #editorchat

[20:46:36] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast Hope #editorchat goes well. Sad I’m missing it. BTW, I’ve got to give you props for the Firefly Tea comment, could use one

[20:46:37] jg_rat: @mhertz @milehighfool Q1But writers should be writing for multiple platforms? #editorchat

[20:46:47] jennipps: @spencerspellman Darn! We’ll miss you. #editorchat

[20:46:48] milehighfool: @mhertz I think this is possibly the biggest issue, and what may be behind the devaluing of Web content. #editorchat

[20:46:59] bob_bobala: Q1 Innovate or die. I don’t think there’s a choice. (Sorry, still working here on the West Coast.) #editorchat

[20:47:04] Shelbow: Hi #editorchat. I’m Shelly, a Web content consultant and former book editor in San Diego.

[20:47:04] JDEbberly: @SpecialDee Welcome to Editorchat, Dee! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:47:06] mariaelenaduron: @SuziSteffen LOL!! Am watching the video right now – thanks! #editorchat

[20:47:19] milehighfool: RT @joecortez: Q1: Innovation is only innovation when it actually serves a purpose that will improve the industry. #editorchat

[20:47:26] carlazanoni: @a2editor Completely agree about the mess it can make. #editorchat

[20:47:29] LydiaBreakfast: @spencerspellman hee hee, I am still waiting for my tumbler πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:47:33] SuziSteffen: @LydiaBreakfast Not really. Online, people will read/watch/listen to what’s interesting and filter out the rest. Print=diff tho. #editorchat

[20:47:38] shortformblog: BTW, came in a little late. Ernie Smith, designer, Wash. Post Express, creator of ShortFormBlog (http://shortformblog.com/) #editorchat

[20:47:48] jennipps: RT @shortformblog Q1: If you’re not innovating, you’re not thinking. Simple as that. I think you’d be crazy to not think fwd #editorchat

[20:47:59] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala Hey Bob, thanks for joining (at work!) #editorchat

[20:48:02] littlebrownpen: Q1 – Innovation without value is noise. #editorchat

[20:48:11] mhertz: Q1 I suppose the problem these days may be the speed of innovation and trying to keep up with them all. #editorchat

[20:48:11] JDEbberly: RT @joecortez: Q1: Innovation is only innovation when it actually serves a purpose that will improve the industry. #editorchat

[20:48:36] jg_rat: @SuziSteffen Q1 Don’t you think readers filter when they read paper? #editorchat

[20:48:41] sooutdoors: RT @littlebrownpen: Q1 – Innovation without value is noise. #editorchat

[20:48:43] bob_bobala: @carlazanoni The mess can be good… isn’t twitter just a big mess?! #editorchat

[20:48:46] jennipps: Agreed! RT @littlebrownpen Q1 – Innovation without value is noise. #editorchat

[20:48:56] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Hey Bob. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:48:59] Shelbow: @bob_bobala what are you doing at #editorchat on tax day?? ~Shelly

[20:49:06] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Glad to be here! #editorchat

[20:49:09] SuziSteffen: Q1 Yes. Students and recent grads tell me they need to learn coding. Wish I had time for all of that +, you know, work. #editorchat

[20:49:12] jg_rat: @mhertz Q1 Re keeping up, I am in constant state of future fatigue #editorchat

[20:49:13] jennipps: @mhertz And differentiating between the wheat and the chaff. #editorchat

[20:49:21] jenwillis: Apologies for my tardiness. I’m having connection/processor sluggishness. #editorchat

[20:49:26] mariaelenaduron: RT @littlebrownpen Q1 – Innovation without value is noise. <Amen!> #editorchat

[20:49:31] Colgo: Q1 Must say I agree with @bob_bobala who said: Innovate or die. I don’t think there’s a choice. #editorchat

[20:49:40] LydiaBreakfast: @jg_rat They might skip sections not of interest to them, but the line between editorial and ads might make it difficult #editorchat

[20:49:50] milehighfool: Q1 So if we agree that innovation without value is noise, how do we add value? #editorchat

[20:49:59] JDEbberly: RT @mhertz: Q1 I suppose the problem these days may be the speed of innovation and trying to keep up with them all. #editorchat

[20:50:02] jennipps: @Colgo But don’t you think there’s still a line of when innovation becomes cumbersome? #editorchat

[20:50:05] LydiaBreakfast: @jenwillis no problem, jump in as you can #editorchat

[20:50:10] SuziSteffen: @jennipps But how will you know, in advance, what innovation is noise and what is value? Or what @milehighfool said. #editorchat

[20:50:20] RBLevin: @wordful They also need to expand skill sets beyond word proc. Video, audio, design, lite coding are crucial skills for writers. #editorchat

[20:50:26] gmarkham: Q!: But there’s often no way to fully evaluate innovation until it’s been tried. #editorchat

[20:50:28] bob_bobala: @Shelbow Shelly, my job is done! I handed off to the TurboTax web team weeks ago. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:50:37] carlazanoni: @bob_bobala But if I find this hard to follow and I’m 34 and educ., how about the the afflicted we’re supposed to comfort? #editorchat

[20:50:43] mariaelenaduron: @Colgo I agree w/innovation 2 as long as it serves a purpose. If it takes away from content+ value of pub 2 audience, then why? #editorchat

[20:50:43] SuziSteffen: @jg_rat Of course we all filter when we read, but changing too much too fast in print can lead to Very Angry Readers. #editorchat

[20:50:43] milehighfool: Another example: Community. Isn’t it what do you with, and how you engage with, the community that maters? #editorchat

[20:50:52] jennipps: @SuziSteffen THere’s the rub. lol. I don’t know. I think it’s a matter of personal preference/usability. #editorchat

[20:50:58] a2editor: Value is what it always was IMO: Inform, inspire, entertain. Just do it in new and more useful, convenient, creative ways. #editorchat

[20:51:03] marciamarcia: #editorchat

[20:51:11] timecommander: Innovation is only the start of technology. #editorchat

[20:51:16] jobsearchcoach: RT @JoeCortez: Q1: Innovation is only innovation when it serves purpose that will improve industry. Otherwise, its just clutter. #editorchat

[20:51:27] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Another example: Community. Isn’t it what do you with, and how you engage with, the community that maters? #editorchat

[20:51:28] SuziSteffen: Q1 But, @lydiabreakfast, I do want to keep that wall b/t ad and copy. Yipes otherwise. #editorchat

[20:51:35] bob_bobala: @SuziSteffen That’s interesting about the coding, Suzi. I work for TurboTax and would get more done if I could code. #editorchat

[20:51:37] jg_rat: @SuziSteffen People hate change. Peope love change. #editorchat

[20:51:41] SpecialDee: Q1: I can’t have conversations w/paper but can w/peeps, thus building of an online community in real time is good, but how to? #editorchat

[20:51:43] gmarkham: @joecortez do you have a definition for “improve the industry”? #editorchat

[20:51:49] Colgo: Q1 Modern platforms offer so much room for innovation that … all innovation is good – failures will result in good lessons #editorchat

[20:51:51] milehighfool: @RBLevin This is precisely my point. For writers, knowing the medium seems to be amost as important as knowing the content. #editorchat

[20:51:55] littlebrownpen: RT @a2editor Value is what it always was: Inform, inspire, entertain. Just do it in new and more useful, convenient, creative w #editorchat

[20:52:00] jennipps: RT @a2editor Value is what it always was: Inform, inspire, entertain. Just do it in new & more useful, convenient, creative ways #editorchat

[20:52:20] mariaelenaduron: @SuziSteffen Think U need 2 have feedback of real readers. It’s a mistake 4 any1 2 speak 4 their end user (customer) + assume. #editorchat

[20:52:21] jg_rat: @SpecialDee Q1 Social media may be part of the answer #editorchat

[20:52:26] milehighfool: @Colgo Interesting point. But only if you move fast to correct mistakes, yes? #editorchat

[20:52:29] wordful: @RBLevin yes as writers/editors we need to be mindful of innovation. no use stopping or fighting it…just focus on value #editorchat

[20:52:34] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala the question then becomes, how much are we required to do? #editorchat

[20:52:35] shortformblog: Let me dig it up, but I was just reading a story about Dallas laying off people they trained to innovate in video. Absurd. #editorchat

[20:52:35] bob_bobala: @carlazanoni Yeah, it’s not easy. I’m not making that argument. #editorchat

[20:53:00] RBLevin: @milehighfool Always has been. Only today, the medium is much more complex than a page. #editorchat

[20:53:02] jesshatchigan: @gmarkham Q1 Trial and error is part of innovation. The chaff falls by the wayside. #editorchat

[20:53:05] shortformblog: What the DMN did, that’s not useful innovation. Do not train people in innovative things only to lay them off. #editorchat

[20:53:19] joecortez: Q1: @milehighfool We add value in improving content: using technology to make what we write more interactive; more insightful. #editorchat

[20:53:24] Shelbow: Q1 I’d say keep your eye on the objective — e.g. making something easier to accomplish or understand– then innovate. #editorchat

[20:53:40] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast How much innovation or technology work are we required to do? #editorchat

[20:53:51] wordful: @milehighfool that’s right! A 21st century editor needs to embrace innovation in order to thrive. #editorchat

[20:53:55] kwagg: RT @Shelbow Q1 I’d say keep your eye on the objective — e.g. making something easier to accomplish or understand– then innovat #editorchat

[20:53:58] SuziSteffen: @LydiaBreakfast Q1 About how much we’re required to do, absolutely! #editorchat

[20:54:02] Colgo: @jennipps I think the editor’s role as a manager should be to provide a platform for agile innovation #editorchat

[20:54:17] bob_bobala: @Shelbow Q1 yes, that’s always job #1. #editorchat

[20:54:17] milehighfool: @jesshatchigan Does the chaff always fall away? I’m not so sure. if it were so, wouldn’t newspapers have figured out online? #editorchat

[20:54:19] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala tech work, I mean, should I go and take classes on CSS and HML #editorchat

[20:54:36] earleyedition: Watching a bit of #editorchat stream. Check it out if you’re into online journ issues

[20:54:45] SpecialDee: Q1 Innovation: How do you feel about online communities following specific bylines? #editorchat

[20:54:57] LydiaBreakfast: I meant HTML #editorchat

[20:55:00] jennipps: @milehighfool True. I think the ones that pay attention, even a little bit, would have. #editorchat

[20:55:01] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: tech work, I mean, should I go and take classes on CSS and HML #editorchat

[20:55:24] jesshatchigan: Q1 Good writers have been innovating since we began scratching symbols on cave walls. #editorchat

[20:55:25] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast I think it depends how much you need a job and how versatile you want to be. #editorchat

[20:55:25] Colgo: @mariaelenaduron Sure, but I think you have to have room to think laterally about what the content is and what audiences want #editorchat

[20:55:32] jennipps: @Colgo Which would make things easier for people on both sides of the desk, I assume? #editorchat

[20:55:33] continuum_q5: RT @timecommander: Innovation is only the start of technology. #editorchat the Tech effect now with the human element

[20:55:34] joecortez: @gmarkham Innovation = tools that make us more efficient or our jobs better, or adds more value to the content we put together. #editorchat

[20:55:34] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee writers becoming brands is all part of the innovation equation #editorchat

[20:55:37] dodgemedlin: @shortformblog Spokane S-R has had issues like that too. Their video dept. was going great guns for a while, but no more. #editorchat

[20:55:38] leanneclc: Time to discount “the medium is the message” will pay for good, in depth, smart content either in writing, online, TV, or radio. #editorchat

[20:55:45] JDEbberly: RT @wordful: @milehighfool that’s right! A 21st century editor needs to embrace innovation in order to thrive. #editorchat

[20:55:56] wordful: @milehighfool no need for CSS and HTML classes….just go to the people who specialize in it. #editorchat

[20:56:13] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast HTML I can do. CSS is Greek to me. I can’t make heads nor tails of it. I think a class is in order for me. #editorchat

[20:56:16] littlebrownpen: Very often wheat and chaff duke it out … #editorchat

[20:56:21] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Everything else being equal, that is. #editorchat

[20:56:33] Sirjohn_writer: #editorchat with the advancement of the computer translators it still amazes me that my articles can be recopied without guilt

[20:56:37] gmarkham: @jesshatchigan exactly. fear of failure is too ingrained in media culture; limits innovative attempts #editorchat

[20:57:01] wordful: We need to know what technology and innovation is needed but we don’t need to know how it works. #editorchat

[20:57:09] Shelbow: Speaking of innovation, have you all seen SDNN.com? They’re working hard at innovating the news industry. #editorchat

[20:57:09] milehighfool: Back to the Dark Side. Is the failure of newspapers to monetize online a failure of innovation? #editorchat

[20:57:12] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat You don’t need to become an expert but some basic knowledge is certainly helpful these days.

[20:57:15] jennipps: @gmarkham And thus almost ensuring failure. #editorchat

[20:57:39] gmarkham: @JoeCortez thanks #editorchat

[20:57:59] mariaelenaduron: @Colgo Agreed! Think we need 2 B mindful that innovation doesn’t = quality.Might have 2 wait 4 more innovation, 2 get quality. #editorchat

[20:58:01] jesshatchigan: @milehighfool, in what sense? How to make a business equation of online? #editorchat

[20:58:03] mhertz: Does innovation when it comes to newspapers thus mean going online and stuffing it with ads and/or charging users? #editorchat

[20:58:03] mikhailg: @littlebrownpen I thought editors separate the wheat from the chaff and then print the chaff. #editorchat

[20:58:03] bob_bobala: Q1 If talent was equal, I would hire someone with HTML, etc. skills over someone without them. #editorchat

[20:58:05] leanneclc: How can we be debating innovation? Some of the most successful media is very simple – Charlie Rose, NPR Radio, New Yorker…#editorchat

[20:58:13] SpecialDee: @jakrose Newspaper people: let your fans spread your bylined stories, create community http://is.gd/s8l6 #editorchat

[20:58:16] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen And doesn’t chaff sometimes win? #editorchat

[20:58:18] wordful: Dark Side: newspapers are too journalistic. They need to be more personal and community minded. Look at HuffPo. #editorchat

[20:58:24] jennipps: @milehighfool Not necessarily. Some have tried to go online and still not made it. #editorchat

[20:58:29] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala I’m starting class tomorrow πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:58:42] SuziSteffen: @milehighfool Re innovation: I don’t know. Even if so, is it writer/editors at fault? We don’t sell the ads or design the web. #editorchat

[20:58:43] sooutdoors: @milehighfool I would absolutely agree with that statement. Many are now addressing issues that needed attention years ago. #editorchat

[20:58:50] jennipps: @leanneclc BUt even in their simplicity, they still make use of some technological advancements/innovations. #editorchat

[20:58:58] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool I’ve thought about this often. I think it is a failure, sadly. #editorchat

[20:59:10] SpecialDee: @briansolis Nice job re Statusphere & friends of friends http://is.gd/n85u #editorchat

[20:59:23] dodgemedlin: @mhertz Charging users is not innovation. #editorchat

[20:59:25] wordful: @Shelbow yes, I agree. Perhaps I’m getting innovation mixed up w/technology…? #editorchat

[20:59:33] littlebrownpen: @mikhailg Very true. #editorchat

[20:59:39] milehighfool: @jesshatchigan Right. Surely the Web is a phenomenal distribution mechanism. For newspapers, it has zero value. #editorchat

[20:59:41] rosefox: Joining late–hi all. I’m a book reviews editor at Publishers Weekly and a freelance medical journalist. #editorchat

[20:59:52] LydiaBreakfast: @leanneclc True there are some “old skool” that work, but the majority of the publishing business is trying to find a new model #editorchat

[20:59:54] JDEbberly: SDNN San Diego News Network http://www.sdnn.com/ #editorchat

[20:59:56] leanneclc: @jennipps Agreed but not at the expense of content…great content first, innovation if it makes sense, not for innovations sake #editorchat

[21:00:09] carlazanoni: @wordful What does that mean too journalistic? #editorchat

[21:00:32] jennipps: @leanneclc I most certainly agree! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:00:32] jg_rat: @wordful Q1 Tech can enable innovation – sometimes it forces it #editorchat

[21:00:59] milehighfool: @SuziSteffen Good point. Maybe the follow-up is, as writers nd editors, how do we shape innovation in a biz context? #editorchat

[21:01:07] LydiaBreakfast: It would be helpful to clarify innovation is a new way of reporting news, creating features, providing web content #editorchat

[21:01:13] bob_bobala: @SuziSteffen At least with what we’re doing here at Intuit, the writers are intimately involved in design. #editorchat

[21:01:13] gmarkham: I’m not sure anyone could have seen how the combination of disruption and recession would slay the business model. #editorchat (1/2)

[21:01:23] SpecialDee: Journalists with followings, good read @techcrunch http://is.gd/rVOS #editorchat

[21:01:26] BaileyMcC: The content can be fabulous, but if no one sees it b/c of lack of innovation, the bad content still wins #editorchat

[21:01:33] LydiaBreakfast: Technology is what we use as a tool to help us do those things. Not the same as innovation #editorchat

[21:01:38] timecommander: How can a newspaper company monetize? Guest posters? #editorchat

[21:01:42] gmarkham: sorry, there is no (2/2) #editorchat

[21:01:45] rosefox: @milehighfool #editorchat Newspapers’ and magazines’ only “failure” is not yet knowing what works. Everyone is scrambling right now.

[21:01:49] shortformblog: @leanneclc You know, if every news market owned their niche like those do, it’d be OK to stagnate. But most people don’t. #editorchat

[21:01:53] LydiaBreakfast: @rosefox Hello Rose, many thanks for joining us πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:01:57] Shelbow: RT @jg_rat: @wordful Q1 Tech can enable innovation – sometimes it forces it #editorchat SO True! That’s why I say #contentstrategy first!

[21:01:59] jesshatchigan: @milehighfool, what’s “caviar to the general” may be non-chaff that’s monetizable in non-mass markets? #editorchat

[21:02:07] leanneclc: @LydiaBreakfast I know but I think they are trying too hard and missing the point…consumers pay for content and still will #editorchat

[21:02:24] mariaelenaduron: RT LydiaBreakfast Technology is what we use as a tool to help us do those things. Not the same as innovation <Agreed!> #editorchat

[21:02:31] SuziSteffen: @bob_bobala That makes sense for online-only, but trad papers couldn’t foresee … er ditto @gmarkham. #editorchat

[21:02:49] IrisJumbe: @wordful can a newspaper ever be “too journalistic”? Papers have to pick a gear & not just stick with it, but excel. #editorchat

[21:02:49] wordful: @carlazanoni I mean to say not niche-focused, which is the way web content seems to be headed. #editorchat

[21:02:56] milehighfool: @jesshatchigan Agreed. One man’s what is another’s chaff, and so on. #editorchat

[21:03:01] ImFreckles: hello from Toronto. just checking in to see what the chatter is about tonight. #editorchat

[21:03:23] mhertz: @gmarkham. Agreed. It just seems like a perfect storm of bad news for the newspaper industry. #editorchat

[21:03:25] Colgo: @milehighfool Q1 I like the BBC line: Fall forward, fast – make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill failures. #editorchat

[21:03:33] carlazanoni: @Wordful Point taken. #editorchat

[21:03:37] leanneclc: @shortformblog Yeah, I know and I know there are a lot of niche pubs that are nice to have, but if there isn’t enough market….#editorchat

[21:03:38] BaileyMcC: Merely charging users for the same old thing isn’t innovation or even content strategy #editorchat

[21:03:47] rosefox: @leanneclc #editorchat Consumers are becoming more picky about when and why they pay for content. Providing better/targeted content is key.

[21:04:15] milehighfool: @rosefox Really? As much as that’s true right now I’m not sure either industry has experimented well. #editorchat

[21:04:54] milehighfool: @Colgo Right. This is a classic model for tech, Google especially. Fail small, win huge. The poker player’s motto. #editorchat

[21:05:09] JDEbberly: RT @rosefox: @leanneclc #editorchat Consumers are becoming more picky about when and why they pay for content. Providing better/targeted …

[21:05:11] marciamarcia: Joining #editorchat late. Realizing I could use the community of editors and writers 2nite more than thinking abt what I have yet to finish.

[21:05:43] Colgo: gotta go to a meeting, will catch up on the thread later #editorchat

[21:05:44] leanneclc: @rosefox I definitely agree, but those personal budgets are only going to stretch so far…some will lose, innovation or no #editorchat

[21:05:46] IrisJumbe: @BaileyMcC Agreed. Nor is charging them for content and services they can get for free elsewhere #editorchat

[21:05:47] milehighfool: @rosefox On this,w e agree. I like and have high hopes for the Newsweek model. Premium content deserves a premium price. #editorchat

[21:05:49] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia Thanks for joining/procrastinating with us πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:06:01] jennipps: @marciamarcia I’m trying to keep from thinking about what needs to be done/finished. #editorchat

[21:06:02] SuziSteffen: Good plan!RT @Colgo I like BBC line: Fall forward, fast – make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill failures. #editorchat

[21:06:16] bob_bobala: Q1 Is creativity innovation? Because with print dying and web content so competitive, the most creative will survive. #editorchat

[21:06:22] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool Agree. I happily pay for premium content. #editorchat

[21:06:23] rosefox: @milehighfool #editorchat I think we could refine our scrambling, yes, but a lot of improvements require capital that no one has right now.

[21:06:25] SpecialDee: Look at each department .RT @timecommander: How can a newspaper company monetize? Guest posters? #editorchat

[21:06:34] BaileyMcC: RT@Colgo Q1 I like the BBC line: Fall forward, fast, make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill fails. #editorchat

[21:06:40] SuziSteffen: Funny, I don’t believe that people will pay for content, but out of solidarity I subscribed to InDenverTimes. So hmmmm. #editorchat

[21:06:46] jg_rat: RT @Colgo: Q1 I like the BBC line: Fall forward fast, make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill failures [fast] #editorchat

[21:06:53] jennipps: @bob_bobala Sometimes creativity *can* be innovation, but not always. #editorchat

[21:06:57] BaileyMcC: @irisjumbe @irisjumbe exactly! #editorchat

[21:07:02] Hergett: @rosefox Isn’t that exactly what local newspapers have been touting? Does hyper-local not equal targeted? #editorchat

[21:07:05] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Absolutely it is, Content innovation I’d argue, is more important than tech innovation. In publishing at least. #editorchat

[21:07:16] leanneclc: @milehighfool @Rosefox – I’m in for premium content at a premium price. Hope there are enough of us! #editorchat

[21:07:29] JDEbberly: RT @Colgo: Q1 I like the BBC line: Fall forward fast, make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill failure #editorchat

[21:07:32] littlebrownpen: @SuziSteffen I think you are on to something with solidarity. It has to start somewhere. #editorchat

[21:07:42] jennipps: @SuziSteffen I actually think it’s been proven several times that people don’t pay for content more often than not. #editorchat

[21:08:07] bob_bobala: @marciamarcia Everybody’s taxes are done, right? If not, sorry for the plug, but you’d better head over to TurboTax.com #editorchat

[21:08:08] milehighfool: @rosefox In tech, certainly. But back to Bob’s point. Are we being as innovative with content as we can be? #editorchat

[21:08:17] marciamarcia: In the focus group work I’ve done, I’ve learned some people buy into concept of pay-for-content, others just don’t. #editorchat

[21:08:24] wordful: I believe people will pay for premium content but it has to be highly relevant to their needs and useful as well #editorchat

[21:08:36] ImFreckles: i think this idea about paying for content just means the content must be really good. people are getting harder to please #editorchat

[21:08:43] leanneclc: @Hergett My opinion – local newspapers = dumbed down news. That’s my problem with local…happy to pay for online news digest #editorchat

[21:08:54] LydiaBreakfast: I think we can agree that creativity, really knowing your audience, and crafting quality targeted content are innovations #editorchat

[21:08:57] jesshatchigan: @milehighfool, premium content and niche marketing are two avenues to monetize. #editorchat

[21:08:57] SuziSteffen: @jennipps I know! So I’m sort of laughing at my behavior/belief clash. I also pay for the ORegonian, the NYT and bunch o’ mags. #editorchat

[21:08:59] BaileyMcC: We have to get beyond the basic payments model, ppl will find what they want free enuf is out there, do more #editorchat

[21:09:10] littlebrownpen: @wordful Highly relevant is key. Niche content will attract more $$$ with that model. #editorchat

[21:09:13] mariaelenaduron: @wordful I agree. Am for paying for premium content, too. #editorchat

[21:09:28] LydiaBreakfast: Ready for Q2 Writers: How has technology or business innovation disrupted your process? Do you write more? Less? #editorchat

[21:09:34] bob_bobala: @milehighfool What’s becoming more and more intereting to me is how you meld content innovation with tech innovation. #editorchat

[21:09:50] wordful: @littlebrownpen exactly! Niche content is where all of this is headed. Newspapers are not niche content providers. #editorchat

[21:10:11] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Easy access to some things has disrupted my process. lol. I think I write more, for the most part. #editorchat

[21:10:13] milehighfool: @rosefox I should point out I’m not intending to point fingers at publishers so much as point out a fact: innovation is upon us. #editorchat

[21:10:13] mhertz: The problem is, as much as we writer/editors may be willing to pay for content, will the average reader? And in a down economy? #editorchat

[21:10:18] marciamarcia: If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:10:19] anndouglas: @ImFreckles You will love it. I just arrived a bit late myself, btw. Listening to get the gist of the convo. #editorchat

[21:10:28] rosefox: #editorchat What does “innovative with content” even mean? Is it possible to divorce content innovation and delivery/monetizing?

[21:10:29] bob_bobala: Q2 I write more. Absolutely more. Question is, is it more fulfilling? #editorchat

[21:10:29] ErikSherman: @marciamarcia Problem with asking people what they’d do is that it’s one of the least reliable types of market research. #editorchat

[21:10:42] BeckyDMBR: @JDEbberly I especially like “kill failure.” Sounds like old journo-speak to me. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:10:47] wordful: Q2: I’ve grown with the technology so I don’t really think of being without it. #editorchat

[21:10:53] jennipps: Oops. Forgot to put Q2 on that last response. RT Easy access to some things has disrupted my process. lol. I think I write more, #editorchat

[21:11:00] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Have to disagree on the technology one. It’s allowed for so much innovation that wouldn’t be possible otherwise.#editorchat

[21:11:08] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q2 Writers: How has technology or business innovation disrupted your process? Do you write more? Less? #editorchat

[21:11:10] IrisJumbe: @jennipps Yup. They might pay for exclusive content but how often is anything online ever really exclusive to a single site? #editorchat

[21:11:12] leanneclc: Absolutely! RT @LydiaBreakfast …creativity, really knowing your aud., & crafting quality targeted content are innovations #editorchat

[21:11:13] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala a catchy way to meld the two is to provide a mulitmedia approach to each story with links, visuals, audio and video #editorchat

[21:11:21] littlebrownpen: RT: @marciamarcia If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:11:28] jennipps: @bob_bobala It is for me because I actually write it and submit things instead of holding on to it forever. #editorchat

[21:11:37] SuziSteffen: Q2: What I like about online is that I can write more about what I want to (theater, viz arts, etc.) w/o space worries. #editorchat

[21:11:41] BeckyDMBR: @SuziSteffen Yeah, but, have we heard … did InDenverTimes get enough subscribers to continue? #editorchat

[21:12:10] wordful: Technology helps spread the writing so much faster and cheaper, so I do it more. #editorchat

[21:12:14] mariaelenaduron: Q2: I definitely write more. Learning curve time is distracting, ultimately valuable + provided access 2 new + good sources. #editorchat

[21:12:18] joecortez: Q2: Technology helps me gather more sources more efficiently. Can also be major distraction to productivity if I let it be. #editorchat

[21:12:21] jennipps: @IrisJumbe Exactly! Even if it is “exclusive” for one site, it can soon be spread to others by readers of the first site. #editorchat

[21:12:31] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR Great question, Becky. I’m not sure. I’ve had to wait for my CC statement to close before signing up. #editorchat

[21:12:33] BaileyMcC: Q2 I don’t think of tech as a disruption, its a way to enhance what I write and provide more to the audience #editorchat

[21:12:38] mhertz: Q2 Technology (read: the Internet) has disrupted my writing process because it’s an easy opportunity to be distracted #editorchat

[21:12:42] JenniferPerillo: Q2: tech innovation leaves me feeling overwhelmed with all the outlets that need “feeding”. #editorchat

[21:12:50] SuziSteffen: @BeckyDMBR I believe they’re deciding on April … 23 or something? I’ll go look. http://is.gd/sF0j #editorchat

[21:12:52] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast Q2: As a medical journalist, I am daily grateful for PubMed. Tech = searchable content = better easier research. #editorchat

[21:12:55] Hergett: @leanneclc Local sources need to evolve, yes, and may not have the expansive content, but are still valuable to communities. #editorchat

[21:12:58] jennipps: RT @wordful Technology helps spread the writing so much faster and cheaper, so I do it more. #editorchat

[21:12:59] leanneclc: @IrisJumbe I’m not sure I’d pay for exclusive…premium or higher quality, yes, exclusive…who cares except media types #editorchat

[21:13:04] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen You mean with blogging? Don’t some pubs limit blogging? #editorchat

[21:13:06] timecommander: Q2: Yes. Like I said earlier: as long as content is creative it will be fulfilling. #editorchat

[21:13:08] marciamarcia: @ErikSherman Most of my work has looked at what people have done, and why they did it. We hear,”No never pay for content.” #editorchat

[21:13:21] SuziSteffen: @JenniferPerillo Yes, true, and I feel guilty if I’m not posting on the blog/Twittering interesting links/getting photos etc. #editorchat

[21:13:23] Shelbow: There are lots of ways to “pay” for content … I think premium content doesn’t have to be supported by just one model. #editorchat

[21:13:24] mariaelenaduron: @SuziSteffen Too true! I do like not having to worry about space. #editorchat

[21:13:31] JDEbberly: Q2 Technological innovation helps me pull things together better for articles. #editorchat

[21:13:35] SuziSteffen: @LydiaBreakfast Probably, but mine doesn’t. #editorchat

[21:13:37] IrisJumbe: Q2 It hasn’t disrupted me but I’ve had 2 expand my process to factor in time 4 the time-consuming techie things I’m not good at. #editorchat

[21:13:38] bob_bobala: @jennipps Oooh, there’s a whole other conversation: submissions. How long do you wait on them, etc. @milehighfool will want in. #editorchat

[21:13:38] LydiaBreakfast: @rosefox what about your work with PW (I review books too, btw) #editorchat

[21:13:39] JenniferPerillo: @jodifur funny this is one of the questions on #editorchat! And I said the same thing.

[21:14:17] jennipps: @bob_bobala lol. Maybe that’s a convo better for another time, then? #editorchat

[21:14:18] JDEbberly: @SuziSteffen I just LOVE to post links to interesting topics on Twitter! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:14:21] milehighfool: Q2: Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer. Sources are easier to find. #editorchat

[21:14:27] littlebrownpen: Agree w/ @JenniferPerillo Q2: tech innovation leaves me feeling overwhelmed with all the outlets that need “feeding”. #editorchat

[21:14:46] jg_rat: Q2 Wish I had time to write. Too busy innovating :o) #editorchat

[21:14:48] jg_rat: Q2 Wish I had time to write. Too busy innovating :o) #editorchat

[21:14:48] ErikSherman: @marciamarcia When you think about it, why would they? Vast majority of sources are free anyway. #editorchat

[21:14:53] milehighfool: @milehighfool Yes, yes I do. #editorchat

[21:15:04] jennipps: @milehighfool True! And the adage to “write tight” gets put into practice daily and makes it easier in general. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:15:07] timecommander: RT milehighfool: Q2: Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer. Sources are easier to find. #editorchat

[21:15:20] bob_bobala: Q2 I’d like to think that technology hasn’t disrupted my writing life; it’s enhanced it. #editorchat

[21:15:21] IrisJumbe: @leanneclc Doesn’t it depend on the topic of the content? e.g. an exclusive interview w/ someone you found completely inspiring? #editorchat

[21:15:29] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat I hope we can accept ebook subs soon, because searchable text makes it easier to fact-check reviews.

[21:15:35] anndouglas: Q2 Concerned by something I heard today – some mega-bookstores want online video content for certain types book to stock title. #editorchat

[21:15:37] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Duh. Sorry about that last tweet. Yes, I do want in re: submissions. #editorchat

[21:15:38] JDEbberly: @bob_bobala We should suggest to @milehighfool to discuss submissions next week! Hint! Hint! to mods #editorchat

[21:15:55] jennipps: RT @milehighfool Q2: Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer. Sources are easier to find. #editorchat

[21:15:59] LydiaBreakfast: RT @IrisJumbe Q2 hasn’t disrupted me but had 2 expand my process to factor in time 4 the time-consuming tech I’m not good at #editorchat

[21:16:00] milehighfool: RT @jg_rat: Q2 Wish I had time to write. Too busy innovating :o0 #editorchat

[21:16:10] anndouglas: Realize that’s a book issue not a specifically journo issue but it speaks to all the extras being asked/demanded. #editorchat

[21:16:17] Hergett: Q2: It is much easier to find information/sources, but I have less time to process and reflect because of immediacy. #editorchat

[21:16:25] marciamarcia: @milehighfool Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer, too. Brilliant perspectives at our fingertips #editorchat

[21:16:31] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool Q2: Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer. Sources are easier to find. #editorchat

[21:16:42] jesshatchigan: Q@: Whose idea was it to combine word processing with the greatest distraction ever & the same keyboard? #editorchat

[21:16:43] DougLance: How much could I make with this? http://freelancefiction.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:16:47] bob_bobala: @milehighfool @jennips we’ll have to hook up on that at a later time for sure. #editorchat

[21:16:55] SuziSteffen: @JDEbberly I know you do! I read most of ’em. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:16:57] timecommander: The funny thing about Twitter is that due to innovation it will be way, way off the map in the near future. #editorchat

[21:17:01] jennipps: Twitter has helped me *loads* writing-wise (and source-wise, too). #editorchat

[21:17:05] milehighfool: @Hergett Immediacy as in deadline pressure? #editorchat

[21:17:30] Shelbow: Q2 Technology has facilitated my writing process — don’t know what I’d do without it! (And my roots are so old school.) #editorchat

[21:17:35] anndouglas: Generally, I’m very pro-technology. But if pub wants author to provide website full of videos, better be $ in contract #editorchat

[21:17:38] JDEbberly: RT @timecommander: The funny thing about Twitter is that due to innovation it will be way, way off the map in the near future. #editorchat

[21:17:41] jennipps: @bob_bobala @milehighfool Definitely! I’m looking forward to it. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:17:47] a2editor: @JenniferPerillo I can’t stand needing to feed the beast. That feeling guides me to do what I love, not what I “should” do. #editorchat

[21:17:48] rosefox: #editorchat Blogs have helped me connect with other writers/editors, and both get and assign freelance gigs with great success.

[21:17:48] ErikSherman: @anndouglas That’s a scary thought – hard enough to get publsihers to edit. So who pays for video production? #editorchat

[21:17:48] marciamarcia: @ErikSherman Amazed at how often publishers (and it seems writers) don’t seem to grok that w/o hearing firsthand. #editorchat

[21:18:12] JDEbberly: RT @rosefox: #editorchat Blogs have helped me connect with other writers/editors, and both get and assign freelance gigs with great success.

[21:18:13] bob_bobala: @milehighfool on finding sources on twitter, would definitely like you to elaborate on that at another time. #editorchat

[21:18:16] SuburbNews: @milehighfool Is #editorchat almost done? Just signing on and reading the dialog from the start…..

[21:18:25] jodifur: @JenniferPerillo what question? mac for word or too many blogs? #editorchat

[21:18:44] littlebrownpen: @rosefox Agree. It’s such a great way to connect. #editorchat

[21:18:56] ErikSherman: @marciamarcia They’re managing from wishful thinking, not from being in touch with reality. #editorchat

[21:18:56] LydiaBreakfast: @SuburbNews we go until 10pm EST #editorchat

[21:19:01] jesshatchigan: Q2 Twitter absolutely rocks my writing world – great contacts a Tweet away. #editorchat

[21:19:01] JDEbberly: @SuburbNews We still have about 40 minutes left in Editorchat #editorchat

[21:19:06] milehighfool: @rosefox Your own blogs or others? I have seen excellent bloggers have great success in publishing. #editorchat

[21:19:09] rosefox: @timecommander #editorchat What do you think will replace/supplant Twitter?

[21:19:25] sooutdoors: #editorchat Q2 the problem with technological innovation is that you can make a career out of learning and never apply anything.

[21:19:28] jennipps: RT @jesshatchigan Q2 Twitter absolutely rocks my writing world – great contacts a Tweet away. #editorchat

[21:19:29] JenniferPerillo: @jodifur too many blogs #editorchat

[21:19:33] wordful: I like that technology has made me feel so much more connected to everyone, which deeply affects my writing #editorchat

[21:19:45] Hergett: @milehighfool Deadlines I can handle-it is more the blogosphere and networking that demand ideas now. Writing as therapy suffers #editorchat

[21:19:47] LydiaBreakfast: Twitter has been invaluable for me for sources, and general info I might not have found on my own. Also HARO #editorchat

[21:20:02] joecortez: Q2: Tech innovation (i.e. Twitter) def. helps to bridge people & ideas together. The result is more complete content faster. #editorchat

[21:20:22] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool Me too. So many bloggers I know have book deals, columns in magazines, other paying blog gigs. #editorchat

[21:20:23] sooutdoors: So True RT @wordful: I like that technology has made me feel so much more connected to everyone, which deeply affects my writing #editorchat

[21:20:24] rosefox: @littlebrownpen #editorchat And a great way to see/share writing samples, albeit informal ones.

[21:20:24] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Kind of like knowing when to stop researching and start writing? #editorchat

[21:20:24] jennipps: @sooutdoors True. So the idea for me, then, is to learn enough that I can *begin* to apply it and then continue to learn as I go #editorchat

[21:20:27] milehighfool: @bob_bobala I’ll try now. The search mechanism on Twitter offers a great virew of thinking on a topic. (1/2) #editorchat

[21:20:32] timecommander: @rosefox Definitely something we’ve never heard of. And it won’t be a bad thing either. Change is embraced when it’s gradual. #editorchat

[21:20:36] bob_bobala: @Hergett isn’t blogging writing as therapy?! #editorchat

[21:20:36] JDEbberly: @rosefox I think utility glasses with an Internet connection will replace Twitter by 2013-2014 #editorchat

[21:21:09] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Tweeting for sources myself has also proven fruitful. Fact checking, surprisingly, hasn’t been too hard. (2/2) #editorchat

[21:21:09] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Agree Twitter has been great resource in researching recipes & leads. #editorchat

[21:21:09] LydiaBreakfast: Related Q 3 Editors: Has the Web and mobile Internet changed what you ask of your writers? Are you placing limits on them? #editorchat

[21:21:20] ErikSherman: @wordful I don’t feel that way – maybe because I’ve been around technology for way too long and used to it. #editorchat

[21:21:32] timecommander: @JDEbberly Hey, anything is possible1 #editorchat

[21:21:44] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast That’s where my learn-enough-to-start mo came into play. #editorchat

[21:21:45] milehighfool: RT @bob_bobala: @Hergett isn’t blogging writing as therapy?! #editorchat

[21:21:51] a2editor: @sooutdoors That’s true. I’m tired of tweets advising how to use Twitter, by people who do nothing but tell you how to use Twtr. #editorchat

[21:21:54] leanneclc: Q2 – Research is much easier w/google alerts. But writing is the same for me…gather info, outline, write (shut open windows) #editorchat

[21:21:58] bob_bobala: @milehighfool and i presume you’ve also made contacts that have lead to interviews. #editorchat

[21:22:03] shortformernie: Hey all, Ernie at @shortformblog here; was getting complaints about tweetchat clutter, so bug me here if you want to chat #editorchat

[21:22:18] jesshatchigan: @JenniferPerillo, on the too many blogs – yes. It’s overkill. #editorchat

[21:22:18] shortformernie: Also, feel free to add this account too. #editorchat

[21:22:19] timecommander: @JDEbberly Hey, anything is possible! #editorchat

[21:22:22] SuziSteffen: Q3 I’d like my writers to write for our blog and understand link-rich posts (yes, we link out of our site). But … #editorchat

[21:22:37] wordful: @ErikSherman I’ve been around it for so long, too. But for me it seems to make the world smaller and more intimate. #editorchat

[21:22:38] bob_bobala: @leanneclc yeah, you’ve got to keep the rain off your laptop. #editorchat

[21:22:43] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo I can’t say how many times I’ve made a dinner off of something I read on twitter πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:22:46] CMM_PR: RT @marciamarcia If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:22:46] a2editor: @sooutdoors …these people never actually take their own advice and USE Twitter. #editorchat

[21:22:57] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q 3 Editors: Has the Web, mobile Internet changed what you ask of writers? Are you placing limits on them? #editorchat

[21:22:57] konadad: Arriving late to #editorchat. How is everyone?

[21:23:16] ErikSherman: @wordful It certainly makes communication easier. #editorchat

[21:23:27] leanneclc: @a2editor ahhh twitter for twitter’s sake…let’s all become “social media consultants” I think the pay’s about the same #editorchat

[21:23:29] JDEbberly: RT @CMM_PR: RT @marciamarcia If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:23:31] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Can you expand on Q3? What do you mean by limits?

[21:23:39] LydiaBreakfast: @konadad swell thanks for joining #editorchat

[21:23:42] mariaelenaduron: @shortformernie I had 2 do the same thing.Was on a chat earlier 2day + 2 much noise 4 one day. MayB some1 will innovate solution #editorchat

[21:23:43] anndouglas: @JenniferPerillo That’s a very good point. I have to limit myself to specific blogs and specific SM. #editorchat

[21:23:47] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Absolutely. Twitter helps me engage where I hadn’t before. #editorchat

[21:23:53] joecortez: Web and wired culture has made editors expect more of me as a writer: because we r all connected, they want more content faster. #editorchat

[21:23:55] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Q3: No, not placing limits. All these technologies has made me ask more of writers. #editorchat

[21:24:01] wordful: @leanneclc that’s pretty funny…and true #editorchat

[21:24:02] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Twitter was my first stop for a kosher cooking question this week #editorchat

[21:24:14] continuum_q5: RT @timecommander: @JDEbberly Hey, anything is possible! #editorchat it’s all just a matter of time right?

[21:24:34] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @bob_bobala Absolutely. Twitter helps me engage where I hadn’t before. #editorchat

[21:24:35] a2editor: @leanneclc I’ve stopped following back anyone who calls themself a social media “expert” or “geek.” I can’t stand the advice. #edi

[21:24:41] shortformernie: @mariaelenaduron Yeah, multiple complaints. I had to do something. Sigh. #editorchat

[21:24:59] Hergett: @bob_bobala It can be, but when I write for me it’s usually old school pen and paper style… Not quite the same. #editorchat

[21:25:11] Mike_Evans_: what client are y’all using tto follow this chat #editorchat

[21:25:31] ErikSherman: @a2editor Doesn’t that just leave about three dozen people? #editorchat

[21:25:36] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Q3: To be a writer in the connected world, you need to be versatile. Can you write for the iphone, web, etc.? #editorchat

[21:25:38] anndouglas: @rosefox I love it too. My harddrive – not so much! .pdf overload! #editorchat

[21:25:45] Shelbow: Wouldn’t it be cool art if your Twitter feed was continuously projected on your wall? #editorchat

[21:25:47] jennipps: @a2editor Agreed. The only ones like that I follow back anymore are SEO peeps since I know little abt SEO, though I’m learning #editorchat

[21:25:56] ErikSherman: @Mike_Evans_ I’m trying TweetChat at the moment. #editorchat

[21:26:02] rosefox: @Mike_Evans_ #editorchat I’m just refreshing the twitter search page. There’s probably a more efficient way to do it…

[21:26:05] LydiaBreakfast: @Mike_Evans_ tweetgrid or tweetchat work #editorchat

[21:26:11] milehighfool: @rosefox One example: Are you asking for shorter articles to fit the medium? (Mobile, in this case.) #editorchat

[21:26:13] jennipps: @anndouglas Thanks for the reminder. I need to move my .pdfs to my external hard drive. #editorchat

[21:26:24] jg_rat: Out – have major breaking story #editorchat

[21:26:25] JDEbberly: @continuum_q5 Technological innovation will increase with time, which means that to keep up, we must optimize ourselves. #editorchat

[21:26:26] bob_bobala: @Hergett Ahh yes, the therapy of pen and paper. I gave that up a long time ago. No wonder I’m two sheets away from insane now. #editorchat

[21:26:30] dodgemedlin: @Mike_Evans_ I’m using Tweetchat. Works fine for me. #editorchat

[21:26:30] catekustanczy: RT @JDEbberly @milehighfool: @bob_bobala Twitter helps me engage -and connect, and learn, and expand -where I hadn’t before. #editorchat

[21:26:33] goodiesformom: @a2editor doesn’t it seem like everyone is a “social media expert” these days?? #editorchat

[21:26:38] marciamarcia: Only thing I ask differently from writers in the social media era is to not ignore the topic, pretend the tech isn’t there #editorchat

[21:26:43] littlebrownpen: @a2editor Agree. And enough with the I’m a guru/geek/expert etc. Ick. #editorchat

[21:26:49] BaileyMcC: @Mike_Evans_ TwitterFall, using only this hashtag #editorchat

[21:26:52] IrisJumbe: RT @a2editor:@leanneclc I’ve stopped following back anyone who calls themself a social media expert; I can’t stand the advice. #editorchat

[21:26:54] a2editor: @ErikSherman It’s not that bad. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:27:18] joecortez: @Mike_Evans_ Tweetgrid is a great tool to follow chats — its like Tweetdeck, except web based. #editorchat

[21:27:37] wordful: Great blog post by Skellie on “Social Media experts” http://tinyurl.com/cvc4pt #editorchat

[21:27:38] mhertz: Tweetchat. What a revelation… #editorchat

[21:27:40] shortformernie: Anyone who has 3,000 followers and the phrase “marketing expert” in their subject line doesn’t get followed back. No exceptions. #editorchat

[21:27:41] LydiaBreakfast: Related Q4 is creativity paying off in a business sense? #editorchat

[21:27:44] CMM_PR: Writers have to be multimedia pros, understand how to leverage numerous disparate SM channels & stay on topic. Challenging. #editorchat

[21:27:55] anndouglas: @leanneclc I think pay-for-content works when u can’t get content any other way. I pay for @mediabistro Otherwise, no. #editorchat

[21:27:59] milehighfool: @jg_rat Thanks for participating. #editorchat

[21:28:03] leanneclc: Q3 I think Twitter will be a help for mobile writing…short and attention getting. Has also helped with headline writing. #editorchat

[21:28:04] marciamarcia: @goodiesformom Outside this bubble, I don’t hear it much at all. Let’s not forget we’re still on the leading edge here. #editorchat

[21:28:09] littlebrownpen: @mhertz I know, right? It’s so 1999. #editorchat

[21:28:17] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast For me? It’s starting to. lol. #editorchat

[21:28:30] wordful: Great blog post by @skellie on “Social Media experts” http://tinyurl.com/cvc4pt #editorchat

[21:28:40] anndouglas: @leanneclc Just realized that’s what you were saying. Sorry for blanking out. #editorchat

[21:28:50] rosefox: @milehighfool #editorchat Ah. Not really, no. Book reviewing isn’t really affected by tech that way. #editorchat

[21:29:10] joecortez: Q4: Creativity always pays off in business: if I offer an angle or idea that someone else can’t, I’ll get business. No joke. #editorchat

[21:29:14] IrisJumbe: @mike_evans_ I’m trying out Nambu. Kinda buggy but a really clean interface #editorchat

[21:29:14] a2editor: @LydiaBreakfast Q4 I’m still waiting to see… #editorchat

[21:29:17] milehighfool: @shortformernie Especially if they followed 4,000 to get to 3,000. #editorchat

[21:29:24] jennipps: Q3 – Creativity paying off in a business sense – depends on the venue. Sometimes yes. Especially for sites like Twitter & Plurk. #editorchat

[21:29:26] LydiaBreakfast: If you missed it Q4 is creativity paying off in a business sense? #editorchat

[21:29:34] JenniferPerillo: Q4: More people are willing to compromise pay b/c they can work from home in PJs. That’s where the tech innovation becomes bad #editorchat

[21:29:48] leanneclc: @anndouglas no worries…it’s hard to keep up with this one…really some of the best content on twitter #editorchat

[21:29:49] amous: RT @JDEbberly: RT @CMM_PR: RT @marciamarcia If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:29:58] jennipps: Oops. Goofed again. Put Q3 instead of Q4. lol. #editorchat

[21:29:58] goodiesformom: @marciamarcia I get spam all the time from people telling me they are either social media or SEO experts. 😦 #editorchat

[21:30:12] SuziSteffen: Perfect RT @marciamarcia Only thing I ask diff from writers in social media era is to not ignore topic, pretend tech isn’t there #editorchat

[21:30:15] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo For the record, I get dressed (up) every day. Even if I am home all day. #editorchat

[21:30:19] JenniferPerillo: I am totally sucked into #editorchat and still have a pile of dinner dishes in the sink.

[21:30:34] milehighfool: Q4: I think writing for the Web — a platform that caters to innovation — has forced me to write better bursts of short content #editorchat

[21:30:54] shortformernie: @milehighfool Yep, you got it. πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[21:31:13] anndouglas: @ErikSherman Point I made to author who called me for advice. #editorchat

[21:31:16] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast Is creativity paying off ina business sense? Yes! Same old same ol gets you same ol same & who can afford that? #editorchat

[21:31:22] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Same here. Otherwise I feel more like lazing around instead of working. #editorchat

[21:31:28] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Q4: Sure. PW editors following #amazonfail on Twitter got a story and quote up before anyone else. #editorchat

[21:31:34] Mike_Evans_: Newby here . Can y’all send links to some of your writing, so I can learn from y’all? #editorchat

[21:31:37] jesshatchigan: RT @joecortez Q4:Creativity always pays off in business:if I offer an angle or idea that someone else can’t, I’ll get business #editorchat

[21:31:38] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo Dishes will be there after 10pm unfortunately no innovation can zap that #editorchat

[21:31:38] ErikSherman: Q4: I can often research more efficiently and have additional markets for my writing, so, yes, tech can pay. #editorchat

[21:31:39] leanneclc: @irisjumbe honestly, it depends on how good the interview is…not if it’s exclusive. I think exclusive is pretty elusive today #editorchat

[21:31:44] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Me too on getting dressed. Gotta set parameters but get the feeling many are that regimented. #editorchat

[21:31:48] joecortez: @JenniferPerillo Bad idea to sacrifice pay to work at home in PJ’s — getting face time with clients is the best thing I do! #editorchat

[21:31:52] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast People pay for creativity. Therefore it’s worth it in a business sense. #editorchat

[21:31:57] IrisJumbe: Q4 Creativity of concept can definitely pay off in this climate, more so than creative content. Everyone is looking 4 new ideas #editorchat

[21:32:01] shortformernie: I think I’m bolder in my creativity on the Web. I think further outside the box and am willing to say no less. #editorchat

[21:32:06] SuburbNews: #editorchat Soc media tools are building stronger relationships with readers, subscribers. But still such a small % of readers so worth it?

[21:32:10] jennipps: @JenniferPerillo I try to tell people it’s addictive. Some don’t believe me though. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:32:10] LydiaBreakfast: @Mike_Evans_ We do links at the end of the chat #editorchat

[21:32:14] milehighfool: Still on Q4: Have you had success trying innovations that have boosted revenue or your personal income? #editorchat

[21:32:20] SuziSteffen: @rosefox Yeah, and then the site crashed like CRAZY! Unintended consequences of Twitter linkage. #editorchat

[21:32:25] anndouglas: @jennipps Should do that, too. Can’t do much more research until I do! #editorchat

[21:32:29] littlebrownpen: @jennipps @LydiaBreakfast Okay, so it’s not cool to work on the bed in yoga pants? I missed that memo. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:32:35] shortformernie: There’s a lot more reasons to say no to something in print. #editorchat

[21:32:46] WarLordwrites: RT @Mike_Evans_: Newby here . Can y’all send links to some of your writing, so I can learn from y’all? #editorchat

[21:32:51] jennipps: RT @IrisJumbe Q4 Creativity of concept can definitely pay off in this climate, more so than creative content. #editorchat

[21:32:59] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Waiting for Rosie to become a reality from the Jetsons! #editorchat

[21:33:12] jennipps: @littlebrownpen If it works for you, go for it! πŸ™‚ Just doesn’t work for me. #editorchat

[21:33:19] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Ha ha ha #editorchat

[21:33:22] marciamarcia: @milehighfool No doubt the web has honed my writing and tightening skills. [Even this sentence started w/ more characters] #editorchat

[21:33:24] JDEbberly: RT @IrisJumbe Q4 Creativity of concept can definitely pay off in this climate, more so than creative content. #editorchat

[21:33:30] anndouglas: RT @jesshatchigan Whose idea was it to combine word processing with the greatest distraction ever & the same keyboard? #editorchat

[21:33:34] Sirjohn_writer: RT @ErikSherman: Q4: I can often research more efficiently and have additional markets for my writing, so, yes, tech can pay. #editorchat

[21:33:34] milehighfool: @shortformernie How so? In terms of a query? #editorchat

[21:33:36] CMM_PR: Brevity and speed are also demanded in the hypernews, ‘always on’, online medium. Brings the need for creativity. #editorchat

[21:33:41] timecommander: @milehighfool Every reader of my blog is a success to me because of the fact that I produce unique content. So my answer is yes. #editorchat

[21:33:44] leanneclc: @Hergett I have to disagree about them being valuable – they aren’t staying in business so the community doesn’t see the value #editorchat

[21:33:46] jesshatchigan: @littlebrownpen @jennipps @LydiaBreakfast, I thought the fuzzy slippers were a guaranteed perk. #editorchat

[21:33:51] Hergett: @SuburbNews But the % of readers following is growing. What is small now, may not always be so. #editorchat

[21:33:52] rosefox: @SuziSteffen #editorchat I blame @wilw! But even with the crash, a lot of people saw our site, saw our ads; we got good buzz. #editorchat

[21:33:59] shortformernie: Q4: Heck, I came up with my approach to ShortFormBlog because I didn’t have anyone besides myself to say no to. #editorchat

[21:34:31] continuum_q5: @JDEbberly and time will have to adapt #editorchat

[21:34:36] Sirjohn_writer: RT @JenniferPerillo: I am totally sucked into #editorchat and still have a pile of dinner dishes in the sink.

[21:34:39] mhertz: Q4 My greatest creativity has been somehow finding freelance assignments after being laid off late last year. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:34:46] jennipps: @jesshatchigan Don’t know about fuzzy slippers, but going around in socks w/o shoes definitely is in my book. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:34:49] Mike_Evans_: thx @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat

[21:35:00] JDEbberly: @KBordessa Thanks! I hope I am over this bug by next wednesday! #editorchat

[21:35:23] shortformernie: @milehighfool In print, you have limited space. Online, the only limits are your imagination and not angering readers. #editorchat

[21:35:50] SuziSteffen: Great discussions, as usual, y’all. Off to feed the kitten & make dinner (and, @JenniferPerillo, do *breakfast* dishes πŸ˜‰ ). #editorchat

[21:36:08] jennipps: @shortformernie And attention spans count as a limitation sometimes. #editorchat

[21:36:10] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Ha ha, I actually used to do that when I worked at Random House (along with a few others) #editorchat

[21:36:12] christopherhire: RT @jesshatchigan: Q@: Whose idea was it to combine word processing with the greatest distraction ever & the same keyboard? #editorchat

[21:36:21] a2editor: @shortformernie …and the reader’s attention span. Is that not a significant limit? #editorchat

[21:36:29] goodiesformom: @mhertz ok, I need to hook up with you because we are looking at possible layoffs #editorchat

[21:36:33] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen Thanks for joining us Suzi #editorchat

[21:36:35] ErikSherman: @mhertz Ah, finding freelance work – mostly a matter of putting enough time into the marketing grind. #editorchat

[21:36:43] jesshatchigan: Q4 There are only 26 letters in the alphabet. Put them together creatively and you’ve got the latest bestseller. #editorchat

[21:36:46] anndouglas: When I’m writing for print, I feel constrained because I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:36:58] IrisJumbe: @mhertz That’s great to hear:) I quit my job to go fulltime freelance a little over a year ago so have to think on my feet too. #editorchat

[21:37:06] shortformernie: @jennipps @a2editor No disagreement there. πŸ˜› #editorchat

[21:37:06] jennipps: @ErikSherman ANd the day job seriously interferes with that. *s* #editorchat

[21:37:21] hotspringer: Oddly, a big chunk of creativity goes into marketing freelance work. #editorchat

[21:37:24] KBordessa: @anndouglas Absolutely agree about not being able to hyperlink! #editorchat

[21:37:27] anndouglas: RT @jesshatchigan There are only 26 letters in the alphabet. Put them together creatively and you’ve got the latest bestseller. #editorchat

[21:37:30] CMM_PR: @shortformernie Don’t you find that you are also limited in time to post? Content can become outdated so quickly. #editorchat

[21:37:36] marciamarcia: @anndouglas Heck, I feel constrained when I *read* print that I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:37:37] SuburbNews: @Hergett I’m all for soc media, stronger connections, two-way dialog. Hope biz model comes to support innovations. #editorchat

[21:37:43] jennipps: RT @jesshatchigan Q4 There are only 26 letters in the alphabet. Put them together creatively & you’ve got the latest bestseller. #editorchat

[21:37:44] ErikSherman: @IrisJumbe I’ve been freelancing for 13 years and supporting my family – it’s possible. #editorchat

[21:37:53] goodiesformom: @shortformernie I love that online you can make a post as long or as short as you want. #editorchat

[21:37:55] timecommander: @anndouglas Another example of how the internet changed us completely and in every way. #editorchat

[21:37:57] milehighfool: @anndouglas Good point. Hyperlinking saves a lot of words for me. #editorchat

[21:38:00] mhertz: @goodiesformom I’ll do what I can, but I’m still looking for more work, believe you me. Never-ending process. #editorchat

[21:38:01] LydiaBreakfast: Q5 where is the line drawn between writer, editor and community? Is it really good for writers if community writes content too? #editorchat

[21:38:14] rosefox: @anndouglas #editorchat That frustrates me so much! I’ve started thinking in hyperlinks. Printed text is confining now. #editorchat

[21:38:15] anndouglas: @jesshatchigan Jess, that #quote belongs in an #anthology of #quotes for #writers. #editorchat

[21:38:17] ErikSherman: @jennipps There’s the difference – it *is* my day job. #editorchat

[21:38:27] bob_bobala: RT @jesshatchigan There are only 26 letters in the alphabet. Put them together creatively and you’ve got the latest bestseller. #editorchat

[21:38:31] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Outstanding! That’s great to hear. #editorchat

[21:38:34] a2editor: @CMM_PR Agreed. B/c I’m an editor (like to get things right) I struggle w/ posting in a timely manner and being proud of my wk. #editorchat

[21:38:36] mathewi: RT @anndouglas: When I’m writing for print, I feel constrained because I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:38:47] KatPowers: RT@marciamarcia @anndouglas Heck, I feel constrained when I *read* print that I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:38:47] jennipps: @ErikSherman I’m trying to get to a point where it is mine. Making progress, but I’m not there yet. #editorchat

[21:38:48] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast Hey when did you work @ RH? I was at Crown from 96-02. Ad/promo, not editorial. #editorchat

[21:38:56] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Q5 The line is getting fuzzier all the time. #editorchat

[21:38:57] ErikSherman: @anndouglas #oy #editorchat

[21:38:58] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Mine too, for the last nearly ten years πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:39:02] solotraveler: RT @hotspringer: Oddly, a big chunk of creativity goes into marketing freelance work. #editorchat. sure does!

[21:39:19] marciamarcia: @jesshatchigan These days, for a bestseller, you often need to speak those 26 letters creatively too. #editorchat

[21:39:28] wordful: Hyperlinks are the currency of the web. #editorchat

[21:39:33] JDEbberly: RT @solotraveler: RT @hotspringer: Oddly, a big chunk of creativity goes into marketing freelance work. #editorchat. sure does!

[21:39:34] LydiaBreakfast: @debbieharry Just missed you then, 87-95 (#old) #editorchat

[21:39:55] jennipps: Q5 – Depends on the atmosphere fostered in the community. Was a member of 1 where it wasn’t good. Now a member of 1 where it is. #editorchat

[21:39:56] milehighfool: Q5: Finally to the community question. it’s the one that really bothers me. As the line gets fuzzy, the writer becomes optional. #editorchat

[21:39:58] mhertz: Q5 Excellent question, because I’m about to possibly take a job where that line will definitely blur. It’s a challenge. #editorchat

[21:40:08] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Q5: My background is science fiction/fantasy, where the writer/reader/community line always blurs… #editorchat

[21:40:10] shortformernie: @CMM_PR That’s my biggest constraint with ShortFormBlog. So I understand. πŸ˜› #editorchat

[21:40:22] IrisJumbe: @LydiaBreakfast Lydia, are you asking if writers feel threatened by community writers? #editorchat

[21:40:27] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast One of the many meanings of life is for interaction between animals. #editorchat

[21:40:30] bob_bobala: Q5 I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:40:41] jesshatchigan: @anndouglas, thanks, Ann. You made my day (chat?) πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:40:48] a2editor: Q5 Community can produce great content, but the craft of the writing gets lost, and only the editors and writers notice. Sad. #editorchat

[21:40:48] jodifur: @JenniferPerillo oh yeah. Totally me #editorchat

[21:40:53] jennipps: RT @bob_bobala Q5 I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:40:57] Hergett: @SuburbNews If papers want to survive, they have to change how they connect with social media. And I’m all for survival! #editorchat

[21:40:59] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat …and I’m in favor of that blurring. More content means more need for editors and anthologists. #editorchat

[21:41:04] continuum_q5: RT @timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast One of the many meanings of life is for interaction between animals. #editorchat it all starts somewhere.

[21:41:10] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast Were you @ little random? We’ll have to play six degrees sometime. #editorchat

[21:41:17] gmarkham: @SuburbNews the efforts for small % of readers now will pay off as the mediascape continues to change. #editorchat

[21:41:23] bob_bobala: @milehighfool It’s not the writer becomes optional. It’s that everybody becomes a writer. #editorchat

[21:41:30] LydiaBreakfast: @rosefox very interesting, we have not explored this fully and may be a topic in an upcoming discussion #editorchat

[21:41:41] anndouglas: @jesshatchigan Happy to hear that, Jess. It was brilliant. Couldn’t let it go un-hashtagged! #editorchat

[21:41:44] timecommander: @jesshatchigan She is really right. It is quite the unforgettable quote. #editorchat

[21:42:03] sooutdoors: Q5 #editorchat this is a troublesome issue. I can see how editors can be seduced by community content, but I feel it’s short term thinking.

[21:42:05] mathewi: RT @bob_bobala: I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:42:10] mhertz: @rosefox More content also means, unfortunately, more reason for publishers to charge less for said content. #editorchat

[21:42:12] LydiaBreakfast: @debbieharry Special Markets (dealt with all the imprints including Childrens and Outlet) #editorchat

[21:42:12] JenniferPerillo: And so the gal from Brooklyn blabs but forgot to say hi. I’m food editor at Working Mother & a freelance recipe developer #editorchat.

[21:42:17] marciamarcia: @a2editor Persnickety readers (and we probably all have them), notice too. #editorchat

[21:42:25] Shelbow: RT @bob_bobala Q5 I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:42:31] ErikSherman: @bob_bobala When everyone writes, the business advantage, now as always, comes from doing it better than most competitors. #editorchat

[21:42:32] SuburbNews: @gmarkham That’s what I’m banking on (and my husb and kids πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:42:36] JDEbberly: RT @bob_bobala: I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:42:37] IrisJumbe: @ErikSherman That’s my belief, too, Erik. Always encouraging to have it reinforced by someone with a lot of experience πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:42:39] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat That would be great. I can go on about this for hours. *grin* #editorchat

[21:42:40] CMM_PR: Q5 Writers and editors are trained and adhere to Journalistic standards. But community is free form, w/o parameters – new. #editorchat

[21:42:40] bob_bobala: @a2editor I agree it’s harder, but good writers should stand out from the din. #editorchat

[21:42:43] timecommander: @mhertz More content means less quality content. #editorchat

[21:42:48] Hergett: @LydiaBreakfast We’re trying to find ways to integrate community bloggers/writers into our paper site. More voices=more readers. #editorchat

[21:42:50] Dramagirl: RT @jg_rat: Q2 Wish I had time to write. Too busy innovating :o) #editorchat

[21:42:51] goodiesformom: @jennipps it is so true that often only writers/editors notice the bad but great writers still shine #editorchat

[21:42:53] a2editor: Q5 Community writers have a great opportunity to break into writing. Tough to stand out, tho… #editorchat

[21:42:56] wordful: RT @bob_bobala Q5 I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:43:00] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Interesting point. @rosefox’s idea, too. More content means more need for experts. #editorchat

[21:43:02] mhertz: @rosefox I meant to say “pay” less for said content. #editorchat

[21:43:08] anndouglas: @rosefox Very similar blurring of lines in pregnancy/parenting community. I also love it. #editorchat

[21:43:21] jennipps: RT @ErikSherman @bob_bobala When everyone writes, the business advantage, now as always, comes from doing it better than most #editorchat

[21:43:22] SuburbNews: #editorchat Q5: if it leads to more engaged, connected comm – & as long as citizen journos don’t replace all but a few paid journos – yes!

[21:43:37] LydiaBreakfast: @rosefox we’ll definitely have to connect on this one then – I’ll DM you for more info #editorchat

[21:43:38] ErikSherman: Sorry, didn’t introduce myself – freelance writer ,working in print, online, on stage, on demand, on deadline #editorchat

[21:43:45] bob_bobala: @timecommander Well, more content means it’s harder to find quality content, but there could actually be MORE quality out there. #editorchat

[21:43:47] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast i’m so tempted to start reeling off names, but i won’t. leave it for DMs! #editorchat

[21:43:51] IrisJumbe: @Shelbow Haha. Can’t argue with that. And I’m also with @littlebrownpen re: working in one’s PJ’s. So liberating πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:43:59] jesshatchigan: Q5 Writers are part of the community, but also observers/commentators – we wear 2 (3?) hats. #editorchat

[21:44:00] littlebrownpen: This all sounds very much like the business model for about.com cicra 2000. They were ahead of the game (I was an ed there). #editorchat

[21:44:16] rosefox: @mhertz #editorchat That assumes content is fungible. I disagree, and business plans with that assumption will fail. #editorchat

[21:44:26] wordful: @milehighfool more content indicates the value of the editor will surely rise on the web #editorchat

[21:44:40] marciamarcia: I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. via @bob_bobala #editorchat

[21:44:47] JDEbberly: RT @wordful: @milehighfool more content indicates the value of the editor will surely rise on the web #editorchat

[21:44:48] pam_baumeister: Hi all. I’ll be in and out here….but, wanted to introduce myself: I’m the editor/assoc. publisher of a woman’s magazine in UT #editorchat

[21:44:51] joecortez: Q5: Community Writers encourage communal discussion. But without editor, can also encourage misinformation. #editorchat

[21:44:53] jesshatchigan: RT @ErikSherman @bob_bobala When everyone writes, the business advantage, now as always, comes from doing it better than most #editorchat

[21:44:55] timecommander: @bob_bobala You have quite the optimistic view on life. #editorchat

[21:45:03] bob_bobala: @jennipps Yes, I really believe — at least where I work in technology — that content can be a differentiator. #editorchat

[21:45:07] littlebrownpen: About.com – Niche topic sites, community-driven content, non-professional writers with professional editors. Bought out by NYT. #editorchat

[21:45:08] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool More need for experts … but it takes a while for those who pay to recognize that need. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[21:45:13] tamera: How do you fund & provide access/ sources for a Sy Hersh under a citizen journo/ different model? #editorchat

[21:45:16] a2editor: @wordful You’d think so, but pubs are laying off editors before writers b/c they need content producers to survive. #editorchat

[21:45:20] milehighfool: @pam_baumeister You finally made it. Welcome, Pam. #editorchat

[21:45:20] anndouglas: @bob_bobala I love it when someone who doesn’t consider himself/herself a writer emerges w/powerful voice. #editorchat

[21:45:27] pam_baumeister: RT @joecortez: Q5: Community Writers encourage communal discussion. But without editor, can also encourage misinformation. #editorchat

[21:45:32] CMM_PR: @bob_bobala A great point. There’s also the issue of content ownership. #editorchat

[21:45:35] Mike_Evans_: Sorry, didn’t introduce myself – freelance writer ,working in print, online, on stage, #editorchat

[21:45:58] JenniferPerillo: @JoeCortez Personally, I don’t work in PJs but get the feeling others do. Just saying…#editorchat

[21:46:00] pam_baumeister: Hi @littlebrownpen! My alter-ego is @wasatchwoman #editorchat

[21:46:01] bob_bobala: @timecommander Ha ha. If only you knew me. #editorchat

[21:46:03] anndouglas: bob_bobala It’s such a joy to witness the spontaneous birth of a writer. #editorchat

[21:46:05] wordful: @a2editor then maybe editors should become writers as well…at least for now! #editorchat

[21:46:06] littlebrownpen: RT @joecortez: Q5: Community Writers encourage communal discussion. But without editor, can also encourage misinformation. #editorchat

[21:46:06] LydiaBreakfast: Then shouldn’t the community have a designated space not to be confused with the professional writers? #editorchat

[21:46:06] mhertz: @rosefox I hope you’re right, because I hear about more and more “$10 for 1,000 word” models out there. #editorchat

[21:46:17] pam_baumeister: @milehighfool Thanks for the welcome! Good to be here – finally. #editorchat

[21:46:26] KBordessa: @littlebrownpen As a writer, though, I avoid About.com sites. Not everyone does though, I suppose. #editorchat

[21:46:39] a2editor: @wordful That’s exactly what I did, lol. #editorchat

[21:46:41] anndouglas: @bob_bobala It’s such a joy to witness the spontaneous birth of a writer. #editorchat

[21:46:51] BeckyDMBR: @a2editor Yes, publications have been cutting editors and fact-checkers for decades. It’s hurt the biz. #editorchat

[21:46:53] timecommander: @bob_bobala A ton of things are differentiators though. Design, community, etc. You can’t really boil it done to content, IMO. #editorchat

[21:46:56] pam_baumeister: @LydiaBreakfast I agree with you, Lydia. The community needs to feel they have a voice, too. I let comm writers write online. #editorchat

[21:47:02] bob_bobala: @CMM_PR Yes, content ownership is a big one. When I worked at Motley Fool, we owned everything you wrote in our community. #editorchat

[21:47:07] milehighfool: To me, the real threat of innovation comes with ignoring the tools and refusing to experiment. In that sense, community is fuel. #editorchat

[21:47:42] wordful: @LydiaBreakfast that’s a good point — designate professional writers from community writers #editorchat

[21:47:51] littlebrownpen: @KBordessa Absolutely agree. The quality of the content was horrible. I avoid the sites as well. The model failed, really. #editorchat

[21:47:54] timecommander: @milehighfool That’s a great point. The other threat is that it’s used opposite of it’s intention. #editorchat

[21:47:57] LydiaBreakfast: @pam_baumeister Hello there, glad you could join in πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:48:02] AdinaGenn: @jesshatchigan q5 now is partiuclarly interesting for those of us struglling w/writing about the economy #editorchat

[21:48:12] leanneclc: @KBordessa I don’t avoid any sites…just weigh their content appropriately and check facts as needed…good kernels everywhere #editorchat

[21:48:17] rosefox: @mhertz #editorchat Constant Content won’t replace the NY Times; Make won’t replace engineering journals. There’s room for all. #editorchat

[21:48:31] bob_bobala: @timecommander Yeah I agree that all those can make your site/product stand out. Just saying content can really play a part. #editorchat

[21:48:35] milehighfool: @mhertz I’m not so sure that’s professional writing. Content bricklaying, perhaps. #editorchat

[21:48:36] pam_baumeister: @JenniferPerillo Ha! Working in PJ’s is never good for me. I feel I have to get “made up” to work. Especially @ the office. #editorchat

[21:48:48] a2editor: @BeckyDMBR Yes w/out editors, many writers’ work isn’t a lot better than community (sorry): harder to see value in paid content. #editorchat

[21:49:01] SpecialDee: If you’re new to TweetDeck, you can follow #editorchat by doing a Search which creates its own column for that chat.

[21:49:13] bob_bobala: @rosefox @mhertz Amen. I hope that is true. #editorchat

[21:49:14] jennipps: @milehighfool Content bricklaying – Good analogy. #editorchat

[21:49:38] marciamarcia: I bristle over suggestion to separate “real writers” from community writers. Imagine if we did that for tech dev or leadership. #editorchat

[21:49:49] jesshatchigan: @AdinaGenn, Hi Adina – in what way re Q5? #editorchat

[21:49:51] leanneclc: Isn’t writing kind of like running? You would do it anyway, because you can’t not (don’t tell those who pay you that, tho) #editorchat

[21:49:51] pam_baumeister: @a2editor I agree. Most community writers really need a good editor. Sadly, not all of them learn to self-edit. #editorchat

[21:49:52] IrisJumbe: RT @leanneclc I don’t avoid any sites. just weigh their content appropriately & check facts as needed. good kernels everywhere #editorchat

[21:49:56] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool Love it – “content bricklaying.” #editorchat

[21:49:59] mhertz: @milehighfool Content bricklaying. Nice. Sounds glamorous, no? #editorchat

[21:50:01] BeckyDMBR: @a2editor Yes, I’m seeing that a lot now. #editorchat

[21:50:06] anndouglas: RT @marciamarcia Heck, I feel constrained when I *read* print that I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:50:09] CMM_PR: @LydiaBreakfast Designating community vs professional writers could impact the perceived value of content. #editorchat

[21:50:31] ErikSherman: @a2editor Must agree – last time I did some significant editing, I was appalled at how copy came in. #editorchat

[21:50:33] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful I write because I can get paid to write. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:50:41] bob_bobala: @pam_baumeister Ha. I know a lot of “writer” writers who don’t self-edit and need to. #editorchat

[21:50:52] MonroeOnABudget: RT @anndouglas When I’m writing for print, I feel constrained because I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat *OMG I’ve felt that way too at times.

[21:51:03] pam_baumeister: @marciamarcia I don’t think we need to divide out “real writers,” from community writers. They need training/mentoring, though. #editorchat

[21:51:23] timecommander: Q6: How has editing made a difference to your writing skills? #editorchat

[21:51:24] jesshatchigan: @leanneclc. amen and shhhh. My lips are sealed. #editorchat

[21:51:24] BeckyDMBR: @ErikSherman I used to edit lawyers, so I’m not sure I’d be terribly surprised. Would I? πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:51:24] gmarkham: @Wordful I think the pros will stand out; rather than separate them, help those in community who want to be journos (not all do) #editorchat

[21:51:34] bob_bobala: @CMM_PR I think this really comes into play when subject matter experts are involved, like on taxes with TurboTax commmunity. #editorchat

[21:51:40] jlcommunication: @LydiaBreakfast Just joining in but what separates professional from com. writer? What if com is better then ‘pro’ #editorchat

[21:51:42] pam_baumeister: @bob_bobala I know a lot of those same “writer” writers. πŸ˜‰ I usually don’t use them more than twice in my pub. #editorchat

[21:51:42] AdinaGenn: @jesshatchigan meant to say writers r struggling w. the economy and writing about those struggling w. economy too #editorchat

[21:52:13] milehighfool: @marciamarcia Yes, but there is a difference between a well-researched article and a $5 rant. I want publishers to see that. #editorchat

[21:52:29] bob_bobala: @pam_baumeister Amen, sister. Writers, take note! #editorchat

[21:52:37] LydiaBreakfast: @jlcommunication I didn’t say they should be separated, it was a question for others to answer how they handle at their own pubs #editorchat

[21:52:39] JDEbberly: @QuickenPRChels I might just have to post that nugget on Twitter! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:52:42] wordful: @gmarkham yeah, HuffPo does this. They have a ton of guest bloggers. #editorchat

[21:52:55] ErikSherman: @BeckyDMBR Oh, that had to be interesting. #editorchat

[21:52:56] jennipps: @milehighfool I would hope that they do, but, of course, no guarantees. #editorchat

[21:52:57] anndouglas: RT @marciamarcia “I bristle over suggestion to separate “real writers” from community writers. [strongly agree: it’s rude] #editorchat

[21:52:58] joecortez: Q6: Editing forces me to take a second look: this makes me acknowledge my shortcomings, so I don’t repeat. Result: efficiency! #editorchat

[21:53:27] pam_baumeister: @jlcommunication good question. RT: what separates professional from community writer? What if com is better then ‘pro’ #editorchat

[21:53:28] jennipps: My computer hiccuped & had to restart Firefox. Can someone RT Q6 please? #editorchat

[21:53:41] karasw: RT @rosefox That frustrates me so much! I’ve started thinking in hyperlinks. Printed text is confining now. #editorchat

[21:53:43] ErikSherman: @milehighfool No, you want the publisher to see it and to care. The problem is that many don’t. #editorchat

[21:53:50] jlcommunication: @LydiaBreakfast Sorry. As I said, late to game. #editorchat

[21:54:11] pam_baumeister: @joecortez So true. I’ve learned so much as an editor. I can’t say that my writing is perfect, but I’ve learned what not to do. #editorchat

[21:54:12] marciamarcia: @laurakratochvil “Real writers write for the community.” Exactly. Thank you. #editorchat

[21:54:21] leanneclc: Then would “real” writers be like “real” artists? Only those who get paid are “real”? Hmmm history disagrees #editorch

[21:54:23] milehighfool: Killjoy warning: seven minutes left. Re-introduce yourself and post a link beginning at 9:55 pm. #editorchat

[21:54:36] SpecialDee: Do you think citizen journalism is the appropriate phrase for writers not employed by a news agency? #editorchat

[21:54:37] LydiaBreakfast: @jlcommunication no prob, just wanted to clarify for the others who thought it was a stance and not a question #editorchat

[21:54:40] JDEbberly: RT @marciamarcia: @laurakratochvil “Real writers write for the community.” Exactly. Thank you. #editorchat

[21:54:48] a2editor: @pam_baumeister If com is better than pro, they should be noticed and given a staff position. #editorchat

[21:54:57] jesshatchigan: @AdinaGenn, that is a good point. Thank you. #editorchat

[21:54:58] hotspringer: Generally, good writing proceeds from clear thinking. Good editing helps a writer think more so the reader has to think less. #editorchat

[21:55:14] jennipps: I try to self-edit. Will be going to a workshop on it at the end of the month, so that should help me out. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:55:14] goodiesformom: @pam_baumeister I learn so much more from editing and I think it has made me a much better writer. #editorchat

[21:55:23] littlebrownpen: Q6: I learned how to write much better thanks to a great (mean! tough! thorough!) editor. #editorchat

[21:55:35] joecortez: @pam_baumeister I’m still learning from editors present and past — some of them the best I know have been non-pro grammar cops! #editorchat

[21:55:36] a2editor: @pam_baumeister Note I said “should.” There are great writers not being paid anything. #editorchat

[21:55:37] wordful: RT @laurakratochvil “Real writers write for the community.” That pretty much sums that up….great stuff #editorchat

[21:55:42] bob_bobala: @pam_baumeister @jlcommunication If community is better than the pro, hire the community. #editorchat

[21:55:49] BeckyDMBR: @ErikSherman Yeah, I drank a lot. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:55:53] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Good point. And, as it happens, some of these publishers chalk up not caring to Innovation. #editorchat

[21:55:57] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Killjoy warning: seven minutes left. Re-introduce yourself and post a link beginning at 9:55 pm. #editorchat

[21:56:08] jesshatchigan: RT @hotspringer …. Good editing helps a writer think more so the reader has to think less. #editorchat

[21:56:12] IrisJumbe: Q6 I’ve always self-edited. Even b4 it was my job. It makes me conscious of space & helps keep the language succinct. #editorchat

[21:56:17] CMM_PR: @pam_baumeister A great quality of community is the newness of their approach to to the medium. Distinction from J’s is easy 2 c #editorchat

[21:56:20] SpecialDee: Special Sections editor of Maine newspaper http://specialdee.wordpress.com Great conversation tonight! #editorchat

[21:56:21] mhertz: Q6: As an editor (and copy editor), it takes me that much longer to write because I’m always editing (and copy editing) myself! #editorchat

[21:56:28] pam_baumeister: @a2editor Yes! Or, given regular writing assignments. I have lots of comm writers who think b/c they blog, they can write. #editorchat

[21:56:36] JenniferPerillo: RT @hotspringer: Good writing proceeds from clear thinking. Good editing helps a writer think more so reader has to think less. #editorchat

[21:56:40] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful What does HuffPo do? #editorchat

[21:56:41] AdinaGenn: @jesshatchigan especially as a freelance writer, chasing down invoices and looking for assignments is an art! #editorchat

[21:56:53] Hergett: RT @hotspringer Good writing proceeds from clear thinking Good editing helps a writer think more so the reader has to think less #editorchat

[21:56:59] marciamarcia: @milehighfool From a publisher’s perspective, a $5 rant can be more valuable. That’s what seems unfortunate. #editorchat

[21:57:06] LydiaBreakfast: @IrisJumbe Me too! #editorchat

[21:57:10] a2editor: Laura Cowan, freelance editor and writer working in book publishing and automotive media. Nice to see you all! Great topics. #editorchat

[21:57:14] leanneclc: So jealous of you who have had the ability to do one or the other…always worked for small companies, did both simultaneously #editorchat

[21:57:15] ErikSherman: @milehighfool It’s back to thinking of writing as content and, ironically, focusing more on the business than the audience. #editorchat

[21:57:18] littlebrownpen: Agree. Good writing = good thinking. Training not always relevant. #editorchat

[21:57:20] konadad: RT @littlebrownpen: Q6: I learned how to write much better thanks to a great (mean! tough! thorough!) editor. #editorchat

[21:57:22] CMM_PR: A blogger does not a writer make! #editorchat

[21:57:23] anndouglas: @leanneclc Agree. Some of the best writing I’ve done has been in support of causes I believe in. Not always $ involved. #editorchat

[21:57:36] jesshatchigan: @jennipps @milehighfool Content bricklaying – Good analogy. #editorchat ~have worked w engineers. Agree re good analogy.

[21:57:39] pam_baumeister: @joecortez Oh! I know! Those that can coach you on your grammar are the best editors. I owe a lot to some of my early editors. #editorchat

[21:57:39] JenniferPerillo: Ok, really need to get off twitter. The Mr. is getting cranky. Will catch last mins of #editorchat in the AM.

[21:57:41] wordful: @BeckyDMBR They have several contributing writers/bloggers. #editorchat

[21:57:55] LydiaBreakfast: OK tweeps time to reintroduce and send us your links #editorchat

[21:58:23] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo reintroduce yourself and send links #editorchat

[21:58:33] jlcommunication: @CMM_PR But can a writer also blog? #editorchat

[21:58:33] KatPowers: @marciamarcia I find I need the $5 rant to set me off on an investigation. That helps my work #editorchat

[21:58:41] JenniferPerillo: And for the record folks, I’m at the “office” dressed everyday. Just posed the PJ scenario b/c you know it’s happening! #editorchat

[21:58:41] SuburbNews: #editorchat Another question might be: what level of writing do readers want? Do they want citizen or pro-style? What if former?

[21:58:46] pam_baumeister: @CMM_PR True. Community writer’s can bring a freshness to a publication that seasoned writers sometimes lose. #editorchat

[21:58:54] a2editor: @pam_baumeister Now that’s a big topic to discuss in itself… #editorchat

[21:59:06] jennipps: Jen Nipps, fl writer in south Oklahoma. Contributor at TutorialBlog (www.tutorialblog.org/author/jen-nipps) Next article due Fri #editorchat

[21:59:08] CMM_PR: @jlcommunication Absolutely! #editorchat

[21:59:10] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful That’s about all they have. I believe HuffPo has 2000+ unpaid bloggers. #editorchat

[21:59:15] ErikSherman: Freelance covering business, technology, food, arts, and a few other things: http://www.eriksherman.com #editorchat

[21:59:16] wordful: Charles here…editor, writer and blogger. Very deflated today thanks to the IRS. More up to par next week on #editorchat

[21:59:18] JDEbberly: RT Oh! I know! Those that can coach you on your grammar are the best editors. I owe lot to some of my early editors #editorchat

[21:59:25] rosefox: #editorchat Rose Fox, PW book reviews editor, freelance medical journalist. Great talking with you! http://rosejasperfox.com #editorchat

[21:59:36] KBordessa: RT pam_baumeister @CMM_PR True. Community writer’s can bring a freshness to a publication that seasoned writers sometimes lose. #editorchat

[21:59:36] joecortez: @CMM_PR Blogger and Writer can be mutually exclusive — But not necessarily. Depends on the skill and ability of the wizard. #editorchat

[21:59:40] LydiaBreakfast: You are all welcome to continue the discusson at editorchat.wordpress.com but we’ve got to close shop here #editorchat

[21:59:46] pam_baumeister: RT: @CMM_PR A blogger does not a writer make! — If I had a dime for every blogger who has pitched me to write a column… #editorchat

[21:59:48] SuburbNews: #editorchat Of course, I don’t mean hard-hitting watchdog, investigations. But for other “news” is our writing style out of date? Q only

[21:59:48] JDEbberly: JD Ebberly. I write about blogging & New Media. I’ll update you on the same and much more at —> @JDEbberly #editorchat

[21:59:53] JenniferPerillo: @JenniferPerillo: Good night from Jennifer in Bklyn, NY. See ya at http://www.InJenniesKitchen.com! #editorchat

[22:00:03] leanneclc: @CMM_PR but a paid writer does not a “real” writer make either. Many bloggers have a long history in “professional writing” #edit

[22:00:03] unearthingasia: just joining #editorchat in time for.. reintroduction? did I miss the whole chat? 😦 Nik here, Editor for http://twurl.nl/4hus7r

[22:00:08] wordful: @BeckyDMBR well somebody is making money there… #editorchat

[22:00:09] mhertz: I’m Marc – freelance writer/editor/copy editor in SF Bay Area. Find me on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/b3/555 #editorchat

[22:00:10] milehighfool: @rosefox Thanks for joining, Rose. Engaging points. #editorchat

[22:00:12] ErikSherman: ‘Night, all. #editorchat

[22:00:15] IrisJumbe: RT @littlebrownpen: Good writing = good thinking. Training not always relevant. #editorchat [me: Agreed. but it can be useful too :)]

[22:00:16] littlebrownpen: Nichole Robertson, freelance writer. I also blog about my excursions to Paris here: http://littlebrownpen.blogspot.com/ #editorchat

[22:00:24] Mike_Evans_: How do I get the schedule for future editor chats #editorchat

[22:00:40] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for another great chat! Becky in Iowa … #editorchat

[22:00:40] mhertz: Thanks for the chat, everyone. Interesting discussions as always. #editorchat

[22:00:44] BaileyMcC: Bailey… writer/consultant/editor, etc. Managing Editor at http://www.civsourceonline.com #editorchat

[22:00:45] LydiaBreakfast: @mhertz Thanks for coming #editorchat

[22:00:45] JDEbberly: Thank you very much @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast for yet another SUPERB Editorchat! Look foward 2 next week! #editorchat

[22:00:53] timecommander: Hey. I’m Dan Miranda, the thirteen year old writer, blogger and editor. I hope you check out commandyourtime.com today! #editorchat

[22:00:55] joecortez: Thanks for the chat! I’m Joe Cortez: freelance journalist, writer, video producer/reporter. Follow me here; website coming soon. #editorchat

[22:01:06] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Night, thanks for coming #editorchat

[22:01:18] pam_baumeister: I might add that @littlebrownpen is funny and witty…I’ve read her stuff. #editorchat

[22:01:18] JDEbberly: @Mike_Evans_ Editorchat convenes on Wed nights from 830pm to 10pm EST #editorchat

[22:01:21] milehighfool: @Mike_Evans_ Please see editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[22:01:21] jlcommunication: Intro: Former journ and journ teacher. Now freelance copywrite, p.r., journ – and yes I blog. http://www.jalcommunication.com #editorchat

[22:01:24] sooutdoors: #editorchat Good night all, great topics as always drop in a visit me at http://www.sooutdoors.ca

[22:01:24] jennipps: @Mike_Evans_ Topics & transcripts are posted at https://editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[22:01:30] LydiaBreakfast: @Mike_Evans_ editorchat.wordpress.com has all the info and transcripts #editorchat

[22:01:32] goodiesformom: Lois Whittaker, newsletter editor/marketing by day – blogger by night http://www.goodiesformom.com #editorchat

[22:01:34] wordful: @timecommander you’ve got such a cool and intriguing Twitter name #editorchat

[22:01:35] a2editor: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Thanks for your work putting together the chat, topics, etc. Always nice to see you. #editorchat

[22:01:37] bob_bobala: Thanks, Tweeps. Bob Bobala, writer/editor at TurboTax, formerly at Motley Fool. Also publish at http://exitstrategypress.com/ #editorchat

[22:01:39] LydiaBreakfast: @joecortez Thanks Joe #editorchat

[22:01:40] MudslideMama: @Mike_Evans_ It’s always this time, this place (the lurker speaks!) #editorchat

[22:01:47] paradisekitten: Really enjoyed the comments and chat tonight! Thanks all! http://coffeeomancy.blogspot.com/ #editorchat

[22:01:47] marciamarcia: @pam_baumeister Agree “spontaneous writers” (new fave moniker) benefit from mentoring, training & editing. So do pros. #editorchat

[22:01:49] BeckyDMBR: @wordful Yes. The owner/publisher. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:01:49] pam_baumeister: I guess funny and witty could arguably mean the same thing…nicely done, Editor girl. #editorchat

[22:02:07] Hergett: Rachel Hergett, Bozeman, MT, editor by hiring, writer by choice, http://www.dailychronicle.com. Good night all. Back to work. #editorchat

[22:02:12] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Thanks for joining us πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:02:19] jennipps: Thanks to @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for their wonderful hosting. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:02:44] SuburbNews: Thanks for interesting #editorchat – best to everyone

[22:02:48] milehighfool: @a2editor Thanks, Laura. Glad you could make it. Thanks to everyone for participating. #editorchat

[22:02:54] timecommander: @wordful Thanks! I actually planned using it a long time and never got around to it. It was strictly a marketing decision. #editorchat

[22:02:56] anndouglas: Ann Douglas, author, blogger, columnist etc http://anndouglas.typepad.com/blogs/ Thx @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool #editorchat

[22:02:57] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps thanks for coming #editorchat

[22:03:10] rosefox: RT @jennipps Thanks to @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for their wonderful hosting. πŸ™‚ #editorchat #editorchat

[22:03:11] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Night πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:03:12] pam_baumeister: @marciamarcia like the moniker. And, I’m following you. #editorchat

[22:03:13] joecortez: jennipps: RT @jennipps Thanks to @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for their wonderful hosting. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:03:13] jesshatchigan: Thank you and good night from Jess in Ann Arbor, MI – http://www.hatchigan.com Great chat tonight. #editorchat

[22:03:14] hotspringer: Rebecca McCormick, freelance travel journalist and feature writer. http://tinyurl.com/RebMcC #editorchat

[22:03:14] jennipps: I’ve got to work on my next TutorialBlog article, so I will see everyone next week and on Twitter in the meantime. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:03:25] LydiaBreakfast: @anndouglas Thanks for coming Ann #editorchat

[22:03:28] IrisJumbe: I’m a writer/editor currently burrowing away in Shanghai. My blog: http://www.artonym.com. Thx 4 the chat & tips, everyone #editorchat

[22:03:40] LydiaBreakfast: @jesshatchigan Night Jess #editorchat

[22:03:41] pam_baumeister: Q: When is working with a “diva” writer worth it and when do you cut them loose? #editorchat

[22:03:42] jlcommunication: @timecommander Power of the internet is that Dan has ability to find audience and publish in ways I couldn’t fathom at his age. #editorchat

[22:03:43] frankspencer: RT @marciamarcia: If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[22:04:00] LydiaBreakfast: @IrisJumbe Thanks Shanghai Iris πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:04:06] jesshatchigan: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast, thank you for hosting #editorchat

[22:04:31] bob_bobala: @pam_baumeister When do you cut the diva loose? 10 minutes ago, Pam. #editorchat

[22:04:41] LydiaBreakfast: All, please feel free to post comments and further questions on editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[22:04:49] milehighfool: @jesshatchigan @anndouglas ‘Night Jess, Ann. #editorchat

[22:04:54] a2editor: @jesshatchigan I’m also in Ann Arbor. Small world. πŸ™‚ Nice chatting with you. #editorchat

[22:05:43] jacksonp2008: What is #editorchat

[22:05:45] milehighfool: @joecortez Thanks, Joe. We appreciate it. #editorchat

[22:05:46] timecommander: @jlcommunication I hope you find yourself enjoying some posts on there. Feel free to leave a comment or two. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:06:25] pam_baumeister: @bob_bobala I’m such a sap, Bob. I hate to hurt people…especially strong female writers. You’re giving me courage. #editorchat

[22:06:41] Hergett: RT @bob_bobala @pam_baumeister When do you cut the diva loose? 10 minutes ago, Pam. #editorchat

[22:06:47] IrisJumbe: @LydiaBreakfast Thank you, Lydia πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:06:58] jennipps: @JEFletcher I most definitely agree, on all counts but especially the last. πŸ™‚ Join us for #editorchat next week?

[22:07:00] LydiaBreakfast: Good night all and thanks so much for a wonderful chat, Lydia Dishman freelance biz journalist, lbdcommunications.blogspot.com #editorchat

[22:07:09] marciamarcia: Marcia Conner: Writer, editor, social media & learning strategist. http://www.marciaconner.com. Love learning from #editorchat

[22:07:27] pam_baumeister: @timecommander You look like you’re twelve. no offense. #editorchat

[22:07:32] jlcommunication: @timecommander Send your link again. I’m a former journ teacher and very excited to see young writers doing what you are. #editorchat

[22:07:36] KatPowers: Happy to stumble on #editorchat. In the real world, I’ve run out of teachers who can tolerate me. Not here

[22:08:16] milehighfool: ‘Night all. Great chat, as always. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, Quicken.com blogger, timbeyers dot com #editorchat

[22:08:32] timecommander: @pam_baumeister HA! I blame it on the short hair-cut. Even so, doesn’t it make it that much more impressive? πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:09:03] timecommander: @jlcommunication commandyourtime.com I’m happy to hear. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:09:25] SpecialDee: @LydiaBreakfast Thank you for the #editorchat tonight.

[22:10:10] tracymueller: Oooh, just noticed the #editorchat hashtag for the first time. Might have to check that out next week.

[22:10:15] konadad: @pam_baumeister Working with a diva writer is worth it only if the final product benefits the reader. #editorchat

[22:10:34] pam_baumeister: @timecommander Yeah. I am truly impressed if you are indeed twelve. #editorchat

[22:10:51] anndouglas: @BeckyDMBR I always assumed those bloggers were paid. #editorchat

[22:10:56] shirleybrady: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Hi Lydia & Tim – Looks like an interesting #editorchat tonight (caught tail-end of Q5) – sorry I missed!

[22:11:20] timecommander: @pam_baumeister As opposed to me actually being thirteen? #editorchat

[22:11:58] pam_baumeister: @konadad I guess so. But, if I have to make adjustments to when a story comes out, it never sits well w/ the diva. Painful 4 me. #editorchat

[22:12:06] continuum_q5: RT @timecommander: @pam_baumeister As opposed to me actually being thirteen? #editorchat it’s not about age it’s maturity;-)

[22:12:36] UTBubble: RT @pam_baumeister: Q: When is working w/ a “diva” writer worth it & when do u cut them loose? #editorchat NEVER & SOON-I’ve been th

[22:12:41] pam_baumeister: @timecommander Well…that’s impressive, too. I’m curious about what brings you to #editorchat #editorchat

[22:12:49] shortformernie: I fell off the wagon, but It was a good chat tonight guys. #editorchat

[22:12:56] ErikSherman: RT @anndouglas … heard today – some mega-bookstores want online video content for certain types book to stock title. #editorchat

[22:13:22] shortformernie: Ernie @shortformblog (http://shortformblog.com/), see you all next week! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:13:51] konadad: @pam_baumeister Yes, but the diva works for you — not the other way around. Tough, I know. #editorchat

[22:14:09] leanneclc: Another great #editorchat tonight. Really smart people, really good questions. Thank you all.

[22:14:19] timecommander: @pam_baumeister Wordful.com brought me here in literal sense…but seriously I edit for my middle school newspaper. #editorchat

[22:15:07] continuum_q5: @timecommander got to start somewhere #editorchat

[22:15:27] pam_baumeister: @konadad Good point. Thanks for the pep talk. I CAN do this! #editorchat

[22:16:05] pam_baumeister: @timecommander Smart kid. Good for you to be part of this community of writers/editors. #editorchat

[22:16:23] jlcommunication: @timecommander @pam_baumeister Dan’s perfect example of democratization of writing. The talent will rise to the top. #editorchat

[22:16:24] timecommander: @shortformernie Let me just say that I took one look at your blog… and it’s absolute gold. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:17:26] JDEbberly: @timecommander I’m following you and I will Tweet one of your blog articles tonight! GOOD JOB!! #editorchat

[22:17:59] timecommander: @pam_baumeister Thanks. I plan on writing/editing taking me far in life, why not start early. #editorchat

[22:19:03] timecommander: @JDEbberly Thanks! Hope you like the site. #editorchat

[22:21:04] JDEbberly: @timecommander Your blog is really interesting, I’m subscribing to it now in Google Reader and look forward to more! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[22:21:43] pam_baumeister: @jlcommunication True. Talent does rise to the top in this industry. That rise takes time, work and lots of patience, though. #editorchat

[22:21:52] a2editor: Srsly? There’s a carchat too? How can I choose between my beloved #editorchat and #carchat? Like a choice betwn peppermint and M&M cupcakes.

[22:22:02] hotspringer: @JenniferPerillo Thanks for the RT. Good to see you at #editorchat.

[22:22:39] pam_baumeister: @timecommander I’ll watch for your feature in Time Mag. ;o) Go for it! #editorchat

[22:23:09] joecortez: @pam_baumeister + @jlcommunication Agreed — talent is the result of hard work and dedication. How bad do you want it? #editorchat

[22:23:46] hotspringer: @JDEbberly Appreciated your input to #editorchat tonight. Thanks for the RT.

[22:24:28] michaelbanovsky: RT @a2editor: Srsly? There’s a carchat too? How can I choose between #editorchat n #carchat? Like a choice betwn peppermint and M&M cupcakes

[22:25:10] timecommander: @joecortez I’ll assume that question is directed toward me. How bad do I want it? I won’t stop writing. #editorchat

[22:25:23] Hergett: I meet the best tweeps at #editorchat

[22:25:53] shirleybrady: @timecommander You’re in middle school? And on #editorchat? Welcome (though likely have shoes older than you!) Will check out your blog

[22:26:32] joecortez: @timecommander It was a rhetorical question, but good answer — that drive will take you far – just hold on for dear life! #editorchat

[22:26:40] KBordessa: @leanneclc Good kernels everywhere, yes – but my patience is limited! πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[22:27:24] SuburbNews: @a2editor You are too funny about the carchat! Glad to meet you. #editorchat

[22:27:49] timecommander: @shirleybrady We have quite the funny one in you shirley. πŸ™‚ Hope you enjoy. #editorchat

[22:28:25] a2editor: @SuburbNews Nice to meet you too. See you next week? #editorchat

[22:28:53] wendyperrin: Did I miss #editorchat yet again?! 😦

[22:29:32] The_Economy: oooh i stumbled upon #editorchat. wonder if they can give me directions to #economychat. we must be in similar neighborhoods. #economy

[22:29:36] timecommander: @wendyperrin Oh, Wendy, you missed out. The discussion that goes on in these parts are extraordinary. #editorchat

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