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What We’re Planning to Discuss on 5/27

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We all know that fair pay is an issue for writers and money (or lack thereof) is an issue for publishers. Just this week in Crain’s New York we learned that $35K is the new black, errr $75K for author advances. Is this really the right move? Advertising, R&D and other business-building investments tend to pay off during a recession, reports The New Yorker‘s James Surowiecki. Are cost-conscious publishers blowing it by not investing now?

Perhaps the answer isn’t to invest more but to invest smarter. We’re seeing clever publishers return to the days of Dickens with serial books and e-books. We’ve seen TwitPay and TipJoy emerge as models for micropayments via Twitter. These and more have the potential to lead a radical revolution in pay models. What are you trying? Specifically, we are wondering:

  • Writers: are publishers plying you with new pay ideas? What’s the craziest pay model you’ve tried?
  • Editors: are you being asked to explore new and different pay models?
  • What models are working? Which aren’t? What are the roadblocks to success?
We’ll be discussing these questions and more tonight on #editorchat at 8:30pm EST.  Please drop us a comment in the box below if you have any other questions.

Written by LydiaBreakfast

May 27, 2009 at 7:16 pm

Transcript of #editorchat 4/15

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[20:30:11] milehighfool: And we’re live. Please introduce yourself when you join. #editorchat

[20:30:25] joecortez: @LydiaBreakfast I think I’ll be in good company then! 😀 #editorchat

[20:30:41] LydiaBreakfast: @wordful hey there, what time is it in your neck of the woods/ocean 😉 #editorchat

[20:30:56] JDEbberly: @BeckyDMBR Editorchat’ll be starting in under a minute, Becky! 🙂 #editorchat

[20:31:23] LydiaBreakfast: An official welcome from your co-moderator Lydia Dishman, freelance business journalist, also covering travel, food and style #editorchat

[20:31:30] wordful: Charles here of wordful.com in Kamuela, Hawaii. Aloha! @LydiaBreakfast it’s 2:30 pm. #editorchat

[20:32:15] joecortez: Hi Everyone! I’m a journalist turned freelance writer looking to learn about this crazy business from other great freelancers! #editorchat

[20:32:20] JDEbberly: Hello all! I’m JD Ebberly from North VA. I write pieces about blogging and New Media #editorchat

[20:32:21] milehighfool: Let’s get to the rules. No 1. Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.

[20:32:39] jennipps: Hi, everyone! Jen, fl writer in south Oklahoma, specializing in writing/creativity, plus-size issues, & (soon) health. #editorchat

[20:32:56] jennipps: Missed everyone last week! #editorchat

[20:33:09] milehighfool: And your other co-moderator, Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor now also blogging at Quicken.com #editorchat

[20:33:43] milehighfool: Rule No. 2. Stay on topic #editorchat

[20:34:10] wordful: I have an interest in niche content publishing and blogging. I’ve been an editor for 11 years, offline and online. #editorchat

[20:34:33] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat

[20:34:34] SuziSteffen: Yes! Home & organized enough to participate in #editorchat! Off to Tweetchat. If you don’t want to read these posts, use TwitterSnooze.com.

[20:34:40] JDEbberly: Tim Beyers ( @milehighfool ) now blogging at http://quicken.com #editorchat

[20:34:54] RBLevin: @milehighfool Hey congrats on the Quicken gig. When did that start? #editorchat

[20:35:09] mariaelenaduron: Hi all! Maria here…editor, columnist, blogger and work with both online + offline pubs. #editorchat

[20:35:13] littlebrownpen: Hi everyone. I’m Nichole Robertson, freelance writer and Copy Director for a European skin care brand #editorchat

[20:35:14] Colgo: Dropping in on #editorchat … hi everyone – Paul here, an online editor in Sydney

[20:35:17] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen Yay, glad you could make it! #editorchat

[20:35:24] KBordessa: Hi. Kris Bordessa, travel and parenting freelancer for national magazines. Trying to keep up & cook dinner @ same time. #editorchat

[20:35:39] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat

[20:35:43] LydiaBreakfast: @Colgo Hey Paul, many thanks for joining #editorchat

[20:35:54] sooutdoors: Good evening all, Lloyd here from Southern Ontario OUtdoors. Writer and Past President of Outdoor Writers of Canada #editorchat

[20:35:59] mhertz: Hey everyone. Freelance writer/editor/copy editor in San Francisco Bay Area, working in a variety of industries. #editorchat

[20:36:02] milehighfool: @RBLevin Hey Rich. Started today. I’ll post a link later. #editorchat

[20:36:02] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Hey Nichole, we missed you last time #editorchat

[20:36:19] jesshatchigan: H’lo, all – Jess, writer based in Ann Arbor, MI. #editorchat

[20:36:21] LydiaBreakfast: @KBordessa Thanks for joining, cook us some too pls 😉 #editorchat

[20:36:38] jennipps: @milehighfool woohoo!! COngrats! 🙂 #editorchat

[20:36:44] LydiaBreakfast: @mhertz welcome 🙂 #editorchat

[20:36:45] travelinggal: Hello, hello. Apryl Thomas, freelance writer/travel blogger in northeast Georgia. Just trying to keep it all together. #editorchat

[20:36:52] LydiaBreakfast: @jesshatchigan Hey Jess, thanks for coming 🙂 #editorchat

[20:36:53] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen Welcome back, Nichole. In Paris today, or New York? #editorchat

[20:37:06] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Lloyd, always a pleasure 🙂 #editorchat

[20:37:07] littlebrownpen: @LydiaBreakfast I missed editorchat when I was in NYC two weeks ago. I shook from the withdraw. 😉 #editorchat

[20:37:14] mhertz: And, sorry, my name is Marc Hertz. #editorchat

[20:37:24] LydiaBreakfast: @travelinggal Hello Apryl, welcome 🙂 #editorchat

[20:37:29] milehighfool: @travelinggal Hello Apryl. Glad you could join us. #editorchat

[20:37:34] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool LOL. In PA at the moment. Will be in Paris again in June. Tough life I have, huh? #editorchat

[20:37:40] jennipps: @travelinggal Sometimes trying to keep it all together is like two full-time jobs in one. #editorchat

[20:37:45] carlazanoni: Hi there. I’m a bilingual freelance journalist living in New York City. #editorchat

[20:37:55] milehighfool: @jennipps Thanks, Jen. It’s a nice win for me. #editorchat

[20:38:03] jg_rat: John Grey, editor of couriermail,.com.au #editorchat

[20:38:04] travelinggal: @littlebrownpen lucky you #editorchat

[20:38:06] LydiaBreakfast: Sorry if I missed personally greeting anyone #editorchat

[20:38:06] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw

[20:38:10] SuziSteffen: Hey all. Suzi here, arts & special sections editor for Eugene, Ore alt-weekly, freelancer & j-school adjunct. #editorchat

[20:38:24] jennipps: @littlebrownpen Can I hide away in your suitcase and go too? I went to Paris in 1998 and would *love* to go back! #editorchat

[20:38:27] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen Seriously 🙂 #editorchat

[20:38:34] travelinggal: @jennipps it doesn’t help that I was gone last week to a conference. My brain has been mushy all this week. #editorchat

[20:38:40] kwagg: sorry joining late … Kristen editor at small community paper in KC area #editorchat

[20:38:53] mhertz: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for the welcome! #editorchat

[20:39:08] littlebrownpen: @jennipps Sure. I travel very light, so you’d fit right in. #editorchat

[20:39:13] LydiaBreakfast: @kwagg not late, we are just getting started, welcome #editorchat

[20:39:34] milehighfool: Welcome everyone. Should be a great chat tonight. Seems like the new time works well? #editorchat

[20:39:42] KBordessa: @travelinggal I’d take conference fuzz to flu fuzz any day! Blech #editorchat

[20:39:48] jennipps: @travelinggal I don’t have that excuse. My brain was just mushy in general last week. *s* #editorchat

[20:39:53] kwagg: @LydiaBreakfast thanks, first time joining in, actually. #editorchat

[20:40:02] jennipps: @littlebrownpen Oooohhh, tempting. 🙂 #editorchat

[20:40:21] travelinggal: @KBordessa bless your heart! Are you feeling any better? #editorchat

[20:40:37] JDEbberly: @KBordessa Yeah KB, I know all about that flu fuzz. This strain makes you all weak. Ugh. #editorchat

[20:40:38] LydiaBreakfast: Ok tweeps we are going to jump in to the questions, please refer to the Q# so we all know what you are referring to #editorchat

[20:40:56] jennipps: @milehighfool Great for me! I’d been kind of scrambling to make 7:00. Tonight was impossible and I thought I was super late. 🙂 #editorchat

[20:41:07] Sirjohn_writer: #editorchat new to this chat, but write international articles. It is good to meet everyone for the first time.

[20:41:16] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Please refer to the Q# so we all know what you are referring to #editorchat

[20:41:25] KBordessa: @travelinggal Oh, you southern girl! 😉 Yes, on the mend, catching up. #editorchat

[20:41:31] travelinggal: @Sirjohn_writer welcome #editorchat

[20:41:35] wordful: @milehighfool I like the old time better. #editorchat

[20:41:40] LydiaBreakfast: Q 1 Innovation is often good, + may help save the publishing industry from itself. But is all innovation good, or necessary? #editorchat

[20:41:51] milehighfool: @Sirjohn_writer Glad you could make it, sir. Welcome. #editorchat

[20:41:53] JDEbberly: @Sirjohn_writer Welcome to Editorchat, SirJohn! You are definitely welcome here! 🙂 #editorchat

[20:42:00] jg_rat: Currently wrestling with legal issues – a harsh suppression order in another AU state is causing us grief (and fear of contempt) #editorchat

[20:42:03] jennipps: RT @LydiaBreakfast Please refer to the Q# so we all know what you are referring to. #editorchat

[20:42:17] travelinggal: @KBordessa It is that obvious? Next, I’ll be showing up on your doorstep with homemade chicken soup. #editorchat

[20:42:36] LydiaBreakfast: @jg_rat legal issues over innovation, or something else? #editorchat

[20:42:42] kwagg: Q1 innovation is good, but still using the basics is necessary. writing skills, understanding of news, etc. #editorchat

[20:42:52] jennipps: Q1 – If you strive for innovation just for the sake of innovation, you’re doing it for the wrong reasons. #editorchat

[20:43:35] milehighfool: @kwagg Agreed. But what about format innovations. Example: Should we be writing for the super-small screen? (iPhone, etc.) #editorchat

[20:43:48] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Good point. Innovation for innovation sake, not the point. #editorchat

[20:43:48] jennipps: Q1 – and innovation for the sake of innovation is not good and can complicate/break what worked beforehand. #editorchat

[20:43:51] jg_rat: @LydiaBreakfast Supreme Court has made wide suppression order that makes 100s of archived online stories dangerous #editorchat

[20:43:53] sooutdoors: Q1 I wouldn’t necessarily sat innovation itself is necessarily always good but it is necessary. Stagnate and die. #editorchat

[20:43:56] gmarkham: Hi. Mark Hamilton, journalism instructor and former editor. #editorchat

[20:43:57] a2editor: Hello, editorchat. Looking forward to the conversation on innovation tonight. #editorchat

[20:44:02] SuziSteffen: Q1 I think the editorial meeting in East Bay Express’ “Saving Newspapers” video says a lot abt innovation: http://is.gd/qlfZ #editorchat

[20:44:15] JDEbberly: Q1 Innovations for the small iPhone screen are in order #editorchat

[20:44:15] wordful: There’s nothing uncommon about evolving technology, but writers/editors/publishers still need to focus on content and audience. #editorchat

[20:44:16] mariaelenaduron: Q1: Some innovation gets in the way+can even make UR pub cloudy + difficult 2 read. I agree w/@jennipps, must fulfill real need. #editorchat

[20:44:19] LydiaBreakfast: @a2editor Hey there, we missed you 🙂 #editorchat

[20:44:29] jennipps: @milehighfool I think there are/will be people who can write for super small screen, but I doubt I’m among them. *s* #editorchat

[20:44:30] jg_rat: Q1 It’s all about storytelling, isn’t it? #editorchat

[20:44:52] milehighfool: Mark, Laura, glad you could make it. Your take on publishing innovation? How necessary is it? #editorchat

[20:44:56] kwagg: @milehighfool IMO keeping that in mind is important but you can’t forget the basics in the process diminshs product otherwise #editorchat

[20:45:02] SuziSteffen: I also think it’s hard to know what “innovations” will work, so we’re all trying everything that we can. #editorchat

[20:45:04] a2editor: @LydiaBreakfast Hi, thanks. Missed my editorchat tweeps last week. 🙂 #editorchat

[20:45:05] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps don’t you think twitter’s 140 char. limitation helps that? #editorchat

[20:45:06] wordful: @mariaelenaduron good point #editorchat

[20:45:11] spencerspellman: Not as much Twittering today, busy busy. Sad that I’m missing #editorchat

[20:45:11] mhertz: Q1 @milehighfool I suppose a writer just need to know what medium he/she is writing for and adjust accordingly #editorchat

[20:45:12] carlazanoni: Q1 I always thought the basics were more important than innovative tools, now finding so many eds are interested in the latter. #editorchat

[20:45:54] shortformblog: Q1: If you’re not innovating, you’re not thinking. Simple as that. I think you’d have to be crazy to not think forward. #editorchat

[20:46:00] milehighfool: @SuziSteffen Hey Suzi. Assuming we don’t have time to watch now, what’s the takeaway? #editorchat

[20:46:05] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen Do you think that can lead to a mash of not-very-usable content? #editorchat

[20:46:11] mariaelenaduron: RT @wordful There’s nothing uncommon bout evolving technology,but writers/editors/publishers need 2 focus on content+audience #editorchat

[20:46:22] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast It definitely does. So in that light, I might be among the small-screen format writers eventually, but not yet. #editorchat

[20:46:24] SpecialDee: Special Sections editor http://www.sunjournal.com Maine newspaper, joining the convo. #editorchat

[20:46:27] a2editor: @milehighfool I think innovation is necessary (and inevitable), but can create messes in times of transition. #editorchat

[20:46:28] shortformblog: Q1: But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be a good editor of what innovations make most sense. #editorchat

[20:46:30] joecortez: Q1: Innovation is only innovation when it actually serves a purpose that will improve the industry. Otherwise, its just clutter. #editorchat

[20:46:36] spencerspellman: @LydiaBreakfast Hope #editorchat goes well. Sad I’m missing it. BTW, I’ve got to give you props for the Firefly Tea comment, could use one

[20:46:37] jg_rat: @mhertz @milehighfool Q1But writers should be writing for multiple platforms? #editorchat

[20:46:47] jennipps: @spencerspellman Darn! We’ll miss you. #editorchat

[20:46:48] milehighfool: @mhertz I think this is possibly the biggest issue, and what may be behind the devaluing of Web content. #editorchat

[20:46:59] bob_bobala: Q1 Innovate or die. I don’t think there’s a choice. (Sorry, still working here on the West Coast.) #editorchat

[20:47:04] Shelbow: Hi #editorchat. I’m Shelly, a Web content consultant and former book editor in San Diego.

[20:47:04] JDEbberly: @SpecialDee Welcome to Editorchat, Dee! 🙂 #editorchat

[20:47:06] mariaelenaduron: @SuziSteffen LOL!! Am watching the video right now – thanks! #editorchat

[20:47:19] milehighfool: RT @joecortez: Q1: Innovation is only innovation when it actually serves a purpose that will improve the industry. #editorchat

[20:47:26] carlazanoni: @a2editor Completely agree about the mess it can make. #editorchat

[20:47:29] LydiaBreakfast: @spencerspellman hee hee, I am still waiting for my tumbler 🙂 #editorchat

[20:47:33] SuziSteffen: @LydiaBreakfast Not really. Online, people will read/watch/listen to what’s interesting and filter out the rest. Print=diff tho. #editorchat

[20:47:38] shortformblog: BTW, came in a little late. Ernie Smith, designer, Wash. Post Express, creator of ShortFormBlog (http://shortformblog.com/) #editorchat

[20:47:48] jennipps: RT @shortformblog Q1: If you’re not innovating, you’re not thinking. Simple as that. I think you’d be crazy to not think fwd #editorchat

[20:47:59] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala Hey Bob, thanks for joining (at work!) #editorchat

[20:48:02] littlebrownpen: Q1 – Innovation without value is noise. #editorchat

[20:48:11] mhertz: Q1 I suppose the problem these days may be the speed of innovation and trying to keep up with them all. #editorchat

[20:48:11] JDEbberly: RT @joecortez: Q1: Innovation is only innovation when it actually serves a purpose that will improve the industry. #editorchat

[20:48:36] jg_rat: @SuziSteffen Q1 Don’t you think readers filter when they read paper? #editorchat

[20:48:41] sooutdoors: RT @littlebrownpen: Q1 – Innovation without value is noise. #editorchat

[20:48:43] bob_bobala: @carlazanoni The mess can be good… isn’t twitter just a big mess?! #editorchat

[20:48:46] jennipps: Agreed! RT @littlebrownpen Q1 – Innovation without value is noise. #editorchat

[20:48:56] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Hey Bob. Glad you could make it. #editorchat

[20:48:59] Shelbow: @bob_bobala what are you doing at #editorchat on tax day?? ~Shelly

[20:49:06] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Glad to be here! #editorchat

[20:49:09] SuziSteffen: Q1 Yes. Students and recent grads tell me they need to learn coding. Wish I had time for all of that +, you know, work. #editorchat

[20:49:12] jg_rat: @mhertz Q1 Re keeping up, I am in constant state of future fatigue #editorchat

[20:49:13] jennipps: @mhertz And differentiating between the wheat and the chaff. #editorchat

[20:49:21] jenwillis: Apologies for my tardiness. I’m having connection/processor sluggishness. #editorchat

[20:49:26] mariaelenaduron: RT @littlebrownpen Q1 – Innovation without value is noise. <Amen!> #editorchat

[20:49:31] Colgo: Q1 Must say I agree with @bob_bobala who said: Innovate or die. I don’t think there’s a choice. #editorchat

[20:49:40] LydiaBreakfast: @jg_rat They might skip sections not of interest to them, but the line between editorial and ads might make it difficult #editorchat

[20:49:50] milehighfool: Q1 So if we agree that innovation without value is noise, how do we add value? #editorchat

[20:49:59] JDEbberly: RT @mhertz: Q1 I suppose the problem these days may be the speed of innovation and trying to keep up with them all. #editorchat

[20:50:02] jennipps: @Colgo But don’t you think there’s still a line of when innovation becomes cumbersome? #editorchat

[20:50:05] LydiaBreakfast: @jenwillis no problem, jump in as you can #editorchat

[20:50:10] SuziSteffen: @jennipps But how will you know, in advance, what innovation is noise and what is value? Or what @milehighfool said. #editorchat

[20:50:20] RBLevin: @wordful They also need to expand skill sets beyond word proc. Video, audio, design, lite coding are crucial skills for writers. #editorchat

[20:50:26] gmarkham: Q!: But there’s often no way to fully evaluate innovation until it’s been tried. #editorchat

[20:50:28] bob_bobala: @Shelbow Shelly, my job is done! I handed off to the TurboTax web team weeks ago. 🙂 #editorchat

[20:50:37] carlazanoni: @bob_bobala But if I find this hard to follow and I’m 34 and educ., how about the the afflicted we’re supposed to comfort? #editorchat

[20:50:43] mariaelenaduron: @Colgo I agree w/innovation 2 as long as it serves a purpose. If it takes away from content+ value of pub 2 audience, then why? #editorchat

[20:50:43] SuziSteffen: @jg_rat Of course we all filter when we read, but changing too much too fast in print can lead to Very Angry Readers. #editorchat

[20:50:43] milehighfool: Another example: Community. Isn’t it what do you with, and how you engage with, the community that maters? #editorchat

[20:50:52] jennipps: @SuziSteffen THere’s the rub. lol. I don’t know. I think it’s a matter of personal preference/usability. #editorchat

[20:50:58] a2editor: Value is what it always was IMO: Inform, inspire, entertain. Just do it in new and more useful, convenient, creative ways. #editorchat

[20:51:03] marciamarcia: #editorchat

[20:51:11] timecommander: Innovation is only the start of technology. #editorchat

[20:51:16] jobsearchcoach: RT @JoeCortez: Q1: Innovation is only innovation when it serves purpose that will improve industry. Otherwise, its just clutter. #editorchat

[20:51:27] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Another example: Community. Isn’t it what do you with, and how you engage with, the community that maters? #editorchat

[20:51:28] SuziSteffen: Q1 But, @lydiabreakfast, I do want to keep that wall b/t ad and copy. Yipes otherwise. #editorchat

[20:51:35] bob_bobala: @SuziSteffen That’s interesting about the coding, Suzi. I work for TurboTax and would get more done if I could code. #editorchat

[20:51:37] jg_rat: @SuziSteffen People hate change. Peope love change. #editorchat

[20:51:41] SpecialDee: Q1: I can’t have conversations w/paper but can w/peeps, thus building of an online community in real time is good, but how to? #editorchat

[20:51:43] gmarkham: @joecortez do you have a definition for “improve the industry”? #editorchat

[20:51:49] Colgo: Q1 Modern platforms offer so much room for innovation that … all innovation is good – failures will result in good lessons #editorchat

[20:51:51] milehighfool: @RBLevin This is precisely my point. For writers, knowing the medium seems to be amost as important as knowing the content. #editorchat

[20:51:55] littlebrownpen: RT @a2editor Value is what it always was: Inform, inspire, entertain. Just do it in new and more useful, convenient, creative w #editorchat

[20:52:00] jennipps: RT @a2editor Value is what it always was: Inform, inspire, entertain. Just do it in new & more useful, convenient, creative ways #editorchat

[20:52:20] mariaelenaduron: @SuziSteffen Think U need 2 have feedback of real readers. It’s a mistake 4 any1 2 speak 4 their end user (customer) + assume. #editorchat

[20:52:21] jg_rat: @SpecialDee Q1 Social media may be part of the answer #editorchat

[20:52:26] milehighfool: @Colgo Interesting point. But only if you move fast to correct mistakes, yes? #editorchat

[20:52:29] wordful: @RBLevin yes as writers/editors we need to be mindful of innovation. no use stopping or fighting it…just focus on value #editorchat

[20:52:34] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala the question then becomes, how much are we required to do? #editorchat

[20:52:35] shortformblog: Let me dig it up, but I was just reading a story about Dallas laying off people they trained to innovate in video. Absurd. #editorchat

[20:52:35] bob_bobala: @carlazanoni Yeah, it’s not easy. I’m not making that argument. #editorchat

[20:53:00] RBLevin: @milehighfool Always has been. Only today, the medium is much more complex than a page. #editorchat

[20:53:02] jesshatchigan: @gmarkham Q1 Trial and error is part of innovation. The chaff falls by the wayside. #editorchat

[20:53:05] shortformblog: What the DMN did, that’s not useful innovation. Do not train people in innovative things only to lay them off. #editorchat

[20:53:19] joecortez: Q1: @milehighfool We add value in improving content: using technology to make what we write more interactive; more insightful. #editorchat

[20:53:24] Shelbow: Q1 I’d say keep your eye on the objective — e.g. making something easier to accomplish or understand– then innovate. #editorchat

[20:53:40] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast How much innovation or technology work are we required to do? #editorchat

[20:53:51] wordful: @milehighfool that’s right! A 21st century editor needs to embrace innovation in order to thrive. #editorchat

[20:53:55] kwagg: RT @Shelbow Q1 I’d say keep your eye on the objective — e.g. making something easier to accomplish or understand– then innovat #editorchat

[20:53:58] SuziSteffen: @LydiaBreakfast Q1 About how much we’re required to do, absolutely! #editorchat

[20:54:02] Colgo: @jennipps I think the editor’s role as a manager should be to provide a platform for agile innovation #editorchat

[20:54:17] bob_bobala: @Shelbow Q1 yes, that’s always job #1. #editorchat

[20:54:17] milehighfool: @jesshatchigan Does the chaff always fall away? I’m not so sure. if it were so, wouldn’t newspapers have figured out online? #editorchat

[20:54:19] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala tech work, I mean, should I go and take classes on CSS and HML #editorchat

[20:54:36] earleyedition: Watching a bit of #editorchat stream. Check it out if you’re into online journ issues

[20:54:45] SpecialDee: Q1 Innovation: How do you feel about online communities following specific bylines? #editorchat

[20:54:57] LydiaBreakfast: I meant HTML #editorchat

[20:55:00] jennipps: @milehighfool True. I think the ones that pay attention, even a little bit, would have. #editorchat

[20:55:01] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: tech work, I mean, should I go and take classes on CSS and HML #editorchat

[20:55:24] jesshatchigan: Q1 Good writers have been innovating since we began scratching symbols on cave walls. #editorchat

[20:55:25] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast I think it depends how much you need a job and how versatile you want to be. #editorchat

[20:55:25] Colgo: @mariaelenaduron Sure, but I think you have to have room to think laterally about what the content is and what audiences want #editorchat

[20:55:32] jennipps: @Colgo Which would make things easier for people on both sides of the desk, I assume? #editorchat

[20:55:33] continuum_q5: RT @timecommander: Innovation is only the start of technology. #editorchat the Tech effect now with the human element

[20:55:34] joecortez: @gmarkham Innovation = tools that make us more efficient or our jobs better, or adds more value to the content we put together. #editorchat

[20:55:34] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee writers becoming brands is all part of the innovation equation #editorchat

[20:55:37] dodgemedlin: @shortformblog Spokane S-R has had issues like that too. Their video dept. was going great guns for a while, but no more. #editorchat

[20:55:38] leanneclc: Time to discount “the medium is the message” will pay for good, in depth, smart content either in writing, online, TV, or radio. #editorchat

[20:55:45] JDEbberly: RT @wordful: @milehighfool that’s right! A 21st century editor needs to embrace innovation in order to thrive. #editorchat

[20:55:56] wordful: @milehighfool no need for CSS and HTML classes….just go to the people who specialize in it. #editorchat

[20:56:13] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast HTML I can do. CSS is Greek to me. I can’t make heads nor tails of it. I think a class is in order for me. #editorchat

[20:56:16] littlebrownpen: Very often wheat and chaff duke it out … #editorchat

[20:56:21] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Everything else being equal, that is. #editorchat

[20:56:33] Sirjohn_writer: #editorchat with the advancement of the computer translators it still amazes me that my articles can be recopied without guilt

[20:56:37] gmarkham: @jesshatchigan exactly. fear of failure is too ingrained in media culture; limits innovative attempts #editorchat

[20:57:01] wordful: We need to know what technology and innovation is needed but we don’t need to know how it works. #editorchat

[20:57:09] Shelbow: Speaking of innovation, have you all seen SDNN.com? They’re working hard at innovating the news industry. #editorchat

[20:57:09] milehighfool: Back to the Dark Side. Is the failure of newspapers to monetize online a failure of innovation? #editorchat

[20:57:12] sooutdoors: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat You don’t need to become an expert but some basic knowledge is certainly helpful these days.

[20:57:15] jennipps: @gmarkham And thus almost ensuring failure. #editorchat

[20:57:39] gmarkham: @JoeCortez thanks #editorchat

[20:57:59] mariaelenaduron: @Colgo Agreed! Think we need 2 B mindful that innovation doesn’t = quality.Might have 2 wait 4 more innovation, 2 get quality. #editorchat

[20:58:01] jesshatchigan: @milehighfool, in what sense? How to make a business equation of online? #editorchat

[20:58:03] mhertz: Does innovation when it comes to newspapers thus mean going online and stuffing it with ads and/or charging users? #editorchat

[20:58:03] mikhailg: @littlebrownpen I thought editors separate the wheat from the chaff and then print the chaff. #editorchat

[20:58:03] bob_bobala: Q1 If talent was equal, I would hire someone with HTML, etc. skills over someone without them. #editorchat

[20:58:05] leanneclc: How can we be debating innovation? Some of the most successful media is very simple – Charlie Rose, NPR Radio, New Yorker…#editorchat

[20:58:13] SpecialDee: @jakrose Newspaper people: let your fans spread your bylined stories, create community http://is.gd/s8l6 #editorchat

[20:58:16] milehighfool: @littlebrownpen And doesn’t chaff sometimes win? #editorchat

[20:58:18] wordful: Dark Side: newspapers are too journalistic. They need to be more personal and community minded. Look at HuffPo. #editorchat

[20:58:24] jennipps: @milehighfool Not necessarily. Some have tried to go online and still not made it. #editorchat

[20:58:29] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala I’m starting class tomorrow 😉 #editorchat

[20:58:42] SuziSteffen: @milehighfool Re innovation: I don’t know. Even if so, is it writer/editors at fault? We don’t sell the ads or design the web. #editorchat

[20:58:43] sooutdoors: @milehighfool I would absolutely agree with that statement. Many are now addressing issues that needed attention years ago. #editorchat

[20:58:50] jennipps: @leanneclc BUt even in their simplicity, they still make use of some technological advancements/innovations. #editorchat

[20:58:58] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool I’ve thought about this often. I think it is a failure, sadly. #editorchat

[20:59:10] SpecialDee: @briansolis Nice job re Statusphere & friends of friends http://is.gd/n85u #editorchat

[20:59:23] dodgemedlin: @mhertz Charging users is not innovation. #editorchat

[20:59:25] wordful: @Shelbow yes, I agree. Perhaps I’m getting innovation mixed up w/technology…? #editorchat

[20:59:33] littlebrownpen: @mikhailg Very true. #editorchat

[20:59:39] milehighfool: @jesshatchigan Right. Surely the Web is a phenomenal distribution mechanism. For newspapers, it has zero value. #editorchat

[20:59:41] rosefox: Joining late–hi all. I’m a book reviews editor at Publishers Weekly and a freelance medical journalist. #editorchat

[20:59:52] LydiaBreakfast: @leanneclc True there are some “old skool” that work, but the majority of the publishing business is trying to find a new model #editorchat

[20:59:54] JDEbberly: SDNN San Diego News Network http://www.sdnn.com/ #editorchat

[20:59:56] leanneclc: @jennipps Agreed but not at the expense of content…great content first, innovation if it makes sense, not for innovations sake #editorchat

[21:00:09] carlazanoni: @wordful What does that mean too journalistic? #editorchat

[21:00:32] jennipps: @leanneclc I most certainly agree! 🙂 #editorchat

[21:00:32] jg_rat: @wordful Q1 Tech can enable innovation – sometimes it forces it #editorchat

[21:00:59] milehighfool: @SuziSteffen Good point. Maybe the follow-up is, as writers nd editors, how do we shape innovation in a biz context? #editorchat

[21:01:07] LydiaBreakfast: It would be helpful to clarify innovation is a new way of reporting news, creating features, providing web content #editorchat

[21:01:13] bob_bobala: @SuziSteffen At least with what we’re doing here at Intuit, the writers are intimately involved in design. #editorchat

[21:01:13] gmarkham: I’m not sure anyone could have seen how the combination of disruption and recession would slay the business model. #editorchat (1/2)

[21:01:23] SpecialDee: Journalists with followings, good read @techcrunch http://is.gd/rVOS #editorchat

[21:01:26] BaileyMcC: The content can be fabulous, but if no one sees it b/c of lack of innovation, the bad content still wins #editorchat

[21:01:33] LydiaBreakfast: Technology is what we use as a tool to help us do those things. Not the same as innovation #editorchat

[21:01:38] timecommander: How can a newspaper company monetize? Guest posters? #editorchat

[21:01:42] gmarkham: sorry, there is no (2/2) #editorchat

[21:01:45] rosefox: @milehighfool #editorchat Newspapers’ and magazines’ only “failure” is not yet knowing what works. Everyone is scrambling right now.

[21:01:49] shortformblog: @leanneclc You know, if every news market owned their niche like those do, it’d be OK to stagnate. But most people don’t. #editorchat

[21:01:53] LydiaBreakfast: @rosefox Hello Rose, many thanks for joining us 🙂 #editorchat

[21:01:57] Shelbow: RT @jg_rat: @wordful Q1 Tech can enable innovation – sometimes it forces it #editorchat SO True! That’s why I say #contentstrategy first!

[21:01:59] jesshatchigan: @milehighfool, what’s “caviar to the general” may be non-chaff that’s monetizable in non-mass markets? #editorchat

[21:02:07] leanneclc: @LydiaBreakfast I know but I think they are trying too hard and missing the point…consumers pay for content and still will #editorchat

[21:02:24] mariaelenaduron: RT LydiaBreakfast Technology is what we use as a tool to help us do those things. Not the same as innovation <Agreed!> #editorchat

[21:02:31] SuziSteffen: @bob_bobala That makes sense for online-only, but trad papers couldn’t foresee … er ditto @gmarkham. #editorchat

[21:02:49] IrisJumbe: @wordful can a newspaper ever be “too journalistic”? Papers have to pick a gear & not just stick with it, but excel. #editorchat

[21:02:49] wordful: @carlazanoni I mean to say not niche-focused, which is the way web content seems to be headed. #editorchat

[21:02:56] milehighfool: @jesshatchigan Agreed. One man’s what is another’s chaff, and so on. #editorchat

[21:03:01] ImFreckles: hello from Toronto. just checking in to see what the chatter is about tonight. #editorchat

[21:03:23] mhertz: @gmarkham. Agreed. It just seems like a perfect storm of bad news for the newspaper industry. #editorchat

[21:03:25] Colgo: @milehighfool Q1 I like the BBC line: Fall forward, fast – make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill failures. #editorchat

[21:03:33] carlazanoni: @Wordful Point taken. #editorchat

[21:03:37] leanneclc: @shortformblog Yeah, I know and I know there are a lot of niche pubs that are nice to have, but if there isn’t enough market….#editorchat

[21:03:38] BaileyMcC: Merely charging users for the same old thing isn’t innovation or even content strategy #editorchat

[21:03:47] rosefox: @leanneclc #editorchat Consumers are becoming more picky about when and why they pay for content. Providing better/targeted content is key.

[21:04:15] milehighfool: @rosefox Really? As much as that’s true right now I’m not sure either industry has experimented well. #editorchat

[21:04:54] milehighfool: @Colgo Right. This is a classic model for tech, Google especially. Fail small, win huge. The poker player’s motto. #editorchat

[21:05:09] JDEbberly: RT @rosefox: @leanneclc #editorchat Consumers are becoming more picky about when and why they pay for content. Providing better/targeted …

[21:05:11] marciamarcia: Joining #editorchat late. Realizing I could use the community of editors and writers 2nite more than thinking abt what I have yet to finish.

[21:05:43] Colgo: gotta go to a meeting, will catch up on the thread later #editorchat

[21:05:44] leanneclc: @rosefox I definitely agree, but those personal budgets are only going to stretch so far…some will lose, innovation or no #editorchat

[21:05:46] IrisJumbe: @BaileyMcC Agreed. Nor is charging them for content and services they can get for free elsewhere #editorchat

[21:05:47] milehighfool: @rosefox On this,w e agree. I like and have high hopes for the Newsweek model. Premium content deserves a premium price. #editorchat

[21:05:49] LydiaBreakfast: @marciamarcia Thanks for joining/procrastinating with us 😉 #editorchat

[21:06:01] jennipps: @marciamarcia I’m trying to keep from thinking about what needs to be done/finished. #editorchat

[21:06:02] SuziSteffen: Good plan!RT @Colgo I like BBC line: Fall forward, fast – make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill failures. #editorchat

[21:06:16] bob_bobala: Q1 Is creativity innovation? Because with print dying and web content so competitive, the most creative will survive. #editorchat

[21:06:22] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool Agree. I happily pay for premium content. #editorchat

[21:06:23] rosefox: @milehighfool #editorchat I think we could refine our scrambling, yes, but a lot of improvements require capital that no one has right now.

[21:06:25] SpecialDee: Look at each department .RT @timecommander: How can a newspaper company monetize? Guest posters? #editorchat

[21:06:34] BaileyMcC: RT@Colgo Q1 I like the BBC line: Fall forward, fast, make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill fails. #editorchat

[21:06:40] SuziSteffen: Funny, I don’t believe that people will pay for content, but out of solidarity I subscribed to InDenverTimes. So hmmmm. #editorchat

[21:06:46] jg_rat: RT @Colgo: Q1 I like the BBC line: Fall forward fast, make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill failures [fast] #editorchat

[21:06:53] jennipps: @bob_bobala Sometimes creativity *can* be innovation, but not always. #editorchat

[21:06:57] BaileyMcC: @irisjumbe @irisjumbe exactly! #editorchat

[21:07:02] Hergett: @rosefox Isn’t that exactly what local newspapers have been touting? Does hyper-local not equal targeted? #editorchat

[21:07:05] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Absolutely it is, Content innovation I’d argue, is more important than tech innovation. In publishing at least. #editorchat

[21:07:16] leanneclc: @milehighfool @Rosefox – I’m in for premium content at a premium price. Hope there are enough of us! #editorchat

[21:07:29] JDEbberly: RT @Colgo: Q1 I like the BBC line: Fall forward fast, make many small bets, iterate wildly, back successes, kill failure #editorchat

[21:07:32] littlebrownpen: @SuziSteffen I think you are on to something with solidarity. It has to start somewhere. #editorchat

[21:07:42] jennipps: @SuziSteffen I actually think it’s been proven several times that people don’t pay for content more often than not. #editorchat

[21:08:07] bob_bobala: @marciamarcia Everybody’s taxes are done, right? If not, sorry for the plug, but you’d better head over to TurboTax.com #editorchat

[21:08:08] milehighfool: @rosefox In tech, certainly. But back to Bob’s point. Are we being as innovative with content as we can be? #editorchat

[21:08:17] marciamarcia: In the focus group work I’ve done, I’ve learned some people buy into concept of pay-for-content, others just don’t. #editorchat

[21:08:24] wordful: I believe people will pay for premium content but it has to be highly relevant to their needs and useful as well #editorchat

[21:08:36] ImFreckles: i think this idea about paying for content just means the content must be really good. people are getting harder to please #editorchat

[21:08:43] leanneclc: @Hergett My opinion – local newspapers = dumbed down news. That’s my problem with local…happy to pay for online news digest #editorchat

[21:08:54] LydiaBreakfast: I think we can agree that creativity, really knowing your audience, and crafting quality targeted content are innovations #editorchat

[21:08:57] jesshatchigan: @milehighfool, premium content and niche marketing are two avenues to monetize. #editorchat

[21:08:57] SuziSteffen: @jennipps I know! So I’m sort of laughing at my behavior/belief clash. I also pay for the ORegonian, the NYT and bunch o’ mags. #editorchat

[21:08:59] BaileyMcC: We have to get beyond the basic payments model, ppl will find what they want free enuf is out there, do more #editorchat

[21:09:10] littlebrownpen: @wordful Highly relevant is key. Niche content will attract more $$$ with that model. #editorchat

[21:09:13] mariaelenaduron: @wordful I agree. Am for paying for premium content, too. #editorchat

[21:09:28] LydiaBreakfast: Ready for Q2 Writers: How has technology or business innovation disrupted your process? Do you write more? Less? #editorchat

[21:09:34] bob_bobala: @milehighfool What’s becoming more and more intereting to me is how you meld content innovation with tech innovation. #editorchat

[21:09:50] wordful: @littlebrownpen exactly! Niche content is where all of this is headed. Newspapers are not niche content providers. #editorchat

[21:10:11] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Easy access to some things has disrupted my process. lol. I think I write more, for the most part. #editorchat

[21:10:13] milehighfool: @rosefox I should point out I’m not intending to point fingers at publishers so much as point out a fact: innovation is upon us. #editorchat

[21:10:13] mhertz: The problem is, as much as we writer/editors may be willing to pay for content, will the average reader? And in a down economy? #editorchat

[21:10:18] marciamarcia: If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:10:19] anndouglas: @ImFreckles You will love it. I just arrived a bit late myself, btw. Listening to get the gist of the convo. #editorchat

[21:10:28] rosefox: #editorchat What does “innovative with content” even mean? Is it possible to divorce content innovation and delivery/monetizing?

[21:10:29] bob_bobala: Q2 I write more. Absolutely more. Question is, is it more fulfilling? #editorchat

[21:10:29] ErikSherman: @marciamarcia Problem with asking people what they’d do is that it’s one of the least reliable types of market research. #editorchat

[21:10:42] BeckyDMBR: @JDEbberly I especially like “kill failure.” Sounds like old journo-speak to me. 🙂 #editorchat

[21:10:47] wordful: Q2: I’ve grown with the technology so I don’t really think of being without it. #editorchat

[21:10:53] jennipps: Oops. Forgot to put Q2 on that last response. RT Easy access to some things has disrupted my process. lol. I think I write more, #editorchat

[21:11:00] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Have to disagree on the technology one. It’s allowed for so much innovation that wouldn’t be possible otherwise.#editorchat

[21:11:08] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q2 Writers: How has technology or business innovation disrupted your process? Do you write more? Less? #editorchat

[21:11:10] IrisJumbe: @jennipps Yup. They might pay for exclusive content but how often is anything online ever really exclusive to a single site? #editorchat

[21:11:12] leanneclc: Absolutely! RT @LydiaBreakfast …creativity, really knowing your aud., & crafting quality targeted content are innovations #editorchat

[21:11:13] LydiaBreakfast: @bob_bobala a catchy way to meld the two is to provide a mulitmedia approach to each story with links, visuals, audio and video #editorchat

[21:11:21] littlebrownpen: RT: @marciamarcia If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:11:28] jennipps: @bob_bobala It is for me because I actually write it and submit things instead of holding on to it forever. #editorchat

[21:11:37] SuziSteffen: Q2: What I like about online is that I can write more about what I want to (theater, viz arts, etc.) w/o space worries. #editorchat

[21:11:41] BeckyDMBR: @SuziSteffen Yeah, but, have we heard … did InDenverTimes get enough subscribers to continue? #editorchat

[21:12:10] wordful: Technology helps spread the writing so much faster and cheaper, so I do it more. #editorchat

[21:12:14] mariaelenaduron: Q2: I definitely write more. Learning curve time is distracting, ultimately valuable + provided access 2 new + good sources. #editorchat

[21:12:18] joecortez: Q2: Technology helps me gather more sources more efficiently. Can also be major distraction to productivity if I let it be. #editorchat

[21:12:21] jennipps: @IrisJumbe Exactly! Even if it is “exclusive” for one site, it can soon be spread to others by readers of the first site. #editorchat

[21:12:31] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR Great question, Becky. I’m not sure. I’ve had to wait for my CC statement to close before signing up. #editorchat

[21:12:33] BaileyMcC: Q2 I don’t think of tech as a disruption, its a way to enhance what I write and provide more to the audience #editorchat

[21:12:38] mhertz: Q2 Technology (read: the Internet) has disrupted my writing process because it’s an easy opportunity to be distracted #editorchat

[21:12:42] JenniferPerillo: Q2: tech innovation leaves me feeling overwhelmed with all the outlets that need “feeding”. #editorchat

[21:12:50] SuziSteffen: @BeckyDMBR I believe they’re deciding on April … 23 or something? I’ll go look. http://is.gd/sF0j #editorchat

[21:12:52] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast Q2: As a medical journalist, I am daily grateful for PubMed. Tech = searchable content = better easier research. #editorchat

[21:12:55] Hergett: @leanneclc Local sources need to evolve, yes, and may not have the expansive content, but are still valuable to communities. #editorchat

[21:12:58] jennipps: RT @wordful Technology helps spread the writing so much faster and cheaper, so I do it more. #editorchat

[21:12:59] leanneclc: @IrisJumbe I’m not sure I’d pay for exclusive…premium or higher quality, yes, exclusive…who cares except media types #editorchat

[21:13:04] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen You mean with blogging? Don’t some pubs limit blogging? #editorchat

[21:13:06] timecommander: Q2: Yes. Like I said earlier: as long as content is creative it will be fulfilling. #editorchat

[21:13:08] marciamarcia: @ErikSherman Most of my work has looked at what people have done, and why they did it. We hear,”No never pay for content.” #editorchat

[21:13:21] SuziSteffen: @JenniferPerillo Yes, true, and I feel guilty if I’m not posting on the blog/Twittering interesting links/getting photos etc. #editorchat

[21:13:23] Shelbow: There are lots of ways to “pay” for content … I think premium content doesn’t have to be supported by just one model. #editorchat

[21:13:24] mariaelenaduron: @SuziSteffen Too true! I do like not having to worry about space. #editorchat

[21:13:31] JDEbberly: Q2 Technological innovation helps me pull things together better for articles. #editorchat

[21:13:35] SuziSteffen: @LydiaBreakfast Probably, but mine doesn’t. #editorchat

[21:13:37] IrisJumbe: Q2 It hasn’t disrupted me but I’ve had 2 expand my process to factor in time 4 the time-consuming techie things I’m not good at. #editorchat

[21:13:38] bob_bobala: @jennipps Oooh, there’s a whole other conversation: submissions. How long do you wait on them, etc. @milehighfool will want in. #editorchat

[21:13:38] LydiaBreakfast: @rosefox what about your work with PW (I review books too, btw) #editorchat

[21:13:39] JenniferPerillo: @jodifur funny this is one of the questions on #editorchat! And I said the same thing.

[21:14:17] jennipps: @bob_bobala lol. Maybe that’s a convo better for another time, then? #editorchat

[21:14:18] JDEbberly: @SuziSteffen I just LOVE to post links to interesting topics on Twitter! 🙂 #editorchat

[21:14:21] milehighfool: Q2: Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer. Sources are easier to find. #editorchat

[21:14:27] littlebrownpen: Agree w/ @JenniferPerillo Q2: tech innovation leaves me feeling overwhelmed with all the outlets that need “feeding”. #editorchat

[21:14:46] jg_rat: Q2 Wish I had time to write. Too busy innovating :o) #editorchat

[21:14:48] jg_rat: Q2 Wish I had time to write. Too busy innovating :o) #editorchat

[21:14:48] ErikSherman: @marciamarcia When you think about it, why would they? Vast majority of sources are free anyway. #editorchat

[21:14:53] milehighfool: @milehighfool Yes, yes I do. #editorchat

[21:15:04] jennipps: @milehighfool True! And the adage to “write tight” gets put into practice daily and makes it easier in general. 🙂 #editorchat

[21:15:07] timecommander: RT milehighfool: Q2: Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer. Sources are easier to find. #editorchat

[21:15:20] bob_bobala: Q2 I’d like to think that technology hasn’t disrupted my writing life; it’s enhanced it. #editorchat

[21:15:21] IrisJumbe: @leanneclc Doesn’t it depend on the topic of the content? e.g. an exclusive interview w/ someone you found completely inspiring? #editorchat

[21:15:29] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat I hope we can accept ebook subs soon, because searchable text makes it easier to fact-check reviews.

[21:15:35] anndouglas: Q2 Concerned by something I heard today – some mega-bookstores want online video content for certain types book to stock title. #editorchat

[21:15:37] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Duh. Sorry about that last tweet. Yes, I do want in re: submissions. #editorchat

[21:15:38] JDEbberly: @bob_bobala We should suggest to @milehighfool to discuss submissions next week! Hint! Hint! to mods #editorchat

[21:15:55] jennipps: RT @milehighfool Q2: Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer. Sources are easier to find. #editorchat

[21:15:59] LydiaBreakfast: RT @IrisJumbe Q2 hasn’t disrupted me but had 2 expand my process to factor in time 4 the time-consuming tech I’m not good at #editorchat

[21:16:00] milehighfool: RT @jg_rat: Q2 Wish I had time to write. Too busy innovating :o0 #editorchat

[21:16:10] anndouglas: Realize that’s a book issue not a specifically journo issue but it speaks to all the extras being asked/demanded. #editorchat

[21:16:17] Hergett: Q2: It is much easier to find information/sources, but I have less time to process and reflect because of immediacy. #editorchat

[21:16:25] marciamarcia: @milehighfool Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer, too. Brilliant perspectives at our fingertips #editorchat

[21:16:31] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool Q2: Twitter may well be the most important innovation to me as a writer. Sources are easier to find. #editorchat

[21:16:42] jesshatchigan: Q@: Whose idea was it to combine word processing with the greatest distraction ever & the same keyboard? #editorchat

[21:16:43] DougLance: How much could I make with this? http://freelancefiction.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:16:47] bob_bobala: @milehighfool @jennips we’ll have to hook up on that at a later time for sure. #editorchat

[21:16:55] SuziSteffen: @JDEbberly I know you do! I read most of ’em. 🙂 #editorchat

[21:16:57] timecommander: The funny thing about Twitter is that due to innovation it will be way, way off the map in the near future. #editorchat

[21:17:01] jennipps: Twitter has helped me *loads* writing-wise (and source-wise, too). #editorchat

[21:17:05] milehighfool: @Hergett Immediacy as in deadline pressure? #editorchat

[21:17:30] Shelbow: Q2 Technology has facilitated my writing process — don’t know what I’d do without it! (And my roots are so old school.) #editorchat

[21:17:35] anndouglas: Generally, I’m very pro-technology. But if pub wants author to provide website full of videos, better be $ in contract #editorchat

[21:17:38] JDEbberly: RT @timecommander: The funny thing about Twitter is that due to innovation it will be way, way off the map in the near future. #editorchat

[21:17:41] jennipps: @bob_bobala @milehighfool Definitely! I’m looking forward to it. 🙂 #editorchat

[21:17:47] a2editor: @JenniferPerillo I can’t stand needing to feed the beast. That feeling guides me to do what I love, not what I “should” do. #editorchat

[21:17:48] rosefox: #editorchat Blogs have helped me connect with other writers/editors, and both get and assign freelance gigs with great success.

[21:17:48] ErikSherman: @anndouglas That’s a scary thought – hard enough to get publsihers to edit. So who pays for video production? #editorchat

[21:17:48] marciamarcia: @ErikSherman Amazed at how often publishers (and it seems writers) don’t seem to grok that w/o hearing firsthand. #editorchat

[21:18:12] JDEbberly: RT @rosefox: #editorchat Blogs have helped me connect with other writers/editors, and both get and assign freelance gigs with great success.

[21:18:13] bob_bobala: @milehighfool on finding sources on twitter, would definitely like you to elaborate on that at another time. #editorchat

[21:18:16] SuburbNews: @milehighfool Is #editorchat almost done? Just signing on and reading the dialog from the start…..

[21:18:25] jodifur: @JenniferPerillo what question? mac for word or too many blogs? #editorchat

[21:18:44] littlebrownpen: @rosefox Agree. It’s such a great way to connect. #editorchat

[21:18:56] ErikSherman: @marciamarcia They’re managing from wishful thinking, not from being in touch with reality. #editorchat

[21:18:56] LydiaBreakfast: @SuburbNews we go until 10pm EST #editorchat

[21:19:01] jesshatchigan: Q2 Twitter absolutely rocks my writing world – great contacts a Tweet away. #editorchat

[21:19:01] JDEbberly: @SuburbNews We still have about 40 minutes left in Editorchat #editorchat

[21:19:06] milehighfool: @rosefox Your own blogs or others? I have seen excellent bloggers have great success in publishing. #editorchat

[21:19:09] rosefox: @timecommander #editorchat What do you think will replace/supplant Twitter?

[21:19:25] sooutdoors: #editorchat Q2 the problem with technological innovation is that you can make a career out of learning and never apply anything.

[21:19:28] jennipps: RT @jesshatchigan Q2 Twitter absolutely rocks my writing world – great contacts a Tweet away. #editorchat

[21:19:29] JenniferPerillo: @jodifur too many blogs #editorchat

[21:19:33] wordful: I like that technology has made me feel so much more connected to everyone, which deeply affects my writing #editorchat

[21:19:45] Hergett: @milehighfool Deadlines I can handle-it is more the blogosphere and networking that demand ideas now. Writing as therapy suffers #editorchat

[21:19:47] LydiaBreakfast: Twitter has been invaluable for me for sources, and general info I might not have found on my own. Also HARO #editorchat

[21:20:02] joecortez: Q2: Tech innovation (i.e. Twitter) def. helps to bridge people & ideas together. The result is more complete content faster. #editorchat

[21:20:22] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool Me too. So many bloggers I know have book deals, columns in magazines, other paying blog gigs. #editorchat

[21:20:23] sooutdoors: So True RT @wordful: I like that technology has made me feel so much more connected to everyone, which deeply affects my writing #editorchat

[21:20:24] rosefox: @littlebrownpen #editorchat And a great way to see/share writing samples, albeit informal ones.

[21:20:24] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Kind of like knowing when to stop researching and start writing? #editorchat

[21:20:24] jennipps: @sooutdoors True. So the idea for me, then, is to learn enough that I can *begin* to apply it and then continue to learn as I go #editorchat

[21:20:27] milehighfool: @bob_bobala I’ll try now. The search mechanism on Twitter offers a great virew of thinking on a topic. (1/2) #editorchat

[21:20:32] timecommander: @rosefox Definitely something we’ve never heard of. And it won’t be a bad thing either. Change is embraced when it’s gradual. #editorchat

[21:20:36] bob_bobala: @Hergett isn’t blogging writing as therapy?! #editorchat

[21:20:36] JDEbberly: @rosefox I think utility glasses with an Internet connection will replace Twitter by 2013-2014 #editorchat

[21:21:09] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Tweeting for sources myself has also proven fruitful. Fact checking, surprisingly, hasn’t been too hard. (2/2) #editorchat

[21:21:09] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Agree Twitter has been great resource in researching recipes & leads. #editorchat

[21:21:09] LydiaBreakfast: Related Q 3 Editors: Has the Web and mobile Internet changed what you ask of your writers? Are you placing limits on them? #editorchat

[21:21:20] ErikSherman: @wordful I don’t feel that way – maybe because I’ve been around technology for way too long and used to it. #editorchat

[21:21:32] timecommander: @JDEbberly Hey, anything is possible1 #editorchat

[21:21:44] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast That’s where my learn-enough-to-start mo came into play. #editorchat

[21:21:45] milehighfool: RT @bob_bobala: @Hergett isn’t blogging writing as therapy?! #editorchat

[21:21:51] a2editor: @sooutdoors That’s true. I’m tired of tweets advising how to use Twitter, by people who do nothing but tell you how to use Twtr. #editorchat

[21:21:54] leanneclc: Q2 – Research is much easier w/google alerts. But writing is the same for me…gather info, outline, write (shut open windows) #editorchat

[21:21:58] bob_bobala: @milehighfool and i presume you’ve also made contacts that have lead to interviews. #editorchat

[21:22:03] shortformernie: Hey all, Ernie at @shortformblog here; was getting complaints about tweetchat clutter, so bug me here if you want to chat #editorchat

[21:22:18] jesshatchigan: @JenniferPerillo, on the too many blogs – yes. It’s overkill. #editorchat

[21:22:18] shortformernie: Also, feel free to add this account too. #editorchat

[21:22:19] timecommander: @JDEbberly Hey, anything is possible! #editorchat

[21:22:22] SuziSteffen: Q3 I’d like my writers to write for our blog and understand link-rich posts (yes, we link out of our site). But … #editorchat

[21:22:37] wordful: @ErikSherman I’ve been around it for so long, too. But for me it seems to make the world smaller and more intimate. #editorchat

[21:22:38] bob_bobala: @leanneclc yeah, you’ve got to keep the rain off your laptop. #editorchat

[21:22:43] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo I can’t say how many times I’ve made a dinner off of something I read on twitter 🙂 #editorchat

[21:22:46] CMM_PR: RT @marciamarcia If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:22:46] a2editor: @sooutdoors …these people never actually take their own advice and USE Twitter. #editorchat

[21:22:57] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q 3 Editors: Has the Web, mobile Internet changed what you ask of writers? Are you placing limits on them? #editorchat

[21:22:57] konadad: Arriving late to #editorchat. How is everyone?

[21:23:16] ErikSherman: @wordful It certainly makes communication easier. #editorchat

[21:23:27] leanneclc: @a2editor ahhh twitter for twitter’s sake…let’s all become “social media consultants” I think the pay’s about the same #editorchat

[21:23:29] JDEbberly: RT @CMM_PR: RT @marciamarcia If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:23:31] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Can you expand on Q3? What do you mean by limits?

[21:23:39] LydiaBreakfast: @konadad swell thanks for joining #editorchat

[21:23:42] mariaelenaduron: @shortformernie I had 2 do the same thing.Was on a chat earlier 2day + 2 much noise 4 one day. MayB some1 will innovate solution #editorchat

[21:23:43] anndouglas: @JenniferPerillo That’s a very good point. I have to limit myself to specific blogs and specific SM. #editorchat

[21:23:47] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Absolutely. Twitter helps me engage where I hadn’t before. #editorchat

[21:23:53] joecortez: Web and wired culture has made editors expect more of me as a writer: because we r all connected, they want more content faster. #editorchat

[21:23:55] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Q3: No, not placing limits. All these technologies has made me ask more of writers. #editorchat

[21:24:01] wordful: @leanneclc that’s pretty funny…and true #editorchat

[21:24:02] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Twitter was my first stop for a kosher cooking question this week #editorchat

[21:24:14] continuum_q5: RT @timecommander: @JDEbberly Hey, anything is possible! #editorchat it’s all just a matter of time right?

[21:24:34] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @bob_bobala Absolutely. Twitter helps me engage where I hadn’t before. #editorchat

[21:24:35] a2editor: @leanneclc I’ve stopped following back anyone who calls themself a social media “expert” or “geek.” I can’t stand the advice. #edi

[21:24:41] shortformernie: @mariaelenaduron Yeah, multiple complaints. I had to do something. Sigh. #editorchat

[21:24:59] Hergett: @bob_bobala It can be, but when I write for me it’s usually old school pen and paper style… Not quite the same. #editorchat

[21:25:11] Mike_Evans_: what client are y’all using tto follow this chat #editorchat

[21:25:31] ErikSherman: @a2editor Doesn’t that just leave about three dozen people? #editorchat

[21:25:36] bob_bobala: @milehighfool Q3: To be a writer in the connected world, you need to be versatile. Can you write for the iphone, web, etc.? #editorchat

[21:25:38] anndouglas: @rosefox I love it too. My harddrive – not so much! .pdf overload! #editorchat

[21:25:45] Shelbow: Wouldn’t it be cool art if your Twitter feed was continuously projected on your wall? #editorchat

[21:25:47] jennipps: @a2editor Agreed. The only ones like that I follow back anymore are SEO peeps since I know little abt SEO, though I’m learning #editorchat

[21:25:56] ErikSherman: @Mike_Evans_ I’m trying TweetChat at the moment. #editorchat

[21:26:02] rosefox: @Mike_Evans_ #editorchat I’m just refreshing the twitter search page. There’s probably a more efficient way to do it…

[21:26:05] LydiaBreakfast: @Mike_Evans_ tweetgrid or tweetchat work #editorchat

[21:26:11] milehighfool: @rosefox One example: Are you asking for shorter articles to fit the medium? (Mobile, in this case.) #editorchat

[21:26:13] jennipps: @anndouglas Thanks for the reminder. I need to move my .pdfs to my external hard drive. #editorchat

[21:26:24] jg_rat: Out – have major breaking story #editorchat

[21:26:25] JDEbberly: @continuum_q5 Technological innovation will increase with time, which means that to keep up, we must optimize ourselves. #editorchat

[21:26:26] bob_bobala: @Hergett Ahh yes, the therapy of pen and paper. I gave that up a long time ago. No wonder I’m two sheets away from insane now. #editorchat

[21:26:30] dodgemedlin: @Mike_Evans_ I’m using Tweetchat. Works fine for me. #editorchat

[21:26:30] catekustanczy: RT @JDEbberly @milehighfool: @bob_bobala Twitter helps me engage -and connect, and learn, and expand -where I hadn’t before. #editorchat

[21:26:33] goodiesformom: @a2editor doesn’t it seem like everyone is a “social media expert” these days?? #editorchat

[21:26:38] marciamarcia: Only thing I ask differently from writers in the social media era is to not ignore the topic, pretend the tech isn’t there #editorchat

[21:26:43] littlebrownpen: @a2editor Agree. And enough with the I’m a guru/geek/expert etc. Ick. #editorchat

[21:26:49] BaileyMcC: @Mike_Evans_ TwitterFall, using only this hashtag #editorchat

[21:26:52] IrisJumbe: RT @a2editor:@leanneclc I’ve stopped following back anyone who calls themself a social media expert; I can’t stand the advice. #editorchat

[21:26:54] a2editor: @ErikSherman It’s not that bad. 🙂 #editorchat

[21:27:18] joecortez: @Mike_Evans_ Tweetgrid is a great tool to follow chats — its like Tweetdeck, except web based. #editorchat

[21:27:37] wordful: Great blog post by Skellie on “Social Media experts” http://tinyurl.com/cvc4pt #editorchat

[21:27:38] mhertz: Tweetchat. What a revelation… #editorchat

[21:27:40] shortformernie: Anyone who has 3,000 followers and the phrase “marketing expert” in their subject line doesn’t get followed back. No exceptions. #editorchat

[21:27:41] LydiaBreakfast: Related Q4 is creativity paying off in a business sense? #editorchat

[21:27:44] CMM_PR: Writers have to be multimedia pros, understand how to leverage numerous disparate SM channels & stay on topic. Challenging. #editorchat

[21:27:55] anndouglas: @leanneclc I think pay-for-content works when u can’t get content any other way. I pay for @mediabistro Otherwise, no. #editorchat

[21:27:59] milehighfool: @jg_rat Thanks for participating. #editorchat

[21:28:03] leanneclc: Q3 I think Twitter will be a help for mobile writing…short and attention getting. Has also helped with headline writing. #editorchat

[21:28:04] marciamarcia: @goodiesformom Outside this bubble, I don’t hear it much at all. Let’s not forget we’re still on the leading edge here. #editorchat

[21:28:09] littlebrownpen: @mhertz I know, right? It’s so 1999. #editorchat

[21:28:17] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast For me? It’s starting to. lol. #editorchat

[21:28:30] wordful: Great blog post by @skellie on “Social Media experts” http://tinyurl.com/cvc4pt #editorchat

[21:28:40] anndouglas: @leanneclc Just realized that’s what you were saying. Sorry for blanking out. #editorchat

[21:28:50] rosefox: @milehighfool #editorchat Ah. Not really, no. Book reviewing isn’t really affected by tech that way. #editorchat

[21:29:10] joecortez: Q4: Creativity always pays off in business: if I offer an angle or idea that someone else can’t, I’ll get business. No joke. #editorchat

[21:29:14] IrisJumbe: @mike_evans_ I’m trying out Nambu. Kinda buggy but a really clean interface #editorchat

[21:29:14] a2editor: @LydiaBreakfast Q4 I’m still waiting to see… #editorchat

[21:29:17] milehighfool: @shortformernie Especially if they followed 4,000 to get to 3,000. #editorchat

[21:29:24] jennipps: Q3 – Creativity paying off in a business sense – depends on the venue. Sometimes yes. Especially for sites like Twitter & Plurk. #editorchat

[21:29:26] LydiaBreakfast: If you missed it Q4 is creativity paying off in a business sense? #editorchat

[21:29:34] JenniferPerillo: Q4: More people are willing to compromise pay b/c they can work from home in PJs. That’s where the tech innovation becomes bad #editorchat

[21:29:48] leanneclc: @anndouglas no worries…it’s hard to keep up with this one…really some of the best content on twitter #editorchat

[21:29:49] amous: RT @JDEbberly: RT @CMM_PR: RT @marciamarcia If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[21:29:58] jennipps: Oops. Goofed again. Put Q3 instead of Q4. lol. #editorchat

[21:29:58] goodiesformom: @marciamarcia I get spam all the time from people telling me they are either social media or SEO experts. 😦 #editorchat

[21:30:12] SuziSteffen: Perfect RT @marciamarcia Only thing I ask diff from writers in social media era is to not ignore topic, pretend tech isn’t there #editorchat

[21:30:15] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo For the record, I get dressed (up) every day. Even if I am home all day. #editorchat

[21:30:19] JenniferPerillo: I am totally sucked into #editorchat and still have a pile of dinner dishes in the sink.

[21:30:34] milehighfool: Q4: I think writing for the Web — a platform that caters to innovation — has forced me to write better bursts of short content #editorchat

[21:30:54] shortformernie: @milehighfool Yep, you got it. 😀 #editorchat

[21:31:13] anndouglas: @ErikSherman Point I made to author who called me for advice. #editorchat

[21:31:16] marciamarcia: @LydiaBreakfast Is creativity paying off ina business sense? Yes! Same old same ol gets you same ol same & who can afford that? #editorchat

[21:31:22] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast Same here. Otherwise I feel more like lazing around instead of working. #editorchat

[21:31:28] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Q4: Sure. PW editors following #amazonfail on Twitter got a story and quote up before anyone else. #editorchat

[21:31:34] Mike_Evans_: Newby here . Can y’all send links to some of your writing, so I can learn from y’all? #editorchat

[21:31:37] jesshatchigan: RT @joecortez Q4:Creativity always pays off in business:if I offer an angle or idea that someone else can’t, I’ll get business #editorchat

[21:31:38] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo Dishes will be there after 10pm unfortunately no innovation can zap that #editorchat

[21:31:38] ErikSherman: Q4: I can often research more efficiently and have additional markets for my writing, so, yes, tech can pay. #editorchat

[21:31:39] leanneclc: @irisjumbe honestly, it depends on how good the interview is…not if it’s exclusive. I think exclusive is pretty elusive today #editorchat

[21:31:44] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Me too on getting dressed. Gotta set parameters but get the feeling many are that regimented. #editorchat

[21:31:48] joecortez: @JenniferPerillo Bad idea to sacrifice pay to work at home in PJ’s — getting face time with clients is the best thing I do! #editorchat

[21:31:52] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast People pay for creativity. Therefore it’s worth it in a business sense. #editorchat

[21:31:57] IrisJumbe: Q4 Creativity of concept can definitely pay off in this climate, more so than creative content. Everyone is looking 4 new ideas #editorchat

[21:32:01] shortformernie: I think I’m bolder in my creativity on the Web. I think further outside the box and am willing to say no less. #editorchat

[21:32:06] SuburbNews: #editorchat Soc media tools are building stronger relationships with readers, subscribers. But still such a small % of readers so worth it?

[21:32:10] jennipps: @JenniferPerillo I try to tell people it’s addictive. Some don’t believe me though. 🙂 #editorchat

[21:32:10] LydiaBreakfast: @Mike_Evans_ We do links at the end of the chat #editorchat

[21:32:14] milehighfool: Still on Q4: Have you had success trying innovations that have boosted revenue or your personal income? #editorchat

[21:32:20] SuziSteffen: @rosefox Yeah, and then the site crashed like CRAZY! Unintended consequences of Twitter linkage. #editorchat

[21:32:25] anndouglas: @jennipps Should do that, too. Can’t do much more research until I do! #editorchat

[21:32:29] littlebrownpen: @jennipps @LydiaBreakfast Okay, so it’s not cool to work on the bed in yoga pants? I missed that memo. 😉 #editorchat

[21:32:35] shortformernie: There’s a lot more reasons to say no to something in print. #editorchat

[21:32:46] WarLordwrites: RT @Mike_Evans_: Newby here . Can y’all send links to some of your writing, so I can learn from y’all? #editorchat

[21:32:51] jennipps: RT @IrisJumbe Q4 Creativity of concept can definitely pay off in this climate, more so than creative content. #editorchat

[21:32:59] JenniferPerillo: @LydiaBreakfast Waiting for Rosie to become a reality from the Jetsons! #editorchat

[21:33:12] jennipps: @littlebrownpen If it works for you, go for it! 🙂 Just doesn’t work for me. #editorchat

[21:33:19] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Ha ha ha #editorchat

[21:33:22] marciamarcia: @milehighfool No doubt the web has honed my writing and tightening skills. [Even this sentence started w/ more characters] #editorchat

[21:33:24] JDEbberly: RT @IrisJumbe Q4 Creativity of concept can definitely pay off in this climate, more so than creative content. #editorchat

[21:33:30] anndouglas: RT @jesshatchigan Whose idea was it to combine word processing with the greatest distraction ever & the same keyboard? #editorchat

[21:33:34] Sirjohn_writer: RT @ErikSherman: Q4: I can often research more efficiently and have additional markets for my writing, so, yes, tech can pay. #editorchat

[21:33:34] milehighfool: @shortformernie How so? In terms of a query? #editorchat

[21:33:36] CMM_PR: Brevity and speed are also demanded in the hypernews, ‘always on’, online medium. Brings the need for creativity. #editorchat

[21:33:41] timecommander: @milehighfool Every reader of my blog is a success to me because of the fact that I produce unique content. So my answer is yes. #editorchat

[21:33:44] leanneclc: @Hergett I have to disagree about them being valuable – they aren’t staying in business so the community doesn’t see the value #editorchat

[21:33:46] jesshatchigan: @littlebrownpen @jennipps @LydiaBreakfast, I thought the fuzzy slippers were a guaranteed perk. #editorchat

[21:33:51] Hergett: @SuburbNews But the % of readers following is growing. What is small now, may not always be so. #editorchat

[21:33:52] rosefox: @SuziSteffen #editorchat I blame @wilw! But even with the crash, a lot of people saw our site, saw our ads; we got good buzz. #editorchat

[21:33:59] shortformernie: Q4: Heck, I came up with my approach to ShortFormBlog because I didn’t have anyone besides myself to say no to. #editorchat

[21:34:31] continuum_q5: @JDEbberly and time will have to adapt #editorchat

[21:34:36] Sirjohn_writer: RT @JenniferPerillo: I am totally sucked into #editorchat and still have a pile of dinner dishes in the sink.

[21:34:39] mhertz: Q4 My greatest creativity has been somehow finding freelance assignments after being laid off late last year. 😉 #editorchat

[21:34:46] jennipps: @jesshatchigan Don’t know about fuzzy slippers, but going around in socks w/o shoes definitely is in my book. 🙂 #editorchat

[21:34:49] Mike_Evans_: thx @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat

[21:35:00] JDEbberly: @KBordessa Thanks! I hope I am over this bug by next wednesday! #editorchat

[21:35:23] shortformernie: @milehighfool In print, you have limited space. Online, the only limits are your imagination and not angering readers. #editorchat

[21:35:50] SuziSteffen: Great discussions, as usual, y’all. Off to feed the kitten & make dinner (and, @JenniferPerillo, do *breakfast* dishes 😉 ). #editorchat

[21:36:08] jennipps: @shortformernie And attention spans count as a limitation sometimes. #editorchat

[21:36:10] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Ha ha, I actually used to do that when I worked at Random House (along with a few others) #editorchat

[21:36:12] christopherhire: RT @jesshatchigan: Q@: Whose idea was it to combine word processing with the greatest distraction ever & the same keyboard? #editorchat

[21:36:21] a2editor: @shortformernie …and the reader’s attention span. Is that not a significant limit? #editorchat

[21:36:29] goodiesformom: @mhertz ok, I need to hook up with you because we are looking at possible layoffs #editorchat

[21:36:33] LydiaBreakfast: @SuziSteffen Thanks for joining us Suzi #editorchat

[21:36:35] ErikSherman: @mhertz Ah, finding freelance work – mostly a matter of putting enough time into the marketing grind. #editorchat

[21:36:43] jesshatchigan: Q4 There are only 26 letters in the alphabet. Put them together creatively and you’ve got the latest bestseller. #editorchat

[21:36:46] anndouglas: When I’m writing for print, I feel constrained because I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:36:58] IrisJumbe: @mhertz That’s great to hear:) I quit my job to go fulltime freelance a little over a year ago so have to think on my feet too. #editorchat

[21:37:06] shortformernie: @jennipps @a2editor No disagreement there. 😛 #editorchat

[21:37:06] jennipps: @ErikSherman ANd the day job seriously interferes with that. *s* #editorchat

[21:37:21] hotspringer: Oddly, a big chunk of creativity goes into marketing freelance work. #editorchat

[21:37:24] KBordessa: @anndouglas Absolutely agree about not being able to hyperlink! #editorchat

[21:37:27] anndouglas: RT @jesshatchigan There are only 26 letters in the alphabet. Put them together creatively and you’ve got the latest bestseller. #editorchat

[21:37:30] CMM_PR: @shortformernie Don’t you find that you are also limited in time to post? Content can become outdated so quickly. #editorchat

[21:37:36] marciamarcia: @anndouglas Heck, I feel constrained when I *read* print that I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:37:37] SuburbNews: @Hergett I’m all for soc media, stronger connections, two-way dialog. Hope biz model comes to support innovations. #editorchat

[21:37:43] jennipps: RT @jesshatchigan Q4 There are only 26 letters in the alphabet. Put them together creatively & you’ve got the latest bestseller. #editorchat

[21:37:44] ErikSherman: @IrisJumbe I’ve been freelancing for 13 years and supporting my family – it’s possible. #editorchat

[21:37:53] goodiesformom: @shortformernie I love that online you can make a post as long or as short as you want. #editorchat

[21:37:55] timecommander: @anndouglas Another example of how the internet changed us completely and in every way. #editorchat

[21:37:57] milehighfool: @anndouglas Good point. Hyperlinking saves a lot of words for me. #editorchat

[21:38:00] mhertz: @goodiesformom I’ll do what I can, but I’m still looking for more work, believe you me. Never-ending process. #editorchat

[21:38:01] LydiaBreakfast: Q5 where is the line drawn between writer, editor and community? Is it really good for writers if community writes content too? #editorchat

[21:38:14] rosefox: @anndouglas #editorchat That frustrates me so much! I’ve started thinking in hyperlinks. Printed text is confining now. #editorchat

[21:38:15] anndouglas: @jesshatchigan Jess, that #quote belongs in an #anthology of #quotes for #writers. #editorchat

[21:38:17] ErikSherman: @jennipps There’s the difference – it *is* my day job. #editorchat

[21:38:27] bob_bobala: RT @jesshatchigan There are only 26 letters in the alphabet. Put them together creatively and you’ve got the latest bestseller. #editorchat

[21:38:31] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Outstanding! That’s great to hear. #editorchat

[21:38:34] a2editor: @CMM_PR Agreed. B/c I’m an editor (like to get things right) I struggle w/ posting in a timely manner and being proud of my wk. #editorchat

[21:38:36] mathewi: RT @anndouglas: When I’m writing for print, I feel constrained because I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:38:47] KatPowers: RT@marciamarcia @anndouglas Heck, I feel constrained when I *read* print that I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:38:47] jennipps: @ErikSherman I’m trying to get to a point where it is mine. Making progress, but I’m not there yet. #editorchat

[21:38:48] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast Hey when did you work @ RH? I was at Crown from 96-02. Ad/promo, not editorial. #editorchat

[21:38:56] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Q5 The line is getting fuzzier all the time. #editorchat

[21:38:57] ErikSherman: @anndouglas #oy #editorchat

[21:38:58] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Mine too, for the last nearly ten years 🙂 #editorchat

[21:39:02] solotraveler: RT @hotspringer: Oddly, a big chunk of creativity goes into marketing freelance work. #editorchat. sure does!

[21:39:19] marciamarcia: @jesshatchigan These days, for a bestseller, you often need to speak those 26 letters creatively too. #editorchat

[21:39:28] wordful: Hyperlinks are the currency of the web. #editorchat

[21:39:33] JDEbberly: RT @solotraveler: RT @hotspringer: Oddly, a big chunk of creativity goes into marketing freelance work. #editorchat. sure does!

[21:39:34] LydiaBreakfast: @debbieharry Just missed you then, 87-95 (#old) #editorchat

[21:39:55] jennipps: Q5 – Depends on the atmosphere fostered in the community. Was a member of 1 where it wasn’t good. Now a member of 1 where it is. #editorchat

[21:39:56] milehighfool: Q5: Finally to the community question. it’s the one that really bothers me. As the line gets fuzzy, the writer becomes optional. #editorchat

[21:39:58] mhertz: Q5 Excellent question, because I’m about to possibly take a job where that line will definitely blur. It’s a challenge. #editorchat

[21:40:08] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat Q5: My background is science fiction/fantasy, where the writer/reader/community line always blurs… #editorchat

[21:40:10] shortformernie: @CMM_PR That’s my biggest constraint with ShortFormBlog. So I understand. 😛 #editorchat

[21:40:22] IrisJumbe: @LydiaBreakfast Lydia, are you asking if writers feel threatened by community writers? #editorchat

[21:40:27] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast One of the many meanings of life is for interaction between animals. #editorchat

[21:40:30] bob_bobala: Q5 I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:40:41] jesshatchigan: @anndouglas, thanks, Ann. You made my day (chat?) 🙂 #editorchat

[21:40:48] a2editor: Q5 Community can produce great content, but the craft of the writing gets lost, and only the editors and writers notice. Sad. #editorchat

[21:40:48] jodifur: @JenniferPerillo oh yeah. Totally me #editorchat

[21:40:53] jennipps: RT @bob_bobala Q5 I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:40:57] Hergett: @SuburbNews If papers want to survive, they have to change how they connect with social media. And I’m all for survival! #editorchat

[21:40:59] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat …and I’m in favor of that blurring. More content means more need for editors and anthologists. #editorchat

[21:41:04] continuum_q5: RT @timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast One of the many meanings of life is for interaction between animals. #editorchat it all starts somewhere.

[21:41:10] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast Were you @ little random? We’ll have to play six degrees sometime. #editorchat

[21:41:17] gmarkham: @SuburbNews the efforts for small % of readers now will pay off as the mediascape continues to change. #editorchat

[21:41:23] bob_bobala: @milehighfool It’s not the writer becomes optional. It’s that everybody becomes a writer. #editorchat

[21:41:30] LydiaBreakfast: @rosefox very interesting, we have not explored this fully and may be a topic in an upcoming discussion #editorchat

[21:41:41] anndouglas: @jesshatchigan Happy to hear that, Jess. It was brilliant. Couldn’t let it go un-hashtagged! #editorchat

[21:41:44] timecommander: @jesshatchigan She is really right. It is quite the unforgettable quote. #editorchat

[21:42:03] sooutdoors: Q5 #editorchat this is a troublesome issue. I can see how editors can be seduced by community content, but I feel it’s short term thinking.

[21:42:05] mathewi: RT @bob_bobala: I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:42:10] mhertz: @rosefox More content also means, unfortunately, more reason for publishers to charge less for said content. #editorchat

[21:42:12] LydiaBreakfast: @debbieharry Special Markets (dealt with all the imprints including Childrens and Outlet) #editorchat

[21:42:12] JenniferPerillo: And so the gal from Brooklyn blabs but forgot to say hi. I’m food editor at Working Mother & a freelance recipe developer #editorchat.

[21:42:17] marciamarcia: @a2editor Persnickety readers (and we probably all have them), notice too. #editorchat

[21:42:25] Shelbow: RT @bob_bobala Q5 I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:42:31] ErikSherman: @bob_bobala When everyone writes, the business advantage, now as always, comes from doing it better than most competitors. #editorchat

[21:42:32] SuburbNews: @gmarkham That’s what I’m banking on (and my husb and kids 😉 #editorchat

[21:42:36] JDEbberly: RT @bob_bobala: I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:42:37] IrisJumbe: @ErikSherman That’s my belief, too, Erik. Always encouraging to have it reinforced by someone with a lot of experience 🙂 #editorchat

[21:42:39] rosefox: @LydiaBreakfast #editorchat That would be great. I can go on about this for hours. *grin* #editorchat

[21:42:40] CMM_PR: Q5 Writers and editors are trained and adhere to Journalistic standards. But community is free form, w/o parameters – new. #editorchat

[21:42:40] bob_bobala: @a2editor I agree it’s harder, but good writers should stand out from the din. #editorchat

[21:42:43] timecommander: @mhertz More content means less quality content. #editorchat

[21:42:48] Hergett: @LydiaBreakfast We’re trying to find ways to integrate community bloggers/writers into our paper site. More voices=more readers. #editorchat

[21:42:50] Dramagirl: RT @jg_rat: Q2 Wish I had time to write. Too busy innovating :o) #editorchat

[21:42:51] goodiesformom: @jennipps it is so true that often only writers/editors notice the bad but great writers still shine #editorchat

[21:42:53] a2editor: Q5 Community writers have a great opportunity to break into writing. Tough to stand out, tho… #editorchat

[21:42:56] wordful: RT @bob_bobala Q5 I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. #editorchat

[21:43:00] milehighfool: @bob_bobala Interesting point. @rosefox’s idea, too. More content means more need for experts. #editorchat

[21:43:02] mhertz: @rosefox I meant to say “pay” less for said content. #editorchat

[21:43:08] anndouglas: @rosefox Very similar blurring of lines in pregnancy/parenting community. I also love it. #editorchat

[21:43:21] jennipps: RT @ErikSherman @bob_bobala When everyone writes, the business advantage, now as always, comes from doing it better than most #editorchat

[21:43:22] SuburbNews: #editorchat Q5: if it leads to more engaged, connected comm – & as long as citizen journos don’t replace all but a few paid journos – yes!

[21:43:37] LydiaBreakfast: @rosefox we’ll definitely have to connect on this one then – I’ll DM you for more info #editorchat

[21:43:38] ErikSherman: Sorry, didn’t introduce myself – freelance writer ,working in print, online, on stage, on demand, on deadline #editorchat

[21:43:45] bob_bobala: @timecommander Well, more content means it’s harder to find quality content, but there could actually be MORE quality out there. #editorchat

[21:43:47] debbieharry: @LydiaBreakfast i’m so tempted to start reeling off names, but i won’t. leave it for DMs! #editorchat

[21:43:51] IrisJumbe: @Shelbow Haha. Can’t argue with that. And I’m also with @littlebrownpen re: working in one’s PJ’s. So liberating 🙂 #editorchat

[21:43:59] jesshatchigan: Q5 Writers are part of the community, but also observers/commentators – we wear 2 (3?) hats. #editorchat

[21:44:00] littlebrownpen: This all sounds very much like the business model for about.com cicra 2000. They were ahead of the game (I was an ed there). #editorchat

[21:44:16] rosefox: @mhertz #editorchat That assumes content is fungible. I disagree, and business plans with that assumption will fail. #editorchat

[21:44:26] wordful: @milehighfool more content indicates the value of the editor will surely rise on the web #editorchat

[21:44:40] marciamarcia: I think great writers can rise above the noise; and great writers can rise up from the community. via @bob_bobala #editorchat

[21:44:47] JDEbberly: RT @wordful: @milehighfool more content indicates the value of the editor will surely rise on the web #editorchat

[21:44:48] pam_baumeister: Hi all. I’ll be in and out here….but, wanted to introduce myself: I’m the editor/assoc. publisher of a woman’s magazine in UT #editorchat

[21:44:51] joecortez: Q5: Community Writers encourage communal discussion. But without editor, can also encourage misinformation. #editorchat

[21:44:53] jesshatchigan: RT @ErikSherman @bob_bobala When everyone writes, the business advantage, now as always, comes from doing it better than most #editorchat

[21:44:55] timecommander: @bob_bobala You have quite the optimistic view on life. #editorchat

[21:45:03] bob_bobala: @jennipps Yes, I really believe — at least where I work in technology — that content can be a differentiator. #editorchat

[21:45:07] littlebrownpen: About.com – Niche topic sites, community-driven content, non-professional writers with professional editors. Bought out by NYT. #editorchat

[21:45:08] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool More need for experts … but it takes a while for those who pay to recognize that need. 😉 #editorchat

[21:45:13] tamera: How do you fund & provide access/ sources for a Sy Hersh under a citizen journo/ different model? #editorchat

[21:45:16] a2editor: @wordful You’d think so, but pubs are laying off editors before writers b/c they need content producers to survive. #editorchat

[21:45:20] milehighfool: @pam_baumeister You finally made it. Welcome, Pam. #editorchat

[21:45:20] anndouglas: @bob_bobala I love it when someone who doesn’t consider himself/herself a writer emerges w/powerful voice. #editorchat

[21:45:27] pam_baumeister: RT @joecortez: Q5: Community Writers encourage communal discussion. But without editor, can also encourage misinformation. #editorchat

[21:45:32] CMM_PR: @bob_bobala A great point. There’s also the issue of content ownership. #editorchat

[21:45:35] Mike_Evans_: Sorry, didn’t introduce myself – freelance writer ,working in print, online, on stage, #editorchat

[21:45:58] JenniferPerillo: @JoeCortez Personally, I don’t work in PJs but get the feeling others do. Just saying…#editorchat

[21:46:00] pam_baumeister: Hi @littlebrownpen! My alter-ego is @wasatchwoman #editorchat

[21:46:01] bob_bobala: @timecommander Ha ha. If only you knew me. #editorchat

[21:46:03] anndouglas: bob_bobala It’s such a joy to witness the spontaneous birth of a writer. #editorchat

[21:46:05] wordful: @a2editor then maybe editors should become writers as well…at least for now! #editorchat

[21:46:06] littlebrownpen: RT @joecortez: Q5: Community Writers encourage communal discussion. But without editor, can also encourage misinformation. #editorchat

[21:46:06] LydiaBreakfast: Then shouldn’t the community have a designated space not to be confused with the professional writers? #editorchat

[21:46:06] mhertz: @rosefox I hope you’re right, because I hear about more and more “$10 for 1,000 word” models out there. #editorchat

[21:46:17] pam_baumeister: @milehighfool Thanks for the welcome! Good to be here – finally. #editorchat

[21:46:26] KBordessa: @littlebrownpen As a writer, though, I avoid About.com sites. Not everyone does though, I suppose. #editorchat

[21:46:39] a2editor: @wordful That’s exactly what I did, lol. #editorchat

[21:46:41] anndouglas: @bob_bobala It’s such a joy to witness the spontaneous birth of a writer. #editorchat

[21:46:51] BeckyDMBR: @a2editor Yes, publications have been cutting editors and fact-checkers for decades. It’s hurt the biz. #editorchat

[21:46:53] timecommander: @bob_bobala A ton of things are differentiators though. Design, community, etc. You can’t really boil it done to content, IMO. #editorchat

[21:46:56] pam_baumeister: @LydiaBreakfast I agree with you, Lydia. The community needs to feel they have a voice, too. I let comm writers write online. #editorchat

[21:47:02] bob_bobala: @CMM_PR Yes, content ownership is a big one. When I worked at Motley Fool, we owned everything you wrote in our community. #editorchat

[21:47:07] milehighfool: To me, the real threat of innovation comes with ignoring the tools and refusing to experiment. In that sense, community is fuel. #editorchat

[21:47:42] wordful: @LydiaBreakfast that’s a good point — designate professional writers from community writers #editorchat

[21:47:51] littlebrownpen: @KBordessa Absolutely agree. The quality of the content was horrible. I avoid the sites as well. The model failed, really. #editorchat

[21:47:54] timecommander: @milehighfool That’s a great point. The other threat is that it’s used opposite of it’s intention. #editorchat

[21:47:57] LydiaBreakfast: @pam_baumeister Hello there, glad you could join in 🙂 #editorchat

[21:48:02] AdinaGenn: @jesshatchigan q5 now is partiuclarly interesting for those of us struglling w/writing about the economy #editorchat

[21:48:12] leanneclc: @KBordessa I don’t avoid any sites…just weigh their content appropriately and check facts as needed…good kernels everywhere #editorchat

[21:48:17] rosefox: @mhertz #editorchat Constant Content won’t replace the NY Times; Make won’t replace engineering journals. There’s room for all. #editorchat

[21:48:31] bob_bobala: @timecommander Yeah I agree that all those can make your site/product stand out. Just saying content can really play a part. #editorchat

[21:48:35] milehighfool: @mhertz I’m not so sure that’s professional writing. Content bricklaying, perhaps. #editorchat

[21:48:36] pam_baumeister: @JenniferPerillo Ha! Working in PJ’s is never good for me. I feel I have to get “made up” to work. Especially @ the office. #editorchat

[21:48:48] a2editor: @BeckyDMBR Yes w/out editors, many writers’ work isn’t a lot better than community (sorry): harder to see value in paid content. #editorchat

[21:49:01] SpecialDee: If you’re new to TweetDeck, you can follow #editorchat by doing a Search which creates its own column for that chat.

[21:49:13] bob_bobala: @rosefox @mhertz Amen. I hope that is true. #editorchat

[21:49:14] jennipps: @milehighfool Content bricklaying – Good analogy. #editorchat

[21:49:38] marciamarcia: I bristle over suggestion to separate “real writers” from community writers. Imagine if we did that for tech dev or leadership. #editorchat

[21:49:49] jesshatchigan: @AdinaGenn, Hi Adina – in what way re Q5? #editorchat

[21:49:51] leanneclc: Isn’t writing kind of like running? You would do it anyway, because you can’t not (don’t tell those who pay you that, tho) #editorchat

[21:49:51] pam_baumeister: @a2editor I agree. Most community writers really need a good editor. Sadly, not all of them learn to self-edit. #editorchat

[21:49:52] IrisJumbe: RT @leanneclc I don’t avoid any sites. just weigh their content appropriately & check facts as needed. good kernels everywhere #editorchat

[21:49:56] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool Love it – “content bricklaying.” #editorchat

[21:49:59] mhertz: @milehighfool Content bricklaying. Nice. Sounds glamorous, no? #editorchat

[21:50:01] BeckyDMBR: @a2editor Yes, I’m seeing that a lot now. #editorchat

[21:50:06] anndouglas: RT @marciamarcia Heck, I feel constrained when I *read* print that I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat

[21:50:09] CMM_PR: @LydiaBreakfast Designating community vs professional writers could impact the perceived value of content. #editorchat

[21:50:31] ErikSherman: @a2editor Must agree – last time I did some significant editing, I was appalled at how copy came in. #editorchat

[21:50:33] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful I write because I can get paid to write. 🙂 #editorchat

[21:50:41] bob_bobala: @pam_baumeister Ha. I know a lot of “writer” writers who don’t self-edit and need to. #editorchat

[21:50:52] MonroeOnABudget: RT @anndouglas When I’m writing for print, I feel constrained because I can’t hyperlink. #editorchat *OMG I’ve felt that way too at times.

[21:51:03] pam_baumeister: @marciamarcia I don’t think we need to divide out “real writers,” from community writers. They need training/mentoring, though. #editorchat

[21:51:23] timecommander: Q6: How has editing made a difference to your writing skills? #editorchat

[21:51:24] jesshatchigan: @leanneclc. amen and shhhh. My lips are sealed. #editorchat

[21:51:24] BeckyDMBR: @ErikSherman I used to edit lawyers, so I’m not sure I’d be terribly surprised. Would I? 🙂 #editorchat

[21:51:24] gmarkham: @Wordful I think the pros will stand out; rather than separate them, help those in community who want to be journos (not all do) #editorchat

[21:51:34] bob_bobala: @CMM_PR I think this really comes into play when subject matter experts are involved, like on taxes with TurboTax commmunity. #editorchat

[21:51:40] jlcommunication: @LydiaBreakfast Just joining in but what separates professional from com. writer? What if com is better then ‘pro’ #editorchat

[21:51:42] pam_baumeister: @bob_bobala I know a lot of those same “writer” writers. 😉 I usually don’t use them more than twice in my pub. #editorchat

[21:51:42] AdinaGenn: @jesshatchigan meant to say writers r struggling w. the economy and writing about those struggling w. economy too #editorchat

[21:52:13] milehighfool: @marciamarcia Yes, but there is a difference between a well-researched article and a $5 rant. I want publishers to see that. #editorchat

[21:52:29] bob_bobala: @pam_baumeister Amen, sister. Writers, take note! #editorchat

[21:52:37] LydiaBreakfast: @jlcommunication I didn’t say they should be separated, it was a question for others to answer how they handle at their own pubs #editorchat

[21:52:39] JDEbberly: @QuickenPRChels I might just have to post that nugget on Twitter! 🙂 #editorchat

[21:52:42] wordful: @gmarkham yeah, HuffPo does this. They have a ton of guest bloggers. #editorchat

[21:52:55] ErikSherman: @BeckyDMBR Oh, that had to be interesting. #editorchat

[21:52:56] jennipps: @milehighfool I would hope that they do, but, of course, no guarantees. #editorchat

[21:52:57] anndouglas: RT @marciamarcia “I bristle over suggestion to separate “real writers” from community writers. [strongly agree: it’s rude] #editorchat

[21:52:58] joecortez: Q6: Editing forces me to take a second look: this makes me acknowledge my shortcomings, so I don’t repeat. Result: efficiency! #editorchat

[21:53:27] pam_baumeister: @jlcommunication good question. RT: what separates professional from community writer? What if com is better then ‘pro’ #editorchat

[21:53:28] jennipps: My computer hiccuped & had to restart Firefox. Can someone RT Q6 please? #editorchat

[21:53:41] karasw: RT @rosefox That frustrates me so much! I’ve started thinking in hyperlinks. Printed text is confining now. #editorchat

[21:53:43] ErikSherman: @milehighfool No, you want the publisher to see it and to care. The problem is that many don’t. #editorchat

[21:53:50] jlcommunication: @LydiaBreakfast Sorry. As I said, late to game. #editorchat

[21:54:11] pam_baumeister: @joecortez So true. I’ve learned so much as an editor. I can’t say that my writing is perfect, but I’ve learned what not to do. #editorchat

[21:54:12] marciamarcia: @laurakratochvil “Real writers write for the community.” Exactly. Thank you. #editorchat

[21:54:21] leanneclc: Then would “real” writers be like “real” artists? Only those who get paid are “real”? Hmmm history disagrees #editorch

[21:54:23] milehighfool: Killjoy warning: seven minutes left. Re-introduce yourself and post a link beginning at 9:55 pm. #editorchat

[21:54:36] SpecialDee: Do you think citizen journalism is the appropriate phrase for writers not employed by a news agency? #editorchat

[21:54:37] LydiaBreakfast: @jlcommunication no prob, just wanted to clarify for the others who thought it was a stance and not a question #editorchat

[21:54:40] JDEbberly: RT @marciamarcia: @laurakratochvil “Real writers write for the community.” Exactly. Thank you. #editorchat

[21:54:48] a2editor: @pam_baumeister If com is better than pro, they should be noticed and given a staff position. #editorchat

[21:54:57] jesshatchigan: @AdinaGenn, that is a good point. Thank you. #editorchat

[21:54:58] hotspringer: Generally, good writing proceeds from clear thinking. Good editing helps a writer think more so the reader has to think less. #editorchat

[21:55:14] jennipps: I try to self-edit. Will be going to a workshop on it at the end of the month, so that should help me out. 🙂 #editorchat

[21:55:14] goodiesformom: @pam_baumeister I learn so much more from editing and I think it has made me a much better writer. #editorchat

[21:55:23] littlebrownpen: Q6: I learned how to write much better thanks to a great (mean! tough! thorough!) editor. #editorchat

[21:55:35] joecortez: @pam_baumeister I’m still learning from editors present and past — some of them the best I know have been non-pro grammar cops! #editorchat

[21:55:36] a2editor: @pam_baumeister Note I said “should.” There are great writers not being paid anything. #editorchat

[21:55:37] wordful: RT @laurakratochvil “Real writers write for the community.” That pretty much sums that up….great stuff #editorchat

[21:55:42] bob_bobala: @pam_baumeister @jlcommunication If community is better than the pro, hire the community. #editorchat

[21:55:49] BeckyDMBR: @ErikSherman Yeah, I drank a lot. 🙂 #editorchat

[21:55:53] milehighfool: @ErikSherman Good point. And, as it happens, some of these publishers chalk up not caring to Innovation. #editorchat

[21:55:57] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Killjoy warning: seven minutes left. Re-introduce yourself and post a link beginning at 9:55 pm. #editorchat

[21:56:08] jesshatchigan: RT @hotspringer …. Good editing helps a writer think more so the reader has to think less. #editorchat

[21:56:12] IrisJumbe: Q6 I’ve always self-edited. Even b4 it was my job. It makes me conscious of space & helps keep the language succinct. #editorchat

[21:56:17] CMM_PR: @pam_baumeister A great quality of community is the newness of their approach to to the medium. Distinction from J’s is easy 2 c #editorchat

[21:56:20] SpecialDee: Special Sections editor of Maine newspaper http://specialdee.wordpress.com Great conversation tonight! #editorchat

[21:56:21] mhertz: Q6: As an editor (and copy editor), it takes me that much longer to write because I’m always editing (and copy editing) myself! #editorchat

[21:56:28] pam_baumeister: @a2editor Yes! Or, given regular writing assignments. I have lots of comm writers who think b/c they blog, they can write. #editorchat

[21:56:36] JenniferPerillo: RT @hotspringer: Good writing proceeds from clear thinking. Good editing helps a writer think more so reader has to think less. #editorchat

[21:56:40] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful What does HuffPo do? #editorchat

[21:56:41] AdinaGenn: @jesshatchigan especially as a freelance writer, chasing down invoices and looking for assignments is an art! #editorchat

[21:56:53] Hergett: RT @hotspringer Good writing proceeds from clear thinking Good editing helps a writer think more so the reader has to think less #editorchat

[21:56:59] marciamarcia: @milehighfool From a publisher’s perspective, a $5 rant can be more valuable. That’s what seems unfortunate. #editorchat

[21:57:06] LydiaBreakfast: @IrisJumbe Me too! #editorchat

[21:57:10] a2editor: Laura Cowan, freelance editor and writer working in book publishing and automotive media. Nice to see you all! Great topics. #editorchat

[21:57:14] leanneclc: So jealous of you who have had the ability to do one or the other…always worked for small companies, did both simultaneously #editorchat

[21:57:15] ErikSherman: @milehighfool It’s back to thinking of writing as content and, ironically, focusing more on the business than the audience. #editorchat

[21:57:18] littlebrownpen: Agree. Good writing = good thinking. Training not always relevant. #editorchat

[21:57:20] konadad: RT @littlebrownpen: Q6: I learned how to write much better thanks to a great (mean! tough! thorough!) editor. #editorchat

[21:57:22] CMM_PR: A blogger does not a writer make! #editorchat

[21:57:23] anndouglas: @leanneclc Agree. Some of the best writing I’ve done has been in support of causes I believe in. Not always $ involved. #editorchat

[21:57:36] jesshatchigan: @jennipps @milehighfool Content bricklaying – Good analogy. #editorchat ~have worked w engineers. Agree re good analogy.

[21:57:39] pam_baumeister: @joecortez Oh! I know! Those that can coach you on your grammar are the best editors. I owe a lot to some of my early editors. #editorchat

[21:57:39] JenniferPerillo: Ok, really need to get off twitter. The Mr. is getting cranky. Will catch last mins of #editorchat in the AM.

[21:57:41] wordful: @BeckyDMBR They have several contributing writers/bloggers. #editorchat

[21:57:55] LydiaBreakfast: OK tweeps time to reintroduce and send us your links #editorchat

[21:58:23] LydiaBreakfast: @JenniferPerillo reintroduce yourself and send links #editorchat

[21:58:33] jlcommunication: @CMM_PR But can a writer also blog? #editorchat

[21:58:33] KatPowers: @marciamarcia I find I need the $5 rant to set me off on an investigation. That helps my work #editorchat

[21:58:41] JenniferPerillo: And for the record folks, I’m at the “office” dressed everyday. Just posed the PJ scenario b/c you know it’s happening! #editorchat

[21:58:41] SuburbNews: #editorchat Another question might be: what level of writing do readers want? Do they want citizen or pro-style? What if former?

[21:58:46] pam_baumeister: @CMM_PR True. Community writer’s can bring a freshness to a publication that seasoned writers sometimes lose. #editorchat

[21:58:54] a2editor: @pam_baumeister Now that’s a big topic to discuss in itself… #editorchat

[21:59:06] jennipps: Jen Nipps, fl writer in south Oklahoma. Contributor at TutorialBlog (www.tutorialblog.org/author/jen-nipps) Next article due Fri #editorchat

[21:59:08] CMM_PR: @jlcommunication Absolutely! #editorchat

[21:59:10] BeckyDMBR: @Wordful That’s about all they have. I believe HuffPo has 2000+ unpaid bloggers. #editorchat

[21:59:15] ErikSherman: Freelance covering business, technology, food, arts, and a few other things: http://www.eriksherman.com #editorchat

[21:59:16] wordful: Charles here…editor, writer and blogger. Very deflated today thanks to the IRS. More up to par next week on #editorchat

[21:59:18] JDEbberly: RT Oh! I know! Those that can coach you on your grammar are the best editors. I owe lot to some of my early editors #editorchat

[21:59:25] rosefox: #editorchat Rose Fox, PW book reviews editor, freelance medical journalist. Great talking with you! http://rosejasperfox.com #editorchat

[21:59:36] KBordessa: RT pam_baumeister @CMM_PR True. Community writer’s can bring a freshness to a publication that seasoned writers sometimes lose. #editorchat

[21:59:36] joecortez: @CMM_PR Blogger and Writer can be mutually exclusive — But not necessarily. Depends on the skill and ability of the wizard. #editorchat

[21:59:40] LydiaBreakfast: You are all welcome to continue the discusson at editorchat.wordpress.com but we’ve got to close shop here #editorchat

[21:59:46] pam_baumeister: RT: @CMM_PR A blogger does not a writer make! — If I had a dime for every blogger who has pitched me to write a column… #editorchat

[21:59:48] SuburbNews: #editorchat Of course, I don’t mean hard-hitting watchdog, investigations. But for other “news” is our writing style out of date? Q only

[21:59:48] JDEbberly: JD Ebberly. I write about blogging & New Media. I’ll update you on the same and much more at —> @JDEbberly #editorchat

[21:59:53] JenniferPerillo: @JenniferPerillo: Good night from Jennifer in Bklyn, NY. See ya at http://www.InJenniesKitchen.com! #editorchat

[22:00:03] leanneclc: @CMM_PR but a paid writer does not a “real” writer make either. Many bloggers have a long history in “professional writing” #edit

[22:00:03] unearthingasia: just joining #editorchat in time for.. reintroduction? did I miss the whole chat? 😦 Nik here, Editor for http://twurl.nl/4hus7r

[22:00:08] wordful: @BeckyDMBR well somebody is making money there… #editorchat

[22:00:09] mhertz: I’m Marc – freelance writer/editor/copy editor in SF Bay Area. Find me on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/b3/555 #editorchat

[22:00:10] milehighfool: @rosefox Thanks for joining, Rose. Engaging points. #editorchat

[22:00:12] ErikSherman: ‘Night, all. #editorchat

[22:00:15] IrisJumbe: RT @littlebrownpen: Good writing = good thinking. Training not always relevant. #editorchat [me: Agreed. but it can be useful too :)]

[22:00:16] littlebrownpen: Nichole Robertson, freelance writer. I also blog about my excursions to Paris here: http://littlebrownpen.blogspot.com/ #editorchat

[22:00:24] Mike_Evans_: How do I get the schedule for future editor chats #editorchat

[22:00:40] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for another great chat! Becky in Iowa … #editorchat

[22:00:40] mhertz: Thanks for the chat, everyone. Interesting discussions as always. #editorchat

[22:00:44] BaileyMcC: Bailey… writer/consultant/editor, etc. Managing Editor at http://www.civsourceonline.com #editorchat

[22:00:45] LydiaBreakfast: @mhertz Thanks for coming #editorchat

[22:00:45] JDEbberly: Thank you very much @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast for yet another SUPERB Editorchat! Look foward 2 next week! #editorchat

[22:00:53] timecommander: Hey. I’m Dan Miranda, the thirteen year old writer, blogger and editor. I hope you check out commandyourtime.com today! #editorchat

[22:00:55] joecortez: Thanks for the chat! I’m Joe Cortez: freelance journalist, writer, video producer/reporter. Follow me here; website coming soon. #editorchat

[22:01:06] LydiaBreakfast: @ErikSherman Night, thanks for coming #editorchat

[22:01:18] pam_baumeister: I might add that @littlebrownpen is funny and witty…I’ve read her stuff. #editorchat

[22:01:18] JDEbberly: @Mike_Evans_ Editorchat convenes on Wed nights from 830pm to 10pm EST #editorchat

[22:01:21] milehighfool: @Mike_Evans_ Please see editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[22:01:21] jlcommunication: Intro: Former journ and journ teacher. Now freelance copywrite, p.r., journ – and yes I blog. http://www.jalcommunication.com #editorchat

[22:01:24] sooutdoors: #editorchat Good night all, great topics as always drop in a visit me at http://www.sooutdoors.ca

[22:01:24] jennipps: @Mike_Evans_ Topics & transcripts are posted at https://editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[22:01:30] LydiaBreakfast: @Mike_Evans_ editorchat.wordpress.com has all the info and transcripts #editorchat

[22:01:32] goodiesformom: Lois Whittaker, newsletter editor/marketing by day – blogger by night http://www.goodiesformom.com #editorchat

[22:01:34] wordful: @timecommander you’ve got such a cool and intriguing Twitter name #editorchat

[22:01:35] a2editor: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Thanks for your work putting together the chat, topics, etc. Always nice to see you. #editorchat

[22:01:37] bob_bobala: Thanks, Tweeps. Bob Bobala, writer/editor at TurboTax, formerly at Motley Fool. Also publish at http://exitstrategypress.com/ #editorchat

[22:01:39] LydiaBreakfast: @joecortez Thanks Joe #editorchat

[22:01:40] MudslideMama: @Mike_Evans_ It’s always this time, this place (the lurker speaks!) #editorchat

[22:01:47] paradisekitten: Really enjoyed the comments and chat tonight! Thanks all! http://coffeeomancy.blogspot.com/ #editorchat

[22:01:47] marciamarcia: @pam_baumeister Agree “spontaneous writers” (new fave moniker) benefit from mentoring, training & editing. So do pros. #editorchat

[22:01:49] BeckyDMBR: @wordful Yes. The owner/publisher. 🙂 #editorchat

[22:01:49] pam_baumeister: I guess funny and witty could arguably mean the same thing…nicely done, Editor girl. #editorchat

[22:02:07] Hergett: Rachel Hergett, Bozeman, MT, editor by hiring, writer by choice, http://www.dailychronicle.com. Good night all. Back to work. #editorchat

[22:02:12] LydiaBreakfast: @sooutdoors Thanks for joining us 🙂 #editorchat

[22:02:19] jennipps: Thanks to @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for their wonderful hosting. 🙂 #editorchat

[22:02:44] SuburbNews: Thanks for interesting #editorchat – best to everyone

[22:02:48] milehighfool: @a2editor Thanks, Laura. Glad you could make it. Thanks to everyone for participating. #editorchat

[22:02:54] timecommander: @wordful Thanks! I actually planned using it a long time and never got around to it. It was strictly a marketing decision. #editorchat

[22:02:56] anndouglas: Ann Douglas, author, blogger, columnist etc http://anndouglas.typepad.com/blogs/ Thx @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool #editorchat

[22:02:57] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps thanks for coming #editorchat

[22:03:10] rosefox: RT @jennipps Thanks to @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for their wonderful hosting. 🙂 #editorchat #editorchat

[22:03:11] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Night 🙂 #editorchat

[22:03:12] pam_baumeister: @marciamarcia like the moniker. And, I’m following you. #editorchat

[22:03:13] joecortez: jennipps: RT @jennipps Thanks to @LydiaBreakfast & @milehighfool for their wonderful hosting. 🙂 #editorchat

[22:03:13] jesshatchigan: Thank you and good night from Jess in Ann Arbor, MI – http://www.hatchigan.com Great chat tonight. #editorchat

[22:03:14] hotspringer: Rebecca McCormick, freelance travel journalist and feature writer. http://tinyurl.com/RebMcC #editorchat

[22:03:14] jennipps: I’ve got to work on my next TutorialBlog article, so I will see everyone next week and on Twitter in the meantime. 🙂 #editorchat

[22:03:25] LydiaBreakfast: @anndouglas Thanks for coming Ann #editorchat

[22:03:28] IrisJumbe: I’m a writer/editor currently burrowing away in Shanghai. My blog: http://www.artonym.com. Thx 4 the chat & tips, everyone #editorchat

[22:03:40] LydiaBreakfast: @jesshatchigan Night Jess #editorchat

[22:03:41] pam_baumeister: Q: When is working with a “diva” writer worth it and when do you cut them loose? #editorchat

[22:03:42] jlcommunication: @timecommander Power of the internet is that Dan has ability to find audience and publish in ways I couldn’t fathom at his age. #editorchat

[22:03:43] frankspencer: RT @marciamarcia: If we think about paying for value not content, the conversation changes. #editorchat

[22:04:00] LydiaBreakfast: @IrisJumbe Thanks Shanghai Iris 🙂 #editorchat

[22:04:06] jesshatchigan: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast, thank you for hosting #editorchat

[22:04:31] bob_bobala: @pam_baumeister When do you cut the diva loose? 10 minutes ago, Pam. #editorchat

[22:04:41] LydiaBreakfast: All, please feel free to post comments and further questions on editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[22:04:49] milehighfool: @jesshatchigan @anndouglas ‘Night Jess, Ann. #editorchat

[22:04:54] a2editor: @jesshatchigan I’m also in Ann Arbor. Small world. 🙂 Nice chatting with you. #editorchat

[22:05:43] jacksonp2008: What is #editorchat

[22:05:45] milehighfool: @joecortez Thanks, Joe. We appreciate it. #editorchat

[22:05:46] timecommander: @jlcommunication I hope you find yourself enjoying some posts on there. Feel free to leave a comment or two. 🙂 #editorchat

[22:06:25] pam_baumeister: @bob_bobala I’m such a sap, Bob. I hate to hurt people…especially strong female writers. You’re giving me courage. #editorchat

[22:06:41] Hergett: RT @bob_bobala @pam_baumeister When do you cut the diva loose? 10 minutes ago, Pam. #editorchat

[22:06:47] IrisJumbe: @LydiaBreakfast Thank you, Lydia 🙂 #editorchat

[22:06:58] jennipps: @JEFletcher I most definitely agree, on all counts but especially the last. 🙂 Join us for #editorchat next week?

[22:07:00] LydiaBreakfast: Good night all and thanks so much for a wonderful chat, Lydia Dishman freelance biz journalist, lbdcommunications.blogspot.com #editorchat

[22:07:09] marciamarcia: Marcia Conner: Writer, editor, social media & learning strategist. http://www.marciaconner.com. Love learning from #editorchat

[22:07:27] pam_baumeister: @timecommander You look like you’re twelve. no offense. #editorchat

[22:07:32] jlcommunication: @timecommander Send your link again. I’m a former journ teacher and very excited to see young writers doing what you are. #editorchat

[22:07:36] KatPowers: Happy to stumble on #editorchat. In the real world, I’ve run out of teachers who can tolerate me. Not here

[22:08:16] milehighfool: ‘Night all. Great chat, as always. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, Quicken.com blogger, timbeyers dot com #editorchat

[22:08:32] timecommander: @pam_baumeister HA! I blame it on the short hair-cut. Even so, doesn’t it make it that much more impressive? 🙂 #editorchat

[22:09:03] timecommander: @jlcommunication commandyourtime.com I’m happy to hear. 🙂 #editorchat

[22:09:25] SpecialDee: @LydiaBreakfast Thank you for the #editorchat tonight.

[22:10:10] tracymueller: Oooh, just noticed the #editorchat hashtag for the first time. Might have to check that out next week.

[22:10:15] konadad: @pam_baumeister Working with a diva writer is worth it only if the final product benefits the reader. #editorchat

[22:10:34] pam_baumeister: @timecommander Yeah. I am truly impressed if you are indeed twelve. #editorchat

[22:10:51] anndouglas: @BeckyDMBR I always assumed those bloggers were paid. #editorchat

[22:10:56] shirleybrady: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Hi Lydia & Tim – Looks like an interesting #editorchat tonight (caught tail-end of Q5) – sorry I missed!

[22:11:20] timecommander: @pam_baumeister As opposed to me actually being thirteen? #editorchat

[22:11:58] pam_baumeister: @konadad I guess so. But, if I have to make adjustments to when a story comes out, it never sits well w/ the diva. Painful 4 me. #editorchat

[22:12:06] continuum_q5: RT @timecommander: @pam_baumeister As opposed to me actually being thirteen? #editorchat it’s not about age it’s maturity;-)

[22:12:36] UTBubble: RT @pam_baumeister: Q: When is working w/ a “diva” writer worth it & when do u cut them loose? #editorchat NEVER & SOON-I’ve been th

[22:12:41] pam_baumeister: @timecommander Well…that’s impressive, too. I’m curious about what brings you to #editorchat #editorchat

[22:12:49] shortformernie: I fell off the wagon, but It was a good chat tonight guys. #editorchat

[22:12:56] ErikSherman: RT @anndouglas … heard today – some mega-bookstores want online video content for certain types book to stock title. #editorchat

[22:13:22] shortformernie: Ernie @shortformblog (http://shortformblog.com/), see you all next week! 🙂 #editorchat

[22:13:51] konadad: @pam_baumeister Yes, but the diva works for you — not the other way around. Tough, I know. #editorchat

[22:14:09] leanneclc: Another great #editorchat tonight. Really smart people, really good questions. Thank you all.

[22:14:19] timecommander: @pam_baumeister Wordful.com brought me here in literal sense…but seriously I edit for my middle school newspaper. #editorchat

[22:15:07] continuum_q5: @timecommander got to start somewhere #editorchat

[22:15:27] pam_baumeister: @konadad Good point. Thanks for the pep talk. I CAN do this! #editorchat

[22:16:05] pam_baumeister: @timecommander Smart kid. Good for you to be part of this community of writers/editors. #editorchat

[22:16:23] jlcommunication: @timecommander @pam_baumeister Dan’s perfect example of democratization of writing. The talent will rise to the top. #editorchat

[22:16:24] timecommander: @shortformernie Let me just say that I took one look at your blog… and it’s absolute gold. 🙂 #editorchat

[22:17:26] JDEbberly: @timecommander I’m following you and I will Tweet one of your blog articles tonight! GOOD JOB!! #editorchat

[22:17:59] timecommander: @pam_baumeister Thanks. I plan on writing/editing taking me far in life, why not start early. #editorchat

[22:19:03] timecommander: @JDEbberly Thanks! Hope you like the site. #editorchat

[22:21:04] JDEbberly: @timecommander Your blog is really interesting, I’m subscribing to it now in Google Reader and look forward to more! 🙂 #editorchat

[22:21:43] pam_baumeister: @jlcommunication True. Talent does rise to the top in this industry. That rise takes time, work and lots of patience, though. #editorchat

[22:21:52] a2editor: Srsly? There’s a carchat too? How can I choose between my beloved #editorchat and #carchat? Like a choice betwn peppermint and M&M cupcakes.

[22:22:02] hotspringer: @JenniferPerillo Thanks for the RT. Good to see you at #editorchat.

[22:22:39] pam_baumeister: @timecommander I’ll watch for your feature in Time Mag. ;o) Go for it! #editorchat

[22:23:09] joecortez: @pam_baumeister + @jlcommunication Agreed — talent is the result of hard work and dedication. How bad do you want it? #editorchat

[22:23:46] hotspringer: @JDEbberly Appreciated your input to #editorchat tonight. Thanks for the RT.

[22:24:28] michaelbanovsky: RT @a2editor: Srsly? There’s a carchat too? How can I choose between #editorchat n #carchat? Like a choice betwn peppermint and M&M cupcakes

[22:25:10] timecommander: @joecortez I’ll assume that question is directed toward me. How bad do I want it? I won’t stop writing. #editorchat

[22:25:23] Hergett: I meet the best tweeps at #editorchat

[22:25:53] shirleybrady: @timecommander You’re in middle school? And on #editorchat? Welcome (though likely have shoes older than you!) Will check out your blog

[22:26:32] joecortez: @timecommander It was a rhetorical question, but good answer — that drive will take you far – just hold on for dear life! #editorchat

[22:26:40] KBordessa: @leanneclc Good kernels everywhere, yes – but my patience is limited! 😉 #editorchat

[22:27:24] SuburbNews: @a2editor You are too funny about the carchat! Glad to meet you. #editorchat

[22:27:49] timecommander: @shirleybrady We have quite the funny one in you shirley. 🙂 Hope you enjoy. #editorchat

[22:28:25] a2editor: @SuburbNews Nice to meet you too. See you next week? #editorchat

[22:28:53] wendyperrin: Did I miss #editorchat yet again?! 😦

[22:29:32] The_Economy: oooh i stumbled upon #editorchat. wonder if they can give me directions to #economychat. we must be in similar neighborhoods. #economy

[22:29:36] timecommander: @wendyperrin Oh, Wendy, you missed out. The discussion that goes on in these parts are extraordinary. #editorchat

Written by LydiaBreakfast

April 20, 2009 at 11:47 am

In which we discuss bridging another divide – that of the $$ variety

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Tim (@milehighfool) and I were talking after a tweet I sent out this morning, musing on what makes a professional writer work for little or no pay.

NOTE: Professional = a writer with a solid portfolio of clips, not just starting out.

Plenty of tweeps were quick to respond to this issue that we’ve touched on in previous chats, and one that I discussed in depth in my blog post, “What Price Freedom? Another ~F~ Word: Fees.”

Here’s a sampling of what they said:

@TankaBar_Linda: Hubris and overwhelming desire for an audience. Sort of like comedians. Many of my writer friends are taking work overseas. Voracious market for U.S. writers and rates are outstanding.
(Really? Like Reverse outsourcing? Where can we find said work?)

@stephauteri: Desperation? I’d do it to break into a publication I really loved. One with perpetually low rates, like Bitch or Bust.
(Hear that editrixes of Bitch and Bust? Ms. Auteri wants to work for you!)

@Alexandrialeigh: Um…desperation? Working at a discount for a charitable organization?
(Great minds…err…pens tweet alike).

@stephauteri: Then there are those writers who don’t know their own worth, and/or don’t believe they can command higher rates.
(Yet another example of how insecurity never gets us anywhere.)

@OurManinSH: My feeling is that they love the writing and justify the fact that at least they got something for the article. Not all writers are savvy when it comes to marketing themselves…
(No kidding – it is almost another whole job in and of itself)

@anniegirl1138 define “pittance.” No one’s paying in the ‘sphere, so I write for the “glory” of it all.

(Stumbled across submission requirements for an online magazine. $50 for 1000 word feature with research and multiple sources. When does glory give way to reality of bill paying?)

@anniegirl1138: Glory sucks. 1000 words for $50? Plus research? I’ll pass. I just blog. It’s fun. My “real” stuff? Not quite done. Soon.

@bob_bobala: That’s really swimming up stream. I think you have to be creative about it. Have enough work that pays for the good stuff. It is a tragedy that the best writing often pays the least money, no? Today, I am writing tax content. God help me.

In the spirit of keeping the discussion going, as well as perhaps creating a vehicle to help writers and editors get a feel for what different markets are like in terms of fees, we’d like to follow our chat about the digital divide with a discussion of the pay divide.

How do you go from making peanuts to a living wage?

Who’s done it and how?

Should there be set pay guidelines for certain types of projects?

Do new sites and content freeloaders make the chasm wider than ever?

Talk to us…

Written by LydiaBreakfast

March 20, 2009 at 7:42 pm

Thinking Ahead to the Next #editorchat

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The next #editorchat will be held on Wednesday, Feb 18th at 8-9:30pm EST.  We’ve pushed the time up an hour from last week so we don’t have to compete with Lost so our friends in Europe can join us before they have to prop their eyelids open with toothpicks. 

We mentioned in the previous chat that we would like to address the issue of fair pay for writers (and editors), especially freelancers.  We’d also like to put our collective heads together to determine what can help us all create more quality content worthy of readers. “Not just productivity tips but an ‘if we did this, editors would have an easier time and publishers would be delighted’ sort of thing,” according to Tim.

As always, we welcome your thoughts and suggestions, and your additional questions.  Drop us a comment in the box below and let’s keep the conversation going.

Written by LydiaBreakfast

February 13, 2009 at 8:58 pm