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[20:30:23] milehighfool: And we’re live. Please introduce yourself when you join, #editorchat
[20:30:47] LydiaBreakfast: Good evening tweeps, welcome to another edition of #editorchat
[20:31:31] LydiaBreakfast: Lydia Dishman here, co-hosting along with my pal Tim Beyers @milehighfool #editorchat
[20:31:42] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast Hi everyone. I’m Dan Miranda and I’m the thirteen year old blogger who’s the face behind http://bit.ly/cyt #editorchat
[20:32:29] milehighfool: @timecommander Hi Dan. Glad you could make it. #editorchat
[20:32:41] netta50: Yay, #editorchat! I’m working and tweeting, so pardon my lapses. I’m Netta and I’m a freelance writer/editor. Missed you guys the last 2 wks
[20:32:46] joecortez: Evening! Freelance Writer Joe Cortez on this end — will be lurking on Editor Chat tonight! Looking fwd to good conversation! #editorchat
[20:32:48] JDEbberly: J. D. Ebberly out of N Virginia, I write pieces about blogging & new media and I really enjoy Editorchat! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:33:08] LydiaBreakfast: @joecortez Hi Joe, don’t just lurk, join the discussion #editorchat
[20:33:11] KatPowers: Good evening, #editorchat #editorchat
[20:33:19] LydiaBreakfast: @JDEbberly Hola JD πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:33:21] UrbanMuseWriter: I’m Susan, a Boston-based writer/blogger who covers business and lifestyle topics for consumer & trade pubs. #editorchat
[20:33:40] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers Glad you made it! #editorchat
[20:33:42] milehighfool: @netta50 Good to see you again, Netta. #editorchat
[20:33:53] LydiaBreakfast: @UrbanMuseWriter Hi Susan, welcome πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:33:54] milehighfool: @JDEbberly Thanks for joining us again, JD. #editorchat
[20:33:54] joecortez: @LydiaBreakfast I’ll pipe in where I feel its appropriate – I’m working on client content 2nite so I’m going back & forth! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:34:07] SpecialDee: I’m a Maine-based newspaper special sections editor, glad to be here #editorchat
[20:34:08] timecommander: @joecortez Hey Joe, you just wrote an excellent post on what we say online and how it can be used against us. #editorchat
[20:34:22] milehighfool: @UrbanMuseWriter Hi Susan. Thanks for coming tonight. #editorchat
[20:34:22] netta50: @milehighfool Very glad to be here πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:34:50] milehighfool: @SpecialDee Hey there. Our special sections ed. Glad you could make it. #editorchat
[20:35:00] wordful: Charles Bohannan in Hawaii. I blog about writing, blogging and finding a balance between being practical and creative. Aloha! #editorchat
[20:35:07] deegospel: Hi, Twuddies. For the next hour I will be on #editorchat. Put me on http://www.twitttersnooze.com to put my tweets to sleep.
[20:35:21] joecortez: @timecommander Thanks for the props — really appreciate the praise from an accomplished blogger! πŸ˜€ #editorchat
[20:35:22] Hergett: Rachel Hergett, reporter/editor at Bozeman Daily Chronicle. Will be in and out of #editorchat tonight.
[20:35:41] LydiaBreakfast: @wordful Hey Charles Welcome aboard #editorchat
[20:35:45] milehighfool: @wordful Hey Charles. Must be beautiful on the islands about now. #editorchat
[20:35:52] TamarahLand: good evening. newbie blogger, freelance writer. first time in #editorchat
[20:36:01] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Hi Rachel – nice to see your (real) face πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:36:04] littlebrownpen: Hi all. Nichole Robertson. Freelance writer and copy director for an organic skin care brand. #editorchat
[20:36:10] judywriter: I’m Judy. I write about construction – comm’ll & residential – & about baby boomers for a trade pub & writing a book on same. #editorchat
[20:36:13] wordful: @milehighfool Yes it is, just about all the time I guess πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[20:36:16] LydiaBreakfast: @deegospel Welcome, so glad you came #editorchat
[20:36:21] timecommander: @joecortez “accomplished blogger.” Didn’t think you even knew who I was! #editorchat
[20:36:22] milehighfool: Keep introducing yourselves as you join. I’ll get us going with the rules. #editorchat
[20:36:31] LydiaBreakfast: @TamarahLand Great thanks for coming πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:36:49] deegospel: @LydiaBreakfast I’ve been missing it. Glad I remembered. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:36:50] LydiaBreakfast: @littlebrownpen Hi Nichole #editorchat
[20:36:51] milehighfool: Rule No. 1 Observers welcome but #editorchat is for those who are, or those who work with, editors.
[20:37:01] joecortez: @timecommander We’ve talked before here and I lurk on your blog…you put out some good stuff! #editorchat
[20:37:07] LydiaBreakfast: @judywriter Hi Judy, thanks for joining #editorchat
[20:37:11] netta50: *waves* to all joining #editorchat
[20:37:12] shortformernie: Hey all, missed last week. Ernie Smith, designer, Wash. Post Express, editor ShortFormBlog (http://shortformblog.com) Woot! #editorchat
[20:37:19] milehighfool: Rule No. 2 Stay on topic. #editorchat
[20:37:26] B2BMKTGCHAT: how many marketers particpating in #editorchat? #b2bmktgchat
[20:37:45] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie Ernie so glad you could make it πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:37:54] milehighfool: Rule No. 3. Courteous comments, please. (Thank you, sir. Ma’am.) #editorchat
[20:38:03] newswise: Greetings everyone at #editorchat – if you need smart news, you should get @newswise http://tinyurl.com/cjl7vw
[20:38:12] LydiaBreakfast: @B2BMKTGCHAT 0. This is for editors and those who work with them #editorchat
[20:38:14] milehighfool: Rule No. 4. Spammers will be electrocuted. (Your computer *is* wired, pal.) #editorchat
[20:38:21] timecommander: @joecortez Glad to hear. Always happy to hear about a new reader. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:38:33] Hergett: @LydiaBreakfast I guess I’m coming out of my shell sans avatar! #editorchat
[20:38:38] BaileyMcC: Hi all Bailey managing editor @Civsource & writer @ various other places #editorchat
[20:38:54] deegospel: Hi. I’m Dee Stewart, owner of PR firm in Atlanta specializing in entertainment and green businesses. #editorchat
[20:39:00] judywriter: @LydiaBreakfast Hi! I’ve missed it for a few times & it’ll be good to sink my teeth into again. #editorchat
[20:39:44] milehighfool: @deegospel Hi Dee. You’re welcome to lurk but editorchat is for editors and those who work with them. #editorchat
[20:40:01] WillRogersPaper: Joining in – Randy Cowling from Claremore Daily Progress #editorchat
[20:40:38] LydiaBreakfast: @WillRogersPaper Hello Randy thanks for coming #editorchat
[20:40:40] milehighfool: @judywriter Glad to have you back, Judy. Should be great to have a fresh voice in our continuing discussion re: innovation. #editorchat
[20:40:53] deegospel: @milehighfool I’m also an editor of a Christian Magazine. Thanks! #editorchat
[20:41:41] milehighfool: @deegospel Great. Would love to have your perspective as an editor. #editorchat
[20:42:02] shortformernie: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! Glad to be back! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:42:04] BeckyDMBR: Hey, all! Becky here in Iow-ay! #editorchat
[20:42:22] LydiaBreakfast: So folks, this is a continuation of our discussion on innovations in our business #editorchat
[20:42:29] milehighfool: A warm up before we start: Anyone absolutely, positively going to buy the new Kindle? #editorchat
[20:42:33] judywriter: @milehighfool Thanks! Just got back from Construction Writers Assn. conference & am all inspired & fired up. #editorchat
[20:42:34] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR Woot! #editorchat
[20:42:36] deegospel: @milehighfool NP. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:42:59] deegospel: @milehighfool I’m thinking about the Kindle DX. I like that the screen is larger. #editorchat
[20:43:04] LydiaBreakfast: as Amazon unveils its large format Kindle DX, billed as a potential savior of the newspaper industry. WeÒ€ℒre not so sure. #editorchat
[20:43:09] JDEbberly: @milehighfool I want that new Kindle so badly I can taste it! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:44:10] WillRogersPaper: @milehighfool: No on Kindle #editorchat
[20:44:25] milehighfool: As I trample on Lydia’s opener. The point remains. In a discussion re: innovation the Kindle is big news. #editorchat
[20:44:30] shortformernie: @milehighfool Buy?! It should be subsidized 100% by the newspaper companies! πŸ˜€ #editorchat
[20:44:57] deegospel: @LydiaBreakfast I agree. If you can read most of the newspaper online for free. Why would the Kindle be it’s savior? #editorchat
[20:45:04] judywriter: @milehighfool I’m absolutely NOT going to buy it! I have a Gen 1 & don’t like it much. Gen 2 better but not gonna pay twice. #editorchat
[20:45:15] netta50: The price tag is pretty steep, but it’s on my wish list. #editorchat
[20:45:22] milehighfool: @shortformernie Fitting. So. Fitting. #editorchat
[20:45:44] deegospel: @milehighfool I think it’s great for magazines, because most magazines site don’t share as much content as newspapers #editorchat
[20:46:15] LydiaBreakfast: Kindle or no, what are you doing to move into this next era of publishing? We want to talk about what has worked and hasn’t. #editorchat
[20:46:43] judywriter: @shortformernie I agree w/ you too! #editorchat
[20:46:55] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast Kindle or no, what are you doing to move into this next era of publishing? #editorchat
[20:47:09] UrbanMuseWriter: @milehighfool I’m not convinced that I need a Kindle. I already do a lot of reading on my BlackBerry, plus I have an iPod. #editorchat
[20:47:14] milehighfool: Please remember to mark your answers with Q1, Q2, etc. #editorchat
[20:47:30] shortformernie: @lydiabreakfast You should see the rugburns on my face from being so close to the cutting edge. It stings. πŸ˜€ #editorchat
[20:47:32] wordful: #kindle really need to be in color — then I’ll consider buying it #editorchat
[20:47:51] melodyhritt: #editorchat not sure about buying the Kindle DX yet but this is the first time I’ve been tempted.
[20:47:53] deegospel: what question are we on? #editorchat
[20:48:09] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie that is why I have hardwood floors. Smoother πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[20:48:10] Hergett: I agree with @UrbanMuseWriter “I’m not convinced that I need a Kindle. I already do a lot of reading on my BlackBerry…” #editorchat
[20:48:59] LydiaBreakfast: @deegospel Q1 about moving into the next era – what has worked? #editorchat
[20:49:04] timecommander: @milehighfool $489 is a bit pricey. I’ll pass. #editorchat
[20:49:08] judywriter: Re next era of publishing: It’s all about new media, SM, online video, interactivity. Getting it funded is another subject, tho #editorchat
[20:49:16] KatPowers: Q1 Don’t we all have a stockpile of gadgets we thought were the greatest kicking around? Pairing down to a laptop and phone #editorchat
[20:50:01] shortformernie: Q1: Clearly, the Cuecat. That did wonders for the Dallas Morning News, didn’t it? #editorchat
[20:50:07] judywriter: @wordful I agree. The more it’s like Zinio, the better. #kindle #editorchat
[20:50:20] deegospel: q1: Creating Online Communities & providing content the community wants like Essence Magazine does is a step forward #editorchat
[20:50:45] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast Q1: social media is the future. but I agree with @KatPower. I can do just fine with a laptop and phone. #editorchat
[20:50:51] milehighfool: Q1 Devil’s Advocate: So if we don’t need the Kindle, why is it selling, and why are digital subs to the NYT selling for it? #editorchat
[20:50:51] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie can you explain to those who might not know what that is? #editorchat
[20:51:27] LydiaBreakfast: @timecommander are you homeschooled? #editorchat
[20:51:31] joecortez: Q1: Publishing needs to take new approaches that SM, Broadcast, Online, & Gadgets can not. Bring readers back w/deep content. #editorchat
[20:51:36] timecommander: @milehighfool Because the marketing behind it is genius. #editorchat
[20:51:40] shortformernie: @LydiaBreakfast Sure. Basically Belo spent a bunch of money around the time of the dot-com bubble on these barcode devices. #editorchat
[20:51:43] BeckyDMBR: Some papers are offering Kindles at lower cost w/subscriptions. Hmm. Wonder how much lower? #editorchat
[20:51:47] SuburbNews: The price of some terrific gadgets saddens me and makes me concerned about equal access for poor, even middle class. #editorchat
[20:51:54] UrbanMuseWriter: @milehighfool I will probably buy a Kindle someday but right now I just don’t feel the need to spend the $$ #editorchat
[20:51:55] JDEbberly: Q1 The Kindle is selling because there are always ppl who love gadgets. Like me! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:52:03] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast Ha, I’ve gotten that question a lot. No I’m not, I just manage my time effectively. #editorchat
[20:52:18] KatPowers: Why Kindle? RT@timecommander @milehighfool Because the marketing behind it is genius. #editorchat #editorchat
[20:52:27] milehighfool: @timecommander I’m not so sure. I think it’s because there’s an advantage to consolidating reading material. #editorchat
[20:52:31] shortformernie: @LydiaBreakfast And they cost them a TON of money because nobody wanted them and they were useless. #editorchat
[20:52:53] LydiaBreakfast: @timecommander laptops are usually the domain of homeschoolers #editorchat
[20:52:58] deegospel: q1: @milehighfool The Kindle is needed. Going Green isn’t just a celeb trend; it very well will be the future, but… #editorchat
[20:53:08] JDEbberly: RT @KatPowers: Why Kindle? RT@timecommander @milehighfool Because the marketing behind it is genius. #editorchat #editorchat
[20:53:15] judywriter: Q1: At conf I just went to, we talked about how hard it is to know/predict who’ll respond to what. Surprises, not all good. #editorchat
[20:53:23] shortformernie: That’s what we have to be afraid of when we look at things like the Kindle. The Kindle could be just like the Cuecat. #editorchat
[20:53:25] milehighfool: @shortformernie Thus the danger with innovation. But back to the question: What’s working? #editorchat
[20:53:37] deegospel: q1: the beauty of newsprint–I hope–doesn’t entirely go away. #editorchat
[20:53:38] timecommander: @LydiaBreakfast laptops are the domain of thirteen year old children in general. #editorchat
[20:53:46] milehighfool: @judywriter What was the worst or most surprising? #editorchat
[20:54:05] LydiaBreakfast: @judywriter that is why it is good to fail quickly, get out and do the next thing #editorchat
[20:54:05] superjaberwocky: @Hergett I don’t need a Kindle, but I would be on top of a large-format iPod Touch in an instant. #editorchat
[20:54:43] judywriter: Q1: What’s working is to engage ppl in stories (hard to predict which ones’ll draw), and keep pumping out content. #editorchat
[20:54:44] BeckyDMBR: @timecommander Genius marketing? Howso? #editorchat
[20:54:59] milehighfool: Twitter is working well for me as a trendspotter. The tweestream has become my breaking news feed. #editorchat
[20:55:08] deegospel: q1: What’s working? For the mags I contribute to as an editor, using SMS helps mag connect faster with their subscribers #editorchat
[20:55:17] shortformernie: I think what’s worked best so far has been the combining of Web technologies. Which newspapers are always afraid to do. #editorchat
[20:55:39] deegospel: q1: building membership sites is a way that magazines can still add revenue #editorchat
[20:55:43] milehighfool: @judywriter So we know Twitter is an engagment tool for us writers. What about Facebook and other SM. Are you using it? #editorchat
[20:55:48] KatPowers: Q1 what works is getting folks to respond immediately to stories. They get addicted. Comments, sending emails, it’s all good #editorchat
[20:55:51] judywriter: @milehighfool Worst was when we invested a lot in a major story & got more comments on a throwaway story. $$$$ #editorchat
[20:55:55] netta50: I think the appeal of Kindle is green, portability, and attractive to techies. #editorchat
[20:56:23] milehighfool: @shortformernie Yes! Mashuos — combining Web content from two or more sources into one — are easier to do now. #editorchat
[20:56:23] JDEbberly: RT @deegospel: q1: building membership sites is a way that magazines can still add revenue (I agree.) #editorchat
[20:56:35] judywriter: @LydiaBreakfast Absolutely, have to fail quickly. HARD to do in a big co. That’s why publishing co’s are struggling. #editorchat
[20:56:36] anti9to5guide: Dang, I just realized I’m missing #editorchat!
[20:56:49] shortformernie: Q1: Someone’s already built what you need Γ’β‚¬β€œ the secret is trying not to own the market but to build on top of it. #editorchat
[20:56:55] LydiaBreakfast: Facebook is too slow after using twitter. Fan and group pages are static and don’t invite discussion #editorchat
[20:56:58] JDEbberly: @anti9to5guide Welcome Back! πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:57:07] LydiaBreakfast: @anti9to5guide No you’re not, here you are πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:57:10] judywriter: @milehighfool I use FB, LinkedIn, & (obviously)twitter. Am speaking about it tomorrow, in fact. Ppl don’t get it at all! #editorchat
[20:57:17] milehighfool: Whoa. Did I say Mashuos? Sounds like potatoes gone wrong. I meant mashups. #editorchat
[20:57:22] netta50: @milehighfool FB, not so much. It’s bloated and a time suck, if not managed properly. #editorchat
[20:57:38] shortformernie: Q1: My last paper, Link, was a really great idea journalistically, and from a content and design perspective it killed. #editorchat
[20:57:40] joecortez: Q1: I agreee with @shortformernie — all the tools are there; its time to find the best application for the job at hand. #editorchat
[20:57:45] deegospel: q1: @mario1123 membership sites is a tough one? #editorchat
[20:57:47] deegospel: #editorchat
[20:58:00] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Jump in Michelle πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[20:58:02] judywriter: @milehighfool I went thru the same thing with the Web. “WHY use it?” “No good” “Too time consuming” “No value” “Play, not work” #editorchat
[20:58:17] shortformernie: Q1: But it got the Web wrong. It was late and it tried to build its own site around old technology instead of mashups. #editorchat
[20:58:30] milehighfool: @judywriter Right. So very mid-90s. #editorchat
[20:58:39] UrbanMuseWriter: RT @netta50: @milehighfool FB, not so much. It’s bloated and a time suck, if not managed properly. (I’m so over FB!) #editorchat
[20:58:42] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool I was trying to figure out what language mashuos was. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[20:58:58] shortformernie: Q1: And that was a corporate failing, BTW Γ’β‚¬β€œ they didn’t prioritize the Web the way they could have. #editorchat
[20:59:12] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR Potato Latin. #editorchat
[20:59:20] jennipps: Forgot what time #editorchat started. Trying to log in from home.
[20:59:25] shortformernie: Why build your own garden when you can buy from the farmer’s market? #editorchat
[20:59:33] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie aren’t we looking at the same problem now? #editorchat
[20:59:35] anti9to5guide: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Thx. Can’t stay long, but did wanna drop in. Freelance writer focused on career stories right now. #editorchat
[20:59:37] deegospel: q1: I also think that building exclusive events sponsored by the mag like Pink & Skirt Mag does is working for certain mags #editorchat
[20:59:50] milehighfool: RT @shortformernie: Why build your own garden when you can buy from the farmer’s market? #editorchat
[20:59:52] LydiaBreakfast: @jennipps Hi Jen #editorchat
[21:00:05] judywriter: Q1: What works is to keep technology open, don’t make it hard for ppl to participate, i.e., go thru a lot of hoops to join in. #editorchat
[21:00:24] netta50: @UrbanMuseWriter I know, right? It’s starting to be annoying, like Myspace. #editorchat
[21:00:40] judywriter: @shortformernie They’re doing the same thing w/ social media. Not getting it, not prioritizing it, not funding resources for it. #editorchat
[21:00:55] milehighfool: @deegospel Yes. Exclusivity is a time-tested strategy. #editorchat
[21:00:58] LydiaBreakfast: @judywriter agreed – am less likely to leave a comment if I have to create a profile first #editorchat
[21:00:58] KatPowers: RT@judywriter Q1: What works is to keep technology open, don’t make it hard for ppl to participate, i.e., go thru a lot of hoop #editorchat
[21:01:09] UrbanMuseWriter: @deegospel yes, but neither mag is doing well. Pink went quarterly & I believe Skirt has stopped publishing, at least in Boston #editorchat
[21:01:14] BeckyDMBR: @shortformernie Build your own garden if you like the act of gardening. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[21:01:32] WillRogersPaper: Still alot of graybeards not wanting to throw in the towel and mesh print and online. Can it be all or nothing? #editorchat
[21:01:40] milehighfool: So where’s the win when it comes to innovation? How have you benefited readers by embracing innovation? #editorchat
[21:01:49] LydiaBreakfast: @UrbanMuseWriter Skirt used to be independent, now like a franchise #editorchat
[21:01:59] deegospel: q1: @UrbanMuseWriter Skirt’s publishing in Atlanta. I’m in Atlanta. #editorchat
[21:02:09] shortformernie: @judywriter EXACTLY. A hamfisted approach to the Web is not what we need right now. #editorchat
[21:02:17] dodgemedlin: Hey all. Mark Dodge Medlin of The San Diego Union-Tribune here, keeping half an eye on #editorchat, the other 1.5 eyes on work. #editorchat
[21:02:30] LydiaBreakfast: @WillRogersPaper I don’t think all or nothing is a viable part of the new vocabulary #editorchat
[21:02:30] UrbanMuseWriter: @netta50 Too busy, too many vampire bites & pokes & prods & stuff I don’t understand #editorchat
[21:02:52] milehighfool: A Foolish example: I often tweet follow-ups to my Fool.com stories. Twiter exclusives, per se. #editorchat
[21:02:53] LydiaBreakfast: @dodgemedlin Hey Mark – thanks so much for coming #editorchat
[21:02:59] UrbanMuseWriter: @LydiaBreakfast The Boston editor announced at a panel last week that she got laid off bc they’re not publishing #editorchat
[21:03:32] judywriter: @LydiaBreakfast Co’s want to keep track of participants but ppl don’t want a hassle or to give out their info. #editorchat
[21:03:37] milehighfool: @dodgemedlin Thanks for droppng by, Mark. We’ll try not to make you cross-eyed. #editorchat
[21:03:40] LydiaBreakfast: @UrbanMuseWriter the one we have in Gville is so skinny it may as well not exist #editorchat
[21:03:57] JMegonigal: Q1:We decided NOT to put our mag digital (we want ppl to PAY for it) but we built website to complement. Has worked well so far. #editorchat
[21:03:58] anti9to5guide: @JDEbberly Thanks. Nice to be here. #editorchat
[21:04:00] judywriter: @shortformernie Hamfisted. Great word. And so dead on!! #editorchat
[21:04:22] judywriter: @shortformernie You must be a writer. LOL #editorchat
[21:04:28] shortformernie: @milehighfool Big and small. Every time we put a TinyURL in print telling readers to get even more information. #editorchat
[21:04:36] milehighfool: @UrbanMuseWriter Colorado’s books seem to be doing better. 5280 has been a Nat. Mag. Award winner. #editorchat
[21:04:36] KatPowers: @JMegonigal What do you put in one that does not go in the other? #editorchat
[21:04:44] netta50: @UrbanMuseWriter Exactly. Simple interface is so much better. You lose people with complicated and inane. #editorchat
[21:04:53] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal yes it has! Have you all seen Business Black Box? Great pub πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:05:29] lauriemeisel: Hi I was lurking. I’m the Web Producer for Architectural Record w/exp in newsletter/site editing #editorchat
[21:05:30] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Why couldn’t they also pay for digital? isn’t a mind-shift needed? #editorchat
[21:05:52] milehighfool: @lauriemeisel Glad you could make it. #editorchat
[21:06:06] LydiaBreakfast: @lauriemeisel Hi Laurie, jump on in πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:06:10] judywriter: A pub shut down 15 regional mags & laid off everybody. I thought why not redirect to the Web? Dumb, IMHO. #editorchat
[21:06:14] shortformernie: Q2: Where I’m at with Express is encouraging a continuing of the interest in the story, whether or not we have the full thing. #editorchat
[21:06:21] milehighfool: @netta50 The irony: It’s often far more complex to create something simple and elegant. #editorchat
[21:06:26] bobbyrettew: @JMegonigal Just got my @InsideBlackBox copy at the HOUSE! GREAT JOB! Very clean and INNOVATIVE! #editorchat
[21:06:39] JMegonigal: @KatPowers Expert blogs on one, full features; different articles in print. They tease back and forth, but dont cross. #editorchat
[21:06:57] ohmgee: hiya. popping tweetchat cherry. art director of oregon business magazine, former newspaper designer and tweets as @nwspprscppln #editorchat
[21:07:00] JMegonigal: @LydiaBreakfast You’re sweet. #editorchat
[21:07:04] shortformernie: Q2: So, our long-term goal for building fact boxes Γ’β‚¬β€œ since we’re short Γ’β‚¬β€œ is to let readers know where else to go online. #editorchat
[21:07:42] JMegonigal: @milehighfool could, but our market hasn’t “gotten” there yet. They still dont see a lot of value in web/digital (at least paid) #editorchat
[21:07:45] LydiaBreakfast: @ohmgee we’ll be gentle, promise πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[21:07:57] milehighfool: @shortformernie You’re the gateway to helping them get smarter. Isn’t that the currency of the Web? #editorchat
[21:08:31] WillRogersPaper: @LydiaBreakfast I agree wholeheartedly…problem is that’s a large obstacle. What I heari is simple interface, mashup of content #editorchat
[21:09:23] digitalsista: seems to be a bunch of chats going on tonight #editorchat #smallbizchat
[21:09:26] shortformernie: @milehighfool You got it. You can’t get the Web on the Metro. But you can get Express. We do our job if you go back to the Web. #editorchat
[21:09:34] netta50: @milehighfool Agreed, but worth it.U should’nt have to give a pint of blood for access, or B threatened with brain draining apps.#editorchat
[21:10:08] deegospel: i’ve lost track of the last question. #editorchat
[21:10:16] LydiaBreakfast: OK Q3, Has anyone found a good way to do long form writing? #editorchat
[21:10:19] milehighfool: @netta50 No more Zombie software. or zombie content, for that matter. #editorchat
[21:10:51] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Either on the Web or in print, yes? Speaks to how the Web seems to be killing the long form. #editorchat
[21:10:54] shortformernie: @LydiaBreakfast Considering my Twitter name, I’m leaving this one alone πŸ˜€ #editorchat
[21:11:36] ohmgee: @LydiaBreakfast whew. thank you! =) #editorchat
[21:11:37] stephauteri: @LydiaBreakfast: What do you mean re: Q3? (I’m late.) In terms of finding a market for it? #editorchat
[21:11:41] PDXsays: @LydiaBreakfast hi Lydia.. at @AboutUs for a presentation on editing and use if wikipedia and journalism #wikiwed #editorchat
[21:11:48] judywriter: Do readers benefit from innovation? We’ll, “innovation” is often barely “catching up.” Readers benefit from more & better. #editorchat
[21:11:51] milehighfool: @shortformernie Oh come on, Ernie. Take a sta. Make it bleed. Is the long form really dead? #editorchat
[21:11:55] anti9to5guide: Do you mean no. 2 pencil vs. laptop? πŸ˜‰ Kidding. I still like essays for anthologies & the few media outlets that buy ’em. #editorchat
[21:12:06] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie C’mon Ernie, if you were going to do it, how would you? Sequential narrative? #editorchat
[21:12:11] netta50: @LydiaBreakfast I’m not sure long form is viable anymore. #editorchat
[21:12:17] wordful: Long form writing works when the narrative creates a highly engaging, sacred space. Stevepavlina.com is a good example of this. #editorchat
[21:12:18] KatPowers: Whoops! Mother in law called. What is Q3? #editorchat
[21:12:22] LydiaBreakfast: @PDXsays Hi, ooh that sounds good! #editorchat
[21:12:35] milehighfool: Because I don’t buy it. I’m of the mind that the Web and social media offer limitless opporunities for low-cost experimentation. #editorchat
[21:12:36] joecortez: Q3: Long form is never dead — that’s effectively what books are. Very, VERY long form. #editorchat
[21:12:45] LydiaBreakfast: @stephauteri how to do it, how to find a market, etc. #editorchat
[21:13:11] judywriter: @LydiaBreakfast Q3, leaving that one alone too. #editorchat
[21:13:19] LydiaBreakfast: @joecortez LOL #editorchat
[21:13:45] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers Has anyone found a good way to do long form writing? #editorchat
[21:13:48] stephauteri: Q3: Finding a market for it is so tough. Everything now is listicles and bullet points and charts and graphs. #editorchat
[21:13:48] shortformernie: @milehighfool @lydiabreakfast I’ve banked my entire career on anything but the long form. I’d say it’s not my forte. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:13:51] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Essay is a perfect form for the Web. Look at Salon and Slate. #editorchat
[21:13:52] deegospel: q3: White Paper. I love a Moleskine Notebook. Makes me feel intelligent #editorchat
[21:14:03] UrbanMuseWriter: Q3 outside of books, the outlets for long-form NF is shrinking, which is as shame. #editorchat
[21:14:29] WillRogersPaper: Long form can survived if enhanced with images, video and audio #editorchat
[21:14:31] shortformernie: Q3: But that said, I do think the long form never really died on the Web. Have you seen how long some blog posts are? Really? #editorchat
[21:14:33] anti9to5guide: Yes, Salon/Slate are the bomb. #editorchat
[21:14:37] deegospel: @mario1123 lol #editorchat
[21:14:39] stephauteri: Q3: But I love those sites that still traffic in long-form stuff. As @milehighfool says, sites like Salon are a godsend. #editorchat
[21:14:41] JMegonigal: Q3: IWill we see a new trend emerge? mags; long-form mags; books. Trend for mags points to bit info. But long form not dead yet! #editorchat
[21:14:45] DavisFreeberg: I think that longform content is more attractive to niche audiences than the masses. If your pub is focused it has more value #editorchat
[21:15:19] milehighfool: So who’s had success writing the long form recently? Anyone? Longer than, say, 1,200 words. (Which used to be short.) #editorchat
[21:15:20] judywriter: @milehighfool I agree re limitless opportuniies for low-cost experimentation. Gotta love change in this business! #editorchat
[21:15:25] anti9to5guide: Just printed out a couple mediabistro articles on outlets that buy essays. It’s from 2008. Half of them are probably gone now. #editorchat
[21:15:36] LydiaBreakfast: RT @WillRogersPaper Long form can survived if enhanced with images, video and audio #editorchat
[21:15:41] deegospel: q3: @milehighfool Oh I agree. #editorchat
[21:15:45] shortformernie: Q3: Ultimately, if you have a good article and it’s compelling, people will read it. Really, short-form is for sorting the junk. #editorchat
[21:16:02] stephauteri: @anti9to5guide: I believe the MB guides are being updated right now. Thank god. #editorchat
[21:16:14] milehighfool: @JMegonigal I badly want to see a new magazine dedicated to nothing but the very best essays. Or is it already out there? #editorchat
[21:16:18] judywriter: @deegospel LOL #editorchat
[21:16:38] anti9to5guide: Yeah, sure, something for a book anthology that I wrote last month. #editorchat
[21:16:42] JMegonigal: @jamieprince That’s true. There’s a psych response to mags and books that papers dont have. Does that = Survival? Maybe. #editorchat
[21:16:44] UrbanMuseWriter: @anti9to5guide They’re working on updating & adding a part 3. Stay tuned! #editorchat
[21:16:49] stephauteri: @milehighfool: I just did a 2,000-word piece for Nerve. They kept cutting and cutting, though. #editorchat
[21:16:52] milehighfool: @shortformernie Disagree. When done well, the short form is pure art. #editorchat
[21:17:00] judywriter: Long form isn’t my fave. I could never get through a New Yorker. #editorchat
[21:17:02] SpecialDee: Q1 Great content is fine but the user experience must be enjoyable or the visitor will go to a site that is enjoyable/easy2use #editorchat
[21:17:15] joecortez: Q3: If you are passionate about the topic, and give a reason to find out how the story ends, they’ll follow the long form thru. #editorchat
[21:17:22] netta50: The definition of flash fiction is under 1500 words. What definition is “long form”? #editorchat
[21:17:33] WillRogersPaper: If sites are Hyperlocal, or Hyperfocus on niche – long form connects with a community or specific market – content still drives #editorchat
[21:17:44] stephauteri: Long-form has always been my fave, but being a paid blogger has made my ability to write long-form suffer. #editorchat
[21:17:47] mobienthusiast: Who is tweeting #editorchat questions please?
[21:17:48] UrbanMuseWriter: RT @milehighfool: @shortformernie Disagree. When done well, the short form is pure art. (here, here! almost like a haiku) #editorchat
[21:17:53] fixin2: Sorry I’m late to the dance. News editor for small daily in Mississippi. #editorchat
[21:17:57] JMegonigal: @milehighfool Not that I’m aware, but there r essay mags that r still VERY strong, right? think Harpers and New Yorker as stds. #editorchat
[21:18:08] anti9to5guide: @stephauteri @UrbanMuseWriter Yeah, saw that post on upod, which is why I went to check the earlier one(s). πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:18:11] shortformernie: @milehighfool There’s an art to sorting the junk. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:18:12] milehighfool: @stephauteri Outstanding. What details can you share about the assignment itself? Was the length intimidating for the ed.? #editorchat
[21:18:14] SpecialDee: Q1 difference between reading from computer screen and reading from paper; screens use diff neuro paths. #editorchat
[21:18:41] deegospel: RT @LydiaBreakfast: OK Q3, Has anyone found a good way to do long form writing? #editorchat
[21:19:02] LydiaBreakfast: @mobienthusiast I do the Qs #editorchat
[21:19:10] wordful: @shortformernie I don’t know…you seem to have a really artful touch with the short form on your blog. #editorchat
[21:19:19] stephauteri: @milehighfool: It was actually the length they originally asked for, but they’ve suddenly decided to go shorter across the board #editorchat
[21:19:28] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Q3 Still good mags out there. Most, if not all, are online as well, though. #editorchat
[21:19:33] stephauteri: @milehighfool: Bad timing for me, I suppose! #editorchat
[21:19:40] lauriemeisel: Q3 I don’t see long form on the web sustaining itself nowadays w/o the extra images or multimedia. Web audiences bore faster #editorchat
[21:19:43] milehighfool: @SpecialDee Wow. That sounds so William Gibson. What’s the net neuro result? #editorchat
[21:19:54] anti9to5guide: Since you bring up short online attention spans, curious, what is everyone’s max word length they’ll read in a reported column? #editorchat
[21:20:15] SpecialDee: Q1 adding diff types of media 2 site such as videos 2 accompany stories, podcasts, live chats 2 engage readers 3 times/week. #editorchat
[21:20:22] deegospel: q3: I love long form writing. I get very little requests outside of Lit & Industry Trade Journals to write. #editorchat
[21:20:38] stephauteri: @anti9to5guide: I think it depends on how compelling a piece is, especially in the first few graphs. #editorchat
[21:20:42] SuburbNews: Agree RT @WillRogersPaper If sites are Hyperlocal- long form connects with a community or specific market – content still drives #editorchat
[21:20:50] deegospel: @anti9to5guide 250 words #editorchat
[21:20:51] LydiaBreakfast: @anti9to5guide printed I can read thousands of words. Online, two page clicks, maybe three #editorchat
[21:21:00] stephauteri: @anti9to5guide: I’ll follow a piece for pages if the first few graphs pull me in. #editorchat
[21:21:09] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Most of the time, I write to 600 words. #editorchat
[21:21:12] shortformernie: @wordful To clarify: By sorting the junk, I mean organization and clarity. A good editor can clear the hay and find the needle. #editorchat
[21:21:28] DavisFreeberg: @anti9to5guide it depends on the content. I’ll spend all night reading a boring 200 page legal doc if it’s the right topic. #editorchat
[21:21:55] fixin2: Q3: I think long form on the Internet will have to be interspersed and supplemented with other media, broken into series. #editorchat
[21:21:59] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Which I know is crazy short. Wrote a 900-word query last night. #editorchat
[21:22:00] netta50: Online web copy assignment for me rarely exceed 500 words. #editorchat
[21:22:05] deegospel: @LydiaBreakfast I rarely scroll past the screen. My book blog was created with short form in mind, but my readers want more… #editorchat
[21:22:28] anti9to5guide: Interesting. I have an online column that’s supposed to be at least 2 screens 750 words. I often wind up at 1K words, 3 screens. #editorchat
[21:22:32] PDXsays: @LydiaBreakfast I am not sure about others’tweets in room.. hope they are contributing to body of knowledge #wikiwed #editorchat
[21:22:38] milehighfool: @DavisFreeberg Right. All depends on the content, and the reader’s needs. #editorchat
[21:22:50] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Wowza, that must’ve been some article you’re pitching! #editorchat
[21:22:50] DavisFreeberg: pagination has more to do with whether or not I keep reading an article, then the actual length #editorchat
[21:22:59] wordful: @shortformernie thanks for clarifying. Good editorial skills are must-have on the web. So much–I mean SO much–junk out there. #editorchat
[21:23:07] pomahony2: I am reading #editorchat. I wish that every 5 min, they would stop and they would tell us newbies what they are talking about @pomahony2
[21:23:15] TheaPatrick: Just checkin in,following the chat but no comment yet;great advice @shortformernie ! http://www.happilymarriedafter.wordpress.com #editorchat
[21:23:45] JMegonigal: Bouncing in, bouncing out. Goodnight, all. #editorchat
[21:23:47] shortformernie: @anti9to5guide My blog: 100 words is a stretching-it maximum. Some posts are as short as six words. #editorchat
[21:23:48] milehighfool: @netta50 Same. But I badly want to push the limits. I want to prove that there’s life after trying an anecdotal lede. #editorchat
[21:23:50] anti9to5guide: @deegospel I initially gasped when you said “250 words,” but yeah, color me long-winded. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[21:24:10] LydiaBreakfast: @pomahony2 we are on long form writing – how to do it and where to sell it #editorchat
[21:24:16] WillRogersPaper: Content that connects is key, multimedia essential, frequency of postings &updates – how important? I agree Org key 4 long form #editorchat
[21:24:16] anti9to5guide: @shortformernie Fun. Going to check it out this evening. #editorchat
[21:24:17] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Personal essay, it turns out. Wish me luck πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:24:30] UrbanMuseWriter: @DavisFreeberg it’s like Disneyland, where you’re tricked into waiting 45 min for a ride, bc ou don’t see how long the line is #editorchat
[21:24:54] netta50: @milehighfool My roots are in flash, so I’ve had to adapt to fit a lot of info in much less space. #editorchat
[21:24:57] wordful: RT @shortformernie @wordful By sorting junk, I mean organization and clarity. A good editor can clear the hay & find the needle #editorchat
[21:25:02] SuburbNews: @shortformernie Six words? Wow. And people thought 140 characters wasn’t enough! πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[21:25:08] AbsoluteWrite: So no – the longform isn’t dead. In some ways, in terms of fiction, might see a renaissance – and NF should get a lift from that #editorchat
[21:25:12] lauriemeisel: Q3 Even w/an engaging piece, if it is split w/too many pages online, readers drop off. And page splits are due to ad $$ #editorchat
[21:25:13] milehighfool: @WillRogersPaper Frequency also seems to be part of the new currency. On the Web, readers are like a hungry child. #editorchat
[21:26:10] netta50: @milehighfool That’s the CLIENT’S specs. They’re ordering shorter articles for their web copy. #editorchat
[21:26:08] KatPowers: RT @milehighfool @WillRogers Paper Frequency also seems to be part of the new currency. On the Web, readers are like a hungry ch #editorchat
[21:26:13] stephauteri: RT @wordful: By sorting junk, I mean organization and clarity. A good editor can clear the hay & find the needle. #editorchat
[21:26:32] milehighfool: @AbsoluteWrite That’s encouraging. But I wonder if the expectations are different for fiction? #editorchat
[21:26:32] anti9to5guide: @milehighfool Good luck! Everyone’s fave thing to write, those PEs. #editorchat
[21:26:55] judywriter: @milehighfool Yeah, but the hungry children seem to prefer sugar to vegetables. Makes it a challenge for “real” stories. #editorchat
[21:27:03] stephauteri: @wordful: You’re so right. As traumatized as I was by my truncated essay, it was also nicely tightened in the editing process. #editorchat
[21:27:32] milehighfool: RT @judywriter Yeah, but the hungry children seem to prefer sugar to vegetables. Makes it a challenge for “real” stories. #editorchat
[21:27:43] fixin2: RT @judywriter: Yeah, but the hungry children seem to prefer sugar to vegetables. Makes it a challenge for “real” stories. #editorchat
[21:27:48] AbsoluteWrite: @milehighfool #editorchat Sure, until we see NF e-books take off the way, say, paranormal romance.
[21:27:49] deegospel: q3: @fixin2 usually if i have a more than 250 words on any of my columns I use utterli or btr to create a podcast they can hear #editorchat
[21:28:10] deegospel: @anti9to5guide lol i’m usually reading online content on my blackberry #editorchat
[21:28:11] WillRogersPaper: @milehighfool updating content online = TV channel surfers – view & move on. Give them something new each time they will return #editorchat
[21:28:18] LydiaBreakfast: Q4 – With sugar vs. veggies in mind, Editors, what are you doing to engage and work more effectively with writers? #editorchat
[21:28:26] wordful: @stephauteri Maybe I RTed that Editor statement wrong. @shortformernie said it, give him credit. #editorchat
[21:28:40] anti9to5guide: @stephauteri So great how much you can learn from a thoughtful editor who has the time to prune your piece. #editorchat
[21:29:06] SuburbNews: @judywriter Funny. Coworker calls them “broccoli stories.” Long stories eg lawsuit re: pension debacle. Dry, boring but imp. #editorchat
[21:29:11] stephauteri: RT @shortformernie: By sorting junk, I mean organization and clarity. A good editor can clear the hay & find the needle. #editorchat
[21:29:28] stephauteri: @wordful: Thanks dude! My bad. #editorchat
[21:29:31] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Q4 – Editors, what are you doing to engage and work more effectively with writers? #editorchat
[21:29:49] KatPowers: Sooo many writers don’t understand what the new expectations are online. Communicating that is key (Is that Q4? Q5?) #editorchat
[21:30:01] deegospel: RT @lauriemeisel: Q3 Even w/an engaging piece, if it’s split w/many pages online, readers drop off. & page splits R due 2 ad $$ #editorchat
[21:30:05] anti9to5guide: @deegospel Ah, that explains it. I need to remember that some people are reading our work on a two-inch screen. πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[21:30:15] WillRogersPaper: A4 – talk, talk, talk with writers. explore angles, glean nuggets, help them connect with reader #editorchat
[21:30:21] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers Q4 #editorchat
[21:30:23] milehighfool: @SuburbNews A perfect opportunity for innovation, no? Why do long stories have to be boring? Can’t they be dramatic and newsy? #editorchat
[21:30:37] judywriter: Q4. It’s good to have a mix of both types. Easier to get the variety w/ a lot of freelancers, especially now w/ high unemploy. #editorchat
[21:30:44] JMegonigal: Q4: try to build and maintain a SMALL pool/writers who know us + who we can spoil w/ conferences or food every once and a while. #editorchat
[21:30:54] KatPowers: @LydiaBreakfast d’oh! #editorchat
[21:30:56] jennipps: Hi, everyone! Bad connection at home finally let me in. Jen, freelance writer in south Oklahoma. #editorchat
[21:31:14] UrbanMuseWriter: @KatPowers tell us more! what do you wish writers did differently? #editorchat
[21:31:34] judywriter: @SuburbNews Certain ppl need those dry-but-important stories, & it establishes the pub as the authority. #editorchat
[21:31:34] LydiaBreakfast: @JMegonigal hmmm food? drinks too? πŸ˜‰ #editorchat
[21:31:39] milehighfool: @JMegonigal Excellent. And your branch office in Colorado opens when? #editorchat
[21:31:49] JMegonigal: Q4 I’ll pay for conferences for whole pool when I can – it builds them up and pays off for ME in the long run! #editorchat
[21:32:13] Hergett: @SuburbNews: @judywriter “Broccoli stories” possibly a reference to Lamott’s “Bird by Bird” #editorchat
[21:32:16] milehighfool: @jennipps Glad you made it, Jen. Talking about innovation success stories. #editorchat
[21:32:17] AbsoluteWrite: @milehighfool #editorchat in terms of longer form NF (10-20K words) It’s an area to examine, and e-book for handheld is the clear platform
[21:32:37] KatPowers: @UrbanMuseWriter You can’t wait for a print deadline, file now; Write with SEO in mind (Use name of town, not just “police said” #editorchat
[21:33:04] milehighfool: @AbsoluteWrite Agreed. This is one of those area where the Kindle could be a killer app. An iTablet from Apple, too. #editorchat
[21:33:18] DavisFreeberg: I bet brief but frequent articles is better 4 pubs that use ad revenue, while long is better for those who charge subscriptions #editorchat
[21:33:25] deegospel: @AbsoluteWrite Ebook. Yes, I agree. #editorchat
[21:33:45] milehighfool: RT @KatPowers: You can’t wait for a print deadline, file now; Write with SEO in mind (Use name of town, not just “police said” #editorchat
[21:33:49] SuburbNews: @Hergett I’ll ask him πŸ™‚ Yes, agree @milehighfool. Challenge is to make them more readable, compelling. Good writing, multimedia #editorchat
[21:33:50] judywriter: @Hergett That’s way too high-brow for me. I’m a NASCAR fan. LOL #editorchat
[21:33:55] jennipps: @KatPowers But at the same time, don’t write SEO for the sake of SEO or it doesn’t sound right. #editorchat
[21:34:09] JMegonigal: @milehighfool As soon as I can get there. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:34:19] milehighfool: @KatPowers So should today’s writers also be bloggers to learn these sorts of innovations? #editorchat
[21:34:28] deegospel: @Hergett I love “Bird by Bird” πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:34:34] KatPowers: @jennipps But there’s an art to it. #editorchat
[21:34:50] judywriter: @KatPowers The problem is that so few writers understand SEO. And they keep changing what the search engines pick up. #editorchat
[21:34:50] UrbanMuseWriter: @jennipps I think it becomes more natural with practice, but I’ve had to tell clients their SEO goals will destroy good content #editorchat
[21:35:13] KatPowers: @milehighfool I think blogging helps, but a good editor explaining the rules of the road will help most #editorchat
[21:35:16] jennipps: @KatPowers There definitely is that. #editorchat
[21:35:31] KatPowers: @judywriter And that’s why I’m learning from all you folks on twitter. #editorchat
[21:35:34] jennipps: @UrbanMuseWriter Agreed on all counts. You can spot the first SEO articles I did a mile away. lol #editorchat
[21:35:49] deegospel: @milehighfool Maybe not Blog owners, but it wouldn’t hurt for them to guestblog #editorchat
[21:35:50] judywriter: @milehighfool All pub writers should also be bloggers, IMHO. Adds dimension & personality. #editorchat
[21:35:51] milehighfool: @UrbanMuseWriter That officially qualifies you for writing sainthood in my book. #editorchat
[21:36:10] KatPowers: @UrbanMuseWriter I think you’re right that it can stink, but a little SEO goes a long way #editorchat
[21:36:25] UrbanMuseWriter: I won’t put a certain word in every post title just bc you want to rank higher for that word. It has to make sense! #editorchat
[21:36:30] LydiaBreakfast: so should editors start teaching SEO to their writers, or is it up to the writers to get schooled? #editorchat
[21:36:43] milehighfool: @KatPowers Yes. There’s really few things better than having a good editor to guide you. #editorchat
[21:36:46] KatPowers: RT @judywriter @milehighfool All pub writers should also be bloggers, IMHO. Adds dimension & personality. #editorchat
[21:36:56] jennipps: @KatPowers That’s a lesson I had to learn quickly. I’m not saying I’ve completely mastered it, but I feel like I’m getting there #editorchat
[21:37:00] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @KatPowers Yes. There’s really few things better than having a good editor to guide you. #editorchat
[21:37:18] KatPowers: @milehighfool A good editor who makes cookies is best #editorchat
[21:37:20] deegospel: @JMegonigal Yey for Anne Lamotte @Hergrett #editorchat
[21:37:29] SpecialDee: @KatPowers Blogs r community builders. What are blogs? Portals 2 topic-based world of information, comments, links, multimedia? #editorchat
[21:37:36] milehighfool: @KatPowers I agree. All freelancers, especially. Shows off your talent and topical interests to editors. #editorchat
[21:37:41] deegospel: RT @KatPowers: @milehighfool A good editor who makes cookies is best #editorchat
[21:37:41] jennipps: @LydiaBreakfast I’d say it’s up to the individual writers to learn SEO. That’s not to say eds can’t point out good resources tho #editorchat
[21:37:50] SpecialDee: @milehighfool It’s the screen flicker that affects the way online content is read AND understood #editorchat http://bit.ly/pTeGm
[21:38:50] JDEbberly: I definitely agree with you Jen that writers need to learn SEO. Lots of great blogs about it. #editorchat
[21:39:05] KatPowers: @SpecialDee Maybe I like them on blogs as that’s how I learned this web stuff #editorchat
[21:39:17] JMegonigal: @jennipps Agreed. SOME editor are leaders and will take it on themselves to teach, train, stretch. Many just have a title. #editorchat
[21:39:31] lauriemeisel: @milehighfool Interesting point re: writers being bloggers. Good bloggers have learned what is needed to keep readers returning #editorchat
[21:39:40] deegospel: Editors should know SEO. I edit for SEM, and let the writer just Write. #editorchat
[21:39:44] joecortez: SEO is proof that you know your audience — and how to interact with them. If you don’t know, better ask somebody! #editorchat
[21:39:45] milehighfool: What about communication tools? Anyone tried creating editorial social networks using tools like Yammer? #editorchat
[21:39:55] KatPowers: @JDEbberly what’s the best blog to send a reporter to to learn SEO? #editorchat
[21:40:17] UrbanMuseWriter: Q4 Lately, I’ve found that the eds I work w/ don’t have a formal style guide. I can read the pub, but clear expectations help #editorchat
[21:40:31] jennipps: @JMegonigal I think relying on eds to teach writers is a mistake. Our initiative is part of what puts us above others query-wise #editorchat
[21:40:32] SpecialDee: Q3 I think long form on the web is fine but it is tied to design: typography, graphics. #editorchat
[21:40:42] JDEbberly: @KatPowers I’ll have to get back to you on that. #editorchat
[21:40:56] deegospel: @KatPowers @skydiver @problogger @chrisbrogran are great starts #editorchat
[21:41:06] milehighfool: Yammer is like a private version of Twitter, BTW. #editorchat
[21:41:30] wordful: If you focus on writing clear, concise and compelling copy, you will naturally write keyword-dense copy. [I stole this statement #editorchat
[21:41:32] AbsoluteWrite: #editorchat We’ve used LJ groups, conference AIM chats, private messageboard rooms, Google docs, and wikis, to good effect
[21:41:38] jennipps: @milehighfool Thanks for that. I’d heard of Yammer but never what it was like/about. #editorchat
[21:41:41] stephauteri: RT @jennipps: I think relying on eds to teach writers is a mistake. Our initiative is part of what puts us above others. #editorchat
[21:41:43] AngEngland: RT @judywriter: @milehighfool All pub writers should also be bloggers, IMHO. Adds dimension & personality. #editorchat
[21:42:10] JDEbberly: @deegospel Yep, @ChrisBrogan and @Problogger are really great at SEO #editorchat
[21:42:16] milehighfool: @joecortez Your audience, or your search engine? Do SEO and audience really correlate that closely? #editorchat
[21:42:16] SpecialDee: Q3 There are different “rules” for what is pleasing to the eye in print and what is pleasing on the web. #editorchat
[21:42:24] shortformernie: @wordful Nice steal! I agree with that completely. #editorchat
[21:42:33] KatPowers: Google groups has worked for a number of us, @milehighfool #editorchat
[21:42:37] anti9to5guide: Have to duck out. My date/dinner is here and I’m still in my robe. Thx for the great chat, folks. #editorchat
[21:43:02] deegospel: @anti9to5guide have a great night. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:43:04] LydiaBreakfast: @anti9to5guide enjoy the date πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:43:05] RTseo: RT @milehighfool @joecortez your audience, or your search engine? do seo and audience really correlate that closely? #editorchat
[21:43:07] KatPowers: I mean Google Docs. Google Groups? #editorchat
[21:43:23] Hergett: SEO is crucial for eds today, but how to convince privately-held (aka stodgy ) papers it’s necessary is still a challenge for me #editorchat
[21:43:29] JDEbberly: http://chrisbrogan.com and http://problogger.net are great blogs to learn SEO #editorchat
[21:43:35] SpecialDee: Q3 special sections may have 8 pages 2 provide quality articles. Both online and in print = 500 word articles, 750 maximum. #editorchat
[21:43:35] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Have fun. #editorchat
[21:43:36] lauriemeisel: @LydiaBreakfast Both. editors need to know SEO as do effective web writers #editorchat
[21:43:56] KatPowers: @Hergett When your page views are bigger than theirs, they’ll get it #editorchat
[21:44:05] JMegonigal: @jennipps True. Can’t rely. But editors who CAN lead, should. #editorchat
[21:44:08] joecortez: @milehighfool If your audience can’t find you, what good is the content? That being said, writers can also overdose on SEO… #editorchat
[21:44:11] KatPowers: @JDEbberly woot! #editorchat
[21:44:20] AbsoluteWrite: @LydiaBreakfast The problem is excessive SEO SEV keyword-loading can actually count as spam and too often writers Don’t Get It #editorchat
[21:44:24] shortformernie: @anti9to5guide Have a good one! #editorchat
[21:44:28] jennipps: @JMegonigal I have no argument with that. πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[21:44:34] netta50: RT @lauriemeisel: @LydiaBreakfast Both. editors need to know SEO as do effective web writers #editorchat
[21:44:37] joecortez: @milehighfool Your point is understood though — balancing quality content with SEO is truly a science. #editorchat
[21:44:50] JMegonigal: @milehighfool We are now building an intranet for our writers where they can pick up assignments, get resources, billing, etc. #editorchat
[21:44:59] JaySlacks: I wish writers could spend more time writing and less time on the business end of things. But those days are over. #editorchat
[21:45:01] LydiaBreakfast: Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check? #editorchat
[21:45:11] GetResults: Like RT @JDEbberly I definitely agree w U Jen that writers need 2 learn SEO. Lots of great blogs about it. #editorchat – pitch 2 strength
[21:45:18] LydiaBreakfast: That was Q 5 folks – Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check? #editorchat
[21:45:39] UrbanMuseWriter: @JMegonigal your intranet sounds fantastic – a great central resource for writers! #editorchat
[21:45:41] KatPowers: @JaySlacks I don’t remember a time there wasn’t a biz end to writing #editorchat
[21:45:45] milehighfool: @joecortez I’m sure that’s true. Wish I had a better understanding of it. Seems to be an area where writers can help. #editorchat
[21:46:00] deegospel: @AbsoluteWrite exactly that’s why i edit for SEO and SEM. don’t want writers losing their voice #editorchat
[21:46:27] milehighfool: RT @LydiaBreakfast: That was Q 5 folks – Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check? #editorchat
[21:46:38] CathyWebSavvyPR: RT @joecortez: @milehighfool Your point is understood though — balancing quality content with SEO is truly a science. #editorchat
[21:47:09] LydiaBreakfast: Switching gears from SEO to sourcing : Q5 Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check? #editorchat
[21:47:15] KatPowers: Q5 @milehighfool the humble link? Keeps a lot of folks honest #editorchat
[21:47:16] milehighfool: Also, an early killjoy warning as Q5 goes out: 10 minutes till we’re back to intros and a link, if you want to post one. #editorchat
[21:47:23] netta50: @JaySlacks Me too. I spend more times sometimes on the biz end than actual writing.#editorchat
[21:47:24] deegospel: RT @LydiaBreakfast: q5: Has anyone found new and better ways to source (besides HARO) and fact-check? #editorchat
[21:47:39] JDEbberly: RT @joecortez: @milehighfool Your point is understood though — balancing quality content with SEO is truly a science. #editorchat
[21:47:52] merylkevans: I think many writers who claim to have SEO and SEM expertise really do not. Many don’t even know the difference between them. #editorchat
[21:48:26] jennipps: Q5 – I’m on the lookout for additional sourcing sites other than HARO. I use Twitter some for this… #editorchat
[21:48:38] milehighfool: @KatPowers A link rather than a pitch. So if you have a site or a blog, tell us. #editorchat
[21:49:03] jennipps: @merylkevans I admit I need to learn about SEM. #editorchat
[21:49:24] merylkevans: Q5: Social networks. Blogs, LinkedIn, Twitter. #editorchat
[21:49:43] milehighfool: @merylkevans (Raises hand.) I don’t know the difference. #editorchat
[21:50:10] merylkevans: @jennipps The problem is that SEM is about buying ads & keywords, not writing. I wrote about the difference – tough article. #editorchat
[21:50:25] LydiaBreakfast: @milehighfool difference between “optimization” and “marketing” #editorchat
[21:50:41] UrbanMuseWriter: Q5 Anyone used PitchRate.com? Sounds similar to HARO but I haven’t tried it #editorchat
[21:50:45] LydiaBreakfast: paid vs. free #editorchat
[21:50:52] JaySlacks: @netta50 I think part of that is our impatience as writers. We want recognition badly. Good writing takes decades, not years. #editorchat
[21:51:24] netta50: @jennipps Twitter is a great gateway. #editorchat
[21:51:44] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Which is which? Paid / free? #editorchat
[21:51:55] milehighfool: @JaySlacks True. And that’s discouraging for a lot of would-be writers who don’t want to enjoy the journey. #editorchat
[21:52:02] LydiaBreakfast: @JaySlacks Agreed – did you read Gladwell’s Outliers? He argues it takes 10K hours to become really good at anything #editorchat
[21:52:04] merylkevans: @UrbanMuseWriter Q5: PitchRate is nice. It’s a web site and you can receive emails. Also media kitty, but not completely free. #editorchat
[21:52:04] netta50: @JaySlacks Agreed. That’s part of it. The other part is earning a living as you go. Balance is hard to find. #editorchat
[21:52:18] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR SEO free, SEM pay #editorchat
[21:52:41] CathyWebSavvyPR: RT @merylkevans: Q5: Social networks. Blogs, LinkedIn, Twitter. #editorchat
[21:52:51] milehighfool: On Q5: Has anyone successfully used FB for sourcing? LinkedIn? #editorchat
[21:52:55] LydiaBreakfast: RT @netta50 Agreed. That’s part of it. The other part is earning a living as you go. Balance is hard to find. AMEN! #editorchat
[21:53:02] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR SEO free, SEM pay #editorchat
[21:53:11] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast K. Thanks. #editorchat
[21:53:22] bacigalupe: Following the #editorchat discussion, hard to respond quickly with my itouch, thank you all for the great ideas on lenght and scope
[21:53:33] JaySlacks: @KatPowers But there was a time where the writing was more important than the business. That’s gone, sadly. #editorchat
[21:53:33] jennipps: @milehighfool Facebook, never. LinkedIn, I’ve gotten close but it didn’t work out. #editorchat
[21:53:44] JMegonigal: @milehighfool We used LinkedIN recently. VERY efficient. Cut the column time by 75% easy. #editorchat
[21:53:50] UrbanMuseWriter: @milehighfool HARO grew out of a FB group & I used it when it was on FB #editorchat
[21:54:01] merylkevans: SEO – organic… drives your site’s pages to higher results on search engines. SEP – paid placement and lots of testing. #editorchat
[21:54:10] bacigalupe: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Facebook is too slow after using twitter. Fan and group pages are static and don’t invite discussion #editorchat
[21:54:20] merylkevans: @merylkevans That’s SEM not SEP! #editorchat
[21:54:28] netta50: It’s the rare non-fiction writer that doesn’t indulge in their fiction habit. Fiction takes longer; NF pays the bills. #editorchat
[21:54:47] DavisFreeberg: @milehighfool I’ve used LinkedIn b4. Glassdoor is also good resource. My fav though is reverse server searches via yougotsignal #editorchat
[21:54:52] milehighfool: Where else? Name one great must-use source before we close. #editorchat
[21:55:07] JBMovies: @merylkevans I don’t pay for ppl to visit my site. Everything based on ppl conversing with me, or PR #editorchat
[21:55:09] judywriter: @milehighfool Q5. I’ve found twitter to be exceptional for sources, FB not much, LinkedIn for prof colleagues. #editorchat
[21:55:12] UrbanMuseWriter: @UrbanMuseWriter Sometimes I’ll post a FB status update about the sources I need. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. #editorchat
[21:55:23] milehighfool: My favorite is the news sites of the popular analyst firms. NPD, comScore, etc. #editorchat
[21:55:28] jennipps: @netta50 Hee. I can vouch for that. I’m dusting off my short fiction & sending it out. Got a rejection today. Onward & upward. #editorchat
[21:55:40] deegospel: q5: @milehighfool i used LinkedIn when I’m building content for Trade Journal. for entertainment mags photobloggers are a help #editorchat
[21:55:40] merylkevans: @milehighfool Good old fashioned Internet research. #editorchat
[21:55:50] JaySlacks: @LydiaBreakfast Most of the best writers weren’t writers when they were writing. The writing came later, raw and brilliant. #editorchat
[21:55:55] Colgo: @milehighfool I used LinkedIn for info – asked same q on FB, Twitter; best response on LinkedIn despite being smallest network #editorchat
[21:56:02] KatPowers: I write about a city, so this is over my head. I use a phone book. Q5 #editorchat
[21:56:03] lauriemeisel: @milehighfool Q5 Haven’t personally but work with an editor who successfully used LinkedIn for sourcing. #editorchat
[21:56:06] judywriter: @JMegonigal What’s your secret to using LinkedIn? I have 200+ contacts & still find Twitter much better. #editorchat
[21:56:11] milehighfool: For people, I like specialist sites: GameSpy or the discussion boards at Fool.com. #editorchat
[21:56:38] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: For people, I like specialist sites: GameSpy or the discussion boards at Fool.com. #editorchat
[21:56:44] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Q5 Sourcing on FB? Not yet but lots of chatter w/colleagues. #editorchat
[21:57:01] milehighfool: We’re at the time, folks. Four minutes to go so, if you want, re-intro yourself and post a link. #editorchat
[21:57:09] netta50: Twitter trends, Google trends, morning news #editorchat
[21:57:11] CathyWebSavvyPR: @judywriter On linked in – one key to reaching people is to ask and answer questions both on mian site and w/in groups #editorchat
[21:57:26] deegospel: @AbsoluteWrite True. Readers will disconnect easy and You don’t want to lose their loyalty. #editorchat
[21:57:43] milehighfool: And while you’re doing that I have a public service announcement. We’re thinking of upgrading editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat
[21:57:59] JaySlacks: @milehighfool Our society has supported the Arts since when? 60s? 70s? Writers can’t write if they are networking constantly #editorchat
[21:58:00] JMegonigal: @judywriter I find L.I. to have a higher “credibility” bc of the amount of info. For my purposes, much better. #editorchat
[21:58:02] LydiaBreakfast: Almost ready to wrap so, if you want, re-intro yourself and post a link. #editorchat
[21:58:12] jennipps: Jen Nipps, fl writer in s Oklahoma. New article up on TutorialBlog – http://www.tutorialblog.org/author/jen-nipps. Also new @OWFI PR #editorchat
[21:58:17] CathyWebSavvyPR: RT @JMegonigal: @judywriter I find L.I. to have a higher “credibility” bc of the amount of info. For my purposes, much better. #editorchat
[21:58:18] JDEbberly: JD Ebberly hailing from N VA, writes about blogging & new media. The only link U need is https://editorchat.wordpress.com/ #editorchat
[21:58:22] JMegonigal: @judywriter I created a group for the mag; then set Discussions on that group to get sources/info. #editorchat
[21:58:29] judywriter: @CathyWebSavvyPR OK, I’ll give it another chance. thanks! #editorchat
[21:58:35] deegospel: @milehighfool q5: I do use Facebook. I have a box on there. I tell them what articles I’m working on & they connect #editorchat
[21:58:40] shortformernie: @milehighfool Howso? #editorchat
[21:58:47] stephauteri: Oy. I had nothin’ those last 2 qs. C’est la vie. Thanks for the chat everyone! I’m a writer for Nerve and other fine pubs. #editorchat
[21:58:49] jennipps: RT @JaySlacks @milehighfool Our society has supported the Arts since when? 60s? 70s? Writers can’t write if they are networking #editorchat
[21:58:52] Hergett: @milehighfool I have effectively used FB for sourcing a couple times, especially locally where I have mutual contacts. #editorchat
[21:58:52] merylkevans: ID is my name and the article I mentioned on SEO/SEM is here: http://bit.ly/WIlIV #editorchat
[21:58:56] judywriter: @JMegonigal I can understand that. #editorchat
[21:59:02] UrbanMuseWriter: Thx, all! I’m Susan, a Boston-based business/lifestyle writer who blogs at http://www.UrbanMuseWriter.com #editorchat
[21:59:03] KatPowers: editing a weekly paper and an online daily at http://www.wickedlocal.com/somerville outside Boston #editorchat
[21:59:07] SuburbNews: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Thanks for another lovely chat. Now time to get my kids in bed (way past bed time, ugh) #editorchat
[21:59:10] milehighfool: If you’d be at all open to donating a few bucks to help with the cost, DM or @reply to me or Lydia. #editorchat
[21:59:19] netta50: RT @JaySlacks: @milehighfool Our society has supported the Arts since 60’sWriters can’t write if they are networking constantly #editorchat
[21:59:21] shortformernie: Ernie Smith, Designer Wash. Post Express, editor ShortFormBlog (http://shortformblog.com) AND NO I DON’T HATE LONG FORM! πŸ˜€ #editorchat
[21:59:33] jennipps: @merylkevans Thanks for the link, Meryl. #editorchat
[21:59:42] CathyWebSavvyPR: @milehighfool are you bringing it over to wordpress.org on it’s own URL? #editorchat
[21:59:47] JMegonigal: Jordana Megonigal, editor-in-chief of a business pub in Greenville, S.C. http://www.InsideBlackBox.com #editorchat
[21:59:57] milehighfool: @shortformernie Clean up the stly, load pages faster, etc. #editorchat
[21:59:58] JDEbberly: Thanks for another FABULOUS chat, @milehighfool & @LydiaBreakfast and everyone at Editorchat, week after riveting week ! #editorchat
[22:00:03] judywriter: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast This really isn’t fair. I didn’t intend to stay for the whole chat. Thx for great session! #editorchat
[22:00:24] jennipps: @milehighfool If you can take PayPal, I can/will. #editorchat
[22:00:33] deegospel: Dee Stewart blogger, pr pro, mag editor, former journalist. Atlanta. read my profile. this was my first time here. had fun. #editorchat
[22:00:35] shortformernie: I faded out a little at the end there but tonight was a really good chat, guys. Feel free to follow me @shortformblog or here. #editorchat
[22:00:38] joecortez: Thanks for a great chat! Joe Cortez, Freelance Writer/Multimedia Producer for Hire! Latest Project: http://tinyurl.com/cn88vd #editorchat
[22:00:57] JaySlacks: @netta50 That’s interesting. I think fiction requires a strong and powerful distraction sometimes. #editorchat
[22:00:59] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast Thanks for another great chat! Back to the pollen in Iow-ay for me. #editorchat
[22:00:59] milehighfool: @judywriter Glad you could make it. Thanks to all. Keep going if you’d like but we’re about out of here. #editorchat
[22:01:06] LydiaBreakfast: @joecortez Thanks Joe #editorchat
[22:01:15] SpecialDee: Q5: LinkedIn discussion and QandA areas are great resources. #editorchat
[22:01:21] LydiaBreakfast: @shortformernie Thanks Ernie πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[22:01:30] ohmgee: re-intro: martin gee: lurker, art director of oregon business magazine, former newspaper designer (merc). tweets @nwspprscppln #editorchat
[22:01:32] joecortez: Much thanks and appreciation to @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast for hosting another wonderful session! #editorchat
[22:01:44] Hergett: Rachel Hergett, reporter/editor Bozeman Daily Chronicle. http://www.dailychronicle.com/ & http://www.linkedin.com/pub/12/b9b/26 #editorchat
[22:01:51] jennipps: Great chat. Sorry I missed most of it. Actually almost completely forgot about it. Too wild a weekend at the conference I guess. #editorchat
[22:01:52] LydiaBreakfast: @ohmgee Thanks Martin, please join us again #editorchat
[22:01:57] CathyWebSavvyPR: Travel writer from se PA & location/attraction photographer (PR pro & blogger 2 but the walls between the 2 are inviolate) #editorchat
[22:01:58] judywriter: @JMegonigal Congrats on being so forward-looking & innovative. Clearly it’s working! #editorchat
[22:02:00] KatPowers: Indeed. You folks rock #editorchat
[22:02:01] JDEbberly: Transcripts of tonight’s chat can be found at https://editorchat.wordpress.com/ & http://twemes.com/editorchat #editorchat
[22:02:03] merylkevans: This is one of my two fave chats. Thanks, @lydiabreakfast and @milehighfool for another winner. #editorchat
[22:02:07] LydiaBreakfast: @Hergett Glad you came Rachel #editorchat
[22:02:18] netta50: Freelance writer/editor, and you can find me on http://www.wordwebbing.com. Great chat, as usual, thanks Tim and Lydia! #editorchat
[22:02:24] LydiaBreakfast: @merylkevans Thanks for coming #editorchat
[22:02:38] lauriemeisel: @LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool Thanks for having this newbie. Learned a lot! #editorchat
[22:02:39] LydiaBreakfast: @KatPowers As do you, our chatters πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[22:02:58] milehighfool: @merylkevans Thanks much. These are always fun and informative for us. #editorchat
[22:03:01] wendyperrin: Another late night at the office. Finally on the train headed home . . . & find out I’ve missed #editorchat yet again. Drat.
[22:03:40] JDEbberly: @jennipps That must have been one memorable conference, Jen! Glad you enjoyed it! πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[22:03:47] milehighfool: @wendyperrin You’ll make it one of these days. Thanks for the sentiment. We appreciate it. #editorchat
[22:03:53] LydiaBreakfast: @wendyperrin sorry you missed it, we would like to hear from you sometime #editorchat
[22:04:00] CathyWebSavvyPR: Thanks @milehighfool and @LydiaBreakfast for running a great chat – I mostly listened in – #editorchat
[22:04:15] LydiaBreakfast: @lauriemeisel Glad you came πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[22:04:19] deegospel: @LydiaBreakfast thanks for inviting me. i had fun #editorchat
[22:04:21] SpecialDee: Thanks @LydiaBreakfast and @milehighfool for hosting #editorchat Always learn much!
[22:04:31] KatPowers: @wendyperrin RT @JDEbberly Transcripts of tonight’s chat can be found at https://editorchat.wordpress.com/ & http://twemes.com/ed #editorchat
[22:04:41] LydiaBreakfast: @deegospel you are most welcome πŸ™‚ #editorchat
[22:04:56] LydiaBreakfast: @SpecialDee Ms Dee, thank you! #editorchat
[22:05:24] JMegonigal: @judywriter Thank you. That’s sweet. #editorchat
[22:05:46] netta50: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast Always interesting and fabulous. Thanks. #editorchat
[22:05:59] AbsoluteWrite: #editorchat thanks, all. As always, was interesting and excellent food for thought
[22:06:12] JMegonigal: Good night. Thanks again to @lydiabreakfast and @milehighfool for a great #editorchat
[22:06:39] LydiaBreakfast: Thanks all for coming, your co-host Lydia Dishman, freelance features writer for business, travel, food and style (and more!) #editorchat
[22:07:02] judywriter: @milehighfool Will you take a contribution via PayPal? #editorchat
[22:07:07] milehighfool: Great work, all. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, freelance writer of big ideas: http://timbeyers.com #editorchat
[22:07:37] shortformernie: @lydiabreakfast @milehighfool Thanks for the great work as always guys! #editorchat
[22:08:04] LydiaBreakfast: public service announcement: We’re thinking of upgrading editorchat.wordpress.com, DM us if you’d like to donate and help out πŸ™‚ #editorchat

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Written by LydiaBreakfast

May 12, 2009 at 11:02 am

Transcript of #editorchat 3-25

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#editorchat was created to be an inclusiveΒ forum for writers and editors to get together and talk about how to work more effectively together.Β  In less than two months it has been a great success and continues to grow.Β  We had a terrific session on Wednesday, thanks to the appearance of John Byrne.Β  His tweets generated a interesting talk among the participants, many of whom joined in for the first time.Β Β If you missed it, you can read about it here, and hopefully, you’ll chime inΒ next week.Β 

NOTE:Β  The following transcript has been modified to remove comments from two spoilers users that did not add anything to theΒ discussion except harassing commentary.Β  We are trying to run a productive and helpful forum.Β  Constructive criticism delivered in a respectful manner is welcomed.Β  But if anyone has a personal beef with a member of the media or a specific publication, the appropriate way to have those comments be heard is to contact the individual or organization directly.

[20:00:15] JOHNABYRNE: Welcome everyone. And thanks to LydiaBreakfast for inviting me to moderate #editorchat tonight. So what’s the best way to start?

[20:00:22] LydiaBreakfast: And we are live tweeps, welcome to another edition of editorchat #editorchat

[20:00:45] milehighfool: And we’re live. Please introduce yourselves and welcome @JOHNABYRNE. #editorch

[20:01:09] Willowbottom: Tonight on #editorchat, @JOHNABYRNE – do join! But if you won’t be, you may want to filter me out for the next little bit.

[20:01:23] jimmcbee: RT @milehighfool: Tweeps: Filter #editorchat for the next 1.5 hrs if you don’t want to hear my tweets about community content. #editorchat

[20:01:57] JOHNABYRNE: Thank you Lydia. #editorchat

[20:02:22] jennipps: Hi, all! Jen Nipps here, in south Oklahoma, fl writer specializing in writing/creativity, freelancing, & plus-size issues. #editorchat

[20:02:28] shirleybrady: Hi all – Shirley Brady here, work with John (BW.com community editor) – looking forward to this! #editorchat

[20:02:32] LydiaBreakfast: Everyone, please tell us who you are and what you do before we start the questions #editorchat

[20:02:32] JDEbberly: Welcome to Editorchat, John A Byrne. We’re honored and humbled by your presence. #editorchat

[20:02:50] milehighfool: @PDXsays All the details are ateditorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[20:02:55] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool I’m here. Freelance journalist in Iow-ay! #editorchat

[20:03:13] jennipps: @PDXsays Easiest way, IMO, is go to http://www.tweetchat.com and log in with your Twitter ID & password. Type “editorchat” in the box. #editorchat

[20:03:31] JOHNABYRNE: @JDEbberly Thanks! #editorchat

[20:03:39] jennipps: @JOHNABYRNE Thank you for coming & guest-moderating. #editorchat

[20:04:00] littlebrownpen: Welcome John! Hi everyone. Nichole Robertson, freelance writer and Copy Director for a German organic skin care brand. #editorchat

[20:04:12] tweditor: Hi! I’m back for a second week. I’m Charmaine Cooper Hussain, an freelance editor specializing in high-tech communications. #editorchat

[20:04:13] Willowbottom: Timberly Marek, proj. mgr by day, freelancer by night: corp. research, competitive analysis, social media &occasional creative #editorchat

[20:04:41] anndouglas: I’m Ann Douglas. Parenting blogger @torontostar + @yahoo canada + write pregnancy column @conceive etc. #editorchat

[20:04:45] marciamarcia: While I usually warn I’ll be doing #editorchat & therefore updating more than usual, instead 2nite I hope I can come up w/ even 1 wise quip.

[20:04:47] tweditor: Oh my goodness, “a” freelance editor, not “an.” What a way to make a first impression. #editorchat

[20:05:11] jimmcbee: Jim McBee, co-owner http://smartnewsnc.com freelance 2 publisher startup; ex-journo, current health policy writer. Hi! #editorchat

[20:05:29] Willowbottom: @tweditor wouldn’t editorial catch that, though? πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:06:07] TMFZahrim: Anders Bylund, Motley Fool — evening one and all #editorchat

[20:06:12] bakercom1: sorry everybody, cross-tweeted there. Participating in #editorchat too for a bit. excuse the frequent tweets/ #editorchat

[20:06:26] JDEbberly: J. D. Ebberly, I’m a blogger out of N VA who writes pieces on blogging and New Media #editorchat

[20:06:43] a2editor: Hello, editorchat. Made it on time this week. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:06:48] JOHNABYRNE: I’m happy to take questions but let me start the ball rolling with one from Editorchat’s blog. #editorchat

[20:06:49] tweditor: @Willowbottom, erm, I *am* editorial … πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:07:21] WriteNowBiz: May I ask a stupid question? lol #editorchat

[20:07:28] rebeccalweber: This is usually too late for me (American writer living in South Africa) but I am dipping in for a few minutes #editorchat #editorchat

[20:07:47] JOHNABYRNE: “You often tweet about user-generated story ideas. How important are blogs and user comments in generating topics?” #editorchat

[20:08:13] WriteNowBiz: These messages are just to a group here not to all of our followers right? (some cross over) #editorchat

[20:08:16] miltoncontact: small publisher, editor and occasional business article writer – new & curious to event
#editorchat

[20:08:17] TMFZahrim: @milehighfool Sorry Tim, met my jerk quota for the night already πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:08:24] JOHNABYRNE: For us, this is all part of how journalism is changing from a product handed down by reporters to an audience. #editorchat

[20:08:46] Willowbottom: @WriteNowBiz if your followers haven’t filtered out #editorchat, they will see whatever you post except maybe not @ replies.

[20:09:00] JOHNABYRNE: To a process that embraces the user at every stage, from idea generation when you ask your readers for their best story ideas. #editorchat

[20:09:17] tweditor: @WriteNowBiz All of your followers will see tweets in this chat. Ask them to turn on http://www.twittersnooze.com if it bothers them. #editorchat

[20:09:20] JOHNABYRNE: To the middle where you tell your readership what you’re working on and ask them for suggestions on sourcing and other issues. #editorchat

[20:09:20] merylkevans: @JOHNABYRNE User-generated story ideas give you good insight into what interests the audience and build off of that. #editorchat

[20:09:28] jennipps: @WriteNowBiz Nope, they show up in your general tweet stream, too. #editorchat

[20:09:39] JOHNABYRNE: And at the end when the story becomes an intellectual fireplace around which the most meaningful conversations occur. #editorchat

[20:09:40] milehighfool: @WriteNowBiz How about we get the first question going? I’m sure we’ll have lots of time for other questions. #editorchat

[20:09:44] LydiaBreakfast: RT @JOHNABYRNE For us, this is all part of how journalism is changing from a product handed down by reporters to an audience. #editorchat

[20:10:09] JOHNABYRNE: Those discussions, involving readers and an editor or writer, are as valuable as the journalism that is produced. #editorchat

[20:10:23] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Reminds me of the permanent campaign. There’s no such thing as a static story anymore. #editorchat

[20:10:46] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE For us, this is all part of how journalism is changing from a product handed down by reporters to an audienc #editorchat

[20:10:48] littlebrownpen: User-generated content also drives traffic from the user’s blogs and websites. #editorchat

[20:11:10] JOHNABYRNE: 1) Search–which is transactional and undermines the relationships that media brands have with their audiences. #editorchat

[20:11:27] milehighfool: RT @JOHNABYRNE Those discussions, involving readers and an editor or writer, are as valuable as the journalism that is produced. #editorchat

[20:11:34] jennipps: RT @JOHNABYRNE Those discussions, involving readers and an editor or writer, are as valuable as the journalism that is produ #editorchat

[20:11:42] PDXsays: RT:@JOHNABYRNE At the end the story becomes an intellectual fireplace around which the most meaningful conversations occur. #editorchat

[20:11:46] littlebrownpen: RT @JOHNABYRNE Those discussions, involving readers and an editor or writer, are as valuable as the journalism that is produced. #editorchat

[20:11:50] JOHNABYRNE: 2) Behavioral targeting advertising–which undermines contextual advertising that has long supported journalism. #editorchat

[20:12:03] LifeofMichael: hello. Asst. ND at Sacramento TV station interested in #editorchat.

[20:12:32] JOHNABYRNE: Deeply engaging readers and converting them to partners is essential to induce loyalty and return visits. #editorchat

[20:12:54] bakercom1: uh,oh twitter search is acting screwy. #editorchat

[20:13:04] JOHNABYRNE: You’re right. There is no such thing as a static story anymore. Every story is alive and extended by virtue of this partnership. #editorchat

[20:13:29] jimmcbee: When http://blufftontoday.com reverse published online chatter in print, readers loved it, incl. those who didnt go online. #editorchat

[20:13:33] knitnrun: Melissa S. Technology consultant and technical writer. Working on grad school thesis. #editorchat First time here.

[20:13:44] littlebrownpen: And readers add valuable insight/debate and further the conversation. I’m as interested in comments as content. #editorchat

[20:13:50] rebeccalweber: @JOHNABYRNE Reading is never a passive act #editorchat #editorchat

[20:13:51] JOHNABYRNE: And encouraging reader ideas for stories does indeed give you smart insight into what your readers are keenly interested in. #editorchat

[20:13:53] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE No such thing as a static story anymore. Every story is alive and extended by virtue of this partnership. #editorchat

[20:13:58] sheigh: @JOHNABYRNE I don’t know. What if they arrived through organic search. What’s the real likelihood of inducing loyalty? #editorchat

[20:14:25] nealhannon: @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat Makes sense to me. If done correctly. Judgment is key. Highly engaged parties can bias results

[20:14:27] jennipps: RT @JOHNABYRNE Deeply engaging readers and converting them to partners is essential to induce loyalty and return visits. #editorchat

[20:14:34] JOHNABYRNE: My favorite example is from one of our senior writers Steve Baker who has a blog called blogspotting on our site. #editorchat

[20:14:35] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE What’s interesting, I think, is how the writer and editor manage this conversation together. Where’s the line? #editorchat

[20:14:59] miltoncontact: non-static stories a strength for blogs that can react to sitution – twitter at extremem end of this
#editorchat

[20:15:16] JOHNABYRNE: Early last year when he did a story on Twitter, Steve tweeted the topic sentences and asked tweeps to fill in the rest. #editorchat

[20:15:23] merylkevans: @jennipps That’s what Dallas Morning News is trying to do with Neighborsgo.com. Involve readers and the community. #editorchat

[20:15:33] Willowbottom: @knitnrun Welcome, Melissa S. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:15:43] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE I can second this. We do it all the time at the Fool. There are more than 100,000 investors pitching stocks in CAPS. #editorchat

[20:15:44] JOHNABYRNE: It created terrific engagement among readers, seeded an audience for the story, and was truly innovative. #editorchat

[20:15:57] AlbertMaruggi: Baker class act ahead of the pack of New Breed journalist with old school cred. #editorchat

[20:16:27] jennipps: @JOHNABYRNE That’s an interesting way to do it. πŸ™‚ I’ve used Twitter for sources, but so far that’s been the extent of it. #editorchat

[20:16:32] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE And every pitch is a potential story idea. BW does this extremely well, too.
#editorchat

[20:16:41] anndouglas: Story generation loop: Reporting on new study -> add my commentary -> ask for reader feedback -> generate new research/stories. #editorchat

[20:16:43] JOHNABYRNE: Editors and writers need to understand how to create and build communities and then how to serve them. That’s part of the job. #editorchat

[20:17:04] LydiaBreakfast: @JOHNABYRNE What is the editor’s role in such organic growth #editorchat

[20:17:05] JOHNABYRNE: I also think the single biggest misconception about digital journalism is that it means multi-media. #editorchat

[20:17:15] milehighfool: RT @JOHNABYRNE Early last year when he did a story on Twitter, Steve tweeted the topic sentences and asked tweeps to fill in.
#editorchat

[20:17:14] chopapi: RT @shirleybrady: Reminder: @JOHNABYRNE of BusinessWeek guest hosting #editorchat tonight, 8-9:30 pm EDT. Join in! http://twurl.nl/spbpl3

[20:17:21] PDXsays: on #editorchat… BusinessWeeks @johnabyrne leading discussion (@michellerafter)

[20:17:37] shirleybrady: If you want to check out BW’s Blogspotting blog by Twitter vets @stevebaker & @heatherlgreen visit http://is.gd/baHg #editorchat

[20:17:37] JOHNABYRNE: What digital journalism really does is allow journalists to have a different and transformed relationship with readers. #editorchat

[20:17:38] anti9to5guide: Just joining. Michelle Goodman, career columnist, ABC News. Looks like great chat already
#editorchat

[20:17:41] milehighfool: RT @JOHNABYRNE Editors and writers need to understand how to create and build communities and then how to serve them. #editorchat

[20:17:46] miltoncontact: still a lot of inertia in general public to taking up opportunities – often dominated by communiction or tech relted businesses #editorchat

[20:17:51] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Isn’t there a fine line between engaging readers and getting copy/info/ideas for free? #editorchat

[20:18:20] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE Editors and writers need to understand how to create and build communities and then how to serve them #editorchat

[20:18:30] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE I also think the single biggest misconception about digital journalism is that it means multi-media. #editorchat

[20:18:37] JOHNABYRNE: Another great example from Baker was his cover story last year: “Social Media Will Change Your Business.” #editorchat

[20:18:39] mariaschneider: Problem is, once an editor/journalist can build and serve a community, what’s the need for mainstream publications? #editorchat

[20:19:08] miltoncontact: surely the problem is not how you get new ideas but what you do with them? #editorchat

[20:19:07] soultravelers3: RT @JOHNABYRNE Deeply engaging readers and converting them to partners is essential to induce loyalty and return visits. #editorchat

[20:19:11] chrisbechtel: RT @JOHNABYRNE What digital journalism does is allow journalists to have a different and transformed relationship with readers. #editorchat

[20:19:20] JOHNABYRNE: It was the most successful story of the year for us, generating the most traffic and comments–well over 4,000. #editorchat

[20:19:20] milehighfool: RT @BeckyDMBR @JOHNABYRNE Isn’t there a fine line between engaging readers and getting copy/info/ideas for free? #editorchat

[20:19:27] jimmcbee: @mariaschneider that community IS the publication.
#editorchat

[20:19:36] shirleybrady: @AlbertMaruggi Hi Albert – agree with you re @stevebaker – he was a pioneer here. #editorchat

[20:20:01] JOHNABYRNE: It was actually an update from a cover he did more than three years earlier on blogging. #editorchat

[20:20:04] miltoncontact: mainstream publications do have role as peer review or opportunities for collating material #editorchat

[20:20:04] anthonym2121: @tweditor talk about my tweets please #editorchat

[20:20:08] JDEbberly: RT @jimmcbee: @mariaschneider that community IS the publication. #editorchat

[20:20:09] phj_pdx: @TheSquare @StephStricklen If you weren’t so busy already you should be following #editorchat moderated by @JohnAByrne of BusWeek

[20:20:11] TMFZahrim: @JOHNABYRNE “Social Media Will Change Your Business.” — Yes, but most businesses struggle to understand how #editorchat

[20:20:16] JOHNABYRNE: Steve used his own blog to ask readers how things had changed since that last cover. #editorchat

[20:20:19] AlbertMaruggi: @JOHNABYRNE I have a classic story about @stephenbaker “Social Media Will Change Your Business” piece,,,
#editorchat

[20:20:28] MacDivaONA: @johnabyrne is leading tonight’s #editorchat, which should mean it’s a good session. Full disclosure, I’m a fan of his tweets.

[20:20:40] mobienthusiast: Editors, for local news on your site (not print) we need updates even w/o full story (San Diego fires, water main break) #editorchat

[20:20:40] JOHNABYRNE: Their feedback was played via hyperlinks in the old story as he began reporting his new piece on social media. #editorchat

[20:20:42] phj_pdx: e.g. RT:@JOHNABYRNE At the end the story becomes an intellectual fireplace around which the most meaningful conversations occur. #editorchat

[20:20:59] JDEbberly: RT @MacDivaONA: @johnabyrne is leading tonight’s #editorchat, which should mean it’s a good session. Full disclosure, I’m a fan of his t …

[20:20:59] Willowbottom: @mariaschneider Wouldn’t those editors/journalists still need to come together as a respected community to serve? #editorchat

[20:20:59] jennipps: RT @miltoncontact mainstream publications do have role as peer review or opportunities for collating material #editorchat

[20:21:11] BeckyDMBR: @Willowbottom I’m not talking about unformulated ideas. For ex. local newspaper wants “intensely local” news one day a week. #editorchat

[20:21:14] TMFZahrim: Social media doesn’t come easy to stodgy old behemoths like IBM, GE, even Disney under Iger #editorchat

[20:21:28] JOHNABYRNE: The result: all that interaction was used to inform the reporting of the story and we ended up w a cover that really resonated. #editorchat

[20:21:32] SpecialDee: What’s the most comprehensive tool for building a community? #editorchat

[20:21:39] mikepilarz: There’s a fascinating conversation going on over at #editorchat. Really great insight from BW’s @JOHNABYRNE, who is moderating, and others.

[20:21:41] joshchandler: RT @TMFZahrim: Social media doesn’t come easy to stodgy old behemoths like IBM, GE, even Disney under Iger #editorchat

[20:22:09] BeckyDMBR: @Willowbottom Paper “wants your photos, your stories” … etc., etc. But does paper pay? No. #editorchat

[20:22:25] JDEbberly: RT @mikepilarz: There’s a fascinating conversation going on over at #editorchat. Really great insight from BW’s @JOHNABYRNE, who is mode …

[20:22:32] jimmcbee: @TMFZahrim Nor to publishers and exec eds … try reaching them thru twitter, fb, linkedin. Ugh. #editorchat

[20:23:03] miltoncontact: most comprehensive tool for building a community is not technology itself but proactive key individuals #editorchat

[20:23:07] mobienthusiast: I mention this since not one #sandiego media person tweeted about broken water main on Monday, missed opportunity #editorchat

[20:23:09] shirleybrady: Here’s “Social Media Will Change Your Business” by Steve Baker & Heather Green – http://is.gd/40kp #editorchat

[20:23:17] littlebrownpen: Community was a big strategy during the dot-com boom. It was later abandoned as “silly.” What a difference a decade makes. #editorchat

[20:23:26] JOHNABYRNE: It’s really not about getting free content as much as it is about having respect for your audience that u want them as partners. #editorchat

[20:23:39] milehighfool: @BeckyDMBR True enough. There has to be value to participating in the community to make it work. CAPS = stock ideas. #editorchat

[20:23:39] jennipps: RT @miltoncontact most comprehensive tool for building a community is not technology itself but proactive key individuals #editorchat

[20:23:55] JOHNABYRNE: Most journalists get their respect and their reinforcement from colleagues–not the people who consume their writing. #editorchat

[20:23:56] JDEbberly: RT @miltoncontact: most comprehensive tool for building a community is not technology itself but proactive key individuals #editorchat

[20:24:04] bob_bobala: @mobienthusiast Good point! Also here in San Diego… Joining late. #editorchat

[20:24:08] SpecialDee: #editorchat I’ve been looking at the “Conversation Prism” and that’s ALOT of community bldg tools http://bit.ly/jHPEA

[20:24:23] mobienthusiast: @JOHNABYRNE I admire that you are on twitter and join the conversation. So many media people just tweet stories, don’t converse #editorchat

[20:24:33] marialavis: Business Week Ed in chief, @JOHNABYRNE , is on tweet roll right now about digital journalism etc. #editorchat Interesting.

[20:24:43] Hjulcompaniet: I wonder how many hits this #editorchat will generate for businessweek. Interesting stream from the editor in chief.

[20:24:46] JOHNABYRNE: We need to understand the people we’re writing for and open up the process of journalism to improve our ability to serve them. #editorchat

[20:25:02] mariaschneider: I’m using a WordPress blog/ VBulletin software to build a community. I’ve been on on Ning networks and find it lacking a center. #editorchat

[20:25:03] marcusborba: Following #editorchat with @JOHNABYRNE

[20:25:06] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Yeah, but I think we have to be careful. When “mining the gold,” sometimes we have to be willing to pay for gold. #editorchat

[20:25:06] littlebrownpen: @JOHNABYRNE Agree. Genuine conversations and debate are the antidote to lazy minds. We’re all better for it. #editorchat

[20:25:09] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE Most journalists get their respect and reinforcement frm colleagues–not the people who consume their writing. #editorchat

[20:25:15] marciamarcia: Most journalists get their respect & reinforcement from colleagues–not the people who consume their writing. RT @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat

[20:25:38] jimmcbee: rt @JOHNABYRNE Most journalists get their respect, reinforcement from colleagues–not the people who consume their writing #editorchat

[20:25:38] TMFZahrim: RT @JOHNABYRNE: journalists get respect and reinforcement from colleagues–not the people who consume their writing #editorchat

[20:25:38] JOHNABYRNE: User engagement has become a buzz phrase of sorts. But few are really walking the talk. #editorchat

[20:25:57] shirleybrady: @SpecialDee I’ll have to check that out, looks interesting! #editorchat

[20:26:07] jennipps: RT @littlebrownpen @JOHNABYRNE Agree. Genuine conversations and debate are the antidote to lazy minds. We’re all better for it. #editorchat

[20:26:13] soultravelers3: RT @JOHNABYRNE What digital journalism does is allow journalists to have a different and transformed relationship with readers. #editorchat

[20:26:16] konadad: @JOHNABYRNE Do you consider the BW.com audience the same — or separate — from the print audience? #editorchat

[20:26:25] knitnrun: Audience as partners concept is not well-executed by many online media sites, still seeking to ‘serve’ (aka push) content. #editorchat

[20:26:29] mobienthusiast: @bob_bobala thanks. It was missed opportunity for #sandiego media to build trust. I got info re: fires from lifeguards not media #editorchat

[20:26:30] JOHNABYRNE: I think journalists aren’t creating enough gold–which I define as original, unique stories that really add value. #editorchat

[20:26:38] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE User engagement has become a buzz phrase of sorts. But few are really walking the talk. #editorchat

[20:26:42] rockstarjen: We need 2 understand people we’re writing 4 & open up process of journalism to improve ability 2 serve them. #editorchat (via @JOHNABYRNE)

[20:26:53] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE So where’s the line in user engagement? When does a user become a source and what’s the editor’s role in deciding? #editorchat

[20:26:57] karenhodkinson: Following #editorchat with @JOHNABYRNE. Fascinating stuff.

[20:27:03] JOHNABYRNE: You can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. How many Bernie Madoff pleads guilty stories can anyone read. #editorchat

[20:27:06] knitnrun: Twitter is a great example of where we are all building networks of partners and engaging in publishing content. #editorchat

[20:27:11] anndouglas: What media organizations are doing a really good job of engaging users, in your opinion? #editorchat

[20:27:11] tweditor: Still, engaging social media networks is just one more thing pub execs ask of journalists. Report! Blog! Film! Podcast! Tweet! #editorchat

[20:27:17] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE I’m not just talking about papers or “traditional” media. Many sites post blogger content for free. #editorchat

[20:27:26] jennipps: RT @JOHNABYRNE I think journalists aren’t creating enough gold–which I define as original, unique stories that really add value #editorchat

[20:27:38] JDEbberly: RT @knitnrun: Twitter is a great example of where we are all building networks of partners and engaging in publishing content. #editorchat

[20:27:45] bob_bobala: @mobienthusiast yeah, i wouldn’t have even known about it if some people in my office weren’t affected. #editorchat

[20:28:10] DougH: RT @JOHNABYRNE: I think journalists aren’t creating enough gold-which I define as original unique stories that really add value #editorchat

[20:28:13] milehighfool: Let me take that broader. How do the editors here decide to leverage community? Do you use them as sources? #editorchat

[20:28:16] lisasepiphany: RT @shirleybrady: Here’s “Social Media Will Change Your Business” by Steve Baker & Heather Green – http://is.gd/40kp #editorchat… perfect.

[20:28:17] ksablan: @JOHNABYRNE doing a great job moderating #editorchat. tweets read like article on user engagement.

[20:28:21] JanSimpson: @JOHNABYR do you consider yourself a liberal journalist? #editorchat

[20:28:23] JOHNABYRNE: There’s overlap in our print and online readers but generally our online users are 10 years younger and more highly educated. #editorchat

[20:28:27] jennipps: @JOHNABYRNE For that matter, IMO, how many do people really *want* to read? (And if many, I have to wonder why.) #editorchat

[20:28:30] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE Journalists aren’t creating enough gold–which I define as original, unique stories that really add value. #editorchat

[20:28:31] LydiaBreakfast: How closely are editors monitoring writers’ sources for this type of “gold?”
#editorchat

[20:28:40] DougH: Stumbled on #editorchat w/ @johnabyrne. whoa. Who else is taking part?

[20:28:52] JOHNABYRNE: Online readers also earn more than print readers and are more likely to be female. #editorchat

[20:28:53] BaileyMcC: RT@JOHNABYRNE:U can’t expect 2b paid for commoditized journalism. How many Bernie Madoff pleads guilty stories can anyone read. #editorchat

[20:28:58] SpecialDee: @shirleybrady I like the graphic; try it in list form and each section doesn’t seem as connected #editorchat

[20:29:13] anndouglas: RT: @JOHNABYRNE Journalists aren’t creating enough gold–which I define as original, unique stories that really add value. #editorchat

[20:29:12] mrinaldesai: @JOHNABYRNE interesting conundrum – do u write 4 what people want to read, is hot or do you tell the stories that should b told? #editorchat

[20:29:15] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE And those sites get the reputation (incorrectly) as great bastions of “citizen journalism” or even journalism. #editorchat

[20:29:16] milehighfool: RT @JOHNABYRNE You can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. #editorchat

[20:29:27] JDEbberly: @DougH Just jump on in, Doug! This is an informative discussion! #editorchat

[20:29:32] knitnrun: I think @lydiabreakfast brings up a good point. Sources are increasingly anonymous, and may be simply created in people’s minds. #editorchat

[20:29:32] JOHNABYRNE: Of our total audience, about 38% are online only; 31% magazine only & 31% are both online and print. #editorchat

[20:29:50] LydiaBreakfast: Online readers also earn more than print readers and are more likely to be female. Is anyone else seeing this? #editorchat

[20:29:51] JDEbberly: RT @ksablan: @JOHNABYRNE doing a great job moderating #editorchat. tweets read like article on user engagement.

[20:29:52] BaileyMcC: RT@JOHNABYRNE: I think journalists aren’t creating enough gold-which I define as original, unique stories that really add value. #editorchat

[20:29:57] AlbertMaruggi: @DougH that’s an interesting question who else is taking part, I guest everyone, and anyone, right, that’s the point? πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:30:10] JOHNABYRNE: Editors are constantly screening ideas and stories to get more gold but it’s an imperfect process. #editorchat

[20:30:12] rebeccalweber: Letters to the editor has always been my favorite section of every magazine. #editorchat

[20:30:16] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE …print and online readers overlap, but generally our online users are 10 years younger, more highly educated. #editorchat

[20:30:33] miltoncontact: @mrinaldesai write the stories that should be told in an interesting way to draw readers in #editorchat

[20:30:35] fromartz: interesting chat w/biz week’s John Byrne at #editorchat

[20:30:47] bob_bobala: @LydiaBreakfast Yes #editorchat

[20:30:55] JOHNABYRNE: That’s another reason engagement is key. The closer you get to your audience the more likely you are to make better judgments. #editorchat

[20:31:05] jennipps: RT @LydiaBreakfast Online readers also earn more than print readers and are more likely to be female. Is anyone else seeing this #editorchat

[20:31:07] rebeccalweber: @JOHNABYRNE What are the demographics of those who leave comments? #editorchat

[20:31:08] mobienthusiast: @JOHNABYRNE I also enjoy reading via mobile, and http://businessweek.mobi fits the bill #editorchat #mobi

[20:31:15] LifeofMichael: @knitnrun gosh i hope we haven’t all slipped to the point of “imagining” source material #editorchat

[20:31:18] jennipps: RT @JOHNABYRNE Editors are constantly screening ideas and stories to get more gold but it’s an imperfect process. #editorchat

[20:31:21] littlebrownpen: @JOHNABYRNE Commoditized journalism fueled Madoff and friend’s fires. No investigation? Go for it. We need investigative journs #editorchat

[20:31:22] knitnrun: @JOHNABYRNE How many BusinessWeek writers, editors, etc. are on Twitter? Does the org have a formal policy on usage? #editorchat

[20:31:23] Hjulcompaniet: #editorchat scripted vs unscripted.

[20:31:30] PDXsays: And here’s the gold! RT: (BusinessWeek Editor) @JOHNABYRNE Online readers earn more than print readers and more likely female. #editorchat

[20:31:39] JOHNABYRNE: @rebeccalweber The beauty of online is that there is no limit to the voices or people who can participate in “letters.” #editorchat

[20:31:48] sfwriter: @johnabyrne re: commodity journalism, did you see Murdoch’s new memo to WSJ reporters? http://is.gd/oVuP #editorchat

[20:31:48] anndouglas: Excellent point! RT @BeckyDMBR When “mining the gold,” sometimes we have to be willing to pay for gold. #editorchat

[20:32:03] marciamarcia: I’d widen @JOHNABYRNE (BusinessWeek) def of “gold” to all of social media: original, unique stories that really add value. #editorchat

[20:32:19] knitnrun: @LifeofMichael Well… you never know what creepy crawlies are lurking behind some crazy profile πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:32:38] AlbertMaruggi: I’m concerned JOhn that you say closer to your readers,eg. Fox is real close to its viewers MSNBC theirs,but is that journalism? #editorchat

[20:32:58] miltoncontact: @JOHNABYRNE devils advocate – need some distance from readers for an objective or alternative view?
#editorchat

[20:33:10] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE IMO, a site that “mines gold” w/out paying for it on same level as journo putting byline on press-release info. #editorchat

[20:33:09] PDXsays: @marciamarcia talking about whence from whose pockets the money comes from in readership… #editorchat

[20:33:23] PromoMarketer: Some really good tweets by @JOHNABYRNE on #editorchat tonite.

[20:33:25] konadad: @JOHNABYRNE How much are you influenced by reader feedback? #editorchat

[20:33:33] mobienthusiast: Business Week Editor-in-Chief @JOHNABYRNE is now moderating discussion about journalism & social media #editorchat

[20:33:40] JOHNABYRNE: We now have nearly 30 blogs, over 40 editors and writers who tweet, 4,400 videos on the site, a dozen podcasts. #editorchat

[20:33:48] rebeccalweber: @JOHNABYRNE Exactly! Except that the editors usually do a good job of editing the letters… #editorchat

[20:33:52] JDEbberly: RT @mobienthusiast: Business Week Editor-in-Chief @JOHNABYRNE is now moderating discussion about journalism & social media #editorchat

[20:33:57] LydiaBreakfast: @BeckyDMBR I think they call that “churnalism” πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:34:04] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: We now have nearly 30 blogs, over 40 editors and writers who tweet, 4,400 videos on the site, a dozen podcasts. #editorchat

[20:34:11] JOHNABYRNE: And we’re employing everything from Ning to Facebook, Flickr and YouTube to engage and interact with readers. #editorchat

[20:34:17] bob_bobala: @PDXsays I think it depends on subject matter. When I was at Motley Fool, our investor audience was older than we anticipated #editorchat

[20:34:37] TMFZahrim: @JOHNABYRNE 30 blogs 40 tweeps etc, yes — but is there a policy or did it just happen? #editorchat

[20:34:38] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: And we’re employing everything from Ning to Facebook, Flickr and YouTube to engage and interact with readers. #editorchat

[20:34:58] mathewi: RT @JOHNABYRNE: You can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. How many Bernie Madoff stories can anyone read #editorchat

[20:34:58] SpecialDee: Are online readers getting their news via feeds? even their local news? #editorchat

[20:35:10] JOHNABYRNE: We don’t have a formal policy on Twitter and some writers prefer to keep their accounts private and personal. #editorchat

[20:35:16] shirleybrady: Just counted: we now have 47 BW edit folks on Twitter – here’s the list: http://is.gd/bnNs #editorchat

[20:35:20] BeckyDMBR: @LydiaBreakfast Ah, thank you. I knew there was a word for it. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:35:23] milehighfool: @bob_bobala They still are. But the community is wide-ranging. Therein lies the difficulty. Which community sources do you trust #editorchat

[20:35:25] vegtv: @DougH Too many bloggers Anyone with a website can gush whatever is on their mind. Some Vgood but Journaling is not Journalism #editorchat

[20:35:35] mobienthusiast: Retweet @ JOHNABYRNE: we’re employing everything from Ning to Facebook, Flickr & YouTube to engage and interact with readers. #editorchat

[20:35:41] JDEbberly: RT @shirleybrady: Just counted: we now have 47 BW edit folks on Twitter – here’s the list: http://is.gd/bnNs #editorchat

[20:35:53] merylkevans: @SpecialDee Online readers get news many ways: RSS, email, aggregator sites (ie Digg), and known media sites. #editorchat

[20:35:54] marciamarcia: We’re employing everything from Ning to FB, Flickr & YouTube to engage and interact with readers. via @JOHNABYRNE (40+ tweet) #editorchat

[20:36:27] mobienthusiast: Retweet shirleybrady: Just counted: we now have 47 BW edit folks on Twitter – here’s the list: http://is.gd/bnNs #editorchat

[20:36:29] vojtech: RT @JOHNABYRNE Online readers also earn more than print readers and are more likely to be female. #editorchat

[20:36:32] JOHNABYRNE: I’m greatly influenced by reader feedback. We’ve corrected stories on it. And we’ve done many stories based on reader ideas. #editorchat

[20:36:42] SpecialDee: On your site, can visitors leave comments by “signing in” with just a screen name or do they have to register? #editorchat

[20:36:56] AlbertMaruggi: @johnabyrne I’d like to share my two favorite journalism sites http://www.frontlineclub.com/ and http://www.nextnewsroom.com/ #editorchat

[20:37:07] JDEbberly: RT @vojtech: RT @JOHNABYRNE Online readers also earn more than print readers and are more likely to be female. #editorchat

[20:37:06] PDXsays: @JOHNABYRNE had u reviewed policies – such as Intel and Dell have – to make that decision about accounts? #editorchat

[20:37:10] knitnrun: @shirleybrady thanks for the list of BW folks on Twitter. #editorchat

[20:37:12] RandomReTweet: RT @JDEbberly RT @vojtech: RT @JOHNABYRNE Online readers also earn more than print readers and are more likely to be female. #editorchat

[20:37:17] konadad: @JOHNABYRNE If I’m not mistaken, the NYTimes has a formal policy on the use of social networking sites by their editors. #editorchat

[20:37:18] shirleybrady: Can’t forget our colleagues at @BWBX + BW tech folks and other non-edit here, too. All on for different reasons – not mandated! #editorchat

[20:37:18] shortformblog: Hey all. Ernie Smith, news designer, Wash. Post’s Express; editor, http://shortformblog.com/. @jimmcbee is a buddy of mine. #editorchat

[20:37:41] bob_bobala: @JOHNABYRNE Heck, at the Fool we hired people right out of the community (see Tim Beyers) #editorchat

[20:37:48] tweditor: @JOHNABYRNE You are in an enviable position to receive feedback. Many trade pubs, smaller pubs, receive little (from prison). πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:37:58] Willowbottom: @JOHNABYRNE Realizing that you’re greatly influenced by reader feedback/story ideas, how do you ensure ur mission is consistent? #editorchat

[20:38:09] JOHNABYRNE: If we’re quoting from a Tweet stream, our policy is to ask the user if we can do so–particularly if it’s a non-public person. #editorchat

[20:38:34] JOHNABYRNE: Online only stories are usually shorter and more to the point. But that’s not always true. #editorchat

[20:38:37] LydiaBreakfast: A reminder tweeps. Stay on topic and BE POLITE. #editorchat

[20:38:40] AlbertMaruggi: @johnabyrne can you share criteria for determining which stories are video, audio podcast or blog candidates? #editorchat

[20:38:45] mariaschneider: Would you ever quote from social media if you couldn’t confirm the source? #editorchat

[20:38:54] TMFZahrim: RT @bob_bobala: Heck, at the Fool we hired people right out of the community (I’m another example) #editorchat

[20:39:03] jennipps: RT @JOHNABYRNE Online only stories are usually shorter and more to the point. But that’s not always true. #editorchat

[20:39:08] SpecialDee: Also, do visitors have to fill in a form if they want to connect w/staff or does an email form open up? #editorchat

[20:39:10] AlbertMaruggi: @Willowbottom great question on mission, had same thoughts

[20:39:43] JOHNABYRNE: Most magazine writers tackle a topic in one story and walk away from it for space reasons. #editorchat

[20:39:44] shirleybrady: @AlbertMaruggi Must check those out (thx) #editorchat

[20:39:48] mobienthusiast: Journalists, which one of your publications has a mobile site with .mobi extension? I’m making a directory #editorchat #mobi

[20:39:57] rebeccalweber: @mariaschneider Wouldn’t want to quote *anybody if you couldn’t confirm the source #editorchat

[20:39:57] bob_bobala: @TMFZahrim Hi, Anders! #editorchat

[20:40:09] JOHNABYRNE: Online, you can keep coming back as if you were writing for a daily newspaper. And you can do more series reporting online. #editorchat

[20:40:31] milehighfool: So if community is the watchword, isn’t all news about to become news analysis? Capturing the zeitgeist? #editorchat

[20:40:37] foleymo: Who’s moderating? What’s the question? #editorchat

[20:40:39] chadrem: @JOHNABYRNE and then there’s fivethirtyeight.com πŸ˜‰ #editorchat

[20:40:39] AlbertMaruggi: @shirleybrady frontline is Indie journalists in war torn countries and oppressed areas. How they do it is amazing. #editorchat

[20:40:57] merylkevans: @JOHNABYRNE Online makes it possible to reference things though links instead of explaining them every time. #editorchat

[20:41:00] wardchristianj: @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat That is an interesting policy on the quoting of Tweet. It is very hard to know who is whom…

[20:41:13] milehighfool: RT @JOHNABYRNE Online, you can keep coming back as if you were writing for a daily newspaper. And you can do more series. #editorchat

[20:41:15] JOHNABYRNE: Good question on what becomes a story, a video, a slideshow, a podcast, a narrated photo essay, etc. #editorchat

[20:41:28] marciamarcia: So if community is the watchword, isn’t all news about to become news analysis? Capturing the zeitgeist? via @milehighfool #editorchat

[20:41:30] GinaLaGuardia: @milehighfool Hey — sneaking in late tonight. Can’t wait to catch up/jump in. : #editorchat

[20:41:36] JOHNABYRNE: We have an interesting video strategy. Most sites silo off their video into some sort of ghetto. #editorchat

[20:41:38] wolfemanmatt: @JOHNABYRNE In addition to coming back to topics, the ability to share past coverage is something that’s impossible in print. #editorchat

[20:41:44] jennipps: RT @merylkevans @JOHNABYRNE Online makes it possible to reference things though links instead of explaining them every time. #editorchat

[20:41:49] AlbertMaruggi: @shirleybrady Next Newsroom is Duke U, project led by Mercury News Biz writer Chris O’brien -6 principles of new newsroom. #editorchat

[20:42:08] JOHNABYRNE: I think they use the computer screen like a 1950s TV set by siloing off video clips. #editorchat

[20:42:11] jimmcbee: @milehighfool Community’s critical, but someone must ask the tough questions. Officially or otherwise. Or wait for Jon Stewart. #editorchat

[20:42:21] LydiaBreakfast: @GinaLaGuardia Hi Gina, so glad you could make it πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:42:25] DougH: RT @JOHNABYRNE: If we’re quoting from a Tweet stream, our policy is to ask if we can do so-partic if it’s a non-public person. #editorchat

[20:42:28] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE Online makes it possible to reference things though links instead of explaining them every time. #editorchat

[20:42:35] JOHNABYRNE: We’re trying to integrate video with text, placing complementary videos inside stories to change the user experience. #editorchat

[20:42:41] knitnrun: @JOHNABYRNE Interested in risk to BW brand if someone becomes disgruntled and is affiliated with BW. No policy, what do you do? #editorchat

[20:42:55] GinaLaGuardia: @LydiaBreakfast Hey Lydia. Happy to be here. Thanks! #editorchat

[20:42:59] dmac1: For biz journalists, being on Twitter is not only about being where the reader is, it’s often where the source is #editorchat

[20:43:06] rogeroldham: RT @JOHNABYRNE: U can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. How many Madoff pleads guilty stories can anyone read #editorchat

[20:43:21] marciamarcia: @wolfemanmatt Weaving the thread through pieces over time adds in a wonderful new dimension and richness to stories. #editorchat

[20:43:30] JOHNABYRNE: If you put the video in your most highly trafficked stories and you make sure it’s not redundant, you integrate it all. #editorchat

[20:43:39] milehighfool: A tip for tweeps using TweetDeck or another client. You can also filter @colorsign if you prefer. #editorchat

[20:43:42] littlebrownpen: @jimmcbee A lot of the tough questions come from the community. The community holds you accountable to an extent. #editorchat

[20:43:54] ATLCheap: Jennifer Maciejewski, Atlanta-based writer & blogger. Interesting discussion so far; look forward to catching up & jumping in. #editorchat

[20:44:02] wolfemanmatt: RT @JOHNABYRNE We’re trying to integrate video with text, placing complementary videos inside stories to change user experience. #editorchat

[20:44:10] JOHNABYRNE: We’ve been able to quadruple the monthly video streams with this new strategy with no increase in resources & fewer videos. #editorchat

[20:44:14] jennipps: @milehighfool Just found that feature in Tweetchat too under User Control. #editorchat

[20:44:18] shirleybrady: @AlbertMaruggi Thanks for flagging, Albert! #editorchat

[20:44:38] GinaLaGuardia: @ATLCheap Hey — are you the Jennifer I know? πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:44:39] rebeccalweber: Off to bed. Hope a future session can be a few hours earlier, engage us folks east of the Atlantic! #editorchat

[20:44:45] dodgemedlin: San Diego U-T asst. news editor here, leaping onto the moving train that is #editorchat. #editorchat

[20:44:48] MikeLizun: RT @dmac1: For biz journalists, being on Twitter is not only about being where the reader is, it’s often where the source is #editorchat

[20:45:21] JOHNABYRNE: I think it’s premature to write the obituary for the American newspaper. In both Denver and Seattle….#editorchat

[20:45:26] LydiaBreakfast: @rebeccalweber Glad you made it for part of the chat – thanks! #editorchat

[20:45:33] jimmcbee: @littlebrownpen We need to get good at harnessing communities tough questions, instead of fearing them. #editorchat

[20:45:39] ekarofsky: Great tweets by @JOHNABYRNE at #editorchat

[20:45:42] anndouglas: RT @dmac1 For biz journalists, being on Twitter is not only about being where the reader is, it’s often where the source is #editorchat

[20:45:53] konadad: @JOHNABYRNE Curious. Which gets more BW.com traffic: a story, a video, a slideshow, a podcast, a narrated photo essay? #editorchat

[20:45:54] fromartz: @johnabyrne do videos get more traffic than stories #editorchat

[20:45:59] JOHNABYRNE: We had victims of what Warren Buffett called “The Survival of the Fattest.” #editorchat

[20:46:00] GinaLaGuardia: Hi, #editorchat, @JOHNABYRNE… Former magazine EIC, online editorial director here — doing my best to catch up. πŸ™‚

[20:46:03] milehighfool: @rebeccalweber Thanks for joining. Say hi to my friends in Jo’burg and on the Cape. #editorchat

[20:46:21] JOHNABYRNE: Denver & Seattle were two-newspaper towns and the fattest ones won the war. #editorchat

[20:46:25] PDXsays: HUZZAH! RT: @JOHNABYRNE I think it’s premature to write the obituary for the American newspaper. In both Denver and Seattle….#editorchat

[20:46:31] BaileyMcC: RT @dmac1 For biz journalists, being on Twitter is not only about being where the reader is, it’s often where the source is #editorchat

[20:46:32] shortformblog: @johnabyrne I agree. Newspapers aren’t dead yet – though the massive debt their companies are under isn’t helping. #editorchat

[20:46:42] KamaTimbrell: Note authors. Read. RT @JOHNABYRNE: Most magazine writers tackle a topic in one story and walk away from it for space reasons. #editorchat

[20:46:48] JOHNABYRNE: That said, we’re going into a very painful and difficult transition that will see a lot of newspapers go out of business. #editorchat

[20:46:54] mobienthusiast: @dodgemedlin is San Diego U-T asst. news editor, thanks for joining #editorchat #sandiego

[20:46:55] anti9to5guide: Thx for the great insights. Going to jump of and catch a slice of rare Seattle sunshine. Michelle Goodman, freelance writer #editorchat

[20:47:01] JOHNABYRNE: Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[20:47:09] shirleybrady: @rebeccalweber Any questions/topics you’d like addressed? Transcript will be posted here later: http://is.gd/jdzo #editorchat

[20:47:16] GinaLaGuardia: RT @JOHNABYRNE: …engagement is key. The closer you get to your audience, the more likely you are to make better judgments. #editorchat

[20:47:30] milehighfool: @anti9to5guide Thanks for stopping in, Michelle. #editorchat

[20:47:36] JDEbberly: RT @rebeccalweber Any questions/topics you’d like addressed? Transcript will be posted here later: http://is.gd/jdzo #editorchat

[20:47:37] LydiaBreakfast: @anti9to5guide Thanks for coming Michelle πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:47:38] ESedlockGrammer: RT @JOHNABYRNE Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[20:47:38] JOHNABYRNE: But newspapers and magazines that deliver unique value will make it. They just have to change–dramatically. #editorchat

[20:47:58] janeco: hi everyone, another time conflict, what’d I miss? #editorchat

[20:48:01] MikeLizun: RT @konadad: @JOHNABYRNE Curious. Which gets more BW.com traffic: story, video, slideshow, podcast, a narrated photo essay? #editorchat

[20:48:04] colorsign: @JOHNABYRNE And what was so bad about was that it didn’t have to happen. But you quit advocating for your readers. #editorchat

[20:48:04] dfiske: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[20:48:04] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[20:48:07] Willowbottom: @JOHNABYRNE At an emotional level, how do ur staff deal w/pubs “kaputting” knowing they’re competition but also it’s a bad sign? #editorchat

[20:48:12] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: But newspapers and magazines that deliver unique value will make it. They just have to change–dramatically. #editorchat

[20:48:16] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE I wonder how many Web magazines went with them. Too many, I’m sure. #editorchat

[20:48:23] jtlongandco: Where will the journalists go after the newsrooms close? What jobs need their transferrable skills? #editorchat

[20:48:29] shortformblog: @johnabyrne Do you think the Maryland senator’s proposal to save newspapers will help? Or is it an affront to freedom of speech? #editorchat

[20:48:27] waynesutton: Retweet @dmac1 For biz journalists, being on Twitter is not only about being where the reader is, it’s often where the source is #editorchat

[20:48:29] JOHNABYRNE: An individual slideshow generates the most traffic largely because there are more pages to see. #editorchat

[20:48:33] littlebrownpen: RT @JOHNABYRNE: But newspapers and magazines that deliver unique value will make it. They just have to change–dramatically. #editorchat

[20:48:47] dodgemedlin: @JOHNABYRNE We *all* ought to be delivering unique value. Any pub. that doesn’t deserves what it gets. #editorchat

[20:48:48] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Yeah, I’m thinking the fattest newspapers won’t last in the current model. #editorchat

[20:48:55] wolfemanmatt: @JOHNABYRNE What do the newspapers have to change? The content, delivery, or business model? #editorchat

[20:48:55] shirleybrady: @dmac1 Welcome Doug MacMillan! One of BW’s tech writers & a SM ace – great use at #SXSW etc. Any Q’s for a BW reporter? #editorchat

[20:49:08] mobienthusiast: @JOHNABYRNE the million dollar question is how can newspapers transition to online/mobile and stay in business? #editorchat

[20:49:19] shortformblog: @johnabyrne (To clarify, specifically freedom of the press.) #editorchat

[20:49:19] a2editor: @JOHNABYRNE My hometown paper just announced that it’s closing in July after 174 yrs. But it was not delivering unique value… #editorchat

[20:49:21] MikeLizun: RT @JOHNABYRNE: An individual slideshow generates the most traffic largely because there are more pages to see. #editorchat

[20:49:30] konadad: @JOHNABYRNE Your thoughts on the Stewart/Cramer smackdown? #editorchat

[20:49:31] knitnrun: @JOHNABYRNE Too late for newspapers touted as knockin’ on death’s door? Will pressure lead to radical transformation? #editorchat

[20:49:32] rajmanohar21: RT@JOHNABYRNEWe had victims of what Warren Buffett called “The Survival of the Fattest.” #editorchat

[20:49:48] tweditor: Rolling Stone editor wrote (paraph.) What if some cyberterrorist zaps communications infrastructure? You’ll wish for newspapers. #editorchat

[20:49:49] JOHNABYRNE: It’s a tough time to be a journalist today. So there are a lot of very worried people in the biz. #editorchat

[20:49:49] marciamarcia: @jtlongandco Before hiring downturn I saw companies & nonprofits hiring journalists to capture the stories that create culture. #editorchat

[20:49:50] PDXsays: RT @JOHNABYRNE But newspapers and magazines that deliver unique value will make it. They just have to change–dramatically. #editorchat

[20:49:55] jtlongandco: @rebeccalweber RT Any questions/topics you’d like addressed? Transcript will be posted here later: http://is.gd/jdzo #editorchat

[20:49:57] merylkevans: @mobienthusiast Newspapers need to interact with social media and bridge print with web. #editorchat

[20:49:58] littlebrownpen: @jtlongandco The world needs intelligent thought. They will rise to the top. #editorchat

[20:50:07] anndouglas: @johnabyrne, Do you find it is works best to offer video clip in short segments which are distributed throughout story or 1 pc? #editorchat

[20:50:14] kristoforlawson: @JOHNABYRNE – the problem to me seems to be newspaper’s reliance on advertising. The need to get back to making quality content! #editorchat

[20:50:16] JDEbberly: RT @merylkevans: @mobienthusiast Newspapers need to interact with social media and bridge print with web. #editorchat

[20:50:30] milehighfool: @dmac1 Glad you could make it, Doug. #editorchat

[20:50:30] JOHNABYRNE: @a2editor And what’s surprising is that it had served a smart and vibrant community in Ann Arbor. #editorchat

[20:50:48] mobienthusiast: Local media needs to provide instant local emergency info prominently on front page of sites, not run the story later in the day #editorchat

[20:51:05] mikepilarz: As a reader, I’m finding myself reprioritize my “must-read” publications, favoring those whose journalists tweet & do it well #editorchat

[20:51:06] PDXsays: @JOHNABYRNE I think that is true of almost all biz, with transitions to SM and economy #editorchat

[20:51:18] JOHNABYRNE: I think there are three absolutes in today’s media world. You can argue any of them but I maintain they’re pretty much true. #editorchat

[20:51:22] pjackson: RT @JOHNABYRNE newspapers and magazines that deliver unique value will make it. Just have to change–dramatically. #editorchat >> AGREE.

[20:51:34] a2editor: @JOHNABYRNE They say we’re ready for a switch to online-only b/c we’re a tech-savvy community, but it’s certainly not the same. #editorchat

[20:51:46] dodgemedlin: @mobienthusiast More sites are doing that, w/blog-style entries on the home page, esp. during emergencies. #editorchat

[20:51:47] knitnrun: @kristoforlawson Great point on reliance on advertising $$$ for revenue. Where will new rev streams emerge for survivors? #editorchat

[20:51:48] kristoforlawson: RT @JOHNABYRNE: It’s a tough time to be a journalist today. So there are a lot of very worried people in the biz. #editorchat

[20:51:59] LydiaBreakfast: @JOHNABYRNE And a lot of brand new freelancers. Do you think pubs will continue to use them in lieu of hiring permanent staff? #editorchat

[20:52:14] ivanoransky: Great chat going on involving Twitter journalist master @JOHNABYRNE right now at #editorchat

[20:52:18] miltoncontact: lets get real, there must be income to support journalism & journalists for medium to survive, current shift away from consumer #editorchat

[20:52:24] knitnrun: Great point @kristoforlawson on reliance on advertising $$$ for revenue. Where will new rev streams emerge for survivors? #editorchat

[20:52:27] shortformblog: @kristoforlawson Focusing on content isn’t an option when the ad market is in the toilet, it seems. #editorchat

[20:52:28] jtlongandco: I see journalists going to pr, political, academia, marketing, of course web (if they don’t need to eat). Where else? #editorchat

[20:52:32] smallbizlady: RT @waynesutton @dmac1 For biz journalists, being on Twitter is not only about being where the reader is, it’s often the source #editorchat

[20:52:37] JOHNABYRNE: 2) Online advertising cannot offset the print decline or save a print product. Too much online inventory from too many rivals. #editorchat

[20:52:43] JDEbberly: RT @ivanoransky: Great chat going on involving Twitter journalist master @JOHNABYRNE right now at #editorchat

[20:52:45] milehighfool: @dmac1 You’re on the front lines. How much of writing is informed by the BW community? Twitter? #editorchat

[20:52:45] janeco: @LydiaBreakfast I would think freelancers keep the overhead down #editorchat

[20:52:45] anndouglas: RT @johnabyrne Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[20:52:49] mitchjoel: You are focusing on content. I say focus on the advertising. Newspapers sell advertising, not content. Learn those new models. #editorchat

[20:52:58] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Who are the most involved social-media journalists you know? @newmediajim and @ricksanchezcnn top my list. #editorchat

[20:53:02] JOHNABYRNE: 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat

[20:53:11] mobienthusiast: @merylkevans my beef: local emergency stories not tweeted or on front page of local media, i.e. fires/water main break #sandiego #editorchat

[20:53:11] jeffkart: @JOHNABYRNE they said radio, movies and tv would kill us. newspapers that adapt(ed) will survive. #editorchat

[20:53:17] shortformblog: To go along with my comments about ad revenue, I suggest you guys check out http://revenuetwopointzero.com/ #rev2oh #editorchat

[20:53:21] CathyWebSavvyPR: @JOHNABYRNE the million dollar question is how can newspapers transition to online/mobile and stay in business? #editorchat

[20:53:21] JOHNABYRNE: The upshot: Nothing less than radical transformation is necessary to succeed in the future. #editorchat

[20:53:41] JOHNABYRNE: Problem is, most people in media cling to those three absolutes as if they are white lies and don’t change. #editorchat

[20:53:44] phdinparenting: @anndouglas I subscribed to one of them….not happy! #editorchat

[20:53:50] CathyWebSavvyPR: RT @JOHNABYRNE 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat

[20:53:52] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: The upshot: Nothing less than radical transformation is necessary to succeed in the future. #editorchat

[20:53:59] JOHNABYRNE: So they cling to the hope that print advertising will come back. #editorchat

[20:54:07] knitnrun: @LydiaBreakfast Maybe nat’l heathcare will happen is the demise of corporate emps in so many industries like pub (freelancers) #editorchat

[20:54:10] shortformblog: I took part in #rev2oh over the weekend, and we tried coming up with ad models even though we’re editorial people. #editorchat

[20:54:11] ATLCheap: @GinaLaGuardia Why, yes I am the Jennifer you know. So many great tweets, it’s tricky catching up tonight. #editorchat

[20:54:12] littlebrownpen: @JOHNABYRNE What are your thoughts on that transformation? Seems BW is ahead of the curve. #editorchat

[20:54:13] PDXsays: @CathyWebSavvyPR printing is a huge investment to just toss over, true #editorchat

[20:54:19] JOHNABYRNE: They think that some day online advertising will offset the print decline and help support a broken print model. #editorchat

[20:54:19] merylkevans: @mobienthusiast My local paper and some TV news stations are good about posting breaking news on its home page. #editorchat

[20:54:25] bob_bobala: We’re talking a lot about the downfall of print. But there’s more opportunity than ever to get your stuff out in the world. #editorchat

[20:54:29] janeco: RT @JOHNABYRNE: The upshot: Nothing less than radical transformation is necessary to succeed in the future. #editorchat

[20:54:39] CathyBrowne: RT @mitchjoel: You are focusing on content. I say focus on the advertising. Newspapers sell advertising, not content.#editorchat

[20:54:44] broksas: I shouldn’t be surprised RT @JOHNABYRNE: Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[20:54:54] bob_bobala: You just have to be skilled enough to get the cream to rise to the top. #editorchat

[20:54:56] JOHNABYRNE: And they think that their competitors will die and therefore they’ll be able to charge for content. #editorchat

[20:55:01] shortformblog: You have to think outside the box, really, to save this industry. And thinking about ads might just be the ticket. #rev2oh #editorchat

[20:55:07] dodgemedlin: @shortformblog Rev2.0 came up with a lot of good stuff. It’ll be interesting to see how it’s put into practice. #editorchat

[20:55:12] kristoforlawson: @shortformblog – newspapers definitely need to worry about content first. People buy stuff if its actually worth reading #editorchat

[20:55:18] JOHNABYRNE: All these things prevent incumbents from embracing the transformational changes they need to survive and succeed. #editorchat

[20:55:24] jimmcbee: rt @JOHNABYRNE Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat

[20:55:32] WriteNowBiz: Isn’t it true the ‘turnover’ of online is more? Things seem “old news” faster? #editorchat

[20:55:35] miltoncontact: Time for bed here in Cambridge, thanks for interesting chat
#editorchat

[20:55:37] ginakay: @JOHNABYRNE Tough 2 B journalist > confirming a story’s validity is difficult, particularly if story seeds/threads are online? #editorchat

[20:55:36] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: And they think that their competitors will die and therefore they’ll be able to charge for content. #editorchat

[20:55:38] GinaLaGuardia: @ATLCheap Excellent — nice to see you on here. Following you. πŸ™‚ And yes, I’m doing my best to read-read-read. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[20:55:43] gfcorbett: RT @JOHNABYRNE 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat

[20:55:50] colorsign: @JOHNABYRNE Only David Faber has come close to telling me (and most others I figure) about toxic assets. Will print get it? #editorchat

[20:55:53] knitnrun: RT @JOHNABYRNE: They think that some day online advertising will offset the print decline and help support a broken print model. #editorchat

[20:56:01] dmac1: @milehighfool Few stories I write get published on BW without being vetted by readers at some point in process #editorchat

[20:56:08] PDXsays: @JOHNABYRNE that’s morose.. wait for you neighbor to die of the plague to raid their food pantry…? surely that is not a biz mo #editorchat

[20:56:12] JDEbberly: @miltoncontact See you next week, Milton! Nice reading your tweets! #editorchat

[20:56:13] shortformblog: @kristoforlawson Tell that to the people paying our paychecks. I’ve already been laid off once in the last six months. #editorchat

[20:56:16] dodgemedlin: @bob_bobala That’s the irony. More people are reading newspapers’ stuff than ever before. It’s the money that’s the problem. #editorchat

[20:56:18] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Print advertising is not coming back. What papers need to learn is successful online biz models. #editorchat

[20:56:22] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat

[20:56:25] jennipps: @kristoforlawson Definitely. Local paper here alternates mostly advertising/articles. I’ve seen it said they sell more w/article #editorchat

[20:56:43] leighgrace: Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat (via @JOHNABYRNE)

[20:56:44] JOHNABYRNE: Transformation is really hard and painful. That’s why a lot of players aren’t going to make it. #editorchat

[20:56:47] chuckhemann: RT @JOHNABYRNE: They think that some day online advertising will offset the print decline and help support a broken print model. #editorchat

[20:56:51] MikeLizun: RT @dmac1: @milehighfool Few stories I write get published on BW without being vetted by readers at some point in process #editorchat

[20:57:02] JOHNABYRNE: I had a fascinating discussion this afternoon with our chief economist Mike Mandell. #editorchat

[20:57:04] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Transformation is really hard and painful. That’s why a lot of players aren’t going to make it. #editorchat

[20:57:04] mitchjoel: What is Craigslist and Huffington Post doing right? Why aren’t newspapers and magazines doing that? #editorchat.

[20:57:09] marciamarcia: User engagement has become a buzz phrase (few are really walking the talk) in journalism & society at large. #editorchat

[20:57:15] JOHNABYRNE: He maintains that within three years, there will be a media boom. #editorchat

[20:57:26] littlebrownpen: Anyone else willing to pay for content? I do and am, but most people aren’t there yet. #editorchat

[20:57:27] knitnrun: @WriteNowBiz Turnover is fast. Even on Twitter I see links several days old. If not today’s date, I try not to link. #editorchat

[20:57:38] JOHNABYRNE: It will largely occur through entrepreneurship and the ease of entry into the business via the Net. #editorchat

[20:57:36] JDEbberly: RT @marciamarcia: User engagement has become a buzz phrase (few are really walking the talk) in journalism & society at large. #editorchat

[20:57:39] shortformblog: rt @JOHNABYRNE Transformation is really hard and painful. That’s why a lot of players aren’t going to make it. #editorchat #editorchat

[20:57:39] edwardboches: agree with John #editorchat, I was Creative Director for MPA for years, and also head an ad agency, print adv is over

[20:57:51] BaileyMcC: Look over @JOHNABYRNE ‘s stream for some much needed realism about where we stand on journalism/newspapers et al as he moderates #editorchat

[20:57:54] LydiaBreakfast: @JOHNABYRNE Does that mean more community content? If so will it require more or less staff? #editorchat

[20:57:55] JOHNABYRNE: A new generation of entrepreneur/journalists will emerge to lead this boom. #editorchat

[20:57:56] mitchjoel: It’s actually not about the content. It’s about debt and legacy contracts and unions that leave them unable to evolve. #editorchat.

[20:57:56] kathyoreilly: totally agree @CathyWebSavvyPR @JOHNABYRNE Subscribers r more likely 2 pay 4 content they can’t find anywhere else #editorchat

[20:58:05] dmac1: Sometimes, comments to previous stories or discussions on Twitter help form ideas. Other times, I have a story & I ask for input #editorchat

[20:58:16] anndouglas: RT @BeckyDMBR Print advertising is not coming back. What papers need to learn is successful online biz models. #editorchat

[20:58:18] BeckyDMBR: @littlebrownpen Depends on the content. #editorchat

[20:58:25] bob_bobala: @dodgemedlin Agreed. From a writer’s perspective you probably have to write more across disciplines to have an impact and $ #editorchat

[20:58:30] JOHNABYRNE: And it will result in a media bubble. Part of the logic is based on the removal of the big costs of production & distribution. #editorchat

[20:58:28] kristoforlawson: @jennipps – i stopped buying my local paper because it was all advertising and no quality content. I felt ripped off. #editorchat

[20:58:30] howlvenice: Print magazines are just like the car companies. acknowledging disruptive technologies too late to maintain existing revenues. #editorchat

[20:58:34] MimiAndelman: Local papers do own one thing — local news. Now cover it! #editorchat

[20:58:37] billso: RT @johnabyrne “Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the USA went kaput. #editorchat

[20:58:44] shortformblog: @littlebrownpen I think people should pay for the model, not the content. Add value to the model – iPhone apps are one way. #editorchat

[20:58:44] JOHNABYRNE: Right now, though, it’s hard to imagine us having a media boom, no less a media bubble. #editorchat

[20:58:46] rajmanohar21: rt@JOHNABYRNEA new generation of entrepreneur/journalists will emerge to lead this boom. #editorchat

[20:58:49] edwardboches: #editorchat challenge will be how to connect on niche special interest basis and add very narrow value, rather than broad to gen $$

[20:59:00] jimmcbee: rt @JOHNABYRNE news transformation will occur through entrepreneurship and the ease of entry via the Net. #editorchat

[20:59:10] rajmanohar21: RT@JOHNABYRNEIt will largely occur through entrepreneurship and the ease of entry into the business via the Net. #editorchat

[20:59:11] jeremymeyers: @JOHNABYRNE John you should consolidate all of this information into a blog post #editorchat

[20:59:12] milehighfool: Isn’t a media boom already underway? Twitter, blogs, even Facebook. This is all media in some form. Just not the media we know. #editorchat

[20:59:12] sfwriter: I can’t wait for that boom! Sounds like much more fun than watching newspapers die. #editorchat

[20:59:13] TMFZahrim: Web has been niche while print was mainstream. Role reversal going on. #editorchat

[20:59:14] GinaLaGuardia: Rock on! RT @JOHNABYRNE: A new generation of entrepreneur/journalists will emerge to lead this [media] boom. #editorchat

[20:59:15] ajkeen: examples? please name names, John RT @JOHNABYRNE A new generation of entrepreneur/journalists will emerge to lead this boom. #editorchat

[20:59:20] JOHNABYRNE: I think hyper-local sites have a good future and that should mean more community journalism. #editorchat

[20:59:20] jtlongandco: Craigslist and Huffpo don’t pay their writers. How is that sustainable? #editorchat

[20:59:22] JDEbberly: rt @JOHNABYRNE news transformation will occur through entrepreneurship and the ease of entry via the Net. #editorchat

[20:59:26] jennipps: @kristoforlawson I do too. And too much late news. Then again, newspaper print is hard for me to read, but my dad gets it. #editorchat

[20:59:30] PDXsays: @JOHNABYRNE spoke w/ a tech start up last week who is doing just that.news such as that… but where is the credibility of truth #editorchat

[20:59:38] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: I think hyper-local sites have a good future and that should mean more community journalism. #editorchat

[20:59:40] StevePR104: @CathyBrowne wait…newspapers deliver audience. If people can get their content from elsewhere, they no longer need papers. #editorchat

[20:59:44] shortformblog: @littlebrownpen The ads pay for your paycheck. The three quarters you drop in the box pay for (some of) the newsprint. #editorchat

[20:59:46] AlbertMaruggi: @mitchjoel when you say unions, let’s call it quality of life wage. it issue is laid off local journalist can’t make a living #editorchat

[20:59:54] benhedrington: John Byrne is Tweeting some powerful stuff about the future of print media right now… Wow! http://bit.ly/hf854 #editorchat

[20:59:59] rajmanohar21: RT@JOHNABYRNETransformation is really hard and painful. That’s why a lot of players aren’t going to make it. #editorchat

[20:59:59] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: A new generation of entrepreneur/journalists will emerge to lead this [media] boom. #editorchat

[21:00:02] JOHNABYRNE: Some of that content will be produced by citizens. Some by professional journalists. #editorchat

[21:00:03] edwardboches: most successful newspaper web programs have been acutely local #editorchat, what is equiv for magazines

[21:00:11] ATLCheap: @JOHNABYRNE I agree. Experimenting with this now. Any tips for balancing the entrepreneurial side with the journalism? #editorchat

[21:00:16] ginakay: @MimiAndelman “local papers” often aren’t that local. Example: Cox is based in Atlanta, yet runs our local paper #editorchat

[21:00:15] shortformblog: @littlebrownpen Why not translate that to the next media playing field? #editorchat

[21:00:19] dfiske: RT @GinaLaGuardia: Rock on! RT @JOHNABYRNE: A new generation of entrepreneur/journalists will emerge to lead this [media] boom. #editorchat

[21:00:24] kristoforlawson: @JOHNABYRNE – i think there is a real problem with all the content being the same for both online and print. #editorchat

[21:00:31] mitchjoel: The model will not be about 1 company speaking to 10 million. It will be 10 million companies speaking to 10 million people. #editorchat

[21:00:31] JOHNABYRNE: Ultimately, I think local newspapers can only largely survive if they become local Googles. #editorchat

[21:00:33] anndouglas: RT @JOHNABYRNE: I think hyper-local sites have a good future and that should mean more community journalism. #editorchat

[21:00:34] PDXsays: @JOHNABYRNE this start up takes no responsibility for accuracy of content #editorchat

[21:00:36] mobienthusiast: @dodgemedlin a U-T person said water main story in local sec, needed to be front page early, not everyone got reverse 911 call #editorchat

[21:00:38] shirleybrady: @sfwriter Welcome to BW tech writer Rachael King! #editorchat

[21:00:41] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Some of that content will be produced by citizens. Some by professional journalists. #editorchat

[21:00:41] AlbertMaruggi: @JOHNABYRNE wait on the community journalism thing, where’s the $. Let’s just say $30K plus benefits, who is going to pay that? #editorchat

[21:00:48] rajmanohar21: RT@JOHNABYRNE3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat

[21:01:00] secretsushi: @JOHNABYRNE I have had the “hyper-local” convo with friends. I completely agree. Thats where newspapers started, no? #editorchat

[21:01:04] JanSimpson: RT @jtlongandco: Craigslist and Huffpo don’t pay their writers. How is that sustainable? #editorchat

[21:01:06] cArtPhotography: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Ultimately, I think local newspapers can only largely survive if they become local Googles. #editorchat

[21:01:06] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool I agree. Boom! It’s everywhere. Next step is to hone and perfect. #editorchat

[21:01:10] JOHNABYRNE: They have to acquire enough information about the community & people that they can deliver leads to local businesses. #editorchat

[21:01:08] ginakay: RT @milehighfool Isn’t a media boom already underway? Twitter, blogs, Facebook. All media in some form. Just not media we know. #editorchat

[21:01:10] mitchjoel: It’s still going to be a lot of money, just not as much as newspapers made when they were the only game in town. #editorchat

[21:01:15] ValerieSimon: RT @milehighfool media boom already underway. Twitter, blogs, even Facebook. All media in some form. Just not the media we know. #editorchat

[21:01:20] maczter: RT @JOHNABYRNE: I think hyper-local sites have a good future and that should mean more community journalism. #editorchat

[21:01:23] howlvenice: i helped launch peopleonline.com way back when and they wouldn’t put the URL on the magazine’s cover for years #editorchat

[21:01:24] cperry248: Check out @johnabyrne and his breakdown on the media. Conversation now. #editorchat

[21:01:30] sfwriter: @shirleybrady Thanks! This is really interesting! #editorchat

[21:01:35] MikeLizun: @dmac1 besides twitter, any other social networks you are engaging in, that help form ideas? BX? #editorchat

[21:01:39] pocobw: Searched Twitter for #editorchat: http://tinyurl.com/ch5rts

[21:01:42] jimmcbee: I think ability to read/write/research credibly will eventually be found to be worth money again. Not sure how, though. #editorchat

[21:01:45] mobienthusiast: @dodgemedlin I am pushing this b/c it’s a missing service and also opportunity to build trust with readers #sandiego #editorchat

[21:01:48] PDXsays: RT @JOHNABYRNE Ultimately, I think local newspapers can only largely survive if they become local Googles. #editorchat

[21:01:51] dodgemedlin: @mobienthusiast Well, we could always do better. I really do think we’re learning, though. These conversations help. #editorchat

[21:02:04] littlebrownpen: @dfiske I agree. #editorchat

[21:02:06] clintonskakun: via @mitchjoelWhat is Craigslist and Huffington Post doing right? Why aren’t newspapers and magazines doing that? #editorchat.

[21:02:08] _katelee: Depressing – RT @JOHNABYRNE: Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[21:02:09] JOHNABYRNE: @colorsign You’re talking ideology. We have no ideology at BW. #editorchat

[21:02:10] kristoforlawson: @knitnrun – survivors could boost sales through quality investigative journalism, and let online do the up-to-the-minute news #editorchat

[21:02:24] milehighfool: Journalists and community collaborating: Trick is to the find the line, and not abrogate responsibility. #editorchat

[21:02:26] ATLCheap: RT @JOHNABYRNE: I think hyper-local sites have a good future and that should mean more community journalism. #editorchat #citiesotc

[21:02:27] edwardboches: #editorchat you will have to go to where the audience is and not expect them to come to you

[21:02:29] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: @colorsign You’re talking ideology. We have no ideology at BW. #editorchat

[21:02:41] AlbertMaruggi: @JOHNABYRNE leads for businesses,that’s why I wonder why I’m in the chamber of commerce :>) but you are right about that model #editorchat

[21:02:40] dodgemedlin: @mobienthusiast Thanks! I’ll pass this along to our online folks. #editorchat

[21:02:41] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: Journalists and community collaborating: Trick is to the find the line, and not abrogate responsibility. #editorchat

[21:02:44] JOHNABYRNE: @AlbertMaruggi The salaries will be lower, except for the entrepreneurs who start these sites. #editorchat

[21:02:46] Willowbottom: @milehighfool The problem w/media we don’t know seemsthat it’s hard for it to earn street cred – or is that just my perception? #editorchat

[21:02:52] JDEbberly: RT @edwardboches: #editorchat you will have to go to where the audience is and not expect them to come to you

[21:02:54] shirleybrady: @pocobw & welcome to BW.com managing channel editor Patricia O’Connell! #editorchat

[21:02:54] secretsushi: Newspapers need to concentrate on the message and not the medium. The “news” and not the “paper”. #editorchat

[21:02:56] edwardboches: #editorchat what twitter, facebook, et al are doing is owning the audience, possible vehicle for connection and readers

[21:03:06] DavisFreeberg: @mariaschneider Most social media is only worth quoting if you can’t verify the source. #editorchat

[21:03:08] etanowitz: Hello, Etan Horowitz, tech writer/blogger at Orlando Sentinel here. what’s the topic/question of the moment? #editorchat

[21:03:10] mobienthusiast: @dodgemedlin also it wasn’t just you, @nbcsandiego had it on a newscast but didn’t tweet it & not on their home page #sandiego #editorchat

[21:03:12] bmforbes: u can tell w HuffPo! RT @JanSimpson: RT @jtlongandco: Craigslist and Huffpo don’t pay their writers. How is that sustainable? #editorchat

[21:03:14] JDEbberly: RT @secretsushi: Newspapers need to concentrate on the message and not the medium. The “news” and not the “paper”. #editorchat

[21:03:18] jomc: print retweeters!!! (good points here) RT @JOHNABYRNE: How many Bernie Madoff pleads guilty stories can anyone read. #editorchat

[21:03:21] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Not sure about “hyper-local online sites.” Jury’s out for me. But local print papers? I believe they will thrive. #editorchat

[21:03:35] shortformblog: @Johnabyrne I think you’re right about hyperlocal. News should be like Yelp or UrbanSpoon. It should be centralized – on you. #editorchat

[21:03:34] JOHNABYRNE: In every community, taxpayers want to know how their money is being spent. #editorchat

[21:03:36] jimmcbee: rt @JOHNABYRNE The salaries will be lower, except for the entrepreneurs who start these (new media) sites. #editorchat

[21:03:48] edwardboches: #editorchat perhaps there is a way to become the objective reliable content arm of major social network platforms

[21:03:49] JOHNABYRNE: Parents want to know how their children are being educated. #editorchat

[21:03:53] knitnrun: RT @JOHNABYRNE (sic) comm papers must acquire enough info about commty & pple that they deliver leads to local biz / UseTwitter! #editorchat

[21:03:53] kristoforlawson: my solution to newspapers is to focus on investigative journalism again, and let online news do the day to day stuff. #editorchat

[21:04:01] jennipps: RT @milehighfool Journalists and community collaborating: Trick is to the find the line, and not abrogate responsibility. #editorchat

[21:04:10] ginakay: If goal is to deliver leads to local biz via local print media, some of that happens now, plus an online presence (Bizjournals) #editorchat

[21:04:12] yoyomama_van: Interesting article on free content & services from the Economist. Not totally on point, but still relevant: http://bit.ly/m9Gw #editorchat

[21:04:26] LydiaBreakfast: May I remind everyone this is a chat to determine how writers and editors can move with the changing times – not a gripe session #editorchat

[21:04:29] JOHNABYRNE: And then there are local sports–high school, college, Little League, soccer, etc. #editorchat

[21:04:31] milehighfool: @Willowbottom No, that’s fair and to @JOHNABYRNE‘s point: engaging, original content wins. Source is secondary. #editorchat

[21:04:37] dodgemedlin: @jimmcbee Aha! So *that’s* why you started smartnewsnc.com. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:04:45] MimiAndelman: I would like highly targeted local news, down to the neighborhood, even — with advertising that pertains. Good for all. #editorchat

[21:04:45] edwardboches: #editorchat what bothers me about the social free for all is lack of objectivity, discipline reporting, etc,

[21:04:48] shirleybrady: @edwardboches Great idea, Edward. #editorchat

[21:04:51] shortformblog: @JOHNABYRNE Do you think they care about chicken dinners, T-ball games and business functions too? πŸ˜€ Just kidding. You’re right #editorchat

[21:04:51] jenandtheart: Why is no one addressing the aesthetic and cultural value of paper and instead trying to reinvent what we put in ink and paper? #editorchat

[21:04:53] AlbertMaruggi: @kristoforlawson you have a point there. I see plenty of opportunity for corruption without independent press #editorchat

[21:04:54] littlebrownpen: RT: @kristoforlawson my solution to is to focus on investigative journalism again, and let online news do the day to day #editorchat

[21:05:06] RBLevin: @milehighfool Define boom? Users? Boom. Revenue? Bust. #editorchat

[21:05:16] Dark_Faust: Just joining. Is there a list of questions for tonight’s tweet? #editorchat

[21:05:26] merylkevans: @apowerpoint I have two tweetgrid tabs open — one for #editorchat and one for #b2bmktgchat. http://www.hashtags.org/ explains all # #b2bmktgchat

[21:05:26] ginakay: I missed Scrubs because of #editorchat. heh.

[21:05:35] jeffkart: @JOHNABYRNE thats a niche that newspapers can fill. all local. no wire. #editorchat

[21:05:35] kristoforlawson: you can’t expect to sell papers if the content online is pretty much the same as in the paper format. #editorchat

[21:05:37] edwardboches: #editorchat writers and editors still need to show readers they have value in quality that can’t be found from amateurs

[21:05:44] JOHNABYRNE: HuffPo’s plan is a smart one. If the local newspaper doesn’t do it, they will. But local entrepreneurs will have the advantage. #editorchat

[21:05:49] JDEbberly: RT: @kristoforlawson my solution to is to focus on investigative journalism again, and let online news do the day to day #editorchat

[21:06:00] etanowitz: anyone can solicit user generated content, but media/journalists will stand out by being the best at filtering and compiling #editorchat

[21:06:04] mobienthusiast: @LydiaBreakfast I hope you don’t mean me – I am offering insight for improved social media/journalist communication #editorchat

[21:06:10] PDXsays: Is the day of the smart local journalist who aspires to rise over? #editorchat

[21:06:11] TMFZahrim: RT @jenandtheart: Why is no one addressing aesthetic and cultural value of paper, instead trying to reinvent it? #editorchat

[21:06:16] GinaLaGuardia: @edwardboches They are owning *&* employing/leveraging audience’s contributions. Good editors can frame that.. that’s the future #editorchat

[21:06:23] LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust It’s an open discussion. Not following the format tonight #editorchat

[21:06:22] amandachapel: @JOHNABYRNE “The salaries will be lower, except for the entrepreneurs who start these sites. #editorchat” Nonsense.

[21:06:23] konadad: Agreed. RT @edwardboches: #editorchat what bothers me about the social free for all is lack of objectivity, discipline reporting, etc,

[21:06:28] jtlongandco: Community=more than geography. Florida country club members want a different story about Madoff than hedge fund managers,nonprof #editorchat

[21:06:36] knitnrun: @JOHNABYRNE As @kristoforlawson said and my f-i-law says is missing fr Web content: it’s the investigative piece. Thoughts? #editorchat

[21:06:39] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Agreed, though I recently wrote about a company trying to do local news via algorithm. Scary. #editorchat

[21:06:40] Dark_Faust: @LydiaBreakfast Fewer pubs and a broken bus model means less full-time jobs. Lots of freelancing work, tho. #editorchat

[21:06:40] LydiaBreakfast: @mobienthusiast No not you πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:06:47] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: @Dark_Faust It’s an open discussion. Not following the format tonight #editorchat

[21:06:52] jimmcbee: @dodgemedlin I have hopes for Ernie’s http://shortformblog.com too πŸ˜‰ (and no monetary interest, either) It’s time to experiment #editorchat

[21:06:53] RBLevin: @JOHNABYRNE And they don’t read or click on online ads. #editorchat

[21:06:53] motownmutt: @cynawriter you can try following the #editorchat discussion with tweetgrid: http://is.gd/oZh1

[21:06:54] dmac1: @MikeLizun BX is good tool. But I find best place to find readers w/ good ideas are comment threads on BW stories & blogs #editorchat

[21:06:55] fromartz: @JOHNABYRNE And will BW writers flock to do hyper-local news? #editorchat

[21:07:06] TMFZahrim: For print to survive, it indeed needs to embrace its “print-ness” #editorchat

[21:07:06] edwardboches: #editorchat agree wtih investigative that will be sorely missed of papers or serious magazines diminish

[21:07:08] secretsushi: TRaditional media’s strength is in their ability to assimilate information and foster resources. #editorchat

[21:07:20] leanneclc: What do you guys think of the way NPR has been able to get money from audience? Not same as for profit…but it works #editorchat

[21:07:22] kristoforlawson: @AlbertMaruggi – absolutely. Papers used to be about exposing corruption, and keeping people honest. #editorchat

[21:07:28] milehighfool: @RBLevin Hey Rich. Not everyone is going bust. Is Portfolio? BusinessWeek? The Fool? Nope. #editorchat

[21:07:29] JDEbberly: WOW, TREMENDOUS insights by @JOHNABYRNE and others!! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:07:33] womenkind: I figure the future belongs to long-form print content (The New Yorker) and headlines which you can get in 1000 places for free. #editorchat

[21:07:37] dodgemedlin: @jimmcbee Absolutely. shortformblog.com has a ton of potential. #editorchat

[21:07:40] JOHNABYRNE: @amandachapel I know a highly experienced journalist who now works for a monthly $500 draw and is paid by page views. #editorchat

[21:07:42] TMFZahrim: sure have blogs and a FB page, but do things in print you can’t do online #editorchat

[21:07:46] Krochmal: You should be reading @JOHNABYRNE ‘s tweetstream right now. Seriously. #editorchat

[21:08:04] Dark_Faust: @edwardboches Really, the audience is owning the audience. The readers are in control. That’s a mixed blessing. #editorchat

[21:08:04] jtlongandco: @milehighfool News by algorithm = very scary #editorchat

[21:08:05] martindave: RT @JOHNABYRNE 2) Online advert cannot offset print decline or save print product. 2 much online inventory from 2 many rivals. #editorchat

[21:08:16] MikeLizun: @dmac1 Thanks. #editorchat

[21:08:31] kristoforlawson: @AlbertMaruggi – and getting to the heart of a story. Making sure its told properly. Quality journalism must return! #editorchat

[21:08:32] kathyoreilly: @dmac1 have u asked Q’s on LinkedIn where A’s generate story ideas/content? #editorchat

[21:08:37] JOHNABYRNE: BW is not about hyper-local. We need to provide original, useful analysis that helps people get ahead in biz. #editorchat

[21:08:46] TMFZahrim: portable, bendable, vivid and esily readable… scratch n sniff πŸ˜› paper can do so much my computer can’t #editorchat

[21:08:48] edwardboches: @leanneclc #editorchat npr is proof people will pay for good content. if new yorker went, every reader would pay for the online version

[21:08:51] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE 2) Online advert cannot offset print decline or save print product. 2 much online inventory from 2 many rivals. #editorchat

[21:08:54] shortformblog: @jimmcbee @dodgemedlin You schmucks are too kind. πŸ˜€ #editorchat

[21:09:02] dodgemedlin: OK, duty calls. I’ll catch up on reading this later. @mobienthusiast, thanks for the comments about emergency coverage. #editorchat

[21:09:04] milehighfool: @jtlongandco The idea is to pull from Twitter, FB, blogs and other public postings and then triangulate based on your GPS. #editorchat

[21:09:06] AlbrightDC: @TMFZahrim “things in print you can’t do online”… Like what? #editorchat

[21:09:13] ttlFantastic: RT @JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: A new generation of entrepreneur/journalists will emerge to lead this [media] boom. #editorchat

[21:09:14] RBLevin: @milehighfool What I mean is, lots of readers, very little if any revenue per reader. #editorchat

[21:09:19] JOHNABYRNE: We used to live in a nice little world with finite competition: WSJ, Fortune & Forbes. #editorchat

[21:09:22] mitchjoel: HuffPo is an opp for journos to grow audience and brand. Use that audience to monetize – book deals, Blogs, other initiatives. #editorchat.

[21:09:28] martindave: RT @JOHNABYRNE 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat [spot on, kudos, JAB]

[21:09:32] PDXsays: I just felt our children’s IQ’s drop by at least 10 points, with the future of journalism #editorchat

[21:09:36] RBLevin: @amandachapel HoffPost gets much of its content for free. I’d call that “lower.” #editorchat

[21:09:36] JDEbberly: @jtlongandco The idea is to pull from Twitter, FB, blogs and other public postings and then triangulate based on your GPS. #editorchat

[21:09:46] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Agreed. The future is news analysis. I’m not sure there’s such a thing as straight news anymore. #editorchat

[21:09:53] eclisham: There are many other opportunities for online revenue besides ads: text/email, video, lead gen, paid local search, etc. 1/2 #editorchat

[21:09:57] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added #editorchat

[21:09:57] TMFZahrim: cf Watchmen, Moore strives to do in comics what only comics can do. Yep the film failed. #editorchat

[21:10:00] AlbrightDC: I’d rather have all my news presented on screen- scrollable, searchable, etc- than deal with messy newsprint. #editorchat

[21:10:07] edwardboches: #editorchat agree with @womenkind people will pay for high quality long content, at least let’s hope so or it’s fox world

[21:10:05] hriefs: @JOHNABYRNE The Tribune is now moving fast with the hyper-local model, introducing neighborhood editions in 30+ suburbs #editorchat

[21:10:13] JOHNABYRNE: Today, we compete against Yahoo Finance, MSN Money, AOL Money & Finance, CNBC.com, Reuters.com, Bloomberg.com. #editorchat

[21:10:15] JDEbberly: RT @milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Agreed. The future is news analysis. I’m not sure there’s such a thing as straight news anymore. #editorchat

[21:10:23] LydiaBreakfast: @RBLevin Which is the problem. How does anyone make a living wage tied to page views? #editorchat

[21:10:23] Dark_Faust: @martindave Any even then, they will pay very little. That’s the problem. #editorchat

[21:10:25] eclisham: BUT — will newspaper sales departments ramp up to be able to sell these new formats? 2/2 #editorchat

[21:10:25] collazoprojects: Bummed I’ve missed #editorchat due to computer problems.

[21:10:41] AlbrightDC: I think the “print vs. online” debate is largely generational. Today’s reporters post online. Period. #editorchat

[21:10:45] karenauby: @TMFZahrim I agree. I love reading the actual paper with a cup of coffee….a morning ritual #editorchat

[21:10:47] milehighfool: @RBLevin Agreed. And that *is* a huge issue. Even if brain engagement is up, wallet engagement, overall, is down. #editorchat

[21:10:48] JOHNABYRNE: The biz sections of the HuffPo, Salon, The Atlantic, biz & economic blogs, AmericanExpress Open, etc. #editorchat

[21:10:52] jenandtheart: I don’t think we lack accessibility to quality journalism. I think we lack creative models of employment. #editorchat

[21:10:54] secretsushi: – @JOHNABYRNE distribution is what made 1 paper better than another. Bigger reach. Now that is not a factor due to the web. #editorchat

[21:11:01] jennipps: @AlbrightDC My prob is the readability of the newsprint rather than the messiness. #editorchat

[21:11:09] shortformblog: @johnabyrne That’s not true. You compete against everyone. Those are just the big players. #editorchat

[21:11:09] bob_bobala: RT @milehighfool “The future is news analysis.” Yeah, that’s the value add that people will pay for. #editorchat

[21:11:12] jtlongandco: @sacramentopress I think you would enjoy this discussion #editorchat

[21:11:12] knitnrun: @leanneclc Good call on NPR money making. Have seen others suggest newspapers will need to go the nonprofit route. #editorchat

[21:11:14] JDEbberly: @collazoprojects You can read the transcript on the editorchat home page πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:11:16] brucebski: #editorchat What ever you do, it must hold the attention of your audience, like a bucket holds water. It’s a competition 4 holding attention

[21:11:23] edwardboches: #editorchat here’s an idea: invent a new hardware technology that sends out news sources. buy once and sub to content sources

[21:11:22] PDXsays: @LydiaBreakfast you don’t … I am following some stuff on twitter – and god forgive me – don’t have the citations at hand #editorchat

[21:11:24] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Hmm. HuffPo is “smart” for HuffPo. For journalists or those who want journalism? Not so much. #editorchat

[21:11:29] jimmcbee: @PDXsays Critical thinking will be even more valuable with deluge of unreliable news/info. Facts and truth are slippery buggers. #editorchat

[21:11:34] Dark_Faust: @RBLevin yes. that’s what we’re finding. What is working for is a sponsorship model where the big companies pay. #editorchat

[21:11:35] JOHNABYRNE: And, of course, WSJ, Fortune and Forbes online. Also The Economist, The Financial Times, the biz section of the NYT, etc. #editorchat

[21:11:48] jenandtheart: #AlbrightDC Disagree. I’m 23 and I would still pay for NYTimes if they would give me something better in print (or online) #editorchat

[21:11:56] edwardboches: #editorchat do not start with what you do, start with what your reader wants and work backwards

[21:11:58] womenkind: @edwardboches People who value great content will pay for it. But not many people do. New Yorker has relatively low circ. #editorchat

[21:11:57] shortformblog: @johnabyrne Any blogger or guy with a twitter feed who has an opinion on business is your competitor. #editorchat

[21:11:59] dmac1: Local papers can use tech to give community the power and responsibility to do stories they want, ie Spot.Us http://bit.ly/qbrF1 #editorchat

[21:12:11] TMFZahrim: @JOHNABYRNE Not the Fool? πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:12:14] JOHNABYRNE: It’s a very different competitive world. #editorchat

[21:12:19] rickywhy: @mobienthusiast @dodgemedlin this was posted on SignOn home page five hours before the city notified people http://bit.ly/gZio #editorchat

[21:12:20] AlbrightDC: @jennipps Readability- good point. Devices like the Kindle will adjust the print size for you. #editorchat

[21:12:20] PDXsays: @jenandtheart you’re onto something there, I believe… #editorchat

[21:12:30] kristoforlawson: @womenkind – I agree. Print needs to be long in-depth investigative journalism. Online needs to be the day-to-day headlines. #editorchat

[21:12:31] StevePR104: @jimmcbee Irony: if fewer can make money delivering news because of the Net, we become less, not more, informed because of it. #editorchat

[21:12:44] edwardboches: #editorchat steal chapter from amazon kindle, not their core strength, but inspired by consumer/reader desire

[21:12:47] mobienthusiast: @shirleybrady Please send me a transcript link too #editorchat

[21:12:56] knitnrun: RT @edwardboches #editorchat do not start with what you do, start with what your reader wants and work backwards

[21:13:00] DougH: @AlbertMaruggi @mitchjoel‘s right. Unions support jobs that would be eliminated/evolve for distribution to evolve. Won;t go easy #editorchat

[21:13:07] IPStrategist: @JOHNABYRNE Interesting. Stopped NYT in ATL b/c HuffPo my first stop in am. Don’t miss local paper b/c ATL paper stunk 4 years. #editorchat

[21:13:09] JOHNABYRNE: @shortformblog I pretty much agree with you. Our brand still stands for something but the competition is amazing now. #editorchat

[21:13:16] AlbrightDC: @jenandtheart Oh I would pay for online access, if it was from a good source. #editorchat

[21:13:18] BaileyMcC: @Dark_Faust do you worry about objectivity with the sponsorhip model? #editorchat

[21:13:20] LydiaBreakfast: Speaking of hyperlocal vs. wider focus, will they be able to coexist peacefully and profitably in the future? #editorchat

[21:13:27] Dark_Faust: @jimmcbee With media in collapse, critical thinkers will not linker long in journalism. They will migrate behind corp walls. #editorchat

[21:13:34] rickywhy: It was updated 2 hours later, and 5 hours later again… Admittedly, blog items not prominent on page… But available on rss #editorchat

[21:13:37] paradisekitten: Wheww Editor chat is hot! Lots of great insight and interesting views in sizzling tweet-feast. #editorchat

[21:13:39] littlebrownpen: @JOHNABYRNE Also opinion blogs like calculated risk, mish, roubini, deninger, etc. Competition is endless. #editorchat

[21:13:54] RBLevin: I also think that publishers need to look at things like webinars. Advertisers want the lists and leads. #editorchat

[21:13:56] marciamarcia: @PDXsays Children adapt & find new ways to excel. I hear their IQs going up 10pts. Well, at least those who engage. #editorchat

[21:14:05] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Hyper-local strikes me as a false panacea. I don’t need to know what’s going on the block over. #editorchat

[21:14:08] JDEbberly: @paradisekitten You got that right! #editorchat

[21:14:20] jenandtheart: @AlbrightDC So would I. But it would have to have greater depth and breadth than just an online copy of paper #editorchat

[21:14:23] dmac1: @kathyoreilly I haven’t, prob because it’s a more private site. But I know LinkedIn added public features, so I should revisit #editorchat

[21:14:31] MikeLizun: @JOHNBYRNE what about mobile? Thoughts on that news delivery method and ad rev generating model? #editorchat

[21:14:42] RBLevin: What if an online pub were “ad free” sponsored by a vendor? Vendor gets branding, opt-in mailing list, other stuff. #editorchat

[21:14:43] ATLCheap: @hriefs The AJC just cut most of its hyper-local print sections, even though metro #Atlanta needs them due to its size. #editorchat

[21:14:45] edwardboches: #editorchat hyperlocal in the magazine business isn’t geographical, it’s subject/interest

[21:14:51] winequester: @JOHNABYRNE Overwhelming our Twitter feeds and pushing our friends and biz associates off by carpet bombing is arrogant. #editorchat

[21:14:51] mobienthusiast: @rickywhy I didn’t see it when I went to signon home page. My point is it needed to be front and center, not on interior page #editorchat

[21:14:53] MimiAndelman: But they may pay if it is: RT @JOHNABYRNE Subscribers will generally not pay fpr content unless it’s original…value-added #editorchat

[21:14:53] JOHNABYRNE: @BaileyMcC Not really. Under sponsorship, you may get more coverage of this or that. But it shouldn’t be influenced by a sponsor #editorchat

[21:14:56] secretsushi: @StevePR104 distribution is rly the primary issue. Cut that cost out of the equation. Distribute locally where ur strength is. #editorchat

[21:15:01] jennipps: @milehighfool That, to me, seems hyper-hyper. *s* Local paper has outlying communities & is — IMO — hyperlocal that way. #editorchat

[21:15:14] tweditor: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast I agree with @milehighfool. The HOA newsletter is boring. #editorchat

[21:15:17] jenandtheart: @PDXsays The problems that I see is that we A. Reinvent the wheel everytime it gets a flat & #editorchat

[21:15:30] Dark_Faust: @BaileyMcC For us – technology coverage – it’s easier to avoid that bullet. We cover the pain points of engineers. #editorchat

[21:15:35] edwardboches: #editorchat journalists need some real marketing help: every reader relationship to content is different

[21:15:45] JOHNABYRNE: @RBLevin Totally agree. Media brands need to become direct marketers and also create new products that people will pay for. #editorchat

[21:15:47] jimmcbee: @Dark_Faust one might say most already are, given size of media chains. Will corps hire journos to interpret the day’s events? #editorchat

[21:15:57] edwardboches: #editorchat some readers want entertainment, some information, some advice, some the chance to interact

[21:15:56] steveluis: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Last year, more than 500 magazine titles in the U.S. went kaput. #editorchat

[21:15:56] TWATTERPUBLIC: tweditor: @milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast I agree with @milehighfool. The HOA newsletter is boring. #editorchat

[21:15:59] mobienthusiast: @rickywhy also, nobody from U-T tweeted it w/link to story = missed opportunity. Reverse 911 call said it happened Sun p.m. #editorchat

[21:16:09] jenandtheart: @PDXsays and B. The people who are ultimately running these establishments have NO IDEA what the internet is really about. #editorchat

[21:16:11] edwardboches: #editorchat need to think in terms of reader and then work backwards to add value that people will pay for

[21:16:14] fixin2: @MikeLizun I think this would work with media outlets with enough assets to deliver content, ads to devices #editorchat

[21:16:16] Dark_Faust: @BaileyMcC Much more fact based. But, yes, the EiC always has to be aware of the paying guest. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:16:20] KBordessa: RT @ATLCheap @JOHNABYRNE I think hyper-local sites have a good future and that should mean more community journalism. #editorchat #citiesotc

[21:16:24] JDEbberly: Editorchat is getting as fast-paced as journchat! WOWSERS!! #editorchat

[21:16:22] jeremymeyers: #editorchat The newspaper/advertiser relationship will benefit from the hyper-local targeting ability impossible with print but easy for web

[21:16:28] LydiaBreakfast: Maybe it takes a hyper-local village to reinvent the bigger news model? #editorchat

[21:16:38] PDXsays: @marciamarcia man.. last I read, kid’s performance in schools slumped..public schools, yes? AND as I recall, much of our thinkin #editorchat

[21:16:50] kristoforlawson: If print journalism can be different from online it has a big market. If it continues to be the same content then its in trouble #editorchat

[21:17:02] anndouglas: @milehighfool What I like about hyper-local is potential to make real change @ local level by knowing beat/issues. #editorchat

[21:17:07] dmac1: @colorsign More difficult to get a scoop than ever, especially in tech and biz news where bloggers now break good chunk of news #editorchat

[21:17:17] PDXsays: thinking process training comes from education using journalism #editorchat

[21:17:19] AlbrightDC: @kristoforlawson Why wouldn’t it be the same content? #editorchat

[21:17:24] fromartz: @JOHNABYRNE and companies are starting their own media channels and hiring journalists #editorchat

[21:17:24] MimiAndelman: Makes case for Tweeting new content. RT @rickywhy: … Admittedly, blog items not prominent on page… But available on rss #editorchat

[21:17:36] BaileyMcC: RT @edwardboches: #editorchat need to think in terms of reader and then work backwards to add value that people will pay for

[21:17:39] edwardboches: #editorchat @lydiabreakfast, there are lessons in every revolution, USA today, CNN, proliferation of special interest magazines

[21:17:46] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Interesting idea. How do you market and report and maintain credibility? #editorchat

[21:17:49] mobienthusiast: @RickyWhy Not trying to pick on UT; point is I drank water Sun p.m., coincidentally was sick, wanted info on front page #editorchat

[21:17:54] jenandtheart: @PDXsays At the cost of ageism: I don’t remember a time before the Internet. I have been on the Internet since I have memories. #editorchat

[21:18:06] MikeLizun: correction @JOHNABYRNE what about mobile? Thoughts on that news delivery method and ad rev generating model? #editorchat

[21:18:20] ginavon: I am liking the @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat …reading along. thx!

[21:18:25] soultravelers3: RT @JOHNABYRNE I know a highly experienced journalist who now works for a monthly $500 draw and is paid by page views. #editorchat

[21:18:22] snakewicked: Following interesting #editorchat discussion with @JOHNABYRNE, ed in chief at Business Week.

[21:18:24] Dark_Faust: @jimmcbee In my world – technology trade – journs are being use to cover editorial issues for corps. both print and online. #editorchat

[21:18:26] jenandtheart: @AlbrightDC @kristoforlawson Because do you put your right shoe on your left foot and your left shoe on your right? #editorchat

[21:18:27] DavisFreeberg: Too often journalists play safe by only writing pros/con re: argument instead of giving the opin & analysis that readers crave #editorchat

[21:18:30] littlebrownpen: A “flight to quality” is in effect. People are sick of spin, and hungry for journalism. #editorchat

[21:18:34] kristoforlawson: print needs to cover stories which are not yesterdays news. Online has a role to play in delivering news immediately #editorchat

[21:18:36] PDXsays: .. and as a generation, your comprehensive abilities are…? #editorchat

[21:18:40] mobienthusiast: @RickyWhy So, here’s request: if it’s important, have at least a headline on front page – same thing happened w/ fires last year #editorchat

[21:18:40] womenkind: @kristoforlawson Exactly. Why would anyone pay for People Mag when you can get the dirt online & in real time? #editorchat

[21:18:44] MimiAndelman: LOVE IT! RT @milehighfool What I like about hyper-local is potential to make real change @ local level by knowing beat/issues. #editorchat

[21:19:02] Dark_Faust: @jimmcbee some investigative reporting, but those reports never see the public “light of day” – as you hint. #editorchat

[21:19:07] AlbrightDC: “Brand” is important to print papers transitioning to online. Reputation=key #editorchat

[21:19:21] MaryKnudson: @JOHNABYRNE How do u keep online t news judgment of editors, reporters that shows up in newspapers by where story is played? #editorchat

[21:19:24] milehighfool: RT @littlebrownpen A “flight to quality” is in effect. People are sick of spin, and hungry for journalism. #editorchat

[21:19:26] jimmcbee: @milehighfool great q … credibility has really sunk anyway #editorchat

[21:19:27] JOHNABYRNE: @MikeLizun Mobile is key. I can foresee a day when most people will get their news via mobile device and not TV. Not far away. #editorchat

[21:19:29] JDEbberly: RT @AlbrightDC: “Brand” is important to print papers transitioning to online. Reputation=key #editorchat

[21:19:33] edwardboches: @MikeLizun #editorchat mobile will be huge, but with current technology more about shorter format and real time, less about long content

[21:19:37] PDXsays: @MimiAndelman caution harking to fifedoms #editorchat

[21:19:47] kristoforlawson: @AlbrightDC – because why would you pick up a paper if exactly the same story is free online? It needs to be different #editorchat

[21:19:49] jennipps: RT @AlbrightDC “Brand” is important to print papers transitioning to online. Reputation=key #editorchat

[21:19:51] JOHNABYRNE: So figuring out how to use smart phones in an interactive way is an important part of the future. #editorchat

[21:19:54] littlebrownpen: @womenkind I’ve wondered about People and their counterparts for quite awhile. #editorchat

[21:19:59] jimmcbee: @Dark_Faust fascinating. I’ve been wondering about that lately, but I’m out of that loop. #editorchat

[21:20:01] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool 1) tell the truth 2) tell it consistently #editorchat

[21:20:07] anndouglas: @littlebrownpen So well put! We’ve had it up to hear with the double-speak. We want fact-saturated journalism. #editorchat

[21:20:16] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: So figuring out how to use smart phones in an interactive way is an important part of the future. #editorchat

[21:20:14] enki09: @JanSimpson #editorchat writers do it for the exposure…websites keep the advertising money… I write on blogcritics

[21:20:25] marciamarcia: @edwardboches I think in terms of reader *learning* then work backwards to look at what of that #lrn they’ll pay for. #editorchat

[21:20:30] shirleybrady: @womenkind Hi Kristi! That’s why Time Inc. experimenting with mags on demand: https://www.timecmg.com/mine #editorchat

[21:20:36] knitnrun: @womenkind @kristoforlawson I think some will always be willing to pay for others to sift through the noise for them. #editorchat Lazy-easy

[21:20:47] JOHNABYRNE: @MaryKnudson That’s the role of an editor. #editorchat

[21:20:47] MightyCasey: @anndouglas Fact-saturated journalism – now THAT’S an offer! #editorchat

[21:20:52] edwardboches: @littlebrownpen #editorchat flight to quality from those who get it yes, maybe not the masses who seek news that reinforces their opinion

[21:20:54] LydiaBreakfast: Getting news on a smartphone is going to require a whole other style of reporting and writing #editorchat

[21:20:55] jenandtheart: @PDXsays It’s not a generational thing. There are 50 y.o.s who ‘get it,’ but what’s working about translating paper into online? #editorchat

[21:20:56] milehighfool: @dmac1 Breaking news is a loser’s game now, isn’t it? In tech, especially. (My beat as well.) #editorchat

[21:21:01] Dark_Faust: @kristoforlawson Very true. So print needs to be different. For my industry, that means longer deeper pieces – I hope. #editorchat

[21:21:08] secretsushi: Content cn now stand on it’s own as individual articles instead of a collective of work. How can segmenting content b leveraged? #editorchat

[21:21:11] mobienthusiast: Retweet @JOHNABYRNE: So figuring out how to use smart phones in an interactive way is an important part of the future. #editorchat #mobi

[21:21:09] PDXsays: @littlebrownpen I think you are right on the money there #editorchat

[21:21:10] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Getting news on a smartphone is going to require a whole other style of reporting and writing #editorchat

[21:21:30] PDXsays: @jenandtheart not a place for this debate…sry all #editorchat

[21:21:38] George_Williams: @mitchjoel #editorchat There are still some pieces completely missing from this discussion. Either that, or I haven’t seen them.

[21:21:46] AnotherBros: RT @edwardboches agree with John #editorchat, I was Creative Director for MPA for years, and also head an ad agency, print adv is over

[21:21:49] littlebrownpen: @edwardboches Very true. There is a lot of “confirming one’s own bias” #editorchat

[21:21:56] anndouglas: @milehighfool We now need a similar equity migration: for dollars to follow the migration of quality content. #editorchat

[21:21:56] BeckyDMBR: @dmac1 The point now, I believe, is not the “scoop.” It’s defining and explaining the news. #editorchat

[21:22:00] mitchjoel: I’d like to know people’s thoughts on aggregation and, as @jeffjarvis says, “do what you do best and link out to the rest” #editorchat.

[21:21:59] JOHNABYRNE: @dkemper They will thrive because publishers will have money to pay them. Google part is connecting customers with merchants. #editorchat

[21:22:02] milehighfool: @LydiaBreakfast Twitter reporting? Twitporting? #editorchat

[21:22:04] fixin2: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Getting news on a smartphone is going to require a whole other style of reporting and writing #editorchat // true that!

[21:22:05] MightyCasey: @JDEbberly that’s the problem I have – I just can’t deal on my B’berry if it’s more than a breaking-news one-line headline #editorchat

[21:22:11] eclisham: Check out @stevebuttry to see an org that has completely decoupled information from packaging, whether print, web, cell, etc. #editorchat.

[21:22:16] motownmutt: RT @littlebrownpen A “flight to quality” is in effect. People are sick of spin, and hungry for journalism. (via #editorchat)

[21:22:21] PDXsays: @George_Williams yes, I agree.. and I was here for most of it #editorchat

[21:22:24] Dark_Faust: @jimmcbee It’s hard for good journs to resist corp pull. Pay is better, so are benefits. But it’s not the same as being independ #editorchat

[21:22:30] jennipps: @milehighfool Or some would call it “tworting.” #editorchat

[21:22:37] womenkind: Mass is over. Print has to re-gauge its expectations and re-engage a smaller audience. Advertisers will pay for quality readers. #editorchat

[21:22:47] JOHNABYRNE: @jeffjarvis True but there are a lot of other ideas that we’d be better at. #editorchat

[21:22:48] edwardboches: #editorchat i know some very very good journalists from balt sun who left sun to go into health care or other writing opps

[21:22:48] JDEbberly: @MightyCasey I know what you mean, same with my iPhone. #editorchat

[21:22:57] RBLevin: @soultravelers3 Ditto. I know several. Pay for bloggers stinks, in general. Far from $1/word, often free if no traffic. #editorchat

[21:23:05] mobienthusiast: @LydiaBreakfast BW is already doing that with http://businessweek.mobi, so are some other newsmags and local papers #editorchat #mobi

[21:23:22] CRBJ: @LydiaBreakfast Lots of our readers get our daily news product via smartphone. We say we make blackberries buzz. #editorchat (lurking)

[21:23:44] edwardboches: #editorchat @womenkind gets it. rethink focus, rethink content, rethink adding value,

[21:23:46] jimmcbee: @Dark_Faust public interest journalism may become a hobby. Have had that thought in my mind for awhile. #editorchat

[21:23:49] fixin2: RT @jennipps: @milehighfool Or some would call it “tworting.” // or retworting. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:23:57] kristoforlawson: @pocobw – very true. Thats why papers need to do what their good at. In-depth journalism. They can’t be the latest news anymore. #editorchat

[21:24:10] womenkind: @motownmutt Yeah, we could have used some journalism during WMD spin. Woodward? Bernstein? #editorchat

[21:24:17] BarbaraHoward: RT: @motownmutt RT @littlebrownpen A “flight to quality” is in effect. People are sick of spin, and hungry for journalism. (via #editorchat)

[21:24:21] RBLevin: The old new thing. These chats are no diff than IRC circa 1988. #editorchat

[21:24:25] jennipps: RT @edwardboches #editorchat @womenkind gets it. rethink focus, rethink content, rethink adding value, #editorchat

[21:24:26] JOHNABYRNE: There will be many Born to the Web enterprises over the next few years that will teach the mainstream media a thing or two. #editorchat

[21:24:52] hriefs: @JOHNABYRNE In your estimation, what went wrong with the Chicago-focused edition of BW that had a short life? #editorchat

[21:24:55] tweditor: I look forward to the Dallas Morning News’ first tweet of the day. But not because it’s the DMN. I love it ‘cuz it’s snarky. #editorchat

[21:25:04] Dark_Faust: @jimmcbee I worry that the average person will have less avenues to truthful reporting. That politicans and big bus take over. #editorchat

[21:25:04] PDXsays: @RBLevin yes.. recall those.. ur correct, sir #editorchat

[21:25:14] MightyCasey: @kristoforlawson breaking news is best left to vid outlets – I look for more flavor from print. Plain burger vs. porterhouse #editorchat

[21:25:16] StevePR104: Question: if AP exists through subscription fees, those fees aren’t paid, what happens to AP? And what happens to coverage? #editorchat

[21:25:16] jennipps: @fixin2 “Retworting” is better. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:25:20] pontific8: I hope he’s right: RT @JOHNABYRNE I think hyper-local sites have a good future and that should mean more community journalism. #editorchat

[21:25:18] JOHNABYRNE: You already have a good group of them, showing us the way from the HuffPo to GigaOm to Drudge, TechCrunch, GreenBiz, Politico. #editorchat

[21:25:19] malouie: RT @JOHNABYRNE It’s a very different competitive world. #editorchat (agree, you’ve a great web/print balance at BusinessWeek)

[21:25:22] fixin2: How do we change the mindsets of those who don’t quite get where we’re headed? #editorchat

[21:25:26] jimmcbee: rt @JOHNABYRNE There will be many Born to the Web enterprises over the next few years that will teach the msm a thing or 2 #editorchat

[21:25:27] jenandtheart: @PDXsays I think this is exactly the place for this debate. This is unsolved b/c the editorial heirarchy is based on age #editorchat

[21:25:29] littlebrownpen: @RBLevin Agree. My first job out of college in 1999 was as a “community builder.” Goal? Increase page views and drive traffic. #editorchat

[21:25:32] winequester: @JOHNABYRNE It would be a step in the right direction for you to figure out that other media is available for editorials. #editorchat

[21:25:41] BeckyDMBR: @womenkind There were plenty of voices out there … just not MSM. #editorchat

[21:25:42] IPStrategist: @JOHNABYRNE Tried 2 cancel NYT home sub recently. Talked out of when given 1/2 price ($13/month) Me: someone has to pay 4 news. #editorchat

[21:25:43] aflyonthewall: RT @jennipps: RT@miltoncontact-most comprehensive tool for bldg community not technology itself but proactive key individuals #editorchat

[21:25:47] milehighfool: Killjoy warning. About six minutes left. Last question and then re-intros and a link if you’d like. #editorchat

[21:25:48] TMFZahrim: @RBLevin Except more public than IRC. No need to login to some server or channel; world is listening #editorchat

[21:25:50] MimiAndelman: I console myself knowing that “news” will never go out of business. Nor “talk,” but that’s another story. #editorchat

[21:25:53] dmac1: @milehighfool @BeckyDMBR Analysis more important than scoop, yes, but also giving reader incentive to seek out your analysis #editorchat

[21:25:53] secretsushi: @StevePR104 agreed. So differentiation is essential. Bloggers cant cover what an established news agency can… yet. #editorchat

[21:25:53] PDXsays: RT: @JOHNABYRNE Many Born to the Web enterprises over the next few years that will teach the mainstream media a thing or two. #editorchat

[21:26:06] JOHNABYRNE: @fixin2 I’m afraid you won’t have to. There time is limited. They’ll be gone before you know it. #editorchat

[21:26:08] AlbertMaruggi: @mitchjoel aggregation path leads us to Netvibes and iGoogle as newspapers, I can make 10 local education widgets a day #editorchat

[21:26:17] jenwakefield: @johnabyrne ask how many people are reading/participating on a smartphone…i am. while at an nba game. #editorchat

[21:26:20] winequester: @winequester Telling me to filter this thread out means I have to learn something on two apps that I don’t need with others. #editorchat

[21:26:24] jenandtheart: New solutions don’t come from the same people or the same questions. And in a failing media economy… #editorchat

[21:26:33] jimmcbee: @Dark_Faust that process has been taking place for awhile. Maybe industry’s convulsions will shake that up. #editorchat

[21:26:34] FromCarl: @JOHNABYRNE Born to the Web will always have a lot to offer. Converts can add insight, too. #editorchat

[21:26:42] LydiaBreakfast: Tweeps we’d like to remind you that this session is nearly over. Tweet rapidly to get your last thoughts in #editorchat

[21:26:55] Dark_Faust: @dmac1 Readers are bombarded online. No filter in place. Look for continuing advances in that area. #editorchat

[21:26:57] leanneclc: What consumers want is smart media – stop dumbing it down. If it’s smart, informative and probative we will pay #editorchat

[21:27:04] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Tweeps we’d like to remind you that this session is nearly over. Tweet rapidly to get your last thoughts in #editorchat

[21:27:04] MightyCasey: @PDXsays @JOHNABYRNE web enterprises have already completely changed news delivery – the trusted-source piece is their challenge #editorchat

[21:27:23] marciamarcia: New solutions don’t come from the same people or the same questions. And in a failing media economy… via @jenandtheart #editorchat

[21:27:28] AlbertMaruggi: I believe people will pay for content, however I subscribed to Foreign Affairs and Christian Science Monitor, so I’m strange #editorchat

[21:27:28] milehighfool: @dmac1 I think sccops are still massively important. Event-driven breaking news? That’s for the AP, Reuters, Bloomberg. #editorchat

[21:27:29] secretsushi: – @JOHNABYRNE creating community around content is an attractive factors. Fostering discussions. #editorchat

[21:27:40] KathrynHallPR: RT JOHNABYRNE There will b many Born 2 Web enterprises over the next few yrs that will teach the mainstream media a thing or 2. #editorchat

[21:27:44] konadad: RT @leanneclc: What consumers want is smart media – stop dumbing it down. If it’s smart, informative and probative we will pay #editorchat

[21:27:54] PatBitton: Sorry, forgot all about it – too involved in work! #editorchat

[21:27:58] Dark_Faust: @LydiaBreakfast Is that the next stage for Twitter? 140 char limit as well as a 10 sec time limit per tweet? πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:28:00] paradisekitten: @MightyCasey very apt food analogy- ha! #editorchat

[21:28:16] shirleybrady: @milehighfool Maybe John could answer any remaining Q’s as add-on to Web transcript? Online extra! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:28:16] littlebrownpen: RT @leanneclc What consumers want is smart media – stop dumbing it down. If it’s smart, informative and probative we will pay #editorchat

[21:28:19] GuaranteedGF: In one window I’m following serious discussion #editorchat, and then that link from the Onion comes in – what a disconnect!

[21:28:30] dmac1: @JOHNABYRNE What better proof of blogs coming of age than Obama’s press conferences, where Politico and others in the mix #editorchat

[21:28:30] RBLevin: @TMFZahrim True. Easier GUI. But no more social than 1988. Social media isn’t new. What’s new is everyone doing it. #editorchat

[21:28:36] JOHNABYRNE: One last thought, unless you have a few last questions. #editorchat

[21:28:37] StevePR104: @AlbertMaruggi but Al, who produces the content? Who checks it for accuracy and content? No answer, jes’ axin. #editorchat

[21:28:37] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool I have been sorely disappointed in the quality of breaking news from those sources of late. #editorchat

[21:28:39] MightyCasey: @littlebrownpen thanks – haven’t had dinner yet, have food on the brain! #editorchat

[21:28:43] karenauby: @dmac1 I wonder if there is also issues with “facts” in the rush to get a scoop. or maybe just the effect of overworked journos #editorchat

[21:28:43] MimiAndelman: The “Twitterview”? I draw the line. #editorchat

[21:28:51] fixin2: Thanks for letting me jump in the stream tonite, folks! Gotta run! #editorchat

[21:28:53] mobienthusiast: Thanks for the great #editorchat, headed for conference call – pls send me links to your mobile news sites for directory

[21:28:54] AlbertMaruggi: @jenwakefield what’s the score of the game? that’s citizen sports journalism #editorchat

[21:29:01] JOHNABYRNE: Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat

[21:29:06] LydiaBreakfast: Two minute warning tweeps. Re-introduce yourselves and let’s thank our guest. #editorchat

[21:29:12] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: One last thought, unless you have a few last questions. #editorchat

[21:29:23] RBLevin: @laflures How so? I type, others type, I read, others read, scrolling UI. Experience prettier, but functionally the same. #editorchat

[21:29:23] JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had access to so many tools to perform their jobs more creatively than now. #editorchat

[21:29:24] KathrynHallPR: RT @JOHNABYRNE U already have a gd gp of them, showing the way from HuffPo to GigaOm to Drudge, TechCrunch, GreenBiz, Politico. #editorchat

[21:29:25] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool Readers can get breaking new from Twitter. Follow-up? Verification? That should come from journalists. #editorchat

[21:29:31] LydiaBreakfast: @JOHNABYRNE I agree it is great to be a part of the change. #editorchat

[21:29:39] milehighfool: @shirleybrady Yes. The transcript will be live at editorchat.wordpress.com and we’d be happy to have Q & A there. #editorchat

[21:29:48] MightyCasey: @JOHNABYRNE that’s why BW.com is such a great destination for biz news – you’re embracing it rather than whining! #editorchat

[21:29:49] rauch22: RT @JOHNABYRNE Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat

[21:29:52] JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had the advantage of having their own printing presses to do their own thing. #editorchat

[21:29:53] jennipps: RT @JOHNABYRNE Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat

[21:30:00] DoreenatDMS: @JOHNABYRNE i joined here too late; but will read feed; glad you mentioned the word *journalism* #editorchat

[21:30:01] PDXsays: @jenandtheart ur behind the times a bit… welcome to Obama Country #editorchat

[21:30:04] AlbertMaruggi: @StevePR104 you are right, it is a labor intensive effort. A good editor saves a poor journalist’s butt every time #editorchat

[21:30:08] BeckyDMBR: @dmac1 Yeah, that was interesting, wasn’t it? Funny thing for me? Not so many female faces in the crowd. Was it just me? #editorchat

[21:30:12] JOHNABYRNE: We spent too much time whining about the changes out there and not enough time taking advantage of new opportunities. #editorchat

[21:30:15] TMFZahrim: Anders Bylund, Motley Fool and Ars Technica writer. Great chat tonight, thanks @JOHNABYRNE and gang #editorchat

[21:30:18] MimiAndelman: Good one. Optimistic. Thanks @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat

[21:30:19] JDEbberly: I’m JD Ebberly and I heartily thank you very much for all your insights, John Byrne. I am very grateful! #editorchat

[21:30:28] fixin2: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat // I totally agree!

[21:30:28] knitnrun: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had access to so many tools to perform their jobs more creatively than now. #editorchat

[21:30:38] dmac1: @Dark_Faust For filters, check out what Gabe Rivera is doing. If he builds a Techmeme for general news, I might not buy the NYT #editorchat

[21:30:41] JOHNABYRNE: You can become an entrepreneur. You can engage your readers as true partners. You can change the very nature of journalism. #editorchat

[21:30:43] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Good point. Often it’s put out there for free … but, yeah. There’s the opportunity. #editorchat

[21:30:48] KathrynHallPR: RT @JOHNABYRNE Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat [Go, John!]

[21:30:49] StevePR104: @JOHNABYRNE John, without the means to monetize, it relegates journalism to a passion/hobby. Not a reliable source of news. #editorchat

[21:30:54] chrisgrayson: @JOHNABYRNE – looks a lot like the music industry #editorchat

[21:31:00] katieratcliffe: I’m katie ratcliffe in Japan. also thanks for insights! #editorchat

[21:31:02] marciamarcia: Never before have [any of us] had access to so many tools to perform our jobs more creatively than now. PRT @johnabyrne #editorchat

[21:31:05] JOHNABYRNE: That’s all very exciting and challenging. Opportunity exists when things are growing or when they’re falling apart. #editorchat

[21:31:07] jenandtheart: @PDXsays I’m in Mexico. #editorchat

[21:31:08] jimware: RT @JOHNABYRNE Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat

[21:31:09] Dark_Faust: @JOHNABYRNE Actually, what every household will have in the near future is a print press to download RSSs and print w coffee. #editorchat

[21:31:10] eclisham: Elaine Clisham, Newspaper Next evangelist. Thanks for the great discussion! #editorchat.

[21:31:11] MightyCasey: wow – used Tweetchat for the first time tonite for #editorchat. Sorry I didn’t use it before!!

[21:31:19] rachelcw: hates getting home late on Wednesdays and missing #editorchat

[21:31:22] jennipps: Re-intro: Jen, fl writer in S Oklahoma, spec. in writing, creativity, freelancing, & plus-size issues. Writer @ TutorialBlog.org #editorchat

[21:31:22] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Agreed. Tough as it is out there, it may be a great time to be a freelancer. Good ideas sell. #editorchat

[21:31:28] secretsushi: Retweeting @JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had access to so many tools to perform their jobs more creatively than now #editorchat

[21:31:29] LDinSTL_Chimera: @johnabyrne How many major editors tweet like you do–interactively? #editorchat

[21:31:30] JDEbberly: Also like to express my thankful gratitude to @LydiaBreakfast and @milehighfool and everyone for this educational chat. #editorchat

[21:31:31] jimmcbee: Thx to @JOHNABYRNE for rollicking good convo from Jim McBee: http://smartnewsnc.com We have freelance content to sell. #editorchat

[21:31:37] secretsushi: Retweeting @JOHNABYRNE: Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat

[21:31:36] shirleybrady: @milehighfool Got it, thx, Tim: please email any add’l Q’s to John after this; great chat + ideas from all! #editorchat

[21:31:44] marciamarcia: Opportunity exists when things are growing or when they’re falling apart. via @johnabyrne #editorchat

[21:31:45] jeffkart: @JOHNABYRNE good conversation. thanks for starting (if you did) #editorchat

[21:31:50] CRBJ: @JOHNABYRNE That’s well said. I’m pinning those comments to our newsroom wall. #editorchat

[21:31:51] jennipps: @MightyCasey I love Tweetchat. πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:32:06] milehighfool: RT @JOHNABYRNE Opportunity exists when things are growing or when they’re falling apart. #editorchat

[21:32:04] Willowbottom: Thanks very much @Johnabyrne for the fantastic conversation. Very much enjoyed it. #editorchat

[21:32:09] littlebrownpen: @milehighfool We need to figure out a better system for connecting good writers and good editors, no? #editorchat

[21:32:10] seanmj: Sean Johnson, TA for magazine editing classes at BYU. Lots of good insights tonight to share with students. Thanks. #editorchat #editorchat

[21:32:16] kristoforlawson: one day we will wake up, check news online, watch tv for the same content, go buy a paper and wonder why. ohh thats today.. #editorchat

[21:32:18] leanneclc: Really great discussion and nice group to meet tonight. Thanks @johnabyrne and #editorchat

[21:32:24] littlebrownpen: RT @JOHNABYRNE Opportunity exists when things are growing or when they’re falling apart. #editorchat

[21:32:34] jennipps: @JOHNABYRNE Thank you for being here and holding a very interesting conversation. #editorchat

[21:32:43] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE Opportunity exists when things are growing or when they’re falling apart. #editorchat

[21:32:47] bob_bobala: Bob Bobala, former editor-in-chief of The Motley Fool and editorial director at Intuit. Thanks for the chat tonight. See ya soon #editorchat

[21:32:50] JOHNABYRNE: @littlebrownpen Yes! #editorchat

[21:32:52] kristoforlawson: @JOHNABYRNE – all it takes is people with a vision for how the industry must progress. #editorchat

[21:32:58] suntimessports: Thanks for the interesting discussion, #editorchat – Craig Newman at the Chicago Sun-Times (@suntimes) here. Look forward to next chat.

[21:33:04] milehighfool: So, tweeps, reminder: if you have additonal questions send them to me or @LydiaBreakfast. Thanks much. #editorchat

[21:33:08] PDXsays: I *love* you guys… thanks for being who you are #editorchat

[21:33:10] pattyhuntington: RT @JOHNABYRNE: You can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. How many Madoff pleads guilty stories can anyone read. #editorchat

[21:33:17] DoreenatDMS: via @JOHNABYRNE: Never..have journalists had advtge of having theirown printg presses 2 do theirownthing #editorchat (distributionchannel 2)

[21:33:21] JOHNABYRNE: Thanks everyone for joining tonight. I’m off to the gym. #editorchat

[21:33:24] a2editor: Re-intro: Laura Cowan, freelance editor and writer working in book publishing and automotive media. Nice to see you all! #editorchat

[21:33:31] edwardboches: let’s hope we figure it out. the world needs great journalists, great editors and great content #editorchat

[21:33:44] George_Williams: @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat Why not combine the authoritative content with solid local SEO and really help local businesses – get business. more

[21:33:53] kristoforlawson: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Opportunity exists when things are growing or when they’re falling apart. #editorchat

[21:33:58] milehighfool: @JOHNABYRNE Thanks very much, John. Great chat tonight. #editorchat

[21:34:00] LydiaBreakfast: @JOHNABYRNE Thanks so much John. #editorchat

[21:34:02] littlebrownpen: @JOHNABYRNE Well, perhaps there’s a business opportunity in there somewhere. Thanks for the great chat! #editorchat

[21:34:10] AlbertMaruggi: great conversation John, see you on blipFM :>) #editorchat

[21:34:10] lancegodard: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had the advantage of having their own printing presses to do their own thing. #editorchat

[21:34:14] pontific8: @JOHNABYRNE enjoyed your side of this chat. Were there any other sides? Seemed more like a monologue than an #editorchat – very few @s.

[21:34:27] knitnrun: RT @Dark_Faust Actually, what every household will have in the near future is a print press to download RSSs & print w coffee #editorchat

[21:34:30] BeckyDMBR: @JOHNABYRNE Thanks for the chat tonight! #editorchat

[21:34:37] seanmj: Thanks @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat

[21:34:42] jenandtheart: Jennifer Leslie. On a 2up 1976 motorcycle speeding through the universe to Argentina; a blogger. #editorchat

[21:34:48] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had the advantage of having their own printing presses to do their own thing #editorchat

[21:35:06] George_Williams: @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat And I don’t mean from only the newspaper site. @mitchjoel you can see where I’m headed with this.

[21:35:09] jenandtheart: @JOHNABYRNE Thanks for the sagely Yoda advice. #editorchat

[21:35:26] jennipps: Quite an interesting #editorchat tonight. Check my favorites & retweets for some of the highlights if you missed it.

[21:35:28] KathrynHallPR: RT @JOHNABYRNE That’s all very exciting and challenging. Opportunity exists when things are growing or when falling apart. #editorchat

[21:35:36] paradisekitten: ‘Neither fish nor fowl said the wise old owl could love you any more than I do’–editorchat, tweetchat and the {{{FUTURE}}} #editorchat

[21:35:40] StevePR104: @AlbertMaruggi and in the NWO, who will edit the bloggers/tweeters? Who will provide the perspective? That scares me. #editorchat

[21:35:43] BeckyDMBR: @milehighfool As always, thanks to you and @LydiaBreakfast! #editorchat

[21:35:44] ATLCheap: Re-intro: Jennifer Maciejewski, ATL-based writer & blogger. Experimenting w/ entreprenuerial journalism w/ CitiesOnTheCheap.com #editorchat

[21:35:57] journalistics: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat

[21:35:57] jenwakefield: @albertmaruggi 61 v 48 magic! 6 left in q3 #editorchat

[21:36:00] cArtPhotography: @JOHNABYRNE I enjoyed listening / reading you. Thanks. #editorchat

[21:36:10] konadad: @JOHNABRYNE Thanks, John. Wish more eds-in-chief were as accessible as you. #editorchat

[21:36:10] calvin_s: RT @JOHNABYRNE: You can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. How many Madoff pleads guilty stories can anyone read. #editorchat

[21:36:32] GinaLaGuardia: RT @edwardboches: let’s hope we figure it out. the world needs great journalists, great editors and great content #editorchat

[21:36:32] secretsushi: RT @JOHNABYRNE: You can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. How many Madoff pleads guilty stories can anyone read. #editorchat

[21:36:34] lolmarkwell: RT @kristoforlawson: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Opportunity exists when things are growing or when they’re falling apart. #editorchat

[21:36:36] ATLCheap: “entrepreneurial” even, sheesh. #editorchat

[21:36:36] shirleybrady: @pontific8 This went fast! Perhaps John can respond to individual points in the follow-up transcript for the #editorchat blog?

[21:36:40] kristoforlawson: thanks for the chat everyone!! Love to see how journalism needs to change, now we just need to be the change. #editorchat

[21:36:41] JDEbberly: RT @konadad: @JOHNABRYNE Thanks, John. Wish more eds-in-chief were as accessible as you. #editorchat

[21:36:48] LydiaBreakfast: Tweeps, if you want to send questions to John send to me or @milehighfool #editorchat

[21:36:48] milehighfool: Thanks for joining. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, co-founder of this weekly chat with @LydiaBreakfast. #editorchat

[21:36:52] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Despite all the turmoil and pain, this is an incredibly exhilarating time in journalism. #editorchat

[21:37:26] secretsushi: @JOHNABYRNE commodities journalism. Thats a great term to remember. As w/ any biz… differentiation s key. #editorchat

[21:37:26] LydiaBreakfast: Transcript of the chat will be available tomorrow at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:37:32] GinaLaGuardia: @JOHNABYRNE Amazing commentary tonight. Thank you very much! #editorchat

[21:37:33] AYoungOne: @sonnygill great. was able to follow @johnbyrne and get some great info re: jour. biz. #editorchat

[21:37:40] ThomScott: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had the advantage of having their own printing presses to do their own thing. #editorchat

[21:37:43] Dark_Faust: It’s interesting to parallel the collapse/transition of journs with a similar process taking place at universities. #editorchat

[21:37:57] JDEbberly: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Transcript of the chat will be available tomorrow at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:38:02] littlebrownpen: Night everyone. Nichole Robertson, freelance writer, Copy Director #editorchat

[21:38:20] LydiaBreakfast: Thanls for coming everyone Lydia Dishman, Freelance journalist co-founder of #editorchat #editorchat

[21:38:34] shirleybrady: @milehighfool @lydiabreakfast & everyone on #editorchat (incl. my BW tweeps who popped by) – really enjoyed, to be continued! Thank you. πŸ™‚

[21:38:50] Dark_Faust: Not sure that the online phenomena will give back as much as it takes. But the genie is out of the bottle, so a moot point. #editorchat

[21:39:08] AlbertMaruggi: @jenwakefield Ok and who are the Magic playing? just being an editor here how appropriate :>) #editorchat

[21:39:13] JDEbberly: May be able to read some of the transcript here http://twemes.com/editorchat #editorchat

[21:39:16] SCM64: Is just watching, new to this – need a study guide! #editorchat

[21:39:58] DoreenatDMS: RT @JDEbberly: May be able to read some of the transcript here http://twemes.com/editorchat #editorchat

[21:40:12] Dark_Faust: @MaryKnudson Wow. Thats a good question. Since I’m not in the newspaper bus, I really don’t know. #editorchat

[21:40:18] anndouglas: @LydiaBreakfast Thanks very much, Lydia & Tim. Another terrific event! Great that John could join us. #editorchat

[21:40:28] digiphile: @milehighfool Thanks to you and @JohnABryne for the live Q&A tonight on #digitaljournalism |https://editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:40:45] MaryKnudson: MaryKnudson@Dark_Faust OK for news operations 2 b run by non profit orgs but not OK for nwspaprs 2 become NP for ethics reasns? #editorchat

[21:41:20] secretsushi: Retweeting @LydiaBreakfast: Transcript of the chat will be available tomorrow at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:41:27] sbasista: @JOHNABYRNE I wasn’t part of #editorchat, but i thought your insight was so interesting

[21:42:11] LydiaBreakfast: If you want to continue the discussion head over to the blog at editorchat.wordpress.com ask a question, comment, keep talking. #editorchat

[21:42:29] PDXsays: @littlebrownpen glad to have found you to follow #editorchat

[21:42:57] PDXsays: @LydiaBreakfast Glad to have found you to follow #editorchat

[21:42:58] paulTbanks: hey everybody, i have a question: what’s this #editorchat thing? any info? thanks!

[21:43:01] hotspringer: RT @LydiaBreakfast: Transcript of tonight’s chat will be available tomorrow at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat

[21:43:04] kishizuka: Perusing #editorchat.

[21:43:33] seanmj: RT @JOHNABYRNE Never before have journalists had access to so many tools to perform their jobs more creatively than now. #editorchat

[21:43:38] VMaryAbraham: @marciamarcia So then, where do the new solutions come from? Is it just serendipity? Or is there a method we can follow? #editorchat

[21:43:38] LydiaBreakfast: @PDXsays Thanks! Glad you joined us πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:43:53] LydiaBreakfast: @paulTbanks editorchat.wordpress.com for info #editorchat

[21:44:22] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE Never before have journalists had access to so many tools to perform their jobs more creatively than now. #editorchat

[21:44:50] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: newspapers and magazines #editorchat… change will happen, necessarily & drastically, w/an eye to preservation & heritage..

[21:45:17] VMaryAbraham: @JOHNABYRNE But it takes an unusual person to see opportunity in the midst of turmoil. #editorchat

[21:46:02] dkemper: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had access to so many tools to perform their jobs more creatively than now. #editorchat

[21:46:51] JDEbberly: @JOHNABYRNE But it takes an unusual person to see opportunity in the midst of turmoil. #editorchat

[21:46:58] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content…. #editorchat… I disagree, they will pay to support an institution…

[21:47:08] jenwakefield: @lydiabreakfast awesome job on #editorchat

[21:47:18] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: The upshot: Nothing less than radical transformation is necessary to succeed in the future. #editorchat… absolutely!

[21:47:45] TMFZahrim: #editorchat Summary of the users who submitted the last 500 posts tonight, FWIW: http://dintur.net/editorchat.html

[21:48:02] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE: The upshot: Nothing less than radical transformation is necessary to succeed in the future. #editorchat

[21:48:12] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: So they cling to the hope that print advertising will come back. #editorchat… print is not lost, I believe in preservation
[21:48:33] jasonaverbook: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Ultimately, I think local newspapers can only largely survive if they become local Googles. #editorchat

[21:48:55] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: He maintains that within three years, there will be a media boom. #editorchat… there is a current & continual ‘media boom’

[21:50:57] VMaryAbraham: @amandachapel If so, let’s hope there are lots of drunks and fools to lead us out of the economic quagmire. #editorchat

[21:51:34] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Right now, though, it’s hard to imagine us having a media boom… #editorchat there is a way for all modes to exist toge …

[21:51:38] BetsyHubbard: Great discussion on #editorchat tonight . Featured guest @JOHNABYRNE , ed of BusinessWeek.com (hence all my RTs) @OSUKips

[21:53:07] JDEbberly: RT @JOHNABYRNE print’ll die in near future, we wont have paper. We’ll have a thin, flexible LCD, wireless, and can write on it. #editorchat

[21:54:31] monicagagnier: What’s great about @johnbyrne‘s tweets is they’re so honest. Did you catch his #editorchat? Many managers aren’t being authentic on Twitter

[21:55:04] JDEbberly: This has been Editorchat on 3.25.09 with @JohnAByrne as guest. It was one of the best Editorchats ever! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:55:28] paulTbanks: @LydiaBreakfast thanks. intriguing discussion. #editorchat

[21:55:54] VMaryAbraham: @amandachapel Nope, it was garden-variety greedy humans who thought they were masters of the universe who led us into this mess.#editorchat

[21:57:13] wingspouse: Got in late. I write on topics for executive wives and other women’s topics. #editorchat

[21:57:44] fredneil2: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Never before have journalists had access to so many tools to perform their jobs more creatively than now. #editorchat

[21:58:16] jtlongandco: @JDEbberly RT This has been Editorchat on 3.25.09 with @JohnAByrne as guest. It was one of the best Editorchats ever! πŸ™‚ #editorchat

[21:59:43] George_Williams: #editorchat How fast do you think businesses would run to advertise in the newspaper if it could produce measurable results for them? Zoom!

[22:08:33] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: You can become an entrepreneur. You can engage your readers as true partners. … . #editorchat… can & WILL

[22:09:37] lyricessence: RT @JOHNABYRNE: 3) Subscribers will generally not pay for content unless it’s original, unique value-added. #editorchat

[22:10:46] lyricessence: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Problem is, most people in media cling to those three absolutes as if they are white lies and don’t change. #editorchat

[22:10:50] lyricessence: RT @JOHNABYRNE: So they cling to the hope that print advertising will come back. #editorchat

[22:12:26] lisasepiphany: RT @JOHNABYRNE: You can’t expect to be paid for commoditized journalism. #editorchat indeed, you need to bring passion & news, meaning ‘new’

[22:13:04] lyricessence: RT @JOHNABYRNE: Transformation is really hard and painful. That’s why a lot of players aren’t going to make it. #editorchat

[22:14:24] shotgunconcepts: synopsis of my thoughts for #editorchat http://tinyurl.com/d9tbwo @JOHNABYRNE

[22:17:13] lyricessence: @amandachapel this came from @JOHNABYRNE #editorchat

[22:23:38] Gents: @JOHNABYRNE Is there some way to string these responses together? Lost of good stuff here I’d like to read in depth. #editorchat

[22:27:04] lisasepiphany: RT@amandachapel:@lisasepiphany “@JOHNABYRNE You can become an entrepreneur #editorchat” U can & WILL be poor-what is it that YOU’re selling?

[22:38:14] dodgemedlin: @gents Two options: search.twitter.com, search for #editorchat. Or (probably better) go to http://tweetchat.com/room/editorchat

[22:41:12] JDEbberly: RT @dodgemedlin: @gents Two options: search.twitter.com, search for #editorchat. Or (probably better) go to http://tweetchat.com/room/ed

[22:42:09] RUSEthemagazine: Enjoying the chat in #editorchat … good stuff

[22:42:18] JDEbberly: Regarding my last transmission, the room to go to is http://tweetchat.com/room/editorchat #editorchat

[22:42:21] mitchjoel: Do you think journalists have what it takes to make the digital transition? Add your thoughts here: http://is.gd/oZTJ (#editorchat)

[22:42:38] chuckdensinger: Kudos to BW’s @JOHNABYRNE for his #editorchat forums. Brilliant use of Twitter.

[22:46:08] MelyMello: Yes please! RT@edwardboches: let’s hope we figure it out. the world needs great journalists, great editors and great content #editorchat

[22:46:46] evelynso: RT @mitchjoel: Do u think journalists have what it takes to make the digital transition? Add thoughts here: http://is.gd/oZTJ (#editorchat)

[22:55:37] maragulens: RT @mitchjoel Do… journalists have what it takes to make the digital transition? … http://is.gd/oZTJ (#editorchat)

#editorchat

Written by LydiaBreakfast

March 27, 2009 at 2:52 am

John A. Byrne guest moderates #editorchat 3-25

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As you know, John Byrne is the editor-in-chief of BusinessWeek.com and a digital journalism advocate.Β  As such, he’s amassed quite a following on Twitter and has been instrumental in the success of BusinessWeek’s reader engagement.Β  We are thrilled to be able to draw on his expertise with aggregating user contentΒ for thisΒ edition ofΒ #editorchat.Β 

Some of the questions that may be discussed tonight with him at the helm include:

What does the process of aggregating user content mean for writers and editors?
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You often tweet about user-generated story ideas. How important are blogs and user comments in generating topics?
Should editors rely on social media to provide a gauge to determine the popularity of a story?
There was some talk on Twitter yesterday about an MSNBC story http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29796962/ originating from a blog post, yet the journalist never linked back or sourced that original post.Β  How closely are editors monitoring writers’ sources for this type of story?
What due diligence steps should writers and editors take when turning to readers and the broader Web community for content?

Does community-driven news and narrative mean the end of the static story? And if so, is that a problem of opportunity for publishers?

Will community content require more or less staff? Will publishers need more writers? Will newsrooms need more reporters? Will any of them want more freelancers?

What has been the pay-off of using social media?
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Does it inform the processes of journalism, traffic, buzz, even customer service?

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What media brands do you think get it (are you learning from)?
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Any mistakes you’ve made or lessons you have learned along the way?

We may not have time to hit all of these questions, but we sure hope you’ll join us for what is sure to be a lively discussion.Β  As always, Tim and I will be on hand to keep things flowing smoothly.Β  If you have any suggestions or questions, send them to us here.

What we discussed on editorchat 2/11

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milehighfool ‘Night all. Thanks for tuning in. #editorchat -10:49 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Thank you very much – good night! #editorchat -10:49 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool Tim Beyers, Motley Fool contributor: http://twurl.nl/borgmv Go to editorchat.wordpress.com to keep the conversation going. #editorchat -10:48 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Once again tweeple, this is Lydia Dishman freelance features writer and editor, been in biz for myself for a decade πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:48 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @velvet_trope you can check the trending # topics under search #editorchat -10:47 PM Feb 11th, 2009

velvet_trope Pardon my stupidity, but how do people find out about hashtag discussions like #editorchat AHEAD of time rather than by stream accident? -10:46 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Time may change so stay tuned… #editorchat -10:45 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Editors/writers/authors check out editorchat.wordpress.com for a transcript and to add thoughts/comments/ questions. #editorchat -10:44 PM Feb 11th, 2009

karonwarren @milehighfool When you don’t compete with Lost! #editorchat -10:44 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer Goodnight, Johnboy. #editorchat -10:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @MrsWrite Thanks Janene. Hope to see you next week. #editorchat -10:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @kathleenotmm Our apologies. If you’ve time, please check out the blog and let us know what times work best for you. #editorchat -10:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Deltavogue @LydiaBreakfast I most definitely will… πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:42 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MrsWrite Great chatting with everyone #editorchat -10:42 PM Feb 11th, 2009

kathleenotmm sorry I missed it…. next week for sure! #editorchat -10:42 PM Feb 11th, 2009

joanna_haugen @MeaganFrancis Agree completely. That’s where I struggle with the “how can I do this for a living?” battle. #editorchat -10:42 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @milehighfool πŸ™‚ I’m in! #editorchat -10:41 PM Feb 11th, 2009

tweethouston rt: Molly from Houston. Thought I’d observe part of the #editorchat discussion, but looks like you’re wrappin.. http://tinyurl.com/ah58ko -10:40 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @todaysmama But great bloggers are writer with IP rights and those rights have a value. How’s that for teeing off next week? #editorchat -10:40 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Likewise if you have discussion topics, drop a comment in the blog. #editorchat -10:39 PM Feb 11th, 2009

kenwheaton @willowbottom the bulk is ephemeral junk … But that’s always been the case with bulk of books, articles. #editorchat -10:39 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @jkwill10 Thank you, sir. We appreciate you participating. #editorchat -10:39 PM Feb 11th, 2009

goodiesformom @LydiaBreakfast Great, I’ll definitely look for it. Thanks #editorchat -10:39 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Remember if you want to continue the discussion, drop a comment in the box on the blog #editorchat -10:39 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool Thanks much, all. Please see the blog for details but we’ll keep timing flexible — we’ve all got deadlines πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:39 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jkwill10 nice work with the chat #editorchat -10:38 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Folks, if you want the transcript I will post it in the AM on editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat -10:38 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps See you all next week — and on Twitter in the meantime. πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:37 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @hotspringer check the blog for the complete deal. #editorchat -10:37 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @GoodSports Hope you’ll join in next week. #editorchat -10:37 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @milehighfool that’s where great bloggers come into play. I think bloggers make content a totally different game #editorchat -10:37 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer Great job @LydiaBreakfast and @milehighfool. Looking forward to the recap. #editorchat -10:37 PM Feb 11th, 2009

joanna_haugen JoAnna Haugen, professional copywriter and globe-trotting freelance writer. Website to debut soon. #editorchat -10:36 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Single_Shot Thanks again for the chance to join in. All this talk about writing made me realize I’ve got a deadline! See you folks later! #editorchat -10:36 PM Feb 11th, 2009

karonwarren @LydiaBreakfast Sounds good. Thanks for setting up the chat! #editorchat -10:36 PM Feb 11th, 2009

GoodSports Missed #editorchat — Maybe next time -10:36 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @milehighfool online we just get a lot of good content submitted to us. I do have to say we always pay in our print pubs though #editorchat -10:36 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly Nice conversation everyone, Thanks a lot, but need to get back to work here. Have an excellent evening!! #editorchat -10:35 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @MeaganFrancis thanks for stopping by! #editorchat -10:35 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Let’s all talk next week about payment – ‘K folks? #editorchat -10:35 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MeaganFrancis website in my profile–nice to meet you all #editorchat -10:35 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps This was a great chat, guys. TOo bad I missed it last week. #editorchat -10:35 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MeaganFrancis Meagan Francis–write about parenting, natural health/wellness, travel for national mags and have a couple parenting books #editorchat -10:35 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mollyblock Molly from Houston. Thought I’d observe part of the #editorchat discussion, but looks like you’re wrapping up. Catch next wk’s ~ #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @netta50 Great having you here. Thanks for dropping by. #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly Thanks everyone! I’m J. D. Ebberly and I write on blogging and social media issues http://sn.im/bq8i8 #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @joanna_haugen agreed – it’s getting harder to gauge what to pay when in 1st place. Some huge blogs pay $15 for a fab guest post #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer Rebecca McCormick-Hot Springs, Ark. Freelance travel and feature writer w/ buz journo background. http://tinyurl.com/RebMcCor #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

goodiesformom Lois Whittaker, Central NJ, Goodies for Mom http://www.goodiesformom.com and New Jersey Moms Blog. I joined a little late. #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Single_Shot Thanks for a great edchat. Diane Mapes, freelance journalist (national news sites, etc) & humor columnist for the Seattle P-I. #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Sascha_Zuger Nice chatting with you all, night. #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

karonwarren I’m Karon Warren, a freelance writer & editor writing on almost every subject available. Also copy edit. http://www.karonwarren.com #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @Deltavogue come next week and join in again πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @todaysmama I can’t agree. It’s never weird to pay for content. @netta50 is right — readers expect good content. #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @netta50 thank you netta, you goddess you πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MeaganFrancis @joanna_haugen yeah, traffic is nice, but it doesn’t pay my bills (and wouldn’t even if I ran ads). #editorchat -10:34 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Sascha_Zuger Sascha Zuger– write for couple dozen national mags, papers, novels and HarperStudio memoir come 2010. #editorchat -10:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jkwill10 Jeff Williams, leaving Gannett paper to start Knight funded nonprofit news org #editorchat -10:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 http://wordwebbing.com/ Freelance writer, editor, and fledgling goddess. Thanks, Tim and Lydia. Great discussion. #editorchat -10:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Deltavogue @hotspringer @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! I am new to the chat ..didn’t realize the format.. #editorchat -10:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama ah! time to go! thanks for chatting – Rachael @ TodaysMama.com #editorchat -10:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @motownmutt we are going to break early tonight and leave some good Qs for next week #editorchat -10:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

joanna_haugen @todaysmama Unfortunately, though, I think that’s part of the reason content suffers. It’s a hard balance. #editorchat -10:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps Jen Nipps, south-central OK (actually in Ada), specialize in creativity, fashion, plus-size issues http://www.jenifernipps.com #editorchat -10:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

clarknwark Michael Clark, COO Mitchell Communications Group http://www.mitchcommgroup.com, PR firm in NW Arkansas #editorchat -10:32 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @kenwheaton thanks Ken – hope you heal speedily #editorchat -10:32 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 RT @LydiaBreakfast: next week, we should tackle the question of what is a fair price to pay freelancers #editorchat -10:32 PM Feb 11th, 2009

delwilliams I am Delores Williams and I write on business issues and politics http://www.deloreswilliams.info #editorchat -10:32 PM Feb 11th, 2009

kenwheaton kenwheaton #Editorchat Thanks guys! Ken Wheaton, A.M.E Ad Age (http://AdAge.com) and first novel droppin Jan ’10 http://kenwheatonwrites.com -10:32 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @jennipps Please do. Thanks much, Jenn. #editorchat -10:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

kenwheaton #Editorchat Thanks guys! Ken Wheaton, A.M.E Ad Age (http:///AdAge.com) and first novel droppin Jan ’10 http://kenwheatonwrites.com -10:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

motownmutt @paulswansen http://is.gd/jfdV #editorchat (I think there’s only 1/2 hour left) -10:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @joanna_haugen it is almost weird for us to pay for content these days. Most people share content and we all share traffic #editorchat -10:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps RT @LydiaBreakfast next week, we should tackle the question of what is a fair price to pay freelancers #editorchat -10:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @jennipps great – thanks! #editorchat -10:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Sascha_Zuger When editors ask writers to jump through too many hoops, pre-contract, they can end up losing the best writers. #editorchat -10:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

joanna_haugen joanna_haugen @LydiaBreakfast I think the local pubs is also where the collaboration btwn writers & editors comes to life. #editorchat -10:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Introduce away folks… #editorchat -10:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @LydiaBreakfast That would be a great idea. πŸ™‚ I’ll promo it in the Absolute Write Water Cooler freelance board if you want. #editorchat -10:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MrsWrite @LydiaBreakfast ooh, good one. #editorchat -10:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool RT @LydiaBreakfast next week, we should tackle the question of what is a fair price to pay freelancers #editorchat -10:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

karonwarren @delwilliams Agreed! I can’t tell you how many times I’ve edited articles by supposed writers that turn out to be interns. #editorchat -10:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @LydiaBreakfast My town (Ada, OK) even has a local mag. It’s proving hard to break into, though, written by the paper staff. #editorchat -10:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Folks it is time to wrap. Take a minute to re-introduce yourself and your links #editorchat -10:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Single_Shot @milehighfool God bless ya, big guy. ; ) I was rather insulted to see the ad – esp. considering it showed up on writer’s forum. #editorchat -10:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @BILL_ROMANOS Hi Bill. Thanks for stopping by. #editorchat -10:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 @Single_Shot You get what you pay for. #editorchat -10:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast next week, we should tackle the question of what is a fair price to pay freelancers #editorchat -10:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BILL_ROMANOS Listening in on #editorchat discussion. -10:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

joanna_haugen @single_shot I think the no pay thing is getting common, esp with online pubs #editorchat -10:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @MeaganFrancis agreed- I also think they do super local best. little billy down the street just got his eagle scout etc. etc. #editorchat -10:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Our local magazine gvillemag.com is awesome in print. #editorchat -10:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MeaganFrancis @Single_Shot they’ll get what they (don’t) pay for, but I can give them a pass moreso than “community” pubs owned by big corps #editorchat -10:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer @single_shot Low-no-pay the norm for online ads. Most $$ freelance jobs are not posted to be found easily. #editorchat -10:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

karonwarren @joanna_haugen At some papers maybe. If it’s like my local paper, that’s not the case. #editorchat -10:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @milehighfool It should certainly be justifiable. Hey! Self-defense? Protecting ourselves & our jobs? lol #editorchat -10:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

delwilliams I think that too many editors are sacrificing quality by hiring nonwriters, and “piece writers (20 articles for $20). #editorchat -10:28 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @joanna_haugen I’ve written for almost all my local pubs (mag, journals, paper) and it helps as a freelancer to meet the peeps #editorchat -10:28 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama good print is something you savor for a good quiet moment – not a stripped down newspaper stock mailer #editorchat -10:28 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @Single_Shot Are we legally allowed to shoot those people? Seriously. I’m asking. #editorchat -10:28 PM Feb 11th, 2009

karonwarren @connectingwomen @todaysmama That is absolutely true where I live. The local paper here is a joke. #editorchat -10:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @connectingwomen agreed! and so few local pubs really invest in brand and quality. if i pick up print – i pick up quality print. #editorchat -10:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Single_Shot @MeaganFrancis I saw an ad recently from a community paper looking 4 people who want to “write for writing’s sake”. No $$$$. Oy. #editorchat -10:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast I think Newsweek is spot on and that the NYT is the model. Good analysis, thoughtful stories, excellent sources. #editorchat -10:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

joanna_haugen I think there are more opportunities for writers with local pubs anyway. #editorchat -10:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

connectingwomen @todaysmama I have to agree with you. Many local pubs are traditional, instead of growing with the town. #editorchat -10:26 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama a big prob I see is that local peeps don’t leverage their strengths and band together so they keep creating sub par pubs #editorchat -10:26 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 @milehighfool People want accurate information fast. I would sacrifice speed for accuracy. Bad content=bad info=bye-bye- reader.#editorchat -10:26 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @palafo Thanks for dropping by, Patrick. Great links on the media biz. #editorchat -10:26 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Any last thoughts about providing quality content and working together? #editorchat -10:26 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @milehighfool a local pub can do live events, promotions and community bldg as well as online but they rarely do it well #editorchat -10:25 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MeaganFrancis @todaysmama I wonder if small papers have been able to be more adaptable–already used to working w/small budget & staff? #editorchat -10:25 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool OK, folks, at 10:30 pm we’ll start intros. Tell us who you are and, if you’d like, post a link. 5 minutes from now. #editorchat -10:25 PM Feb 11th, 2009

connectingwomen @milehighfool @jennipps Thanks. #editorchat -10:25 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @milehighfool I used to think targeted pubs at papers could save the day, but sadly a lot of local pubs don’t build community #editorchat -10:25 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @palafo thanks for checking in though #editorchat -10:25 PM Feb 11th, 2009

clarknwark Listening in on editorchat, COO of Public Relations Firm @mitchcommgroup #editorchat -10:25 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast to quality content #editorchat -10:24 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Single_Shot @todaysmama As someone who’s worked in/around newspapers for 30 years (in one incarnation or another), it’s very sad to see this #editorchat -10:24 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast The pendulum will swing, now everyone is scrambling to provide as much as they can for free, think there will be a return #editorchat -10:24 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @milehighfool I think it’s interesting that small community papers are being read more widely than even big local papers #editorchat -10:24 PM Feb 11th, 2009

palafo Eavesdropping on #editorchat and checking out its blog. Too tired for much chatting myself. http://bit.ly/5Girf -10:24 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @connectingwomen Many, but we’ve been talking about speed vs. accuracy and whether content really can be king. #editorchat -10:23 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @connectingwomen In part, what content is king, travel writing. #editorchat -10:23 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @Single_Shot So sad to hear all the papers going down! We’ve worked with targeted pubs dept.’s almost worked with PI #editorchat -10:23 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama @Single_Shot So sad to hear all the papers going down! We’ve worked with targetted pubs dept.’s almost worked with PI #editorchat -10:23 PM Feb 11th, 2009

connectingwomen what is the topic tonight? #editorchat -10:22 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @journalistics Connecting writers and editors to learn how we can help each other. #editorchat -10:22 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @journalistics check out our blog at editorchat.wordpress.com #editorchat -10:22 PM Feb 11th, 2009

connectingwomen Sorry, I am late. Can only stay for a few minutes tonight. #editorchat -10:22 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @todaysmama Agreed, but recently I wrote about an algorithm NBC is using to deliver hyperlocal news. How do we compete? #editorchat -10:22 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps for finding freelancing jobs online out first. It went live today. 2/2 #editorchat -10:21 PM Feb 11th, 2009

journalistics What is #editorchat all about? -10:21 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @netta50 They won’t. But if the breaking story is what matters most, then what content is king? The soundbite? #editorchat -10:21 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama todaysmama @milehighfool i get on a soapbox- targeted content to a targeted community is king. Even better to a local community #editorchat -10:21 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps Similarly, with a new gig (TutorialBlog) I recently started, of 5 ideas pitched as requested, they wanted five best sites (1/2) #editorchat -10:21 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool same for food/recipes #editorchat -10:20 PM Feb 11th, 2009

delwilliams @milehighfool I do think content is and will be king. #editorchat -10:20 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @Deltavogue Not easy, but good to start with your hometown or another place you are very familiar with @milehighfool #editorchat -10:20 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer @deltavogue Sorry, I don’t want to be electrocuted. Gotta stay on topic. #editorchat -10:20 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool Interestingly, biz writing is seeing something similar. Forget the big idea, how do readers save money *now*? #editorchat -10:20 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Sascha_Zuger @LydiaBreakfast Yep. Pitched that concept with success to a few places back when gas prices first flew, hehe. #editorchat -10:19 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 Without content, your readers don’t come back. Why should they? You lose your credbility.#editorchat -10:19 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Deltavogue How do you break into travel writing? #editorchat -10:19 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @netta50 Yep. TIME feature, I think. #editorchat -10:18 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer @LydiaBreakfast Specialists like @airfarewatchdog are doing great job filtering thru transition to find real travel deals. #editorchat -10:18 PM Feb 11th, 2009

karonwarren @LydiaBreakfast Budget-friendly and, for one of my main markets, within driving distance. #editorchat -10:18 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 RT @joanna_haugen: @todaysmama #editorchat The goal is print, the reality is online. And a lot of the print ends up online anyway. -10:18 PM Feb 11th, 2009

delwilliams @MrsWrite I saw you were on. #editorchat -10:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @delwilliams Glad you’re here. What;’s your take? Can content be king as Newsweek expects? #editorchat -10:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Sascha_Zuger @LydiaBreakfast I’ve also had mag eds change the focus from distant spots to close-to-home getaways people could make daytrips #editorchat -10:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @hotspringer airfares still very high though #editorchat -10:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

joanna_haugen @todaysmama #editorchat The goal is print, the reality is online. And a lot of the print ends up online anyway. -10:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @karonwarren yes I’ve noticed that and all my travel pieces are geared toward budget-friendly #editorchat -10:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer Good news is travel sector is matching lower demand with better discounts. Some previously out-of-range locales are now doable. #editorchat -10:16 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 I heard someone today ask if content is still King. #editorchat -10:16 PM Feb 11th, 2009

delwilliams @milehighfool I am a writer #editorchat -10:16 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @Bobbiec Night. Thanks for joining in! #editorchat -10:16 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @Bobbiec Night Bobbie, see you next week πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:16 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MrsWrite @Single_Shot oh dear. #editorchat -10:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

karonwarren @LydiaBreakfast I’m finding a lot of CVBs/Tourism folks have cut back or eliminated their press trips for the rest of the year. #editorchat -10:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec sorry all — fading fast, not that the convo is boring, just me — night! #editorchat -10:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Deltavogue @LydiaBreakfast Thanks! #editorchat -10:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Sascha_Zuger @LydiaBreakfast mags, mostly #editorchat -10:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @todaysmama Both, but online mostly. #editorchat -10:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Single_Shot @todaysmama I do both. But it looks like one of my main print pubs (the Seattle P-I) is about to close. Sniff. #editorchat -10:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @drizzled Thanks for your input. Good to see you. πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @JDEbberly Ciao JD thanks for coming πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Sascha_Zuger I’ve had eds come back and swap out a place they approved as part of a larger place for one with lower rates. #editorchat -10:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer @LydiaBreakfast Travel has probably been hit as hard as any other sector. Trend toward closer, more budget-friendly destinations #editorchat -10:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly @drizzled Enjoyed listening to you & learning! See you next week! #editorchat -10:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @todaysmama we’re all over the place #editorchat -10:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @drizzled Thanks for stopping by, sir. Great to see you here. #editorchat -10:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @todaysmama So far, mine is about half & half. #editorchat -10:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @drizzled Thank you! #editorchat -10:13 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Sascha_Zuger @LydiaBreakfast I’ve had some high end destinations/round ups killed #editorchat -10:13 PM Feb 11th, 2009

todaysmama hello all at #editorchat – do most work with online or print pubs? -10:13 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled Thanks everyone, bowing out for the evening. Great discussion! #editorchat -10:13 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool So the million-dollar Q: Do we all think Newsweek is crazy? Should they keep chasing the same reader b/c nothing changes? #editorchat -10:13 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Are there any travel writers – how has the downturn affected coverage? At all? #editorchat -10:12 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Single_Shot I write a column for a daily paper & health stuff for a nat’l news site. So, no new ways to catch readers. Maybe good writing?;) #editorchat -10:12 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool What I’m hearing that works: lists, series, how-to. Little has changed. What works offline works online. #editorchat -10:12 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer @kenwheaton Totally agree on separation for news side. Smaller one-owner lifestyle pubs, not so hardlined, it seems. #editorchat -10:11 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Deltavogue Just popping in to see what I can learn! Great convo! #editorchat -10:11 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled @milehighfool sometimes serial work, actually. generally i just have them flip ideas by me, & if it feels stale, i take a pass #editorchat -10:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MrsWrite @delwilliams Glad to see you here, my friend. #editorchat -10:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec @milehighfool I have also been showing writers stuff from successful newsletters (w/ high click-thru rates) what works #editorchat -10:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 RT @drizzled:don’t be boyfriend/girlfriend, speaking from exp. seriously, give and take crits well, writing is never personal #editorchat -10:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly @delwilliams Welcome to Editorchat, Del! #editorchat -10:09 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @delwilliams Thanks much. Are you writing or editing or both? #editorchat -10:09 PM Feb 11th, 2009

kenwheaton @hotspringer #editorchat We’ve never assigned based on what advertisers want. Church/State/Etc. -10:09 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @drizzled So like a series? #editorchat -10:08 PM Feb 11th, 2009

delwilliams Just wanted to drop by and say hello. Good conversation #editorchat -10:08 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MrsWrite @milehighfool I think it’s all about giving the topic a fresh twist. Nothing new under the sun πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:07 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @Single_Shot Glad you could make it! Are eds. asking you to try new things to catch readers? #editorchat -10:07 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly @kenwheaton You’re fine, Ken. #editorchat -10:07 PM Feb 11th, 2009

kenwheaton #editorchat though i work at a trade that doesnt use many freelancers and reporters have to know beats cold -10:07 PM Feb 11th, 2009

kenwheaton #editorchat If my tweets seem weirdly out of order it’s cuz my text from phone apparently went nuts. -10:06 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled @milehighfool I depend mostly on keeping writers producing topical content, and on making them all part of promotional efforts #editorchat -10:06 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @drizzled I tend to do that anyway. Er… the second one, not the first. πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:06 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @joanna_haugen Yeah, that’s crap. Seriously. When advertisers start dictating, it’s time to go. #editorchat -10:06 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled @jennipps don’t be boyfriend/girlfriend, haha. speaking from exp. seriously, give and take crits well, writing is never personal #editorchat -10:05 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec @milehighfool online communities is where it’s at these days #editorchat -10:05 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool Same Q for the writers. @MrsWrite — is it to be trendy per your point about packaging? #editorchat -10:05 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Single_Shot @milehighfool Hey folks! Popping in for a few … looks like another great discussion! #editorchat -10:05 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @joanna_haugen that crosses a line I am not comfortable with #editorchat -10:05 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps OK, not really “accident.” I knew the editor before I started writing for him. #editorchat -10:04 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool Makes me wonder what publishers are trying now. What are you doing to get more readers? #editorchat -10:04 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @louseeyb thanks for coming by! #editorchat -10:04 PM Feb 11th, 2009

joanna_haugen What I find hardest is when and editor and I agree on an article but the advertisers are ultimately the ones who drive content. #editorchat -10:04 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps Speaking of writers/editors working together, what tips do you have for developing such a relationship? (I have 1, by accident.) #editorchat -10:04 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly @louseeyb Thanks for joining the conversation! See you next week! πŸ™‚ #editorchat -10:03 PM Feb 11th, 2009

tweet_trends #editorchat: [twitter] http://tinyurl.com/atoprh -10:03 PM Feb 11th, 2009

InterfaxTMT @jennips i.e. the opposite of this relationship between a writer and his subs – http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/series/coren #editorchat -10:03 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @louseeyb Thanks for participating. #editorchat -10:03 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool We’re trending folks, keep it up! #editorchat -10:03 PM Feb 11th, 2009

louseeyb @LydiaBreakfast got to run, night! thanks #editorchat -10:02 PM Feb 11th, 2009

RealTimeTrends #editorchat – is now the #9 trend on twitter. Follow here: http://idek.net/2DG -10:02 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool But there’s also an ugly side: Because you know, there’s an awful temptation to be manipulative. Good for UVs, bad for readers. #editorchat -10:02 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MrsWrite @milehighfool Yes, but with clever packaging. How you package is key. #editorchat -10:02 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @kenwheaton Side note – how is your nose? #editorchat -10:01 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast Yes, it is. You can see the trends and know what the reader wants. #editorchat -10:01 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer If medium is ad-driven, writers and ed’s must collaborate to find balance between what ad-people and reader-people will pay for. #editorchat -10:01 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool so it should be easier to customize what your doing online to make the reader interested #editorchat -10:00 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @MrsWrite Service is the key, right? have to be easy to edit. #editorchat -10:00 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec @LydiaBreakfast ah,the biz model question. been working that one with our kid site too — trying lots of diff things #editorchat -10:00 PM Feb 11th, 2009

kenwheaton @milehighfool … I am an editor. Twitter good for some things but does not guide our pace #editorchat -10:00 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool On the Web, it’s easier to tell what works. The measurement tools are there. UVs, actions, etc. What if you’re in print? #editorchat -9:59 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MrsWrite @milehighfool Oh, quirky, quick items with a newsy (why now?) hook and a touch of service. #editorchat -9:59 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps If there’s a good writer/editor relationship, pitches go both ways and they seem to work better together to develop the content. #editorchat -9:59 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Anyone else: How can writers and editors work together to provide content that people will actually pay for? #editorchat -9:58 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer RT jennipps There has to be a good working relationship from the start. Writers can’t afford to see editors as adversaries. #editorchat -9:58 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled @Bobbiec have definitely gone with the gut on many occasions. Generally works out, but when it doesn’t, it really doesn’t. #editorchat -9:58 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled @LydiaBreakfast Good Q. Only prior experience is with subscription comics site, and that didn’t work out, so I’m not sure. #editorchat -9:57 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @LydiaBreakfast THere has to be a good working relationship from the start. Writers can’t afford to see editors as adversaries. #editorchat -9:57 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @MrsWrite Really interested in how you see this question, Janene. You’re working with national mags. What are eds. demanding? #editorchat -9:56 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec @drizzled it’s the press the button and hold breath! I know when my gut says “No” I’m asking for trouble #editorchat -9:56 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Next Q – How can writers and editors work together to provide content that people will actually pay for? #editorchat -9:55 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled @Bobbiec Before, if possible. Good point though, sometimes you go to press and hope it pans out without a reply from sources #editorchat -9:55 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly @MrsWrite Hi there, MrsWrite! Welcome to Editorchat! #editorchat -9:55 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @MrsWrite Hey! Thanks for joining in. #editorchat -9:55 PM Feb 11th, 2009

InterfaxTMT @milehighfool exactly. = drop in quality/drop in readers/revenue drop/ maybe more unemployed journos writing damn fine blogs #editorchat -9:54 PM Feb 11th, 2009

AaronSkwarcan @jesshatchigan even if I wasn’t in the #editorchat conversation, can I still say goodnight? -9:54 PM Feb 11th, 2009

MrsWrite @milehighfool Jumping in the conversation. Hi there:) #editorchat -9:54 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled re: multitasking @hotspringer i tdo photos, illustrations, photoshop, html/css. web writers are the copywriters & the print shop #editorchat -9:54 PM Feb 11th, 2009

louseeyb @jennipps with a staff of only 3 in editorial dept, we have to check everything #editorchat -9:54 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @janeco Thanks for stopping by. #editorchat -9:53 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 RT @jennipps: I think even if fact-checkers are used, writers should do their own, too. Otherwise it’d be easy to get lazy. #editorchat -9:53 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec @drizzled before or after it is published online? #editorchat -9:53 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jesshatchigan Thank you, everyone. Good night and good luck. Great chat. #editorchat -9:53 PM Feb 11th, 2009

janeco Gotta run, thanks for the exchange…see u next week #editorchat -9:53 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @mguerard ‘nite, and many thanks for joining. #editorchat -9:52 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @mguerard G’night, Marsha. Nice to see/meet you. πŸ™‚ #editorchat -9:52 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 Technology and the publishing biz changes on a daily basis.It’s up to the writer/editor to keep skill sets sharp.Job requirement.#editorchat -9:52 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @mguerard ‘Night Marsha. Thanks for joining in the conversation. #editorchat -9:52 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @LydiaBreakfast Agreed. I’d never think of turning something in that I hadn’t checked myself first. #editorchat -9:52 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool Fool has one group of financial editors and another group of copyeds. Sill, with our volume, I have to fact check. #editorchat -9:51 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard Gnight gang. Thank you for an interesting hour. #editorchat -9:51 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer Re: multitasking. Being able to provide hi-res photos sometimes help land assignment. Now, I also take video. #editorchat -9:51 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BenLaMothe @hotspringer I think it’s a good practice to require writers to give eds the source contact info for fact check. #editorchat -9:51 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @jennipps I think fact checking goes with multi-tasking, you better be darn good at it to stay relevant #editorchat -9:51 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled @milehighfool with my blog work, I’m always responsible for fact checking. Penalty for not checking source? Article dropped. #editorchat -9:51 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec @hotspringer wow, I thought we had completely lost fact-checking as a role. Rarely see them any more #editorchat -9:50 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @milehighfool I think even if fact-checkers are used, writers should do their own, too. Otherwise it’d be easy to get lazy. #editorchat -9:50 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool RT @LydiaBreakfast Related Q Is fact-checking up to the writer, or do you still use fact-checkers? #editorchat -9:49 PM Feb 11th, 2009

janeco @LydiaBreakfast I make sure writers turn in fact-checked stories; I do my own fact-checking, too #editorchat -9:49 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly RT @netta50: You have to multi-task in order to keep yourself marketable. #editorchat #editorchat -9:49 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec @jennipps me too! Am using “downtime” to do different stuff. #editorchat -9:49 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer For some editors, I’m required to submit source info with my story. Fact-checkrs take over from there. Other times, I do it. #editorchat -9:49 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @jesshatchigan Even with that, though, I’ve found some resources to help me learn how to take better pics. #editorchat -9:49 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @InterfaxTMT How so. As in more, more, more and quality be damned? #editorchat -9:48 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps RT @netta50 You have to multi-task in order to keep yourself marketable. #editorchat -9:48 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled RT @milehighfool:So, to eat, you really need a broader skillset as a writer — whether you’re an author or reporter. #editorchat Too true. -9:48 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @Bobbiec Then provided I can learn a couple other things I’m wanting to do anyway, I should be in good shape. (Always multi-task #editorchat -9:48 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jesshatchigan Technology is part of the answer. e.g., point and shoot cameras mean non-photogs can take print quality photos #editorchat -9:48 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 You have to multi-task in order to keep yourself marketable. #editorchat -9:48 PM Feb 11th, 2009

InterfaxTMT @milehighfool of course! Another result of increased pressure is higher-ups’ increasing hostility to editorial process #editorchat -9:48 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly RT @milehighfool: @LATimesNystrom Thanks much, Andrew. Hope you’ll join us again next week. #editorchat #editorchat -9:47 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BenLaMothe @KimBrame Any tips you might have on best practices. Am running 2nd virtual newsroom atm w/j-school students. #editorchat -9:47 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Related Q Is fact-checking up to the writer, or do you still use fact-checkers? #editorchat -9:47 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @LATimesNystrom Thanks much, Andrew. Hope you’ll join us again next week. #editorchat -9:47 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec Whoops wrong hash snuck into my tweetgrid — @jennipps — I think people will hire multi-taskers #editorchat -9:47 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 RT @milehighfool:So, to eat, you really need a broader skillset as a writer — whether you’re an author or reporter. #editorchat Absolutely. -9:46 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jkwill10 @milehighfool our beat reporters stopped complaining about broadening a long time ago #editorchat -9:46 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard @LATimesNystrom when your reporters produce video, are they responsible for their own editing? #editorchat -9:46 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LATimesNystrom @milehighfool Speaking of kids, and speed. I must sign off now, to partake of bathtime. Thanks for the invite. Good night, all. #editorchat -9:46 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled @milehighfool i think mine are less involved then yours. i like the challenge, though i admit i fear burnout sometimes #editorchat -9:45 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @Willowbottom Great seeing you here, Willowbottom. Thanks for stopping by. #editorchat -9:45 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @LATimesNystrom So, to eat, you really need a broader skillset as a writer — whether you’re an author or reporter. #editorchat -9:45 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jkwill10 later willowbottom #editorchat -9:44 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @InterfaxTMT But we’re worth it, right? πŸ™‚ #editorchat -9:44 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LATimesNystrom Web-only content goes beyond writen stories to blogs, more photos, video etc. More + more LAT reporters now do all of the above. #editorchat -9:44 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jkwill10 @milehighfool we’ve found more content=less depth — it is a frustrating cycle #editorchat -9:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @drizzled That’s *tough*. How do you do it? #editorchat -9:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @milehighfool First impulse is to say find a niche. But a lot of people are niched-out, so what next? I don’t know. #editorchat -9:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Willowbottom adorable little boys are home – I’m outta here. Nice chatting as always. #editorchat -9:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

janeco As far as long articles online go, I don’t hv the time or patience to read them and wind up priting them out #editorchat -9:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard The practical effect is a drop in quality. We lost 5 percent of our staff this week. You reach critical mass. #editorchat -9:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BenLaMothe Do any of you have experience with running a virtual newsroom? #editorchat -9:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly @BobSchaller I enjoyed your insights. Thanks for participating. #editorchat -9:43 PM Feb 11th, 2009

InterfaxTMT Finding the pressure of editing makes staying informed and doing things like following #editorchat v.difficult -9:42 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool And what can we as writers do to help? Seems we’re all squeezed. #editorchat -9:42 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @drizzled that is an enormous amount of work, and that is what makes me feel that we are becoming knowlege econ piece workers #editorchat -9:42 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool So if editors are under pressure for more content and staffs are shrinking, what’s the practical effect? #editorchat -9:42 PM Feb 11th, 2009

janeco this discussion brings us back to where we started re speed and the need for updates for online #editorchat -9:42 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @BobSchaller Headed out? Good to see you. Good insight into book crashes. πŸ™‚ #editorchat -9:42 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @BobSchaller Thanks to you Bob πŸ™‚ #editorchat -9:41 PM Feb 11th, 2009

drizzled Sorry for late entrance. @milehighfool @jkwill I’m in the same boat. 4 articles a day, minimum. Trying to get to 6 #editorchat -9:41 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Thanks for the great chat, everyone. Neat topics. Good job hosting LY and Mile. #editorchat -9:41 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Willowbottom @LATimesNystrom make that “iterative.” #editorchat #editorchat -9:41 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @Willowbottom Same. That’s why I don’t make as much as I could. I obsess over sourcing. #editorchat -9:40 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @Willowbottom i agonize too, and take my responsibility as a reporter very seriously #editorchat -9:40 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Willowbottom @LATimesNystrom So Web is an interative process, print is polished content? #editorchat -9:40 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Willowbottom @LydiaBreakfast Speaking for myself only, tho I agonize over every word I write, info glut makes me more superficial w/other stf #editorchat -9:39 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jkwill10 @LATimesNystrom we did the longer-on-web thing until we editors just had too much to edit #editorchat -9:39 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @LATimesNystrom That really encapsulates the beauty of the Web. I love writing for the medium. Print is great but Web is dynamic #editorchat -9:39 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LATimesNystrom Re speed, we post early edits of time-sensitive stories, then follow up with multiple write-thrus that lead to a final version. #editorchat -9:39 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Willowbottom @LydiaBreakfast This assumes the consumers sit around and read more than the title and first paragraph. #editorchat -9:38 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool RT @LATimesNystrom Many @LATimes stories run longer on web than in print, so we satisfy both editors and writers. #editorchat -9:38 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @jenleo that would be the best case scenario but with staff cuts, how does it happen? #editorchat -9:38 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @louseeyb Welcome. We’re glad you made time. #editorchat -9:37 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jenleo @latimesnystrom why can’t we deliver all three? #editorchat -9:37 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LATimesNystrom Many @LATimes stories run longer on web than in print, so we satisfy both editors who prefer tight and writers who prefer long. #editorchat -9:37 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jkwill10 @Willowbottom If you consider supply and demand, I guess it would #editorchat -9:37 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @Willowbottom consumers are educated by what we feed them #editorchat -9:37 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard Oh yes, there is more content. Not sure how much readers want anymore. & yes, it’s terrifying how much goes up w/o editing. #editorchat -9:36 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @LATimesNystrom We asked about speed earlier and most seem to agree that speed is essential. How do you address the tension? #editorchat -9:36 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Willowbottom Random thought – does publishing more content faster, reduce the value consumers place on content? Does it create a spiral? #editorchat -9:36 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @jkwill10 Web speed is tough. Most days, I’m writing three to four articles for the site. #editorchat -9:35 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LATimesNystrom There’s tension between more web content, traffic and maintaining standards upheld by our print tradition. Our readers want more #editorchat -9:35 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @mguerard do you find that the print stories subsequently differ (contain more info) than the initial web stories? #editorchat -9:35 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast In case you missed the next Q Editors, are you under pressure to publish more content faster? Articles, books, etc.? #editorchat -9:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jkwill10 It is calming when I take a breath and edit instead of forcing Web-speed on our breaking news #editorchat -9:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @LATimesNystrom Hey Andrew. Glad you could join. Let’s put the Q to you: Is the Times under pressure to publish more? #editorchat -9:33 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Willow, it will do a very good number. Dummies is different than the books the trades will do on it. Dummies is how-to #editorchat -9:32 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @LATimesNystrom Welcome to you! #editorchat -9:32 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller We actually post our own stories at times on SwimNetwork, so I learned Viper Content Management. But lack of editing frightens m #editorchat -9:32 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard In newspapers, the pressure is to push it to the Web. #editorchat -9:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LATimesNystrom Pls welcome @LATimes “On the Media” columnist @latrainey to Twitter. Here’s his recent story about @spotus: http://tr.im/fuX9 #editorchat -9:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast RT @milehighfool Conversely: Editors, are you under pressure to publish more content faster? Articles, books, etc.? #editorchat -9:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Willowbottom @LydiaBreakfast So true – is Twitter for Dummies a timely book? Hmmm… #editorchat -9:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller But Lydia, the success stories for self pub (more than 1,000 copies) are about 1 in 150,000 titles #editorchat -9:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool Conversely: Editors, are you under pressure to publish more content faster? Articles, books, etc.? #editorchat -9:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller I’m doing a dissertation, have five books coming out, and write several pieces weekly for SwimNetwork.4Me no more crashes likely #editorchat -9:31 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps RT @Willowbottom I’m holding out for “Twitter for Dummies.” http://tinyurl.com/d7yaar #editorchat -9:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @Willowbottom By the time it comes out, Twitter may be obsolete, no? #editorchat -9:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Phelps book came out two months and three days after closing ceremonies — that’s in store #editorchat -9:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool Back to the big idea: Does Twittertime mean you pack more into less time, at the behest of an editor? #editorchat -9:30 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jesshatchigan @bobschaller, what time frames have you worked within doing crash books? #editorchat -9:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec @BobSchaller thanx, just curious. (work w/ co that does tween fiction books 240 pages) #editorchat -9:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Twitter for Dummies is out soon #editorchat -9:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @Willowbottom That’d be one to have. πŸ™‚ #editorchat -9:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @BobSchaller self-pub brings even more flexibility and ability to print quickly #editorchat -9:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Smaller publishers can do it faster, but don’t get the buy-ins from the distributers, and none are at big-box (WalMart-Costco) #editorchat -9:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Willowbottom I’m holding out for “Twitter for Dummies.” http://tinyurl.com/d7yaar #editorchat -9:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps It seems like I’ve seen a book mentioned about Twitter that’s already out, but I can’t remember by whom or the name of the book. #editorchat -9:29 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @Bobbiec a year to 18 months was average at RH #editorchat -9:28 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller I don’t have a context for that, Bobby. When I write for trades, it’s usually a year, except with a crash book. #editorchat -9:28 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly @Willowbottom The economic crisis is still unfolding, I’m sorry to have to say. #editorchat -9:28 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast And it seems like it is taking forever, yet he only mentioned it last month #editorchat -9:28 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Lydia, there are 17 trade books coming out on Twitter, and 11 self-pubbed — that I know of #editorchat -9:28 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Bobbiec @BobSchaller what do you consider regular production schedule; 4 our team — a year, with 4 books in process at a time #editorchat -9:28 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Press was pack-chasing blond white girls in Aruba and missing white babies in (wherever that one girl is from) #editorchat -9:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @Willowbottom Not in a book. No chance. If Tim Geithner can’t tell us what he’s going to do, then would the book be about? #editorchat -9:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Do you know @shelisrael? He’s writing a book about Twitter #editorchat -9:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard I think there was some excellent perspective even early on with the $ crisis. #editorchat -9:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Irony is Willow, those stories, even on Madoff, were out years ago. No one in mainstream media paid attention #editorchat -9:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @Willowbottom I think if someone is paying attention to trends they can turn out a quality book in what seems like a hurry #editorchat -9:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @Willowbottom Personally, I doubt it. People are still mired eye-deep in it and there’s still a lot of fear & panic. #editorchat -9:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer @bobschaller Good tidbit about how-to books. I’ll remember that. #editorchat -9:27 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Willowbottom @jennipps I wonder how much depends on the author. Has enough time elapsed to, say, shed perspective on $$ crisis, for example? #editorchat -9:26 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Most of the how-to books, even the thin ones, are on regular production guideliness but sell at a premium rate and do great #s #editorchat -9:26 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @BenLaMothe I think it’s blurred beyinf recognition, Ben πŸ™‚ #editorchat -9:25 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @hotspringer Interesting comparison. I hadn’t heard that one before. #editorchat -9:25 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BenLaMothe @milehighfool I still think there’s a difference between news and news analysis. But the line has become blurred. #editorchat -9:25 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer Airport thin-how-to-books are equivalent to e-books for people with no laptop or not enough battery life to read one. #editorchat -9:24 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @Willowbottom (sent too soon) It largely depends on the writer and how well they do under deadline/pressure. #editorchat -9:24 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @kenwheaton but for those of us who do, it seems that time is speeded up #editorchat -9:24 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @kenwheaton And your editors? Do they expect you to work on Twittertime? #editorchat -9:24 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @Willowbottom Sometimes it can, but not always. #editorchat -9:23 PM Feb 11th, 2009

kenwheaton #editorchat overwhelming majority of readers dont know twitter much less twittertime -9:23 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool Airport book shops seem to flaunting thin how-to books. I’m assuming these are of the “instant” variety. #editorchat -9:23 PM Feb 11th, 2009

Willowbottom @LydiaBreakfast Sincere Q: should “timely topics” even be published as books? Does timeliness compromise quality? #editorchat #editorchat -9:22 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard meaningful. You saw this man who was, by that point, quite vulnerable and reflective. #editorchat -9:22 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps As of right now, I don’t have an agent, but hopefully that will change soon. #editorchat -9:22 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard The thing about that Hudson pilot is that even with two to three weeks’ perspective, his interview on 60 Mins. was much more #editorchat -9:22 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @LydiaBreakfast I have to agree with that. WHen I think of a crash book, I think little-to-no contact/research before contract #editorchat -9:22 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jesshatchigan @LydiaBreakfast timely topics are very important to my agent. #editorchat -9:21 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller pushing,” so I took that 13,000 words, told my agent, and sold the next day to St. Martin’s. Anyway I’ll listen for a bit πŸ™‚ #editorchat -9:21 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool RT @LydiaBreakfast Considering the speed of Twitter, is there such thing as Twittertime? #editorchat -9:21 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @BobSchaller exactly, which makes it not-so-instant #editorchat -9:21 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller When his agent picked someone else for his own book, I said fine (they had gotten me Rulon Gardner’s Book deal for NEver stop pu #editorchat -9:21 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Absolutely I had interviewed him 20 times, and his teammates. But I didn’t think about writing it until the night he won 8 #editorchat -9:20 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller porch piller, breaking his hand. It was a fair picture of him, not a hack job, and not a put-on-pedestal thing #editorchat -9:20 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @BobSchaller but you had done legwork before? #editorchat -9:20 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller And yet my book had the never reported story about how seven months after pleading out a DUI, he got drunk and punched a #editorchat -9:19 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Considering the speed of Twitter, is there such thing as Twittertime? Making everything else seem too slow? #editorchat -9:19 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @BobSchaller Agreed, but are you speaking as a reader or writer? As a writer, I rarely parrot the analyst. Context matters. #editorchat -9:19 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller I was asked about crashing a book on the Hudson Landing. I had crashed a Phelps book two weeks after Olympics #editorchat -9:19 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @BobSchaller On station — maybe 2 — in OKC has a “rants” section & tries to keep news as just that during the rest. #editorchat -9:19 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Q2 Book authors, how important are timely topics to your agents/publishers? How fast can you knock out a book? #editorchat -9:18 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller It’s almost all opinions and rants, MileHigh. I’d rather get some good facts and come to my own truths, not parrot an analyst #editorchat -9:18 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @milehighfool agreed, with so much info, it helps to have a guide to interpret it all #editorchat -9:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @milehighfool I think that’s an accurate assessment. #editorchat -9:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Something has to give with a demassification of mass media, in other words. Breaks my heart it is the daily paper #editorchat -9:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 @BobSchaller You hit that right on the head. #editorchat -9:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @BenLaMothe Interesting point. My own view of this is that news has become news analysis. I think that’s good. Opinions? #editorchat -9:17 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller I’m not sure, MileHigh. It’s such a personal taste. We’re having to take a micro approach with mass media, don’t know if possibl #editorchat -9:16 PM Feb 11th, 2009

chuckhemann @jennipps @LydiaBreakfast rightly or wrongly I’ve come to expect it from wire services on earnings rpts #editorchat -9:16 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jesshatchigan @milehighfool Newsweek will hopefully find its audience w that approach. Other audiences may wish to sacrifice perspective. #editorchat -9:16 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller “crash” books like that are a nightmare, Lydia. But they are cash cows at times #editorchat -9:16 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @BobSchaller That seems to argue more for accuracy than speed, yes? #editorchat -9:16 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller of what they read or see, not “believe” — OOPS. Real-time reporting error #editorchat -9:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @mguerard as a Random House vet, I know they can turn books out on a dime, hence “instant books” but often had research going #editorchat -9:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BenLaMothe @milehighfool Newsweek is trying to run in on The Economist’s territory. Notice how TE has no bylines? Wonder if NW will do same #editorchat -9:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Selective exposure, with US vs. Them “news” outlets, conditions and feeds that #editorchat -9:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

janeco print can never compete with the speed of online but in print that online story can be more fully developed #editorchat -9:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Hmm. Data on audience trust of the media would suggest readers don’t believe a whole heck of a lot of what they believe #editorchat -9:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

IrisJumbe I’ve read @milehighfool‘s edchat rules. wonder if any1 is allowed to throw in a ‘?’ when they have one even if not on topic? #editorchat -9:15 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jesshatchigan I agree w @jkwill10 – partial is okay. Incorrect is another matter. #editorchat -9:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool RT @jkwill10 there is a huge dif between partial and incorrect — Exactly #editorchat -9:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @jkwill10 Agreed. With partial, you expect updates, which is OK, but not necessarily corrections. #editorchat -9:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @jkwill10 agreed, but again, isn’t it a matter of “educating” your audience on what to expect? #editorchat -9:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard I would bet that nonfiction writers, the ones who sum up some major event in the instant book, do feel the same fast is good. #editorchat -9:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer RT @jkwill10 there is a huge dif between partial and incorrect #editorchat -9:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @LydiaBreakfast But not all the time. #editorchat -9:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jkwill10 there is a huge dif between partial and incorrect #editorchat -9:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @LydiaBreakfast I agree. Yet I still hope it doesn’t happen enough to condition people to expect mistakes. Every now & then, OK. #editorchat -9:14 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool And what about Newsweek’s model? Less speed, fewer pages, higher prices, more perspective. Doable if speed is what sells? #editorchat -9:13 PM Feb 11th, 2009

tommycummings @LydiaBreakfast Not with news releases. On leaks, you add the context. Breaking news … it’s wide open … right now #editorchat -9:13 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @milehighfool I can’t speak on that personally, but from friends/acquaintances, sometimes they do. #editorchat -9:13 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller I’m speaking as a journalist, though I do write for New Media. The books are a different game. I like the closure of real print #editorchat -9:13 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @jennipps But if a story runs with partial or possibly incorrect info, then we are conditioning the audience to expect that #editorchat -9:13 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @LydiaBreakfast But to expect mistakes? I hope not. #editorchat -9:12 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @LydiaBreakfast I think it’s OK for readers to expect updates. I often wonder what’s the rest of the story after the piece runs. #editorchat -9:12 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @BobSchaller Is this true of all mediums? I wonder if book authors and agents feel similarly. #editorchat -9:12 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @tommycummings how about with press releases or leaks? #editorchat -9:12 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard Readers expected updates anyway. #editorchat -9:11 PM Feb 11th, 2009

netta50 *Waving* I’m Netta, a wordaholic. Freelance writer, editor, and fledgling goddess. Nice to meet you. #editorchat -9:11 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @JDEbberly Exactly! #editorchat -9:11 PM Feb 11th, 2009

tommycummings In the context of tweeting, it’s understood that it’s unedited/unfiltered. #editorchat -9:11 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast so are we conditioning readers to expect updates/corrections? #editorchat -9:11 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller And by the time a story would be fully chased down, someone’s had eight babies or a dog with a cool name has won a show #editorchat -9:11 PM Feb 11th, 2009

janeco @jennipps absolutely #editorchat -9:11 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @LydiaBreakfast I don’t think so. #editorchat -9:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly @jennipps Speed is important, but it needs to be balanced with accuracy. #editorchat -9:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller Just by definition speed trumps accuracy a lot of the time. Verification, editing, asking questions, all takes time. #editorchat -9:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @janeco In that case, there should be a commitment to follow up & have it stated, too. Haven’t see either in the local paper. #editorchat -9:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

tommycummings Unless the tweets endanger public safety, you go with them on first run despite their accuracy. #editorchat -9:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

janeco It’s never ok to get facts wrong..u lose that u lose ur credibility #editorchat -9:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Specifically regarding the NYT story on Caroline Kennedy’s run for legis. #editorchat -9:10 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @JDEbberly An asset, yes. But how do you get fast? Fire the fact checker? #editorchat -9:09 PM Feb 11th, 2009

janeco Speed doesnt have to trump accuracy but u probably won’t have a fully developed story #editorchat -9:09 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast Are we saying that it is ok to get some facts wrong, to make sure we get the scoop? #editorchat -9:09 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller I miss the good read, in other words. I do love the news cycle and finding things out. But it’s hard to explicate in real time #editorchat -9:09 PM Feb 11th, 2009

tommycummings @LydiaBreakfast It’s a component. At times, it should be the starting point. I believe the mainstream media is embracing it #editorchat -9:09 PM Feb 11th, 2009

janeco With speed u might not be able to have a fully developed story but can return to it with updates #editorchat -9:08 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @LydiaBreakfast Did during the Mumbai tragedy. Twitter *was* the news channel for a time. #editorchat -9:08 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps @JDEbberly But why does speed seem to trump accuracy? #editorchat -9:08 PM Feb 11th, 2009

hotspringer Quoting @woodenhorsepub earlier today, re:Q1 “We may not be first to get out the word, but we won’t say until we verify.” #editorchat -9:08 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller And I mean well-written stories as in the past. I get the real-time newscycle. I want context, breadth, sources, etc #editorchat -9:08 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @IrisJumbe Hi Iris, welcome! #editorchat -9:08 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly Q1: Speed is definitely an asset. #editorchat -9:08 PM Feb 11th, 2009

IrisJumbe Hi Everyone! Iris Jumbe: Copywriter, editor and accomplished neurotic #editorchat -9:07 PM Feb 11th, 2009

BobSchaller I don’t see a lot of good stories. It’s hit and miss with random events. A few “facts” (that often change). Updates, sure #editorchat -9:07 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard I live in a smaller city. We’re the daily. We don’t tweet (yet). But watching what others do in this market is just fun. #editorchat -9:07 PM Feb 11th, 2009

LydiaBreakfast @tommycummings right but how do they factor in as real breaking news, esp. after the plane crash in NYC #editorchat -9:07 PM Feb 11th, 2009

janeco It’s an even more competitive environment now so, yes, speed trumps #editorchat -9:07 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jennipps I’ve seen incomplete stories in the local paper because they *had* to get the story out NOW. I understand that to an extent…. #editorchat -9:06 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @mguerard Why fun? isn’t it difficult to win the speed game with so much competition? #editorchat -9:06 PM Feb 11th, 2009

tommycummings I believe you treat tweets as a conversation during a live event. They build into the developing and final story. #editorchat -9:05 PM Feb 11th, 2009

JDEbberly Hello everyone! J. D. Ebberly – Feature writer for the blogging & socmed spaces from north VA, joining in. #editorchat -9:05 PM Feb 11th, 2009

jkwill10 Hello, Jeff Williams, city editor Wisconsin Rapids Daily Tribune for two more days then Knight Found project leader #editorchat -9:05 PM Feb 11th, 2009

mguerard I do value speed more now. It’s so much more fun. #editorchat -9:05 PM Feb 11th, 2009

milehighfool @mguerard By all means, Marsha. I’m just not that nimble πŸ™‚ #editorchat -9:05 PM Feb 11th, 2009

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